 Battlefront 2 and squadrons yeah squadrons was the one that they made but like feels weird man You you killed the visceral and then you're like, oh, let's do actually low dead space is we're gonna keep it going We're gonna do it again. Yeah It's it's I don't know that like it's just I don't know either. I love Lead no probably it's it's gonna be Jason eyes Lewis and Clark I'm okay with Jason eyes. Let's try to be eyes a clock. I guess Yeah, I'm just I'm still thinking about that show like, you know, it's a cool show Gone too soon No It's good. I'd like to see it. It's it's really fun. It's got a really cool premise. I almost feel You well Metal and rags and free note the premises and join me whenever I'm just like I almost don't want to tell you what the premise I'll check it out Well, you know It's no rush It's almost sad too because it's only one season then again, then I got canceled That happened a counterpart Which is a good premise that I wouldn't want to spoil for you and then it was gone after two seasons JK Simmons It was fucking brilliant and I heard you talking about it. I can't remember which video it was so stream, but yeah I'm gonna check out. I'm putting in my notes. I am desperate to see something good Well, I mean, but you just got he-man, isn't that Empowering to watch that Well, I was gonna say the judging from the Ron tomatoes people are loving it credits, I mean, I love it. Oh, yeah Anything is upset me more than this he-man reboot out of like though. No, there's one thing Nothing has to set me more since Loki Well, does it upset you to know that you're out of touch with the professional sort of film reviewer people that you don't understand? Well, but they're they're approved though, so that must count for something. Yeah, a thwart of sources I think you can press another button so I should go to the top Unless it you know the top they're all approved. Yeah, but then some were top critics and some weren't top critics Well, I don't know. It sounds like you're a little bit bigoted in the this he-man thing. It sounds pretty neat a little I just I just hate women. That's all. Yeah You're gonna say something about hey, man No All right, because we always Yeah, yeah, we didn't want you that you're eight you're you're hate to go unspoken All I was gonna say was you were saying that it was the he-man show and I was just wanting to correct you on that because it's not Similarly we will be discussing the Loki show At least Loki is about he-man, right? Yes, the fucking call her Sylvie she's female Loki fuck that Sylvie shit Loki is the is a pretty clever they stole a character. They stole a name from another Marvel character Sylvie in the comics. Yep. Yeah, whereas female Loki is just lady Loki. That's lady Loki with lady Loki It who is from what I understand is like basically Loki reincarnated as like sif or something like that I thought he overtook lady sif for a little bit there. Yeah, so that's like that's that and then Sylvie is a totally different person So they merged them well, um, I Mean, there's no reason not to get started straight away Because because we were just talking about he-man chat It's a Excellent new show he-man goes on adventures You'll love it goes on adventures. He goes to fight Skeletor Loving relationship with Yes, definitely not pissed everybody I can't even do it. No, no, the sarcasm too much. It's garbage guys. It's one of the worst things I've ever seen. I hate it Oh, I Think it represents a triumph for the human spirit. Yeah Um, I guess I'm not angry. I started rewatching Rick and Morty. That's fun Well, as long as you weren't watching the more recent episodes, I started with season one Oh, we haven't talked about because we we watched that post the last effect. Yeah chat The subsequent episode of Rick and Morty was also not very good Um, it's funny. I saw someone post a comment that got a couple of posts being like how how long do you think before? They'll try and revise history that they never said it was a great show. I was like We we stand by it. It's a great show up to episode three of season five. Yeah, which is yeah That was exactly what was When we weren't wrong the following three episodes with disastrous Yeah, I mean, you know us if you want us to do a full breakdown of all of us Not like we wouldn't be able to We just did we did it in a call without This particular commenter has managed to revise in silence because they don't talk about this stuff like all the time publicly Hey creators are never allowed to have bad takes but the viewers they can have as many as they want Which is funny because we our take was absolutely correct Episodes which came out afterwards were bad, but the ones before that point were excellent Yeah, I'm sure we threw like some kind of boat of like I hope you know I hope they are as good as we've said they are going forward and then we were like Well, yeah, because in terms of close episodes guys or it is like a it's a steep draw the semen episode Semabyte episode and the Yeah, but they ruined coming They ruined come can you believe it? Yeah, absolutely dead. Yeah Yeah, I don't know. It's probably didn't use fresh condor. I'll call it right now Yeah, what do you say right here to get it from the tap, right from the tap? Nothing ages worse than semen Unless that's Lee use that it ages into a refrigerator and then it refrigerated and then it lost forever To freeze it or Yeah, so they didn't do any of those jokes in the Rick and Morty episode Yeah, it was really lame and then the one after that pain that makes me happy lame then pain Being happy is pain and that's pleasure. It's like this is You just don't get them and the best part is that like we've reached a point where Rick and Morty has legitimate plot holes and plot contrivances like they probably Contrivances But like it's harder to not this extent. I don't I don't think they've been that bad. Yeah like where Where Jerry is hanging out with the pain demons who are laughing at this cringe he Publicly met he makes it clear he's going to the bathroom and while he's in the bathroom to pain demons follow him in and start talking About how much of a piece of shit It's even though he's in the toilet Like they know he's in there. Yeah, and they know that it won't work if he finds out like a little full apart Yeah, but they do it anyway. That's that's what we call a good old-fashioned plot hole Money doesn't typically have it's not just that it's just like really really really lazy like and I'm just like Yeah, come on. You don't want to whip the writers and be like work harder. This is unacceptable It's a letter. It's such a trope. Isn't it of like the character over here as people talking about how they suck Yeah, you just want to find the worst way put in the bare minimum effort of Creating a scenario where that was possible instead of they walk right up to the person speaker. They go. Oh, no I Have made a mistake So, yeah, you know, well the welcome to you fat one four six, right? That is the one we're on. Yeah We're getting awful close to 150 by the way, which is the three-year anniversary of which all people in this cast You are invited to come hang out with us for the 24-hour streamer at any particular Section you want? Yeah, even me three years of e fappin Everyone's still going along quite healthy because yeah, you're supposed to do that Those couple of those shows and I'm probably gonna be dead in two years, but yeah Well, I think I don't know sitting in the chair like really at the mouth Loki season five Yes, speaking of we've clearly had a huge impact on improving media because we've just you know lately man It's just been fantastic So joining us returning I say returning is funny mr. Mr. Shadavist you've been doing all kinds of stuff with us With some other things that people don't won't see for like 10 years from now, but still The like where is mr. Shaz like here is you talk about some he-man Loki whatever else. How you doing? How was everything down under I'm going great I'm also very tired because I've been up for ages, but anyway, don't expect too much intelligent conversation for me I'll don't try ball. I'll just make you angry. He man was really good. Yes Just just so the chat knows he man was like my childhood hero growing up, okay Like I can still watch the original he-man animation transformation sequence and get goose bumps I love it so much and this new he-man show Is so bad. I can't express how much I hate it It was kind of a funny thing of whenever there's a new property getting butchered It's never like not everybody has seen that one usually there's always some but like with he-man a lot of us Haven't like we're not like passionately involved in like the original show But there's always gonna be at least someone and it's shab this time apparently I won't actually defend I won't defend the original cartoon for being good I re-watched a couple of the original episodes out in our years. Okay, and look it's very much a kids show Okay, but as a kid I loved it and the elements that made it appealing for you know young boys You know he-man is the central character. Okay, and that's the core thing that they've ripped out in this piece of crap Garbage Reaper where it's the teeler show and and he-man is just They've desecrated, but they kill him So now it's bad to disrespect old fan favorite characters. What else you can generate as your crazy rules? Oh Well, there's other other elements about just making appealing characters and all the characters and teeler is the worst She is an absolute cow I Think I've never heard the word cow that many times in one day It's a team of enduro I would use a stronger word if I if I use more powerful language How's it just you know if they just hang out and eat grass and produce milk If you said oh you're my shit Yeah It's a cultural thing They leave people that aren't harm anybody they're just sitting out there in the field minding their own business I feel like we need a more apt. Well, it's like what people say, you know, you you're a pig like damn Yeah, that's another one is like Pretty pigs are really intelligent animals. They are they're very friendly. They're sociable They frolic around in the mud, you know Okay, if you frolic around the mug, I guess people are gonna be able to call you a pig. Yes Yeah, you start deal with that right like if you're literally frolicking in the mud On a phone call, then I guess that makes you a pig Which you know what maybe you'd be like, you know, yeah fine call me a pig. I like I'm on a dog It's like wow. Thanks for the compliments Yeah Loyal exactly rags gets it well happy Do you guys know it's a film called pig starring Nicholas Cage? Yeah, I haven't really made this video on it. They said it was good as far as I know so Yeah, I guess I'll just trade over to the other side of this panel Heel versus baby face mr. As how you doing welcome? Hi. Hi. I'm good. Thank you. How are you? Oh, you know, you know, I was talking to you yesterday about You know Media a peak Everyone is celebrating it all. It's wonderful. And yeah, it's great to bounce from absolute shit show to absolute shit show at the moment Yeah, well, yeah, well, it's not a respite at all. I think we never actually slayed Loki yet Even though it's been finished for a while ago week and a half. It's like it's time. It's time to go back It's finished after the first episode I think well, see that's the funny thing. I think episode six killed it for Sitch and he's like the only person I know who who was holding out for it to work out That's so episode one pissed all of us off so much that we were just already like well, this is ruined Yeah Gary from did Ross. Hey doing welcome Thanks for having me it's been so long. It has been so long man I haven't talked to you about Loki all the MSU and fucking like years Or a couple hours. Yeah, but We didn't get to talk enough about Loki last night, so I'm ready to go. Oh, yeah It's always this thing. This is our time now. It's ready to just read it I think everybody's just rare into the second I say so Kang Yeah A metal commander, how you doing? How you doing? You look you look upset. I don't know what's going on Is it is it low? I know just just crying as always The floodings are going away, so I have to do some more water now again Do some water? Yeah, do some more water in the German lands. You got a water the Germany. Yeah, what are the German jabs? No, this is all good. I've been chilling today had friend was over yesterday had a lot of drinks So I've just been doing nothing all day watch some Rick and Morty And how I can't wait to look at something awful again and ruin my day. So yeah, I'm ready Yeah, you tell me when you first watched the show you absolutely adored it was only why do you always say that? Do you know is it just what turned me watching four episodes in a row on one day in one day that was Many doctor's experience tell you not to do that. That's very risk I'm actually disappointed that you would encourage others to do that four episodes in one day I did not do that you're being a lie Well, just by doing it alone encourages others to think it's possible Mel. They don't know it is possible Well, I want to encourage it look at you Mel Look at you It's a dangerous prospect okay Don't do it And then it always it always feels weird when I get down to down to a freeing in rice like hey guys say do Seven you pretend like we don't talk every day fuck you wait, which one? I'm Frank Lynn. Also. We do talk every day, but that's not necessarily online the people in chat Don't know that we're friends. They think we hate each other. Oh, so I'm sorry cafe fuck Like you thought Loki was great fuck you my long man, but okay, I fixed it. Yeah Also, mr. Drinker may just pop in at any moment. Be afraid. You're very Oh my god, it'd be right now. It'd be 10,000. I heard he loves I heard he loves he man So get out all your hate while you can yes You also love low make sure I have to yeah, yeah get it get it out of your system make sure it's all Exercise all of those negative thoughts from your body get that Negative energy out of you. I hate thoughts balanced or your chakras. Oh Do that yeah Yeah Yeah, you got it. Yeah, I'm literally all ready to go So I just like I wasn't lying when I said I'm pretty much gonna kick off the conversation with how Loki begins But actually begins which begins the whole universe of the MCU and this is the thing I'm gonna try to count people in a pack old school Oh, yeah, there's people in chat who wouldn't have watched the show who may have heard some of our talking about it And they're just like I'm not you know, I like the MCU, but I don't think I'm gonna watch the show See this one if you miss this one, you're gonna miss a lot of How everything that yeah that like actually though like this is more a law show in many ways Like it destroys characters show but like at the same time. It's basically just rewritten how the MCU was even perceived So before everything you saw in the MCU even as far back as good old cap Well, I say as far but it's funny because I'm about to jump to the real first Avenger It's a bar back is the past and everything in the future until the end of time. Yeah Was predate well was termined by post Just doing his day-to-day he's a scientism he discovered the multiverse in the was it did they say the year Yes, yeah, and so that's pretty cool, right discovering the multiverse and then he starts to epic and meeting himself From other universes because he cracks the travel between them to and um again, I'm pretty sure this isn't Yeah, I think it was drinkers stream with Gary who sort of mentioning how like Man, you know when you have to you give allowances to sci-fi where someone's like we cracked time travel Okay, but we cracked teleporting you're like, oh, yeah cool, too. We cracked bringing back dinosaurs We cracked cloning we cracked, you know, just just all these kinds of amazing just like damn You just keep doing it over and over again Yeah, so he he travels between the multiverse he talks to all of his Themselves and then they they fight unfortunately they get into a big brawl with their sticks, which I thought was a little bit embarrassing Yeah, they're little light sticks. They all have all the all the all the multiverses use the same stick like weapon to Teleport people I guess they all have whatever and for people who are like I just I'm trying to account for those who have no idea they're like sticks You know so the little what they do is they have a little stick and there's orange light on the end of it And if you hit that orange light it vaporize you as we call it it melts you because it's funnier And sends you to the end of time Obviously Where you get there is already like a smoke poodle I Sorry to correct you. It's a purple fart monster. Yeah, it looked like a poodle at one point though That if you get the right picture, it looks like a giant Okay, Gary, I'll give you a purple fart poodle. Gotcha. There you go. I like that. That's good purple purple fart poodle done So with all the things that more was already covered is actually quite a lot to break down because One of my passions in storytelling is world-building because world-building can be I know right and I love it because I am a nerd and One of the great sources for plot is can come be derived from the world-building because is where you can get conflict from and So it could be that there is a dark lord who gains his power From sorry a ring is connected to his soul essence and if the ring is, you know, not destroyed He will survive and so therefore you have to destroy the ring And so we have a whole plot that's actually derived out of the world-building of this wonderful You know fantasy world and stuff and so when you can do it right where you lock down the rules specifics Okay, ring can't destroy it except Mount Doom how to destroy it get it to Mount Doom Those are the rules. We need to try and satisfy that to destroy the ring You're gonna start up because it kind of would have been really Unsatisfying when I don't know Frodo Aragon. There's like they're trying to cross the river or something. Oh, no, don't know No, you make that mistake. Don't say Aragon Ergon They break the rule and they just destroy the ring when Gimli says, you know I think I didn't hit it hard enough with my ax last time. Let me try again Destroy dark lord. It'll be really unsatisfying. They're breaking their freaking rule. And so to you. I hit it with And so the world-building if you're gonna be deriving your plot from the world-building is really important that you set up your rules and you be very consistent with them and Loki is such a dumpster Where the because most of the conflict comes from the world-building and I've already touched on it here because when Kang comes across other Kang's there is a war. In fact, they call it a multiversal war And and the entire plot the existence of the TVA everything that comes in the story is derived from trying of Kang trying to avoid this multiversal war and so I would say it's pretty important to try and make that multiversal war make logical sense We deserve a bit more information on this thing since it's the foundation of the entire universe Because like the first question I think we had was like How did I'm trying to picture a multiversal war like what so did people jump through the telepores and just start attacking the universe? With a sword so they can have an extra an extra universe because the one universe they had wasn't it You know that well this kind of cheapens the term infinity war doesn't it? Yeah, I'm trying to wonder why they need to go to war. I mean a whole universe invading a whole another universe I mean the writers understand how big a universe is and like how many friggin Is in a galaxy little older universe? I'm not saying that couldn't be a motivation for it I just want to know what it was of what happened. Yeah, I just it's just inevitable the multiverse Just all the fucking timelines to fight each other and I'm just and you're going Why why? Why there's also no way they all fight each other. It's gonna be so I want to know logistically. Yeah logistically. How does this happen? How does it work? super crazy team ups with Different universes multiverses, but there's like no they all fought each other. They all said all the same weapons To invade other timelines Yeah, like is I mean, that's the question like and what would they want? I mean Do they want to find another version of a loved one that they lost like kingpin in into the spider-verse or something like that? You know, there are things you could find but short of like Things that you cannot get out of any other way apart from going to an entire another reality I'm playing it'd be like you it would be a lot easier to just I don't know if you want resources Well, a lot of the planets in the universe are barren and you could find the resources of barren planets and because the technology that they have Just going also going back on the thing I was saying before more that they developed this technology because it is got three Instantly powerful sci-fi abilities and one is time travel, which is just insane already. Yeah next is Unlimited Universe spanning teleportation you can open up a portal to anywhere in the universe. Oh, that is by unlimited Because obviously it runs on a battery. Just just just letting you know We have no idea what actually these things apparently like they should each be running off of their own mini star or white Warform black hole or something to produce the energy to create portals that could but I say unlimited They seem to be unlimited by distance. You can portal yeah across any length in the universe and suddenly you're there instantly which is Unbelievably powerful and then the cherry on top they can travel between Parallel realities and that is like an insanely big one because you can sometimes understand thematically time traveler care But parallel realities and even just doctor who for instance like yeah Traveling through time. It's easy traveling to parallel realities. That's almost impossible Really really difficult and so even doctor who which has like unlimited time travel and teleporting interest They're like alright We'll even draw the line here with parallel realities in this one They just go all out and they can do anything unlimited and it's like these little you know iPad things that they can do It's a simple charge and done So part of a concern a lot of people had with doctor strange and they still haven't answered this in the MCU It's just like what stops him from opening a portal in someone's chest and just killing them instantly Glory yelling and and yeah, and that's the thing at least it's doctor strange It's like it's that character But now you've introduced a tool that gives that power to literally everyone and if Loki just happens to bring That with him whenever he gets back into the MCU which by the way supposed to be in love and thunder Like so Okay, one of the things we've noticed before with the MCU and lots of stuff is when they introduce an item for utility They almost never consider its weaponization Yeah, which is funny considering how many things that we use something that was weapons Yeah, humans do this all the time Why doesn't Loki just go into the main office and get a hundred thousand infinity stones, which are all there Yeah, you grab that why not honestly white and it's funny universe where conflict is such a fundamental part of like You know, I mean, it's a story conflict is like the central element of storytelling Why are you not thinking about ways that these things can be applied in conflicts? And then you have their actual baton weapons where I think they're stupid that they're not rifle format and stuff But man, I said this to Rags like imagine, you know at the end of one of the movies You see Galactus is coming. He's like, oh god We have to form the avengers bubble and then look he's like I have a stick hang on Like I consume Me to the end of time planet where cloud monsters going to devour me The lack of no Galactus could then find his cloud version of himself from the other fantastic for movie Who didn't clouds better it's all the Galactus variants my brothers we must unite I Believe you're getting it wrong. I believe the correct term is purple fart poodle. Just yes. Thank you Continuity just try it's hard Because of we had a cloud monster in lost remember and it's just hard. Oh, yes It's a purple fart poodle for forever. No, I respect it's its choice of You know, it's yeah lost is like a Hershey squirt cloud Purple poot puddle. What? Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god Yeah, so so the multiverse all happens and I guess we're just gonna have to this is what happens, right? We're gonna we're gonna talk about the thing being stupid and then we try to go fine So that is something that happened fine, and we move on to the next thing. So yeah You want to see what the extrapolations or possibilities would be but they're like this this is just it okay Just accept it and it's a sign of such low tier like really amateurish world-building and I mean that seriously and It's just a sign of Sad writing right off the bat where they just have they just oh you can do this this that that when they don't think of their Significant implications of it in any measure and if you want to just think about it even briefly, right? You realize oh the entire premise this show makes no sense. How can I be invested in the hour? The show's ruined basically if you yeah, yeah, so and one of the writers is from Rick and Morty And and the other writer has no experience at all. Oh good. She's well She's a political podcaster Well, I mean the awkward part is that when you you look at a lot of upcoming stuff is Rick and Morty writers Or former Rick and Morty writers she Hulk has been written by the pickle Rick writer Maybe that's something and That's Yeah, it's just not it does seem to be a pattern right now. There's not enough experience for the people that choosing it does because when you look at the the sort of um The the filmography or like the of the current writers. It's small. It's really small Yeah, it's like a couple episodes of TV show and then hey Here's should head writer for a fucking 200 million dollar like Marvel TV show like I don't get it bizarre It really is and what's very, you know Unsatisfying for me is like to to try and write a decent novel. It takes a lot of work and practice in effort To be able to write anything that's half decent and I know from personal experience And you see these people who are writing for multi-million dollar properties and it's like what practice? Well, what do they even try and study this at all and there's there's proof or ever So I say I'll say evidence of the writers just basically spinning things out saying hey We should do this wouldn't this be cool the evidences are alligator Loki They didn't think of what could justify it the ramifications the implications They say hey, well wouldn't it be great if we make it one of the Loki variants and alligator Yeah, won't that be cool? And it's like that's been their approach for world building Let's just do something because it's cool and they're not trying to Justify it they're not trying to think of the implications how it could affect the largest story of the MCU anything like we'll just do what we think is cool and They have ruined I Get the point you make in here, but alligator Loki is like the best well Richard E grant Loki is like number one then Alligator The thing is my point is you should try to justify it in a good example Right is the Stormlight archives written by Brandon Sanderson what he wanted He thought it was be really cool by having these giant monsters that are you know Like show creatures like these giant death crab things they have to fight with giant swords, but it was like huh That's really unrealistic. Okay. Let me backtrack and work make create a world specifically that would justify these insanely overly large Creatures and he did that and it's just and then he creates his whole ecologically. Yeah, sorry What's the word up missus ecology? Yeah, yeah ecology around these creatures economically Ergonomically that creates this living world that feels so real and there's so many natural You know reactions and extrapolation by products where everything happens and plays out logically So you get this essential like ridiculous premise, but it is handled and justified So realistically that you're just soaked in into the immersion of this where it feels real And that's that's what you need to do you can Do what are you confused by one thing though? Where does the woman come in? No Well see they have this though they have the Marvel comics and I don't know mythology They have they have the world to draw on they have all the world building they want to draw And they just all they did was pluck names and swap some genders and they are rushing through the women come in They rush through the comics right like we've skipped over a shit ton Yeah, they they get past all the good stuff Failed I think we're reaching the point where it's like the the M It's kind of awkward it feels like it's the point where the MCU is big enough that you can Basically do whatever you want and people are kind of just here it seems I feel like because Moeller probably agrees with me on this The abomination thing in Shang-Chi where everybody's like gushing. It's all abomination. Oh look abomination It's like that's it's kind of what's being chased now I don't know that there's much of an interest in like telling stories anymore more so just hey Remember this character from the comics. Hey, look at him on the big screen. Look at all that. Yeah, CGI isn't that cool? Oh, look, there's no other character. Look at that. Oh this name drop Bethesda. Ooh Galactus. Whoa dr. Doom. Hmm. Like that's that's basically all it's what's happening now. It's like CMC you Emergency awesome not to pick on him did a whole fuck whole video on all the Easter eggs of a scene where a guy sat in a fucking desk for half the damn Yeah, what else is he gonna do right like you know, okay good on him for finding it. I was like damn. He's good Yeah, I guess it's interesting to think about in terms of We've got cuz like if you watch that trailer for Shang-Chi and you see abomination and you have a friend go like oh my god I hope they're doing and then you know says X storyline You know because it's so interesting for abomination's character and the fact that since we haven't seen him since an incredible Hulk I imagine there's so much of there that they can explore, you know, if it was that I'll be something but most people just go abomination Right this time. Yeah, he's got his ears this time and that was like that's a Shang-Chi trailer and we're talking about a Hulk villain We haven't seen him isn't it 2010 we saw him lost Geez it was it was that movie yet 2008 it's been nearly 11 years So as the abomination been locked up this I mean he would have been the Ronald Pivotal the logic is he's in the raft I think or at least that's what we presumed The impenetrable raft that everybody breaks out of To actually create the wall behind everything again, okay Don't say that you'd like pantheon where the raft was Wakanda is on the side of the Avengers Well, yeah, that's I mean that's how they knew in Falcon the Soldier, right? But what you worry me when you say that anyone breaks out. It's like I was able to stay in there now Just stay in there. Just stay yeah, you'll be fine. Just stay away from the story Yeah, yeah, don't come out of the closet and do some weird shit Stay right in Oh man, this is When I look close talking about like everything keg says It's such a weird way to review a TV show when we're starting with one of the last scenes in the show Well, that's because Is just like an exposition Lord dumb yeah, yeah, which is weird because a lot of it is the same as the little cartoon in episode one Yeah, they just a couple of names and No, they repeat the plot like four times in the series They thought it made sense the rest of the sense No and made it so much worse when they clear up certain specifics About the exact purpose of what the TV is trying to achieve with what he says in episode six and it's so bad It is so so bad how many times do they repeat how difficult it is for the timekeepers to maintain the sacred time Like it's like seven times. They repeat that. Yeah. Well, we we could talk about I'm trying to think of what's what the next It's it's what Kang just chose to do to try and fix the multiversal wall It's then leads to the creation of the TV a which then will bring Loki in Because at the end of episode two when female Loki set off all the devices and all the fractures happened on the timeline It just magically disappeared So yeah, so for people who in like said there's someone listening who's trying to be like so what happened next So so there's many variants of Kang some of them a little bit more evil And then then they try to take over and then the Kang we see is apparently the one that decided I am going to erase every single universe except the not even my own just the one that I want and the way He does that is like snips No He only allows the single timeline that leads to his own existence and the purpose the TV a is to literally prune Any possible variant that can create a timeline that will result in a different Kang existing than himself That's that's how I understood it. I thought it was just use their powers of space and time to kill the Kang's and that should solve that a lot easier Well, that's this is where I get the big issue It's like because from what it establishes the the whole purpose of the TV a is to avoid any other Kang's coming into existence And so instead of Wiping out and I use the ultimate big punishing. Yeah punishing all these innocent people like Murdering them on a scale that is unfathomable. You could just you know go after the other other Kang's pretty easily You've got the technology Well, yeah, strike them before they get the technology to become evil Look, he's done a lot worse than baby killing Okay So if he wanted if he just wanted to get rid of them while they're babies and remember he's done worse He said what part one of his initial offer with miss minutes was that he would create a world where both loci's could exist And that would be chill so we know that he can change shit to his liking and Surely that means he can just stop any Kang that isn't himself from existing The second they attempt to exist Yeah, yeah, but there's all these steaks with the Kang's right so this is this is like some real like Level shit, and then he's just like I can't be asked it anymore. Yeah. Well This review we jumped from like there's just so many things One of the things I was saying the frustrated me about Sylvia this seat is just like I would have so many questions to ask I've got so much more to do it about what the fuck's happening Yeah, we'll be was told there's only five minutes to the show Trudy's are coming in Male Loki I refuse to call her Sylvie Female Loki it'll piss off a lot of people It's like he's going to say female Thor instead of Jane Foster. It really triggers people just saying. Oh, yeah I just I know where Sylvie literally just for like logistical purposes friend. Yeah, make sure you understand what my criticisms are But I suppose yeah the the thing with Kang Doing that leads to obviously the the events of the show then that's pretty much the foundation The TVA were invented by him Just jump into the timeline whenever there's someone doing something they're not supposed to and leading to a splinter that they then destroy And I don't know like saying that to somebody without the context having seen the show must sound so bizarre It's like such a dumb plan to try and avoid this multi-versal war, which He already won the war he said the war was so bad that I was going to destroy all reality Which is like, okay. Yeah, how you could fill it like because there's no real narrative through line of logical extrapolation That leads us naturally to that conclusion Just seems like you would destroy the universes at war and then all the other infinite universes without a Kang in it Would be perfectly fine But anyway, it's gonna destroy everything and then like they say the fracturing the war that or the damage Created the purple fart poodle and he used the purple fart poodle specifically to win the war destroy all the other Kings and then he isolated the one timeline and then he prunes off any bridges that comes off And so he has the the weapon to just beat all the other Kings already He technically doesn't even need the TVA. He's got the purple fire to do it for him And so already the whole premise of the TVA is contradicted because he doesn't even need it. Oh shit So that was worth mentioning. So when he was trying to find a way to destroy the the different universes at his preference He stumbles across a lyreth this giant monster that Came out of nowhere, it's just it's there Okay, it's what I mean like they just ask you to just accept so much It's just like yeah, so, you know, I you know, I just I just came across this giant smoke monster to eat space and time You know as you do and I was just like, oh, I can use this to my advantage Where does this thing exist it consumed space and time Did you bring it to this weird death planet? He found it? He found it in a Cracker, but where does it exist if it is space time? He bought it from the IE space and time shop. Oh Yeah, I throw this shit around and they just have no clue as to what it means Like like existing outside of space and time and they throw away around these phrases like they're not nonsensical Yeah, and then you eat space and time from outside space and time and what what king did essentially was He sat down You can eat the buffet and also exist outside of the buffet. Yeah We're asking you are the buffet because we're the nerd So we're asking the nerdy questions because this is the stuff which interests us when we're dealing with science fiction and fantasy and Superheroes and all this kind of stuff the writers are thinking How do we make still how do we make female low keys? I apologize Gary. How do we make female low key? That that's all their objective is they they don't care about any of this this Times four times three times four times That approach that approaches what shows them as being such amateur bad writers. Yeah stuff is important Like severely so if your entire show is built on the foundation of the premise of these World-building elements and they haven't even thought it out of figure out where things come from how they work the implications and So we'll just spit it out like the writing of the world-building and the plot progression everything in Loki feels like they just Vomited out words on a script. I just like this is great and it's so It's oh bad and they I mean not every answer is in the comics But a lot of them are like for the portal thing that Moller brought up. I haven't read every Doctor Strange comic ever written It probably is mentioned that's you know, it's like if somebody's occupying a space You can't form portal there some some shit something like that. So like with the King thing It's like they took some highlights from his fucking fandom Wikipedia or whatever and then like threw in some other stuff Didn't bother to read a single click. There's a long I won't say rich history of King King's not the greatest villain He's a purple guy with the green suit and he's like, you know, and he's fine in the comic books but he's I The way they translated him it was it was a mortis so They talked about Nathaniel Richards who's a descendant of Reed Richards Who in the 31st century? They kind of drew on that one and then you know, he becomes a mortis king becomes like a bunch of different Kings Right, there's King the Conqueror and the timekeepers are all from the comics But they muddled it all up to this one guy and I guess he was then I mean Immortus who's supposed to be like the final King But they give you no detail so be so it's it's literally like somebody I hate to use sorry to use that word But it's like somebody sitting at a fucking desk trying to explain the Marvel universe in 10 minutes to a normie That's what they did with no context no details whatsoever and it sounded like Gobbly good, but a lot of people bought it because we have comic book fans putting their head cannon like filling in the spaces with head Can't never intends to do they never so that's what we're up against everybody's all but in the comics They like they're not gonna do that they're not gonna do that thing that you think they're gonna do they're gonna do the laziest fucking thing and So often the head cannon explanation gets outright contradicted by these crappy writers later on They have no plan they have no like there were so many defenses people brought out because I made a video on my channel criticizing Loki episode 1 and 2 in the world building and so many people trying to throw out defenses and so many of them are just outright contradicted by the later episodes because the writers don't have any like Plan or rules that they set out at all and it's just so lazy Yeah, and like I said, I know people who like this show and they had ideas about where everything was going They were really interested in the show doing it and then by the end they were like, oh Okay, I can't believe they didn't do that. Yeah. Well, this is the thing. We had no faith after episode one We would say no, this is fucked and they don't give a fuck The thing about world building is like they do treat it like fuck it and get out of the way Bill you go do it and it's like, yeah, I'll do it I'm just like why he's on the train on his way to work. He's like, yeah, I don't know that he found a smoke monster at each time Meanwhile, it's just like you know guys know that the world building can like facilitate all of your meaningful payoffs, right? If you nail it, you don't have to treat it as though it's annoying nerd thing You have to get out of the way Even though by the way they deliver it in the most lamest way throughout this whole show every time anyone talks about Anything works. It's literally just they sit down and they talk at you for a while. It's like this is Yeah, this is what happened before and this is how it works and that's that so boom there you go now I can get thrown out of a window And when they do that happen with with all of the Marvel on TV stuff Like they they put so much less effort into integrating it into the rest of the MCU Because they just don't give a shit about it Oh, yeah, look he's kind of shit then Spoilers well, you know what you said that on your channel and you upset people so I think it's not 500 subscribers because of that I think I lost like I forget I think maybe 700 as well for me when I posted my logo video There are so many but MCU Fears all it just it just it boggles the mind for us like oh, yeah, you know drink her or shatter Whoever it's like if they've had pretty solid takes up until now I really agree with them and then they you know post something about one show that I like and they don't it's like That's it. I'm done. Fuck you guys. I've never seen you again Yeah I just gonna have fun with us the funny green man I saw people pissed off about he-man Defending Loki. I'm like, you know the same damn thing happened practically. I mean the same damn thing They just shoved of the male character aside for the female character It was awful Absolutely awful. The thing is with Loki I knew within the first like four minutes What the show was gonna be the moment like fat time cop punched Loki in the face and you got that slow motion I know we're probably covering stuff that you guys have already talked about That was legit the moment rose like yeah, this year was good. This is gonna be shit I can just tell I know exactly what they're gonna do to Loki throughout the show. Yeah, look he's gonna kick his ass Yep, repeatedly. You were we're almost done with the the wheel building that Kang explains at the end of episode six And then we're gonna go to episode one. So oh that make that makes sense. Yeah And that was the same Loki that was just eating bullets at the beginning of Avengers Yeah, the guy who was throwing knives everywhere Blasting people with a scepter and smiling The guy who could catch Hawkeye's arrow out of the air without even looking at it. His reactions are that fucking good But yeah, this fat woman just like jabs him with a stick and that's it Tower, you know, it's okay To death by the beating from the hook Yes, but Shad train operators they're pretty tough, you know Yeah, but a diverse woman of size and color hits him with a stick and and that's it, you know They don't use that again the purple stick she has like she's a purple one they never see that again No, yeah, no because it was it was only made for that one scene to make his face go And she's like your experience and everything now at one tenth the speed Do you not realize like he is not going to be able to process what you're saying to him because No, she has to talk really really really fat or extra slow, right she has to talk No, she doesn't have to go fast No, she has to talk no, she'd have eight times slower. Oh, she'd have no you're right She'd have to go really fast to incredibly fast. Yeah Wait, no Oh My brain hurts. Yeah, I'm literally waiting for She's just Way into the Gobi desert and then went back to the portal if you're going slow Your head moves like 10 centimeters. She said everything so you need to slow down You would have to slow down. That's what would have to happen for me. Wasn't it funny when the Yeah, well the item could have been used, you know To come back later that was the setup for something later would know they did it for a cheap joke Oh, yeah, the caller on the little girl Caller by stamping on someone's foot because that's how like that's the level of training these time cops have apparently Well, like low key a demigod essentially wasn't able to get away from them Yeah, you know drinking didn't try to use his magic until he hit the trial that was the first time he tried to use She's the heart of the counts and Having experienced what he's just been through like being captured by the Avengers and bestied by them You'd think it would be kind of wary of humans or human No, I'd be like these guys aren't as weak as I thought they were I should probably be careful It's not well not not even like he watched them walk out of a portal from no way He's never seen that technology before and instead of being like whoa, what's this about? He just goes get out of my way Oh, no, yeah, I'm lucky glorious purpose a line that I didn't write Hey, man They got some mileage out of that life of the show like with our washing red your ledger is dripping just pillaging these great Yeah, to give it to give us some sense of structure, I'm just gonna say we don't we don't how we doing with Kang We is that it for the Just a bit too long didn't read is that Kang he created instrumental travel He met you met other Kang's they tried to kill each other one Kang Decided that he was gonna be the Kang to know me be only one and yeah They can be only one monster that each realities. Yeah, lucky something like that And somehow managed on the way to kill all the Kang it was irrelevant of the other Kang's He still decides what people get up to in the in the day-to-day like he's like yes, you will do this You will do this you will do that I have a little question about the logistics of this monster thing because like it seems like you can escape it with a conventional automobile I Think consumes entire Universities of reality really drive away from it with a car Yeah In the off-season or something is it just Consuming monster versus a wheeled boy Well, here's something that's important to remember we have to assume that 2012 earth Like with where Loki escapes got sent there which means that Thor Captain America Iron Man They got sent there and lost And we so maybe there's somewhere else on the planet fighting Yes Inside a glass jar or something like at one point when the camera pans on the ground Get to his hammer. Yeah, there's also the Thanos copter at there at some point as well And so Thanos himself has also been in this void world as well And no one was able to fight this smoke, you know purple fart poodle Except Sylvie because Enchanting Fuck that You know, she is so much better than our Loki in every way Even teaches him his magic and she's got all that now too So yeah, so I want to bring up about the which he doesn't use it after that moment at all I hate how much he doesn't use his magic in this show. It drives me nuts so the Yeah, so understanding right like like Kang wants it so that if ever there's any kind of split they have it has to go and We open up with with an example of it and like I've seen people talk about this with mentioning But it seems like the show is broken from the start and even Loki himself brings this up And the show was a very bad way of trying to get around it. Loki picks up the tesseract Uses it. This is considered a Like a nexus point or whatever that he should not have done that and that has to be solved and it's like We're gonna talk about because I don't lead to another thing I guess Yes, that will create a branching reality that will end up resulting in another King like because King is very specific in episode 6 to establish that the other realities branching off if sole purpose of avoiding any other Kings being created I mean ignoring the fact that he could have just you know used his technology to open up a portal under the feet of these other Kings and get rid of them instead of Punishing innocent people and destroying entire realities are not you know all this horrific next level insanely evil stuff but he's an idiot and so he decides to Make the most convoluted system imaginable to try and solve these variants That would result in you Kang by creating the TVA which is amazing And yeah, and we will talk more about those things But I'm gonna try and this is a really big hole and I'm gonna try my best to paint the picture Oh very clearly, right? Yeah, I know there's so many of them. It's just like which one is this so Loki teleports with the the stone they grab him They drop the grenade and that will reset everyone back to where they're supposed to be sacred timeline wise and they tell us That that is the stone is on the floor not being used by Loki. I guess it's Loki doesn't touch it therefore Tony Stark and Cap never go back to the 70s and you might be thinking like well It's like so when they do that grenade that has to set everyone back which means The 70s thing can't possibly happen. It's my understanding. It only affects things in the immediate vicinity So it takes away the Tesseract and it wipes out the whole timeline back to Yeah, because you only see it having a limited area of effect I kind of assumed it just does whatever is in the vicinity and it doesn't affect so, you know Things another side of the planet where they describe them is reset charges prune the effective radius of a branches timeline allowing time to heal all of its wounds Well in episode 2 they specifically say it's a localized area effect Which is the contradiction to the effect you need Because if it's only a localized effect that means when they reset the desert that you know They took Loki from it wouldn't have affected New York where he disappeared from That would stuff up every end of what localized means does it just mean the planet like galactically What does it mean to be local does it mean like a hundred? You know square kilometers So honestly, I just assume I assume they knock out the branch like that's the idea Yeah, effectively they need to knock out the entire branch and that would also mean You're missing the point massively Where's female Loki come in it's the women On the subject of female Loki because obviously at one point she gets a whole bunch of these that she's collected Yeah, so presumably there's there's some purpose to like having more than one like it has a larger area of effect Or it's more intense or something. Well, she sends them to different time. That's right There's branches that are still because she stole that thing. They didn't destroy the branch, right? So those branches must have kept going Oh, oh, well, I don't remember they just they mine. Wait, are you saying why would they break because she steals them? But the only way she could steal them is if they bring more than one and if they bring in more than one Are you asking why the fuck would they bring more than one? Because I agree to a degree like it. There's a there's a causal effect They're like because she's stealing them by attacking groups of TVA agents or whatever, right? Yeah But she was only do recently killing them. She was like six. Yeah. Yeah, so that well What if they broke one I they probably have to bring an extra one, but I don't know if they thought it would see I guess so. Yeah, the whole the whole point of this is like they didn't get here's your problem We're giving it way more thought than the writer's room ever did just in this last five minutes Oh, yeah, because they just as is right. They're like, how do we get it to female solo female Loki? Female solo will happen I kind of want to On the way too much coffee On the on the on the subject of like them going back in time to the 70s So now shout I know you talked about this because I watched your video when I was working on my endgame script How there are like sort of the the rules of time travel They're basically three rules There's like back to the future rules where the past and the future are like concurrent They sort of run together probably the most flimpy one Yeah, it's the worst Yeah, exactly even though I really like that's the future and then you've got like Terminator rules, which is alternate timeline basically you go back in time That's like a reset and then you just continue from there and then the immutable one where going back in time was like always happened So if you were like in 2010 and you went back to 1970 like chronologically you were already in 1970 Exactly, and you can only redo things that have already happened in the past Yeah, now if you want a good movie that handles that Predestination brilliant movie that does immutable time travel brilliantly So the problem is now endgame Contradicts itself as far as I'm concerned, but Loki makes it even more complicated and by complicated I mean completely dysfunctional because Because what we now realize is that everything is happening on one timeline or Alternatively every time they go back in the past they create a timeline, but that timeline is destroyed So how can they return the stones to the timelines where they got them? 2012 earth doesn't exist. It was destroyed All right Defenders of the show would say this is like the TVA allowed those variant timelines to exist for a long enough for Steve Rogers to return And then they destroyed that's what Well, a lot of questions one what what did Steve Rogers do? No, I know there aren't but but I'm gonna ask them anyway They're really important like the That's talking to the Hulk when she says if you take the time stone away You will doom our reality, right? And she says specifically you will do my reality by taking away our chief weapon against the forces of darkness And so that means it's not that the time so is busy It's just that they don't have it there to be able to fight Dormammu Which she knows is gonna happen in the future But the important takeaway in terms of the world building of a larger MCU is that alternate realities are Real and they are as concerned about their own reality as we would be in our main reality And so these are individuals with their own hope streams lives These are actual people as proven by Loki himself who was a variant You know being in the MCU now and he doesn't want to die And so every single pruning you see the TVA do is an act of unfathomable evil Where they just destroy an entire universe And so that universe let the dark that the ancient one was saying you'll doom our own universe Sorry, it's probably gonna be destroyed anyway even after they return the time stone because now it's a variant one And so the TVA is just gonna come wipe you out anyway So yeah, you were concerned about it, but it's screwed anyway I do like This is a point to talk because we're up to the time trap. We're kind of up to the the time travel rules But I figure it's worth like deep diving into how little sense this show makes at this point So we we have a lot of we have a lot of issues. So when we start with Loki This is what we learn. There is a sacred timeline There's one timeline and it sprawls from like the beginning of time until the end so like it sprawls from Before everything that happens in the MCU to even after stuff that happens like that we've seen at this point And the logic is That there is something called a nexus event which creates an alternate timeline because you did something differently Now, this is super awkward. What is what does that mean? What does it mean to make a different decision to the one that you actually made in the MCU? What does that mean? Like if I wake up one day, I'm like, hmm black coffee Because I'm insane or or tea. It's like correct. Correct. No, correct. I You know A line that people would latch on to as the explanation and she says that The timeline or universe whatever is fighting to break free of the TVA's control And that's what's causing all these Uh different variations and stuff and if people and like they will say time is represented as a circle King shows it and also when they in discount Hogwarts is the timeline circling around them And so every time the timeline replays on itself There's a chance of a a variation happening or a different choice of you know Someone's thing and that Sylvia's saying it's unnatural to be restricted into the singular timeline And so it's always trying to make whatever the word unnatural even means Exactly Yeah, exactly. Well, you know what seems natural Loki picking up the Tesseract when it falls exactly there is There is such a Horrifying moral implication about this because by saying that that is a variation Which is the most obvious action that Loki would do preservation Yeah, exactly shows that that means the main MCU timeline is the result of the TVA Always forcing things to conform to the way they want Not the natural course of events that people would naturally choose if they were given their own free will That is a horrifying reality Like yeah Taken that though would would people not point out that that Kang Planned all of that so that his path would For him to be involved with the TVA and be apprehended as a variant when in reality That's exactly what Kang wants him to do That's probably something we should have mentioned I guess in the the initial wheel building So technically everything up to the point that Sylvia decides to kill Kang was planned by Kang And therefore you cannot say it's a contrivance in any way shape of form or a whole All that it doesn't make sense because he the entire concept is a contriance, but well, and so this is the thing It's like we're not operating on that because I don't want to treat the MCU likes Kang's But it is that's what it is As well, so I'm saying that's that's it then you know stream over we've done it. That's that's all you can say So I would I would rather I would rather talk about the show Not assuming that that Kang literally made every single decision because I just think that well It just makes the whole this is the thing if someone was in chat right now That's the sad reality of the show The show got to the final episode and one said everything's a waste of time True, but the thing is if you said to me Loki should have you know defeated Big big big guard or the people on the train and stuff. I should be like, well, you know Kang didn't want to Mm-hmm. Like we could do Yeah, what I'm saying is that's all true But now we're gonna move to gear two and actually talk about these things as though Kang didn't force them to happen Or that they just don't make sense with what we understand to be the case in this world But hang on, hang on before we move on with the right then you mean essentially well Before we move on to step two if this was Kang's plan his master plan to get Loki and Sylvie Into his discount Hogwarts. That is one of those most stupid friggin plans Like there are so many chances of failure and chance along that entire process where Are there's it? How was there any transfer failure when he controls everything? Yeah Well, it's showing that he can't control people's actions to the extent that if they make something You know contrary to what he wants. He has to prune them. He can't just Force them If Loki did anything that we're because his life was at risk keeps at times He could have been killed multiple occasions, right? His plan is screwed and so they were insane If Loki dies, all he has to do is prune that version Yeah Let me think a Loki it is inevitable that Loki will end up where he is If you think about it like like a gulf pool just slowly moving down and if ever it stops Kang just rewinds a bit and then plays again rewind play rewind play rewind play until it finally keeps moving again It's just a video game. It's like if you get killed you just This is why this is why I feel like if we bring this up It's like it makes the conversation entirely pointless like Kang made everything happen the way that he wanted it to happen Exactly to the point where so Sylvie kills him and now we can talk about things being meaningful in the MCU Which is so fucked Everything up until this point all the decisions that made yeah, I think Friday night tights But like if someone was to talk about like one of their favorite moments being iron man proving to cap that he would Sacrifice himself to save the world when he gets that new through the portal Yeah, well, someone could just be like, why do you find that moment meaningful? And it's like, well, it's just you know, I supported by how much I know about Tony's Don't you just stop and go no no no no Kang Kang made that happen. Like why are you talking about this like it was Tony But this is what these dumb ass writers have done. Yeah Because they haven't thought this through remotely. Yep. This is what our stories just never work So infinitely complex that you just can't manage them in a dramatic way that makes sense Well, in the second episode where they base where they actually said so there's no free will yeah, um Not only that but uh miss minutes describes the universe as predetermined to the in the explanation video like yeah They are explicit in this show. There's not many much room worse than determined. It's predetermined. It's worse Yeah, yeah, and so If if i'm like why the fuck wasn't Loki using his magic you can just be like what kang didn't want him to so And the the the horror of this is on multiple levels So not only can you not attribute any good action to anyone because you've no idea if kang was the one who forced to happen But it also means every single horror bad thing murder genocide Most likely is kang forcing it to happen because one he either forced it to happen Or if anyone was going to choose to not actually have that genocide happen That would be a variant and that would be bad and he would need it to happen to have his perfect timeline because the perfect timeline Is predicated upon the fact that all the horrors that have existed in all of the mcu Must happen according to how he prescribes and so he either Forced these genocides to happen or will force them to happen if anything was to cause them not to happen and so He is it is just unbelievably horrified. Yeah, we don't know What is system really amounted to other than stopping variant kang like we don't know when he's deciding say for example Which coffee or tea that frees and drink we have no idea how he does that he just Yeah, he's sort of we never get to find out but he reassures us That it was like it was for it was for reason it was for good reason And you know it all seems just purely arbitrary Like there doesn't seem to be any real reason for it and you might think like oh, you know, maybe there is a regranary It's like I don't believe him. He literally got bored. He said he's ending this because he's bored Yeah, I heard It's pathetic All pathetic and how did he enforce all this stuff? So all the all that we saw, you know the time cops were all variants of humans So how did they stop and they mentioned stopping titans stopping kree which humans can't do But yeah, like it's It's all crap. Imagine these these fat time cops going up against Thanos Well, you're with their sticks before the show I would have been like how how are they gonna go against Loki? You know, you'd be like, how are they possibly gonna defeat Loki the second they turn up? No, no, no, no You're already you're already fucking up. How are they gonna go against me? Yeah, like me in this room. I have a gun How are they gonna stop me some I do I'm asshole That feels like a robot chicken sketch so they turn up the box just shoots the bold dad and grabs the gear and he's like Let's go through this portal. What the fuck's this all about? King is the most powerful entity in the universe and you could like pop him in the back of the head with a nine It's like it's not Not like it, you know, you say that as if you couldn't just punch him in the face He might just die An object any so If the tva really wanted to go about doing their job in the most efficiently possible they would oh, there's very there Okay, let's just open up a portal underneath their feet. Let them fall through into a time loop or a prism done Problem solved and it's already showing you can open up portals under your feet because Loki does it to save himself And um, and lady whatever and teleports them to their death planet You can open um tiny portals too. We see it with the grenades Yeah, you can do a lot with those portals you can yeah They're really useful It's it's really frustrating because the amount of stupid in this show is unbelievable It hurts my brain I would want to make a big old criticism like the tva's approach to everything including not only their technology their attitude Their morality and like ethical systems, but also just how they approach capturing the people they need to approach But like again, this is what ruins the conversation Someone was like no, none of that is a problem because that's what Kang wanted He wanted it all that way to get to the way we initially like oh my god It's like a writer's wet dream when they're just the laziest piece of shit in the universe You know, you know, it's uh Was such a letdown for me like the whole nature of like the tva and they're like their level of technology and stuff Because when you see them obviously initially they've got this kind of weird 1960s aesthetic And it's like ripped off from fallout or whatever it might be You're like, okay cool. Maybe it's like the Q continuum or something that like crazy like that It's some weird quantum realm where like that's what you see because it's like the closest your brain can comprehend to what's actually happening But it's like no that that literally is just the physical reality of the tva They're they're banging away on old-fashioned computers and using filing cabinets and signing documents and stuff It's like what is this they've stored Loki's time in the mcu on film and they showed on wheels It's like what the fuck Well, he's got you know, he's got a sheet of paper like it's his script for his entire life It's like here's every word you've ever said and it's like it's very six inches thick, you know, but he's like thousands of years old Our scripts would be bigger than that by far like So dumb Just while we're on that note about the um The whole this is everything you've ever said I felt it was just so out of character for Loki to actually give in and sign that Yes, yes, this guy would be so anti-authoritarian He wouldn't get like and if anything in the most like he would make a joke and sign Thor's name or something like that Or he'd do something like try and stab the dude in the eye with the pence like Loki's evil guys Loki's evil No, but he's also smart and he's witty and he's got a good retort from most things And it's like he never has anison in this show. He's never been to work. Well, it's like You'd have no yeah, it's like they've intentionally made him really dumb To make everyone else look good. I think a hack video assayist would say you see when he's hitting the face good This is a message to the audience that Loki is no longer the guy, you know from 2012 This is a guy who's gonna be in some funny adventures as he tries to stumble around the tv a and you're sitting there like The fuck Also to destroy the character like got you Thanks character assassination. Great. Oh, this is this is some of the purists Like this and black widow man coming out right next to each other and two characters. I really like of the mcu Are they both been butchered? Yeah, I like I didn't get to watch all the black widow coverage But you guys, you know cover the fact that she's like a child killer now Black widow Well, yeah, I don't know if that's isn't like That's not as bad as her like erasing the prison surely Yeah Like she wanted to kill drake of right and She felt the only way to kill confirm he was there was wait for his daughter to arrive and oh, it's just collateral damage And so that is like so bad Yeah, you're approaching this all wrong me. It would have been bad if she'd been a man But it's okay when she when a woman does it It's like when her mum or fake mum is like responsible for brainwashing thousands of people and Developing these horrifying mind control techniques of drake of You know develops, you know, that's fine because she she eventually helps them out a little bit And so she can just go on her merry way. No repercussions for her. She's a good person now A woman in Star Trek Picard murdering her boyfriend because someone says Oh, he might make some more robots or something and then they're all going it's fine Don't worry about it. You're a girl. It's cool. You're a woman. You gotta Well, I mean, it's the baseline is well, they were probably obsessed by or obsessed They were probably oppressed by a man at some point anyway So it's some man's fault somewhere and not the woman's fault It's like Wanda. She's going to enslave an entire town like fuck that. She's sort of said, sorry, so Did she even though the thing is in Avengers? They make it very clear the and Loki makes this very clear that there is no chance You are cleaning your record and that Hawkeye is no no better than you now if they told me What he's referring to is where she like maybe blew up a building and then there was people in there That she didn't know about because I'd be like, oh, well, that's Hmm. So didn't know about it. That has something, you know, yeah, like this I think it's it makes sense. How we how harshly he condemns her if the the thing we're talking about is This is the thing. I guess I'm making a defense of this. So we'll have to see how this goes The um If you have a history of a woman who has been born and raised to be a soulless killer Under like an indoctrination she manages to sort of vaguely slip out And then she's given a chance to escape by shield But the only way you can do it is if you can prove it by killing drake of And she decides this is this is the one part that's a week to me She decides the best way is to blow up his daughter because she knows that he would be with her Or or that she'll blow it like that shield was completely okay with this Out of infinite ways you can confirm drake off to be in the building she decides to go with the one that's going to kill That's what I was going to say. It's not actually I I don't I don't know that it's out of her wheelhouse to to Uh Decide that a child can be collateral damage for a for a mission when she's that early on in her development Because if you watch the scene obviously she's Immediately regretted the decision and then she treats it as though It's the thing that she has to make up for her entire life And loki uses it to say that you'll never be able to redeem yourself for that Like I think that there's something there that's working instead of it being Because i'm assuming you guys want to reduce her uh his sin, right? You want to make it a little less, uh explicit I guess Well to me because that was the point of her defection that I would have felt that her standards and moralities must have Progress somewhat because she's now wanting to join the good guys and her act for joining the good guys Is an act of going out of her way to murder an innocent girl Oh, that's awful That is awful. That's the thing. I the only thing that I don't like it logistically In terms of like, how is this the best method to kill drake off? I don't really see how that's the case um But i'm not i'm not against the idea that we could contrive a situation where she had to choose um You know completing the mission at the cost of a child's life or letting him escape for possibly forever and losing a chance to Defect to the west But I could go with you there My issue is is how easily avoidable it would be there are a thousand different ways You could confirm him to be in a building Then choosing the one that's gonna kill it. Well, you know, I've like I I mean, it's all for not and I drake off. Sorry. It's hard to wince enough to get a scratch What's even worse is if if you're telling me that shield of that desperate It's like they didn't even want a body. They were just like nah, if you tell us he's dead will believe you Yeah, and they don't need proof of the red room being destroyed Nobody did everyone just assumed the red room was destroyed too, which is really stupid that that film is a mess Um, it's like normally trope that a bad guy does like uh, he just fell down five million feet He's gonna be dead the hero is done, but the simons like the other way around This laser will eventually kill him. I'm gonna walk away now There's no way this is gonna fail. Ah dang it Yes, uh marvel seems to be going out of its way to assassinate so many characters and Loki is just another like oh, he is So awful is thoroughly ruined really his character His initial capture wouldn't have happened if he used one illusion, which he always does So it's just like so that sucks and then when he's captured he doesn't try to use his magic for ages Which is like the first thing he would do He doesn't try to hit anyone I'd be using that's it all the time And I think part of the most frustrating thing is sir as I think for you mentioned just like he's cooperating or Shad is it like one of the guys he keeps cooperating with everybody You'd think after being beaten by the avengers, right? He would be in the state of like no effs given you get in my way I'm just gonna kill you. There's no I don't even try You know when the guy is like walk through the machine if you're a robot it'll melt you and then he goes Do you think you're a robot and he's like do a lot of people not know if they're a robot He's like oh, you thought that was a really funny like Loki wouldn't be saying this He would just be like I go fucking through there. Who are you? And um and then and then he's like he goes to walk in then he's like wait, what if I was a robot and I didn't know It's like what the fuck is what are we doing like who are you? This is like gags at any cost Yeah, just throw the jokes at the audience don't think about it. Just laugh and move on and see this is the thing When you rewatch the show as much as a lot of defenders of show like to say it was it was when he watched All of the MCU that changed his character. He was different already Before he watched the MCU he was still a Weird vision. Well, it's not himself um So yeah, I think we're gonna have to go for a free for all at this point and everyone can jump in whatever they want Because like it's just so hard to keep track of exactly what to talk about But um, I because I just saw the visual now. I want to mention it What is the point of the trials for the variants? Anything you could say for them to for them to decide. Yeah, you're not guilty You can go free You can't go back because you're a variant like what are they gonna do if you're innocent? What does that even mean? What does it mean? Maybe that's what they determine if they're gonna recruit them or prune them Well, but the thing is they don't know that that's a thing, right? But we know that Kang's already said that he can get you back into the timeline So if you can he can assert two low keys in the same fucking timeline then he can Insert some guy that bought a fucking latte instead of a cappuccino Exactly, we were saying earlier like why doesn't Kang just wipe out the Kang's? Why is he wiping out every single form of life across the entire body? Because it's because he is it he is an astronomical moron like that's the answer Like his plan the purpose of the tva and how they function to achieve the goal of Not having Kang's come about is unbelievably dumb I cannot pull it's it hurts my brain to think that someone thought this was a logical way to Yeah In that first episode there's that guy from Goldman Sachs like my dad works for Goldman Sachs and they prune him for not taking a ticket But they were going to prune them anyway like what Exactly We're talking about the trial like They already know literally every single action and decision and things you've ever said in your whole life Like they know everything about you there is nothing you can answer or say to them that would change their mind about you being a variant And Loki makes the best argument that they've probably had he says no I'm not a variant the avengers time traveled and fucked everything up for you guys Which by the way, you might be like how does he even know this? It's like he could smell toady stocks cologne twice All right Like wow that's amazing because of course it actually is Because it's essentially saying that Loki has been fully familiar with time travel and that he's aware that it is even possible It's like oh, okay. Where and when did he learn this? Tony start wasn't the joke that Tony Stark had a a tin of axe No, yeah, of course But the thing is Loki was able to smell two of them and conclude from that that the avengers time traveled to stop him Yeah, Loki the axe is actually very popular indeed It's amazing that he concluded that two men smelling of the same flavor is is not actually that uncommon Like a one Eric s brandia. Yeah, that's a surely no one could buy another bottle of that cologne and it must be How else could you explain it? And that's the thing he makes a really great argument and then all they say back to him is no that was supposed to happen You weren't supposed to do what you did and so it's like if you know that why am I here? Like what what is the point of any of this? Yeah, Justin you came with the timeline like what is it why are you asking me if I think I'm guilty when by my own Fucking standards. Of course. I'm not but by yours. I am so there's just nothing I can do Why would you put a six-year-old girl in front of the court that you've just dragged from Asgard? What are you gonna do? Well, that's the thing that I was like what made her a variant they sentence him to a We don't know The thing is being a Loki get but why did it take six years for them to go? There is a couple of explanations for this Well, why is it that she thought of self-magic? Then we'll tell them It's established in the show that A branching timeline can be created that takes longer for the tv a to Detect and that's shown by old Loki when he says his branching event was when he survived Thanos But then he went onto the planet and lived until old age And it's only when he got lonely and tried to visit Thor that the tv a detected him And so that kind of establishes But he went to like a different planet and purposefully Oh, yeah I'm not saying this is a satisfying explanation Yeah, it's not a satisfying explanation But the answer of how it would have to work according to the rules that they've set up is that I don't know. Uh, whoever conceived this female Loki did a different sex position to cause the uh The the combination of DNA to have the female and then she was bought it He was bought as a female this time and it wasn't pruned until She started playing with the dogs many years later What was the variant leave the heck the husband then when he ejaculated? Yeah, that would be the next point Is the is the variant for um, Loki for dropping the tesseract in front of him But no it was Loki's fault for picking it up and so As to which is truly comparable literally they came after Loki like a couple seconds after he picked it up That's how quickly that splintered and significantly I guess and you know about that Disatisfying explanation, which by the way, it's not your fault. Shout out just the shows. Um, The show is crappy contradicting well when uh, when they tell us that anything that happens in an apocalypse means that It won't be registered because it'll never create a splintering timeline because everything dies there Anyway, we're gonna get to that in a second because that's not true But secondly them holding hands overpowered That makes no The rules they established Loki had sat down and for some unknown reason just turned to To female Loki and said You're amazing Yeah, that is the classic benchmark for like woke writing whereas like you have to constantly lavish praise on your female characters Like literally tell them how great they are Because they can't Through actions or anything you have to like really spell it out to the audience That's quite lucky because they never do anything by their actions Female Loki never did anything by her actions to show that she was Great or amazing all she did was be obnoxious and Tell Loki to shut up and then great Yeah, she basically yeah, she's able to tell him how useless he is like at every possible opportunity Yeah Oh, but she could enchant guys and then and then Loki could enchant because he had the power all along It's within you We're the same also every Loki here is an enchanting thing Just get all of those and you take like half a second to enchant Goliath Not Goliath should have taught ritchity grunt. He could have enchanted like the whole universe and power Yeah, do it. You're super powerful and super knowledgeable In ritchety grunt's Loki was just Basically baiting the dog to fucking eat him get over no one please. Yeah, he needed out. He needed he's new Get me off. Yeah, get me off this fucking shit shell Um, so yeah in relation to the whole like if you do anything in an apocalypse It will be wiped so it can't possibly create a branch anyway Um, they chose like the worst fucking apocalypse to make this example from like an intuitive point of view straight away being Pompey that a lot of Pompey was um I don't know. What is the what is the term when you hit like with volcanic Shit so fast that it like freezes you in position It's like a Cloud or something like that. Yeah. Well, so the I think I don't point You're leading towards because the issue of so the logic of the show is oh if you're an apocalypse everybody dies So like you haven't changed anything. Well, if you go to Pompey you start fucking around with things People are going to be frozen in different positions and people in the future People from the present are going to react differently to the people like if you saw somebody in one position He's like, oh, I'm standing in this position and then I see this next thing and then the cause of it's Would that be enough to create a variant timeline? When you see them monitoring the the sort of positions of the timelines and how close they are to creating a new branch There seems to be a certain amount of of variants. There's a certain amount of play to it that they can accept That doesn't that doesn't create a whole new branch I'm just I'm trying to like I'm trying to work within the logic of whatever the show creates Like the example you gave was a localized It may be slightly positioned different positions that might not be enough to like go out with the tolerance that they've defined They were able to There is a defense Like people Yeah, sorry people defending the show Have tried to propose this that you the tv a can allow Different timelines how long as they don't lead so long as they don't lead to an alternate kang And so at nexus events a nexus event is like this is this is headcanon It isn't confirmed with the show so I I don't accept this But that's what they say is that a nexus event is specifically when a timeline becomes So variant enough or variant enough to the main timeline that a new kang or different kang will result if that timeline continues on if It's it's dumb and it's contradictory because I don't think that I I would argue they have they didn't say that specifically. I mean like no, they did it's not in the show Yeah, the problem is like, but this is the defense that you know people in this show have tripped I don't even think this headcanon can work though because I don't see how the timeline The existence of timelines is based on kang the existence of timelines would be based on just different choices that anybody Yeah, yeah, it would it would but Yeah, yeah, but the timelines that the tv a are only interested in are the ones that would lead to a variant king in the future It wouldn't be one timeline It wouldn't be a matter of you generate a new kang the second You are incompatible with one other time like so they say the sacred timeline the second He puts a footprint in Pompeii that wasn't there before you've now got two timelines Yes, yes, um, and so he he only wants the the timeline that will result in his creation If it leads to a variant kang different to him That's when it's a nexus event needs to be proved according to this Now we've got a brand new problem that the icon except that I can't accept that the existence of kang Would be like it's there nobody else who would also potentially want to create multiverse wars. Is there not another person? Okay, so if something's branches off does that make that entire timeline exist all at once because kang is like a thousand He's not born for like a thousand years So, oh, you know, I wanted to I wanted to bring this up earlier But you know, they say like there's a limit on where the branch goes. They can't stop it. Why? Yeah, why yeah, good question And it's the the contradictory world building is absolute garbage because in episode two They actually say quite clearly that there's almost a time limit where their variants happens They have a certain amount of time before they can prune it before it hits the next event And they can't reset it But then they show in episode five that old Loki created a variance where he survived Thanos and lived for years Like multiple years on a planet and that timeline existed for ages And then it was pruned and way later on and so not only Are they like Deliver the rules of their world building horribly in bad exposition Then they can't even obey those rules and they end up contradicting them in different episodes It's I don't know how they fucking obey their own rules It's phenomenal May I say that they say that the grenades reduced the prune timeline down to the original sacred one And then they have them generate timelines in a later episode like that is amazing You guys just you established it as x and then it did y. It's like you don't even pay attention They do that I don't know about you guys, but I'm pretty sure there's a way you could reverse the properties of a gun So it heals people when you They have heal guns in uh in killing floor two they file all needles. Yeah pretty good even shotgun variants are great in shotgun heal So constantly when we discuss the show as it goes on um I don't think the writers even like they have no idea what they've done They just write things There's no there's I there doesn't seem to be any recognition As to the gravity of the kind of impact it's had on this world Yeah, totally That each episode was written by a different person So I'm gonna go ahead and guess that when any of us talk about any of our favorites from the mcu Like be whatever movie you choose. Nobody is gonna be like have you thought about this movie in context of kang? It's like fuck off. No, fuck off Because that's how much damage is done because like one of the the main writers was the um The guy from rick and morty Do you think that he was they were basically thinking oh well, we've done it with rick and morty What could possibly go wrong? We're doing it with low key. We'll just kind of do the same Same old stuff that we did with that and it's just completely fucked the universe up Just like it actually fucked the universe up and rick and morty when they went back to the original timeline If they introduced in rick and morty that there was an alien called kang who set everything in motion rick would kill him in that episode like this And he'd be insulted that that was ever a concept rick would be pissed off that they said like everything you did was chosen by some Alien you'd be like no fuck that. This is why I find it baffling because even rick and morty Usually try to have fun with their concepts and they recognize the repercussions this show Explicitly hazard wilson say oh, you know it free wills not existed is like an oversimplification And then all we get well in episode in episode six he himself then says we have to give people back free will It's amazing and the only reason he cares is because his life was on the line Yeah, no He says once he saw what was at the end of time He's now decided that like what the tva does is is unacceptable. It's like wow. Fuck you man But it's like when you see some people suffering and your own like you almost got wiped out by the smoke monster now It's a problem. Yeah, I'm fine with I'm fine with melting them on the spot But if it turns out they actually go somewhere else to get devoured by a monster Well, that's just that's just not right Yeah, well and apparently the pruning hurts too because every time it happens to someone they go It looks painful Doesn't look pleasant. Um, but you're really fucking disappointing is because it just makes everyone in the tva look like idiot assholes Like the they talk about how they believe in it completely Like he's like, oh, well, we've been told that this is how it works and by he says something like When the timeline is complete, we all join in each other in harmony or some bullshit and Loki's like, uh-huh, okay Which is like, have you not questioned anything you've seen up to this point in terms of the suffering? Really? Yeah, because we saw the text like, oh, yeah, but what if it's actually bad though? It's like, oh Yeah, I might think about this and then in the same episode Um mobius was like, okay, I will trust you with this one. It's like, why why was that so easy? It doesn't take much doing this for millennias apparently like what the fuck He doesn't even know how old he is. I think he says at one point I mean when they went when when mobius and uh I was forget the name row row something that I was Ramon Ramona Yeah, yeah, when they talk about oh, yeah eons of friendship. It's like wow That's that's a lot of time Like holy shit. Oh god, dude the dialogue in that episode Comes around you betrayed me. No, you betrayed me Doing that job for that two questions. Like, oh, yeah. Hmm. Actually, maybe this is pretty it's pretty bad What we're doing is like you fucking retard like holy shit And this the these again, these are real. These are just normal human beings before all this began They were variants and then they've been quite over the tv8. They've been working in the same offices doing the same job for thousands of years Like what would that do to your psyche? Surely you would drive yourself insane from that They don't even know what fish are Yeah, but what jet skis are I guess the desk workers don't know what anything is. Yeah. Yeah, which to me is you don't need people Stones are don't they? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they know what those are I it's people like that's what those are you hear about this and you're like So the first thing you guys probably should have done is did robots not people because it sounds like these people would go insane Like if they're actually people and then you're like wait, uh, they probably shouldn't have stored everything On fucking paper actually wait, but they don't because miss minutes has a digital file And she can jump into any technology she wants and talk to people as a hologram You're like, but wait, we also see them literally moving boxes of papers in elevators to study But also they have that giant robot that can vaporize clothing as the first step for when you're captured But then they also have a tv that looks like it's literally from the 60s to display the sacred timeline But then they also have these These devices that can help travel through time and space and they have little little pokey sticks that vaporize you But then they also store the footage of the sacred timeline on film. Just like I can't deal with this Yeah, this is goes back to what I was saying earlier if this was some kind of cute nexus continuum type place Where like everything is just kind of symbolic and what you're actually seeing isn't real It's just your brain interpreting it. Okay, fine. Then that works. That'll be great. Yeah, that would be a fun little interpretation But that's never established like the the way the show presents it is straight up Like this is how they actually operate. They are working on these old-fashioned computers Mobius and Loki have to figure out where The the variant is and they spend the whole episode looking through papers All look coffee episode evidence. You know why the only reason it was done because clearly, you know An ultra futuristic where everything was like holograms and stuff would be much more practical for this kind of thing They did it because they wanted that quirky cool 1960s aesthetic That was literally the only thought that they put into that. Yeah, that's how this show was put together That's the thing you I just think that's supposed to separate the the craft from the ideas right because like if so It was just like wouldn't it be cool if it was 60s and then you're just like, oh, how are you going to justify that? And then they look at you confused Yeah Who needs to justify it? It'll be fun. Won't it? It's fun. It's pretty good. And that's the thing it worked loads of people talk about it They're like the aesthetic is so fucking awesome. You're like, yeah Isn't that depressing? So many people love this show. So they're just gonna we're gonna keep getting this crap Oh, look if if the mcu can just pick up its history shred it into pieces and pistol over it And then the fans clap they can do anything And I think people loving this show is just bullshit anyway I think the vast majority are probably contrarians for a start Because I doubt very much these people are gonna go back and rewatch this show Over and over and over. You know, it's not gonna be like a faulty towers or a montipython or You know, no, they're gonna forget about it. It's just some content They've seen tom holland they've gone. Yay tom holland and not tom holland tom hiddleston Okay, tom hiddleston, uh, oh look fall out and that's it and then they're gone. Yeah, great your show ever now They're waiting for you know Absolutely right the format for the mcu is always the next thing. It's always the next thing It's never an appreciation of the thing that Yeah, yeah, it's just the next thing what's coming next The ultimate test for me would be the the people who are desperate in hype to watch season two Tell me what happened in season one And they'll be like Well, the time travel stuff can't like I remember most of it like it doesn't matter It's like dude, it's 10 out of 10 guys Okay, that series is a 10 out of 10. It's a 10 out of 10 even though you couldn't tell me a fucking thing about it It's airtight the riders thing we are so pissed off because we were paying attention We're like we're like yay more and more installments of this this universe that we enjoy. Oh Not again And yeah, so this subject we've covered a couple of times But I mean it's probably probably worth time talking about Loki watching the mcu And what does everybody think about this and how what it means to change a character from x to y in a couple of seconds It's still great to see him have a good pant waiting cry. Yes Because again Again, how do you devalue a character just watching breakdown in tears seeing himself See watching himself lose It was so cheap right and what's also annoying if they really wanted the Loki at the end of endgame to come back They actually reveal they have the mechanism in the tva to do it where they can send him into a simulation of his past And just send him back into you know Where is there and relive all the events in the simulation and they could do it in a Like click of a finger and he comes out like he just was dead at Thanos and done All right, you could hand wave it off that easily because they show they have the mechanism there But they're that dumb that they don't realize or extrapolate. Oh, we've done this How could we use it in other ways in other areas? I actually want it said because like this is what I was saying as well as everyone else I think is that they tried to steal Infinity war dead Loki and put him here in an instant. Yes. I still think dead infinity war Loki Is more cunning and more evil than the one that we have Yeah Before you know before getting killed Yeah, and even and even and if you look at the two deaths as well When Loki saw himself dying started sat down crying like a fucking baby A that's not how that Loki went out that Loki went out like a fucking boss And the Loki that was there anyway was the evil fucking Loki So he'd be like fuck you if I'm gonna die like this So When Thanos saw himself die In in endgame. He just went destiny fulfilled. Yeah, because he knew it was about destiny He didn't see Thanos fucking crawling to a corner going Yeah, and and and the obvious comparison of nebula watches her whole history, but that doesn't change your character She she hasn't done. Yeah, how people work. It's not. Yeah Nebula haven't the evil and nebula haven't lived it. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, it's even worse because I'm saying he watches the MCU He doesn't really he watches highlights Which is absolutely absurd because he's under the impression this whole place is a fucking lie He watches the low lights not the highlights. Yeah Well, yeah Bring it up But when Cartman got talked to by future Cartman about how he stopped doing drugs and stopped eating fast food He told him to fuck off Honestly guys, I think if we were all visited by ourselves from 30 years from now and Person was like, trust me. What you want to do right now is the wrong thing. We'd all be like, hmm I'm not sure like I might do this to If it was coming from an unreliable source like the tva which clearly have their own motives, of course you would be You'd be like That's the thing you all you have to do is Loki because he's Think what what possible reason could they have to show me this and it's like Mobius has already said They want him to work for him and he wants to trust him. So he wants him to prove to him that he's a good guy Like the remember. Oh, I fucking hate it so much They have to as writers recontextualize his love for killing straight away and they have him explicitly say by the end of the episode I'm just I'm I'm a I'm a weak individual trying to look strong. Like that's what he said Just one attention, uh, yeah, so annoying because Loki. I'm sorry. Loki's not weak. Like he's weaker than like a Thor Sure, but like he's not weak He's a fracking god and and that's something they were Really hesitant to say at first remember asgar was just Super technology, right? But later on they wanted to amp everybody up. So that now they're gods and but now they're not gods I don't know what the fuck's going on with the mc Oh Atrocious in this like the fact that Loki struggles to fight tva ages Not only like the the more cop security guards on the train and one of them used to be out of the window I was like, what the fuck is happening He's so weak He literally played with captain america like Even it even shows him getting drunk on the train. No, I'm sorry someone with his like physiology would not get drunk on a couple of glasses of champagne Wow Woman it's written by women as a woman. That's why he's emotionally unstable Can't handle his fucking liquor. That's why he's weak That's why he sings and dances Those women Yeah, men do not sit around and talk about what love is Conversations between between Mobius and Loki about Loki's feelings Because it takes so long to arrive at the point. It's just endlessly asking him like what is your motivation? What is you know, what is what what drives you? It's like you shouldn't be asking the character to describe themselves like that That's the laziest fucking right in imaginable Not not only do I completely agree with you. They're doing it. I think almost in a self aware way Episode one is a rush job to turn him into a different character Yes, we are just rushing We gotta get because if you remember and so fucking annoying to watch and you know full fat videos He made the reference in a way that was positive. I hate it. So when um, Loki tries to convince them in the um, like the carnival But whatever place that I forget where it was like unfair Yeah, so he tries to convince them that if they step out of the tent they will die Yeah, they kind of and then like, you know, it gets a little bit sinister and he's trying to explain it And then Mobius just goes he's lying everyone can leave and it's just like Oh So I was gonna say that's annoying But then the one-two punch of Mobius sees him later and Loki's hopping around Mobius trying to explain. Hey, I only lied Yeah, he's like I I didn't I didn't really lie. I was just trying to prep You know, Loki might do this so it's good that you guys know, you know, I didn't he's just like shut up Loki This is like, oh my god. What have you done? The yeah Would not tolerate that kind of shit And it's exactly the same with Sylvie when he like again lots of like scenes where he's She's striding purposefully towards something that she's got to do She knows exactly what she's about and what's going on and he's just like running along behind her trying to get her attention And he's trying to tell her things and she's like shut up. He literally hides behind her when they see the smoke monster He's constantly deferring to her and he's constantly like, yep, we'll do whatever you want. I'll follow you I'll I'll be right behind you never He's saying you're you're amazing and you're wonderful as well Yeah, I miss the Loki that whenever there is a threat of any kind the first thing he does in reaction to it is smile just like Let's do it And but the point one of the big major point beat points of Loki's um Uh, you know turning turning back was uh, except in Odin as his father, you know, it was always Oh, yeah to Thor your I not Odinson your Odinson and it was like that that and then At the final stages he says to to Thanos. I am Loki Odinson And Thor realizes that they are united together And then in this show, it's just let's talk about my mum. What's the thing that his office complete? I'm sorry. My boy. We can't end stories. His office completed Hang on. Drinko, what were you saying? Look how they've massacred my boy It's it's it's it's really fucking annoying to watch because I think I don't know if it was uh as I said He went out like a boss, but just uh the the fact that he said to Thanos as he was being strangled You'll never be a god. Yeah, you'll never be a god. Yeah Yeah, he's just saying fuck you to Thanos like looking back You're just like god that was such a good ending for Loki Like just end it there and the story, please No resurrections this time, huh? Yeah, no resurrections Let's just Well that line has already aged like milk. I mean all of them It's age like it's age like semen It's age like semen on a countertop man. It's We It's no good. Also just just on the note of resurrections, right? Because they've introduced this technology and now that there is an infinite multiverse All right, you can bring back anyone you want just hop over to another reality That's certainly slightly different to yours and grabs like how do you come back now? You're like done. They like They could bring back anyone they want from an alternate reality. Oh, yeah, and this this might jump into the Oh, yeah, nothing matters. It might be the way they Introduce the X-Men in the fantastic four or two, which will be terrible I mean, they're gonna have to reset something or they're gonna have to go. Oh, well, there's mutants now because the multiverse Well, no, they already did that. I've already confirmed it. Yeah Well, yeah And plus we already have a lot of examples of it But a lot of the new characters that they introduce our X-Men We're in the comics. They used to be dudes and then they just turn them into girls They're just so swap agendas. So you already have X-Men in the uh, in the MCU. Oh, I get it. I was so lost for a minute that I got you Yeah, no, no Um X ringy It's funny that you say, uh, they'll use this to introduce. It's like you could just stop right there. They'll use this to introduce everything Like there's just there's nothing they can't do now Oh, yeah, because you could just end your entire first season of your new show with a massive ridiculous exposition dump of the entire history of your cinematic universe and That's it. That's all you have to do. It's it's it requires no finesse. No talent Nothing just just explain it at the end and they got away with it The people eat it ate it up. I said it last night They could just have a fantastic four movie where a giant galactus is at a giant desk And he just tells us how he eats planets and they they could just do a whole movie like that My god, oh god My grandmother's house and discovered that I could eat space and time because I saw a blueberry pie And this doesn't make any less sense than anything else. Fuck it. He's overweight. So he does cry He's like I do I am self-conscious a lot of people look at me in a way space and not be fat Yeah, and he's upset about it. And of course, uh, read richards will talk to him. It'll be like, look man I understand. I look all right. It's okay And galactus explains like I'm not evil. I am necessarily evil. I have to eat these planets I'm part of nature, but nobody understands it and then he starts crying That is He was crying the whole scene just lots of it but like increases speed, you know here and there huge giant tears falling down On this purple suit It'll be a woman a black just be a woman Galactress Galactress, yes What's amazing is that by so you have the the last two episodes sort of but I guess sort of maybe two and a half or whatever Um, you introduce hang the the ultimate big bad of everything. I don't know how you can ever possibly top kang Um, no way, uh, it's all nonsense. Anyway, but you also have a lieth Right and those just get dealt with kind just like that Yeah, these these rapid introduction and then dealing with this insanely powerful Being just just like that and it's done and it's over and then we can just move on Well, like you could be forgiven for Like just forgetting that the cloud monster Existed and was doing what it was doing for how long it was doing it and how insanely impactful that is to the universe But I was like nah, I just I can't remember what Well stream it was on but it was like if if captain america 4 is about falcon doing his doing his little do Like he's he's beating some bad guys in some country or whatever for some reason. We just said they're like, dude Kang like in the multi Like yeah, how do we go back? They fucked everything. That's so broken It really is nothing Nothing And it's mostly for jokes like a lot of this show tries to be funny and it's really cringe It's certainly like, oh man, this is not the thing you should joke about you're ruining everything Lull infinity stones in a drawer Watch black widow next guys And we gotta pop the black widow, yeah Do you remember one of those but I guess if y'all want to turn it into a joke, that's fine When uh, when logan's gonna go on his first mission and uh, uh mobius I think it's a second mission. Sorry. It's when he's figured something out. Mobius is like here's your knives And then the the lady is like no, he's not allowed his knives I'm just like since when the if he can conjure a blanky, can he please conjure a knife? Like yeah, he does conjure nice though. That's how he's always got his knives He's conjured them and thrown them and he can thus someone else we've brought before So he can conjure any way to look that he wants, but he stays in his shabby little fucking suit throughout the entire show Only getting dirtier and dirtier. It's like why would the loki's all about pride? Like he's obsessed with this image. Why would he do this? He's wearing his fucking outfit and sylvie gets her gets her sleek green Leather padded nice gold trimmed outfit and loki's just in this fucking ridiculous suit with he keeps his goddamn tie on And just I'm like, what are you doing? I'm trying female loki. Come on. You want to like conjure some fucking armor for yourself conjure some dignity Yeah He conjured up a fucking glock so you can just deal with things. Yes Or a bowl or something. Yeah, you remember in the in the fair the we've shown the scene How how they are all defeated is the most standard action stuff ever she stabs them. You're like, oh That's it Remember she sets them on fire. She pours oil on the floor and lights it when they arrive. So are you kidding me? You guys suck These guys are literally as vulnerable as any other person. Yeah, they are easy to kill And so we mentioned how like pathetic it is that loki struggles fighting people this week And so not only are they horrible at being consistent with loki's power With how has been depicted in other proper, you know other movies and things They're also horrible with being consistent with his own power and his own show because he can't fight his people Yet he can friggin stop a falling building with telekinesis suddenly Kidding me and then he barely uses it again It was shown on like the day that episode I finished watching it with with free presumably I can't remember the title anymore You see it on twitter getting shared and they're like phenomenal moment. The show is incredible. That's amazing That's what it's there for that's exactly what it's there for us. Yeah This is uh What's going on? Well, you know when you um in the episode two when you first grabbed something with telekinesis to defend himself I was like, wait, has he ever had telekinesis? Yes, same I didn't know he had that power Well people have tried to um Justify it when he's in the prison in for the dark world and he learns that the mother is dead And he does this wave of power which pushes everything back But I've always seen that as literally a wave of power of just energy being expelled pushing things back Not actual telekinesis where he's able to grab something and pull it towards it I was about to say those two things aren't the same, right? Like we can't even exactly they're not the same Like Loki has already been presumed that he has some type of energy that he can project and shoot and stuff But uh, what telekinesis and then the fact that he could stop a falling building The amount of force that he can produce with his telekinesis. He could literally rip people into pieces if he wanted to It's unbelievable And people go back and think why would it have been handy for him to have the power to move buildings with his mind or something to the side? It's like, thank you That's gonna hit a ship that they can get on or a hulk. That's yeah, like if a creature Some description was attacking him. Maybe Throw them halfway across the city Yeah, um And this is the thing I was getting frustrated with how much he wasn't using his illusions and then they're like Don't worry. He'll use his telekinesis. He's like, I'm sorry. What? What did sylvie teach him that too? apparently well See that's another thing that was before he had properly met her which happened to be uh Like they figured out where she was at the right time and then they went there and she enacted her plan Like the exact same time they happened to arrive and they only did that Because of the uh, the gum they found with that girl in the in the first scene if you remember where they mentioned the devil um Yeah, what they want us to think in terms of timeline is sylvie went to a place killed some some people Then she gave the gum to a kid just casually because she had the gum on her from when she went to the supermarket Toilet didn't choked in the cause day. Yeah, uh, timeline. Okay, probably Um, and so mobius Mobius cross-referenced the gum with apocalyptic events and that's how they found her. It's like damn that is fucking lucky But why would I even meant this right kang did it all I did it in the 1500s gonna think about gum Like this shit is not how it what? I just want to eat. They thought I was starving. They were like, I don't want to choose something exactly My saliva glands, which makes me more hungry I think the writers thought that was genius that they were like she would have gone to the supermarket She may have picked up some stuff. She might just give a kid some gum. That's g. Yes. That's it And then you'd be like sylvie knows that they're gonna fucking wipe out that branch What is the point of giving my mom it's it's the show that she has the murder with a kind heart Oh, yeah, well, I saw people defending like she's like the best character in terms of like understanding who troubles This is her bit. You just sit there like it's called low key I I've got a question as well But these apocalyptic events that you can hide out in right because she mentions at various points that she's Got favorite ones that she goes to like she's been to the same ones multiple times But I always wonder like, well, okay How are you doing that because aren't you going to bump into other versions of yourself because presumably These pocalypsies are time limited like the the convenience store. That's just getting destroyed by like a tornado or something, isn't it? That's like one night basically you can hide there So mega nerd answer right here technically actually right You can't change the past in the mcu like a take that the time travel they established is alternate reality so if you go to the past you create an alternate reality because you're there and And then if you go to the future of that future and you go to the past you could run to yourself But if you return to the future of the future you came from and go to the past You would just enter into another version of the past where you weren't present in and you couldn't create essentially an infinite amount of Variances where you were not present in because you could hop back into the timeline that you came from Which I think is it holds entirely with what they say in this show Which is that if you turn up in the past as long as you don't do anything it'll be fine Which is not true Turning up already changes that you've you started that according to it a little I'm still a little confused on the alternate reality if we're in one sacred timeline So there's alternate realities and there's timelines So that is it all in that one sacred are all the alternate realities within the sacred timeline And are they all going at the same speed? The show is unclear. I actually had a dimension in there as well Yeah I've been having a really long ongoing debate with a mate on game Tacky on if it's multiple timelines or one timeline My best understanding of it going off everything is that there is only one timeline Only one original big bang events from the creation of the sacred timeline kang got rid of all other Dimensions or parallel realities or whatever and then he created his perfect timeline and he says it by saying Yeah, don't even ask. He did it with the Giant dimension heart poodle. Yeah, well We're talking about parallel realities and alternate when I say alternate dimension. That's not a mamu. There's something he didn't like Oh that gets Yeah, totally totally If you gathered Thanos with all the stones dol mamu and galactus and told them like hey guys I know you're all like beings of maximum power and probably don't even understand what i'm saying Maybe I don't even care like but there's like there's a guy who sits in an office Who could just insta kill you at any point if he wants to like that? It completely ruins the framing of every kind of drama that's ever gonna happen this fucking universe It really does Just to try and answer gary's question is that the kang says he isolated this one timeline And then any variance or branch off that timeline is what the tva is specifically pruning And so there is no other Timeline with its own big bang. That's its own kind of thing with uh different alternate realities yourself They're only Alternate realities that are branching off of this first the sacred timeline thing But as to how many branches it allows to run concurrently for temporary amounts of time to allow Sylvia old Loki. We don't know it's it's very unclear Seems like they just randomly choose that amount depending on what they want at the time That's that'll be my theory Which by the way, yeah, we can talk about that a bit for a bit if you guys want um, I think Uh, we said it before and I really I'm not joking. Richard. He Grant was the best part of this whole show He had a complete storyline Phenomenal acting and he actually had to pay off that my heart was like What what's going on? He was supposed to be a gag. He was supposed to be a gag. It's either him or crocodile Loki I mean the two of them are pretty strong But when a CGI alligator is better than your two main characters, you know, that's a bit of a problem Um, I was like surprised, uh, because I think I was watching it with metal and I was just like, huh I'm actually like I kind of care Yeah, I mean you've got a you know a phenomenal actor in Richard E Grant and yeah Yeah, they were able to just give him a nice simple character arc that's that works because he's really sells it Yeah, it's amazing when you don't over complicate things and and just you know make them um relatable Uh that you can actually get on board with a character a character that that came across as happy just to be subservient Happy to just be surviving but then ultimately decided no I'm Loki And I don't tolerate this shit Uh, and so he creates this, you know beautiful illusionary asgard knowing he's gonna fall To give the uh to fucking Dicket was it fucking tweedle dumb and tweedle retard The opportunity to sneak past the fucking smoke dog No, you misunderstand. It's the opportunity to attach their hands to bits of smoke and thus Yeah And then go fuck everything up at the end anyway and Loki can suddenly deus ex mucking of the enchanting power because we're the same The powers in you all along the powers in you all along It's just for the ovaries because reasons Except for the ovaries and the teats You'll get there you know in tubes Yeah, um, I think that was the most the probably the highest rate episode from our sphere of things because it was like It was just vaguely fucking interesting Do you remember when the little kid Loki manages to like bully Loki as well? Uh-huh. It's just how a Loki sucks. Can we have any other Loki? I hate Loki at home I think the scene where all the different loki's get into a big brawl with each other was like the point where It just transitions into full and complete mockery of Loki as a character Yes, it's not even portrayed as this epic clash or anything. It's just pathetic morons Having a funny goofy bit of slapstick fight They have our Loki acknowledging like oh my god backstabbing is so lame and I do it all the time. This is so lame Like yeah, it's it's never for any kind of reason or anything Yeah, then And then the locus we get for this uh one episode or the two episodes Oh here you want to come with us? You can leave this horrible horrible place where you get eaten by this fart thing They're like, no, this is a home. We like it here. It's like I don't This hellscape. That's a dump. You want it. That's your home. Yeah, wouldn't you rather literally go anywhere anywhere else? Yeah, yeah, no It's fine. We've been here for a while though. He like that doesn't We know what you're doing. Yeah, but you can't do that and have like a better life Where you don't have to run away from the script calls for us to leave We were only paid for one episode. Yeah, we gotta go now You can't afford rickety ground for any more than that. Last thing when he got eaten I was just like, oh, I mean, yeah, all right You know, not just for the sacrifice and everything it worked. It's just that like, oh He's gone. I'm not gonna be able to be entertained by this I got more satisfaction out of rickety grand laughing in the face of death than I had Anything in the whole show I just I just like it was it was a it was building my investment up in a really small way and he's gone already And I was like, no I we all knew he was going to last Because you know, this is the thing if the whole show were about him Just be like, let's never gonna happen. It's like, yeah, but it should It's very symbolic of what they think of the source material too They put them in this like what they think is a gag costume that I fucking liked I thought it was like the best costume I've seen in the marvel universe in a long fucking time But he was supposed to be a big fucking joke. Dude. I'll take it over the drab suit that Loki was through the whole thing Yeah, yeah, I'd wear that over his beige fucking ripped muddy But as he said though as Loki as Loki did say to uh, female Loki at the end I just Want you To be all right Yeah combo that lineup with you know, Loki I don't know that this will work and then he goes if you go I go Are we back to teal or masters of the If someone said if you saw those lines out of context said who said these in the MCU I feel like you you would say Loki like after the 100 other names you said And all the girls looked away from their phone at that scene and went You know, it's the bit as well where they're sitting together Going like oh, it's cold Yeah, yeah, let's talk about What what where does Loki come from No, he's a sun giant from the planet of flames and he's cold, okay Frost giant that got cold. I cover like the first significant use of his illusions is to get himself a blankie. I can't believe Why did you do this to us? Why aren't you sucking your the baby you are They got in the writer's room. They sat down and said, okay We need to cuck Loki at every turn. How many times can we make this guy look like a little bitch go This is what would normally happen. She would complain about being cold But like she would think there was nothing I can do about it And then wouldn't you know he conjures a blanket to keep her warm and that's a Sign that he's doing something nice for her. Yeah, but they couldn't allow They couldn't even give her that they couldn't allow her to show even that tiny bit of weakness or vulnerability They had to have him do it It's like that's how it's fast these writers are He said he's cold and then conjure the blanket for himself It's not even she I mean This oh, there's they're all just fucking retard, man The writer what uh, the story editor Bisha K Ali has a podcast Okay, and it's supposed to be comedy, but she's she starts every one of her quote-unquote jokes with I am a feminist, but For a fucking hour. She does that I had a Does anyone ever left any of her jokes, sir? Well, Gary's got he plays some of them in his his Loki video he put out yesterday and Christ they all fall flat. There's nothing Nothing funny about her. Yeah Often the fact that she's employed. That's the fucking most hilarious thing hilarious. Yeah That's the thing in the writer's room when they were writing all these scenes to just cuck the shit out of Loki One of them was like, oh man, I can't wait to just metaphorically kick him in the balls And then someone was like metaphorically I'm doing free There's more impact people are gonna love it That that that entire sequence was just insane on so many levels like he doesn't try to defend himself Which presumably he could do he doesn't try to leave that area which presumably he could at least try Um, he doesn't try to do anything except just let her do it. Well, no, no eventually he does like break down and cry Yeah The weird thing is that the women love tom Hiddleston they love him And so they they have him this this ball kicking loop That if if you are like a woman and you're looking at tom as a fucking alpha male, you know You've seen all the nasty things that Loki's done and they're all they're going Loki great man great man Loki great me and he's just there getting kicked in the balls over and over again then breaks down and talks about how Pathetic he is and how much of a narcissist he is and how This site. Oh my god, they must be drier than the fucking Sahara desert down there The thing is Loki's already made admissions like that in the first episode So I don't even understand what they were trying to do there. It's not like he had to arrive at this point He's already made that realization about who and what he was. Yeah, but it's just like we're in at home again It's a different writer and nobody's reading each other's scripts. Anyway This is one of the things I picked up and in my review right how much redundant dialogue and how many Seens there are that just reiterate the same shit over and over again Honestly, you could probably drop about two episodes out of this if you just cut all that stuff out Do the last the last episode like 60 percent of it is nothing like you could just cut it Yep, well minutes they to sit down at the desk They they dick around in the castle going Ooh and the miss minutes shows up and and then they walk around slowly and then kang fucking eats an apple And then they sit down at the desk. It's the 12 minute mark of the episode. Nothing's fucking happened And they sat down for 31 minutes insanely padded and then they have that scene where uh Roboto or whatever is like only one person gets free will and that's the one in control No, I'm gonna go and look for free will by Oh In the lamest fight, I think I've ever seen in in the mcu when he just goes at her with the He stabs and misses somehow. Yeah, and then she just kicks his ass She doesn't even present like he doesn't even present the slightest threat to her like he's she's straight up says you're not a threat to me Like, you know that and he says no. Yeah, he agrees when he's on the floor. No, I'm not I'm not a threat to I'm a pathetic fucking man And here I am on this is the same girl who lost like the child who just stamped on her foot and ran away Yeah, yeah, she kicked his ass Well, see that that was her arc drinker. She was defeated by a child and so she trained her entire life This became like super buff and Like no child's getting the better of me now And I hate the glow sticks in terms of just like it's so hard to lose when you have that because you have to touch them And like they do these ridiculous motions where they easily countered and then hit and then they lose it I imagine if they imagine if they fired a beam or something that pruned people That breaches the multi-universe accord of only allowing sticks to be used in battle Yeah, when when they go find a robot tva guys The actual lizards and they start fighting and they don't use the the melty side. They just use the backside The stabby side which they apparently Don't want to melt them you can just stab them to death in case they're immune to melting whatever I could stab them with Like a fucking cave, man. I suppose it depends on what species you are, but like the stabby side is more lethal potentially You've got a chance to survive if you hit with the The glow stick because you could just have to get into a car and drive away from the dog because we're bored But if the stabby bit gets you no you could die you could hemorrhage and I don't know that's bad shit, man Yeah, you know To bring it back a little bit with the with the variants I find it funny that the most efficient way to control all of this would be to open a little portal drop a Grenade through to every timeline that's splintering Instead they go and try and find the variant of that timeline to bring them in to ask them if they did what they already know They did like I know we went over this kind of it's just it still baffles me that the most efficient way Is to just teleport a grenade in there and that's it Ask if they're guilty when they don't even know that they're playing a game that they could be Guilty of is like but but I just put I just put two lumps of sugar in my coffee That's all I did is like, ah, there he is the admission of guilt He's done it in it. He is a destroyer of worlds You will lead to the rise of the new king What now? Yeah, I'll put one sugar in next time. Just let me go back I'm so sorry I barely woke up. I so don't know if I'm actually A family will miss me not for long Am I still dreaming? This is all a bit weird No, you have all this technology and you have to send people in to prune the timelines Can't you just prune them? I mean do you need to bring people out and be very You know, what's the fucking thing did it like it like just with him right like at some point He's a human a freaking human being. Yeah, apparently. He's just a guy. Yeah Well, he says like he doesn't even know how long he's lived at this point or some shit It's like so apparently he did something speed it up Well, I mean the place he exists. I guess it's outside of time and space. Oh, I hate it when they say, you know Aging aging I guess doesn't work there. But yeah, like he must have some concept of the passage of time or events or something The space outside of time and space But there are things and they occur They do yeah, and it's like You know There is the flow of time because objects move and people talk to each other and you know We find out that the the tv is all a part of the timeline too Like it all had to run a particular way according to kang's vision. So So it's it's outside of space and time, but it's also not outside of the grand plan of space and time It's like sounds like you're just saying shit at this point No, you're just making shit up now Oh, it makes sense. It's true. I swear No, yeah, yeah. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. This is real No, it's not kang. Stop it. No, you stop it. I talked about this Stop I do want to make sure we don't forget to mention the uh, loki's very significant concern for the lives of the people on lamentus Yeah, oh, yeah, loki is he's quite the philanthropist The um, because if we had cap going through there and it's like we got to escape and he's like these people They have to get out of here. You know, we have to save them. We're all just sitting like, mm-hmm. Yeah cap Yeah, but loki's saying it. We're like the stop what it's not right now Two days ago you would saying that they've all needed to kneel before you and that they're all beneath you and he killed like what? He killed all the shield pretty much. Yeah Without a second thought because uh, he's their glorious purpose. You know, he's gonna lead them Yeah, because because thorg says he's my brother and then this scarlet scarlet yansen says he killed 80 people in one day He's adopted That's 80 people 80 shield agents in one day You know, you can say that line now People would be offended. You might offend some people who are adopted. So we can't put that in the script anymore Shouldn't have been adopted. They're already on. Yep broken family Unloved You know what e-fap chats adopted we keep them here. We look at them They had to find out sooner or later Chad, it's fine. I got you. Give me a hug. Come on. You're metal biological children. Don't worry We still love you all the same But a little almost a little bit less. Yeah with the tad um Yeah, you know, no dad It isn't so Don't lie to me Um, oh, they're broken. Oh no So We uh, so we have we have a couple choices here. I don't know what what the panel would like to do We could continue going through different topics of Loki or like watching good Media thing. No, um, that was not an option. No, you don't get to have that Well, um, we could watch a video of someone saying why the season is so good Really, I'd leave it up to you guys. We'll have a vote You know, I'm down for that. I am That's two people There was something else I wanted to mention that was uh, oh, well, don't worry It's not over. I like even in the video you can bring whatever you want. Do not worry chat You go right ahead. You're not allowed. You're not allowed to talk about, um Loki anymore I think it's like it's escaped my head. I'll okay. It'll come to my mind. I'll bring it up when it comes Oh my god. He's he did it anyway. He forgot something. Yeah, if you forget something, you're not supposed to forget I guess you also get pruned. Oh fuck. Oh my god So stressful. Oh my god. Yeah, at least people don't know to be stressed about it. That's kind of a blessing in a way They don't live their whole lives in terror that they're going to do something that they weren't supposed to do That was completely pretty much arbitrarily chosen by some Dude from the 31st century. They still are ties and lab coats in the Hypothetical people who got put on trial and they successfully argued their case and they're like, okay We'll put you back in the timeline then but watch what you do. Like imagine the terror you would feel every day for the rest of your life You try and explain to your friends you guys those day, you know what? I'm not gonna try I remember what it was So uh kang in episode 6 he gives them kind of like a choice. It's like you could overtake You know the tv a and rule it for me, right? Or or you can just kill me and let the multiversal war happen Where millions of people die and everything and the answer is actually really really clear. It's like hmm. Okay. I have an option of No free will in the entire in all of reality with incredible suffering and genocide murders because that's what the tv a is doing Which is like an unfathomable evil versus A hypothetical multiversal war that kang is saying is going to happen in which We could just let happen have a chance of surviving anyway It's like a no-brainer in the decision of what you need to do Shad the true the true no-brainer is talking about it Wait, he's got a point we should listen to Or you could you could just kill kang and then instruct the tv a They're so focused to be to just let all the branches of the multiverse just happen But go into each and everyone and just kill any kang that pops up Yeah, that can be there. That can be there one person. Also. Yeah, right The reaction is Loki at the end. Is it because he There's a big problem. There's a big because selvi sent him to a shitty timeline for some reason Oh, that's even worse. But before we even get there, right? Loki is legitimately saying hang on. He's kind of got a point the tv a which is like the greatest evil organization entity that like not only in the mcu I might be one of the most evil things that I've seen in media, right with how And then look he's like They kind of got a point and then right when like he gets beaten just so like the climax, right? The big final battle with confrontation with kang He just gets fully Palmed off by selvi and just kicked out of the main the shit out of him And then get sent back into the tv a and then when he's in the tv a He actually acknowledges that Defeating kang was a terrible mistake Giving people their free will back was a terrible mistake and I'm watching this thinking. Oh my goodness Are they actually through the Oh, yeah, I know right it's like Like they're trying to through the expression of like you say that, you know It's okay to take away people's free will if it's an end goal that we feel is justified and stuff And it's like I feel like the mask is slipping a bit right in someone's ideology and what they portray here Just give up your will to the collective When he presents the choice and she's like kill him kill him kill him kill him I was just like well Well, can we just talk for a second about what even choices mean right now and where even though what is happening What is the framing of everything and then what are the things I was talking about before I was like What if we grab the most intelligent selection of people across time get them all in this room and we talk for a while About exactly what the best thing to do is what if we just What if we discuss this like adults? crazy Come up with a decent solution for this fucking nonsense. That's just been dropped on our heads out of Nowhere We have all the time in the world I've seen people say like well no silvi wanted revenge. I'm like, I feel like your revenge has been reframed into like It's the whole fucking universe multi-versy time. We fucking everything But she's got to get her fucking revenge because it's a Oh, I understand you're a little bit upset, but we're dealing with the fates of every single potential life in existence of I want to introduce you to your woman's old dealer. You're gonna be The same fucking thing your son's just being killed, but it's all about me. Yeah, why didn't anyone tell me? Oh no, um, I posted the link by the way for anybody who's uh, okay, uh, and the final like ending in episode six has potentially One of the biggest contradictions in like the MCU world building at the moment depending on how they'll show It's been resolved in season two and it's that Loki appears in the tva And it effectively is showing that the timeline within the tva has been changed They don't remember who Loki is which is a huge massive contradiction To the fundamental rule they're establishing endgame is that you can't change the past You just create an alternate and and it really looks like the tva has had its past changed and you know The statue is different now and they don't remember who he is And that's such a big contradiction on the world building. Oh, I was I was having a fit when that happened Or are they in a different mold to it? Is he in a different mold? I was almost gonna cut this conversation off. So it's like we guess we we don't know exactly what they're saying is I know we don't know yet. I I mean i'm Yeah, the answer the only way that they could fit in with the world building That the rules that that'd be contradicting already and other things but the the golden rule that So far the tva has been operating in was the rule that established in the endgame is that you can't change the past You just create an alternate reality And so the tva that Loki appears in would have to be an alternate reality tva It is so in different timeline where something changed in the past And the out and the actual tva that he came from with owen wilson who remembers him still exists I don't think that's what they're doing. I know I I really think I lived I think a black man eating an apple was uh frightening Terrifying he said terrifying. Sorry terrifying. I don't want to defend them But they did show a scene of owen wilson and body positivity time cop I think that was the previous tva that he was at and then the next thing black He said He said body positivity I said body positivity time cop And uh, yeah, and then the next scene it was the different tva. I think that's what they were trying to do But they weren't specific about it Can I just say keng just seems like some guy He is he looks like he's just like some guy. They pulled off the street to act. I don't know if he has like a He's a clown if he's done other things He's a class. He's a classically chained clown A classically chained clown I just like I I guess I expect more from the The the cringe He who remains bullshit Like I like this thing is just some dude and like oh that guy over there We we need someone because the real act the actual actor we got he got sick with coronavirus So we have to get our just a guy you you look like you fit his costume We need you to act just say these lines and eat this apple and just do fucking whatever it doesn't matter He's supposed to be the guy that orchestrated everything in the universe. Just like I don't You know how they call it I he who remains And the next season someone's going to say to Loki in episode one She who remains because it's going to be female Loki who's calling all the shots We will female keng right? We'll get a female keng. Maybe probably I feel I just I feel like Tolkien would have written him a little different Maybe Yeah He would have put more he would have put more I'm looking at his IMDb and he was in that really hot show loved craft country, which was cancelled after season one Is that a point or I guess a lovecraft country was very important. Oh, okay I mean, I mean as one of those important shows not not one of those good shows good shows Yeah, I guess it's uh, this is the part as much as I don't give a shit about keng or any of that I was cool with his performance. I kind of liked him I'm kind of interesting seeing what he would do He was quirky I will nah, I'll push back. I think he was I think he was good I I liked it what little I was even though I didn't like what the actual they were talking about I thought it was awful Overdone terrible hated every nanosecond of it I think he was he was trying really hard to be like goofy and and and quirky and stuff But it just felt really forced and awkward. Well, he did say my Training as a classically trained clown Helped me Helped me in that scene and I'm just like What a retard I I didn't hate but I had to burn on the close caption and understand what he was saying It distracts me when thinking about a wider context like if it was just some random guy, I think I'd be fine with it It's it's mainly the fact that I'm supposed to believe the guy who's in charge of everything. Yeah He wasn't malevolent. He wasn't scary. He wasn't particularly interesting There was nothing there that made him think and like, you know thought about any of this either He's not particularly intelligent is where I'm going with that. Yeah, he just Yeah, it's it's his reason for quitting is so fucking dumb the whole thing so fucking dumb The exposition is as basic as basic can be don't ask questions. Just you're the only one Well, someone in chat said imagine a kang that was more like andrew ryan and i'm like, yeah That would be like fucking sign me up Oh, they'd ruin it, but you know, they would totally ruin it But like at least because because his idea is this is the other thing I don't know if we talked about this but Your kang you do all this for ages and ages and you're getting kind of bored and you go You know what? I wouldn't mind two loki's deciding whether or not they want to take over or kill me I'm going to generate two from the timeline that can get here through a contrived nonsense plot And then they can decide and I'm going to cut off my ability to choose what they choose Right up to when they choose so I don't know what's going to happen Then you can have someone to be like well silvi might kill you right because she's like super mad Is that interesting? Isn't the tva there to do what he's fucking bidding so kang can go fuck off through what he wants If he believed by the way, he makes it sound like he's just going to eventually come back By the way, like that one like he will be reincarnated because the timelines will all just flop around and then until they eventually do the exact same thing They did the first time and if that's your thought why are you doing any of this? How is this interesting to you? No, I think when they killed him He was expecting that all the bad kangs are gonna appear and when he says I'll see you later He's referring to you know because he says my You think I'm bad wait until you see my variants. Well, but so what was implied? So maybe I read too much into this and this isn't the case But what I thought the the problem was was you're generating the same situation We had in the beginning and what ended up happening was one kang took over And erased all the other timelines and ended up being the one we met and that that would be the inevitable conclusion again No I guess similar ideas to him, but it's not going to be that specific No, I don't yeah, I didn't mean I didn't mean it that way. I didn't mean like When he said reincarnated that's kind of what I was assuming is that the kang who ends up on top will be there again Yeah, yeah, no, I think it's gonna be a completely different kang Um, the the kang that he was was the result of the sacred timeline being enforced and the whole purpose behind it Was to maintain only his existence which happened because of the multivisional war though Yeah, this is where the comic head canon comes in So we're assuming because it didn't give us his name. He was mortis, which is the final kang like the boss kang and uh, there's like a rama tut kang and there's kang the conqueror who's the actual villain and there's nathaniel richards Uh, but they weren't specific about any of this. I mean, we don't even know if we're talking about kang Because there is a character you can actually say kang. Everyone's cool. Good kag. The way to go to choice Well, what else can we call him? John I'm pretty confident the kang that's going to appear now is going to be a variant kang that he was warning them would We're obviously leading to an evil kang who's going to be the person they have to defeat in the next phase or this phase, I guess Yeah, he's going to be the new big mcu villain that you know Everyone's going to have to deal with it. I guess at this point it's like unclear who will be the It seems like they're going to have multiple big bads at once That seems like what they want to do blow their load all the time. Yeah, I don't know where you go from here. That's the thing I agree, but I don't think they recognize that that's what's happened. I think that they still think well No, there's still we galactus, right? There's still we like dr. Doom. I think that's what they I miss okay for the villain was just like, you know, a guy who wanted to take over the world's or like A shadowy organization within shield or something like that Guy who wants to take over the world I sure hope spider-man doesn't ruin my plans. Yeah. Yeah Well, yeah, I don't know. I mean like now it's just like you're talking about like people who want to control all of space and time and Yeah, the fate of the cosmos. It's like, uh, what's hawkeye gonna do against that? Like fire an arrow Yeah You're getting into realms where it's so far beyond what any Like I don't even want to say normal, but like what yeah, exactly It's so ludicrously over the top that like there's just nothing to compare to there's no sense of scale now. It's just everything forever Yeah It's plot madness It is nonsense. This is it. This is aquaman plot sort of just blown up to a cosmic scale where it's just fucking nonsense We have completely abandoned the pretext that cause and effect mean anything anymore Nothing matters That's why I said blown up to a cosmic scale because yeah I don't even know if I agree with that because maybe because aquaman's problems blown up just makes it like More events happen that are of the same quality, right? But like If you don't seem to be like linked to each other in any way They just sort of like invent a thing to happen so they could do with another thing like Contrivances or weird things happening to me is just on a such a Dramatically different scale than I'm fucking with how even things can work. Uh, I'm literally playing with the strings of the universe. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm Yeah, they're pulling in things from the comics where you didn't have to explain I mean it was the time when people were reading and it was just simpler It was they were for kids for 12 to 18 year olds and that's where like a nihilist came because that's one villain You could bring in that most people probably haven't heard of that could probably take on king But yeah, like introducing dr. Doom at this point. It would be anti-chromatic Hmm a nice and what? He died on a nihilist. Okay, a nihilist a nihilist. Yeah He's a marble villain from the negative zone But yeah, it's it's You're right like the the building up now that you have king this guy with godlike powers Who's just a human like galactus is just going to be a pawn of his somebody He could just manipulate or prune whenever the hell he wants and same with dr. Doom Technically those pruning and the teleport portals that they can make That technically gives whoever has that ability to control them the power to beat anyone You you should technically be out of prune galactus with a touch Yeah, they don't forget about these things though like in a couple of years this whole plot will be over And it will be like it was nothing. There'll be no reference to the tba. Oh, yeah, they'll forget about it I won't use the technology. It'll just be a thing that happened and is done That's that's all that's it's not gonna have lasting repercussions only in the sense that it destroyed everything But I don't get a season two And then that's that we saw it Yeah, the next writer who just wants to do their own thing if they don't want to even reference it or care about it They just won't yeah, they just won't exactly and we'll just move along like it never happened. Yeah Yeah, because the story that I want to tell in the mcu whatever that means the story I want to tell is Just doesn't have to involve any of that. So fuck it. It doesn't matter It wouldn't surprise me if we get another of this sometime down the line like five years from now There's another I could believe an organization that controlled the events of the universe and stuff Because remember they told us in uh, winter soldier And what are they what are they? I've always been around Oh, the Eternals is gonna be that's gonna be tough to explain that's more of this by the way Yeah, it's a lot more of this So um in winter soldier, they explained that like hydra sort of Move move pieces on the board of history when things don't go their way and they've been doing it secretly from Heinz Schiele Okay, and then tins out dracoff's also been doing that this whole time with his black widows He moves pieces on the board to whatever he wants to think oh, okay Tins out neither of them were doing any of that because He knew everything. Yeah, that's what I wouldn't be surprised. There's just some fucking other organization that the tv I didn't know about Yay When nothing matters at all Because they had some dumb fucking activists to write this show. Yeah I just would have preferred someone who's written anything like like that made sense Just made sense that we could gravitate towards that we could relate to that we could actually invest in but Let's get someone who has common sense like at all Who reads the fucking script a second time? Maybe Oh wait, this doesn't make sense You're inferring that it wasn't absolutely nailed first time. I mean the writer fucking said it's an airtight script. So Oh No, his skull is airtight. His brain doesn't get it Everyone must have mixed that one up It really is common sense I think the the quote word for word was that this script will stand out. This the time traveled mechanics and everything will stand up to scrutiny This is really like just impressively bad like At least looper was like just don't think about it. At least they had a character say that Yeah, at least they just yeah, at least they at least we know they gave up And they just acknowledged it and this is like no no no no no no guys. It totally works. It totally works Just today would stay with me. It totally works Man, no the type like the problems in this including the time travel are offensively bad It's amazing next level and I I really do wonder where these writers how they got their job And then not only are they very bad at doing their job. I bet they got paid a buck at Well, I think it'll work. Well, this makes this makes you happy shad Like a lot of a lot of the people who've worked on these projects are getting new deals to like produce new stuff Including original content which is so depressing and Shad the vest to be happier These the the standard in you know literature like just good old classic novels are so much higher than this crap And I I just would love to see them try and write and publish a novel and then get it right over the coals For the actual, you know standards people hold a lot more. I'm not saying old books, by the way There are some pretty crappy books again, you know Well, so what's what's funny is you'll have a kevin smith type be like, uh, you know I'm going through the same thing that these other things went through where fans are just being belligerent and naughty and ass holy My thing is still good Okay Well, I I think the problem is that the metric for success is very different Um, the metric for success is did like did it make money? Was it successful? Yeah, I put it saying that it was really good And then you you're fine. It doesn't really matter I agree But if the audience and critics school was like 99 or 100 over I feel like they'd be pointing to that and being like, hey look at that But when it goes low, they're like Fine Well, there's also vast difference of the contemporary media quality like In terms of tv shows look at all the crap we've been getting and so when you compare it to all these other crap people think Ah, it's just as good as one division or something else and stuff But if you try and write a novel it's going to be compared against some really top tier writers that are making great stuff Like bread and sadists in a moment or Patrick Roth was like just phenomenal writers Um, and then when people actually compare something that is garbage something that's actually quality Then you really see a big disparity and then that people get called out and then the reviews seem to reflect reality a bit more Wow, so the the the interesting thing what I think about like the current landscape is that we I think that there is an unwillingness to do straightforward simple but effective stories Nobody really wants to do that anymore Everybody wants to do something that's really complicated or really subversive or really Like they want to they want to create something that's multi-layered and of course You know, that's good and a lot of the best stories like do that But it's a lot harder But like if if there is no such thing as good or bad stories Then like it doesn't really matter how hard you work because it doesn't yield any results, right? I think there's a pro I think the problem as well is like when they're talking you're talking about how they want to subvert Storytelling and characters they want to subvert it in all the wrong directions Like they want to take classic characters that people really have always Bonded with and completely deconstruct them into something that's like Completely unrelatable And break down like their heroic qualities or their villainous qualities or any or all of that stuff so that Nothing really means anything anymore in terms of modern storytelling It's all just broken apart into this nihilistic Bleak mess I think the thing is is I would like to say that any that you can make any idea work And that there there is like a world where even deconstructing Luke Skywalker and turning him into like a hermit There's a world where that has to work But like It's really hard It's really difficult and it's really skill You could just do a really simple story where it's just like hey, we got character He has these good traits and then a few bad traits and he goes on a journey and then he his good traits are enhanced It's like that's simple story. There's a reason that the hero's journey has been this like almost timeless Device for telling stories like this because it really works It plays on like basic human psychology, but it's very very effective And I think you by all means you can tweak it and experiment with it and stuff. It's not always going to work Yeah, it seems like it's uh, it's a poison to them right now. They don't want to be touched Well, yeah, it's like now they they treat it as like we can't use it at all We have to just make up something completely different ourselves But you know most of the time they want to scale an experience to do it Also, I think um the mediums uh Allow you to get away with different things because I think with visual media like tv shows or movies and stuff You can try and hide a bad writing behind flashy visual visuals and spectacle land and hanging You know dangling keys in front of people with fan service and stuff to just you know get people hooked in with Hey, you remember this character from this kind of thing You like it now, don't you and so the writing can get hidden behind all this stuff that people don't pick up on how bad it is But when you take something that's a novel where it's literally like only the writing it has to be able to survive on Then it's a much harder to try and hide the bad writing then and get away with substandard quality Definitely write about that because the big issue with the mcu right now is that we've reached a point where it's like They have all the money. They have great actors and actresses and Great set designers and cinematographers and like visual effects and all of that stuff Can be very distracting from the fundamental which is the script which is the narrative Ultimately everything else is built upon that um Yeah, and that and you can't I know you've said this a lot times more but like yeah It seems like you can't buy good writing Because nobody really agrees on what it is Unlike acting unlike cinematography the only metric that going by is did your story make money? Well, yeah, that's the only metric. Well, I think it's just a problem of like Said this a lot as well But like writing is when you look at a drawing and the anatomy is shit and like it's just really unappealing There's some sort of like innate reaction that you have to that we're like, oh Like oh, I don't like that and it's the same with music if it's like out of tune or And it's just complete jumbled mess where it's just like physically kind of like oh, I don't like that but with stories It's more complicated It's not as clear immediately Like I'm actually like paying super close attention Someone said with what you're advocating for why didn't you like Mandalorian then it's like so Mandalorian is pretty simple But like if you look at season two, he didn't even have a journey He just sort of went from cameo to cameo until he gave a baby Yoda And I think that that's kind of an indictment on Mandalorian that it's so simple and yet it's so broken in so many ways Like a lot of the storylines in that are completely fucked as well But like it's not The same as something like a Loki or a Black Widow where it pisses me off Significantly I rather I watch Mandalorian. I'm just like god. This is so like unimpressive to me Um, well, I'm always going to piss people off more when you take something that did work in the past Like whether it's a character or franchise or whatever And then you twist it into something that's shit because there's that innate feeling of like you're just Capitalizing on other people's hard work and talent and completely fucking it up You know Yeah, like It's totally the master of the universe. Well, I guess you like that's exactly what they did there You could say they are shitting on the shoulders of giants Yeah, exactly Well, I think I think that's the thing it's like there is we gotta we gotta now the fundamentals first you you You can't expect to like get a gold medal in the 100 meter sprints Like before you even learn to take a couple of steps. You just got to build up from there um I don't know. I feel I feel like there's a there's an unwillingness to just slow it down and try and do stuff That's most or like at least you know establish your basis first and then start building up from there You can do like your super subversive show if you want, but like holy fuck Can we like at least figure out who these characters are and have them behave consistently with what we understand them to be Like let's get that first before we start figuring out free will and everything you watch the mcu. Isn't that good enough for you? I had to step out for a moment and I had the podcast playing on speakers and Bringing was talking about all the stuff that disney has they have the great effects guys and cgi artists and All the great actors and stuff like that And I think you might have left out the the greatest Incredible ultimate advantage that they actually have Which is an audience that doesn't give a fuck Their audience will profit anything Yeah I think with with you know what they've accomplished in the past with the mcu It's built up a certain amount of faith amongst their audience Yeah, and I think it's difficult to to shake that sometimes like you just then have this innate trust In in marvel like oh, they know what they're doing like what they're producing must be good because they've done good stuff before So why would it suddenly be shit? Yeah, so you almost don't allow yourself to think oh wait Maybe they've they've hired the wrong people or they're trying to push stories that don't work Well, that's an interesting point you raised Well, yeah, oh Is like in this instance people think that this stuff is like the best at 17. Yeah Yeah, yeah, it's gotten worse. It's gotten worse. This is a this is a bottom up problem If anything these shows are the symptom. They're not the disease I think I think I think it's on both sides of this like people accepting it Because the writers didn't have to make it so shit But at the same time they try they don't have to because I agree with you that they don't even have to work hard But like Jesus Christ. Do any of you have passions for writing like any of you? You know, it seems like to me that they have a passion for writing But it's like you can I you can have a passion for things you're terrible at That's true. And I think the people who are actually really good at writing Just end up going off and writing their own novel becoming success that way. They're very good at activism someone else They're really good at activism. They're experienced at it. Yeah, that's all they're good at It is interesting to think about the idea of what is it to compel somebody to create their own stuff versus like the people who are more interested in writing for established properties which is well, yeah, because I I'm Definitely the case. I'm guessing for you Shad and that's kind of for me It's like I'm not I'm not super interested in like other people's stuff And I think the reason why is almost because it's like well if you're writing something For a property that you didn't make You've got to like limit yourself in certain certain sense because you need to create something that fits in with what already exists you can't just like like You know, for instance, like if you have respect show You can't just you can't just like take that and then just do whatever the fuck you want Like there's a series that exists already that has characters and like a law that needs to fit into that but Then again, if you don't think there are such a thing as good or bad writing What does it even mean to fit into an existing universe? Like what does that mean? exactly and and there's a lot of elements to it as well because Choosing to write for someone else versus writing for your own when you write for yourself You you can write whatever the hell you want you have total freedom skies the limit You have the potential to be far more famous and successful and make a lot more money if you're actually able to write something half decent as well on top of that and Part of me just I have this skeptical kind of Side to me that one is like are these people who just couldn't hack it on their own And but they do like writing and they want to be called themselves a writer And so they just sell themselves to get a job and then But I think you know, there's the activist side as well that they you know Ticking the right checkboxes and that's what marvel has been hiring after as well No marvel has these things pretty much set up kevin feige is writing all this shit by the way He's like he came up with the concept for the sitcoms for wandavision So a lot show which is kind of awkward. I'm guessing though some of these ideas that he's come up with the tva It's like oh Yeah, these are kevin feige Well, I mean and they're pulled from the comic books, but without the context without the well, you know They came up with the tva After five decades of writing thousands of comic books like they're yeah the ideas are running thin So they're just throwing a bunch of shit in there But like pulling it yeah putting it at this point in the mcu, which is that still kind of its infancy You know, we've had a couple of good phases Uh captain america and iron man are now household names when they weren't and now they're dead And you have to plug in some new characters and kevin feige is a fraud. He's a fucking fraud There was people keeping him in line in the first two phases. They don't do that anymore and now we're seeing free kevin feige So, uh, you know, I just hurl mutter under the bus for all kinds of shit I think so the interesting thing is I think that kevin feige just has the ideas for the series And he doesn't particularly care what the stories are as long as people like them Well, I'm not sure they have this stuff Plugged in right and then they hire people that that looks they hire virtue signal hiring They're they hire bisha kaoli because she was a lord winning quote-unquote comedian and feminist And that looks really good to their peers in hollywood. She's barely writing anything She's she's a story editor. This shit's already written and they brought in the rick and morty guy to flesh things out But there's no show runners for these marvel shows, you know that they have no show runners because kevin feige is the showrunner So it is kind of a committee of feige He said what he said about um, the avengers not showing up in black widow and dr. Strange not showing up in wonder vision, right? Yes, yes. Yeah Yeah, it might be that i'm not super familiar because I Promise it's like it's it seems It's weird They have head writers and they have like directors for the series But the fact that they don't even fully know what's going on in the broader universe How the how do you She had no family until she met the avengers That was her family later Her films about a fucking family which is had for Since she was a kid. It's just like what? Well, that director who turned down the black widow job because they told her. Oh, you don't have to direct the action scenes We got Yeah, they People ready to do all the action scenes and everything like that. You just have the the scenes of people sitting in a room Well, but the thing is, man, the action scenes in black widow were crap compared to say Yeah, I don't think they had to be I don't think they had the a team on that one Oh, the only thing worse was the the loki fight scenes were worse. Those were as bad as as a game of thrones Sand snakes fight the fucking which was the worst thing I've ever seen. Why would you reference that while i'm here? I'm sorry. I'm not sorry Um, also, can I just clarify what I was saying before about because I don't think I was probably fully fair when I said, you know These people who are writing for tv shows are People who couldn't hack it writing on their own because there's been some really good writers and showrunners on great tv shows I think of oh, it's steven. The fat and so and some of the episodes he wrote for dr Hoon he wrote some really good stuff and so Clearly there's been some good and so clearly there have been really good writers in The tv shows and movies and things not recently though where they are now not recently. No, it was like, where did they go? That's a good question because I I think five six years ago tv was great Like there there was like a renaissance happening. I like I couldn't believe it. I'm like, holy shit This is gonna be fucking fantastic the next few years and then Well, I mean it does come down to this an election happened. Hollywood lost their fucking mind And they decided to hyper-focus on politics and agenda for you know, whatever reason there's Multiple conspiracy theories about it, but it's like the mask is off. They they've come out and said it They're saying things like we're not putting robert down a junior in because we're afraid a man will take away from the female role Do you think are you listening to yourself? I know that's amazing. What the fuck? I mean, we're afraid a man will share in our female protagonists horrible immoral guilt Why I feel like that's the the only proof that you would need the Story wise it demands that the sorcerer supreme would show up to a town being completely controlled by a magical spell And they need help he would show up and they say he cannot show up because he is white and male You're like, yeah, that is a strange job. That is his effing job to take care of that. That's what I mean It's um, yeah, exactly Like you could argue maybe a different circumstances that it's like a choice to go 50 50 But it's like no you you've actually damaged your story significantly now like that You're taking things to places that they can't go because you you you need them to go there and just like You know because we've talked before there's all kinds of motivations for why you might have shitty writing And it could be as simple as you want that explosion because explosions are cool This is just an example of like you want that's just strange to not be there It's it's like what are your goals and you know, it used to be that a lot of Well, it's like I think about examples like Model warfare 2 has a really bad story And one of the reasons why is because the priority in that game was clearly we want a favela chase We want like a uh, we want america to be invaded by russia We want in the white house and it's like that that used to be the shit way of writing It was like transformers one I want this explosion to happen in this place with these characters I want star scream to fly around and do all this stuff It's like well have how they get there shut the fuck up people just want to see the explosions Yeah, I miss michael bay. Yeah, I miss it. I kind of hate writing I need to clarify. I said conspiracy theories or I believe all that shit I misspoke so it's theories that I absolutely believe in that's going in that's going on in hollywood right now I just think it's multiple things at the same time because as you said there was a point where tv shows like I was I was right with you. I was like, holy shit tv shows are getting good They became like hyper iterative over a couple of years like in terms of they're relying on all of these It's like they've sank into a sense of we've got to hire the pay enough to the cinematographer guy and have enough shots That look really just so people can cream over make sure we get the actors crying Expert time per episode make sure we have at least two action scenes per episode so people don't get like fall asleep Like um, it really feels like there's a factory list now how tv shows are made and they're all fucking falling into each other Like I can't remember them anymore It's the sheer volume of them as well And it's all I guess the streaming services had a big part to play in that because they really blew up like Five six years ago Netflix really took off and then suddenly You don't just have like a dozen shows on tv that you can pick from or or 40 shows or whatever Now you've got hundreds Just getting churned out over and over again and yeah like the the sheer Breads of the the entertainment industry now. It's just so vast. You can't even begin to to watch half a bit It is amazing how much crap Netflix makes like 9% of it is just garbage. Yeah Yeah, well and they were able to do this, you know, I saw somebody on twitter The you know star trek's successful because they're making it. No, there's tons of investor money going Just loads of it right now because of these streaming services and the promise that one of them is going to break away and make you Billions. So yeah, you can churn out shit star trek for fucking shitty shows that are the worst of the worst For multiple seasons because they've got money to burn right now They don't have to rely on things like ratings or commercial value. They've got the money already So they're spending it all of these mild shows just came out and they've got the promise of so many more coming And then we got like those fucking like 10 or 11 star wars shows Like disney is producing a shit ton of these and they're all just getting done with the same mindset They said it is such a sludge like so many of them falling into well, you know Yeah, it's just like get as much content out there as possible to Your competition. Whoa, you need word content keep coming back You need people to keep and you're right. That is the word is content because the problem stories tend to start with an idea but like Marvel content it's like, oh no, these are like the projects and then we'll get the people to make them It's like the idea comes after the the the project It's like, oh, there's like armor wars. They announced that what last year now now there are articles like oh, we're sitting down to figure it out it's like What why would you say they're just doing a meeting right now to figure for the rules for the multiverse. Yeah Like Done it The idea comes after the project and it's like that can't be good results. That can't there's no way That's that's just not how stories come to be like You don't know that these ideas will work. You said that you were going to do a Loki show and you were like, oh, yeah tv It's like you don't know that this can work. You need to figure that out They're so big now like Marvel they can produce these tv shows and like if if the third of them flop Because they're absolute garbage It doesn't matter because they're making money hand over fist on everything else. None of them will flop. That's that's the thing Yes, they all made money Too big to fail at this point. Yeah doing an armor war show without tony stark I mean do it and all's it's going to do is deconstruct his character. It's going to be about all of his mistakes He's not going to be there to defend himself because he's dead Yeah, the whole wouldn't be surprised if he was going to come along and start shouting Why nobody told him tony stark was iron man Yeah, man rhodi would be held up as like the the iron man that's actually pure of heart not like Marge by all of his history, which is like well, he might well, he's in the military So you don't know about that. Well, maybe well, they could assassinate him. They could they could do whatever they want to him He's a black character. So they won't they won't do anything. They'll make him a soulful saint They fucked up falcon right like They could fuck yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true But they thought they were empowering falcon by giving him Hand-me-downs from an established white male character That's progress instead of you know, taking away from one of the earliest black comic book characters You know, yeah, who had his who was had his own agency And was a great part of the marvel universe that every kid knew they shit He had an he had an action figure in the 70s that I played with a little me go fucking falcon You know, so he already had an identity that they stripped away Because uh, they wanted to give him hand-me-downs I am curious if I'm ever gonna get used to calling in captain america. So I don't think it's gonna happen like ever For some reason they started calling him black falcon. It's like why Random guy in the show is like black falcon Well I just like the idea that there's a white falcon out there that we don't know about and they have to distinguish That'd be great. It just turns up in the next film. I'm like falcon. He's like, you're captain american now I get to just be called falcon right and he's like You know, I'm starting to wonder if other super heroes that have black in their title Are going to be allowed to be called that if they're actually, you know, white skin Will black canary be able to be called black canary in the future only black pan Black queen canary He was in she was in suicide squad, right? Yes. Well, there was a version of Yeah Birds of prey, you mean oh Yeah, sorry, I might I melt when I talk about the There's too much superhero stuff. I can't keep track of it Mola does the hot does the hot take have to is that To keep that quiet or Just a quickie Kevin Smith is doing his uh teela live stream And they've turned the comments off I told you I told you They've turned the likes and dislikes off and they've turned the comments They always pretend like they're so fucking proud of their work. It's so so like yeah, I'm behind this I'm I'm correct. Turn off the comments and the likes Don't fucking yeah, just don't fucking do it then. Oh, he's gonna His fat man streams are gonna be a shit show from now on Oh, fuck. They're gonna be a shit show Yeah So you can talk it people look if people are just gonna troll and say mean things then they don't get to have a comment section That's not fun. What's the fun in that these people don't do fun. They don't fucking This is this is Kevin Smith though, not this isn't just any motherfucker It's supposed to be the former king of the nerds who's been soy for 10 years But like that who was supposed to be able to be one of us He was one of those people trolling people in the fucking chat supposedly He was that smart He was actually a video from yesterday a 36 minute video. It's only got three and a half thousand views With the likes dislikes and comments turned off Comic-con video It's called Netflix geeked Masters of the universe revelation Comic-con at home 2021 Yeah, it's comic-con. Oh, they're dumb. Oh Kevin Smith's got like three million followers on twitter And yeah when he's posting about, you know Masters of the universe he's getting like 2000 likes Like I get more than that. I'm just gonna be hard for him to be passionate about that show from what I understand You know like yeah Oh, it's a hilarious train wreck Yeah, when you said three and a half I thought we were gonna say likes I was like, how do you only get three and a half likes? And the perplexing thing and this is the strength of the marvel brand is Loki's the same fucking thing I know I I know it's a different franchise and this is your childhood But Loki is the same story. It's we're stepping aside for the lady and you know, we were promised a Loki show And yeah, it was a female show Yeah, he struggles to keep up with it throughout the whole season He's just like wait Yeah, he fucking follows around like a fucking puppy dog and then he's kicked out at the end at the climax You know like we have this new thing in the marvel shows where our heroes don't fight the fucking bad guy We had uh, you know sam not wanting to fight freckle jesus And he has to let Sharon carter killer You know and then like vision who could totally take on anything just fucking leaves, you know You know like every man does he just leaves when he's needed at the end of Wanda vision It's fuck. It's bullshit. So we don't have any villains. We don't have any heroes. What the fuck do we have? Rufus Left with garbage top tea garbage, which is just depressing That's sad It needs to fail miserably that's that for anything to change That's my worry if we how many loki's would it take to actually make a difference? I'm like, what if it what if it didn't? What if they just kept Like I think I could see the movies going this road because black widow has been a bit of a disappointment You know and they can blame that on the well as much as they want But like it's it's dropped off a cliff after the first week. Well, so black widow is I think Shang-Chi will be interesting to that'll be the one The Eternals is gonna flop big time. I nobody's gonna give a shit about that Do a bet do a bet right now Well, I mean well, it depends on what our metrics are because if it's like do I bet it will make money It's like fuck. Yeah, we'll make money. It'll make its money back for sure. But it's like, what do you think drink it? We'll make this money back No, yeah, I think it will be a marginal Well, I think I think it's it's not gonna crack a billion. No way. I know. I don't think I don't think it will Um, I guess the problem is like when we talk about box office going forward It's like black widow is complicated because of the simultaneous release On streaming and then of course like just high quality, you know rips available and it's like, hmm The country's locked down Right now so they're still major countries locked out. They didn't release it in china They delayed the release because it's I guess during july it's it's uh, it's the 100 year anniversary of communism So there's all these patriotic movies and they didn't want to release it during That time so it's going to be released later at a later date, but they don't know I guess that's what I mean is like Shang-Chi is just in theaters So it's like, hmm that might be more interesting in terms of like it will be a really good metric to see what interest is Well, spider-man is spider-man will be the big metric, right? Like I feel like that one The spider-man right and it's got so many Yeah, people people will go out to see that. I'm curious how many people go out to see if they can Shang-Chi Well, yeah, depending on what's going on. Yeah Once we get captain marvel 2 will be protected to the high heavens like We'll make money no matter what they have to do to make it happen But this is the thing It's gonna be the worst Like like the guy we had on last week free fab like this There are a lot of content reviewers and stuff that think Loki's phenomenal Like they review it and they say like this shit is so fucking good and like it baffles me But at the same time it's like so You know If that keeps happening Yeah, yeah, like what do you do? That's what I'm saying is like I don't know that getting more Loki I think we get more Loki's people just be happy with that. I don't I don't see that people be I don't know and I guess that's what we're getting to I don't know what you have to do as marvel to fuck up anymore They need to flop at the box office Solo flopped lost money and they freak it out. Yeah, you're right. Yeah But I think that well solo solo flopped mostly because of TLG So you're gonna need a super divisive, you know, movie that's going to split the marvel fan base apart Yeah, I think so what gary's saying is like if one of them flops, then we will see a paradigm shift But what will make one flop that's complicated like to get I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure because at the moment I think the marvel fan base at the moment are still in the phase of They have fallen in love with the characters the MCU and so they want to like things and they go into the you know Watching these bad shows or looking for all the ways they could justify Why could I like it? Oh, even if it's one small thing. I want to like it And the force awakens vase That's an interesting point that will force them to I got the big think um I think because avenge all of the movies that came before avengers were like pretty successful Iron man was was successful and like Thor and and captain america were moderately successful But like people did like those characters and then when they came together in avengers and it was really great That was like what propelled the MCU Yeah, well sure, but I guess is but I guess the interesting thought is like They're clearly going to be building up characters for like their next Avengers thing. I guess the question the question well, so that's the question right is um Would it be that an avengers movie Where people just don't give a shit about the characters that are in it Or they don't like them and then it doesn't do as well as I expect is that where it starts to become like Yeah, we're not bearing fruits here. What's the big difference between Then and now who built up that MCU that led to the avengers wasn't Disney It was parents the MCU becomes the dceu Yeah, yeah, we pride the acorn but the acorn is rotted and shit And so the tree that there's fruit so people are excited about oh, what's this tree going to be? But then it's not what they wanted. It's not what they thought they wanted and I don't like these characters Then what happens and people start losing interest do people start losing interest when these characters they expect to go somewhere Interesting you can't because these characters are just devoid of Of like an arc that can lead them to a place that will be good. They're not moral Or they don't have interesting characters or they're not allowed to grow or they're not allowed to fail or lose Or you're not allowed to bring in fucking male characters. Like what what happens? Well, it's just an idea of like do you want to watch an avengers movie where there's no iron man captain america Maybe spider-man won't be there either. Maybe Thor won't be there. So I hope who would be in that Well, we've seen we've seen what this did with the comic book industry Like marvel in comics has gone exactly down this path where they've either like killed or You know drastically reduced their most popular characters and tried to replace them with these soulless You know alternatives that nobody is taken to and so their sales have fallen off a cliff But I guess that's the question is will people because the problem is I think people It seems like people have really taken all wonder. She's finally coming into her own being assassinated Oh, Sam. He's really coming to his own being assassinated. Oh, Loki, you know, he's really doing well being assassinated and it's like mad Do you got like what what do they have to do? To pitch you off Maybe another shiny light maybe if they're distracted by something else that they like I don't know for reference by the the guy who we were talking to about the sort of assassination thing His main reasoning for why he liked Loki in the show was I've seen him be a villain I want something new Right. So is it just novelty at this point? We'll not be Yeah, yeah, in sake be what it don't want to be too insulting, but it's but I guess that's the idea If if novelty is all you want then marvel's gonna be fine If that's like what people want because they're doing new characters and new new Oh, yeah, there's no limits to the stuff you can do with CGI You'll never be bored. They can come up with all kinds of crazy wacky shit for you to clap at The the most frustrating thing is they have passed up really good stories that could have built up these new characters and Still respected the old characters and if they just stayed on their the path that they were on before They would be making money. Nobody. Well, most people wouldn't be pissed off And it would be limitless. They could do this forever, but they got in their own way They got in their own effing way because the agenda was the priority What's kind of interesting to think about that right because you could always have these characters like pass the torch and everything That could always be the easy way to do it The torch gets passed on In a respectful way that the old character bit in a way that cements the new character as a new iteration Um instead of just pillaging what came before and being like this is mine now. I made this It's like you made this I made this like it's kind of Happening though. What yeah, so what happens is maybe there isn't like a last Jedi moment Maybe it's what drinker just said just like what happened in the comic books is the the readers just went somewhere else manga You know as fucking happy as they've been waiting for this for decades for american readers to to embrace their storytelling And it just took american comics taking a big shit and they just Eventually just fade it away. They quietly went away and like i'm gonna read, you know one punch man or Fucking my hero academia. That's that's it and that that was the end and what's hanging on to the market right now Because it has the the comic book industry Less than 200,000 people in america actively read comic books. It's more like a hundred thousand people in a country of fucking millions 100,000 people is the comic book industry right now and he used to sell in the millions That's a complicated question though, isn't it because there's like that probably Because I would agree that there are the the factors of like what's happening in modern comics right now But it's like how much of that because the industry crashed hard core in the 90s Like it's never recovered to that point since the 90s It had a recovery after 9 11, uh, but never up to the 90s which were inflated a little bit But um, yeah a little bit. Yeah Like selling a lot well the speculator market and they had to do a lot of trickery to keep their the industry alive, right and But it still formed the basis of the mcu. There were still some really good storytelling going on till about 2012 we'll say then that's when things started going south like really south And it had been around for decades and these are iconic characters that that's part of the fabric of our country That uh are just slowly being eroded now spider-man is insignificant Like he's an insignificant character and he was the best character in marvel without a doubt and they fucking destroyed him slowly and It's it's left. Well, I feel like you think there's an element of like these You know, do you think there's an element of like the comic book industry? Sorry, the the comic book movie industry is starting to run its course Yeah, you know every genre has its time, right? You know, westerns were the thing back in the 50s and the 60s you had war movies that had their decades You know, is there eventually gonna come a point where it's like, uh, you know people are just Beyond it. Yeah, I don't know what could come next but like it could Do people eventually just get super hero fatigue and they're just like I think the problem is people have been saying that for a while people were saying that in 2014 when they saw The slay in 2000 that was saying like man, it's already getting overblown and now we're getting more content than ever and people are fucking thrilled Yeah, I don't I don't see it as it seems like marvel has superhero fatigue Just on this note just on this note, right? I have loved superheroes my whole life and I've never gotten fatigued Do you give me good superheroes? I'll I'll consume like I love superman when I was a little kid and And so it just gave me good stuff. And so I think it's gonna be here to stay But in terms of the quantity that will vary depending on how much enthusiast Yeah, I think when I look at my own reactions to it now, I feel like it's it's it is that marvel fatigue That I'm experiencing. It's like, okay. What's the next generic like, you know Well, yeah, because if another thing came out and just like I was by the studio That's this the first outing with a director and writer that are really passionate be like, oh, I guess I'll give it a shot then Yeah, it's from marvel. You know, it sucks. You know, it sucks dread came out at the wrong time If something like dread came out now, it would be Fuck yeah Call it and deserve more time as dread Yeah, I know and look at that. That's a really simple story Yeah, very simple. It's stuck in a building. He's got a face. We out and kill the bad guy easy Simple story well done. Yeah. Well, I did When you look at all of these ideas on paper The like just the descriptions if you look at just if we just take the marvel shows post in game When you look at the idea for wandavision falcon and the winter soldier and um Loki Loki and What was the other one black widow black widow? Um When you take all of these and you like the ideas themselves, they're all pretty different from one another especially loki There's no reason for these to feel like they're all just sludgy in the same. No, no, absolutely Why are we different in terms of their their concepts? I think that's the interesting part like I think I get why drinky you think like oh, yeah It's like western in the sense that it's like well, it is this genre I guess it's just the probably the difference would be that there's more that you can do With superhero because it's a much more base template than western Like what means these specific places at these specific times Whereas like superhero you could have a superhero western or a superhero like the acting story or a superhero You know people are still trying to push the The bar with superheroes. I for myself. I loved invincible. That was out on um on amazon And uh, and so I think people are still trying to make new things make See there's interesting angles that they can take and so Well, yeah, you're not gonna get it for you're not gonna get it for marvel I I think you will get it from you know, like this is Warner Brothers is dumb as hell No, no, they're dumb. It'll be independent. Come on. Maybe I have more hope for dc right now that I do for Why? Um Because when you're when you're behind the wild cards, like they will try anything Exactly. When you're trailing behind you'll be more experimental. Uh, I imagine so we might get it's not going to be superman Or bat it'll be something like it'll be an offshoot or something like that. Yeah marvel's Way too concerned with china like marvel too concerned with pg Having that pg thing is gonna like a pg blade. Who in the who wants to see a pg black widow The issue with the issue with marvel is that they have they have to appeal to everybody Or at least that's what they want to and again you appeal to everybody you appeal to nobody Well, at the same time though tossing the garden to the galaxy to james gun That's like one of the best decisions marvel even made and it's you can tell that they did that They probably did that with a sense of like if this fails. It's not so bad. It's a bunch of weird characters from a weird thing Yeah, that's that's the issue is they don't they don't I think Guardians was their last risk because ant-man kind of proved it's like oh, we can't fail like everything money money back. Yeah And now they've reached where it's like almost a complacency like yeah We can just keep doing this and it's almost like yeah because dc is like people just don't like well Less people like dc at this point Is almost like oh, we should we need to catch up and it's like dc can do a joker You know, they'll do like hey gives this director 70 million dollars and leave them alone I wish marvel would do that. I wish they would do that But the problem is we see you creative person do something That's the issue, isn't it? We sit here and it's like Deadpool's part of the mcu now It's like is that ever gonna is that gonna happen like are they gonna make Deadpool 3? Would a disney gonna do that make Deadpool 3 seems unlikely you sit there and it's like Well, it's nice. They keep saying they're gonna do it. But like what does that movie look like? How do you make a Deadpool movie when you're Would surely he'll say damn Yeah, you can see Ralph Reynolds in the film turning to the camera. I would say something really naughty right now But this is I don't mind making that joke once but if you make such a whole movie because he literally can't fucking swear Yeah, the interesting thing on genre genre, by the way was because we only recently saw birds of prey It was terrible. Don't worry, but um When I mean rags talking about it and rags referred to it as comedy And I was I was so blown away because of course I didn't laugh in the film at all And I was just like what what is birds of prey genre wise and I check Wikipedia and it describes it as a superhero movie And I was surprised because it's on the genre. There's like one superpower in it briefly That's about it. And so when she's what that made me realize was like whatever Like this is the thing about superheroes a genre if say for example We were about to re-enter the age of sci-fi sci-fi is making a huge comeback It's like well superheroes don't have to go anywhere because they can just be sci-fi You're like, okay. Well, we're having a huge like the just the gothic genre is coming back So again superheroes can just mold into that. I agree more van Helsing. Yep. Hell. Yeah My point is just that um, I feel like superheroes are never going to go away. They'll just maybe not be Yeah, like they can always keep going and this is the thing We all I feel like superheroes just we've talked about this before but just great Individuals with great abilities. Like man, that's that's a constant for human stories. I think isn't it? It's our mythology I mean Star Wars would qualify for superheroes. He man qualifies as superheroes and one sci-fi ones fantasy No, like that would probably even qualify if you want to call that that superhero story I mean, yeah, all the Jedi's like, yeah, they have telekinesis. They're all mutants Like If you really want to go I take glee twilight is super heroes And the yeah, the other thing that interested me as you guys are talking the Description of dread right really simple and then you go describe to me Anything from phase four pick out of the four of them and you're like all right Let's start with Wanda vision like well, so So Wanda through grief is stuck inside a town that of her creation were Like a lot she's cast a spell by accident Let's put everybody and you're like you can barely describe it without the person being like what the Saying a woman mourns the loss of her vibrator. Yeah, there you go. That's the simple vision Um move on to falcon with the soldiers like well in the post ad game world You've got many people try to It's like terrorists who want to stop food from being delivered to certain places How can now becomes massively eras terrorists who want their free shit back They but they didn't deserve terrorists who don't want who don't want the state. It's like wait, what? What terrorists who think you can move a border with a phone call I I do love that we talked about that on the stream But my fucking god the idea that you can just move the border and the people who live in that area Will be cool with not being sin Mexico Moving your border back Listen, okay, it's important Yeah, I'm gonna change of address forms. I don't live in Croatia anymore Yeah, but what's important is that you need to do better Yeah I'm a black fan in the stars and stripes. What don't I know? By the way, I don't know how to fix any of your problems You need to do better When you because you practically describe the complete story of dread and just a sentence meanwhile It's like describe Loki like there's an organization that controls time and space and they prune timelines in order to prevent the sacred timeline from getting Too disrupted into the point of a multiversal war and Loki gets caught up in this well a variant of Loki Who eventually meets up with another variant of learning. He's like shut the fuck up I don't understand Isn't isn't there I mean, uh, isn't there some kind of formula formula if you can't do it the one minute pitch It's not worth making Because I've heard that somewhere before probably 20 minute pitch right there. Well, it's it's the idea It's almost the idea of like if you if you can't summarize your own idea very Uh swiftly you need to go back to the working board You need to figure it out because you don't know what it is really It's like what am I describing as a tv show and I can do it in two ways vampire detective You're like oh sounds kind of okay. All right. Yeah, I know what you're talking about You can immediately get like I can think of lots of verses. Okay, so Uh russians developed mind control and an army of people to take over the world Uh, but at the same time Education of women the mind control gets released on one of them and her sister is an avenger Which means that they go on a huge adventure to There's just no way One where it's just like a man who creates weapons is hurt by his own weapons So he turns himself into a weapon to stop the bad guys from using his weapons. Yeah Yeah, exactly a lot of weapons, but still that's a weapon And of course captain america's a real straightforward one a scrawny man who wants to stand up for the little guy becomes the big guy and stands up for the little guy I don't mean they used to honestly they used to tell character stories They're obsessed with like when they were creating these are like tony stark a man's story We want to tell these days. It's like low-key a product. We want to use to sell a story Captain america a little man goes on a big adventure Gentlemen, I'm gonna have to uh, unfortunately head out now. I love it. I believe you it's been Lots of fun. Um, I'm gonna go pass out. Do you want to tell tell people about game night? Tell people where you are shad. What's up? What's going on? So so I got a new channel guys called game nights and um We do a lot of uh roundtable discussion reactions game reviews and stuff And we actually did an episode by episode roundtable discussion on low-key as each episode came out with a lot of Spicy hot takes and in your face commentary a lot of fun guys and so go check it out If you haven't already You're planning on making another video hating on this show. Is that what you hope not? Oh, I've already already did it. I like it I'm he man. That's the one. Yeah, the he man is the next one that's coming out and I'm Oh, you're gonna do a video for you man Yeah, well, I'm actually tempted to do one on shadow diversity because It's a special spot for me. All right, but um, if not, it'll definitely be on game nights Well, sweet. Um, I'm up there in the thing. No shads channel is in the description as well as game night will be there in a sec Um, oh, it's wonderful to have you on sir. Thank you so much. Especially with such an awkward timeline for you and um Yeah, I I don't know whether to apologize for low-key or for he man You know, I feel like they're both just blights it on your life. Well, uh, they are they are but he man is Uh, a more sore spot for me even I'm so upset about that guys You're gonna be okay, buddy. We're gonna be I'm mega pissed about it Mega pissed about it, dude. I I love team man as a kid I love the show all the characters were great including teela. She was fucking great If it wasn't for teela, there wouldn't be a she-ra today Um, because she was popular with both uh males and females Um, and then when I saw that fucking monstrosity yesterday I was mad. I was just mad because it was not only just a lie But it was but it was a complete another fuck you Um to all the people who did love he-man because it was just another big fucking Far lefty ideological, uh fucking third wave feminist piece of fucking shit Which is infecting every single franchise that we love nowadays and I'm so fucking sick of it Founded by the fucking sellout kevin smith. Yeah. Yeah, it's horrible You know, I had like the original he-man Like film where he meets she-ra for the first time called the secret of the sword on vhs when I grew up And I just would watch that thing over and over. It was one of my favorite cartoons growing up behind me And in there are my original he-man and skeletal toys that I played with I was a kid And so yeah, what they've done to he-man is like this is this is personal to me. It's like it's all unforgivable Yeah And even if I didn't have this, you know, kind of emotional connection because it's one of my childhood heroes the show is just Oh, it's so bad Tealer is the biggest Hidious woman. Oh, this is horrible horrible exchange between episodes one and two Oh, I can't believe how bad it is So yeah, I'll be ranting about that one. That's for sure Don't worry gary in part six. I'll be driving around in a U-Haul who and a girlfriend Sorry, I was Sorry, I was distracted somebody jangled somebody jangled keys in front of my face Oh What are you an MCU fan? So are you guys ready to check out someone who believes the show is Not sorry. I don't even want to understate this. It's what marvel needed What oh, so this Loki is exactly what marvel needed Oh And they they gave the fans not what they wanted but what they needed. Oh, I'm sure kevin's going to use that line I have no idea by the way what's going to entail in this one But that is quite the claim after it's funny anyone who's listening to this whole conversation up till now being told Actually, Loki is what marvel needed to be like, um Everybody's a lot of opinion. That's cheese. Sure one's allowed to have her opinion regardless of how Let's let's see what they go. Let's see what's up This video is brought to you by brilliant So some of you may have noticed that with the exception of last week's black widow review I haven't really covered the MCU as much as I used to on this channel And the reason for that is pretty simple after it being such a major part of what I was covering on here for years I found myself feeling a little burnt out So a lot of weeks if there was a choice between talking about marvel or covering something random that I'd never talked about before like Narnia or Invincible I decided to just pick the option that I found more interesting Which is why I wasn't really going out of my way to talk about these new MCU shows But Loki caught my attention in a way that the previous show didn't and even if I might be a little love how in that Little clip he said he was going to burn this place to the grounds. Who was that? And it's kind of funny because he almost implied there. So like Wanda vision and falcon and soldier They were kind of math, but Loki that's something special Almost like, you know, in some ways you're right Well, he is A little bit late to the I wanted to spend this week talking about the show and how I Just really helps kickstart a new era in the marvel cinematic universe Oh, and of course, this will include full spoilers for Loki. It doesn't matter It's probably still matter. Nothing matters I did it. You'll get pruned if you put too many spoilers in Unless you were meant to put spoilers in Oh We'll talk about it. It was okay. It's all good I did last week's negative video on black widow with some stuff that I did like about how could you not like Yeah, I don't get it. How do you like black widow shit? But so was Loki and I'm like, how how do you like this, but you hate black widow? It's like actually it's kind of the thing. I want to ask people like what actually is it Why is this good and this one bad? Who's we're gonna find out in terms of at least half of that answer? But I just yeah, it's it's you just feel like throw them all in the bin as far as I'm concerned Get them out of here be on black widow with some stuff that I did like about it So maybe I'll flip that around and start this one with some reservations that I have with Loki as a show The biggest issue is I just wish there was more of it as your average More of it. I would think there's many people that share that opinion my friend. Oh, yeah We really gotta get more of content. That's the attitude for content. I just want more give me more I just need to be needs to be more content Even though it doesn't matter. There's no sense of cause and effect and nothing fucking matters But we just need more. I just want to see more actors saying more lines We're gonna slap people in school for creative writing lessons to be like end your story They go no, I want to leave a teaser end your story Go home. I'm writing the sequel 22 to 13 to between six and eight episodes I think we're slowly losing a lot of what makes the medium special the corner of the fact that there's more of it The medium special because there's more episodes of it. What are you talking about? The idea would be that like what is the point in telling Doing a tv show if the amount of content in the tv show is not that much longer than a film It's like use the format to tell a bigger story or or or at least a more involved story one of the two But I love that Loki just a huge city to go to the canteen and then an office Yeah All of these MCU shows they're they're all overarching stories. They're none of them are episodic. Like, you know It's not like a different adventure occurs each week They all tie together into like one story that runs throughout the season if you talk to the right person They remember Loki that way they say like oh, it's a cool show where each episode Mobius and Loki gone like they go to different places and do different things like that happens once This is like some weird mass delusion honestly, I didn't notice it where people are coming from They make up whatever the show was and then they forget what it was and they don't watch it again But they remember it being 10 out of 10 Maybe they just watched the first couple of episodes and They're just saying it to be part of the party. I don't I don't get it yet Like this shot this establishing shots pretty much the only shot we get of the tva They don't even go back to that it and it's just a small show I know and it's just a jumble of nonsense this show Like I can't even tell what i'm looking at here doesn't look cohesive It looks like someone went too far on like a rendering software. They were like, I'm gonna hit control Yeah It's like the the fleet of like 10 million ships and I walk or yeah You just lose all sense of of scale and significance to it They hit the end of the card. They took the same ship and copied it like 10,000 times when the federation shows up And it's just the same fucking ship It's like Jesus. That's really cool. The easiest fucking render. I've heard well remember when they did it with the star destroyers It's like, oh, that's fantastic. It's so amazing. Wow. Have you just got a death star on them? The corner of the mcu that loki inhabits is really interesting the corner to the bram with potential stories stories that kind of solidify That's an interesting way to describe like all of time and space so you can tell some stories with that It's not the corner. It's the fucking corner stone. It's the corner The corner of time and space What do you think the fucking kitchen looks like? Jesus Christ or the living room Huh Y'all are crazy five the supporting cast better than the show was really able to do with so little time to work What's supporting cast there's like four people in the show So he thinks that it didn't do enough, but it also did like maximum with the time that it had Six episodes at 40 plus minutes like Longer than a movie. I don't know. I'm just saying And like we were discussing like it's so fucking flabby and badly written you could have done it in four episodes I Might even say less than that if we You know when hero episodes when he um All that time he spends fucking with mobius escaping fucking with the agent Fuck you know with the infinity sounds going back and watch it It's like we could have cut all of that and mobius just shows him his whole life Yeah, like every episode has bloat in it. It's uh, but I don't think any episode can compare to episode six It's like the bloat's embarrassing in there Great example for be the relationship between rent slayer and mobius To me that doesn't make sense to you you you showed loki his destiny right at the beginning Wouldn't wouldn't the plan be to to actually have loki develop and change throughout the course of the show And then maybe when the tva is in disarray towards the end He finds the the the film which actually shows what's happened to his life And he's made all this Growth and change and then sees what happens to him. Then maybe goes right What if this is what change and growth does to me? Maybe it's time to be fucking badass loki again Yeah, wouldn't it have been awesome if he'd watched that tape and said I won't make his mistakes Yeah, no, he's like if he's something loki would say. Mm-hmm. Yeah exactly No, but like right here. They're talking about the most boring relationship in the fucking show Like I she left at the end and I forgot I was like talking about the show a couple days later I'm like, oh, yeah, she left and never came back off got free And they get very emotional with each other about their long relationship And I'm just like I don't even know that what you guys Experienced wasn't just written like are you don't even know your names like keng Well, yeah, I meant like did it actually occur or was it not because you know, they get their minds erased and then they get replacement memories Right, yeah That's I mean there's layers of fuckery in this queen rinse layer and mobius We're told time and time again that these two are the best of friends. So when they turn you're right We are told that a lot. Yeah, it's not shown it. We are told it all we get. Well, that's what they say, right? Tell don't show. That's like one of the key things when it comes to story Yeah Yeah It's a big moment But with more episodes to build that relationship to see rinse layer and mobius working side by side And solving problems don't have these characters taken up all this time Or just don't even do it. You don't need it. Just like focus on god forbid loki Yeah, well, that's the thing I didn't need this payoff of those two him being like, you know what you killed me and she's like Well, you betrayed the tv. I don't care about this You're both terrible. I hope you both die horribly in fact you both In a in a surfing accident In a jet ski accident Yeah, I love her how her retort in that scene is like you betrayed me because I've stuck my neck out for you Like in the past and you let me down It's like yeah, you let you down because you found out that everything you were doing was a fucking lie And then you murdered him like if you're going to try and balance these two things out I think the scales are tipped and you're like in his favor like She was another it's another tila Everywhere, man, then he just fucking accepts it and it's like oh well, she made a counter argument guess about her Shut the fuck up then Because god forbid I would come up with a rational argument No, you missed the part where she he tries to hurt her and then you like fumbly falls over and is like, oh Uh, just a great example of the idea that characters are only as strong as their writer I'm just a pathetic uncoordinated jet skier pretty much Problems together it would have harder emotionally. I think and in general He won that story engine for a tv show that they could have done a lot more with and hopefully still will Oh god, just I don't want him to do anything else. Well, it's too late. Everything's broken Season two That issue aside though I was pretty on board with Loki from the start the issue that a lot of marvel stuff on tv can have Is that it kind of ends up feeling like the downsize version of what we get in the movies Not just in terms of the production budget though that too sometimes just in terms Why did you show? For that instead of showing me like makeup and flying through the air, which is obviously cg Yeah, like I don't use appropriate sometimes you're baffled by the choices of imagery Does mean that show in general or Like I don't even agree with this like I feel like these shows the budgets of mega high production values huge budget budgets They have huge budgets. One division costs a fucking hundred tons 12 billion dollars. Well, let's put it this way I I found the cgi and like just the general production to be better In falcon winter soldier, and then I did him black widow black widow. Look excited. Oh, yeah Yeah, black widow is One ugly when it talks to modern movies my that it is ugly That's not a 200 million dollar budget. I know I don't know what happened A lot of just all the compositing and all the big action scenes just looks like ass From what I understand there is a broader issue in the visual effects industry where Companies are always vying to get the lowest bid in like it'll cost us this much to do it No, we can do it for less than that and because they're constantly trying to underbid themselves They reach a point where they have incredibly cramped products and schedules overworked And and then it just has that issue the technology is better But they don't have the time to use it to make it look good But then you wonder with this movie because I had a a year delay what what happened like Why didn't you just spend that time doing something to fix it? Maybe that avalanche scene was all the coke they bought Carrie Fisher wasn't in this movie Come on as you've got Yeah, didn't pull walk and die before Well, you know, I don't know what the rules are here. Okay. I didn't carbon date them Movies not just in terms of the production budget though that too sometimes Just in terms of the kind of stories they can tell Loki doesn't have that problem. It's taking massive interesting swings and not trying to limit massive That sucks to hear. He basically just said like the thing with the tv shows They're never gonna tell like the stories of the movies. It's like man You you need to have a better storytelling for tv shows. Yeah Yeah, it's like worse stories or better stories or how was that in any way a meaningful thing that you just said I certainly do not like the implication that tv is inherently inferior to film. They do different things They have different priorities I mean theoretically since you have way more time in a tv show you would think that you'd have a lot more Just sheer space in order to Tell more it depends right on on like scope or of course if you have a story that you you can tell in two hours Like the father, you know, like there are stories that are better served shorter and stories that are better served longer Yeah, and the fact that he said like Loki's the one that proves that to be not the case. You're like, wait, no Watch more shows. Watch more tv shows Come on massive interesting swings and not trying to limit the consequences of them Loki taps into somebody trying to limit the consequences. How'd you limit the fucking consequences? He ruined it. It opens with resurrected. You made everything like if by limiting consequences Well, maybe if he means by limiting consequences, you made everything in consequential. Yeah Good job That I think often makes fun genre tv making the stakes both incredibly huge and Personal at the same time. I mean in the show Any other tv show I don't even know what that means. Why is it? huge and personal Huge and a lot of stories through that. That's not unique. We also found out that it was entirely Impersonal Kang didn't take this personally at all. He was like He said he's explicit and she said it was personal to me, which is the classic response to that Yeah, um, but yeah give me a story Love story between the low keys It's like you see what makes it personal in endgame when I'm added the snap It was it really wasn't a personal choice for him Like it was just a general one, you know the same for a hang one of it and also just his puppet No, why he said I did it anyway, so don't fucking mind I think it just sounds good doesn't it to say it's a huge scale, but it's also a really personal story That just sounds like um, you are loving the smell of your own writing Oh, yeah, I mean I know he's still kind of doing his intro But yeah, like so far he's not made a single substantive argument for any of this. I can't say we can expect that to happen but You know we could hope Selfless in the balance This is hardly anything new in a comic book based story But I think what separates when that's done poorly and when it's being done well Is the more personal for the dark world is better than Loki Well, he but he just said when it's done well and showed Thor the dark world and I know for a fact He didn't mean to sync that up with well So like can you please get this synced better? It feels like the visuals are um delayed or something or like they're out of sync slightly Because when he showed the falcon like flying after saying the CGI it was out of sync as well Like I think he's just off by a bit braids when that's done And when it's done well is the more personal stakes that the story is able to attach all of that to Loki presents us What are the personal stakes when you find out that nothing fucking matters? Yeah This this this uh this showed More I guess more thoroughly than anything else. I could imagine destroys any semblance of personal stakes You can't have them. Yeah, like if not this show, what did destroy personal stakes for you? If it wasn't this one characters who seemed unnecessary by the masters of time itself Sylvie especially has been a variant since she was a child And has never been able to live anywhere But in the small pockets of time that exists before a place is completely destroyed How did she learn that early on? Wait, I got no idea how she figured that early on that's a good choice. I should chill her Was ten a lady or whatever they're called and then um She worked it out because she's amazing The bestest Loki ever if you can teach yourself magic at six you could probably figure the rest out Yeah, how does a six-year-old survive living in doomsdays and then teaching yourself magic and Not having any mentors or anything. It sounds a lot like ray Surviving on like this horrible desert planet by herself another beloved character. Yeah They just do and that's their explanations. They survived. Well, how it doesn't matter. They survived Well, that's what leads to the Personal storytelling Exactly exactly. Yeah Hmm So when they come face to face the personal storytelling basically mean you have to make it up in your head to make sense There's a lot of that Your own personal head canon for it to make any fucking sense. I feel like they leave gaps in the storytelling for that now So that people can make this shit up and hopefully help them out in post Yeah, you want it to make sense. You're a nitpicker Yeah Always had to live that way So when they come face to face with the one person maintaining that whole system They have extremely different reactions. And I think that made the finale feel earned and also Because characters are different reactions to a situation it felt And Reacting to what they were told by a guy at a desk without with showing like some little Fuck no And it's not just that it's how they got there think about how do you earn the fact that you got you thought you died But said you got transported to a death planet And then you see the evil cloud monster that devour space and time you kill him nice and quick And then you go through another portal to a castle where there's a man and actually he's the big boss And you stab him in five minutes Like how 35 minutes How is any of that earned you raise a good point rags? How is it that you have characters have a payoff because they believe in different things? You kind of should build that up over the course of a story With little tidbits like in a really good movie that I watched recently Even if he was to argue that like it's because if he goes on to say like so interesting because of the lives They've lived the lead of this point It's like doesn't that diminish the fact that kang Appetitied their entire life to this point so their choice is already like does that not make you think for a second Like you're gonna have to make a very meaningful choice here like oh my god And now as of now, I am not controlling you so go ahead It's like but I have all the same history that you controlled so like Still me Does what I mean like like To me I'm almost like kang surely you know what's gonna happen if you knew like all of us up to this point You probably know what we're gonna do Yeah, because he's driven the emancipations. He's driven their personalities given their struggle and tribes Yeah, see this feels like a situation where you needed either to just have one loki whose life had been manipulated by kang so that he was balanced and that he could go either way and so he understood both perspectives Or have two loki's who might have opposing views, but they're perfectly like They're perfectly opposed to each other And so there is no there's no easy way to divide it But they just have a fight and then she just punts them into a different dimension kills kang within seconds Which is actually not what kang wanted. He wanted them to choose not for one of them to take over and choose Exactly. Yeah, but then Maybe that's what he fucking gets for getting two loki's to try and make this decision because he's an idiot Instead of like, oh, yes, I'm going to find the two greatest most Well-read Philosopher types that I can possibly find and they can have this long in-depth Discussion about it and I can listen to both of their points and dot-to-dot. No, I'm gonna get two fucking loki's to do it Like why Just roll the fucking dice. Just save yourself time and flip a coin. He was bored of this He just got bored. He's like, uh, stop me or don't You What an antagonist inevitable I guess I am just jumping straight to that finale But that was definitely the part of the show that I was most impressed with instead of Who are you? All right, I think this guy's quite easily impressed my things again. There hasn't been a single point made Well, we're only a third through Yeah God, this is where I mean this one's this is a good old-fashioned classic video essay just over 10 minutes You say nothing. Say nothing at all. Yeah, is this gonna be the mic zero of the the mcu world? Well, this is common. This is everywhere on youtube I was from mark before he hasn't said anything. He hasn't said anything And he hasn't he hasn't done a single thing. He's just yeah minced words to make it sound as if he is saying something But he's not saying something. He's not saying anything whatsoever. He's saying I'm going from grand to personal and it's me. Yeah, it's nothing every there's nothing is meaningless dross coming out in the mouth at the minute Yeah, it's all completely unsubstantiated You just move on from one point to the next but there's nothing to support anything that you're saying you're just saying This was earned. Why why was it earned? Why was it earned breakdown? Why this was earned? We've talked about it before but these videos are almost they seem designed for validation Like they can only work that way because if you know if someone in the audience right now Really liked Loki and they heard me say Loki's phenomenal because of the character interactions development as well as the incredible soundtrack And I love what they did with all of their ideas. This is a show for ideas They have so many they start out with just such simple concepts But then they keep developing them intermingling them and then how it fits into the mcu universe is phenomenal But I don't support any of that. That's that's my video You're just like, okay, and someone who likes a show will be like, yay Yeah, but you know if you want to do that you can just talk to a mirror and talk about how great it is and be like Oh, yeah, I see you agree with me exactly. Yeah, it's so superficial. It's just on a superficial level The people who who just think they like it who haven't thought about this whatsoever just go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah ideas Well-earned. Oh personal yet grand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a fuck off. Shut up You're not saying anything Joe that I was and you run out of time instead of ending with a grand battle Which we do get a little of the show's finale mostly consists of a long conversation a conversation that Yeah, it's a conversation. No, like a conversation implies that two different parties are like Exposition concepts. This is exposition. This is exposition. We've heard before a lot of it is But we're basically worked out anyway Uh, the already had to really say is I'm from the 31st century and I'm a big knob bed and Well, why bother with any of that when you're not silver you end up killing me. So just do it. Yeah, there's no point really Just about let's just get to it Quickly illustrates the difference between these two characters Even if they are technically the same person to me that was pretty smart writing instead of a simple small writing Smart writing nothing about this show even approaches intelligent The director didn't know there was going to be a season two until she sought the credits Smart writing Let go from the show. Yeah, because she's oh my god. Oh my god It's a mess and And I've just found out there's a season two Um, I can't wait to watch it as a fan from here on in And like It's amusing to me as well that he's just complimented two people from completely different backgrounds They ended up making different choices to be that's good writing. That's smart writing Again it always we've said this before about a couple of careers It's like oh man, if I was making a show for you, I feel like you'd be so easy to get you to love it I I know how to make characters make decisions that are different from other characters. I know about that one No, that's I mean that's fine You know two different two characters with two different ideas fine No problem But the point is the way that the character of Loki has been written throughout the season Even though he's got a contrary point of view to Uh to female Loki and says hey, let's listen to kang as opposed to her just wanted to stab kang He has shown nothing But deference to her throughout the whole of the episode and he even defers to her in the fight Because because he stops fighting and says I just want you to be okay So regardless there was only one decision that was ever going to win through anyway Yeah, he values He values her like happiness over the entire multiverse in terms of like runs and everything. Yeah Yeah, even though it was just fucking matter a day ago You're weirdo. Yep And I'm sorry she's you Thin revenge plot Sylvie and Loki are driven apart because they see the universe and Well, she is her her entire storyline is the definition of a thin revenge plot. Yeah Revenge is because she got pruned and he just said they see the universe in fundamentally different ways It's like it's not that interesting. She wants revenge and Loki's like wait, maybe we should talk about this That's it. Yeah, the multi-persons at stake. We might want to you know He's treating this like this is a huge fundamental difference in principle that represents like you know everything that they've been through Was characters like no it doesn't come on You know what? Loki doesn't even try to argue an alternate point of view or a different course of action He's literally just saying I want you to stop and think and then you make the decision by what to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Okay, I've had a think about it. I've had a thought I want to stop him Well as long as you're happy That's all I cheer for you. I'll get out She life not trusting anyone and hating the tba So it only makes sense for her to outright reject the proposal of the man who created it Well, she didn't reject the proposal. She engaged with it. He gave her two choices. Yeah That she engaged with it by killing them The sad part is that she's not smart enough to realize that there is such crazy shit on the table here That there's so much to talk about in terms of mechanics, but she's just She's too narrow-minded and selfish and narcissistical That it's all about her petty revenge story for getting prune when she was six Just after she had taught herself magic and how to make jesus come back from the dead He's really sprucing this up as best he can but it's just it's not content that was in the show. I'm sorry Because our love who is more cautious and wasn't shaped by those experiences and has always loved the idea So if you if you hear the dichotomy there, he's he's talking about how sylvia is somebody who doesn't trust, you know And she's gonna find it really hard to take any stake in the tba. Loki on the other hand He's kind of different character. He had different experiences. Like yes, Loki known for his trust of everybody I'm trying to destroy new york And it's funny to me because it's just like she has so much more reason to just not have anything to do with the tba And I'm sitting there like do you see what happened in episode one? Like Loki fucking hates these people The idea that he's gonna be like chill with them I don't know what like so annoying of the man who created it Where is our Loki who is more cautious and wasn't shaped by those experiences and has always loved the idea of having real power Is more inclined to take over for he wasn't his motivation. It wasn't this motivation You miss you make this up. This is your own head cannon It's not he's explicit Oh, we should be listening to him because there might be something to it. That's all he says I fucking wish this was his motivation. I wish that he said dude, we should use this power. That would be fucking awesome Yeah, he's just like No, it's fucking cringe. That's what the actual motivation is You're on the corner. All right, Loki. Okay. He wants his blanky back Just get it Blanky back the poor guy just he's cold the ice giant is cold Is more inclined to take over for he who remains you can think her choice to kill him is a stupid one and Yes, it is stupid. She didn't think about anything. She just went there. Fuck it Yeah, like if there was a reason why if I got some reason why other than My revenge revenge I'm going to kill you. I'm upset with you lord of tibet space There was never a discussion in any of that about the value of free will and letting people choose their own destinies and fates and You know, is it worth the cost and what's gonna happen to us and we have to forge our own path and blah, blah, blah There wasn't any of that conversation. There was just a shitty fucking sword fight and then she stabbed him and that's that And like that's all that's the that's what your season was building up to that horseshit And like you don't care and guys these people love it. They love it It's so good And they invent all the shit the character writer that's not there Because they they it's like they remember a show that never they didn't even watch insane Yeah agree with still a choice that feels perfectly in line with who this character is and I respect the writing work that We need to earn that decision Speaking of characters, I should probably talk about owen wilson's turn as mobius a little bit more because it was kind of surprising At least to me. Honestly, when it was announced that owen wilson was going to play a tv He's got like a weird fucking filter on him too. Yeah film grain filter I don't think he's doing in this uh, this shot quite a bit. That's why yeah, that too I just say uh, it's a bit of a cursed low key. I don't like him on my screen Oh No, I thought he would phone it in not because I think wilson is a bad actor He's not but just because it sounded like kind of a thankless role on paper. I mean, it's not like mobius What about that seems thankless Also, why is this in your 10 minutes of limited ass time to talk about how good the writing is Because he knows he's been working in bollocks That's literally this is always this. Yeah, this is always the most superficial crap that you talk about It's like oh the performance of this actor was great Like what can you do with that? It's it's kind of subjective. Like that's nothing to do with the rest of the show That's why you got fooled Because the actors are really good at their jobs Which is how people like you who are simpletons get fooled. You're giving him more credit He he didn't just he went I thought it was a good to be good acting, but turns out it was good acting That was a good way, baby. Wow. I was wrong expectation subverted Dynamic personality on the comics page, but it turned out to be It's also it's adapted. You have no idea what to expect. Why would you think he's gonna phone it? That's such a weird fucking Because he's seen Owen Wilson go And he thinks that's his real personality Might be the breakout star of the show Wilson brings to maybe us an affable every man sense of humor that plays well against the ridiculous every man sense of humor Here's the problem. These characters It these characters shouldn't have every man senses of humor Everyone's just like a goofy person in this world and it's really starting to grate on my fucking nerves It doesn't make sense to me that anybody would be a normal person like because you can't when you're operating in the What we were talking about earlier. Yeah, this this line of work that they do and this environment that they work in You can't be a normal person and do this job for the tva When you're dealing with like, you know Conflict eradication of universe. Yeah on a universal scale across like multiple realities You can't just be sitting in an office just being an everyman just an average joe Did they ever specify what the criterias are which which variants they take For their work because I think they only tell us. Yeah, you were actually your variants like oh just like any of them Which one do you take? Probably, you know, if someone just goes off the breaks makes the wrong coffee. They just go Yeah, you can actually start working for the tfa tva at this point Well, they they mind wipe everyone as well. So I guess you could wipe out their personality So again, it doesn't matter what sort of person they were before they wiped out the fucking personalities of the writers Oh Low-key mcu in general, but it's more than just oh god. No, not one. There's a melancholy to wilson's performance here That absolutely enhances the fairly basic character arc that he has on the page the revelation. Oh, he's just wasting time He's just To that 10 minute march. Yeah, holy shit. Yeah, you want to get those two adverts in bro, don't you? Fuck me. Cool. Look at the character arc what he goes from I think the tva is good to you know what they lie I like the fact that he wore a lighter colored shirt with a slightly brown off-base jacket That was a really nice. It's just wasted. He's wasting fucking time. No, you love doing wilson Really? Wow Human life before all this is honestly, right? It's a black and white now He's just mucking with the filters It's so irritating. He's just fucking mucking around. What is this page? The revelation that he had in normal human life before all this is honestly something that I saw coming from a mile away But it still worked really well I saw it coming from a mile away, but it was great It was completely predictable Dude, I guarantee he was like, you know what by the end of wilson's program We're like, it's so sad that I used to have a life and the tva took it and then he sees that scene He goes phenomenal Yeah, I'm just saying he didn't get to write a jet ski yet. It's so good. Yeah That's gonna be the last shot of the last scene in the Loki series is Owen wilson jet ski He's gonna stand on it. He's gonna stand on a pier and look into water's jet skis just goes like Wow Then row credits If he doesn't write on his jet ski across the water towards the camera winks and says kachow I'm gonna give this a zero out of 10 The thing that I saw coming from a mile away But it still worked really well in large part because of what wilson brings to that role What could have felt like lazy stunt casting ended up really working in loki's favor here And the rest of the cast is really So really that whole section was just him saying Owen wilson had a good performance Yeah Because because all of it was fluff he was like I expected him to not have a good performance And I expected that because he was playing a character that is more of a bit part However turns out he was actually a good performance. You're like wow Nice. That's what I think about how much time to that way that's that's That's my Keep it going solid too. Both of raw's performance is rent slayer probably won't get as much attention as the leads Or the big guest star in the finale Oh my god, and she was just because the character was less important and she I just hated her though. I really hated her What did her character bring? What did her character bring to the show? Nothing Yeah, she's just a zealot basically and then she All right Yeah, she gets off. She doesn't even get her comeuppance for all the murder that she wants to still continue to do I thought she was great. She really needed to give a performance that kept the audience on their toes going from Why To kind and back again over and over when was she ever kind? Oh, she wise when she wasn't killing Owen wilson. She just drank a drink at one point. That was nice When was she ever a character? Yeah, she's like Yeah I'm I'm curious how this is going to tie into why marvel needed loki I mean Are is girl boss and female loki likeable in any way in any moment of the show? Did you uh, I'm finding them endearing. No, I mean not at all they don't they Female loki isn't even nice to loki like fucking once She capitulates to him a couple of times But he has to like he literally at one point at the end right before they're walking in the castle like bows He bows to her like when she's like shut up. I was pruning thousands of years before you And she and he's like yes, I'm sorry for speaking And they just held hands and and then chunted the the purple vapor dog Yeah, and this one's like you are no threat to me They just have more sympathy with her Of this is trump's power and spells and she just turns around and goes shut up Shut up I'm what I need I need time to prepare myself because I've been like pruned thousands of years before you Stop I need a moment. No, they're fat. He's just like yes, my lady. Yes My lady The fucking alligator was was more of a human character than she was the alligator who didn't say anything Wanda vibes from her like we can't we can't punish a certain type of person Like when she like her world isn't shattered by this incredible revelation that the time lizards are robots It's fucking lame But she just like oh we still gotta keep doing what we're doing even though all that we're doing is like Something's clearly wrong here. Now. I still have to keep murdering Timelines. It's like oh, so you're just a psycho evil bitch and you need to die No, she gets to leave Because Owen Wilson shows up with a knot gun That is so funny that she showed up with a fucking nine millimeter. She'd be dead Guns they get shit done Talking around That is like the perfect slogan for guns they get Shit done Like imagine having someone far away Right he could travel anywhere right get an oozy you get a fucking oozy and just You know what's funny as well right when she kicks his ass and she's standing over him with the pruning gun Just ready to go and he's like oh do it And she doesn't like if she had done it She would have just sent him back to that dimension and he could use the tempad to get right back into her office Yeah, because yeah, because if you prune an agent when they're holding their tempad they can just come back Yep Well, that's how he got back in the first place like a female locator brought a temp pad with her, hadn't she He could have sent her there He could have opened up a portal right where she was standing and sent her there Yeah, you could just get a portal there. Oh god. It's just stupid Now it would have been justice for that biatch Absolutely, the thing of the amount of people she's sent there with no good shit I think it's probably easier said than done for most actors Oh and as much as I hate to complain about black widow again I think there's something really interesting about the fact that Loki the third marvel disney plus show this year Sets up probably the next five to ten years of the MCU on this It's bad that you destroy your world building and then you use the destruction of your world building as a pedestal for 10 years of content That's not good. You idiot Jesus Christ Any any fool with a microphone can make a living on youtube. I swear to god Really? Yeah, it's kind of humbling Yeah, a little bit well because when we even asked the guy we had on last week about the whole free will thing It wasn't even he like the first thing he said was like I can understand why that would annoy a lot of people We were like, yeah, you probably can And black widow sets up I don't know the hawkeye tv show to be clear. It doesn't need to set up anything That's it. That's it. We did it. We've reached it. He basically just judged the quality of the show by what it sets up next Yeah, I've done it. Yeah or how many products you can get excited to consume. That's how he thinks Loki's good We're done folks This is the style of fucking argumentation the analysis the quality it's all about how many things did black widow set up Only the one but you know what Loki set up like 10 years of things Yeah Fuck that. What about the story though? How about we have like a normal Fucking story once in a while. That's like contained in itself and makes sense and doesn't need to fucking set up 17 000 different movies He's right. Fuck that age of ultron is better than avengers because age of ultron set up a whole bunch of movies Yeah Avengers only set up Thanos boo. That was it Cringe I mean avengers Remember he described this as this is what marvel needs it needs to set stuff up constantly Why doing this? It's gonna make everything worse No, you don't need to you you just need to have another story with some good writing Oh man, it's funny because like I haven't seen this video This this was wrong because I was tempted only by the title that this is what loki's I got marvel needed We have all that discussion over the consumer mindset and then he literally uses it as a as a standard of quality what it sets up Damn, dude. Well, all I've heard in this video, which is now six minutes 37 is um nothing nothing elwyn wilson does more than go whoa And set up new marvel consumes for me to consumes the consumption era To be clear, I wouldn't have any problem with that if the movie was great. It's not like I'm judging these off of So why bring it up? He's trying to get 10 minutes to leave him alone. He's just got to fill the fucking video But he also you can tell he believes that shit. It's like look he's all set up stuff I don't think he believes anything in this video No, seriously, I don't think I don't think he does I think he's just worse if he does because he hasn't created a single point in seven fucking minutes Yeah, as which is why this was actually good good acting Yeah, wow Look the video is called Loki is exactly what marvel needed and he always said his own wilson good Lady good that stuff up And set us right. So he said it sets stuff up. That's one thing he said in seven minutes Well, wait, he also said but after that, you know says he doesn't count that as an argument for Quality so You guys have forgotten he said there was two characters who had different opinions on a situation. So true. This is like Basic thesis no, no, but that's common tree. That's not what marvel needed Well, this is what what i'm getting to referring to anything that he's saying We have you have to establish if that if your title is if your thesis statement is loki is exactly what marvel needed Then you need to establish that marvel was lacking something Yes, and what loki provides Here's a thing at all, but it's also just the thing that marvel needed to fill that hole Exactly. He hasn't done that. He hasn't done a single thing It's all the video's also got the thumbnail the next marvel phase I think the title and thumbnail are irrelevant of the video with captain midnight I think he does that shit later He's like, what's the what's the best eye catching title? I could be wrong Maybe he'll try and tie this all together by the end But um, loki is exactly what marvel needed is quite a catchy sort of video. It caught me, you know, i'm here. I'm watching Wow, I just noticed they did the aria stark knife move where she uh, we're flooring Don't give her ownership of that ray did it first Oh, i'm sorry ray did it first and like if anybody knows how to fight All you gotta do is kick your left fucking knee out and that would kick that knife over to the door Eh, but what the people in these movies don't know how to fight They have to stand there and wait I was like, I'm gonna stand here and wait for you to catch this knife and not move I think this move is specifically designed to make normal people go. Whoa That was wow girls can stab too As long as they have a totally still and compliant opponent they can do whatever they can do anything You can do when you come with how lazy and tossed off that movie feels in general It really makes it seem like loki was the important but this isn't lazy Loki's not lazy at all rags. Not at all. Oh, okay. All right. Remember that big conversation we had about the wheel building That was phenomenally detailed. The one that destroyed it. Yeah, which way would lazy Or the second time or all of the times Oh, okay That is a good point. Well, it was more of an afterthought But I guess I should probably talk about that setup a bit more All right. So even though he wasn't technically playing king here Jonathan made just performance in this episode got me more excited to see him than anything they ever did with thanos What That yucky loser they pulled off the street was better than thanos Actually fuck off Okay, this uh, this guy's a clown. We just edited to farcical You are a fucking clown. I just thought you were like, you know, grifting for a 10 minute video. That's cool We all do that, dude. We've done it from time to time. Don't worry about it But this guy's now just turning to a fucking clown show Fuck it. He's the whole fucking circus Fucking better What are you, sorry, let's have a look at that quote because I want to get a pick a doll I got her Jonathan made just performance in this episode got me more excited to see him than anything they ever did with thanos pre infinity war At least he said pre infinity war. That's better. That's slightly better. But still Even then Are the audience at the galaxy? Yeah, that's got me so excited. Look at that Thanos and guardians was way better than anything can even begins to watch Yeah, that's true Like I see Thanos on that chair on the space asteroid wherever the fuck he was And I'm like, oh shit, this guy means business I can believe that this guy is like totally gonna ruin things that this guy is it forced to be reckoned with And I see keng and I'm like, this is just some guy Saying this is saying this is not threatening Like this guy works at a gas station like a shell station somewhere You know, like Yeah, they set up fucking thanos great Especially in guardians because you had ronan and he was badass in that movie until he got into captain marvel turned into a ballless cuck, but uh, he was great in that fucking movie and he was like, you know talking back to thanos and I loved it. You call me boy Yeah That was good. I mean ronan is like pretty thin to me, but I still like him like he was he's Yeah I liked I liked the zealot kree. Yeah, that was fucking good. Good. He's a threatening guy Even at the end he was fucking hilarious with it Well, he just he functions, which is more than can be said for what we're getting right. What are you doing? Oh, at least until he's the captain marvel and then like captain marvel whipped her dick out and he ran Yep, he uh, he got remember he was like we will return one day and he's like for the weapon He goes for the woman Oh my ronan, I don't think you will Nope I know some people thought he went a little too over the top here and don't get me wrong He went big with his performance, but I think it was the right choice given the character That's because he's a clown. I don't get it. How is this the right choice given the character? This is the master of all space and time You know this reminds me of and all the cause of those This reminds me when they said uh, this reminds me when they said in that video We watched that jesse eisenberg's lex luther like that was the perfect thing lex luther needs as a modern day billionaire of a tech industry Yeah, like that's what they were like. It's the perfect choice. You just said like that's the perfect choice It was not the perfect choice Where's brian crance to get him in there? Lex luther, you know, yeah, yep. Yeah, richardy grant should have played the fucking kang Just this old Very cool. Yeah. Yeah He's this old sagacious wizard type this sage in his castle all alone for eons and eternity And he's just depressed and he's sad And he just wants to be done with this and he and he's just so he's so done He's mr. Music This is a character. It's meant to be done. I am done looking after the state of my line I am bored. I am had it. I've been doing this for god knows how long I can't even remember You know and I'm mincing around dancing and jumping on things eating a fucking apple Looking like I am a fucking clown How am I as a as a as a an audience member meant to feel what this guy feels I I actually now really like the idea of mr. Music's being the the one who remains just like I Like pressing I I envision in my head this alternate version of kang where He's so, you know, the emperor on the golden throne, right? You this kind of he's almost like he's trapped here He's trapped in this castle He feels like he's a prisoner of his his self-imposed duty And he's just withered away and he's old and he's like begging them to either kill him or take his place You know, like I need you to do this no one else could do it for whatever reason You're the ones who have to do this and he's just like please just fucking end this I have to It's gotta Like a million times better where he's like he's like both monstrous and pitiful at the same time Then you get like a conflicted view of the character that would be interesting But that would require a little bit of thought and creativity and that's not what this shows about Just dance around eat an apple like a fucking weirdo Yeah, and I'll be great. You said he puts your gun on the table and I can imagine him putting a gun on the table and the Loki's are like, what's that? You know, and what does that do you could honestly if you spend a long time on this get some really cool lines about like You know, they could talk about the concept of loss or damage and stuff and you'd be like, do you know many wars? I've seen Do you know like the proclivity that that man has Look how many wars I've started. Do you know how many wars that's how do you know what I mean? Your dad and children I've killed That could be a haunting line like he considers it his duty, right? And he's like I've killed more children than you've ever seen like they go Or could even conceive of and you'd be like, whoa, and he's just like, yeah because There's so much to fix but like they hired a clown to dance around talk about how he needs to die You know, it's interesting to think about like if he if he you know, like if you've got sylvie there Going on her revenge thing would be interesting if he's like, you know, I've seen a lot of you like, you know You're not special. You know that right? There are a lot of people like you Like all over throughout all for every, you know Every every one of you who thinks they're special. There's a thousand more who think they're even more special and someone chap actually brought up something really good that I like this idea of like Indiana Jones and the last crusade you have the old knight at the very end Trap in that catacomb guarding the grail Yeah, you know like that kind of vibe where he's just he's He's just physically frail and weak and he can't even like do what his task is to do There's so many Like all us losers on the internet coming up with way better ideas than these gajillion dollar Script writers can and we're doing this shit off the top of our heads All right. I know I see a thing. I gotta disagree with something that was said earlier though I think it was you drink. I'm sorry drinker. I love you Um, you said that they're getting paid a lot of the writers getting paid a lot of money for this I don't think the the writers are getting paid a lot of money for this at all I think they've been hired on checkbox and fucking low rent That's what I'm gonna say that. Oh, sorry. Whoever said it. We'll blame it on um I'll take it if you want on on shoddy because he's gone. Oh, yeah, he's gone. There you go It was shad that said everybody it was shad It was shad it was shad all along Oh Yeah, I I don't think these writers cost a lot of money at all. I think that's the uh, oh, there's definitely a dime That's I think they're cheap and nasty Uh, and figy thinks he can control it all by saying Hey, we'll do this for the first part right around that We'll do this for the second part right around that and we'll do this for the third part right around that I mean This this writing was fucking garbage in the show on that thought of the um Like the old knight sort of thing imagine they did come into this room And it is he's like a hunched over little machine of some kind some kind of sci-fi thing where he's clearly like weaving And the idea is that he's he's weaving the timeline In like a microcosmic so it's kind of way and like silvi like runs up to kill him And she can see that he's like this super old and pretty much a dead person anyway And he could just look up at her and smile or something What are you just in a bed? Just a four poster bed with the with the uh like blinds down So you couldn't actually see into the bed and met you could just hear this like machine was just like Pumping oxygen into this creature and you could do this wheeze of them Yeah, go with a more technology based theme instead of just lull magic Yeah, really like this like he says it went from the 31st century So like super advanced machinery And he's just on some kind of he's like Locked into this chair. Yeah, his hands are on an orb or they're in some sort of mechanism Or he's got just something that's covering his head And they have to be the ones to like lift the visor off of his head And now he could finally like see the actual world that he's in and his eyes are just like milk like dead eyes Like milk eyes Like he's blind, you know like the like the The archetype of the blind sage who who's like a a soothsayer Uh an oracle of a sort we better stop honestly Well, you could have him be blind But then have a bunch of like paintings or stuff that he made Just like on the wall because like he's got to find some of the parts that are really shitty because he can't see Oh, you know, I like that. Oh, I'm so you can do that I know you're going for it Yeah, I that is a funny joke, but I like an idea of him being incredible Fucking stick man That is a That is a very funny joke But if we were trying to be serious, I'd want to be really good So that like it's clear how much time has passed. He got really fucking good He doesn't need to be creative. He doesn't need his eyesight to see I mean, that's uh, anyway Off his head and he stands up and he's like, oh fuck. I can't remember where I left the table He's just got a huge erection In his nightgown His story changed significantly He touched him And it pays off Loki in the train saying I like a bit of both When it when I said finish me that wasn't what I meant It's just a story by the way. We still have got a better story here. What's the thing though? Like Like we kind of joke was you know, that could have been day one in the writing room about Kang I am all the time Fuck it. I say day one 20 minutes of talking about what Kang could be Kang Skywalker and they did this. This is what they did and people celebrating them for this All right He looks like a fucking School Yeah, he's he's a little lame considering his history Oh, that was a good one God, but the show goes out of its way to make he who remains the exact opposite of that Instead of a fearsome Kang type figure, we basically get a burnt out manager who seems sick He's he's super in And he bounces around and he's Yes, oh, that's a good one. He's Harley Kang Remember when he's watching the fight, he's like getting surprised and stuff If someone was truly burnt out with every event that takes place on earth They should be watching everything which is complete like a sullen phase. Just like yeah They're like imagine him after all this time and he brings the loki's here And he's so depressed to see them resort to violence the one thing that he's trying to in his mind And this universal multi-versal war and he's just why he finally got these two loki's here And they're fucking trying to kill each other does everything just become violence is just and he just gets depressed And I guess I guess what it always just comes down to is violence and then he has a Heinlein moment They shouldn't get an excited and he's like oh Oh, and I reckon the writer's probably thought about it for five seconds Like yeah, because he hasn't written this who doesn't know what's gonna happen But it's just like you've not considered his history. Have you Nothing Nothing should surprise this person. He has seen everything that ever was Even if it's not something he specifically wrote. He's seen it before He's seen everything before nothing surprises him. He just wants to fucking die. He's just so over this shit Anyway, he's One of the great multi-versal war was just five kanks cheating on each other with a stick Man, that's all it looked like This all came down to Five kanks and a stick five sticks All right When the first kang invented that shit the other ones were like was that and he goes it's a stick that takes you to the end of time No, it doesn't spin like I'm sorry. Is that it again? How's that work? He's like I'll show you You passed it and then he gets a tempad teleports to the end of time You'll see there is my stick just makes you go to the end of time. I know it's weird, right? Why don't you just shoot cloud fart poodle? I don't want to shoot them. It's not classy. We're not barbarians Yes, obviously And I brought them to the end of the time so the evil cloud monster can devour their souls Like civilized people Of his own and as the mcu goes forward I'm really interested to see how different kang himself is from the performance that we get here My guess is they won't have much in common What's weird is that when he says the performance we got here like That reads to me the opposite of how he thinks it is Like this performance Like in a mocking sort of way like like how someone like in real life how someone would talk about somebody else Like what is this performance that you're doing right here? Yeah, but after me says he's not invested in the show It's it's saying that he's been taken out of the show Because he's seeing right through the actor So instead of being drawn into it. He's actually been pulled out He's curious about other performances from this performance because it wasn't good I'm like no wonder he's actually a good actor and can act better than something else I'm gonna be fair and say I don't mind giving this guy a chance to be like evil or whatever But the thing is everything's surround like I'm not I don't watch stuff specifically to see an actor do a job It's usually the story that I'm interested in Same here. How can the actor facilitate the story? Not the other way around pretty much. Yeah, like like if someone's like don't you want to see this guy try and be a villain I'd be like in this shit like I mean, I don't I don't care. Yeah, like I struggle to care unfortunately So the king will be as goofy as this but I yeah, you know, who would have been a better king is Heisenberg from as an evil village. He would have made a great king He would have tried to reason with the lobes and explain to them his positions and then Ethan would burst in my room and start killing him Where's my baby? Well, he's Heisenberg had a had some sort of conflict with the villain as well To try and link you in I want my token on this Heisenberg. Yeah, I didn't buy for you know why I brought you here Loki I don't buy for a second that this king had lived thousands of years Oh, not at all talking with modern vernacular and yeah, it's just everything is earth-centric in this entire cosmos Everything in the tba from earth full of humans. It's really frustrating It's like of all the planet Yeah, guardians set up the idea that earth is just one tiny place amongst a whole Is behind Much of the universe in terms of technology Like zandas got better technology. How come there wasn't a zandara and who figured out time travel? Why is it? He just did well The rest of the universe is caught up to like the port traveling where they can move across the universe almost instantly and earth is still Dealing with fucking putting on microchips inside the burning dead dinosaurs to get to the chemist 31st century from to even get there anyway Also, I had another thousand years and zandas still haven't figured it out nor is anyone else. Yeah And they still wore ties and lab coats Yes, they wear the same. Yeah the same Same fashion. I think I was watching it with uh with you for you I was just like what he was what he was like. I found a lyre. I was like, is he holding a lantern Why does he have a lantern? Oh, yeah He's like a moth he follows the lantern Guess is they won't have much in common I seriously doubt that keng will be as goofy as this But I do hope that majors retains that live wire unpredictable energy putting that No, fuck off. I don't even want him to be human. I want him to just be this other worldly creature who's so far beyond us You know that we just can't even like I don't want a relatable I don't I don't feel like this is a character who needs to be quirky and relatable It's it's it's it's irrelevant. Anyway of titlers Loki is exactly what marvel needed Talking about the character being quirky is there were plenty of quirky characters and in the marvel universe That's not what the fucking marvel need. They've had plenty of them. They've got plenty of them All you're doing is discussing a specific one that you like in this specific show Uh, you know what? I think you're gonna get so disappointed because he's just gonna end the video by saying a loki That's what marvel needs And this is why loki is exactly what marvel needed This is eight minutes in the fucking twang waffles said nothing speaking of things which you need today's sponsor Manscaped we could have done. You know, you know what one thing they could have done is We had that idea where the the the Kang is essentially this this old dude. He was just withering away in an old chair That's why he uses the robots of the time lizards That's why he has them because his physical form is just withering away So it would actually give a reason why the tea like there's no reason for the deception I feel Well, what's the point of the line at the feet of the bed or at the feet of the chair? There could be these three marionette puppets of the three space lizards that he's been using to to manipulate And it's all kind of like symbolism because you know, the technologies are all blending Into different time periods and and you know squiggly wiggly bits I just need why why did kang? Why did he need to deceive the tv a with the robot lizards? He made the tv a and they were subservient to him. Why weren't the tv robots? They don't no necessity for them. What so I was I was kind of looking forwards to a conversation With the the three time lizards and low-key like what are they gonna say? This could be interesting and then they just turn out to be robots and they die after four words And I'm like, well, fuck that Yeah That's basically is to spin out the runtime. Yeah, absolutely. This whole fucking delay. Yeah Because in in retrospect, right, it's like the show introduces this character He looks like low-key, but he's a completely different character Um, and then there's the other one the blonde girl and then there's the multiverse has been opened That's what this did as a show Like it wasn't really a story Yeah, those those elements will be used in other things now Yeah, it was all one of the subversion like if this guy this this clown who's this clown captain midnight, whatever Is that who he is? Yeah Captain midnight, right? This this clown's talking about subversion. That's the trendy thing these days is subversion Um, he's like, oh, isn't it so subversive that he's actually just a quirky loser from the street It's like, oh no, not really what would have been really subversive is he's built up as Hang the conqueror the mighty Indestructible eternal, you know, duh, duh, duh, and then we see who he actually is kind of like, I mean, let's fucking take it old school Let's go wizard of Oz the man behind the curtain. He's not actually the big great and powerful wizard of us He's just the guy from Kansas who's you know pulling levers and knobs and stuff. That's your subversion He's actually some guy instead of instead of being afraid of him being terrified of him in a sense So you almost like pity him and you you feel Super powerful standing next to him now that the machinations have been stripped away I almost feel like we've done so much subversion that it would have been subversive to do the normal thing He's actually like And he's the cowardly bear following Dorothy around I Think could make really incredible villain and the statue we see at the end gives me a lot of hope that it won't be a cg performance Why Why are you saying like it's a bad thing? Why would it be bad? Why is it bad if it's cg performance? Well, I know why the why the shit on andy shirkers Yeah, yeah, yeah I'm so lost, you know specific specifics in Marvel universe Josh Brolin's Thanos performance in infinity war is fucking legendary, man. It's amazing And and again, why would you assume that it would be cg? Was this just an excuse to take a shot at Thanos because like why did you say that like we see We see him as a person that we know that he's going to be the villain It's like, oh, this gives me hope he won't be cg. Like why did you say that? Why would anyone say like okay? That was weird And the statue we see at the end gives me a lot of hope that it won't be a cg performance I think they did a solid job with Thanos, but I think kang would also benefit a lot from being a flesh and blood presence I don't think Yeah most cg performances are now people who are actually there doing the things And just brolin was there I imagine indy circus hearing this bullshit and going wow, holy fuck. Yeah, like playing seiza. It's like kind of incredible Even rocket is i was talking about golem shawngun rocket is shawngun, and it's really good. Yeah, and golem as well Great and circus, but it's just yeah, like seiza is more believable as a character. It's like it's incredibly impressive The fucking dog from that That was a great performance from a piece of wood It was incredible what I did This film will make you believe a plank of wood can fly You can't talk about wonder woman like that Fire and all silliness today instead of their cg villain How many cg villains have they been in marvel like this is This is this kevin midnight. He randomly cuts to Snarky network footage of likey and stuff from cars. He's now got to get rid of another two minutes before he can We only have a little bit left until the ad. Well, I think we're about to hit his conclusion The statement of that he's going to do it add. Yeah Uneasy lies the head that wears the Make sure we don't get it. We can't be right. I have no idea what this is from really Brother Honestly, I didn't really go into it expecting anything special below. He turned out. So you got exactly that mcu needed. Well, no, this show Oh, there you go He turned out to be exactly what the mcu needed at kind of the right moment that it needed it And while I'm a little afraid Establish this in like any way. Yeah, you just said it. Yeah, he just said everything I've been over. That's what it needed Yeah, he didn't he didn't say what marvel needed. Well, I mean like He said things wrong. He said things and then he said that wasn't being okay His job was everything that marvel needed And diverse woman who didn't okay Job with her and I'm really looking forward to the next thing What you didn't say fucking Shit, you know what marvel needs is to bait new stuff. He pretty much said that's one of the things Thanks. Thanks, dude. I want to ask all the sheep who listen to this vapid content like but but really though So what did what why is Loki exactly what marvel needed? What did Loki have that the mcu didn't have just just because he watched a 10 minute video on it? So Subscribers I do want to point out as well it takes a lot to shut all of us up He can't he struggles to talk about Loki for 10 minutes. Yes I mean loves it and he loves it Let's just get I can't shut up about it. I hate it. Yeah, that's the power of hatred. Yeah. Yeah. No I I hate it. It's the thing in marvel. I hate the most now Like more than captain marvel more than anything I don't know if I hate this I really Yeah, I think I hate falcon more Because I'm so preachy and so on this end. Yeah, but it had John Walker and it had it did but like Single unit of hatred toward a thing like irrelevant of the good things that could try and balance it out Probably goes falcon with soldiers still um Oh, I think Yeah, like Loki's worse, but I feel like after I've been so much my heart's been broken too many times, right? I just can't I can't bother to put the pieces back together again You know, I'm just like sort of done. I it was it was yesterday No, it was early early this fucking morning when I saw the last episode of Loki And I just I just felt empty And just devoid of emotion and care. I just felt so apathetic about the mcu. It's It's like I could let go, you know, I'm like indiana jones Just we're reaching for the grail and then I've just learned to just just let it go You know, just let it fall into the fucking pit and just go just let it go It's one division shout on a character in the world of magic for the mcu And then falcon would just hold a shout on cap iron man falcon bucky and the socioeconomic world of the mcu So it's like, oh, we just took a big chunk out and then Loki was like, you thought that was a big chunk So that was a big one, right? Yeah, oh, you thought that was bad. We're gonna ruin the goddamn cosmos. So hold on to your assholes. We're diving in What I mean, it felt like it ramped all the way up and then black widow just was like bye bye, Natasha Well, at least Natasha was good. Nope. Nope No one's safe It really I was I was talking with like a couple days ago. I was I was chatting with just some friends about superhero movies and things like that And I and I said the only two superhero movies I'm really looking forwards to are the suicide squad in guardians of the galaxy 3 And then it took me like 10 minutes from a brain to register that both of those were James Gunn I was like, oh fuck. Yeah, I don't actually care about like the universes anymore I'm just like, I just hope that we get a talented director who could just do a good movie And those will be the outliers And those will be the good ones Hopefully Yep Maybe maybe Maybe but I think that might be the It it'll be the Joker. It will be, you know, those kinds of things just the the weird projects that they just sort of Aren't you excited for Batgirl? Well, uh, you know what the it's the Batman is when everyone's going to be very very considered Oh, I'm very I'm not good concerned. I'm like kind of I'm you know, Oh, I'm getting Venom 2 in a couple of months Yeah Much of a shit about everyone's talking about so much. What do you mean? We'll be hilarious And Morbius is Early part of next year. You're right about it. It's just so much superhero shit coming out Yeah, yeah, well, I mean you look at next year DC's releasing like five movies The whole kind of four of them are black supermen Four of them are black supermen Yeah, four of them are black supermen The army of black supermen will reign supreme over the DC EU So I we maybe we've been going about this wrong the whole time in terms of how we divvy up like the mcu because Generally, we do it like post and pre-end game You know, that's like that's like the big dividing line seems to be end game where we almost move I know we got like multiple phases, but I feel like that's like the big first Thing is it all leads up sort of the end game and then we have that big divider Now we're moving on to the new era the next gen whatever you want to call it But maybe that shouldn't be the dividing line. Maybe this should be pre and post free will Maybe that's where we should be Well, that would be after the last five minutes of Loki or two minutes of a Loki As the new that we're the brave new world of the marvel cinematic universe Where people can actually have decisions and that's going to be where we draw the line Nothing mattered up until now. No, no is when it gets real time to get invested everybody Just when the women come in and we're making superhero movies not for the star of the movie But for the cameos like who's gonna see flash for Ezra Miller No one you'll see flash of bat flak. We'll be like, oh, I'm gonna see flash for god damn Keaton Michael Keaton. Yeah. Yeah Yeah Truth is beautiful. Yeah, it's beautiful. Yeah Um, I'm afraid critical drinker has to leave us But before you go Do you want to do you want to tell them what you're up to lately? What what horrible takes you've had like Loki being bad? I feel better about it after this tonight Ben I was writing a bit of show It's been cathartic. It's just very Uh, but yeah, like, um, that that was a fun one to do but otherwise. Yeah, I'm I'm gonna try and do Some nice movies. I want to review nobody Apparently that's quite a decent little action movie. So I'm gonna do that food Yeah, uh, I haven't seen it yet either. It's really hard to get as well It's like 16 pounds or something. It's like on amazon. I think it's really, yeah May sell the high seas for that one. But anyway, yeah, that'll probably be my next one. Um, and yeah I'm uh, we can plug it away. Um, thank you so much for for popping on and I'm glad you spent so much time talking about One of your favorite shows Yeah No, that's been a pleasure as always Yeah, man, um, you know, have a have a good night. Thanks for joining us and I'll catch you around on the intersphere As they call you my dude All right later. Oh boy Later mad. Oh Let's get this video finished, shall we? I would like that very much Yep, see you needed at kind of the right moment that it needed it And while i'm a little afraid that all of these timelines will eventually make everything feel like it doesn't have any stakes at all We already got that Invented free will I don't understand Like how does your brain function? How do you do this? How do you how do you watch the whole season and you're like, yeah, I I'm worried that we might have an issue with stakes I don't shit Sherlock. Yeah We might I didn't really The mcu needed a con Why you didn't think the fact that they got rid of free will to be a little bit of an issue Uh, no, okay. No, no fine. No The fact that nothing that's happened in in any of the marvel films to date Meant shit because gang did it That's not a big kind of red flag to no. No, it's all good. It's all great Nice I almost like I did I did want you guys to see it because like these people are out there They just praised the show for no reason at all He hasn't even done that really. He's just spoke. He said nothing for 10 minutes and then gone Nice, okay Stick that one in the bank. Yeah, that's a good one It's a good show make everything feel like it doesn't have any stakes at all I didn't really feel that that was the case here Because because you're stupid that's thing. Yeah, you're actually stupid Your brain cannot recognize the information that it's been blatantly presented. You're stupid That's why you don't understand. It's it's like actually you're just you're stupid That's the problem I'm gonna go ahead and guess you're not a fan of captain midnight's content at this point No, like this here's the thing. Here's the thing. I'm not insulting him. I'm just describing him This is purely just being just an honest observation You have to be stupid if you think this After watching all of this information after being presented all of these things and then making this video And that is your opinion You have to be stupid. That's the this is like this Occam's razor That has to be the explanation. You're just an idiot The mcu needed a concrete direction to go in after a while. I think Loki presents Sorry, it skipped for me. I need to I need to hear that It skipped on my end chat won't know what he said and they need to come on stakes at all I didn't really feel that that was the case here The mcu needed a concrete direction to go in after Thanos A concrete direction is all the directions, but we're gonna go all the directions again We created a multiverse. We've unleashed free will onto the because that's how they fright you We've unleashed free will onto the cosmos We created a multiverse an infinite diverging timelines and he calls that this idiot calls that a concrete direction That the mcu is going on But like we already know that this isn't the case. Is that the direction Hawkeye is going in multiverse? Like what is that the direction that like captain america is going in a multiverse? Why is he describing the multiverse as concrete? It's not concrete. It's the officer makes a point. It's the show makes a point that it means chaos It's chaotic Every story says if you kill me people will have free will But you're gonna have chaos and infinite this and infinite timelines and it's all just gonna be fucking madness That's the point like the show You know what that's pretty concrete That's pretty yeah, I agree chat. It's concrete direction So we've gone from everything is predetermined to now every story A little possibility in a multiverse Of nothing of everything and nothing It has no it has no state Really this is what I mean sometimes they do baffle me like If if anything you could describe anything in the mcu is concrete This is the last on the list the last thing that you describe as concrete that I just phenomenal good job So how does that black widow story like I mean it doesn't matter anyway But how does it matter now that free will that there's like an infinite number of black widow stories? And we're just watching one. I mean is this the established universe or like what is it at this point? We're taskmaster store black widow Nothing nothing like this is this is my hate multiverses Nothing matters because there's a gazillion gazillion of them all Something different to each other opening something else None of them matter because they're all their own unique little snowflakes. I couldn't give a fucking shit No one to care about specifically anymore, but I guess it's fucking concrete If anything it it was more concrete than could have been possible because it was all predetermined It couldn't have happened any other way that I don't know if you could get more concrete than a predetermined universe Not that I want a predetermined universe, but I don't want a fucking multiverse to fucking shine either Do you think this is like chase where you go? What is concrete really goes here? It's like that spaghetti substance that just falls all over the place and is everywhere Oh you are stupid It's that me though. I think it stands on its own as a fun engaging and at times really well written show based around hiddleston never well written actor There's your hook right there. Tom hiddleston Tom hiddleston or wilson. These are popular actors. They're charming and we're I mean that's basically what it is You're fighting the only the only around for the right. They're just there. It's like look We're still here, but there's what this is what happens. Look look at the things. I'm going to cry now Absolutely, absolutely. You're there. They're just puppies fucking following around The much more important female characters who are just You know fucking planks chat a point out. So he said this is what marvel needs and he described it as at times well written Yeah Oh I love that because what does that mean think about what you're saying when you write this Exactly what marvel needed That's what like the fact that he doesn't realize if at times it's well written that means at times. It isn't well written Yeah, that's what that means. Why would you put that in your script? For you that's what None of this fucking video meant anything because he didn't he didn't fucking back us to support his point He didn't set the ground rules for it and he didn't offer any evidence to say this why loki was exactly what Fucking marvel needed. He dropped your scripts Please Redraft your scripts. Come on. Don't just write down the first thing that comes to your head But fringy it is at times It is that time's well written. That's going to be dealt by it. Yeah Ten minutes. He goes to he goes to you got it. Well, let's I'm still hoping that he will say for his ad speaking of things which are well Speaking of things which you need, please Come on To be a bit longer, but I'll definitely be there either way I talked about feeling burnt out at the start of this video and I have to admit that youtube can really feel it Oh He didn't say speaking of things we needed. He's gonna be a sneaky segway. You can smell the ad. It's coming You can smell the ad when people say, I'll be feeling bad, you know, I just I need something to help me out He didn't get to 10 minutes. He's nine minutes. He didn't even get to 10 He didn't even well the ad is baked in, you know, the ad will Yeah, it's it's amazing. He uses the ad to facilitate more ads. Yes. Yes, you're right That's a 40 chance. You can't talk about the show for 10 fucking minutes much like the show his video is quite padded Out at the start of this video and I have to admit that youtube can really feel like that sometimes Even if it's often really fun, too I found that seeking out other outlets for because you sound bored You sound bored. You sound like this video is just like it's a It's just this you sound like keng Where this like doing videos on youtube is just like this this terrible curse you've put yourself through And you hate it and you just have to do it and it's just a job and you don't enjoy it It's just you're going through the motions. Where's the fucking fire? God Get into it and it's funny because you got like the the set up here that he's it's like moving through We're just waiting. He's like only there was like a solution like some kind of product that could help me with it You're like, oh no, no, no, no, no, what is it gonna be? No, no, no Thinking activity to focus on can go a long way towards recharging. Oh, no, which is part of why I like using brilliant You're not allowed to use that word I feel like anybody who watches if I was gonna get so cynical about ads But you get what I mean like friggin eyes, especially I think just like From a mile away you can see this covered that he's trying to speak earnestly He's talking about his own personal experience that we've immediately clicked on to you're trying to sell me something you fuck Hey, I almost put a surf shark out of my loki video There's any time Common routine because it's usually if it's like something like brilliant or skill shared The the format will be something along the lines of like so I've been feeling x and I wanted to learn a new skill you know because And it's usually related to what you do So if you make videos you'll then promote the ones for videos if you talk about writing You'll promote the ones for writing if you do animation you'll talk about the ones about animation It's just such a clear formula Um, which is kind of weird because it's like I don't why just say what the product is There's a comedian kyle dunagin who does it the Best you you don't even think it's an ad because he's got like, uh, he does these impressions He's got katelyn jenner talking. What was it as he was talking some document his ads there. I don't know Document company or something like that. He's got katelyn jenner company. He does it's you got to see it. It's Hilarious The best ad insert i've ever seen in a video this thing you can make ads really surprising entertaining engaging And stuff it's just like this so this is the thing I think some people are just like confused on what exactly we're trying to say is just like this I've seen this a million times now The fact that this is called brilliant changes nothing could have been you can anticipate it Yeah, yeah at the end of the video like well, they're like loki. It's kind of a neat show So anyway lately i've been feeling and i'm like, no And that's why this is exact loki's exactly what marvel needed What I need right now though is to another skills. I'll go fuck off. It's an erection I any questions for you guys want to do for your personal skills. I'm sorry. I don't know when do I do those? I don't believe that captain midnight. It's like, you know what I could brush up on my geometry fundamental Learn the best position to put my two adverts in for my free free. This is how you know Did he say I actually use this by the way if he didn't say that he doesn't use it But if he said yeah, it's so Freudian. It's so Freud as one would say Oh I love it. Should be like that. I wanted to learn a bit more about philosophy Not for psychology after I called sig I thought Freudian was like his name Sigmund Freudian So I got brilliant Oh Then I found out it was about like fucking formulas and shit and I was out done with that shit. It's boring Mm-hmm. It's for yourself Normally, I'd be a little too overwhelmed to check out questions on something like gravitational physics But what? This is exactly what Loki needed. Yeah, Loki. Yeah, the writers needed Like, you know what I want to learn about gravitational physics today I do should I do the lawn should I do the dishes? No, let's learn about gravity of my life Oh Dude, if I it's got a brilliant calm What you should do is try to appeal directly to the people who would be interested in this to be like You know, not all of you are doing like the the youtube thing Some of you guys might want to you know, I don't know get into the sciences get into physics build some spaceships Hey, do you see that that that like dick ship that went into the sky that um, the jeff bezos was on That's pretty cool. You want to learn about how they made that you're talking about man of steel The little dick Ships, yeah I don't know just like promoted to the people who would actually use it like don't pretend like you care about learning about statistics Presentational physics is totally captive midnight. I just I get that impression Yeah, I feel like the the intellect that was printed that was presented during the you know the video the nine minutes that we got I can believe that this guy's into Astrodomical Or whatever it was I'm picturing if gary was given this to sell like a picture of it is a little rooms feel like if you want to learn about um gravitational physics If you want to learn how I keep all my action figures on the wall go to brilliant If you want to expose the Illuminati lie that is the force of gravity to keep the truth of the flatters away from the population You need this video. Oh my god Brilliant One might say oh first 200 subscribers get 20 percent off. Oh my god, hurry up Now 99 left. I wonder if anybody signed up to any of the ads we had to watch a god if Yes, somebody now signing up to really like oh, shit. I want to learn about gravitational physics. You kidding me. Hell, yeah It's probably a good service. Um, it's probably is. Yeah It's probably a great service. It's just these ads that these guys and that's not even brilliant fault. It's kind of an ad fault Yeah, if he was passionate about this product, he could make a really good ad. I'm sure of it You can make a great ad for basically anything. I've seen good ads for great shadow legends as much as I hate that game Because I would find it more engaging if the video sort of sawns off completes low-key. Look and then you go listen up Fucker brilliant is an amazing service. Look at the things I can do and it zooms in it goes. Wow with a picture Look at the things I've learned. This is just a great dash line. Do you see? Do you see? Have you ever wondered how slopes work and then you have like a real irl video of a ball going down a slope? Wow That happened No, if you don't understand how Have you ever wondered why things are smaller the further they get away? I don't know. It's fucking magic gravitational physics Brilliant has What happens to bread when you put it in the toaster and toast pops out? Where does the bread go? It's a way Does it get everywhere? Brilliant if the gas station is two miles away, then how come my dad hasn't come back after 26 years to pick up cigarettes Really, and we'll explain how If he's traveling at a constant speed of 4.7 miles per hour averaged out on a vehicle after three stop signs Then he should have been back 25.82 years ago If my father is moving in a direction away from me, how fucking you've gone? Could go around the world 27 times Brilliant has the how far did your dad run away from you calculator You can calculate to a mathematical percentage of point like of 10 decimal points. How much your dad hates you And this is the if if you may you could make a fucking 10 minute video That's more entertaining of this ad than this fucking 10 minute video whilst analyzing Loki And I could picture brilliant it depends on the the company of course, but they could see it Be like this is fucking hilarious do it like Actually want to learn these things as opposed to saying hey, so sometimes I get bummed out on youtube. So I need to learn um Has she found a linear model with the smallest sse That helps me, you know, just get the creative juices flowing To keep things simple for now, let's look at the case where Susama has three data points. You're like, yeah Yeah, baby. I know where's the summer's data points. Uh, yeah Fucking points. So exciting engaging It's a smart and sick Organically where you feel more like you're having fun solving problems and less like you're memorizing formulas Which helps you learn about everything from neural networks to cryptocurrency. Oh, yeah I'm sure you're Listen, this guy is the last person who needs to be talking about neural network We have some detours at a few intersections if you catch my dream, you know What would kill the whole ad is if he says you could be like me with brilliant. You're like, oh god No, please god, no I don't want to be the retard Lord look at this designed around respecting your time and helping you make progress every time you use it Thanks for respecting my time. I only talking about the show for nine minutes last midnight and try it for free Even little albert einstein is bored with Yeah, I think he's bored of captive midnight I could have made a better ad Einstein would hate it And I often forget to put on my own shoes I am The first people to go to that link will get 20% off the annual premium subscription If you uh, if you remember right the last time I came to this video I think it was at this point that you were like, wait a minute The aesthetic of like an old-timey hero is like not in his content at all Like yeah, it just suddenly tins up Yeah, like I'm specifically commissioning work for my channel that plays into like the character and sets up a place So here's the the dogs at the desk and he's got that whiteboard I'm going to show it's over here at the side of the room And then there's the computer over here and there's this thing and there's the gun in case the tva come for me And like all this stuff I've got All this is going to be set up like it's god forbid a cinematic universe And he's just like a fucking old stuff here. I guess it's the radio. I don't know Imagine like an old-timey hero reviewing current superhero media as like any he appeals to his old Sensibilities a lot or like how things have changed But at the same time you got to let the new folks, you know, get there get their way in the world Your whole fun. I like characters I like when youtubers have like a fun character that has like not not a quirk But attributes of their character that they sort of play off of and they use and refer to and stuff like that I think it adds a cool little you know a little element to videos instead of just some asshole talking about shit He doesn't know about you know, wow you saying captain midnight doesn't know about loki. He watched the whole thing and said he loved it It does he did say he loved it what marvel needed I want to go to the top section just ask hey if you like this video, can you tell me what the fuck Why the by the fucking way Do you do you trust what you can see on screen right now? This is mainly gary nazimogosking you see it says 11 minute video the ruined legacy of game of thrones Like you think he's gonna summarize the doubt full of game of thrones at 11 minutes. Like are you seriously down to I'm going to press x to doubt on that one Yeah, there's going to be a time in the probably not too distant future where documentaries Will be made about the cultural phenomenon that was game of thrones And its production its development. It's it's it's Domination of popular media for almost a decade and it's unprecedented decline into relevancy It is like it's actually it's documentary worthy And once a little bit of time passes that will come out And this guy's like HBO those are enough but HBO will find out when house of the dragon comes out and nobody watches it Uh, they they oh, yeah, they're they're still no one's gonna watch it. You think it's gonna get really really be um Really I think a couple million people will watch it. I think it'll be like an average HBO show But the execs I mean they're reeling because they they that was the cornerstone for their streaming service, right? They were gonna have five fucking spin-offs for that show and they cancelled them all So and they kept one going and they got like the two best guys who were involved directorial wise to to run it and It's it's yeah, so it'll be two or three million But they had 18 million live viewers for their last episode Blue 30 million on a on a fucking pilot that failed miserably. Yes. That was named after your period By the way, you know named after menstruation and fucking a song of ice and fire blood moon Uh, because when you have your moon's blood that means you're having your period. Yeah, it was the Can't believe it didn't get fucking greenlit. Wow big surprise Um, but yeah, that that about does it for low key for today Good five a half hour chunk Um, which means we're probably gonna jump right into the super chats and I I already oh my god. I have to pee. Well, I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I have to pee. Whoa Also my bladder is full All at once. I think those two things are connected No, I'm gonna grab the petroleum job If either of you wanted to Well, I say either if any of you want to want to jump out I figure this is a this is an interesting interval to sort of do it It's completely up to all of you if you want to want to keep hanging out or not I think I've got to um after yesterday's friday night tights, which took me up to Six o'clock in the morning Uh, if I had two hours sleep, but I I needed to come to this because I didn't want to let you go down because you've been You've been popping into so many of our streams recently more than I I had to return the favor Is that uh, well, I mean it's fun. I haven't you mean but I thought you would enjoy talking about low key What I I know I did I did I just didn't realize that we're gonna watch a video from an absolute fucking retard What? He's so insightful Who created a question that he didn't answer and the actual content of the video was so fucking superficial and pathetic Uh, I would have actually you've guessed if you had asked me that the person had about 1,500 subscribers Well, they got a little bit more than that. Just a little bit. Just a little bit more nearly 500,000 The youtube work and it's magic. It is. It is. I gotta jump out too. Sorry moller. I would stay but sorry Well, go one by one. So if you want to Uh, tell people about your channel what you up to why they should um Well, I need to sleep. I don't know how long I'm gonna sleep for so maybe Subnautica sunday tomorrow. Maybe We'll see what time I'll wake up Uh Other than that tuesday the real bbc On gary's channel nerd roddix channel this week, uh, wednesday fully articulated On our robert mire bennett's channel this week and friday course friday night time Well yesterday we had mohler and Had a record A show, a bloody record, which was amazing pause an audience. Thank you so much indeed I've been watching and reading you ladies throughout the course of the night and you're fucking amazing Um, so it's always great to uh, that went well to tiz to tiz them with you Yeah, I mean like I said links are all gonna be in the description. So thank you so much for coming on as and uh, Thank you for having me everyone. Oh my god Gary, what are you up to why should people say hello to your channel press buttons and smash things? Oh, it's all about the gravitational anomalies of the illuminati and the flatters And entertainment, uh, you have to open up your neural networks people. That's right. You should subscribe Gravitational anomalies brilliant No, hey, uh, please. I have a really long after this wonderful live stream. I have a Long for me. I know you guys are gonna laugh. Loki review Uh, that's like a half an hour long and um, that's long for me It's like captain midnight videos. I was about to say yeah, I guarantee you say a hell of a lot more than he ever does. Yeah Oh, I freaking youtube filled that thing full of ads. I had to kill them all Um So hey, thanks. Thanks guys for having me on uh, subscribe if you like what I do But subscribe to everybody here if you haven't because they're all great too And it's always an honor to be here. Uh, and thanks for having me on Yeah, man, that's what chudle is and have you both um, we will catch you both the next time we do Can do you mind if I just quickly address a question from the chat that was uh Why is captain midnight not sound like the mic on in the slightest? Yeah, yeah Do you have any uh, like uh bites about the the blizzard drama the activision blizzard drama that's uh I'm holding at the moment Uh, all I'll say at the moment because because it's unfolding. I want to kind of like see what else materializes Uh before doing a potential video on it, but all I will say is uh Activision blizzard When you play retarded games you win retarded prizes and I Could not have less sympathy for a company if I fucking tried right now So, yeah, I'll just leave it at that for the time being at the last Yeah, okay I really couldn't I really could if if any a company In the world deserved to get theirs Activision blizzard is that company So, yeah play stupid games win stupid prizes When you fuck around with these type of people Um for so long now You know, they're gonna turn you know, they're gonna bite You don't know what's you know, even if stuff's embellished, you know, some of it is probably Legit, so yeah, I got no sympathy for them. No sympathy for them at all It is a scum company. We've seen that from the way that they Project with pride and then uh ban when it comes to human rights in china So I don't care burn Burn to the fucking ground for a like that See you missed the opportunity for the portmanteau of scum company Company that's a good one Yeah, man company. I like that company. Yeah Using it all the time now. Yeah, that's a freebie. Take it. That's a freebie. I appreciate that I'll give him a like suckers at the bank Hails So thank you very much indeed and I'll I'll see you all soon. Hopefully cheers guys. Take care Bye, bye Seriously, though, like the stuff that's apparently happening with activision is fucking nuts I don't know anything about what's happening. So activision is being sued I think they're being I can't remember they're either being sued or they're at legal proceedings going with the state of california Or over like widespread rampants like sexual harassment uh-huh But they're so woke they would never do that the The really disturbing one was there was a woman who Committed suicide And the the the reason Is owing to a relationship that she was in with like a like a superior um and Before that happened. There was like a Company event or a function where they were passing around pitches of her vagina. Oh, it's like dude like this. That's fucking It's really bad. That's if that's true. That's really bad How do you live with yourself like if that's something that you've done You know, yeah, that's uh Like especially I'll haunt you forever dude. Yeah, or well presumably it would if you yeah, it's really it's and somebody said so Ubisoft again, it's like scenes that way. Yeah This one's being investigated though specifically by like the state of california, which makes it sound like they've got like a Shit ton of evidence. Yeah, that's why would why would they pursue if there wasn't something Yeah, if there wasn't A lot that they could go off of Well, um But yeah, are you all happy to we we we go almost? Oh, yeah, I'm going. Yeah very well Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm staying too Yeah, sometimes we just have to Put up with these things Yeah, I'm gonna stank the room full So the very first one, you know, because I don't control these things very first one is I like the phantom menace. That's phantom menace. Sorry I like the phantom menace. What do you what do you guys think? It's okay to like it. It's all right. It's okay to like it, but it's bad things in there that I like as well Don't worry. I like it, but yeah bad I like quite gone gin I like the lightsaber fight in the pod race I like um I like a lot of the sound effects are very good. I like a lot of those uh, yeah, like a lot There you go Hope everyone's having a little you boost me nothing to me chat. Wow My own chat bullies me all the time. I'm used to this kind of You guys don't even have as good as the bullies I usually deal with Um, hope everyone's having a great day I yeah, I'm fun I'm glad that Loki's behind us now because that show is fucking slog I'm ready to never I don't even know if we talked about everything because I've like no we didn't No, we definitely didn't talk about everything. Yeah I didn't expect we we start at the end because I took like notes for every episode But I didn't even really look at them. Honestly. It was a weird one. I was I mentioned to rax I didn't I wasn't sure about the format for this one because I feel like the smart thing to do Is to start with how this all happened instead of like explaining the lie and then explaining the truth That's the name of the song Which when when when you get when you get the the record scratch and then and then the music starts Oh, right. I wonder how I got here. That's Yeah, um, because this is the thing we would have been able to achieve quite a bit just by going chronological because like All Kang does is change the framing a little bit in terms of the truth But at the same time Why not just tell the story as it's displayed in the sixth episode and then go back Um, I think we covered the important points though. Loki's assassination. Oh, yeah, absolutely And then we we saw this great video and I just feel like I wasted all these notes because apparently that's nothing you need to do Yeah, I mean, I was you know, it's still effort that was not Totally wasted now, you know, just quite how awful the show is Yeah, it's just I could just go through the notes I have just Just with the notes just on the stream and probably could feel like at least an hour With stuff and I probably said I wouldn't have talked about anything and then you have this rambling garbage for 10 minutes And one minute add one and a half I mean, he was struggling to fill that script up. You could tell yeah I'm not gonna make a video about Loki forget a chat No one should have to have that curse Can we get the metal rips and look a video? I pretty sure I talked about it a bit on on on my stream, I think Yeah, just go watch that chat so I just Read into it a bit more because I know I've looked at this apparently it's after a two-year investigation by the california department of fair employment and housing um There's a big old list of workplace issues. Um The the documentation of a cube crawl where male employees drink copious amounts of alcohol and harass and grope women male employees publicly discussing sexual encounters um Female employees discouraged from talking uh taking harassment issues to HR because members of HR were close to the harassers in question And then the big one the the employee who committed suicide Um do that relationship and then they passed around those explicit photos at the holiday party Yeah Yeah Yeah, like this is the kind of thing that like it's actually a huge issue that needs to be addressed And it reminds me of all the times that like all the all the crying wolves You talk about things that are just inconsequential. It don't matter at all when actual stuff like this is out there happening Well, this is this is the this is like this is the heinous shit. Yeah, that's yeah, that's what I'm saying Like this is this is serious It's really bad Um Yeah, it's a two-year investigation. It's like well you gotta imagine that there was a lot that they managed to uncover Um Do any of you watch a youtuber called maxa or max or I would recommend his newest review on a game called control It looks like a gem I've heard of that name. I've heard the name, but I haven't watched him It does sound vaguely familiar. I'm not sure though I've heard of control the game. That's by remedy. Yeah Oh, okay played a little bit of it like half an hour, so I think it's like kind of uh Because they made like max pain and stuff, but it's it's like a metroidvania structure thing I think compared to like there are other stuff which is more linear Um high wags Hello. Hi frog daddy g Oh, hi. Hi german Hello, I know to beard Hello shad. Hi az and hello to the british guy mohler. Hello. Um while it's on friday night tights I think it was uh, I don't know if it was christie may or uh, or who said it or not, but um I was just talking and and she said um, it's cool to have like a british voice on the show And az was just like staring at the camera Oh my god Um, so it ain't so This is all available daddy loves his baby girl Oh my I don't know. Are they asking everyone to say that or are they I don't know. Daddy loves his baby girl Daddy loves his baby girl. Oh my goodness gracious Hey, that's two out of four. We did it. Yeah, that's pretty good considering here um Rick and morty efap episode have rags watch the show already. I mean, well We kind of did that, you know, as in we we had an episode talking about rick and morty. I don't know what um What else we would say about it right now Not right now. I think we need to wait until the season's done Yeah, like um, you know, maybe it's a really shit season then for you to get some furia and make a video about that Uh, maybe maybe Well, it's it's funny you you wrote up me six today because I watched that episode today as well Yeah, it's fantastic Plenty of people like that joke is not funny. It's hilarious. There are these it's it's To sit here and explain to you why it's really funny that there are these guys who need to help with meaningless Like small tasks and stuff. Oh, he must have heard something. Oh, oh boy. You heard what you said about him fringy What? Oh my god I just thought you'd like to know That kevin smith has turned the live chat off in his stream Oh my I just wouldn't stream. Yeah Listen the people hate you right now don't stream Yeah, he's just turned the chat off So he's just so he's he's definitely That tweet that he put out where he said let's let's hear did I fuck up master of the universe? Come talk to me about it. He doesn't want it. He doesn't want me to talk to him about it at all Like enough talking. That's enough. You've talked enough enough talking. No, my head's high. I'm enough. Leave me be All right guys Bye Um, what's uh, oh if uh, if Yeah, with me like I find it an endlessly amusing joke that there are these little guys these blue guys who pop out of a box who help you with your problems But they want to die Because that's their purpose is to help you and then die They can only die if they if they finish them if they help you that's right. Jerry who's like super incompetent Jerry's just way too incompetent Just and then and then of course that their decision like well We we can't get two strokes off his game, but we can get them all off his game when we kill it Come on out cherry guys, I'll chop up a follow through do whatever you tell me to do. Okay It's like right on the first one like it's like a like a like some stubs like a beard is like Yeah, I've been awake for two days. That's an eternity in b6 time I fear the worst your failures are your own old man. I'm mr. Meeseeks. Look at me I say follow through who's with me I'm mr. Meeseeks. Look at me Sinister tone of voice Because I always do the whole mr. Meeseeks. Look at me Yeah, that's what I'm angry Hey, look at me. I'm clear. Look at me. Then if we focus all our efforts on jerry's follow-through We will solve this problem. I'm mr. Meeseeks. I'm mr. Meeseeks. Look at me The only thing that's clear is that chug it up is the one true solution Just I just I think it might be one of my favorite lines of rick and morty just screaming to the habits What I find interesting about the whole thing with rick and morty's some people came away from the episode we did With that was captain midnight again, right Yes, I can now from uh the the decoy episode. Yeah So some people were like, um, it was a really cringe segment because uh, all leaf I've been doing We're trying to say that something was objectively funny and I was interested by it because um If you think that saying something is not funny is your argument And then we try and respond by explaining the layers or the writing of the joke Then it's like wait. Why would you have started if you thought it was like an exclusively subjective concept anyway? Why even bother telling me? What exactly does that do? Um, and by the way, I do think that it is pretty much subject. You're not gonna find something funny But um, as we've said before a joke being written we can talk about how it was written why it was written what it means and stuff But yeah, I just I find it fundamentally like Contradictive the same people would be like why are you trying to tell me it's objectively funny The whole reason you brought it up was to tell me that it wasn't funny that it wasn't funny Yeah, I'm saying you're like, oh well it was funny now what? Yeah, exactly just don't say anything then If you if you wanted to pull the cards like why is all the other thing? I can sit here and tell you why I don't think the bojack jokes work at all I can I can sit here and give you some reason but if you just tell me, oh, it's not funny. Oh, what? Oh, I miss the basics. Oh, yeah, isn't that funny? It's like, yeah, thanks, bro Well, yeah, in the same way that they go, oh, it's repetitive and then we explain how the joke evolves and they go, well Well, I still feel repetitive. Oh, cool. Awesome. Why are we even talking like you don't care what I'm saying Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get your math and your calculations, but the earth feels flat We even looked at gravitational. Well, even was I've forgotten already dammit gravitational physics. There you go Yeah, exactly Yeah, and they all expect that we're gonna recant the whole like rick and morty was great up till season five episode three Just like guys, we're not gonna that's not that is not a position. It was It wasn't randomly arrived at that's something that we've helped for a while Yeah, because we don't just like flip coins on this shit Well, like I was watching rick and morty before I'd met fringy and same for him with me like we were Just something we both happen to like and then when I met j j's like, yeah, one of my favorite shows rick and morty It's like, oh neat now. We're watching it together and we're talking about our favorite episodes And then we're like, oh god, we all agree this new set of fucking up big time Yeah, and it was it was tough to because it took it took a while for us to be like, oh man Or like it was really tough to to sit there You know how it takes a little time to realize like, oh no, they fucked it up You just keep talking about the scenes and the jokes and you're like, uh-oh i'm reaching conclusions here Did you guys did you guys mention you you you you were still like, oh, let's see how this goes and everything In the form, yeah, yeah Because I I watched it on my own and I was just sitting here having my friends like this No, it's wrong. I hate this. This is bad And then there was like two jokes. I laughed at and I was like, oh, that's oh that was the episode That was that shit. Yeah. Yeah That was scary. That was scary. I don't know how to deal with these types of things Especially when you when you come from come from the the the shitty things we've been watching I was like, oh rick and morty like the last episodes were all great. This is at least got to be decent Then you sit here. I was like Fuck Yeah, just it was really a fuck moment. You know, this is this is the one I've been trusting Yeah, it was it was that feeling. Yeah, it was the same thing. It's like dude Like remember when we watched episode two and it was just like, oh man like rick and morty God, it's so nice to have just this reliable thing. Yeah, that's good. And then I fucked it It all went to shit Yeah Have y'all seen cosmonauts loving vid his defense of self-sast is beyond ridiculous So his stuff I haven't seen the video, but I know that from twitter Um, so cosmonaut was addressing people complaining about Loki doing incest with sylvie or whatever his response to it is that's not possible in real life. So no one should care Yeah, this is this is what we call really stupid thing to say Really stupid You can't even engage with the now in real life. So why talk about the concepts and explore Yep, that's exactly what you know, see this is one of those things where cosmonaut sucks You'd be like you don't believe this you just said it, but I know you don't believe it Because like you're just trying to get out of the conversation I guess but like the idea that we never talk about it unless it's possible Get out of here get out of society for example like I don't know what to say What should someone like iron man do with his level of power? It's like well, there's no it's not real There was no iron man. Yeah. It's like, all right cool. Get out of here. Let's not talk about stories then You're sitting a little corner while we can talk about these things Yeah, real politics real the people who understand hypothetical like Things can talk about them. You could be over there Not understanding them. It's fucking flawless logic. I don't have to address the morality of this if it's not possible I'm starting to think of like say for example Why don't we even say it's not possible at this point once we get to cloning and shit? Like you believe it's not going to be not possible Yeah, that's that's the other point is I'm not I'm not sure that it is going to be impossible forever But let's go children of men for a second and be like, yeah, there's no more kids in the world And the the species is going to slowly die and then someone's like is it wrong to kill children? And someone's like well, it's not even possible. So who cares? Yeah, like what? Oh, cool, bro. Like what are you doing? What is that answer? What the fuck? Yeah, and like calls it was convinced. It's a good idea. He's like He just always reminds me of how fucking terribly is it anything he does but he's like Just he's just really love. He's like Loki The show not the character And I don't know like Why would you say something like that? To escape the conversation. I think you didn't want to talk about it. Yeah, but if you don't want to talk about it Don't talk about it. Just don't say anything. No, don't bring it up Dude, he got like a shit ton of like thousands and thousands of likes for saying it's not actually Yeah, I don't happen. So shut up. It's like Yeah This is a deep thinker right there. That's fucking modern day Socrates. Yeah Yeah, modern day Socrates. He doesn't want to grapple with questions because You'll never have to actually make a decision. I don't believe that it's optimal therefore. It's not even worth discussing Oh, dude, I'm glad you brought I've been uh, I started reading the the Socrates stuff that was written by Plato Dude Socrates was the coolest fucking guy. He's such an interesting dude Fine when you go marry him He just He was one of the pioneers of uh, the concept of objectivity separating Well, I mean, I think uh, I think like our patron in a way long removed. Well, the really cool part was um Just just uh, it's the process the process of how do you get to this conclusion? It's just asking questions of yourself and trying to figure out the answers to that question and then taking it from there It's just a really good fundamental process And it's funny because I got pioneered thousands of years ago, but like even still we still working on it like they're not We're still not doing it. Diogenes was cooler. Diogenes was a gigachat though. It's it's unfair. Um Well, you know, it's just he he he just chilled out in his little vase in the middle of Athens talking to all these people Why bother talking about Socrates? He's not real. Well, you're right. He doesn't exist anymore. So he's not lying. It doesn't matter I mean, it's he that's the thing Socrates some of these old guys like they might not even have actually existed Oh homo. Yeah, like it's it's it's uh, it's it's legitimately up for debate Whether homo was like one person or a collection of people across history Oh, really? I didn't know that well because in springfield or whatever Nice. Well, I mean, that's yeah Well, that's that's the interesting part right is uh with um With with homers. It's like well, it was so long ago Nobody knows exactly where the stories came from So why would we assume that it was one guy and not just multiple people? Creating and and building on the story I do I do personally like the idea though that homo was just a guy like just one guy who came up with this really cool like story for his time that that's uh, there's something neat about that But um Yeah, we don't know that there's a lot of these figures where we don't quite know The interesting thing is like a lot of these guys were lost to history for a long time So who knows what people we we still aren't aware of Who was super who had lots of interesting things to say because we just haven't really figured that out Do people say that about Shakespeare? I think they do Um said about a decent amount of writers the idea of like how many of what How much of it is attributable to one person rather than multiple people? um It seems more likely to me though that homo was multiple people just because it was so long ago and because like That didn't really exist like stories like that up until that point Because I think I think the Odyssey was like the second one after Gilgamesh in terms of its scope um For like a story back then Or even a narrative at all really a big narrative that was written down an epic poem Well, yeah Because I know I know like World strokes, but I feel it was like one of those classics that you should read I think that's what they're they're really called. They're epic poems Yes, they were called epic poems. Technically. Yeah. Yeah um, I need to read um Paradise Lost as well I have that Going around. Yeah, too much stuff to read Why do we get in this subject? Oh, right Socrates because the modern Socrates about time cosmonaut And the next one says Fringu calm down. Hi rags Hello It's like speaking into the future Yeah Little long bone of mule flington abbey. Have you given any thought to a kong fap movie fap of peter jackson's long kong? It'd be a movie fap for the ages. I think you said that last time and uh, yes I'm not sure when But yes, we are still still on board with the idea. I'll probably do it at some point Maybe they you know some kind of arc Uh p.s. Hello waggly-f waggly walk switches for the good boy Oh, thank you Oi fringo Going through that shit Uh quite the cosmoronic cast here. She is That was a fun noise good pun Yeah, it was a fun noise Uh, don't you just love the on-the-nose dialogue in the show? I see a scared little boy shivering in the cold I'm a hedonist. I could be wrong, but Loki never struck me as a hedonist thoughts Yeah, he's not a hedonist. He was very cold and calculated and he wouldn't succumb to earthly pleasures and Yeah, if anything he was he was basically he was like a uh macchiavelli More than anything else Yeah The only time I could think of like maybe when that would come out is when he's won Um, and the closest we'll see of that is in ragnarok Other than that, that's what i'm saying is like the he's gone control of asgard He has everything he wants and he's just sort of lying down and watching plays and stuff because he's like, yeah, I did it Yeah, I achieved my goal so He's not gonna be doing that. Yeah. Um, yeah, I really hate the dialogue in the show. There's lots of lines that piss me off Um, like for example when they like watch out for his illusion projections And then he's like, um, excuse me illusions and projections are different things You see because an illusion is like, look what are you doing? Why would you want them to know this to them? Yeah Yeah, that's right. They think yeah, they are the same thing. Yeah Yeah, that's right. They sure are you bet That's uh, right. You got it. You did it. Good job. You guys are congratulations. I'm proud of you You guys are very intellectual I'm so like you don't yeah Ike sue is baby girl I I don't know who to who dad I don't know either hike sue. Yeah h a i x you Ike sue Hi hi zoo. I yeah, I don't I don't know who that is I don't know who that is Nothing ages worse than seaman. Shad looks at his olden children. Yeah, you're right about that. Love you shad Oh, that's true um Wow another reactionary type stream gosh don't can you at least leave jay's house vid while on while you're doing While you make it That's a reference that's a reference It's actually an additional chapter in that story now and it might be on the next e-fap that we go over it Um, oh boy, really? really Wait, you know Okay, oh, oh, oh, I shoot right. I think rags and metal don't have full context. They've probably heard about it though You told me about it. I'll uh, I'll leave the the mystery for you guys um Yeah, I can't remember if I told metal anything though Did I show them the meme? I did have some messages with jay today. So I might be I'm not entirely sure how Up to date those infos are though Yeah, probably on next saturday. Um, we'll we'll maybe cover it depends on what's what's on the docket, you know It's quite a funny development though um Tell me why uh parts the caribbean 2 and 3 are bad or you're a massive um I don't know that I think pirates the caribbean 2 is bad um The last time I watched I think I came away thinking like there's potential and there's some stuff that I really like that they're doing but um Can't remember what the question but three I remember being like shit man That is bad and the problem is I haven't seen them as so long but I can't be really I can't really be that specific Um, I don't know if you guys have any specific memories of why two and three were bad Last time I watched it was when we did like the marathon thingy like three years ago or something. I don't know Most of them. I don't think I've watched those. I've watched the first movie and then I watched that one you showed me the most recent one Dead men tell their tales, right? Yeah. Yeah, you made me watch that and it was fucking awful Well, we'll do a parts caribbean arc at some point. I can watch it again. That'll be fun. Yeah Well, I'd be fun to watch the first one Oh, yeah, first one's awesome. Oh, yeah The first one was the one with that cool fight in the spinning wheel, right? That was uh, that's the second one That's yeah, then I guess I have seen the second one. All right, light That's the other thing as well parts caribbean soundtrack. It's fucking ball. Oh, oh, yeah, amazing Loki should be a villain not some lame soy boy This is the thing. I even said he was more villainous by the time Thanos killed him than he was in the first episode of Loki show. What the fuck's going on? Really weird and you could just tell they wanted a different character. They didn't have to deal with 2012 Loki they want someone else and in which case don't don't write a show called Loki Yeah, make your own fucking character. Jesus. Yeah, make your own goddamn thing Ruin your own shit Yeah especially when you have a character that's Doesn't want to be called Loki called to serve sylvie uses different weapons different Scales different abilities just do something else. Just yeah You just wanted to do your little sylvie fanfiction character. Yeah like Kenneth Branagh and Joss Whedon's work and then this person just took it was like this is mine now and it's not this is mine now It's different. Oh, yeah, that's right. Kenneth Branagh made uh The first one, you know, there's gonna be more people involved of course including Tom Hiddleston, but I just it's just sad. Yeah It is it is uh, yeah I can't we just have bad guys What was that sorry? I wonder if Tom cares or have you even read? Don't know I'm cares deeply, but I think he's probably I don't know. I'm not sure what he thinks about this I think because like, you know, I think he's happy to play the character What Mark Hamill said about Luke that is rare as fuck like you just never come across Actors like openly being like, you know what you fucked my character up. I played him to perfection, but I didn't like it Look like that. Just like yeah, well, you're probably not allowed to disparage like Yeah, you're probably not allowed to yeah That's lame Howdy, I tried to break down exactly how bad the dce used Jesus slash Superman imagery was in a theological sense because I'm Catholic But I'm it's so contradictory. I couldn't nail down what they were trying to say Probably because it was a bunch of bullshit That's super interesting honestly like the idea of seeing like somebody who is a theologian What the theologian is that what it is when you'd like that's you focus I think that's I think that's like a you can get a degree in theology, but you Yeah, um, yeah like a casual Like not a professional theologian. I guess I don't know like that's super interesting though That'd be interesting to think about like how Because it's clearly Jesus imagery and it's like, hmm How is it actually fitting into like what you guys are referencing? Yeah Yeah, that's that's really uh, that's does he want to I don't yeah I don't get that post does he just want to give the world a big old hug. I just don't I don't get it I think it is a really simplistic I'm gonna go ahead and speak and be super like charitable towards the I would imagine that it is an incredibly shallow interpretation of anything to would like Jesus or Or um, or you know, it's a kind of shallow when it's literally just like an image reference Yeah, I think that's shallow It's obvious, but it's shallow like it's obviously trying to be religious symbolism I don't know if you guys get me backward here. I'm saying like saying it shallow is like giving it too much Yeah, I know it's man. Yeah But um, that's the thing I I can believe that Zach had no fucking clue what he was doing He's just like, I don't know I put a cross here part across there My grandma's got one on her wall. Those are pretty sweet A lot of recommendations But I think we can all agree three efat movies that need to happen our ice age At least the first one dodge ball and jim carries ht gsc What's ht gsc? I was about us. Yeah, I have no clue Feel like I should know it. Whatever it is I got no idea. Yeah I'll rely on chat Good chat chat chat But um, I mean, yeah, we could probably do ice age as a selection at some point How to Grinch. So christmas. Oh Oh Yeah, we could do that. Oh Maybe we could do a grinch arc. We could do the original. Yeah, we could do live action and the elimination one And when they remake it with well, they did They did a couple years ago. Oh melissa mccarthy remake of Don't say it's impossible. Okay. Well, I mean we're already got little mermaid and she's Ursula. Oh, man We agree Man like Why can't they oh Yeah, think about all these remakes and I got a comment on my video where someone's like, why do you care? It's like because do you realize that like the people who are employed in this industry could be making other films, right? Like they could be making something else They could be making something running their own characters and stories Nah You really need life experience to understand that Loki is a product of its time Frankly, if you just like it, you're wrong slash ass. Well I think you'll find that plenty of people think it's phenomenal Um, and they are coming all size and shapes all ages And uh, just yeah, just tread lightly, you know some people think the Define, do there's any kids growing up that considers like they're gonna be like Loki was like my show when I watched that That was my show and I was growing up. Yeah, holy crap. Could you imagine? I can't talk on the all the other kids in the short bus. Yeah What's your favorite show like Loki when I grew up, I wouldn't be an alligator A lofty goal. That's all right shoot for the moon, mate Shoot for the moon you'll fall among the stars except you won't because the stars are further away than the moon You'll just fall back to earth and die Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss you'll land amongst the swamp A run of fresh swamp What ha what are you doing in my swamp? Why is gary here boo get life experience? Well, he would have the most life experience. So he has the most. Yeah Makes sense to me Shad thoughts on Dark Souls 3's coiled sword and then just says rag Oh Um, yeah, I guess well we cannot find the answer to that today Um, I don't know how to get more Kang's came to take over we to believe Kang just Snipes other timelines to keep other Kang's from being born to usurp It's like the decoy episode of rick and morty. They start dressing up in squids and killing each other Well, here's the thing. I don't know if sniping like sniping implies some level of precision and finesse He's just like cluster bombing and saying to who it may concern Hmm Yeah, I mean they're never going to give us more information than we've already gotten on how the fuck any of that works But we're done. We're moving the fuck on. Yeah, this reminds me of Mandalorian where it's like, how do those fobs work? So we might get that in season two if someone says we might get more explanation on how Kang organized the timeline It's like the small animals like nah. No, we're not getting anymore. This is all we're getting We were lucky to get that What if at the very end it wasn't Kang? It was just a super old Loki and he was trying to trim all the universes of loki's Because he hides him Because he knows that the loki's They could kill Yeah, I was just saying maybe the maybe he's think like the loki's are the ones who could potentially stop me I know I could you know a variance of myself are particularly clever and guileful So I have to stop other loki's from being created Instead of just whole fucking universes and shit with his multiverse nonsense And so the big bad is a multiverse loki and he at least it kind of ties the loki thing together I think that's way, um, was it wasn't an e-fap we were talking about like If you wanted to arc loki from bad guy to good guy One of the cooler ways you could do that is by making the season one villain the worst loki And the our loki has to see what himself and like the darkest timeline looks like And and how his traits sort of led to that You know and that that season there's a whole season before we even Roach the topic of him being a good guy Yeah, that sounds like you might have a plan Yeah, take your time and develop your stuff. No, I don't know about that my dude We need more content More content More content. We needed out in time for the investors to be happy. The next thing to be things In the soon actually pretty sad thinking about captain midnight. What are his points of praise was how it sets up more stuff It's like no, man. Yeah, it's it's pretty depressing You're the perfect person that disney just needs more of yeah They love you man. You're the reason. I mean, that's the thing. You're why media is shit And he says it like without a hint of understanding of like what he's even saying it's really weird, isn't it? Like you are just the perfect consumer like you are you They love you just accept buy the product get excited for next product There's a reason that meme is undying at this point. Yeah, it really is How does it feel to see all your favorite franchises die? It's great. It was great. Yeah It was great Move over touch grass and welcome frolic in the mud Yeah Hello all more importantly high rags Hello, I'm a blazing bisexual myself, but I have trouble talking to females any advice I don't know what bisexual has to do with the second part. Um, so I guess he's in trouble with men, but he does with women Maybe um Let me see I guess if I could give you like advice in general It would be you want to be So have a sense of humor bitches love a sense of humor. Don't be a dry boring loser be someone that Someone wants to be around if you're not someone that people would want to be around in a romantic capacity or otherwise It's going to be a lot more difficult Like people won't want to be around. It's it's kind of self-explanatory Um, that's too generic though kind of um be You want to straddle the line between approachable and intimidating? That makes any sense You want to be the kind of person Who can be seen as tough and strong when you need to be but who cares and is Compassionate as well like you have you can't be all one way, you know, you yeah, you have to be able to No, you want to give out the vibe that you have a switch that you control You are the one who controls what your mood is and what your disposition is like and I'm just trying to throw out all this general kind of stuff because it's very gotta be very general here And that says lemma I kind of I need to know the girl to be able to give advice probably They're all different And they were quite different approaches Be a good listener and I know that sounds lame, but like actually like actually do that In general in life, that's gonna do you well Like one of the the the key hacks is like just recall information that people have told you in the past Like I used to be afraid to do that because it's like wow, how the fuck did you remember that you fucking weirdo? Yeah, when you um There's a gal who works at CVS close by and one time she told me uh some just stuff about her past life Uh her past life. It makes like her her her her just her past life When she was like part of the She used to she used to be Uh in high school and in early college She was a super talented swimmer and she was potentially bound for the olympics But one day she was hiking at pinnacle mountain state park and she really hurt her back when she fell Which kind of ruined her ambitions for Olympic level swimming and so she got into the military and Was doing army tours and she mentioned that she was doing armory stuff And that was one of the things that she kind of liked to do and I recalled some of this to her The next time I was at the store and I saw her and she smiled and it's a little thing But fucking just that's the thing. It's it's all that little things that add up Just remember what people tell you Yeah, ask questions. Ask questions is another good one. Don't you know come across as crazy But you know learn from what they're talking about and figure out what kind of stuff you think they'd want to actually explain when prompted Yeah People like it when you ask them questions oftentimes like a little show that you're interested in There are plenty of books that are on this as well If you need that just there are plenty of books you can read on this stuff if you if you really want to Imagine yourself in their shoes Would you want to hang out with you? Yeah, would you want to hang out which is funny because I wouldn't want to hang out with me But I would want to hang out with you Fringy That's all that matters, right? Is if other people want to I I am like strangely Like negative though about If we suck up to Fringy, are we green nosers? I think so Well only I guess in a certain sense. Yeah Hmm The more you know you have green poo Poopy shad. How do you pronounce king Arthur's lands? Is there a name for that? I don't know the name of his lance I they're not confusing it with his his his champion knights or lance a lot, right? I don't think so. I don't know. Maybe he had a lance Um, I'm not sure. I'm sure as a king he did have a lance, but he probably had many lances He probably had a ludicrous amount of lances Okay, so here I found something apparently this is the name Rongo minyad Oh the name yeah rongo minyad, okay Yeah post it in discord too Yeah, I mean it would be interesting to see if there's a better pronunciation on this shad's aware of or something Um Welcome back from the dead ass Yeah, has been doing he does sometimes I wonder if he has any time to actually uh sleep and eat and stuff He does a lot of streaming So glad to see shad a real australian finally hi If up on my birthday you shouldn't have currently bar hopping so have one on me you massives Oh, thank you Happy birthday Um, it's a good one me seeing new he-man superman's man of steel next nap yell All I've heard is it's disastrous from like everybody Um, and then of course there's the scores and then there's the fact that the marketing was a complete at Like jesus christ because I'm I'm just not into he-man outside of the memes. I love the memes But good god like another one there it goes Well, yeah, we need to stop because the last of us too did it where like joll was like, oh, I'm gonna hope you out Ellie it's like this is just bullshit like this is in the fucking in the game You're lying to me Yeah Because you know that I wouldn't buy it or like I'd be more upset if uh, I find new the truth I actually almost watched he-man today This was like man Right do today because it was like just resting from all the drinking last night He said friends over It's like, uh, maybe I give this or maybe I want to talk about it Then I did like something else for five minutes. I was like, I'm not gonna watch it And then I heard everything else about it's like man. Am I glad that I didn't watch it Rags says we like it's a political party Yeah, that's something someone said Vote efep. Oh talking Loki. Yay. I can't wait to put this newly tied noose to you What's the thing man going forward? You should always have one pair just in case don't tie it every time Um, Loki's legacy going forward with Marvel We're just gonna randomly make jokes about whenever we say someone wanted something to happen It was really like I can wanted it That's it like Fuck me because because of course the most of this bullshit will be in doctor strange and in spider-man and Oh I guess me so worried. I feel like doctor strange that one like with spider-man. I'm hoping that's just not gonna be as big a part of it Just don't look all I ask. Don't assassinate him. Please don't assassinate him. Please. He's like the only character that's left Well, that's the thing. I've already like I almost feel like I've given up on doctors like he'll get ruined I feel like he spots. Yeah. I feel like he's screwed. I don't think he stands a chance Fucking one is already gone. I don't think they can salvage it because I don't think they even recognize that there's a problem here Falcon and bucky are gone Yeah, they're gone. Shoot a lot of this maybe even Thor be okay. Hopefully well Thor in the guardians We'll be keeping an eye on them. Yeah Yeah, keeping a close eye on them Um, man fucking sucks Yeah Hi dogs Hello We're gonna say mel Oh, just was i've been watching like a bunch of old movies now There's some action movies and stuff's like man those stories are so simple that they just work on a basic level Yeah, it's same with me watched a watched a really great one of my favorite movies a really great movie recently for no reason at all Man, it's just yeah, it's a really straightforward story about these guys in the room just talking about something It's really cool. It's a really cool neat story I watched die hard again. I probably I It's funny. That's a movie. I know I watched at some point, but then I rewatched like man. I don't remember anything about this And I was like love I was impressed how solid it is. Yeah It's like damn super great movie great great uh great villain Just just when it starts how they tell you how did the relationship between uh him and uh His uh his wife is He was like, oh, it's just small talk between the limo guy and him's like, yeah, that makes sense. I've seen it Happening in real life without any problems. It's like It's not like someone's just talking to me in the audience Like I know these two characters are talking to each other and I get the info through this That's why I don't want us to think that from a lot of classic movies when people see them It's like so my movie I'm gonna need to have you know a set piece or two of action scenes I need to have a romance. I need to have a nice injection of comedy. Yeah, like all of these things. It was just like No, they were actually they were just really well written. They were really consistent as well Like yeah, just have great you can again You can have just some men sitting in a room talking to each other for about an hour Yeah, all right men Wow I'm just giving an example from a movie just a really a really great movie about Your biases showing About these these these guys in a room just talking about something Yeah, and that's all you need to have a riveting story I'm sure and you'll learn you'll learn all. Yeah, you know, it's just yeah So it makes me happy with a fellowship in moria. What big room That is a big room. That's true. Yeah, really big room. That's what I thought Bunch of men in a room Is wolf gonna be an efab 150? Well, I think the last we heard from wolf on an efab was 100 where he said He would only probably consider coming back for guest spot on 1000 because they sort of Excellent job to get here sort of thing But obviously just no promises for anything other than he is he's still absolutely off the internet from what I understand Thank you for entertaining me for hours. No problem. That sounds great Yes Back when daredevil was cancelled. I was pretty bummed but now I'm downright thankful that it got cancelled before the taint plaguing marvel ruined it Dude, they're coming back. Now. It's been rumored that vincent donoffere is going to be in uh in hawkeye playing kingpin Yeah, so we used to be sad because daredevil is popular like everybody likes the show So they're gonna bring daredevil like it would it would have been luckier was like iron fist If you liked iron fist and you like that show you're fine. They ain't bringing that guy back But then it was too loved Is this not some kind of like fucking curse story where it's like your love for the the product is going to get it destroyed It's gonna create yeah I know right because there was a time and I was like man. I just want daredevil to show up I want legitimacy. I just want there to be legitimacy for this character And now we're gonna get it probably For like all of them because get daredevil he's probably gonna be showing up and apparently showing up in a lot of stuff He might get his own show eventually Kingpin it's like oh man care fucking hell. I'm so worried about what they're gonna do I'm so worried. These are great actors and great characters and They'll they'll have great performances no doubt But I get so worried about what the material is gonna be Yeah, just do give like if you do daredevil let him do his own thing Maybe have like a character or two shot Maybe have spider-man shot But otherwise just let it be its own thing and I get worried as well because like daredevil was It's a mature character And like I don't see them doing mature stuff for the mcu not really Like I think they think that falcon and the winter soldier is like mature. That's like their mature content I think they think that It was like my politics kind of we we talked about politics for like 10 minutes in the show Yeah, you probably do better senator do better. Yeah This is me. This is riveting political commentary do better Yeah, uh, be very afraid. That's what we've learned. Yes. Be very afraid. Yeah um Working on case files and seeing nearly half of last night's friday night tight shocked here listening to guys discuss Minimum effort comic book release show instead of my fashion channels. Well done. Watch madmen, please Okay It's neat Um, but yeah, I've heard madmen's really good only haven't heard that Um, I know I was talking low-key, but I must ask if task manager mimics his opponents And taskie is mimicking hawkeye with a bow. How come he shoots the bow right-handed when rena's hawkeye is a lefty Because he's like a mirror It also show him The same side so it doesn't work, but it's like an inverse mirror. It's like a fucked up marvel mirror weird mirror No Um, I know it may be impossible How would you handle the mcu going forward without the option to get rid of low-key? And I think they mean as a show not as a character Yeah, um I'm not sure that Could this be an example of where it's like so if i'm not allowed to change anything in terms of the spirit of that show I can't make it all a dream or a trick or a bubble Well, so they're saying how would you fix it going forward and I'm just like I don't know that we can do anything about it Can because it's retroactive. That's the thing what it doesn't just fuck up fuck with things to come It destroys. Yeah, everything came before it. It's retroactively ruinous to put another another way when you have something, um If you if you want us to make it so that we have to say that it happened and then we can work around it There are some things we can we can deal with that with for example, um The events of age of ultron and civil war try to make up. I think fry and man three where it like fucked up tony To a certain degree with different things and that's the thing you introduce ptsd and then make it a joke The next writer can make it not a joke Like that's you know, you that's a form of repairing. How do you repair what happened in low-key? It's like I I don't know We would obviously first choice is to retcon it second choice is to ignore it third choice. Like I don't think there is one That's it the your options Yeah, I don't know what else we can do if we can't erase it if we can't say it's an illusion or a dream or You said man. I'm I mean If we have a multiverse Mm-hmm Yeah, if we have a multiverse now, then can we just start following a multiverse where low-key that where all that stuff didn't happen Well, isn't it? Even if you followed a different universe, it doesn't matter. Yeah Um We're screwed basically I said you have doctor strange plucked low-key out from the when he was fucking around with a space stone And he tried to get information out of him regarding. I don't know what can fade the world I guess we just have to Yeah, it was a dream Start over with new characters and everything We also the reason why I'm going doc strange is because they've set a precedent the doc strange has power over low-key as a magician Which I'm fine with by the way, because he's the fucking sorcerer supreme Um, and then you you have it be the we we can we can work this out We can figure out what is it that low-key knows that doc strange needs and then by the end of season two of low-key I guess that information comes to light and then doc strange is like lol I was the one that because that gives us free reign to do whatever the fuck we want with low-key season two We can literally make anything happen. Yeah, we can start over try again um And then we have you know a confused and frustrated low-key We would even have him saying like that wasn't fucking me What were you even doing to me in there and doc strange can be like, you know, it takes so many forms It runs so many simulations anything can happen. I can make you care about people Yeah, I know a crazy, right? Yeah, start fucking with them. Yeah So that's that's the kind of shit I'd want to do with it in terms of repairs But if you want me to maintain the spirit of the show and that it you know everything happens Like I feel it we're fucked Yeah Um your rags look up toxa plasma. What the fuck? Oxa plasma Toxoplasma to xo plasma It's an infection caused by a single cell parasite called toxa plasma gondii When the parasite is while the parasites counter the world with a 40 million people in the us may be infected with it Oh, no It's considered to be a leading cause of death attributed to foodborne illness in the united states more, um Let me see Um Let's see So let me see found worldwide. It is capable of infecting virtually all warm-blooded animals But felids such as domestic cats are the only known definitive post The parasite may undergo sexual reproduction chad cats Wait, sorry what? Oh, no, it's the opposite of that. Yeah Toxoplasma gondii has been shown to alter the behavior of infected rodents in ways that increase the rodents chances of being preyed upon by felids Support for this manipulation hypothesis stems from studies showing that t gondii infected rats have a decreased Aversion to cat urine Because cats are the only host with within which t gondii can sexually reproduce to complete and begin its life cycle Such behavioral manipulations are thought to be evolutionary adaptations that increase the parasite's reproductive success Brats that do not avoid cat's habitations will more likely become cat prey That's what I I I misheard it. I thought it was saying that cats would like the only ones with an immunity to it It's actually the opposite. They're like the right after you said they would chads. He's like sexual It's just like wait what? Also hi shad We're gonna say hi back We'll look like studies have suggested that subtle behavior Behavioral or personality changes may occur may occur and infected humans An infection with the parasite has recently been associated with a number of neurological disorders, particularly schizophrenia and bipolar disorder Hmm Interesting Uh mola played jackie chan stunt master for super chat. I've never heard of that. Have you guys heard of that? No, one more time. Thank you chan stunt master No, I don't know about that Also, I will be right back Not all makes sense. Loki will go back somehow get beat up by a normal dude who takes the tack and is responsible for future Kang having the tack I don't think they're gonna fuck with Kang's history again now. I think we're gonna be going forward I don't know what's loki season two is gonna be about. I'm sure it's gonna be lame Loki will return it loki season two. Yeah, that was pretty cringy No Um gary any chance you and as will follow up babel on five with stagae sg1 also high rags Um, I don't know. I've heard them talk about that a decent bit. They're not Anyway near through babel on five the two of them. So If it happened, it won't be for some time, but hey, maybe they will Um, you asked before ds9 is like star wars. Oh g tng is more like mcu phase one hit or miss enterprise. It's like star wars et Voyager is like the clone wars overrated and probably the worst of the old track and new track is sequel trilogy My god. Oh boy. Yeah, I have to keep track of them all. But yeah, all right I'm very much. I'm sure someone in chess can be like what how could you compare that to that? It's gonna be like, yeah Give us a decade and we might have a star trek arc. Okay guys No We'll do a resident evil one, but not a star trek one. Wow Yeah So Thanos is Kang's bitch or at least that's what the show says everyone is Kang's bitch Oh Mola why is midnight your favorite doctor who episode? Um, because I think it puts the doctor in a position of um, but I've told you this before and I I've told j We should do a stream on midnight sometime because I really do love that episode, but the doctor, especially tenants doctor Um is a good kind and intelligent person But gets aggressive when people are wasting time and not solving problems Um and will in a bantery way He has in several episodes like when people like how you do in x y and z and you be like because I'm very clever and you'll carry on Um, and so like but he's also the most ego driven doctor potentially. I'm not sure if someone beats him out Um in like one of the older ones Um, and so like his arc involves going on a huge ego trip But basically all these traits end up making him very formidable and threatening to villains that feel like they're winning But aren't actually And midnight is about like this parasite thing that gets inside a room with him and the rest of them like random civilians and like it's method of trying to achieve some form of a victory is by Making the rest of them turn on him and so He's like vaguely aware of this and is trying to solve the problem But as time goes on and more and more people get more frustrated with how ego driven he is They get more and more convinced that he's the problem and he should be dealt with And there's this moment in the episode that I love Where he's trying over and over again to explain how wrong everyone is until they're getting more and more aggressive And then he sort of realizes like halfway through that the more he annoys them by telling them He's smart the more he endangers himself and that's like his main tool And so he like feels threatened for the first time And it's just a bunch of humans in a room the people that he like spends most of his time trying to save I really enjoy it. I think the dialogue is pretty awesome too Throughout and of course, I really like David Tennant's doctor. Um It's not necessarily what I think the best episode of doctor who is I but it would definitely be one of the ones I potentially pick And I think it's awesome the whole like repeating words back and forth and Like lining up speeches and stuff and then freezing people in place Like it's considering how limited a lot of the things are in it. I think it's pretty spooky Um And yeah, and David Tennant's a really good actor too. So that helps I recommend anybody who doesn't give a shit about doctor who check out the episode called midnight Because um out of context it still works really well if you just understand that the main character is a well-traveled space and time alien Who looks to solve problems Okay Oh mel, you're here. No Also, why is wilfred mott your favorite side character? I don't know that he is my favorite side character He probably up there as well. He's uh, he's just a really stand-up dude who's trying to do what's best for everybody He's really chill and fun Um, I like the angel episode. Yeah blink is one of the other ones that's in that sort of format. I would say Do fantasy is usually set in medieval european societies? Why do you guys think an american mythology slash colonial fantasy story? But what do you think it would look like? Sorry American mythology slash colonial fantasy story um I suppose so that has to be generated from thin air right like mythological but american and I suppose One way you could do that is by looking at how more european medieval societies Um, how they reflect the modern and then if you look at modern america And imagine what a mythology based on that could have led to it Um, because we brought up one of the things before that was quite interesting where um in britain we don't describe how to get places by saying blocks and that's because Houses were springing up all over the place in britain and then they were like Repaved over and different things and so all the systems come together like this huge jigsaw of just eras Meanwhile america a lot of it was created with blocks in mind to begin with for the like efficient spacing and stuff And so maybe that could be something you can make up that when they were first made in medieval america It was um, they were made in blocks for whatever reason Um america has folklore too, you know, well, I thought well if we're making this up entirely But if you want to go from um That era's stories as well trying to let combo it up like transposing a medieval european sort of uh history for an america that didn't actually happen Uh, at least that way, you know, like because I'm kind of interested by the idea like making it up Based on what we know about other things American tall tales And folklore. Yeah, there's loads of potential there. Um, I just I don't know potentially. I'm not entirely sure what it would look like I am back I'll take the best superhero cartoon is spectacular spider-man and not bm tas It was bm tas Batman the animated series. Yeah There's bm stamp for batman. I guess so I just I always hear it referred to as b-tas rather than bm task Yeah, I'm just Um Spectacular spider-man. Yeah, maybe I don't know I'm really I haven't seen much of any of these animated shows I just see clips every once in a while and then people very passionately discussing them like all righty then Um, I never thought I'd like the Thor films more in retrospect. They aren't good But at least Loki acts like fucking Loki. This is the thing. I think if you watch Thor one again, you're probably gonna have to be in like Ah That was nice Instead of being like what the fuck Geeks and gamers raid. Oh I didn't even know what happened my bad Um, yeah, hope you're all doing all right if you if you are still here Thank you, Jeremy Um, why couldn't infinity wall be the ending of the mc? Hmm can be to you if you want I was gonna say if you're gonna draw a line and people are picking after any games like I don't know if you want to include end game Yeah Watch me pretty broken Um, thanks for talking about rick and morty up to season three and loving it. I'm dreading this season five though Yeah Um, have fun while it lasts That'll be too dramatic. You know, it could still have some good stuff left Uh, the show fringe did a better job of establishing a war between realities and timelines than Loki tried to do in my opinion Uh, I've not seen fringe But or did come up a bunch though Fringe in in the Loki thematic, but yeah In the Loki what? I forgot what I said It was like two seconds ago, but all right Hey, it's almost 3 a.m. Okay, give me raya Um, yeah, I I don't I haven't seen fringe, but if it deals with wars between Realities and timelines sounds like it's enough to juggle already, but I could imagine it might do better than Loki. Yeah Wait It's not judge. I I don't know I think judge abrams is executive producer on that show My god, let me double check I'm pretty sure that space. What are we not allowed to like anything with him springy? Come on Well, I'm just saying it's yeah, judge abrams executive producer co-creator with alex curtsman Yeah, exactly Exactly, it could still be fucking great. Okay I mean anything could be great. Yeah, Debbie downer And uh, the guy who also co-created it was the co-writer of amazing spider-man 2 and star trek into darkness free stop And transformers one and transformers two Hey transformers one is considered the best one And watchman by uh, snyder a lot of people like that one, you know, okay All right Hello evap isn't kang basically just rick a scientist who meets up with different visions of himself pickle rick is the big bad for phase four There's similarities I could see you could draw i'd want to see pickle rick taken on the mcu So weird to see the mcu references in uh rick and morty. It's like a And then it's like a shitty episode too. It's like It's funny how a shitty episode references shitty marvel movies, which were written by a fucking rick and morty former writers like I don't It's very confusing. Why would you shoot on something that your own friends are making? Like what's going on? By the way, what was that about that one that the writer himself Said that the episode was bad or something I didn't really understand what was going on there. That's right. The masturbation the the semen one But why did you do crap, but you wrote it so I don't know. Yeah, that's weird Very weird Go on pull that little flubber thing A squid what's the code? What's the code? I got him this time. It's the triple jump that kept screwing me over Yeah Maybe it eats space in time in portions, but not all the space and time it exists in like it can eat in Strands, I don't know just I don't think the writers deserve you to even try to explain the stupid monster It's so this whole place is so stupid because as far as we can tell this thing is like infinitely big Because there's so much stuff that gets teleported to the end of time So I don't I don't believe that there's only low keys running around there. That's insane Should be a lot of people in different kinds of cities all over the place um Yeah, I just again like they they kid so little that when it's like hey, maybe it works all of this way. I'm just like So like like put neva in there to try and explain us Uh, what are some movies that are eight plus in quality? The movies Well bars the whole cornetto trilogy actually Yeah, I mean eight plus like well prestige Unforgiven. Yep Um seven private ryan whiplash is a good one 12 anger men Remains of the day The father But Die hard probably. Yeah, I think die hard as an eight. Yeah, so just watching it. That's pretty tight. It's pretty tight You know what chat's probably suggesting a whole bunch right now. I would look but I'm doing weird things. Oh, yeah, joker jaws I haven't seen jaws in forever, but probably me too, but it probably do all maybe I think do or break out Matrix, I think it's an eight or above. Yeah, I think matrix would be an eight or above Good chance. Yeah Bike club. Yeah. Yeah Django glorious bastards creditor Wally Yeah Yeah, the credible is ratatouille I enjoy alien aliens. Yeah I enjoy probably Yeah, I really like that movie Chronicles probable eight plus Unicorn store, I'm not sure Oh unicorn store. I mean that was uh, oh, yeah, that was great American psycho. Yeah, the gray. We directed that. I keep forgetting that. That was our director debut She directed it Yeah, my god, I completely forgot that. Well either. I was never told that I forgot it, but man I think we knew that I think that's why we watched it Good for her You mean, um, unicorn store? Mm-hmm. Yeah, Brie Larson directed it. Oh, yeah Yeah, no, I know that's what I mean, but more I forgot. Mm-hmm Prince of Egypt is uh, yeah, I think that one's definitely would be up there Prince of Egypt is a really good movie. It's got a great villain. Yeah. Yeah Fantastic animation the soundtrack Soundtrack in that movie is wonderful ringy coom. So that's how you know You know what a movie you you remember the road to El Dorado. Do you guys remember watching that? I love the road to El Dorado. I really like that movie. Yeah Um, it's one of my favorites shame. They're gonna ruin it. Yeah Well, I don't think they're ever that well The film was not successful when it first came out, but people are now starting to like it a bit more Now like it's sort of almost got a cold Uh Following and I wonder I wonder if they're gonna come for that to you know, like, hey, let's make just do this one Once we start remaking like Shrek Oh god Remake over the hedge Stop this one over the hedge a lot. I like over the head. Yeah, that one's fun Bruce Willis was in that one um Do you get tired of reading super chats? I get that it's engaging and supportive But most seem to be old jokes or recommendations. You can't reasonably look into Um, I mean, honestly that represents like one of 10 categories or two of 10 categories rather there's Uh questions that are things we've just never been asked before there's news that we've just we're unaware of there's like People posting just how they feel about certain things we've done whether positive or negative. There's I mean the next one is um Asking about the potential for efab movies classic where we look at like really old films like west side story And of course, I don't think we've ever answered that question before as a possibility. So You know, I I'm I'm perfectly engaged by the super chats I find that there's enough new stuff and the funny stuff to keep me going Yeah And plus if you answer if you ask like if you ask really good questions that we can discuss and are interesting They will maybe increase the quality of the super chat portions Oh, do you see that friend? I got stuck on this part like fucking 10 hours last time I played it I said that first I remember that you kept missing and like Jumping over things What did you just do just getting my little flimpy fish thing to uh the star like it it it's awkward on that little stand but It's like doxels if I'd missed out the first try I would have missed it again for like 20 Well, we're doing like the the the slidey tisms on the water with the The goober I think it's called a goober or goober Uh, I think it's a blooper A blooper not a blooper stop it. No, I don't think that a blooper is better No, it's not blooper is better than blooper Well, I don't support racism so But you're I thought fringy would want to call it a gooper Well, because the goo well, no it has its own distinct identity. I don't need to Pillage that from them That's a really weird looking at it Bloopers of their own entities they have their own reasons for being called because I'm not gonna just come along and stamp my thing on it I'm not uh Cortez what the fuck was the guy's name the one who went to We kidnapped monster zoomer and killed him That was Cortez. Yeah, that was Cortez. They're not the same scenario, but I can see the connection I know he was in the road to eldorado. He was in the road to eldorado. That's right. Yeah way to bring it around fringy That was really clever. Yeah. I know that was uh, that was like uh, that was triple big brain sort of thing going on there I know very little about south american or like latin american history. It's just something that i'm completely unfamiliar with Which I guess it's just because you live in australia. It's not something you you learn much about south american latin american history and america rags or Oh, not really all right I figured that that was something that because you learned about native american stuff. They didn't you because over here we Yeah, we learned about it. I'm uh somewhat Yeah So, yeah speaking of the uh the next one if i'm of these classics, please if i've west side story would be great Also just start the stream as gary and shad. I expect the very worst takes Damn Well, you know, we're still here All of the greatest takes of all time. You still get to witness Yeah, and as for someone like west side story, so i'm just not sure which of these movies would quite work Well, if they're really good, we're probably I don't know. It's tough sometimes when a movie is really good Like what do you want to say? Well plan on doing it for uh the suicide squad and it could just be scrapped because If uh, we might just have a lot of fun with it. Yeah Yeah, never no um Oh We haven't really talked about the birds of price stuff in terms of like the takeaway from uh from that from that watch Yeah, so as as you guys in chat know we've been ranking the dc films as we go Yes, I you you it's a it shatters the earth with every single update So don't be surprised at this next one, but as you know We came out with jostus league was actually probably the most enjoyable of the dc movies Right, so i'm reminding them of this to try and help them out, you know, like They they're already shocked. They're just like what? um Yeah, like it engaged us probably the most and we had the hardest time finding all of the floors compared to something like, um Like a man of steel where it was just incredible Man of fuck ups um And yeah, so they they got ordered uh one woman 84 is still the worst Yes, um I think Before we watch birds of prey the the the current best was it jostus league? The current best was jostus league. Yeah um as of watching birds of prey Uh This place is now tied Yes, I birds of prey and jostus league so That is a sound bite right there efap thinks that birds of prey and jostus league are the best that the dceu has come out with Yeah So my prediction Yeah, best in this case still meaning that the highest score is like a fucking three They are all Complete ass like all of them are fucking Oh, yeah, so to clarify guys joker is like not even part of this category joker is its own thing And if joker is like oh, yeah joker is a good film Yeah, like if yeah, well if joker were involved somehow the scale will be fucked because it would just be like You just see a load of dots Yeah everybody else um So yeah, the prediction thus far is is correct in my case until shazam. Maybe shazam will be the best one But um, yeah, yeah, mine's been all wrong I think at first I thought it would be man of steel and then I thought wonder woman like those those were the two I thought would be the best Oh, uh, if if my prediction was that birds of prey was like mediocre, then I was wrong birds of prey Shit I clearly Thought it would be mediocre Well, I think that's what happened when I was what when I was rewatching it and once we got to the prison sequence. I'm like, oh, yeah Fucking hell. I can't this movie I barely remembered that movie barely remembered anything about what happened in it I just remember it not having as many problems as the other ones Also, um, I saw someone in our comment section saying they couldn't look Wait to rest to get the birds of prey and rip it to shreds. It's the worst of the dcu and someone said Why do you think it's the worst of the dcu? And they said specifically because of what it did to all of those comic book characters and I was just like You know who we are, right? Yeah, it's not Well, because I mean, I guess to throw everybody a bone. It was a pretty painful. Um It was a pretty painful experience like it was I would much rather watch aquaman than watch birds of prey Oh, yeah, aquaman is very fun to watch. We had a lot of fun with aquaman Josh's lead was fun Um, fucking Wonder Woman 84 was fun. Um, I would not watch birds of prey again. It was really Yeah, like birds of prey was not a fun experience But if we're to categorize all the floors like man of steel and the suit the snider cut It's just way more issues Way more well not way more more more catastrophic issues So, yeah, that's the hot take enjoy that you'll get another dose of it when it finally comes out in 2023. Yeah. Yay It is uh, it is the bully mentality and narcissism of the people mostly women who write these Mary Mary Sue characters I mean slow down like it's just bad writing first and foremost bully mentality and narcissism of the people like yeah I just like I'm not even sure I connect exactly the dots there, but like yeah, they're just really bad at what they're trying to do Because any I have to look at Some stats before I start making opinions on that about how many men or women have narcissistic traits I because any individual complaint we have we could probably find a way of trying to write it So that same event took place, but it made sense like For example him getting hit in the nuts. It's like I hate that that happened, but it's mainly the context There's probably a way to do it that Like wouldn't piss me off Especially if it was like a an illusion of his, you know Man, I would have liked to have seen some Loki illusions. You know, I've been neat That would have been cool. Got us to mischief an illusion That sounds like a clever cool fun thing that you could work with. Yeah, it sounds like a thing Loki would do It does But he's not Loki. He's folky. He's broke. He he's just broke. Yeah Because he's fucking broke as a character Let me in at a kiesel Here we go Uh, something I find odd about atlas that the fire nation has been winning the war for a hundred years But they are beaten by the tactical superiority of children I How about that? interesting Forget which which castle they assault as a team, but I remember just being like man It's really hard to take seriously is oh, is that the earth one you're talking about. I think so. Yeah That shit was a joke. Yeah, like they were all just Worthless to all the people defending no wonder the fire nation is fucking kicking your ass. Y'all suck. Y'all are shit um Also, there's no way bossing say we'd be able to brainwash the hundreds of refugees they got I think that's something that I brought up with the literature devil Yeah, it's almost like that entire part. It's fucking stupid as shit. All right, stop. They're gonna they're gonna make threads again Oh, okay. It's great guys. It makes total sense. It's fine totally I recently wrote a 2000 weird essay on why Loki is terrible and put it on rotten tomatoes Tomatoes man. I just betrayed my uh, oh man my britishness. Um rotten potatoes rotten potatoes Rotten tomatoes, I'd like to thank you masses for inspiring me No problemo. Rotten tomato sounds like a like a website devoted to hating italians Um, stop watching moke woke marvel read slash watch my hero academia and black clover and one piece uh Yeah, I mean if you want to Go for it. You go right ahead. I'm not stopping you Um rags how much money would it take for you to live in chicago for the rest of your life? No amount of money You go for free nice No, there is there is no amount of money that would um Not zero. There is no amount of money Uh, I think we're well, you'd probably do it for like All of the money in the world rags is then you could do like if I live in chicago the rest of my life could be like a week Just pilots of security with all your buddy Uh, I think we're in the transition period between the next big thing For example, there was a period where cod was at its lowest point, but many stayed until fortnight hit the scene We're talking about the equivalent for movies I guess so or we're talking about games still I feel like uh cod was dethroned by league of legends and then that was dethroned by fortnight I say league of legends. It was basically the moba genre like started to become super popular Oh, then again. No, that was dethroned by balleroy al Like if we're talking genres Gaming is interesting too I miss raw loved his cameo and extraction though And raw was chungus to throw people off rooftops good and known Hola raggle daggle Heading down from case c to beaver lake for the week any activities you'd recommend I'm not familiar with beaver lake. I don't know kayaking canoeing. That sounds fun So they've already got a hiking plan well root plan, so Yeah Well, there's plenty to get up to go paintball and they probably have that there, right? Maybe you guys have gone paintball and it's fun. I have I got a story. I did laser attack before but not Hey This is this might be funny or sad Birthdays one of my now that I'm emotionally primed It was one of my birthdays. I can't remember which one it was but we were playing paintball and we You know, there was there was us like friends of mine and and then there was the other team that were up against Um, and it was it was mainly like women. Um, and of course being teenage boys were all like, oh, yeah This is gonna be easy. You know, we played water war feds who like We're gonna Kick their ass and so it turns out they they either played professionally or semi professionally. They played regularly They were a lot better than us um one of these people Decided that it would be a really funny thing to come Within the range that they told you not to shoot at people and then shoot me in the back That was very painful. I cried because it was that painful Um, there was no reason why they should have done that and in fact as I recount the story I'm getting a little bit bitter about the fact that they would do that um Yeah, so that was uh, so that wasn't funny at all actually now that I think about it. Someone's gonna draw those by the way Yeah, probably it takes for me getting shot in the ass within like close range by paintball And then exclamation. No No Yeah That was really bad of them. They should have done that and they knew that they were too close I have played paintball since though. So it didn't didn't scare me away from the whole thing I just remember um I went paint bowling with uh friend of mine and his brother who was Definitely the age of like this just just let's just say puberty was happening and uh the age of distance um, and and there was There was a enemy team and our team just getting changed the same room The enemy team had a bunch of guys and one girl on it and in fairness She was super hot And they were getting they were getting changed and as as you know, he's supposed to just be like, all right You know, you just do your own thing and the fucking my friend's brother was just staring at her constantly just watching her change And my friend was like Skipping all mainstream entertainment is the best decision I've ever made someone wake me up when entertainment is good again We'll let you know Uh, what if luke kang is one of the kangs? Oh A bit of a crossover happening, huh? Maybe why not at this point, right? Fuck it. Yeah. Well, well, this water brother's owns water combats. So that's don't make a deal Well, uh, yeah, who knows how long it will say I you know what though? I'm pretty sure like the government the united states government would stop another acquisition because otherwise disney owns like 70% of the world They probably shouldn't have even been allowed to do the fox one, uh, but Good lawyers Yeah, I'm afraid there's a hot dog and I think that's for as whenever someone gives a hot dog. He does like an echoed hot dog noise I just Feel it's not delivered, but I was just in spirit, you know Um Is any of the cast seem bodyguard if so thoughts I genuinely think it's one of the best pieces of fiction from the 2010s and would strongly recommend it Okay, I'm not No, I have not seen it. No Anyone know what it is because like I don't think I've seen it, but um I know what it is. Uh, it's a bbc show richard madden is in it. Oh I haven't seen it. I saw a clip that looks really cool I think the whole idea is he's a bodyguard for like a conservative mp And it's like and he's come back from like some kind of war or something So it's like him balancing his responsibilities to a person whom he considers to be morally abhorrent So that seems to be like the uh That seems to be the the gist of that show. Yeah, that's interesting from what I've heard. Anyway Oh, well people were saying it's not good. So Oh, okay Your chat you can fight over it. All right. Um Hey fringy metal and j need help in platforming their full guy stream. It was entertaining, but not for their skill What's that one Again, it's fun. They said it was entertaining bell. That's a compliment No Fringy your your your cosmoronic upload from that stream confused the fuck out of me because it had the same title than I had I Exact same rivers revisiting fallout guys with j. I had the exact same one I was like, wait, that's not why why is it showing me on my page on my youtube? Oh, that's fringy Revisiting fallout guys Not fallout guys I remember that I vaguely remember them. I thought it was a person fallout boy The fallout boy wouldn't be fallout boys like like because you have you have headshot Um controversial opinion. I don't know if it is or isn't I think the pet shop boys have the best rendition if you're always on my mind Chat is that controversial? I don't know I don't know. I think it probably will be controversial Because he was said it. By the way, he fucking did it again on friday night. Ty's gary said, um press f my wife Oh, no, what happened because she done some work that was really good for the channel and stuff And he was just like, please press f and chat for my wife. We're all just like, no, let's stop Stop it I uh, I want to I want to In terms of like respect you should do the respect that oh wait. No, that's Have you guys heard of them? Have you have you guys seen a video? It's like this crypto currency like guru who um, he's I think he's russian or something And he talks about respecting the pump because he has such a thick russian accent He calls like pump E. A. M. P. He's like respect the pump always guys would respect the pump I think the best part is right after Right after he says that he says I respect the pump and all asses I agree with this man But um, his logic is whatever whatever crypto currency pub She has to pay respect to it. It's like, what does that mean? What do you mean respect it? Like it is like saying you got to invite the pump to your life your life Like he talked and he's like, I know this sounds like wow, wow or something Dude, this is the funniest thing ever I do watch coffee zilla. That's how I found out about it. Uh, wait the the The crypto guru guy or what do you mean? Oh, no coffee zilla is like he's youtuber who like covers a lot of the like crypto Yeah, he popped up on my recommended. Yeah, because I've saved the kids, right? That's probably why I popped I was about to ask you if you've heard about that Oh, yeah, no, I've been watching him before that scummy shit. Yeah Yeah, the save the kids thing is really gross by the sounds of it. Yeah It's um, you got like a season desist from uh, one of the phase guys should be more than Or X phase guys now. I think I need I need to read this. This is in the chat Go ahead. I don't know why the guy talking other than mauler and rags He sounds like sargon of a cod I sound like sargon. Are you know, I don't What would you say that? Why Why the guy talking other than mauler and rags, he sounds like Yeah, who sounds like sargon me? I like how like he just knows two of our names. He knows that it's not us So like he's one of the other two that isn't mauler and rags Could you say the the plague doctor or the crying kratos, you know People have said that Okay, apparently I do sound like sargon even though I don't You don't at all. I mean, yeah, yeah, I don't sound anything like sargon Some people have said as sounds like him, but I don't need to see that That's much more fair. Um, yeah Yeah, it's the one shed if you really question this who sounds more like sargon bring your metal Clearly metal because like that german sort of twinge is definitely in sargon. You can just hear it what I cringe Wait He's got that german cringe Oh, yeah, you should cultivate that It's a german cringe. You don't want to cultivate the german cringe. That's a lot. What are you gonna do always feels bad No, cringe me goes bad. Are you gonna do you gonna cringe me? I'm gonna cringe you Friggin say I just want a discussion. I just want a discussion. That doesn't sound like Is that a sargon beam That was the sargon meme If it was one we've got back to back out as sounds like sargon as sounds nothing like sargon I don't know if um because we have like four videos with a sargon on our crew that are just not going to be out for like a year Yeah, some of them are even completed. Um, but they're being saved get excited folks We're generating new content. We're also generating future content. So one year you're probably gonna get overflowed with e-fappings At some point it's gonna be cool I hear more sargon and friggin than a medal. You should because Why why would you hear more of that in metal? He's Sargon doesn't have a german accent the gentleman It's gross and I can at least understand why someone might think that the australian accent sounds similar to certain british accents, but I remember I had a conversation with someone about this where they said that Australian sounds more like american than british. I vehemently disagree. I think that australian accents sound a lot more like the british variations of english than american What do you guys think? I mean I just I've never even taken it seriously. It's australia. It's there's an accent to me Feels like a branch that comes from the same origin as britain. While america's like a they went crazy They did a whole bunch of other shit Well, I think you can probably try stuff with the american accent back to like irish and scottish stuff. I feel harder Like I just seems like there's more of a connection there My view of it's probably affected culturally that like american It's like they you know, they're origin from from britain, right? And it's like it just doesn't feel that way with the the accents. It's like their own thing They went so crazy with it. Well, I guess the difficult part is well I guess the problem is we don't have it'd be really cool if we had like recorded speeches of george washington to hear what he Sounded like he sounded british Yeah, that's what I mean. He he probably would have sounded british And I guess that would have been interesting to have that but we only have as far back as what like uh Do we even know what lincoln sounds like or was it after that that we started american? No, I I mean like When he sounded freedom He sounded freedom. Yeah He did sound like maybe he did sound exactly like we might have sounded he is a tall man, isn't he? He's like six foot four Right, and then he wears that fucking big hat to be like just to rub it in just to rub it in. Yeah Um I I guess he probably uh, lincoln had a deep voice will But daniel day lewis and he in lincoln he has kind of like a higher pitched voice Wow, so now films trump the reality. Okay. Well, I guess well, I mean Daniel day lewis. So, you know makes you wonder like, hmm I wonder who I wonder who sounded more like lincoln lincoln or daniel day lewis He is a method actor after all Yeah, um, we need to watch that movie. I've always seen clips of it, but I I really wouldn't watch that What mad max? Yeah I haven't seen mad max in years But that's like your that's your country's national anthem I always feel like people would go to crocodile dundee, which is funny because I don't really Yeah, I'm not I don't think I've watched crocodile dundee, but people always go to that I do remember watching the crocodile hunter movie I can't remember what it was called Fuck I need to know Yeah, it was called the crocodile hunter movie then we're gonna feel very embarrassed Maybe maybe it was let me let me see Steve oh and oh man. I remember when I found out that he died. I remember that Like at school somebody just said yeah, he died and it's like no, no, he didn't what are you talking about? He's invincible Well kind of feel that way right when there's some guy who's been like a fixture of um of uh Wait was which one what no not television movies the crocodile hunter collision course. Ah, there it is. Yeah, there it is Made 33 million dollars against 12 million dollar budget. That's probably one of the most successful australian movies Let's go out the last 20 years Yeah, I barely remember anything about it, but um Yeah, there's there's look at look at this poster. Isn't this like a Isn't this a cool poster for a movie Take a look at that Look, it's it's likey. Damn hmm crikey Yeah crikey, of course Is it weird that I like to think rags is an opinionated humanoid dog with lots of guns almost like bandit incorporated also high rags hi I am very Opinionated in the sense of I have strong opinions all of which are correct and I'm humanoid in the sense of there are human aspects of me Like I speak english mostly. That's a that's mostly a human trait So I use the lu Often in fact y'all know That's a british trait the wc Um, I can't wait to see how they explain eternals. I don't think they're gonna I it's not fair here now We never interfered until now and then we did Yeah, now. I was really just keng said we could interfere now Well, I think this was meant to come out before loki. So I'm actually super curious what the uh What what they're gonna try and say their reason was for showing up The only other loki content I'm looking forward to is the pitch meeting You guys uh watch those videos No, uh no I recommend them. They're pretty funny. Um, it's obviously just You picture you pitch the show to like the board person Usually like a skip sort of thing Wait, I might I might have stumbled across one of those It's kind of familiar What is it with companies like the escapist and screen rent hanging out hanging on by one dude also high rags Hi, the escapist is basically just yatsi the yatsi channel It used to be yatsi in a tumor and now the escapist is I think it's just What's the yatsi and who is on it? Does jack do stuff? Um Packer. Well, I'm not sure I because I think he does I know that well because movibob was on there, but so was uh jim sterling before he wasn't Jim sterling was like with the structure. Then he was with escapist and then he was independent and I think that was like track And then it was just So, uh, yeah for a while to the guy who does those Pitch meetings. He's the one he's on screen rent. So I guess he carries that channel. Oh, okay Men must feel so weird to be like tied contractually to a channel that's just dead weight Maybe he has an investment in growing it or he was a founder of it Maybe I feel like that's how yatsi must feel at this point Well, it might just be that it's been a really stable source of income for him Yeah, maybe he likes the people there and they get along really nicely and They support him whenever they need it and he's invested in the growth of escapist Not every not every company is machinima Like It's totally Um, it's it's so it's so lame how much content from machinima was like lost because I know that Because like john managed to get all the arby and the chief stuff back Um, but then there was like the battlefield friend series a good chunk of that is gone. It's like lost It's really you thought there would have been some diehard fan that downloaded them all, you know Oh, well, that's the thing. I think that there is like I'm pretty sure I stumbled across a link that had all the episodes But like it's not on youtube. They're not all on youtube Um, I guess that's what I mean right like I'll find them Yeah, it's just not a very convenient archive. Um And and then there's other stuff as well like There are other shows. I think san what was it? Sanity not included and stuff like that that we Needed matchmaking remember that oh matchmaking. We're going real far back now. It's like 2008 A lot of that content is just gone. Um, and for every john there are like 10 or 15 who didn't manage to get their stuff back That sucks like that. That's not really legitimately sucks Fuck the cinema Years of your work just poof up in smoke. Yep Um And like john didn't get it back easily like there had to be kind of like a concerted campaign to try and get it back Yeah, because you know that they just wanted to go. It's like, you know, whatever it's done by But I think that was yeah, and it's like no you can't do that There's like a whole catalog of people's work here. This is like that you might think it's silly little videos But for a lot of people, this is like they didn't make them work Yeah, well, you didn't make them. That's right We're the same like something same. They should happen to smosh, right? Because they sold their their whole brand to some weird company. Oh, yeah, I think they did didn't they? They sold to like a big old company I didn't even know that Up until a couple of weeks ago because I was someone upon a video about it. We're like, yeah, they So But I think they became popular and bigger and then they had like a deal with that company So they just gave it to them for nothing basically So they managed. Yeah. Oh, yeah to find media. That's right. Yeah, that's the one that's one. Yeah And at some point it's like, oh, yeah, we actually weren't really managing all your money And there was like a fuck ton of content creators. It's like one of those networks back in the day, but I think And Yeah, and they just auctioned them away all the channels to the highest bidder Man and smosh was in there and Rhett and link bought the fucking smosh brand and kept them alive Yeah, I see that Rhett and link Who are they? What they run like a morning show morning. Yeah Good mythical morning. Yeah, it's like oh, I see Yeah, I think they bought it for like 10 million dollars or something like something they're saying Is that insane for smosh? You feel like they might be worth a little more than that I don't know. They were number one on youtube at one point They were oh, yeah, but so they basically got saved by them. Uh, and then they could Make videos again And then of course you want to run the people who weren't saved Oh, yeah Um, yeah, there are a lot of camp people with defy media. I remember that um What was what are they called the people who do the uh, the honest trailers screen junkies? They were defy media as well. Oh really? Damn. Uh, somebody was saying that game theory. Yeah Rooster team got sold. Yeah, rooster team is owned by uh full screen, which I think is owned by disney Wait, hold on Full let's see rooster teeth Everybody's getting sold. There's no independent companies are a lot harder to find Yeah, they are a subsidiary of auto media, which itself is a subsidiary of water media sales distribution Which itself is a subsidiary of something else. I'm guessing. Yeah, water media llc, which itself is a subsidiary And all these facts are disney eventually every time Well, I think this where where are we going? Where's uh, what is so water media? Oh owned by at&t Right, so at&t. They're the ones at the top. There you go. So interesting when you go down these rabbit holes It's like 10 billion subsidiaries. Yeah So, uh, so wait if kang made sure all the atrocities happened because he needed them to happen Doesn't that make him a genocidal maniac? A black man is universal hitler. Wow racist marvel It would not let they wouldn't let the most powerful person in the universe and be anything other than a black man It's also the most horrible person in the universe. Yeah, they don't see it that way though They sort of do but not really they play lip service to the idea that he's evil, but He's a quirky fun like oh Oh It was all kang adolf is a good boy. Yeah, I mean, you know, he's forced to do it Um, I think kang represents the past writers of the mcu who are single-minded in their approach to the mcu and female Loki is the kill of the past so they can write a better future I hope not that's possible. Um, unfortunately. Oh, yeah, it's so terrible. It's possible if they wrote that I'm assuming she's gonna be like front and center in season two of loki I don't know if she's gonna end up in like a witch movie. She's gonna end up in I just feel like I'm gonna see all these people again when I don't want to Tomorrow probably Maybe they'll all be in tomorrow war No They'll be killed. It's fine Yay Find some good news The best assassins in black widow are the writers true um I wish mola would read regular chat more chats been on fire today I I do try I do try just trying to make sure everything else is going as well And you know, some other people can pick up bits and bombs. I think they did today Really? Bob alone Good chat chat you have been on fire Get some water I thought damage you were faster um Rewashed 100 today and loved how often wolf Uh, oh did read the chat don but not forgotten. Absolutely Hmm Why create a tva if the point is to stop other kangs Why not create a kang death squad instead that hunts down other kangs when they're born Jesus Because that's less dumb than what they did and the writers of this are actual idiots It's what we this is like to prevent kag from doing acts I will kill everything at every ward except this one type like you're like, oh okay Seems like someone might think that's excessive, but you know, it's fine Uh great show, but I have to give a shout out to the amazing chat and it's kangism So making me pee my pants laughing. She is oh, yeah, I think they were doing the um The kang equivalent of the jab stuff from yeah, they were some of them are pretty good Movie bob is fat this damn sense as he spelled it ph at But where is sneaky boy You can't say f at fuck No, you can say that you can't oh wait. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, I almost had it back What's not allowed to be said? Fat Oh, yeah Uh, the pruning doesn't hurt. That's just steam escaping. Oh, no That's a lot of steam in there Uh Chat having a medea moment and cast has no idea. Oh, I saw it Just you know If you're trying to get get the low key stuff done so we can get a video in the last thing We we're gonna have to do is a whole segment laughing at how all the great jokes All the kangs things you got. Yeah Will never have been done So somebody say kang bang, but wouldn't it be the king? The big kangs feels like the more apt one I feel like we could have both Yeah, yeah, I guess you could have both. Yeah kang bang Oh, yeah Um I think I figured out why kevin smith ruined he-man. He said he's not a fan but loves marvel So maybe you wanted to do red sonia, but couldn't get to do it. So he remade he-man to make his woke wet dream They're doing your red sonia Thing aren't they that's like the next thing up. I guess kevin smith doesn't get to do that though Well, yeah, I guess he's not allowed To do that one someone else will get that one Is that marvel or is that that's no, that's uh, that's that's um, not marvel. That's something else, isn't it? I don't know Something else Um, have you ever heard of the tale of doth kang the wise? I don't think you would call it wise, but old Can we get some cameras from wolf and tonald on 150? I don't know that you'll be you would see either of them, but if you did I don't need to get in camp If I don't do no no cameras lawyer Marcus Vixru for e-fap 150 Uh, I do not know who that is. He is one of the people we debated tasm 2 is I think Oh Yeah, that movie shit Wow rags Next you'll say tasm 1 was shit too It was worse probably Are you sure about that conclude that? I think it might be Because electro causes a lot of problems, but I remember now it's funny either way Um But yeah, I don't mean I mean there's no guarantee of who's gonna be ending up on 150 I haven't actually uh sorted out all the infights yet Oh man, I hope I get one You want did Owen Wilson at least wow in the end? No, no he did not Actually before all the All the episodes were released. He said he's not gonna say it on the in the show Which sucks very disappointing. Yeah Um, oh five more for this amazing stream an amazing chat. My bladder is empty. Thank you good stairs and mams I haven't had a good laugh like that for a while Oh Glad you enjoyed yourself We were miserable that you didn't pee yourself 40 plus yeah, you gotta take your breaks top tier kang mews and hosts missed it. I saw them Don't worry. We saw many of them. Do not you worry and chat will love in it And that's what's important You do things because you you're having fun with it not for validation, right? The love of the craft Uh, I'm watching logie tonight for the first time with the family. This e-fap will probably still be live wish me luck Dumbos also play ddlc Good luck with that He's gonna be fun for you You can sneak in all your little jabs about how it ruins fucking everything. That's bad Hey rags, do you think shad has balls above wang considering he is from australia land? He might he might because he has australian. So it's very possible It is very possible That's also very possible. There's something in the water down there. I don't know what's uh, it's It's not beyond the rumble possibility. I feel Yeah, you're not getting any pushback for it. So it must be true This is how it works in your mind. No pushback means you're correct Yeah, yeah On the internet sometimes people can be wrong and they can just you know, people just sit there and not say anything Some people can accept the hard truth silently like you just did with the balls above Alternatively just not push back and just be like, you know, I mean it could be that you're like a ball above wanger would say Why don't you go why don't you crawl back into your pouch of shame? Yeah Yeah See no pushback This also means that according to this the richards family tree and all his descendants have the ultimate plot armor and will survive anything Yeah, this is the thing apparently there's lots drawn about What people are from things in that show to do the comics and obviously I'm just lost on that stuff Okay Remember they can still ruin anything they want and change anything they want Um in episode three I was waiting for Loki to say you had no plan and no nothing You're useless and then pull out some paper weights to show it was all a simulation He created with the mind stone and capture here with the power stone Well I think I gave up on the idea that it was going to be all all a meme or dream or whatever Probably by episode three, especially with the lament is stuff she was just fucking Stolen one of the fucking infinity stones and use it. Yeah, that'd be a great idea I meant this nuts Especially because the space don't can teleport you indefinitely like you don't need to charge it up. Yep How about that? Hey, they use this here. Yeah, but I'll take them outside then they work fine Yeah, they never really do explain why loki's powers just don't work within the tva hq They just oh it just doesn't pull off your fancy stones. They just don't work out. Okay, then Their powers work in keng's castle, but it doesn't work in the tv like You just didn't like it's a weird thing to implement right So it's just like a throwaway. Oh that your powers just don't work here like oh, okay You're lazy fucking dm. But all right because the writers are genius. They were like, ah, but you'd be able to escape But they did so let's just say they don't work like oh, yeah, that's it But like does that make any sense really it's like not really I'll think about it Ruining it by thinking about it It's just a show free world doesn't matter there. It's free read free pre-written anyways Uh, just got here into my surprise. I find the greatest cast in efab history high to all of titans of cinematic critique Quite the combo. Hope you had fun Uh, fuck mary kill. All right. So this is Aladdin with cruella's personality Gaston with jafar's personality and chase face All right, so kill chase. What are the other two? Gaston with Uh, jafar was sorry jafar. Yeah, Aladdin with cruella Well Oh shame already killed chase um And the other one is gaston with jafar's personality. Yeah I would marry Aladdin with gaston's personality and I would marry Jafar's personality person because he seems like he's a he's a smart go-getter man. You just marry two of them Yeah, you married two people. Did I oh fuck the non-jafar then fuck Aladdin. He's a hottie Okay, and I bet he's a he's a super top in bed with Gaston's personality unless that means that he's straight in which case we're gonna have to work something out We can mix them up. Is Aladdin with cruella's personality and gaston with jafar's personality Oh, well I guess I'll marry gaston And I'll bite the bullet and Fuck Aladdin with cruella's personality Okay I don't really have any preferences for any of them. I don't really know how I'd figure this out What a cop out. I'm way too tired. I already forgot what the thing was the truth can be a cop out. I don't disagree Is there's room there's more room in Fringy's pouch for you I don't know if there is Fringy Not answering the I don't have a pouch kill fuck marry questions. Um, well, can you listen again? Aladdin with cruella's personality gaston with jafar's personality and chase face um I guess I'd want to Yeah, I'll probably do the same as rags in terms of yeah, fuck Aladdin marry jafar with gaston's personality What's gaston with jafar's personality? Oh, jafar wait gaston wait, right? Yeah I mean, I haven't changed it the whole time I've said it It's just such an odd thing to memorize I guess I have not trained for this And so is everyone agreed to the just outright killing chase so bad for him. Oh, yeah He would do the same to us. Hmm. I can't fuck him. He's got a girlfriend. I wouldn't expect him to like as a I can't marry him or fuck him because as we've heard many times he has a girlfriend That's a good point Jafar is single and ready to mingle Yeah, I guess it all comes easy when you think about it because it's a cruella. You gotta get rid of cruella, right? It's like the getting rid of meter and it's like kill is a permanent get rid of the fuck is like you get rid of And then I don't know I'll bring some porn with me and try to get it over as fast as I can The real question out of all these is who do you want to be married to that's that's like the hard one Yeah, I think jafar's personality in somebody would he'd be he'd be Very success oriented and he would mostly probably keep to himself and his Yeah, he's probably yeah, he's interesting. He's probably gonna keep mostly doing self and his plans for domination He'll probably end up royalty unless some street rat gets in the way But she won't because he has cruella's personality and I fucked him wait. What so I don't know But just all the puns as well rags remember all the puns he says to laden when he's like fucking with him at the end of the movie Do you remember those? Yeah, yeah, I do remember some of the when he says he's a snake and everything a bunch of knives landed in front of him Things are unraveling really well. He unravels the the uh, the the rug What was it? He puts him in a We're marrying him for his puns alone at that point. So I put some above cruella Oh, yeah, we forget that exists Well, we get it exists, but it made a billion dollars like successful as hell Yeah, have you just ever made billions and I rarely think about him No, I know it's it's just funny to think about this. Have you guys uh, have you heard like the the renditions of the old tracks? I think people want us to do that What we've done with the others for for that someday So I'm probably just gonna avoid it until we eventually do maybe, you know Well, I've heard it rags his eternal reward. Yo, yeah And you know moose Smith charismatic guy Cool, I like him, but man like try to follow up robin williams in that role Especially after robin williams already followed up his own role in Aladdin III king of things. That's right. Yeah Was he in Aladdin III as well or was it in two? I think two they replaced him and he came back. He was in one and three. Oh, and then he came back in three. You're right Yeah, yeah, two was a weird one three was I liked three for a straight to D It's sorry for a straight to vhs movie. It was like I really liked it a bunch Let me tell you there were some good songs in there It was great. He got a straight to vhs. That was good songs lion king, too It has like my favorite song that isn't any of the lion king movies really which one Uh, I think it's called he lives in you He lives in you Hey, uh He lives in me something Hey, oh Into the sea or something It's okay. Yeah, fuck that movie. Um circle of life was You hate that movie, do you? Yeah, so oh, do you know about Um, do you know about the uh, so line king, too? Simba's pride was My my sisters I have two younger sisters and they would watch that movie all the time constantly over and over and Ah, they watched it so much that my father hid the vhs underneath the closet in the staircase Where they would never ever find it and he said I think this was I I think I He basically just said I had to hide that damn movie. I can't take it anymore So really it's just a negative experience. I mean obviously it's not as good as the classic the brilliant lion king But um, it's all right. I like that song. I don't yeah, I don't remember like not like the movie itself I think it's fine. Um, it's fine. It's fine. Yeah, I think it's totally fine. Um They uh But but I just I shot so many times I got just burned out of it. No, I'm sick of it There was there was like it was a disney movie where characters like fucking died It got killed accidentally And like it was Yeah, they were kind of yeah, there was a lot of Disney deaths are famous like bambi's mom obviously and um timbers dad, yeah Simba's yeah, and uh, and um, uh, what was it? Oh my god, I can't believe I'm forgetting in in hunchback the villain I was I Simba's last Simba's gluttony Scars was pretty cool. It's a deconstruction of Simba's character Clayton's death in Tarzan is like surprisingly dark for a kids movie. Yeah. Yeah Um That was yet another example How to write protagonist where your protagonist is such a good person that they actively try to save the villain Who's trying to kill them? That's how good they are God like Uh, it makes me sad to think about just like all these great movies that they're gonna butcher. They'll come for Tarzan I'll come for Hercules already coming for it. Yeah, remember when weren't fucking horrific terrible murderous lunatics. That was no Yeah, we're talking about protagonists who were like going above and beyond in their attempts to save the bad guys Like to just yeah not even like you didn't even have to like even if you don't save them You're you're still fine. You're in the clear, but you just went even further. You're like nah Yeah, you're gonna save this this bastard who did all this stuff. I'm gonna go and save them That's the thing. I think that was that fucking careful I think there were a lot more careful back then like I think You can see how deliberate it was. I don't know what kids would absorb Yeah, it's just you you Okay, so it's like we need scar to die. It's like how are we gonna do that? It's like well, it'd be real awkward if Simba was like long lived the king bitch and then threw him down That wouldn't go over so well. It's like we can't just leave him to die, right? That's not so good either It's like he could but Simba's such a good guy that he's gonna give him another chance. You know, they have They definitely have this conversation. He has to be like many Disney victims. It has to be his own Yeah, I'm doing whether it's the the wicked witch in uh snow white Yeah, whether it's Frollo. I mean he he falls victim to his own evilness, essentially Jafar falls victim to his own Yeah lost for power get some self-trapped bitty living space even cruella. Yeah, fucking reckless ass Yeah Stain crazy desire to skin these puppies, you know, there was a comeuppance for that attitude Yeah And Gaston the reason why he died was because he fucking had to keep trying to kill a beast. He just had to keep trying He tried one time Killed by Eric. He he uh The ship he was he drove the ship's mast. That's totally fine. He she was about to kill Ariel. Yeah She's about to kill Ariel. Yeah What it's I don't think it was they're not gonna do that in the remake. There's no way There's no way they're gonna show a massive Yeah, I guess it's just oh man when you think about these the problem is I think when people think about it's like You think like Atlantis and treasure planet is safe. There's no way they'll get the emperor's new group They'll get to those ones eventually. They're doing all the like renaissance ones now, but they'll come for the ones that weren't as Like sort of as as popular. They'll they'll come for them all sooner or later Atlantis another movie where the villain He dies because he is being cruel to his own people because of his greed He gets what a what a crazy cool ending scene where I forget his name. Um, what's his name? I'd like that was 2001 but the bad guy he's trying to Bring up the um his commander Garner jame. No james garter played commander The fuck just why don't cut off don't do dot dot dot just give me the goddamn word Milo was the name of the protagonist. That was uh, that was uh, that was uh, Michael jork. Was it rork? Something like that Yeah, but he's trying to get the balloon to lift up with the the artifact And so he throws that chick off the balloon to make it lighter and she's like, fuck you pulls out of flair Yeah, and it blows him up and I'm like, oh man. That's fucking Oh, what a boss That's what happens when you kill your own men. That's what happens when you try and kill your own men. They're like What a dick, fuck you treasure planet was a remake of treasure island. Yeah, I know that but what I'm saying Is it gonna? Oh, did you figure that out all on your own? Yeah, little mermaid is a remake of little mermaid, but like, you know what I mean It's not like Come on They'll come for it. No, they're gonna come for it. They'll pillage it. They'll uh, they'll start remaking like And just you wait until they start remaking Pixar movies or Incredibles live action Yeah, this will be the super dark times. It seems like Pixar might be safe But they'll definitely come for like some of the newer stuff like I imagine frozen live action remake is only a matter of time Tangled that's only a matter of time Um And then well it feels like Incredibles is inevitable because of the superhero obsession we've got right. I think I think it is inevitable Yeah, I but god I get worried about like when they start remake a live action remake of monsters inc Don't you dare suggest such things put john goodman in a big fair suit So that's what they mean live action remake except all the characters are animated. It's like a live king live action It's an animated film technically And so a little mermaid. How was that even going to be live action like mermaids? Oh my god, that movie's gonna be like Fucking fill to the brim with visual effects Oh, yeah Well, it's been fun. I'm getting very tired. So I'm gonna leave you now Good. Bye. Matt. Yeah, that's you dude. Sleepy lands link to your twitch arunian in description He's there every day. He's trying his best. Um, I'm Shipping away on on them script and hymer. So hopefully I have a first drop sometime when I'm Stop Yeah, uh, yeah catch you later. What am I more Plum doodaloo I I saw somebody in chat say lilo and stitch like hypothetically that ain't hypothetical anymore That's happening. That's already happening It's been confirmed I'll get them all sooner or later. Don't you worry prepare your sadness Um Hail long man and panel. I've seen a youtube vid where someone from the lowkey writers room bragged Oh, how much fun it was to destroy the mcu rip mcu See, I have to Are you serious? I have to believe that it was like said in a joking way and in relation to something But I can still believe that they knew the kind of damage they would make they well, they'd committed to And it would be fun Because it's a sandbox. It's not a serious story So while I was while I was looking at atlantis the lost empire the little Info thingies on the right of google they kind of show the about Google users liked an imdb score and that sort of thing brawn tomatoes The page will not load with an intern. It has an internal server error But I can see the little info thing and it shows that atlantis the lost empire has a 49% from critics on rotten tomatoes. Yeah Which is probably a lot better than that Absolutely, I think it's probably I I loved it. I thought it was really cool really adventurous and The lot was like great peril and good stuff when you last watch it Um Fucking ages ago I mean molla if I would say that on this thing I legit think it's just like there are a lot of films that Got lowest scores because relative to a lot of other stuff They may not have been like relative to lion king or something atlantis may not be like the most cool thing ever But just by like storytelling standards. There's a good chance. It's probably like a decent movie at the very least Don't surprise me Yeah, I think like I feel that way about the black cauldron Um, wow because yeah, that one was like disney's first massive sort of failure It it almost killed the disney animation studios, but growing up. I love the black cauldron It had like a scary ass villain And some really cool like dark fantasy environments and I was I was all about it when I was a kid I love the black black cauldron the horned king princess island we flutter slam Um You see that what mel posted I did I saw the yeah You can tell he's young because of his you can tell he's young because he looks like pete wheat straw pete wheat straw Beautiful Just How much goo has he had What am goo does he has had he does? Um, if the normies will watch is another question relay into that writer's room thing also high rags Hello This is the thing I think um, oh wait, why is it off screen? Where'd you go you piece of shit? um Let me get a picture of the horned king Because he had like he had one of the like Craziest deaths too. Yeah. Yeah. No, I know about that. He got like sucked into the black cauldron And he got his robe. Oh, yeah ripped off and he it was like I remember oh, it's it's so great I'm like, man, this is awesome That'll be cool. Actually. I remember watching it and like just feeling like it wasn't like the other ones Like it was this this one fit like uh, just genuinely even as a kid. I was like, this is darker Which is kind of laying that you probably got criticized specifically for being darker that like that's it was Yeah, it was critically Yeah, it's not a it's not a point Grim and that it got it got roasted for it, but I guess you know, it came out in 1985 And I guess it was seen as a It was just I don't know It's not an actual point to just say like oh, it's dark and I'm pretty sure that there are other movies that have gotten I'm thinking what what are other disney movies that were considered like dark or or dark at hunchback I think probably got criticism back definitely did there was there was quite a bit of peril in there and the fro lo stuff could get pretty Yeah, but it's cool. It's cool You know Like it's interesting Let me see, um Uh, so did they do the land before time? No land before time was the uh God damn it. Um, what was the first one was kind of intense And then they light the fuck out of it later the guy who did anastasia did that one the uh, and uh, Oh speaking of a great American tale an american tale it was him. What's this don bluth? That's his name don bluth Dude anastasia. Talk about great songs anastasia had some killer songs really good songs. Yeah I haven't seen that in a long time. I mean me too. I'd love to see it again. Yeah, so no Um, what are you the god of i'm kucky the god of simps. Oh god of simps. Hi wags I Wait, wait, wait, wait a little bit of a commentary on that for hello. Don't worry. I'm not forgetting you. Hello to you But I'll say I think the god of simps wouldn't be kucky It would be like venessa and she'd be a twitch streamer and that would be the god of simps Yeah, it wouldn't be like when you say the god of people want. Yeah, they're evoking the the huge simp And it's like pro wouldn't be the god of simps Yeah, you just be the You just be the most pathetic of them all I guess if you're going down that route It would be the god of simps would just be the most popular twitch. It first off. It would be the goddess of simps Yes, that's right. It would be the goddess of simps Yeah um Yeah, I guess this is directed at ranks. Uh, fuck mary kill mohler mueshly and mohler Um, let's see We're mueshly and moot mohler. She's definitely Well, we're obviously going to have to get rid of mohler. So I can take I can take charge of this operation. I go Uh, i'm tony. He's just well, no, he doesn't drive so I can't cut his brake lines. That's fine. Um, I'll just shoot him. Um, let's see, uh I need mohler alive to document all of our All of our adventures through media. We gotta have mohler there The you know for history and I guess i'm i'm fucking mueshly She sounds hot. Yeah, I'm with a name like that. She must be hot Yeah, she's confident enough with a name like that um I bet patrick swazy from roadhouse could kick loki's ass I feel like most people could kick loki's ass At least in this show. Yeah, he's He's struggling. You know he's struggling He had a fire sword at one point because a kid gave him it That's neat I bet a number of mid Gets could kick loki's ass Say that one more time about the fire sword. Say that one more time The one thing he does have is the fire sword, but that was someone a kid gave him Uh, tauren Uh, so tauren is the the protagonist uh based on the predain chronicles by Someone whose name I what the fuck But in the books I think dernwyn was the name of the the fire sword And in the books what what the fuck see books that I read as a kid growing up um dernwyn was insanely dangerous and That was interesting as a kid to hear about a fire sword That wasn't just a a cool incredible weapon But it was so deadly that you would you could seriously injure yourself because it was so powerful that you had to You know resist the urge to use it and you couldn't just whip that out and have it solve all your problems And that was one of my first introductions to that kind of magical potent item That it was just that deadly and it was about You know discretion a lot of the times when you used it and Super different from the for the book to a degree, but or the movie to a degree Yeah, I remember liking those novels. I think as far as young adult fantasy novels go it's It's pretty nifty. I liked it. I actually having a stroke I think you heard something very different than what I said Maybe that would explain chat. I'm sorry This old man was reminiscing About his book here. What was what was the what? So someone's super chat that Loki could probably be beaten up by like anybody and I said, yeah Probably all he has is the fire sword that a kid gave him And then you said some other things I I agree I agree. I think you're great Rags got away. Yes. I did. I was I was I was out Having a Joe bite Um, it's a minor point, but I dislike how sylvie doesn't share any of Loki's mannerisms Not even his accent speech patterns walk anything Yeah, I mean she's a different person. She yeah, there's nothing about the similars No, I understand how they would be totally different. Yeah, but it would To have some kind of like to convince me that they're two different versions of the same person So they're different sure, but the idea that they're two different Versions of kind of that individual. I think we're at the point where I'm asking why did they write it so that she was a variant Loki Why why not just have it be a person that is like why does she need to be a Loki? I guess Into the show to to help hunt her down. I guess is that is that why? I think sorry, that's all there is because I mean it's like was mentioned. It's she's There is a character called sylvie. It's a different person to who they have I think it really I I think that it's not out of the realm of possibility that they're mindset was Literally just we need to have a better Loki. He's a woman I mean you can get real cynical at this point, right? Like it's getting a little embarrassing All I recommend having figgy shut the fuck up. Stop saying white people shouldn't be in these things. Yeah I don't like to go to that as a reason because so many people jump to it for no reason But I feel at this point It's like it's super And it's I can't not see it if kevin figgy tells you explicitly. That's how it is I don't know what we're supposed to do when we're analyzing the motivation Just it I can't not see it because you said it Stop saying it. Just shut up saying quiet pot loud Yeah, I don't give him my brow raising fucking references Um my brow raising references Is that a cyberdine model t800 could kick loki's ass? I I don't know why you like he's not loki can't do anything against intimidated He's just gonna die This loki Like that's the thing everyone in the future across the universe apparently uses sticks and clubs Yeah, for some reasons. I don't get it Fight scenes and so that loki wouldn't just get shot Maybe yeah Well, it's it's a big issue in the mc one general of just like people using melee weapons instead of ranged weapons for some reason That's that's that's a video that It there's a video there Guns guns are a problem for writing and you can't ignore it That's how it is I mean you could store in medieval times if you don't want to deal with it Yeah, um pretty much just gotta I mean black widow doesn't give a fuck About that they just don't care Which is to its detriment That's another solution where bullets just constantly mess Well, that's that is a video Or they run towards people instead of using them at range That's a whole video a montage of all the movies where people with guns run towards the person instead of using them at a distance Like they were made for Yeah, and it's always like You know they're dealing with someone with a melee and then they sort of the camera's flipping in and it shows the person That's coming towards me. It's like just because the camera showed them arrive at this moment does not mean they didn't exist before that Yeah, they do that a lot Mm-hmm cut away and they don't exist like you know even some of the best stuff will do this It's just crazy when that's every scene Like come on. I mean there's a certain amount that can be forgiven, but it's just too often too much um I don't know I felt like some effort on the part of the actress to mirror Loki would have gone far Grant and kid Loki's actor at least tried I mean, I didn't really add. I don't know what to say about like Well, I think the problem is that the show treats her like she isn't the same person and their interviewees are like no She's not Loki. She's Sylvie. It's like she's Loki. You said that she is This is where I mean I'm just getting like I don't even know what to say about her performance Like I was so underwhelmed by Sylvie, you know Why not just make it that she is like enchantress? She's a different person, but she's a variant of some kind of some person Who was a normal person, but they became like a sorcerer instead of just being normal No, my real dad rags. I'm going to my own school the school of hard Kang's I had a fun talk with oh wait I had a talk with a friend a few days ago about Loki and movies all Overall and at the end he stated that you should turn your brain off while watching movies and shows and that they aren't There are no bad movies What no You could find enough bad movies that they'd give up on that position Well, these are always the same people who will say it. They'll go. Oh god. That was bad. You'd be like, what do you mean? You go. Well, there's no such thing as a bad movie. I just mean that was I didn't like it. That's what I meant Oh, but you said bad you want to you'd also be like Isn't that your standard then they're bad if you don't like them? Like I take that over nothing Like there's no such thing as a bad movie. He's like, okay Then I mean within how can any movie be better than another movie if you can't even fail at it How do you even is it just a sliding scale of success? I guess or like how can a movie be worse than average? I mean it says How could you even take dock points from a film? Is not everything not a 10 then because if there's a nine then oh calm down No, no broke the entire system Oh, you can go down to You can only go down to a one because if it's a zero, it's not even a film. So like I mean I don't know. How do you I don't think people I don't think I think people who say that are not prepared to have these conversations Uh, just watch Jay's troom troom video. It was funny. Almost as funny as the one time he advocated for rhino farming Uh, good memories. Good times. Yeah good old 2018, right Something like that. Yeah. Whoa was gonna get that three, right? So yeah before Man It's what we're nearly at three years Yeah, it's crazy Uh, and also he stated that Loki was the best thing marvel had ever done and that kang is so cool And he's a super mcu fan. Oh great. Just great We're in we're in for a treat if uh If this is acceptable and awesome to marvel fans as they are now, you know And that's the thing that's what I see on twitter not to say that twitter is the representative of the world But so many people are saying like this is fucking mcu was at its peak. I was worried for it. But man, it's going great Uh, cosmonaut is a chalk licking retard. Oh my god How'd you get that? Wow, that's incredible for all though They wrote it in a different uh full bag got through nice. Oh shit Jesus uh rags, would you say kang is just some guy? kang kang comes across as just some guy He doesn't come across as the master of the universe in space time in cosmos He's just like He's just some dude That they picked off the street and said you look like you fit in This costume we have we need you to read these lines and be quirky I figured that's what your brain was on Holy shit, that's just funny to me uh, yeah, uh Fully enough, there's a youtuber called just some guy not to be confused with just any person off the street that ended up becoming The biggest villain in marvel history. It's kind of weird, but you know, that's the So casting goes these days Maybe the series two villain will be female kang kudos. Oh Maybe what if I super chat. Oh my god Wow This I think this might be the first time that I can't actually read it Really? Well, you guys are able to tell why I can no you can't read it. Well, no, none of us couldn't oh, yeah, you can't um Well, you know what I can censor it myself. What if I super chat the n-word you'll have to read it out loud, right? I mean, I just paid money. No, no, you have to say it properly. Oh, I have to say it wait If I no no not quite I did wait if I super at the n-word word Oh, you just said the oh, yes, of course. Yeah, if I see much at the n-word word. Yes, that's that's correct Got me um Uh, I wonder how many other live streams would deal with this. Well, this is a thing YouTube's probably gonna find out about this They're gonna be like, hey, are you guys doing this? They'll have to account for I guess different fonts, which sounds yeah You'd have thought they'd have a lockdown on that by now Yeah, I just youtube susan um I this person's like Thanos where I don't agree with her methods, but I can respect the hustle Like that's a wow what a lot of work and ingenuity to just to do that like wow you shouldn't have but you know You shouldn't have but still But I mean you gotta you gotta admire it in a weird way. You found a way Uh If Trattas adopted it means that rags is our step doggo. Oh my no rags should be really careful To not get stuck somewhere accidentally. Oh, geez Oh my god, I'm not adopted though. That brags. What do you do? Step rags The mc should just go after the batwoman writers if they want quality content I mean, yeah, I mean it would be a step up from Loki, you know Batwoman writers don't even try to fuck with space and time Only thing is don't do it Well, that's the whole show right like literally the premise is like we fuck with space and time It's like yep. Yep. Yeah, you do Um One thing I'm looking for one thing with Loki. I'm looking forward to is god of war. Hi shad Well, why what? I know that um Zeus is gonna be in love and thunder which is probably gonna cause problems um Yeah Wait Zeus. Yeah, Russell is gonna play Zeus Again Well, he was nowhere before was he Zeus before I don't know. I don't think he was Zeus before Yeah, he did he did in uh clash of the titans Oh, yeah, he did Yeah, that's all I remember about that maybe he just seems like the kind of person who'd play Zeus Now he does but not back in the day. I don't think Do you mean that the other way around or I feel like Why would I mean it the other way around because he's like doughy now versus like strong Yeah, I'm saying it feels more likely that he would play Zeus now because he's older not strictly because he's doughier Um, I mean everyone depicts Zeus differently, right? You can have a young Zeus if you wanted to It's just usually Zeus is an old man with a beard True, but I would which do you think is more important to portray Zeus like strong and muscular or old I don't know that Zeus needs to be muscular. I feel like he can get away with the different He should be an animal fucking a white girl He needs to be big that's for sure Like a big I think I think you could either go with a chungus or or a tubs And either one can work jacked and old Yeah, but if you only have to pick one I think if I had to pick one I'd probably be with old I would say I would say Yes, it's tough. He shouldn't he shouldn't be any older than his brothers Uh, Poseidon and Hades And they're not like that. I'll have white hair, but it won't mean that he's like old. Yeah Yeah, it's almost just to symbolically fatherly or something. Um I like so so is it you guys are wrong. It's like could you be more specific? We're talking about Tell me about the lore Right. Yeah the lore of the deep lore mythology Good. Well, he can he can he can change his shape as he often does for his lecherous pursuits Um, yeah, but I I feel like he should just be like the embodiment of the chad meme Yeah, but who's the little dose the little dose that sits there crying You mean the the virgin Oh, sorry, I'm thinking about the the other meme the one where you've got the jack dose and then the Jack does and wimpy the dinky does. Yeah, that's right. The dinky does cry. I don't know probably um Well, Zeus and god of war three. He's like, uh, he's a big old Well, he's he's old and buff in that I think yeah Well, it's like someone's like this guy broke because of god of war And I was like, I know he's not the god of war I'm just I'm just because they were saying that they were mentioning god of war And so I was thinking about like the greek gods and I was like, oh, yeah He was looking at rostalcrow as Zeus. Yeah, there was a through line there We know that Zeus isn't the god of war I'm just I'm just interested in the fact that the greek gods are coming to the mcu on top of fucking everything else Yeah, well it's turning into the the the dc one now with the with that Because I have the greek gods. Yeah I mean, hopefully we get it. We ended with a better areas Well, we'll probably end up with better since taiko it's heady. So it'll be better I will destroy you No, he wasn't Liam Neeson was Zeus you massives you fucking you for real right now. Did you not hear what we said? You're fucking for real right now It would be aries Do you say who would be there? Urgent To Zeus I guess because he's he's kind of like Zeus doesn't need to prove himself to anybody Everybody knows that he's a gigachat whereas like aries needs to prove it to everyone. I'm the god of war, right? Yeah, so Zeus there's a story where Zeus eventually in his disappointment Had said to aries if you so destructive were born from another god You would be the least important of the heavenly ones since long time Oh, man, he was so Zeus could be a dick He was often a dick. Uh, they were all a bunch of horrible dicks. Well, Athena, I know that the common one is medusa was a victim of the gods. They they really she she drew the short straw Because Zeus did the bad thing and then Athena punished a medusa for being the victim of it Marceus, he was a victim tantalus. I mean it's full of Who was the one who got tied up to get eaten forever? What's his name? that was um Was that oh no, wasn't prometheus. Oh, damn it was prometheus the one who got eaten I was gonna say him, but I always mix them up. Yeah, it's because he shit fire with the mortals Prometheus. Ah, yes. He was a good. He helped us out. He was a lad. He was a fucking lad Yeah, and uh, Prometheus was a good good guy He was in fact, I I think prometheus is often in art deco architecture Atlas is often Well, he atlases absolutely. Um, then prometheus is as well. He was he was punished for his efforts in atlas for his because in and um, especially in art deco and this is Kind of pre post modernism started by a lot of these when I don't battle this There was a huge push on work hard Personal effort individual response. It was it was huge into that you have You have to suffer and you have to go through a lot of hardships and trials and you'll get to That that that point at the end you see this in um art deco architecture You look at stuff like uh the chrysler building where everything Papers to a fine point at the beginning at the end of it at the very very top Um, yeah, it's all kind of drawing towards that. You know kind of idea. It wasn't as Blocky as you might think. Um, there was this praise of individual effort and so Prometheus and atlas He stole the wi-fi so others could download It's yeah, I really love art deco. Um, it might be my favorite architectural era I just really liked the way it looks. I do too. I really love I love the The the human figures that are in columns They got that shit with the gothic mixed in of course for um the schumacher Yeah, goth of it's like the best goth of in movies potentially Well, I mean, what do you think about? Well, some of that was by tim Burton though or like inspired by that right like in terms of I like Burton's Gotham as well. I like Burton's Gotham a lot I'm just saying that the reason I bring up shoe markers because everyone thinks everything from them those movies is terrible like No, yeah, but like that shit wasn't that terrible Gotham feels like a really distinct place and There's a fucking shame that like modern Gotham iterations are just fucking shit. I mean he said shitty Well, it's a shitty it does seem it does seem like the batman is actually trying to lean more into making Gotham more of a personality because like Because yeah, you're right in the dark knight trilogy Gotham is just new york Which is Emma begins tried something and then they just gave up and the other two That yeah, because especially in the dark knight rises. It's just new york and it's like dude Gotham has like an identity. It really does have an identity in the comics Um, and it's the whole thing. It's like well, what is it the differentiates got them from metropolis? It's like you got to put work into that metropolis is new york Gotham is something else In fact though, uh, metropolis has a very unique look as well That's true metropolis. I was about to correct myself metropolis. Definitely has kind of an art deco Yeah, influence to it Whereas yeah, Gotham obviously has more of a gothic art deco is actually originated in france Yeah, the more you know I do like the whole thing of The reason why primatheus and atlas were like elements of uh art deco is just related to sort of the mindset of the time It's super neat Yeah, um You might be punished for doing the right thing You might struggle and you might You know life might be tough life might be terrible even but you gotta keep to it. You gotta keep going You gotta you gotta you gotta keep hustling Gotta keep on the game. Can't quit gotta keep doing it. Can't quit. No can't quit until you're dead And that and that's like an old it's it's like a It's like a revitalization of the old kind of romans. Cincinnati's inspired sort of work ethic. It was It's something that you're definitely something to it No, uh, well, yeah, I mean, I think it's just the idea It's funny because I've been listening to um Homo deus, which is like the sequel to the book sapiens Nice well No, because homo is I thought I thought I was about to say something mixing languages in order. Oh, nice. I see No, I know No, I haven't watched him in a long long time, but I admire a lot of the stuff he does Although it's gonna say Jordan Peterson. Oh I still gotta read that book. I have it, but I haven't looked at it yet I was but anyway, I was listening to it and it's um, the whole idea of the book is that the first one was kind of about like the history Oh, and also, I guess the preface is I know that these books are like pretty heavily criticized scholarly So it's worth considering everything I'm about to say through that lens um But there was a part that was talking about how like Hmm, it seems like because we all we all kind of agree that like free will doesn't exist, right on some level Or like whatever it is that we consider to be free will is like, um, what is it exactly? As far as I'm aware the quick route to this is deterministic plus Compatibilism is what we believe in right something like that um, and it was a whole idea of like in the future especially with like If if we if we head into a future where we are On purpose changing our brain chemistry It's like how at that point what happens to like all of the human experiences and and like And um and insights and stories and like wisdom like what what is the applicability of that to people who are fundamentally not human beings anymore? That's something different Well, um, I think we talked to a little bit about before in terms of there's so many stories that address the concept of death And how to deal with it and what it means if we eliminate death Do those stories like You know what happens to them Well, I think the concern would be that if if we if we get rid of death We got like some massive existential crisis happening because not everybody's gonna have access to that It'll probably be that like if you're wealthy you'll be able to pay for it or if you live in wealthy countries But a lot of people would just be fucked Like they'll have to live their lives knowing that they'll die but there's this Like class of people who live forever I don't I don't see how society functions at that point Even if it were cracked to the point where everyone gets it like genetically or something And um, I just think that even then we will be encountering some new problems Oh, I mean the big problem will be you'll be afraid to do anything You've been given a chance to live eternally. You don't want to do something that might fuck that up and get yourself killed So why would you take any risk injured or anything? Yeah, like why would you take because it seems like we could probably stop people from dying But like you can't reverse death or at least it seems like that's not possible Like when you're dead, that's it give it time We'll figure something out. Well, I know right because well, you know like a mummified sort of the corpse or whatever I wonder if we'll develop technology that relates to cloning and everything else that we can actually like Maybe somehow bring them back and how fucking crazy that would be Well, I guess the reason why I find all this stuff scary is because I feel like I mean it's what a lot of people say Right death gives life meaning it's like yeah kind of does Lots of ways where especially talking about the journey Yeah, the finite nature of life is like there's something valuable about that in terms of getting out of it as much as you can um And I know that philosophy has been described by a lot of the old greek philosophers is like preparing you for death What happens when we get past that point? like You know we enter the spooky zone Well, I think I think I think once we reach that point we're dealing with people who aren't people anymore Like they're not they're not really like human beings anymore. They're like something else Um, because it's like it's a part of the human experience of death as a part of it You have to categorize it differently I would say that we might just reach the point where we're kind of talking about a different species at this point We're talking about people who are like merged with computers or have lots of like Bionic parts or might just have like computers that are part of their consciousness Plus they might have just like a regulation over their brain chemistry that is like just not possible for us They might experience the world in a fundamentally different way and if that's the case Could you even say that they're human beings anymore if they fundamentally have a different? um interaction with reality I know humanity is not the endpoint of evolution. That's what i'm saying. I'm saying like In the next 100 or 200 years are we like human beings ourselves going to directly evolve ourselves into something different And at that point, what do you do if you're a human being? What what if there is like a class of superior humans and then you've got just human beings who hang around who are totally at the you know Like back in call of their what's happening in their brain and they have no control over it No access to technology. It's like I don't know um That scares the fuck out of me actually a little bit like that's it's a scary concept Bring you gonna turn into an emu Maybe yeah, maybe win a war. Oh, don't don't tell me what soma's about. Come on. I still haven't played it yet Don't don't annoy them with the fact that you keep saying you're gonna play it I will At some point. Well, halloween's coming up Yeah I won't stop recommending you to read Nietzsche. I have read some of it. I've nearly finished beyond good and evil. It's a cool book A lot of it doesn't mean anything to me though when he's talking about like Oh, you know the germans in like the 19th century. What is it the difference the germans from like the french? It's like, I don't I don't know I got no idea I know nothing about any of this. You have no excuse. Yeah, I do. I'm busy working on my comic It's kind of sad how some people in chat are genuinely afraid you guys would get in trouble for that and we're super chat terrible time We live in Yeah, I mean we've said from the get go our problem is the As much as there's social consequence and there should be for certain things you say in certain contexts There shouldn't be a single thing That is unsayable in every context. That's stupid. Yeah That is I respect that there are times where you you probably shouldn't say a thing and all that jazz But my god, like they've gone too far already and it's only gonna go further Well, I mean it's what is it neural divergent? That's what you have to say now instead of um until that becomes a slew Well rags that's already that's already like in the no-no bin at this point Like you can't call them neuro divergent because that implies that they have diverged from a norm That is very yeah, I know it's it's kind of well. That's the interesting thing It's it's what was it called you said mola the effects on this one where it's something like that something treadmill in terms of just like So the way it works is Wood gets introduced and then it's used by everybody to describe a thing and then everyone starts using that to describe someone acting In a dumb way until that eventually becomes the woods associate exclusive with like the insult And then like actually you just say this and then that new one will become the same thing will happen It's just a matter of time. I'm pretty sure you can't call things dumb because there's a lot of people can't speak Well, that's the interesting thing rags. Here's the history. So it used to be that you'd call people in imbecile um, and then they they were like no, that's offensive So it's it's mental retardation and now that's offensive So now it's something else it just keeps happening So neural divergent will eventually become an insult and then it will be something else Because people would just use the other one as an insult at some point Yeah, because the second you go what am I supposed to describe you as person who wishes to be identified as person that is You know thing with them that is different from others Well, the they will tell you you're supposed to say this but then the more you say that one They'll be like, okay now. It's now. It's not okay if you say that. Yeah, shit now. They're all now They're calling me a da da da da and like uh That doesn't change what they've tried so many times because you know like calling someone special like you're a special individual That everyone's like, yeah, you're really fucking special No, no you can't say that What I mean because Oh wait, you can't say that one either. I don't think I mean, you can you can say retarded and retarded on on youtube still Oh, okay, not on twitch though. Not on twitch. No And that's thing that depends on who it depends who you are. I bet if you're a big old titties Why you could say whatever the fuck you want about them about them You especially you say it as if context matters, right? Of course. Yeah, that's just frustrating. I have we learned nothing from the countdown killer stuff context matters. Nope Nope Reminds me of the George Carlin bit on shell shock and soft language. Yep. It's a really good literally that. Yeah, um Yeah, because it used to be shell shock. Then it was battle fatigue. Then it was um Uh, what oh god damn it Ah, I can't Well PTSD was the end of it So it was it was shell shock then it was battle fatigue Then it was operational exhaustion and then it was post traumatic stress disorder And you know and he made the point It's like if if they were still calling it shell shock during vietnam those veterans might have gotten the help they needed He's probably right You've you've taken all of the human element out of it Now of course PTSD is like a broad thing it includes more than just like shell shock but Still you've been calling that shell shock that would have scared people would have You see some of those videos of like the world war one soldiers with shell shock. It's fucking it's nuts Just like they can barely even walk Um, there was a dude who was deaf But if he saw people say bomb like and he could see that that was the way their mouth was moving Despite being in a hospital in london. He would immediately duck and cover underneath the bed Golf or syndrome was another one. Yeah, sounds like something I would have used Uh, what hydra and drakoff did only matters on a political scale on earth The tva is only monitoring galactic such universal scale events respectively nexus events affecting the timeline or multiverse No, the tva do everything literally down to the coffee You're late for work You can believe that when drakoff was like do we assassinate this person or not the tva were looking over his shoulder like Make the right choice, buddy And he said no, it's like sorry, buddy, you got a guy. See you they appear in the little teleporters Loki got a Kidnapped I'm not gonna say arrested that implies some form of just a viable authority But he was kid. Loki was kidnapped on uh after he teleported with a tesseract. That was it Just teleporting was the thing they got him for it wasn't for doing anything else It was just the teleporting was what they got him. See I even I even think that that over exaggerates the situation They said like late for work Something that yeah, you could sleep in and you've done a sin And now you've condemned unknowingly your your universe Yeah, destruction. Yeah, you dragged a whole universe with you be fried Is that this is like that's depending on the framing. This is a legit cosmic horror level stuff Yeah, it's just all about how you frame it and how you play it out Yeah there because there's a um One of my uh, one of my favorite scp's is 19 I think it's 68 But it is essentially it's like a universal reset button You somebody walks into this coil mechanism this strange coil mechanism that's buried under the Arctic or whatever and the machine spins around and Everyone thinks that the person who goes inside of this coil and walks back out of it has their memories wiped and it scrambles their brain That's what everyone thinks happens. That's what they think this machine does But what the machine actually ends up doing what it really does is it resets the entire universe the entire cosmos It resets everything except for that one person And so that one person is the only thing left from the previous universe. That's why every time they run the machine Everyone thinks that this person's crazy and the person's saying no No, you can't ever use this machine ever ever again And and they try to stop this organization from testing the machine over and over Because it destroys an entire universe and resets it and creates a new one And but everyone in that universe just thinks it's the person who's had their brain scrambled This sounds a lot like the rick and morty vat of acid thing in terms of just the you know, what's actually happening where Rick like morty isn't resetting. He's killing somebody in an alternate universe and taking their place Probably worth not Ain't any more about that because that's one of the best episodes and yeah, hopefully rags will forget about it by the time I watch that because that fucking pale is fantastic damn it Getting ahead of myself. You'll forget. Don't worry. Um They don't want to use the hero's journey because it's male centric It doesn't have the same effect when you apply it to a female in the hero role You disagree. Oh, I disagree. You can do you can do the hero's journey with a woman There's no reason you could Luke Skywalker could have been, you know Lana Skywalker. There's no reason why that's impossible Um, if they see it that way, then that's just their fucking fault like For not trying hard. I don't know. Um, but it does seem to me that the hero's journey is like Ew, that's that's done. Nobody wants to see that sort of fucking weird ass attitude, I guess Um Yeah, I don't I don't know that the hero's journey is like Something that women can't go on I know that there is the is the heroine's journey or something right is a different thing But I mean, maybe I don't know that this the the things that happen in the hero's journey couldn't just be transposed to a woman I don't know why they wouldn't be able to Yeah, especially if we're dealing with like superhero stuff we can change up the power levels and stuff Could be all right You were saying elite a battle angel? I can't remember just does that do Sort of the standard heroes. Yeah, I think it does pretty straight forward standard heroes But I don't like that What about the the graphic novel slash comic? Uh, I hear better things about that and it's probably similar I'll be right back What do you think ever happened to death in con my head canon is that he oft himself out of shame immediately after getting off the call That's that's the guy that uh That first debate with me and wolf And him that's the they're not so great debate guy. I don't know what he's doing. I hope he's all right. Hope he's enjoying tlj to this day Patrick Rothfuss a good writer. Love my ass off Don't know who that is He was axing me. That's true Uh, just popping in real quick to mention that it is a real shame that tv I totally forgot to put the reverse timecaller on silvi leading to her escape um true But also they would have just written it so that she stole the uh the controls to that as well Mm-hmm, but you're right. She should have had it well before she ended up in trial, right? They put it on you Wait before that That's a good catch regardless. They put on likey when they slowed them down. Yep They didn't do that for her Uh with the recent controversy any thoughts on having clownfish on Neon and sparkles would be good guests and sparkles herself is pretty based I don't really know who any of these people are Yeah, um, but sure Kevin Smith is a soy chuggin cuckface It's not you as a whole it's just the face really I like the idea that cuckface is just like, you know, it's almost like you're just saying insults you your little cuck Face Bites Um, somebody said I would love the elita comic if they got that on kindle. I might just download it now I am underexposed to manga and as as I got into an argument with chat the other day Not you're not on my stream That are anime and manga. So I might need to fill up that library of content and then have the second debate. We beat them up Yeah, maybe hopefully it's good. Let's see battle angel Every friday night time Kind of kind of One of the time cops even capture the variance when I just open the portal and toss in time, right? I I agree. Why not? What is the point? Never give a reason for that other than just showing us that they get condemned to guilty and then zapped. What the fuck is the point? Um, I'll it'll take a tlj level very blatant and obvious middle finger to general fans and normally used to get mcu to actually fall but we'll be ready I suppose this is an interesting comparison and you'd think styles was invincible But after the solo thing happened I think that's what gary was talking about was like we need a flop. It was just like how are we gonna get a flop though With the mcu it's it's hard to say. I I yeah, I don't know I'll show what that looks like Maybe your tunnels will be our hero And flop it's like come on, please I I people seem to be really adamant that like that'll be the one but i'm just I don't really buy it The thing about that to me is that um, even if it did flop, how many people are going to associate that with like the fall Of the mcu I imagine most people wouldn't even necessarily have 100 understanding that that is in the mcu In the well, I think that'll be there but also like that movie has a pretty stacked cast so they got that working for them to Yeah, like that's a way to save us or to die Suppose we will see Marvel has to cuck tony and hail hydra first cap or else they will cost on brand for a while They will coast on brand for a while all right I mean, let's think they could be coasting, but they're not they they're clearly ruining Like if they just had basic stories But for example falcon and bucky just you know, stop some bad things from happening And they learn something about themselves along the way that sort of shit. It's like, I don't think we're even getting that It's much worse. I've replaced hulu netflix amazon prime with all your channels you people my main source of entertainment That's great. That's a really big compliment to me, honestly Yeah, that's awesome. I wouldn't I'm never gonna be the person to say like there is nothing good on tv But I mean if you feel like you're that entertained by the stuff that we do it's like, oh, thank you yeah, um To those who actually want to do something by shout of the conqueror by the ryan drake series by cyberfrog support real creators You crowd are the future I mean It would be it's a nice thought right that we would be the future of media or whatever versus like marvels got king money like they kind of be at the top forever Well, at least For a very fucking long time Um, yeah guys like we're getting we're getting a fucking avalanche of star wars shows like You know, it was it was enough with the um Like all the ones we had for for a marvel, but like disney doing even more because On efeb, I think we're gonna check out. We'll probably check our book above that we said before I'm not even sure about the asoka one. Do you guys want to watch that? I don't Uh, I don't care Don't carry the um Then if there were a mando season three, we probably would watch that Oh, there was a mando season three. That's uh, it's just a while away Well, that's why I said if like I know it's announced, but I mean who knows what could happen whenever. Yeah, um What else is there if they made a luke sky? Oh the obi one show will probably watch in horror and the acolyte thing And or but I don't want to really want to watch those either So I'm I'm actually I managed to make it all the way around a circle I'm curious about casting and or specifically because I'm so not curious about it and they made it Yeah, I'm like you made it. What are they gonna do? What are they gonna create out of this idea that nobody wanted? Yeah, like what what does it mean to be a cat like Cassian and or like what? I'm so I can't wait to see Cassian and or come back. You're like really one of my favorite characters Cassian and or Cassian and or who? No What mando season three recently started production ever early really oh, okay I thought it was not happening until next year. I honestly thought that they were going to delay it until they'd gotten all their guest spots for season three soil Yeah, that's right. We haven't Because like I feel sorry for any writer that has to write for mando. They're just like two seasons. I'll go watch him Okay, now what I don't know. He's he's about he had to I don't know I don't know. I feel like that's kind of great Yeah, you could do all kinds of stuff. You you almost have a blank slate Well, um, I mean if you're gonna look at it that way. Yeah, but I just meant like if someone was to take forward the character Like yeah, I felt bad. Yeah, that's like who's because We'd we would want to be genuine about it, right? And it's someone's like can you continue this person's work like sure and you watch the previous working like I don't know What I'm what am I continuing one of my continuing? Yes. It's like yeah, it's almost like The writer for season three could also just write it like it was season one And just do something You could forget about the first two seasons and just do whatever You I guess that's the thing I would want to what I fuck Like if I if somebody said to me, hey fringy, you got to make mando season three I think the big thing is we're gonna make mando a character. That is like the priority of this season Let's make him a free time to make her protagonist a character The subtitle is his name because I just want to make it clear that it's about him now Yeah, Mandalorian season three I'm thinking of beginning things Enjoy Um, yeah, I didn't I didn't mean to like say though that it's definitely good to support All kinds of creators you think that are doing The better sort of media production and stuff Well, yeah, especially in in terms of it being indie needs needs support If you want it to exist Who's the most racist guest and why is it fringy? Well, I think fringy is I think he's I don't know. Maybe it was experiences in his childhood with People of certain ethnic backgrounds. I'm not sure Um, maybe those have just kind of been sitting in his subconscious for a long time and he hasn't really thought about them and I don't know but I mean we keep our eyes on him We make sure that you know, he's sort of you know, we a lot of therapy Um, a lot of you know, we just chat with him. We let him know that you know, they're not all like that Yeah, that too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah But you know, I he'll be yeah, he's gonna be okay. He's gonna be all right But we really have a lot of faith in him if we didn't he wouldn't be the third host Um, but I feel like uh, he's gonna pull through he's gonna come out all right Um, and uh, we won't ever have uh, one of those incidents again. No, I don't think so A lot was learned. I I just I I I feel like you guys should have been more honest about these things instead of bullshitting me well, we wanted to tell you sooner, but I mean, like if this is how you actually felt god damn, we were in a we were in a What the hell what am I meant to do with all this now? Well, yeah, we told you we make it public at some point. So You I remembered no such conversation I think you were going on one of your your rants and I said it and I guess you just yeah I mean if you know now more or you said that you would take your medication you promised Which one You know, which one I have several so I I I usually get them. I missed one. Let me know, you know, which one i'm talking about You promised It's it's just I don't know when you make promises. You're supposed to stick to them and my long meds They take them all the time. I I think we shouldn't I it's not something that I I figured you wouldn't want it to be talked about on stream specifically Unlike you with me Oh, well, I mean, you know You know these things have to be discussed in the open sometimes because like the people are catching on for me We've got to address it, you know Yeah, I know people are catching them all so You gotta that answers your question back up on you gotta get back up on that that horse, right? Make sure you got it. We were talking about brain chemistry before, you know Yeah, I mean, you know, you're absolutely right and I'm just I'm glad we're both I'm I am our problems head on I am diagnosing this issue Because that's what that's what plague doctors do Be racist No, don't help you with your problems. God. Well, you're not helping with the representation. Then are you? That's all I'm talking about. I just think that yeah, we're sorting it out chat. Don't worry Sam, right? Well, you you make you gotta make sure you gotta deal with that problem. All right Don't don't leave don't leave rash just like that unresolved See no answer. That means he's not pushing back again. I guess so. Yeah This is dumb as well. Yeah I can't go back on that. That was a that was a very correct. Yeah, you were pretty definitive on that one Well, then I can do to I guess you really kind of you may have upset him. Maybe he didn't want people to know. I don't know What can you do? I don't know But running away from the problem running away to get that one Step one is accepting that you have one. Yeah Um, this one just says blim That's just a funny word That's a fun word Uh, calling up bs is important, but right now I've got something positive. I really like this game called crosscode It's like a top-down Zelda with deeper combat and a great story. Hope some of you check it out Um, yeah, I've never heard of it. Uh, but while I have now Sounds like it could be neat Uh, the the stories would be meaningless since everything is predetermined. Well, so When you say the stories would be meaningless, I'm assuming you mean they are and have been but now Now they're meaningful because no now they're meaningful now Um, this is 20 minutes and four seconds D's nuts. Love my ass off All right, okay Oh, apparently the australian woman's relay just won gold. Huh No, because the olympics are on I totally oh right the olympics Apparently strally just won a medal of some sort. Oh, yeah, the olympics are happening. I I I don't know. I just You don't care about the olympics. All right. I don't know. I guess I just don't We're going to America wins. Oh, yeah, they're the best thing ever Uh, the next woke fest disappointment the willow series I I was I don't know the series. I mean, I don't think willow is series or I thought it was a movie It was a movie. Yeah, we're gonna turn it into a series because they aren't There's the thing a lot of people really like and invested in willow. I've always thought it was kind of goofy So I don't like you know, I'm just like Australia's in fourth place. Look at that Wow, what's the what medal is that? Apparently they won golden Apparently they broke a world record. All right It was in swimming or something. It was a relay. Let me where is it? Where is the information? Give it to me So number one is china two is japan three is the united states. Australia is in fourth place tied with uh ROC, what is that? Is that is that taiwan? Our russia is called ROC Huh, let's see. What do we win? I say we I didn't win shit They won it You went whoo I I judge people harshly when they say like oh we so I've I gotta stop myself from doing that Yeah, you know what we won. I'm an earthling Tokyo 2020 Medals Give me a minute. I'll get it. All right At the end a Loki solution would be to have none of them take over for Kang and somehow have silvi torture Kang forever leaving him alive That way no one will be in control free and now exists And the multiverse won't happen done and everyone the but the villain is happy I don't know. I don't know about an ending where that we we are permanently torturing Kang There are about a million ways you could have ended the show um I don't even know that I would be like out of the question that silvi kills him I just would have liked it if the characters fucking discussed their options Yeah, I wish I can't say right now based on what I've seen that the characters are just aware of what the hell's happening going on Or that they made an informed decision. Yeah That's really lame like character choices. That's like some of the fucking bedrock of story talent. I'm just like worries I don't even know what I saw happened They just sort of that is what stories are Decisions made by characters Yeah, I just don't think the characters are aware of what they've done So if that's the case like what are the writers aware if they're not aware then rip stories. Oh, yeah Um silvi was faced with a choice between becoming god and releasing an infinite amount of satans into existence and killed someone to ensure the latter again I am not against the idea of the release format, especially with how dubious kang seems to be Um, because it's a almost like a free-for-all fight versus everyone constantly dying Um, I we're gonna but I need to have more discussion on exactly what all of it means And then we need to think about better solutions than the two fucking options we get Yeah, it's like I feel like I'm choosing between a world full of And a world full of death with free will Yeah, um, if if that's the fucking false dichotomy we've got to deal with then I guess that's what we're going with If the concern is we'll eventually have a super evil kang who just like take over takes over everything and it's all horrible or something I guess that changes it a little bit Thus, I mean, I still don't get the mechanics of how any of that works. Um You know like who has control over whether or not someone can prune on a whole timeline or a whole multiverse, you know No idea. How the fuck does any of this work? I don't know. Yeah, what and I don't get what the tba is supposed to do now Just chill out. I guess they're well, I guess well, no, I guess that he loki got sent to a universe. Why did she send him there? I got no clue man. Um, I don't like why we know that you you know how to work these things even using them your whole life Why did you send loki to a A shitty one that why did you not just send him back physically to the tba and not to some weird alternate multiverse bullshit where They don't even know who he is like That sounds like a horrible thing to do to like establish that Owen wilson or mobius and loki are friends and then after that and knowing that You send him to a different universe where that mobius doesn't even know who he is It worked on twitter though rags. I saw a post that was like Oh my god So like one of those tragic endings that loki after all this time he found someone in mobius He could trust a true friend and even that is taken away from him in the in the finale So she's gonna be the villain of this series then I fucking doubt it I yeah, I just I don't believe that. Well, what the fuck writers. Yeah, what are you doing? Yeah, what's going on great question. I can't believe this is the thing loki's supposed to be the more evil of the two And he's the one he's like let's have a chat and then she's just like no kill kill kill It's so awkward when you try to make someone more evil, but they're less evil like really It's It's fascinating to me because like kang is just this huge library of information It's like talk to him. He's been doing this for what infinite time talk to him Yeah, like did you make that robe? Do you get lonely here? What do you eat? Where's the apple from? Can you conjure them? I that's why I find the mc sub boring sometimes like can you have a real person talk to kang just be like So Oh, shit. How did you do that this fucking salt monster thing? Where did you find him because I don't believe you? Was he how did you control him? Why does he listen to you? Are you talking to him all the time? Is he on autopilot right now? What if someone accidentally gets pruned who doesn't deserve it because that trial seems a little kangaroo like Kangaroo kangaroo caught I give it a thumbs down. That feels like a tv show kangaroo caught the the the judge is a kangaroo That's again that could you could have a great series about that and have all stuff about law and you know They're gonna do that in bojack like all of the court scenes that run by Yeah, that well that would have taken some world building Oh Again to remind people there's a scene when in bojack They go to like a restaurant that serves meat and there's a picture of Like a pig with all of the cuts imagine if you went to a restaurant that serves human flesh And there was a picture of a human kneeling on their all fours with little cuts marked on them That's like the world building in bojack Well, yeah, I'm pretty sure they have Diane um He's like an activist Gains all of the meat Oh, but then in the latest season she goes and gets like a kfc at one point Yeah, that's like the flesh of humans equivalent in this universe There's also just like a fucking character. Fuck up Oh, yeah, of course dude remember how it's because there was an episode where it's like nobody knows chick The whole idea being it's ethical to eat chickens because They're humans who they've been injected with something that destroys their brains and it's like oh, yeah, that's uh Abe's odyssey moment The age odyssey is uh, that that's like an actual story that makes sense So I love how like this little video game that came out like twi- it's that Nearly like 25 years ago Put more effort into telling this story than like bojack did and got way less praise for it as a narrative Yeah, people think bojack's good. I've only heard like Well in finish you hang out with us a lot You hang out with us everybody thinks that show was amazing Yeah, but I think they're wrong Wow, I'm on that then wrong because I rewatched the whole thing. So But there there are plenty of shows that people think are really good that aren't Just yeah, they'll think that about us for you that we think bligh is good Sure, I know but I mean, but you know, there's just certain shows that you know people say it's like the best thing ever Watch Yeah, like phenomenal shows just 10 out of 10 and you're just like oh wow. It's like a fucking one damn Amazing and it's like a two. Yeah. Well if you ask captain midnight for what I said Loki was a fucking 10 out of 10 I don't know maybe probably what is that? Yeah I can hear the music. Where are you mario you fuck? He's running fronty Music no fringy. I'm referring to the spook mario. He is my skin, but in blue. He's doing blue face That is unacceptable The casual viewers of ruin fandom is starboard game of thrones and the bars filled with people cheering at pointless twists and deaths I'm mourn for marvel and fandom in general That's actually an interesting point Because I remember when those first came out and people were loving it like watching people react en masse to certain events and stories And like there's got to be a symbiotic sort of thing going on where writers are like, oh, we got to make more of them moments where people just die Again, that's that's just it. That's the appeal. It has nothing to do with like why they died in the storyline Just kill them and then people go And and you could argue it made things worse, but at the same time, right All that shit started like even season one of game of thrones has moments that would make fans do that You just have to have writers that have some fucking restraint or spine One of these words probably matches just something that makes it so that they continue writing good shit But they also try and get those moments in there too And just like I hope this part makes them go. Ooh Hear the mute is he downstairs or something let's go have a look Oh, there he is. Hello No wonder he thought atlas beach episode was good. Oh, yeah captain midnight said that Oh boy, he thought it was great. I think like one of the best episodes in atla What a horrific take Jesus and like the top comments were like we need more of this in shows We're like all the villains get together and talk about their motivation Because they hadn't done it up to that point Oh my god Uh kang better than thanos these people have been keeping ways to one up each other on stupid things to say Yeah, that was a pretty interesting take. He was more excited for kang After that scene as a villain than he was for thanos up to game of thrones if Maybe the creator of this video is just a super troll. Nope No genuine opinion Shame I was looking forward to shad's analysis of Loki vs. Lady sif fight scenes Yeah, there's a lot to analyze you correct on that um It was really great that they brought sif back for that, you know Well, shoot, I guess. Yeah A fan favorite though. Yeah But maybe she'll be cool on that In fact, she probably will be I'm sure tyke will have them doing all kinds of things Yeah Um, none of this show matters. They showed Loki a video before they could have shown him another one up till Until the threshold point They could have shown him another up until the threshold point I'm sure I understand. None of the show matters. They showed Loki a video before they could have shown him another one up until the threshold point The threshold point I don't Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't know what they're referring to by that I'm talking about the point where he changes into a new character Um, yeah, I Yeah, I don't really know Yeah, I'm not I'm not 100% sure um As mankind supremacists I for one am happy that a human figured out time travel first and all the foreignzinos do things the earth way Hi rags Hello, we did it everybody. We cracked it first Wow, despite that horrific late start. That's uh fortunate. I guess Good on us. Yeah, we sure are great. Good job. Everything's about earth in this galaxy. That's kind of yeah Yeah Wrong I watched joker for the actor. So I don't think you did. I think it was the actor portraying that script that story Um I'm not referring to you go to see it because like this is the thing him playing joker is probably a big reason for why I ended up thinking that It has a chance What I meant is like We need more than we're hoping for the stories. Not just the uh, look, it's that guy That's not really Um The thing that that's gonna be driving all of this stuff to to satisfying conclusions them just being there It's never gonna be enough. It'll get them um on the seat, right? And then when they go through whatever crap you've got right at the end You bait the next person that they should come and sit down for and that just seems to be the format Joker was like We got this script. We got this story. It's gonna be a tough one. We need an actor can actually pull it off And then we got what we got Yeah, you know walking phoenix is super impressive, but uh, I still fucking think the script is fantastic in joker Most it's when they're both working together. That's when you get like fantastic stuff he And now there's a joker too. Yeah, I don't know about that. That's wow Maybe we should be just hoping for a lot of stuff that's just okay So that it doesn't get a sequel that ruins it, but it's still good enough to sort of appreciate We just we need a lot more. We need a lot of six out of ten. This is hellish landscape And with the golden zone where we can get that six out of ten maybe seven out of ten That isn't really a commercial success, but it does okay you know So it can just be nice It's like doing taxes in a fucked up system We're like, oh if I make one more dollar I have to pay more Which means I you know, I better not make as much money so that I get more money So I don't have to go into the next bracket. Yeah Maybe we'll be like godfather too. Well, we'll give it a chance, right? You know It'll be good. It'll be good Timekeepers equal Snoke I mean kind of yeah, just the this thing that really just gets killed and you're like, oh There's someone else behind it all you're like, oh it's palpitism whoa Not sure if you guys are aware, but everything always posted a video complete a video complete breakdown of spider-man no way home leaks yikes Yeah, it's concerning if that's if they're all true, but they can't all be true. I'm guessing right Some like if some of them are correct some of them have to be wrong Um, yeah, I'm not reassured by what I've heard the story is gonna be Yeah, I'm still gonna want to see it executed, but you know Yeah, I got more faith in that and like basically anything other than like Thor and and guardians from Marvel What do you have the most faith in right now? No guardians. Um, yeah, I'd say. I guess suicide squad if we're talking about all stuff right now It's like yes, suicide squad's the one I'm looking for like actually looking forward to watching Mola saying your best dramatic voice my soy sense is a tingling Naira x Hello get hyped ea is remaking the original dead space sarcasm It'll be interesting probably yeah, how does this company do this game compared to how visceral did it? I guess that's the thing. It's like I guess I would prefer this than nothing at all so To see yeah, I'd say so because it can't take away from the original. That's the thing Yeah Even if this game is horrible, it'll just get the good original in people's minds um And if I mean chances are it'll probably be okay, you know And if it's really good that'll be it'll be really cool like dead space on modern hardware. Oh Like that could be a really cool Looking game Absolutely, and if it's really good and the company does quite a good job with it and this is just they just nail it We'll get more Yeah, maybe oh you get that dead space for that was meant to be the end, right? Wasn't that maybe this is like meant to be the end I can't remember. I don't know well because three ends on a massive cliffhanger um Yeah, it does Because the brethren moons are there at like a but but then again It may well be that that's not what they wanted as a story because of you know, everything the the requirements that we'll put on them To make it an action thing You know is maybe that was almost like uh Yeah, I don't know things aren't looking good in the story of dead space things are looking pretty fucking grim yeah Loki's the only show I give a zero out of ten It cannot function as a story and it's based around can contradictions and will building failures big sad hours So I agree, but nothing is a zero Well, yeah, if they're using the system of the worst kind of story for continuity, then I guess that's fair if that's what they put it sure, yeah Because this is a thing I feel like you know like just the idea that Mobius and Loki speak and then the next time they speak they recognize that they've spoken before and they are developing a new Conversation. Yeah, I'd be like that alone pushes it from zero to one to me Yeah, bad minimum continuity. Yeah, but it's you know, Loki's still fucking terrible Uh, hey Mueller, I know Mando is usually praised online But I was wondering if you've seen a video on youtube called why Mando season two is kind of crap If not, I recommend giving it a watch also high rags Hello Yeah, I've not seen it, but uh Mando does get ridiculous amounts of praise compared to how good it is Fucking ferocious As an event, I mean, but yeah, um And we'll see us returned for season three. I'm sure it's gonna be fucking great Get the band back together and we'll be excited for season four too Whenever that comes out five and six Mm-hmm Mando's adventures through the universe meeting all kinds of awesome people Like bokeh time to then get their own show. No, sorry bokeh bokeh tan because she pronounces her name incorrectly Oh, kateen Somebody pronounces her name incorrectly one of her versions one of her versions. Yeah um Mueller have you and the boy seen all tomorrows by c.m. Kozeman yet No It has one of the best law in any media. You'll see plus it produces funny memes I I do not know what that is at all no clue Yeah, never heard of it bolts on replacing bussy with man witch Those are two different things Yeah, I feel like they are they're very specifically categorized with those names on on purpose You can't just be replacing and combining, you know Um, who cares about this philosophy stuff when spider-man's coming out. Oh and high rags. Yeah Hello It really is coming out. Yeah, we're in december, right? Really is really is If this show was called video response theory the chat would have been melted Yeah, I would have been against continuity I just rewatched the Incredibles. It's better than I remembered and holy shit bob lied to helen for three months The ost is also incredible Yeah Wonderful movie soundtracks great Yeah It feels very suitable for the the era as well as the genre. Yeah Well, I mean that that film it's one of those things you don't appreciate as a kid, but they're really capturing that 60s feel Yeah, incredible is one of the good ones you have to look after put in a little trophy case Oh, yeah, because you stand better than you remember. It's like dude that movie is like legitimately one of the best movies ever made It's uh, I think because I usually I'm pretty sure we have the same ranking on these two But like walley tends to be my favorite, but Incredibles is like real fucking close Yeah, there's something about walley that really gets to me in terms of just I really love it Oh, the I think I think one of the things that I love so much about it is it's just like man This is like This is like the strength of animation you have this character who barely has Like a face But yet he has so much emotion that comes through in the way that he moves And just like the way that his eyes angle It's it's it's honestly like one of the best character designs ever in terms of achieving so much with so little Yeah, I'd like to think that walley helped Animation get taken more seriously just like a lot of the films from Pixar did But like yeah, specifically the um when he opens up the lighter that that moment. Yeah. Yeah I love the opening Go ahead. It's gonna say like some I remember reading at the time or it could have been A family member that mentioned how like that took fucking ages to make the him just looking at a lighter I remember a kid me thinking They spent so much time showing a robot appreciating fire Yeah, like this fucking film is great. It's just great When we owe it all to Prometheus And that are that opening scene I adore the music Yeah, it's just so stark and it's like this space man. Like look at this place Oh The scene where he lifts off into space And he goes through and he looks back at the world and the music that's playing He taps on the window and is like Eva look outside Even though she can't see it and he's just going through space running his hand through the uh, oh, it's makes me cry I love it. It's beautiful It's like I love that movie I just I adore it and it probably also helped continue to explain my Love for like science fiction space Just anything with space Um, and of course the Incredibles is like, oh, and isn't it there's so much Yeah, always like the last movie that was listed as their original set of ideas It was the last one from that meeting that they had at the coffee shop in 1994 And it shows kind of it just does there's there's like a stark I kind of have to contribute yms for pointing this out, but like there just is a divide There's like the up to walley and then after walley Because everybody loves up up is a cool movie, but It's it's it's just the opening. It's the opening That's the cool part. That's the really impressive part. Everything else is really just straightforward Um, I miss when things are good. We should probably redate the fucking podcast of that I miss when they're good Let me tell you I've I've got a newfound appreciation for ratatouille as well Um, I like that movie as a kid, but now I kind of I'm really impressed by it Yeah, that's one of the again if to me is always fitting with the Brad Bird the super impressive ones Well, because the only one that really seems like what happened was cause Cars is good seemed a little like cars is weird Yeah, well it is and which is funny because cars is their most successful one if you would include their merchandise sales Like i'm pretty sure cars is like one of the most successful things disney's ever had Fuck out of merchandise dude those cars. Yeah, they're everywhere room motherfucker. They're so I feel like yeah kids man Oh the christmas is Oh, well, I never got cars toys because I was never I never really even as a kid I don't think I was like super into cars I didn't but like the young youngins in our family The cut like like cousins and stuff Frozen merchandise did phenomenal cars. Oh, yeah frozen merchandise everywhere loaded cars for turbulence cars heavy metal Cars return to planet golf rack this all of the cars movies And then there was the planes one and then there was like cars rescue Um, so I saw somebody say toy stories above cars. No cars is the most successful one Toy story super successful, but cars made them the most money of merchandise wise I can see why you'd think toy toy story would be the competitor because of like obviously the Both of them share that element is more enduring legacy as well You know, and you think they have a wider breadth of merchandise to sell, but I don't know man cars Like people like cars. I think it's just the cars is like really Basically the same appeal as hot wheels and hot wheels is like massively successful too, and I loved hot wheels And I don't even drive a car I just sit here and I think about I feel like I uh, I feel like bugs life is the one that people often forget about because bugs life is really cool Um, yeah, it feels like um, it's we're right at the beginning of when it starts to get to the films everyone remembers instead It's like it's like the first one almost. I do remember bugs life is ants I do remember that was a thing. Yeah, I remember it was um, but I mean I barely remember shit about ants But like a bugs life a lot of that is not up here. I remember it was spelled with a z Yes All I remember is Like a bugs life I remember a lot more about the society of the ants and like their tech And like the the things that they had like their little equipment that they used to to get all the uh, the seeds And everything, um, I remember the the the the bird that they built Like uh, it's a scarifier. What was it hopper? That was uh, that was the name of the yeah the the locus Yeah, yeah, um toy story two is like I remember those I remember like yeah, go ahead You've got so but in bugs life had all the things that you'd expect from a picture A wide cast of characters all with interesting quirks personalities All well voice acted you have the protagonist who learns both to appreciate and to be appreciated And all you know teamwork is good, but Individual innovation is good as well. You know that yeah, there's that help ground. It's not all one or the other You know, he's not super selfish, but he's not super collective either There's a there's a good middle place to be and we can all learn from each other's aspects about that And there's just a lot of good stuff in there and it was creative like how you had the In cantina underneath the sombrero hats that they were hanging in and just the It was so much to like about it and it was such an early First right? It was their second toy stories first and then bugs life Um, yeah, it was um a worthy follow-up. I feel to toy story. Absolutely. I think it was I think so Yeah, because I don't know if I got this right But like timeline always felt to me that toy story two was where it was like this Pixar thing This is gonna be this is going real good now. Story two was 1999. It was their third movie Yeah, like it it felt like Maybe that's the fact that I'm saying cuz it's the third and three is a pattern. Obviously just like the idea Monsters Inc. That was like that was when people were like, yeah Pixar like we're gonna watch the Pixar movie Like they had their recognition by that. Oh, yeah, I'm saying like a People started like I felt like people started to notice that it's like so there's Pixar people They made these three and it's like these three are like because there was a time when animated stuff Just wasn't taking that seriously at all and it's like these are like full-on movies and they're really good Which is funny because this was around the same time as the disney renaissance when they were making a lot of great Well, yeah, I don't if you remember but like 3d was seen as more tacky at that point like you I Yeah, I remember and then there was just a shift by the time that like finding Nemo was coming out It it was just 2d was done Like nobody gave a fuck anymore Everybody was in for 3d and it might have just been because the tech was starting to get really impressive Like finding Nemo is a good-looking movie in terms of like the water effects and everything. Yeah Finding me. This is what I mean after sitting there and like monster zinc was fucking awesome I love monster zinc. There's something about monster zinc is really unique for the Pixar Like like there's not really as many films that lean as much into And that almost feels like a more adult movie in terms of just like what it is in terms of tone Or it feels that way. I mean, this is literally harvesting screams like The machine that randall makes is like horrifying it like attaches to just draws your screams out of you. It's like, um, okay Well, I feel like it's even as simple as the the uh, the sully and mike It feels like something that as an adult you sort of uh, you can appreciate more than as a kid you would, you know Yeah, um, the loyalty the loyalty they have is is going to transcend the uh, because obviously mike doesn't want to get involved with a lot of it But he's yeah, but he's loyal sully Yeah, sorry, uh, yeah the other way around it's Monster zinc is fucking great. Um, it's a really cool idea to the whole doors leading to different You know and they do they play with it. They play with it a lot like they have um They have that big uh that big door room where like all of the doors are getting hosted around and they Are jumping between those doors to get to each other and the election scene catch in uh What was the name of the bad guy again? I don't know who he is the spider handle not randall not randall the uh Oh, mr. Walter news Yeah, that's right. We're like they they use the that's a good example of reincorporation chekov's gun Like we see it in the first scene of the movie this fake room And we see it again right at the end when they trick him Well, yeah, they justify its existence and they're at the same time telling us what it is Why it exists and then they're using it for the plot as well Mike is like known to be one of the best Scary monsters there and he's given them all a bit of a help and it introduces ideas to us. Yeah. Fuck. I'm sorry my brain's Melting a bit. Um Yeah, and it's actually in tfa part three I think I mentioned that as like how it's done versus drastic park drastic world Where they come across the Jeep and just go remember how we used to repaired cars Yeah, just totally worthless I remember um I remember like the short films from back then are really burned into my because I had Mike's new car Is like one of my favorite short films ever It's really funny On the bird one where the birds are on the um Yes, or on the little thing and there's the big floopy bird who ruins it for real Is he's a chill bird, right? Like he's yeah, he's a cool dude And they all start screwing with him and then it backfires because when uh, he gets knocked off the thing They'll get shut up in the air and he just starts laughing. That would be great Somebody's asking thoughts on monsters university. It's fine. It's fine Yeah, I remember watching it with some fear and I ended up thinking like, yeah Okay, yeah, it's fine. But like I don't need it. And oh, I've got a way more powerful No, but they've got a tv show now too. You've just reminded me on disney plus monsters at work It's like a sequel, but it's a tv show. Can we stop? I'd like to stop And then um monsters it works and they're just like here's a garbage man monster Here's a secretary monster. This monster changes the light bulbs on communication towers Yeah, I guess this monster is unemployed And then we know he can get away with it The the one we haven't talked about finding Nemo, which is uh another banger Well, you mentioned it, didn't you? Oh, I might have we just didn't go deep into it like we did with all the other ones Yeah, so finding Nemo was uh There is this trailer. That's you know, they're going to Sydney I remember as a kid. I'm like, oh, that's I know that That's yeah the east australian current like oh australia. Why are you all american though the fish? Like you live in australia, but you're all american. No talking fish don't have the right accent They've arisen Oh, and I remember the um that when that when Nemo was working with um with the fish in the tank in the aquarium to uh To to do that plan to get through the the little blender thing to escape That was uh, I remember that was really tense as a kid watching that It's like oh, no, I hope it's okay. I haven't seen Finding Dory and I don't intend I don't intend to Yeah Toy Story 4 was like that. Oh man. That was a painful experience. Fuck that movie Yeah, that was a really tough one to like watch that was uh Oh man I just don't you look at it. You're like, yeah, Woody gives up on his friends No friends and and when the whole point of like the toy story series Is that like the that being a toy the value of being a toy is to have a positive impact on the life of a kid That was like the whole idea throughout the whole series And it didn't even really matter who the kid was just any kid. Yeah toy story 3 ending was way better Toy story 3 as as much as I you know have issues with toy story 3 as a thing like that is a great ending That's a that's a fantastic all the time I hear I hear all the time that the movie is not that great, but the ending's a really good ending It's it's kind of it's kind of perfect. I I don't really know what what could have made a better ending Is a simple concept like the kids grow up you end up going to another kid to make their life Yeah, happy because like that's what toys are It's not about staying with the same person forever that person's got what they've gotten from you They've gotten those experiences and those memories And then you can just create those new memories for a new one um, yeah, because of course it's like We're not like there's no such thing as a living toy But with what happens in this universe It's a very nice thing for toys because like it almost seems like our journey's end It's all coming to a close and you're obsessively trying to get back those memories of that the kid who's grown up It's like no, no, no just like Start life anew you've got a whole other journey to go on with another kid and you can do that forever I remember the the main criticism and again yms is one of the sources for this one was just that toy story three heavily retreads on toy story two's plot At least in terms of the significant beats the villain Like, you know a big a big villain who seems lovable these big chungus But then it revealed revealed that he has like some deep-seated like sort of hatred towards being abandoned or not loved Um, and a lot so was was fine. I I liked him. Um, but compared to the prospector Then again, it's kelsey grammar. It's like bear. It's amazing. You know everything you fair. Yeah Spending a lot He's a fucking great voice actor on a time store shelf watching every other toy be sold Well, finally my wedding's paid off and no hand me down cowboy doll is gonna mess it up for me now On and the the the um, the factory buzz like the other default buzz flying with the real buzz Just like all of the things he was saying like that other holds you till the court martial. It's like, you know Such an yeah, it's a really cool thing to have buzz deal with what buzz was like in a toy story one when he arrived And because and we know our buzz because he now keeps his helmet down most if not all the time Well, because yeah, they fucking made him a retard in toy story four. That was the meme He's a stupid narrow neuro diver. He's not he's not he's actually pretty smart. It's a funny point. He's smart He's really he's a space ranger He's analytical he's analytical exactly. He makes plans like he made the plan to rescue uh to rescue woody from uh that fat guy Oh, man, that was his plan. Toy story two man. It's good shit. Toy story two is underappreciated It's just underappreciated. I remember there was a video where you think it's underappreciated I do I because there are a lot of people who think it's the worst like the the the least grill out of all of them Yeah, I remember there was a video is worse than toy story four I don't know about toy story four But I know that when it was only one two or three cinemas in said that two was like the weakest one Even though they thought it was really good. It's like dude. It's it's really good It might be the best one if we're being serious I'd have to be watching. I don't want to see Yeah, we're only serious Well, no, I the the thing is is I love toy story one and I love toy story two But like toy story one does have that issue with buzz Um that toy story two has less of a problem with And and if everything else is working around the same in terms of what's happening It makes me wonder which one would uh would be on top It's really tough. Um, because it's both so amazing Do you remember the fucking chair that was just alive in toy story four? It's just this chair in the background. I like a creepy face. It's just like Hey I remember um Now I'm just thinking about that joke from toy story two where the fat guy was trying to buy Woody and they just like I'll give you 50 bucks for it 50 bucks a bed This is just really funny that they were watching their friend get sold. I was like, oh, you know 50 bucks. It's pretty good Oh, I remember the outtakes they had in the old movies. Well, I do. Yeah They stopped doing it for some reason A lot of work. I don't know. I only did it for the first three movies. They did it one two and um and uh, no They did it for I think they did it for a bugs life toy story two and I think monsters ink was the last one Because monsters ink had that one with the slow walk where they would trip over each other. I remember that joke Um bugs life had a lot of good ones in the outtakes are really funny These woody's there. There's a lot of love throughout your ts2. It feels weird calling toy story ts Yeah, I'm seeing everybody saying it's their favorite. That makes me happy because I it might be my favorite out of them all I'm not sure I'd have to rewatch them. I just know that four is vile Yeah, four can get out of here It's not allowed in the club get out You're not allowed in. Fuck you I remember uh, do you remember the the opening of toy story two where it was like the Buzz Lightyear video game and ranks can't fucking do his hands are too small So he can't beat it, but then he fights zerg in real life and accidentally knocks him off This is like I did it. I defeated zerg Other Yeah, that's right. No, all right, and then he starts playing catch with zerg. Yeah And then they had the little aliens help from the drive to the airport. I remember the airport Oh, that airport sequence was so cool Fucking do you remember bullseye was a thing like in the fourth one bullseye's just like Fuck, I can't remember. What does bullseye do in the fourth movie? They're like treated like a pile of toys that keep like walking around together Is important where it's all about bow peep, which is weird because like bow peep was not one of the more important She was there. She was there and she was part of it But like mr. Potato had in a pinky and slinky was wait, I know they wanted to do the girl power thing Why not jesse? You like exactly? Like it's bizarre that they would turn bow peep into that Thing instead of just when you had jesse Roll a character who is spunky and like and adventurous Yeah, and she's competent and smart Yeah, we we we know who she is we've had a Well, you know, we've had a movie with her prominently featured Like she is much more suited to what they had bow peep doing Bow peep like tore off her like restrictive porcelain Thing to like create this was that even possible Like she's porcelain. How did she do that? Oh, yeah, bow peep man the legendary character everyone everyone's favorite coming back to be like the fucking other main character in the Fucking movie, but she's more important than buzz for fuck's sake Yeah, more important for buzz More important than buzz. It's like dude. Come on. Like what the buzz is the fucking Like I wouldn't even say that movie so much So surprised by it. What are you doing? Yeah, so remember how at the end it's like to infinity and then like and beyond and there's this happy music and we're just there screaming You know like he chooses to abandon Woody because his fucking voice box is like, yeah, just leave him Yeah, and he like pressed it a bunch of times and he's like no voice box. Really? It's just like yep voice box says you gotta leave him Dude, what happened to you? He became the victim of the desire for jokes. Yep. God, I hate that. That's what gets a lot of characters is that oh We need to have a joke. We got to have some humor. So we're gonna have to undo all your character. Let's grab buzz. I guess The fact that this film By the way, just in case you wanted to get depressed the critical response rotten tomatoes 97 approval rating Yay an average score of 8.3 out of 10 Yeah What the hell Well, yeah, did we cover wasn't it shameless or whatever it was like Toy Story 4 was fucking amazing and all the criticisms of it are wrong Snuck. Oh, yeah. He he really made the disnoid thing take off. Yeah. Yeah. He was the ooh He was disnoid incarnate. You don't have to love everything Disney puts out Fucking hell Remember incredibly what happened to you by yourselves to a brand? I try not to Fringy Yeah, well, it's just because I pulled up on Wikipedia. It's like, oh, yeah incredible. It's too. That's like a thing I was not happy with that either. Yeah, we should cover that at some point because I wasn't happy with it either Yeah, that was um It's it's just you had because of course the problem is it's like one of the big problems is the villain in the first movie awesome Really good Ties in well to like what that movie is about and superheroes is a thing in general Well, what a great idea to have it be that the guy who doesn't have powers Like just goes crazy like developing weapons so that he can be super and then he wants to make sure that nobody's super special anymore There's so many layers and in this one. It's like, oh, you see my dad He relied on superheroes to come help and then they didn't and he died. What a fucking idiot So i'm gonna get rid of superheroes. It's like what the Like what is this? I'm telling you man He has gotten so bad that villain motivations being like well done It's like that's so far down the list of things we need to fix but they really do need to fix them as well Yeah, well, it's they got rid of villain motivations and they just gave them to the protagonists Yeah It wasn't terrible. Yeah, I remember it not being terrible. I just wasn't happy with it Mainly and generally that doesn't bode well. I feel like yeah, it could end up much worse on a rewatch Maybe yeah, I could Very it it is the it is the rarity that things get That surprise us by being better than we thought they were that's generally not what happens Normally, it's things are not just worse, but much worse than what we remember them to be so stuff like Patriot is kind of a go-to We didn't think that would hold up at all We didn't think it'd be good and then it turned out to be actually quite quite good There was lots to talk about what we thought was good enough. Yeah Patriots one of those awkward ones because everybody hates it But then you're like, oh, there's a lot of really good stuff here Yeah, and that that one surprised me rolling emrick like those things If you strip away the the places and the names and replace them with like fantasy names or whatever and places I feel like it's much easier to judge that film as a story for people I get it. I remember like why people find it so frustrating. Yeah But I think I was just surprised because it's just like a good conventional story. Just nice straightforward We've got our heroes now villains I do have a soft spot for how villainous jason isaac's plays He's just like yeah for you as well I don't know. Maybe I'm just bitter that he didn't get more things to do in mainstream stuff He's a good actor Yeah, yeah Watch awake everyone That was a cool show Uh mark hamill likely said too much about tlj and they shut him up by threatening to sue probably could have sued anyway But would have looked bad I don't I never want to like Say that that's definitely the case or anything like but You know like he probably he had to have been talked to by someone someone must have been like, dude Like do you really think this is helping right now? I could see like a director or whatever even ryan johnson sending a message on fucking twitter being like so Like I get that you have your feelings and stuff, but can you see what this is doing? Like you're rallying people to fucking send this horrible messages to myself and kelly marie tranne and stuff probably something like that Like can you maybe just say like yeah, you you know everyone likes and dislikes stuff There's something more generic than fuck this movie. Please Um as for whether or not they threatened to sue him. I feel like that's just could you imagine that? Like and it became public my camel for saying what he thought that would not look good for them That's the thing they might like be successful in the court or whatever, but like They almost nothing would be yeah, because probably part of his contrary People would hold that against him for a long time. Yeah, of course as they should You should do something for a she-man because the defenses for it are the same as tlj and captain marvel Didn't know I cared about he-man till I saw it does thing. I know fuck all about he-man uh I I don't like to try and be like I If someone was to you know, give me a little quick rundown of maybe something someone said about whatever It's like I could comment on it, but I doubt that we're gonna Like do an episode Looking at the defenses for the show and one Not seeing the original two not seeing the new one and three don't really have the passion for it I'm assuming you guys are on a similar page Yeah, just not. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I just I like Skeletor's meme. Yeah Skeletor's great. Oh You know what we could do The he-man uh, the master. Sorry. It wasn't called he-man the masters of the universe movie from like the Oh Dolph Lundgren Yeah, yeah, I mean we should watch that. I bet that would be great for you that movie Um, I know the guy I can't remember the name of the guy who plays Skeletor in that But I don't think he does the Skeletor voice which is such a shame Oh, there's a lot of things in that movie that are just a shame Just a shame Uh, what's sad is I would rather have Thanos from endgame than whatever kang is because at least Thanos does things to try and prevent the avengers from ruining everything he's done But kang literally doesn't care Well that kang doesn't care Um the monarch is better than oh, I love the monarch the monarch is one of my favorite villains Look venture bros has amazing characters. Dr. Henry Killinger is one of my favorite Govillians I go venture bros is great Also, I'll be right back All I know about Henry Kissinger is from the simpsons where he's like I can't what was the joke? It was something drops his glasses or a mr. Burns Oh, yeah, he lost his glasses in the toilet like they can't know not die the man who created the paris peace accords And then he just sits there silently looking at mr. Burns. They closed the door on him It's such a fucking bizarre joke, but I love it And then the well and that was that was preceded by the thing where home is like he found the glasses What was it there? Oh, I need the full quote was like something like the square root of the Angles of the like of the right angle of an isosceles triangle is equal to the square root of the romantic sides It's like that's a right triangle you idiot Just some dude in the toilet The fact that home tries to be smart. He still gets it wrong. It's like Really good. That's a joke. There's just some guy listening to Now I'm just thinking about heaps of jokes Do you remember the the nuclear inspectors and how like he They put harbor in the simulator and it starts rumbling. It's like no this can't be happening Sixth the ground he crawls out like must destroy Well, yeah, the the the way they do the dialogue where he's just like I don't understand how this happened. There's no nuclear material on the truck and the interrupts simply Now you can you can have this or you can have what's in the box the box the box Oh, now I'm just thinking about oh, and there was a joke We skipped the joke where on mr. Burns opens the escape pod For the love of god, sir. There are two seats. I like to put my feet up Just crashes immediately I feel like that's peak simpsons. It's like 20 jokes in a minute There's a uh, there's a meme for red light media where wherever anything comes up Mike will compare it in some way or reference Star Trek And like they've already made memes about how I do that with buffy and you do that with simpsons Yeah, well Simpsons is just there's so many References Well, funny thing is like I watched the simpsons the fuck out of it. No, you know, buffy fully as well So it's just like, yeah, it's kind of gonna bounce off each other with that too Look, this is what you get at nine hours and 38 minutes of an e-fap episode. Okay Yeah, you start defaulting to your base memories. That's what we learned in the father My base memories are clearly the simpsons. Yep Just the amount of jokes crammed into one minute. It's like again if if not all of them land even though all of them land for me it's like Some of them have to they have to land It's like that's such an accomplishment like in terms of comedic writing Um, but yeah about the uh, just the the Kang Thanos thing the new Kang we get will probably be fully motivated to take over the world So don't worry in that regard But I mean we'll have to see what they do. I'm just I'm not particularly excited. That's all Thoughts on Metal Gear Solid 2 bait and switch with Raiden or Raiden, right? Versus the more recent ones. I feel MGS 2 is different because it's served a purpose narratively and thematically Well, that's an interesting one, right because there was the tanker trap to which was like what people thought the whole game was but it's not Um and and also Raiden's not on the box art. I'm pretty sure it's still snake, but like Raiden is Why am I saying Raiden? It's Raiden Raiden is Mortal Kombat Raiden is the protagonist. So Hmm I'm not sure the problem is that people say it was purposeful But I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people who still like don't like that game I thought that three was the one that everybody like agrees is great one and three And and two and four are the controversial ones I guess the problem what what was the point in Metal Gear Solid 2 wasn't the whole point of subversion Like wasn't that explicitly the point was like you were expecting your action hero, but we've got this guy instead um I don't know Did you please wish hex well they finally taking steps towards receiving some crucial mental And emotional help and some efab love would be amazing Yeah, absolutely I guess I guess hex is the their screen name or whatever, but Yes, absolutely Get well soon as much as that's generic This is a response for like crucial mental and emotional help But yeah, you know anything in on the path to betterment Good shit. You know look out yourself. Do good. Hope you're okay. Uh, mr. Slash miss hex Uh high long man and friends. I'm about to get some sleep before cooking chili for friends tomorrow What do you think of spicy food? Uh like it i'm a big fan big spice is an important part of uh making dish interesting nice important part of life Spice it up Uh invincible is overrated the last two episodes have a lot of tism with that being said It's way better than most stuff we get now don't watch it. Oh my god It's way better, but don't watch it ham. What does that even mean? You know? It is way better. Fuck it Uh, what does the tv? I have a robot checker if everything is preset. They'd obviously know it wasn't a robot before that I don't know man. I really don't know don't ask these questions. It's not worth it What is the point of any of the parts of the tv? I was like, this is everything you said. Please sign it. Why? Sign that I have said things I've like what? Why and then yeah The um getting them into the jumpsuit just to vaporize them. Okay Why not just vaporize them? Melt away Uh, why doesn't the tv? I know that sylvie was going to escape kang apparently should know and if he knew Uh, they were also the logic of the show is that kang wanted that to happen. Yeah Yeah, it's all in kang's plan. He works in mysterious ways. Yeah kang's a weirdo Yeah that kang Bragg's figgy made thanus's snap smoothbrained. Why? Because he's not a good storyteller He's a good businessman He is a very good businessman, but his storytelling skills Bring any thoughts on traditional genital mutilation in central africa I already asked him about cock and ball torture. Yeah, it's silent Do we say silence approval? I can't remember I think so. No, no, then I I have no comment on it Bad bad like that's there. That's the commentary bad stop it Uh, hey cast have you seen or read any of the red wall series by brian jock? Yes, I was pronounced. Uh, love them to this day books are amazing and the show is a great too I have no idea what that is great Do you mean you guys don't red wall? I've heard of red wall Um, just a second. Uh, let me see if I Red wall Is that the one? uh Okay, all right, um I have not read red wall. I was confusing that for a moment with The urchin of the writing stars. I think, um The mist mantle chronicles, which is also a actually fairly, uh I guess Hardish core not really but a a a young adult Kind of anthropomorphic animal cast kind of thing similar to red wall And I remember liking it a fair amount I never read the rest of them, but I never read red wall itself All right. Yeah, I don't know anything about it Here's your answer Thoughts on the 1990s tmnt movie Teenage Mutant Ninja I'm not seeing them. I like the vanilla ice uh cameo though I haven't seen that nor but I'm pretty sure this is all plastic Did AVG hand review those? I think when you do like a crossover He might have Styliger I think that's the only manner in which I have seen them So, yeah Maybe we'll do an arc for that. Who knows Remake road to eldorado. Oh god. What would they do to shell make her a gay man to dab on the male gays? Superman post next snap yell intensify I don't I don't think that there is any world action. It's funny. We're worried about them remaking of it I kind of don't think there's any world where they remake that film Like you you got to get past the big thing of the white guys who you know We're part of their society that conquered this world being the heroes like that's probably not just change. Well Um with a Spanish like the whole idea is they come from Spain to go to eldorado In search of gold. So I don't see how you could change it Don't see how they change it Well, I don't talk about the whole the whole point is that they'd come from europe to find this city They're like from europe coming. So I let me tell you about a character called cruella Now that's that's that's true, but I don't yeah, I don't think they would I don't think they would do it I think they just rather not and plus all the other baggage as well Um, and also i'm not sure if there was enough demand for it for them to want to do it Um So I guess they're safe in that road to eldorado. Yeah, I don't think that I don't think they Oh a sequel maybe if it was somewhere else like but I don't see them remaking the first one. It feels like that would not Be okay, like or people wouldn't consider it to be okay Uh, yeah, I feel like now obviously this isn't a reason in modern day But the story is it's finished. It's it's it's good where they left off. It's good Yeah, I mean, I don't think I'd be against a sequel to a different place like the road to some other city Road to machu Picchu the road to the road to the road to Mars The road to uh, what was the uncharted three? Um iraam of the road to mesa verde Yeah, I could I'd be okay with that. I I do like the idea of seeing those characters again But it also feels like it was a different time that doesn't exist anymore and Almost like I would have preferred those movies to come out road the whales. Oh the road to whales. Yeah to valleys um Kevin Smith blocked his channel his live stream tonight. He did it to block the trolls his supporters outnumber the trolls But you can never be too careful Well, it's really awkward, isn't it? Yeah those darn trolls Those blasted trolls They're probably rushing too. That's what makes it even worse The wrong man and crew Just wanted to stop in and say hello currently still catching up on 102. Love you boys and high rags. Stay long Oh, thank you. I shall Oh, yes, we all shall It's hard though. Hmm. You can't do the road to roads. That's too similar to the road to Rhode Island which already exists So I wanted to how about we do let's do a um The road to berlin set 1945 I mean again, I hate to break it see rags, but they already did that in family guy What why would the world war two? They did the road to berlin where they go back in time with more to uh to pollin in 1939 All right. Well, I think ours will probably be a little bit different well Yeah, I guess it would be different. I'm just saying like, you know, this is something that already exists kind of I'm sure the simpsons has done it anyway Well, yeah south bark pointed out Bars goes to berlin in 1945 like well, you know what? This is a storyline we thought would work. Yeah Um was uncharted three shambhala and charted two was shambhala uncharted three was um Was uh was iram of the pillards and uncharted four was libertalia and number one was eldorado, which They they made it a statue The eldorado was a gold statue that had a curse That turned all the spaniards and the nazis into weird monsters Oh, what do you think that's way and you're it's basically the same. No, I was correct. I like them gay Turn the fabulous It reminds me of the hand of mitis from Aladdin three prince of thieves Maybe it's uh the the problem is like I I actually don't know a lot about I'm lost lost cities. So I only know a lot of the basic ones like atlantis eldorado And I'll you know, not not the other more obscure ones There was the hand of mitis and tomb raider gold as well And what was uh, what was it tomb raider had a bunch of them. Yeah wasn't the first one was atlantis wasn't it or And the tomb raider gold the final level was in atlantis Yeah, right And then there was Yeah, you would go to some cool Tomb raider because I played uh, I played in beat golden tomb raider two both of those and they they have some really cool locales floating jade islands and underground chinese catacombs Mayan ruins Egyptian themed levels All kinds of really nifty locations the wreck of the uh, maria doria Lots of those are underexplored in uh in in video games And feudal japan. I remember that was a big thing. They wanted assassins creed in japan I would have been fully on board with that and then they missed the window And then go some sushi and a can along and just did that anyway They could make a the road to south korea Yeah, I guess I guess that's always an option Yeah, don't you know don't leave anything out the road to tokyo s o s It's 2 25 a.m. In uk land just let me sleep ma'am That was apparently tuned off. That was a while ago. Yeah The atlantis were weird flesh monsters. That's correct. It was an interesting take on atlantis certainly Uh, but that was indeed. Yeah tomb raider gold. They got they got really you they definitely did a good job at giving you final level vibes and tomb raider gold You were um You were definitely you knew that you were starting to get to like, okay. This is we're getting they're getting crazy here Because tomb raider twos final level uh was um You you you fought the the the dragon well that technically it was you were back at your house and you had to fight the home invaders Uh, but that that's that that was technically the final level, but that was almost like an epilogue All right The ride to australia. Yeah, that could wow. I guess it would be the sea to australia the sea half or something The sea you'll grow the film is about building a road across the sea I remember I'm the under the underground the road to the underground railroad I'm sensing a theme of your suggestions, right Yeah, they're all these sinister ones where we're just trying to have fun with like the road to dock how It's easy it fits right in Uh, what was it? I I remember there was a time enough like when I was a kid and what why don't they build a bridge from melbourne to uh to taz mania Uh, not realizing that that was about 200 kilometers apart That's no excuse you can still do it You yeah, you could it would be like the most expensive infrastructure projectable time to serve as a very small population Uh, I think you're worth it Well, I mean It means nothing to me like I don't like taz mania. So Your passing interest makes it enough Well, yeah, I guess there's that taz mania is a strange land where the drivers are just worse And there are a lot of cool animals roaming around I like when to try and eat the mushroom and it like pulled me off the mushroom Like the small emotion and now Like it yanked me off Yeah, but I don't I don't know if that was a glitch or if that's like a punishment The road to mcdonald's like let's go get mcdonald's and then they play the dramatic music you get your current drives with donald's That was not eventful Um, movibob isn't just fat his fat is also hat Oh my god I guess that's that's horrific Well, I mean maybe it benefits you in a hot sun He can like scrunch up his fat and fold it over his head to protect him from his son You know what it might provide some benefits and certain scenarios like he's gonna he could like take his belt and tie it Sort of to secure it around his Oh my Don't what are you doing? Why don't draw that everybody's we definitely don't want to see that You know what I think that the opposite is gonna happen now Good job Uh, that'll probably kill that'll probably kill anyone who tries to it's like the funniest joke That's like that but with art if anyone who tries to complete that drawing it's cursed and it will kill the artist It's like right before you finish it. You have a heart attack A team of many many artists have to each complete individual components of it That must be assembled Being clever was made illegal a few years ago. Stop being clever lol Illegal rags mo is better than arc Mo is better than arc Yeah, I don't know what mo is Mo is better than arc monster online Modus operandi is better than Anti Um, or calcatory Condimentary, I I don't Mo well arc could be the game arc But mo a arc a Yeah, you know the one that um Mo Something online, maybe more massive orange suggested by chat could be Mommy our state names Is it arc? Oh Missouri is better than arc You should have said ar versus yeah ar mo. Yeah ar is arkansas mo is Missouri But no, well, I mean this feels like a biased question. You're gonna have a preference for your own state Yeah, I've I've been to Missouri at the fair number of times, but I I do you know, yeah Missouri ranks like dead last in terms of all educational like metrics and basically than like wealth metrics You know what once you get down to the 48th and so I don't know if it really matters that much So, uh, we're all right. You're all right. Yeah, we're all kind of yeah, we're all pretty um Yeah, we are we're we're people of the we're people of the earth Well, Virginia is number one right in terms of income like the richest state is virginia Which I guess makes sense. I've enjoyed my trip to virginia to technically I went through it once and we All right I like that somebody said that's Louisiana and then the subsequent one that's mississippi I guess you're just proving rags as point, right? There's like Yeah, once you get I mean, it's just yeah the bottom like five and it's just it's just all we we all get along We have one of the mistakes is down there Let's see the missus. We don't need no We don't need them. They're fancy states make an IQ number Instance about us. All right. We're good honest hard work and god fear and folk down over here Right, and if it wasn't for us, they'd they'd gone done and starve it. Well, weren't for us My god, so there you go. Yes No, wait They would have starved if it weren't for like kansas and Nebraska, right not not you guys Or we are the number one. We're we're the number one rice producer and we we are an extremely agriculturally heavy state We are number one in the the Great Plains Or is or is our concern stopped part of the Great Plains region technically I don't think so, but we're definitely in just the middle part where we grow all the food that all those hippie liberal types eat In the cities and stuff Man driving to and from south dakota Man, if you like farms, whoa, let me recommend you a road trip because boy I I saw so much fucking corn I just I could taste it corn corn corn Corn corn for miles and miles nothing but corn and corn Just so much Fucking corn. You wouldn't believe how much corn lots of corn Lots of wheat Yeah, lots of corn in Nebraska and kansas lots of wheat lots of barley All kinds of stuff out. It's just So much open space Is california self-sufficient in terms of food or not? Oh, I don't Well, that's what i'm saying is like I actually find that interesting because like i'm pretty sure california could just like outright be self-sufficient In like a lot of ways every shits on california, but it's got like a highly productive economy as well as a lot of access to resources by the sounds of it I think I think that if they that's the google search I don't think they are but they probably have the for starters sheer fucking space In order to be super self-sufficient Um, but they're not I don't think they're they're probably not set up to be but they could like if all of the states Like just decided we're all independent nations now That's oh, no apparently people are saying people are saying they don't have water But then there are people saying they have a lot of agriculture. Oh They're downstream they rely on others for water okay Fucking I don't know I I guess it's just because that's like because we all we all like make fun of california But they're i'm pretty sure aren't they like if they were a sovereign state They'd be the fifth most economically productive state in in the world But for how long california Because i'm because i think they could in terms of food production and stuff. I think california would be a okay Apparently that problem is that'd be the thing. Yeah, I don't know if I have much faith in Californians to just like survive as a society together You're acting Well, I mean, well, I think the problem is we keep thinking about california is just la and san francisco But like what about all of the other places? No, I know it's massive. It's it's got like 50 million people, right? It's it's it's a huge state I guess We all think about la and like san francisco, but what about it's like how people think new york is just new york city Right, which it mostly is in terms of like the population But there's also like albany and and and utica, which I only know about utica because of the simpsons Again Yeah, um, and in fact, I'm pretty sure I only know about albany because of that one too um People are saying sacramento Is yeah, maybe I guess it's on there other places as well. They're like san diego All I know about san diego is there was a guy who was there who walked around naked And then there was a guy who stole a tank from the national guard and drove it around as you do Well, he was he was on uh, he was addicted to heroin or something that was it wasn't a heroin fuel thing that he he stuck on I think that was another counter-ancular mad lad thing whereas the dude was high on lsd and he snuck into a um national guard armory and yeah meth and He got into a tank And the keys either it didn't have keys or the keys were in it Um, and he could just start it up and then he drove out and apparently a god saw him do this But by this point he was already in the tank, so he ran off Because naturally what is his plan against a tank? um But yeah, that's uh texas would be self-sufficient Well, because texas probably has a lot of agriculture and it's got oil. Yeah, they've got a lot of oil And I think they have a really good power grid. That's like a self-sufficient sort of power grid Well, wasn't that the problem though during uh earlier in the year when there was that power issue where like texas was cut off From the rest of the grid and so I don't I don't know enough about it for in the reason Yeah, yeah, I don't know because I don't know if it like they were trying something or if they did something different or I'm not sure enough of it, but I think texas in terms of um I probably I think I have I think texas has a lot of oil Well, I think they have their own independent is old reserves Well, I would say the big thing that we're forgetting right is that texas has a mixed economy So it's it's more balanced. Yeah, they got And they got super big urban areas and they got a lot. So another thing too texas has a lot of space texas is big So you've got a lot of room to work with Texas is big, but it is still less sparsely populated than huge swaths of this australian state. That's true, but Having having space is going to be important if you're well. Well, here's something interesting This might be a little tidbit that you're not aware of There is a state in australia called western australia, which is the big mining one They have there was a time when they wanted to secede from australia and become an independent state um, that didn't happen Which is good for us because we profit off of that But uh, yeah It's just crazy that that seems to be a thing Just like you have these big states that are like kind of far away Or they're offering their own little place and I want to be uh, nice and independent Also, it's becoming the new silicon valley. Well, that's true because a lot of people in california are moving to texas now So, uh, isn't texas a desert? Do you want to ask? Nope A what sir? Someone asks isn't texas a desert? No parts of texas are Like south like san Antonio and all the way down there and stuff. It's certainly there it is desert tea Like it's basically mexico But it's not like It's not desert in the sense of there's nothing you could do there and besides there's still Again a lot of space up to so northern texas is one of those really boring drives where it's just cows and wind lines and just fields um You get a lot of that and so driving to and from albuquerque, which is something we have to do oddly enough um So albuquerque and little rock are basically identical in terms of their latitude But we are a a a very lush vegetative not vegetative um green you know temperate zone and albuquerque's desert So it's interesting. It's just it's just the uh the nature of um weather Yeah, I Climb it. Yeah, it just changes but you just just moving left to right and it changes radically Yeah, Arizona. It's just like an alien planet well, yeah, I uh Man like Arizona feels like the the place I would never move ever which is kind of Well, I've heard that phoenix is like a nice city. Um, but my god, I can't deal with that like I don't I don't want to live in a desert I I already know what it's like when it's really hot and it's awful. I hate it My only issue with the uh with the desert climate Is that my nose gets dry the inside of my nose gets dry, but other than that, man, I'm That's nothing that a little getting used to it and some chapstick I've lived here my whole life and I don't get used to this peak when it gets really hot. It's like hell I'm getting used to it anytime soon It goes It does it goes away by the end, but for the first while I'm up. I'm there. I get a I get a dry nose I went to I went on a trip like cans which is Way up north in Queensland tropical and I remember distinctly getting off the plane And like my thongs were sticking to my feet because of how humid it was. It was it was like That I that was my first time in the tropical area and it was crazy Like concerning chapstick in his nose confirmed it will help if you have so Vaseline petroleum jelly Um is very it's it's amazing. Everyone should have it. It's super useful Um use it as chapstick use it as lubricant use it as um Like like on the inside of your nose if you have a really dry nose Which some people get dry noses if it's too cold or things like that You can put a little bit just a little bit on the inside of your nose and it Takes care of it and it's so much smelling. You don't even really notice it I see that we've just had a a bit of a language flume here. So thongs in australia are what you guys call flip-flops. They are like sandals Oh bongs over here are um, no, not clothing. Oh thongs. Oh, yeah So, yeah, so thong style sandals Are yeah, but when you say just thong here if people refer to the skimpy undies Yeah, whereas you're talking about sandal flip-flops basically thong sandals Yeah, like they'll they'll be marketed like that but always with the the sandals thing on it Not over here. They're just thongs is what they called So what do you call the little penties? um I don't know that they they might actually just Hey, if it's if it's too small you're gonna get a lot of flipping That's what they should call bras is flip-flops Oh, no, I know I know I know what the germans call them the germans call them. They're stopping from floppin So, uh, that's what they're stopping from flipping Team cold superior to team hot. Yeah Like cold. That's that's that's that's what I prefer Which is funny, bring me you a pack as fan A what a pack is fan I don't I don't know what that is. Is that he's not a cheesehead Green doesn't do do teams. Okay. He's his own own bro And his own island gonna win this goo This by the way, this is part two of three of the one super chat that started with the the Missouri's better than arkansas thing The third part is moley y'all should get drunk and watch wizards by that one crazy dude. Have a good night Oh ralph back. She I love that movie. That's a great that that is a that's a great movie There's a good chance. We'll do a ralph back. She awk at some point probably I say this like like we do oxles. I'm just like guys, you don't stand you have to be around for a while We will be doing lots of ox Lots I'd I'd do wizards again. That movie is a fucking trip Uh, moley, please look up images of the brotherhood of essential workers The brotherhood of essential workers Check it out. That's I guess their icon Out of familiar Oh my goodness gracious We do essential work here any fat Oh like going back and forth it fucking kills the Feed all right. Give me a sec. I'll beat shadow maria and then I can put it back up Um, there used to be a new halloween or christmas question. I propose goo versus snow Well, you know when I was enjoying it depends on the answers we start getting but the uh tiger versus bear one Of which by the way, there are there was some lengthy fucking comments about that discussion. They're all very civil Um, okay, great, but they from what I was reading the conclusion is the bear is so fucking tough That it's gonna be really hard for the tiger to get the kill shot compared to the bear getting a kill shot Yeah, I mean you might be right. I think of one. We could do we could come up with the new christmas halloween Sort of thing I do too, but I I I feel like it's out of season Oh But um, but yeah, I'm I'm down for a new like I'm down with rotating a question every You know x amount of time, you know, uh You know a thong sandal thing or uh, or who knows uh Yeah, I would want to recommend people some people check out the the comments on that Was there any found many that that conversation happened on because it's the I feel bad that people put like there's some essays with like Citations and stuff and I'm just that's great. That's awesome. Yeah, that's so cool. That's awesome Yeah, because they were like just trying to make up for anything that was missed sort of thing And I was uh, I was just like man so much effort. I mean it's such a casual conversation that came up What an interesting one Well, I mean if if if the uh if the citations and stuff are leaning to the bear Obviously winning it might be worthwhile to pick a different matchup So they actually mentioned something that they thought was unfair was that we never specified It should have been the kodiak bear, which is apparently the best pick for bears that isn't the polar bear Oh, okay In that region, I think they were saying that we shouldn't have gone with grizzly. We should have gone with kodiak And the the like I said, I think the the conclusion They were saying like of all the bites that the tiger could deliver a lot of it's going to be It's going to have to chunk through a lot of fat to be able to deal significant damage Meanwhile, a lot of the hits to the tiger are going to go straight into tendons and muscle Do we need to do something like an octopus versus, um A sparrow or just something weird? It could be such a giant squid versus a red white, uh, not a red white shark A great white shark Red white shark That might be because I'm pretty sure that um, I'm pretty sure giant squids. Oh, no a giant squid versus a what about a Oh, no, the problem is I was about to say orcas, but like orcas beat everything Maybe just in our versus in the orca does the kodiak greater than grizzly really? And so I'm just going from what was said on there that apparently I should we should have gone with a kodiak bear Because it's bookier than the other grizzly. That's the I'm just repeating what I saw. I don't know shit about bears Giant squid versus sperm. Well, that might be the matchup. Yeah Because those two fight each other Godzilla versus Kong We already all agree that Godzilla wins, right? Godzilla clearly wins. These two were not on the same power It's like saying the Star Wars versus Warhammer. It's like these are just clearly not meant to match up against each other Yeah Yeah It's like why you What kind of matchup is that that's so unfair I I I kind of liked our our bear versus like the hundred midgets and then we just tried to find the break point where Was the closest matchup by giving them some weaponry, baby Yeah, how how how many midgets do you need to take on a bear and you know, do they get weapons? You know, what about if they had knives? How many midgets? Sometimes I do wonder like being a fan of beef haven't you listened to that for hours. It's like, what is happening? Like people putting money on it and stuff We need to get with there are surely YouTubers who are Like zoologists and experts in these kinds of things that we could maybe get as guests sometime Did you just take a quick little spot on the eFap to be like, hey, you know if if we gave 37 midgets kitchen knives, would they be able to kill a kodiak bear? Like what what do you think, you know, it was like, oh, you know, can a bear Can is there any like weak point for it to get stabbed or is it the fat? And it's like, yeah, I want these are things we need to know I gotta imagine that a bear would be pretty freaked out seeing 37 midgets running at it with a giant Yeah, the sheer cycle That was an ecological wolf Yeah, if I had a gun I don't I couldn't get 37 I mean there'd still be a fair amount left after I was done with my bullets. I mean, that's uh Then again, it might we might just be missed. It might be like in uh in in the return of the king when the elephants come in Yes And the bear just sliced the boy the dramatic music cuts out Although is it a shot of the kitchen knives all falling to the ground as they are irrelevant Hi rags. Hello I'm all hello. Oh, you're free Hey yesterday my baby now if you got stung by a wasp, huh? We changed our plans for the day therefore if you wouldn't have been stung he would have been melted. Yeah, think of it as a plus Yeah, he avoided death horrific death Think of all the babies who just get plopped onto that planet and just get devoured Entire civil yeah, I just I don't I can't believe That it two lokeys were able to bullshit their way into winning just like that And if you dumped entire universes and civilizations that they couldn't deal with it Like don't tell me that if you dumped asgard on that planet They just wouldn't be able to deal with this big fart cloud. Well, yeah, they hide underground. It's like there should be shit tons of people here There should be a society of people And why does the ground stop it? It should be like this ethereal creed. Why is it a planet? Why don't you just get dumped into the vacuum of space where it consumes you? Yeah, how come how come the fart monster thingy? It isn't all the red shit from the rise of skywalker That's what it should be. You just appear in the vacuum of space and it consumes you almost instantly You shouldn't have a chance We can touch it mind control it Does it die when they mind control it? I guess it does She gives it the possession move and then it just gets out of the way is what we're supposed to believe I think Oh, so does it eat still eat people? What if it gets hungry? Does it just die of starvation? I don't know I guess we hope so Like how does it metabolize the souls of the things it eats? Shut up smoke monster was cool It wasn't cool. No, it wasn't cool. Um Let me saying you guys are wrong be a lesson on why you shouldn't press enter prematurely Entertaining as always you dudes keep on keeping on Oh He's the one who said you guys are wrong. I remember Uh, when is the eFap dnd game happening you guys versus the gay? The gay is that gonna be the villain? The piece is just a creature called the gay. Am I dead? There's nothing I can do if I'm here Oh You gotta kill yourself. Why would they put this little platform here if I can't do anything on it? That's a little bit lame Poor mario. It's not going to be a pleasant death either. It's going to be uh, slow and painful well No point in delaying it A lot of death is slow and painful, right? It doesn't like instantly. I guess it depends on the plot. It hurts, right? Yeah, and just how hot I guess Well lava has to be a certain minimum temperature, right? Yeah, um It's like active and stuff Let's see how hot is lava How hot don't don't move on I need to depend on don't move. Oh, right. Okay Make maybe it will depend. So apparently. Oh god. It's way hotter than about 1250 degrees Celsius So using that would hurt mario. Yes Um, yeah, you know it hurt a little bit Um, yeah, so so literally the first question people also ask does lava kill you instantly? um No, but it probably kills you pretty quick Well, listen to this Dipping your hand in molten rock won't kill you instantly, but it will give you severe painful burns Oh, uh the time that destroy nerve endings and boil subcutaneous fats um Oh now falling into lava is another story. Let's see. Oh no, uh That's magma. Um I thought magma and lava were like the idea was that magma is when it's underground and then lava is when it bursts onto the surface That's I thought that was the only distinction. That's what I thought it was. I'm not a So this is what it says Falling into lava is another story the extreme heat would probably burn your lungs and cause your organs to fail The water in the body would probably boil to steam all while the lava is melting the body from the outside in Um, but unlike the characters in volcano or golem in lord of the rings You wouldn't sink into the lava and liquefy like the wicked witch of the west Lava may look like a liquid, but it's not like water. It's too sticky and viscous So you'd be sitting on top of the lava flow Really? You wouldn't sink you just I had no idea. I did. I would not have thought that it's rock. It's it's molten rock Oh No, okay. I don't know. I don't know enough about chemistry to tell you what the just But yeah, I guess it's the thickness of it Viscosity of liquid is really so Viscous is it a matter of how dense you are? I guess I guess it's too dense. Yeah, somebody just said it's too dense I'm glad I remember that because the only reason I remember density is because I know satin is less dense than uh The ocean like if if there was an ocean that was the size of satin that would float on it Which is super neat. Oh Saturn. Oh, I thought you had satin s a I thought you were saying s a t i n satin And I'm like that's really odd an odd fun fact Yeah It's like I was going to decipher this in my head Yeah, because it's still rock is what people there's there seems to be the thing it's it's molten for sure that it's rock Is lava wet? Well, it sounds like the answer is no Yeah, I wouldn't have thought so Yeah, um, so let's see Um It looks like Um, so water has a viscosity of about one. I guess cp is Their their measurement for viscosity. So water is has a viscosity of one and it says here that what lava can range in viscosity, but Um, there are extremely viscous lavas that are 10 to the eight power cps Uh, I intend to the 11th power for another kind. So way more viscous than lava Holy crap. Yeah, that's uh, yeah, so if water is one it is much more viscous Give me the mushroom I don't even need it. I mean I want it. Can you can you walk on? I've seen as long as you could bear the heat. Yes Yeah, I mean that has to be the case, right? If you can float on it, you must be able to walk on it Maybe jesus walked on lava, which would be more impressive than walking on water Would it? Uh, no, actually, you know what I revise that. Yeah. Well, it'd be impressive in a different way Yeah, it would be different. Yeah, it would be like you'd have to use a different power Like if you're immune to heat anyone could walk across lava, but what superpower lets you Walk on water is like well, I guess That that Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, the power to walk on water Maybe if you maybe if you had shoes that were shaped like boats For the water you were saying or for the lava because the lava one you just gonna need Well, actually, I mean and doesn't also heat up Yeah, I think if you just make shoes that are shaped like boats Then logically it follows that that will allow you to walk across the surface of the water Now this has just reminded me of something. I remember when I was a kid I saw a thing. It was like a it was like a world record show Um, something like that and I remember watching and it was a dude who got the world record for holding The hottest liquid in his mouth for the longest amount of time Um, it's very specific record. I know it's a very I know maybe that's why I remember it so well Um, but it was something it was some incredibly hot liquid He put it in his mouth for like eight or nine seconds And when he spat it out it burned through the table And my immediate thought is how did it not burn through your whole mouth? How did you do this? Did he swallow something? Ahead of time, I don't think he would have been allowed to I think the record was Do you want to base that on by the way? Uh um No, no, I'm blanking what he swallows all the candle wax before he Oh, yeah, that's right. And then he eats all the the those were hot in terms of spicy. This is just like the hot hot Like boy like incredible coating your mouth and candle wax might Like make you slightly more resistant to higher temperatures temporarily, right? I'm business off fucking cartoon logic, but Mike, um, isn't that just acid? I I can't the problem is that I don't all I have are like flashes. I can't remember exactly what it was I just remember burning whatever it landed on which just highlighted just how hot it was Bowser is bathing and freeing his goo. That's not my goo You know a fend for me just because it's green Just because it's green doesn't mean that's mine Okay, lead and frost effect Wow first try I think dominated by house's bath Wait, was there someone else who were reading now? No, it seems to be a thing that is um some sort of effect where liquid levitates And that's something that is like on frying pans where the liquid levitates off So apparently you can touch liquid nitrogen because well Some something to do with that effect All right Uh I'm doing mushrooms for the first time and I love the sound of you guys's voices Yummy, what now? That was a good answer actually to that Hold on rank. Oh, oh, uh, you bet any time more you said f me about something on stream to which Fringy followed with an enthusiastic. Yes about something else. I assume just funny timing. Yes Was it funny timing or was it deliberate? Fringy mohler needs some medicine for all for all for his autism Is that like the old father? autism Here's a bit of trivia for you The word chungus was invented by Jim sterling on the destructoid podcast pod toyed episode 209 back in July 2012 Oh my god I wonder if there was any uh, there must have been some other uses of the word chungus before then but that was probably an earlier one Dr. Frogman, I have contracted balls above wang and now it burns when I pee please help Um, so that's not my specialty. You need to go to a you need to go to a specific a peen doc Yeah, uh, yes. Yeah Um, also thoughts on rumors obi-wan show about kid princess lair I honestly, I think that's confirmed now, right? Like that that character is in it Like oh, yeah, I just don't think it's gonna be a good show. I like If you know if you told me it's only about obi-wan is only gonna be on tatooine. I'd still not trust him. You're like, mmm I'm gonna fuck it up. Yeah What are you gonna do? Been catching up with the stream reminded that the tv are most more easily killed than the neo viper troops in 2005 gi joe movie who are bulletproof and feel no pain one is even set on fire and keeps fighting Well, yeah, I mean the tv are a hell of a lot worse than that They're they're worse than the average human being that has a gun Like they just they're just terrible I don't know what they were thinking. Um, moly a gay. Yeah Mm-hmm I'm going to the store. Anybody want anything Yes Tortilla chips got a craving not gonna lie. All right for whatever reason tortilla chips and salsa right now That would be that'd be really great if I had some of that handy for whatever reason. I am just really wanting me some Some oh that that sounds great right now None of vista who played kira on ds9 said on a panel in 2001 that she liked playing Kira because she was so flawed Oh how the times have flipped Yeah, I imagine playing a flawed character. What a loser Seriously, it's uh, it's becoming a rarity as fuck. Well, and you know what? It's like we'll give you a flaw other than they make them commit genocide We're like no no no no no no no Stop no no no dial back. Please stop We have you have a flaw. She's too She committed genocide Oh, my God. Yeah, they don't even recognize. Yeah. I used to hate super chats catch up, but I got to like it because the many neat, funny conversations. Thank you, Molo. Thank you, Fringy. Thank you, Rags. You bet. I'm glad you're liking it. Yeah. I like to think they're very fun. They're very chill. If you mess up, do we get melted? I think so. We get anything wrong. You guys going down. Sorry about that. Yeah, I like the fact that it's like everybody suffers because of, you know, you make a mistake that isn't even a mistake because you had no concept that it was possible that you could make a mistake and everybody, you know, dies a horrible death, including you. Fringy, stop Disney. Never. Fringy, snap. Yeah. Just like Man of Steel. He's got to do it. Tell that to Disney snap neck. There's written by soon to be director. Famous director. Christopher Stuck. Christopher Stuck. Christopher Stuck. You know, you've shown it to man, Christopher Man. That sounds like much more of a fucking director name than Christopher Stuckman. A director name than Stuckman. Yeah. Dude, I wouldn't be surprised if he makes them call him Christopher when he gets to be a director. Oh, nah, no, no. No, he wouldn't. If we live in a post Zack Snyder world, which means that Zack is a totally appropriate name. And if that's the case, then so is Chris. Well, it should be a totally appropriate name. Yeah, I'm suggesting that he'll want the prestige. Like Christopher because it wasn't Stan Kubrick. It was Stanley Kubrick. It's not Steve Spielberg. It's Steven Spielberg. But maybe that's just because they went by Steven and not Steve. Well, I yeah, I mean, I just I wonder if that's almost like the thought process, though. It's like, I wouldn't use a short version. Director, man, that's that's a name if there ever was one. Yeah, like he never like his like no one ever says Philip Collins, right, the famous musician, right? That's right. And we say Mary and Pippin, Pippin, Mary and Pippin, instead of Mary a doc and Peregrine. True ranks, very right. Talking about Disney movies, Phil Collins, that was Tarzan. He did that. He did. The next stop enjoying things, you know, allowed to more hate. It's like, yeah, we sometimes slip into talking things we like. Yeah, like Tarzan's movie. Jane was really cool. I worry about what they would do to her and like a remake. I always say Meg, she's the one that really scares me. I feel like Meg is really tough. It's like, it's really you got to juggle it. You got to be careful. It was like the right balance, a great voice actress. And I don't know. I don't know if you can do that again. I don't trust you people. And I don't care. Going to names. Remember, bones always said, damn it, James, I'm a doctor, not a stone worker, right? You always say he always say, Jim, he's he would. He would never say he's dead, James. He said he's dead, Jim. Exactly. Exactly. We're just not listening now. And Spock was just Spock. Have any of you seen it? Let me look up what Spock's full name is Spock's full name. Spock's full name is Oh, fuck off. Well, here, that's his full name. You guys, Spock. There's not even a vowel in the first one. Why did you fucking do that, Gene? God damn it. Is Gene short for anything? Jennifer. Gene. Jennifer Roddenberry. God damn it. Jennifer Roddenberry. Short to Gene. I haven't even made an eight and speaks. Does she speak Cleon or Vulcan? She's Vulcan, right? Yeah, I think she speaks more than just Vulcan. So I'll just go a couple of other languages. My God, what a turbo nerd. Have any of you guys seen Afterlife with Christina Ricci, Justin Long and Liam Neeson? If so, what are your thoughts? Can't say that I have. I watched it, but I don't remember. All I remember is that Christina Ricci dies, but then she doesn't. She's not actually dead. She's like a corpse. And Liam Neeson's like an undertaker. And they start like talking to each other and Justin Long's trying to save her or something from. It's it's bizarre. I just remember being bizarre. I haven't seen an age as well. I saw Resident Evil Afterlife with Mila Jovic, Ali Carter, Sean Roberts, and Spencer Locke. So I maybe that's the same. That's probably similar. That was when the 3D was becoming like the big thing. And they they just went like. They took advantage by having Wes get throws glasses at the camera. Just again, cinematography is phenomenal in slow motion. It was it was gripping, I would say. Was that the favorite, right? I can't remember. I believe our favorite was I've got I've got my list somewhere. One after that was Revelation, right? There was resident there was Resident Evil. Then there was Apocalypse, right? And then extinction. Yep. And then and then Afterlife. And then and then revelations. Or was it retribution or something? Oh, probably it was retribution. Yeah. And then it was the final chapter, which I think is the only one I haven't seen. Don't it's disappointing. Oh, damn. It is. That's the thing. It's still like a fun movie to watch, but it is undeniably disappointing. They did not go all out and they really should have. And that's yeah, we did not. We did not get some playoffs. That I would recommend you watch the Resident Evil arc when it comes out. We had a whole. Yeah, yeah, man. That's a middle job. That that was really I don't like you met your husband doing all that. But like what about your career? You know, maybe she had fun. You know, she had fun. Maybe she did have fun, but I mean, it's, you know, she probably could have had done more if she didn't like just I have nothing but respect for Mila Jovovich making the Resident Evil movies. Why? Yeah, don't complicate. Don't complicate these discussions. That's that's barely an answer, but OK. I mean, it isn't an obvious. I mean, come on, we've all been there. Hey, Marla, you mentioned that Buffy Season one and two aren't very good at all. What convinced you to watch onto season three? Was it just enjoyment? So I was a young man. I was, I believe, because season three was already out when I knew I think I told the story before, but because I was young enough to get confused by obvious things, I just wanted to see stuff I wasn't allowed to see naturally. Like you can't see this movie. It's too old and spooky and blah, blah, for you. And I was like, and then I was always interested in what my sisters would end up watching at like a regular interval. And I was but when I caught on that there was a show they're watching called Buffy, I was especially when it's the vampire Slayer. I was like, I want to see this. And they started being like, they started referring to it as BUFFY really quick. And I was just like, what is that? And then they would explain, like when they needed to say the name in like the dinner table or whatever. And I was just like, what the fuck are they? What is that? What is BUFFY? And then it's one of my favorite memories. Generally, I still remember where I was. And I went, B, you, it's Buffy. You, like I figured it out. And they were like, oh no. Yeah, the first episode I ever saw or rather the first thing I ever saw, I managed to see an episode they were watching through the door. I opened it, I was looking, I was doing a sneak. And it was when a guy, I'm going to be nice and non-spoilery, get staked and he doesn't go to dust like a vampire does because he's a person. Oh, boy. And I remember seeing that and being like, holy shit. It was a very serious episode. And then, yeah, when I had, I think I referenced that was something that I knew about or had seen. I thought it was really interesting. And then I think my sister's convinced my parents that I could see it because it wasn't too old for me. And then, so I saw season three first and then I saw one and two and then three and then four and then five. And I've told people this before, I mentioned it on Gary's, I think Friday Night Tights or Real BBC, but they always proof watch the seasons before letting me see them because I was a young man. And they were like, this is okay, this is okay. The one season they decided they didn't need to do that for because we'd come this far was season six. And I watched it with everybody having checked it. No fucking way they would have let me see that if they had watched it ahead of time. Is that what turned you Welsh? I was Welsh before that. Oh my God. You know, Buffy sounds like what, like a seven-year-old would call a bodybuilder. He's Buffy. It's a stupid name for a character. Season six of Buffy would have been 2001. And I saw that. 2001 to two, yeah. Yeah, so I would have been around eight years old when I saw that. And it's funny because I remember where I was when the certain thing happened. I don't know how media does that. Where you remember where you were? I can picture where I was and I was looking at the screen and I was just fucking blown away. I couldn't believe it was happening. I mean, for me, the, yeah. Buffy's a little bit, Buffy tends to be a lot more chill than when that thing happens. Yeah, for the most part. I think I just, my memory is more broad. I just remember the feeling of sitting down in front of the TV on like a Saturday morning watching cartoons. Yeah, I used to do a lot of that. Just remember sitting in your PJs, eating your breakfast. Yeah, it was a good time. You're just a Buffy shell. I definitely a Buffy shell. Clarify, Loki's one out of 10. I remember watching some of Sabrina. I remember watching. The cat was funny. The cat was funny. Salem, yep, that's right. Oh, look at that. Do you guys have any strange fears when you were young, when you were like, when you were little kids? Did you have any strange, like just phobias, strange fears when you were a kid? Oh yeah, I don't know if I had any strange ones. I had standard ones. I had a fear of the dark for the most part when I was super young. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I didn't like the dark either. Yeah, I don't think I had any odd ones. Yeah, just standard stuff that a kid would get afraid of, I suppose. Brooked. Yeah. Puppo running around, getting upset at things that would not generally cause an adult to be afraid of them things. Yeah, taking chat saying, season one bad, two bad, three bad, four okay, five good. Gray's not bad. Six great. Yeah, a lot of people say three's bad. Three's great. Three's great. So with the snakes and gardeners, I asked the two genders. To clarify, Loki's one out of 10, but one rounded down cause one's too generous. Also, never forget Kang allowed slavery, Hitler and Quinton reviews. Yeah, so they're on par those things. Just those three's for sale. Is it awkward that Kang is responsible for the KQK? Kang is responsible for a lot of shit, man. All the evils, yeah. It's a lot of stuff. A-Fringo, my man, WRIS wants to know if you can re-release your crude penguin comic. I don't know what that is. No, I don't like those ones. I'm working on a new comic that I'm much prouder of. Papal penguin. Oh, I don't know. This comic, as they say in Mexico, El Morado Panguino. What does that mean? I don't speak that language. I think it means the green giraffe. By the way, the blue giraffe, excellent short story if you read it. Carry on. Kang did nothing wrong. I feel like he did. I feel like he did a few things incorrectly. I feel like he did almost the most things wrong out of anybody who's ever existed. Oh my God, enough bad Buffy takes. Is it just me or is the episode of the zappo not very good? Fuck, kiddoby. What? Is that the one with the lighter? That's the zippo. Oh, that's the one where the blimp crashes. The zapplin. Oh. But yeah, that episode is particularly good from season three. I hate all of you, okay? Unless you have my exact Buffy takes, I hate all of you. High rats. Someone said, I was afraid of opening the refrigerator for a while as a kid. That's interesting. I wonder what it was that I wonder if it was. Something probably fell out of it when they opened it once and they're just terrified forever after. Maybe, maybe. Yeah, high rags. Hello. Oh, oh, the road to Zhang Zing prison camp? I'm probably saying that wrong. Oh, I'm guessing that's like one of those. Yes. I imagine. Not a week or a week. That's a good point, chat. Because of Kang, does that make 9-11 an inside job? If I'm gaming gay world slash aid simulator, when? All right, then. I don't know why you want to say it ranks. That's all right. I would rather talk about gay world and aid simulator. Me too. I still have that in my steam library. I snatched it up just in case you got. Yeah, I do have gay world. Gay. Yeah, I bought gay world. It was very cheap. It was cheap. Gay world was cheap. And I was, I was worried that I might. I was worried that it might not be around. And if you go to the gay world page on your library, if you own it, the first thing that pops up for community content seems to be a removed YouTube video entitled objects that I've shoved over my cars. I would like to, I'd like to show everyone the little splash image, the little, the little teaser for gay world seems to be a cop stopping a person and you have three options. Arrest, not arrest and straight. Naturally, the three options that every police officer has if they're disposes, whenever they apprehend a suspected criminal. Arrest, not arrest, straight. Genius. Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure, full playthroughs of those are on the way, I'm sure. Mr. Rags, your band from the Mickey Mouse Club. Damn. Morley, a gay, Fringy, a gay. Hi, rags. Hello. Oh, yeah. Sorry. I haven't seen Eve Live in weeks. Hope I can catch 150 live thoughts on Daria. Marta should ever come out of MTV. Right where it hurts is the best episode I've heard of it. I've never watched it. I remember only watching it as a kid when I was way too young to understand what that show was about. Do you know anything about it? Let's show. I know what the main girl looks like. That's it. It's a show on MTV. It's like and they're probably right. It probably is like the best show that MTV made. Well, I know it's I know it's song in Italian. Hi, E-fabs. Please watch Life is Beautiful. It's an Italian comedy about the Holocaust. And I watched it a few times in high school. It's a great foreign foreign film. I thought aren't all films about you know what? Forget it. Yeah, maybe at some point, I don't know. So I can't read that out. Oh, my goodness gracious. So person attempts to kill person, then no one acts like it's a big deal. They totally act like it's a big deal. An episode or two later, and it's like everyone is cool with the even the council like what? They're not cool. I can't be more specific to that. You know what? Just wait. They will eventually be like, give me two or three years. There will be an episode by episode coverage on E-fab for Buffy. I'm sure of it. OK. That'd be great. Arrest, not arrest. Straight, Loki, Falcon the Winter Soldier and Wanda Vision. So. So one more time here. Well, give me a sec. So I would. Loki can't be straight. So that's out as a choice. Straight will have to go to Wanda Vision, actually. Probably. Yeah, I go. Yeah, I guess so, yeah. So arrest and not arrest. I guess we were arresting Loki. I somehow think that's like the more punishment goes to the person we arrest. Yeah, go for Loki and then Falcon the Winter Soldier can be not arrested, even though I wouldn't prefer that. But fine. I'm going to carry that arrangement. I don't know if you want me to read it out again, Rags. So you can. Yes, please. So arrest, not arrest and straight to be delivered to Loki, Falcon the Winter Soldier and Wanda Vision. Let's see. So for Wanda Vision, Loki and Tafawa's arrest. Straight goes to Wanda Vision. And not arrest goes to Loki and arrest goes to Falcon for obvious reasons. Oh, I get what you did. Yeah, very clever. He's a criminal. He needs to be stopped helping out those terrorists. I feel like he's sort of working the larger criminal of the selection. You know, he's also black. So I figured that works with your joke. Yeah, that's true. Thank you for going there. Which is that? That's the final super chat for today. Oh, we managed to get 11 hours of content. I know, right? We're going to have to don't get used to it. I get used to it. Yeah. Oh, that's another one. That's two in a row. Recently, rewatched parts of Arabia in 4K on YouTube had only seen the DVD before. Modern film scanning technology for older films is the bee's knees. I need to rewatch that. I'd be interested to see the comparison. I have not. Yeah, I have not seen it at all. It's a long movie. That's all right. You know what? That's OK. Yeah, it's all right. We've watched another four hour movie. Do you guys remember? Oh, yeah, that's right. No, this is the final super chat. There you go. Done and done. That's true. He got you. There we are. EFAP 146 complete. And you'll get 147 next week with probably streaming on Wednesday to do some catching up with the overflow, which we're just going to chunk on through it as we can. Chonk it. Onk it. Yep. I am the last super chat. And this is Spartacus. That's. Oh, I see. We need thoughts on the Holocaust. It's bad. It's bad. There you go. You mean like, do you mean in concept or an execution? It was a wrong committed by a very evil country at the time. It was a bad in terms of global good and bad. That was a bad. Yeah, that's probably fair. I'm the last. Do you think they could have done it better? I don't know that that's something that I could speak to. That's fair enough. You might not be aware of the efficiency of the tools and stuff, which is different specialties for different people. I feel I've said this before, but you should really only speak up on topics you feel you have something important to add to. You shouldn't just talk forever about everything, you know? Notice me, Fringoid. Hey. Yeah, it's been fun. I was those good schnizzles. And I suppose there's nothing else to say. Well, is there anything you guys wanted to say other than just, yeah, well, things? Yeah. Wait, you go first, right? So you got anything to say or add? Yeah, like to announce or anything? No, I don't think so. I don't think so. I guess when's the next time we're going to see everybody on stream? What's our next stream rate? I guess. Yeah, it sounds good to me. I just went unlisted. So you can't send any more now. You fuck. Oh, you showed them closed. You showed us and them and everyone. You still have the whole chat fight on, boys. Sorry, it's been it's been I've made it profane. We have a notice me, Fringoyd. We still have the holy chat fight on boy. On interstate 60 movie. I have no idea what I think that is. State 60 episodes of the row. That's from 2002. Christopher Lloyd's in it. And Gary Oldman, Michael J. Fox, Kurt Russell. I didn't even I don't know anything about this movie. I've never interstate 60 episodes of the road. Neil Oliver, a very confused young man and an artist, takes a journey of a lifetime on a highway. I 60 that doesn't exist on any of the maps going to a place you never even heard of searching for an answer and his dream girl director Bob Gale. Release the chat. Oh, the last one says frungus. Muck Dungus, a perfect day. Yeah, new video on Monday for most of you, Tuesday nights in Australia. Keep an eye out and be a premiere for that one. Things are on the way. I guess I'll say this is the end of every episode. We're heading close to the anniversary. So you guys are going to want to the stuff you want me to know about beforehand. Start sending it in. Whatever crazy concoction. Fringes got coming. Probably going to mention that at the end of the next effect, so it'll be out by then. Well, yes. But in the meantime, keep an eye out. It'll be it'll come out on Tuesday of my time, Monday for most of you. And on that note, thank you so much for hanging out with us. It's been a lot of fun. Thank you very much for the donations. And we will see you probably on Wednesday. Mm-hmm. Good night, everybody. Bye-bye. Toodaloo.