 Good morning. How are y'all doing? I know it's been kind of a crazy week, maybe less crazy than last week. I don't know. Yes, crazy than last week and we've got Amanda joining us too. We are going to chat about a fun radio show that we had on Halloween, which seems like it was last week, but it really was Tuesday. We're kicking off November now, so that's super fun. We put on a whole session as a team or whole day of radio as a team, I reclaim throughout the day. And we just wanted to talk through how it works as a distributed team virtually because we don't have the physical space anymore to put on a radio show. So we just wanted to kind of talk through the behind the scenes and all that good stuff. So how did you all feel it went? I thought it was awesome. I mean, I did an hour of it, but it was a joy mostly just to listen throughout the day. It was great to kind of have a place to tune into all day. My daughter happened to be home with me that day and we had it on literally throughout the entire house. So that was kind of for a lot of the day. So that was kind of cool too. I loved that. Even during my break time. So it was nice. It was fun. Yeah, that's really, really nice. That's what I realized sort of slightly after I started playing music was that I should have asked for clarification on how many swears we were allowed to play. Yeah, five. Five. I think they might have used after that the station is shut down. It'll be coming for us. All right. Yeah, I really liked it. I had. So I have been at reclaim since June of 22. And we've done radio things mostly like internally haven't really like done anything that has been public facing. And I've always been able to get away with not doing it. And not that I didn't want to, but there were just there was some setup involved that I felt an equipped to handle. And so what was nice about Tuesday was it was like, yeah, well, we're all doing it. And so I was like, all right, I guess I gotta learn how to do it. And I did. And I had a lot of fun. I did three hours, three hours total. I did my own radio suspense hour that where I played like two radio broadcasts from the old time radio archive on YouTube, which was really fun. And then I did a spot with pilot and then I did a spot with Jason. And I really enjoyed all of them. And I was the only thing I wanted to say about it. Oh, just that I had a lot of fun, but it was very nerve wracking. I was so nervous. I just wasn't expecting to be as nervous as I was. But it all went really well. Yeah, that's pretty much the long and short of it for me too. You were awesome, by the way. It's the idea of doing that for three hours was very intimidating to me and you did a very good job. Thank you. But yeah, the thing that you said about setup. We actually, so we'll maybe get into this later if we run out of other stuff to talk about, but that's not true. We already talked about. We use a Zura cast and audio hijack to make our radio station run. And we actually did training summer of 2022 on a Zura cast and audio hijack, which I remember specifically because audio hijack was a staff pick in the July 2022 roundup because that's how I mark time these days and it's great. But we did that training all the way back then and I didn't have audio hijack. So I learned how a Zura cast worked and then never figured out how to get the music to go inside. You got to put the music inside the radio station pilot. You just got to put it in there. Okay. Yeah. Okay. The thing that I can use to just like pipe it. I had to relearn audio hijack from that session. Again, when we were doing the training to prep for this radio show, I had my the session list to set up and like all the blocks for Spotify in particular setup and it was it's one of those like set and forget sort of scenarios and audio hijack which is nice because then it's like, everything works. You just like follow the errors if they fail. And so I had forgotten how to like create the new ones, the new blocks like for someone working with like Chrome for like a YouTube stream or anything like that. I was really like on the fly was I was caught off guard half of it like trying to train again but it's but I'm glad it worked out for everybody. And it was it's a good refresher because I definitely want to keep like streaming doing the the low five streams. Occasionally or like pick a genre of music like everybody do like a you pick sort of thing that'd be cool. Very excited. I'm very excited at the idea of getting to just inflict my music tastes on people, but I also realized about 25 minutes in that I listen to the same four playlists that are kind of a mix of the. There's like a Venn diagram of like 80 songs that I listened to, and the four playlists have so much overlap because I keep recycling things. So at a certain point it is just going to be guys going oh pilots listening to pilots just listening to this again this is the same stuff that I played on Halloween is also on a playlist I have of just songs that I will loop to do music to in the background is also on a character playlist that I made for a tabletop game is also on a different playlist that I it's all the same playlist in different orders. That's awesome. Jim how was your experience at the radio. It was good. I had a lot of fun. I think you saw firsthand. Meredith one of the things I did and I love to play with the radio setups I've been doing it for a little while and so one of the things I was doing is let me show you this. So I'm going to share my screen here and I'm going to show you one of the tools I use to get Jim. You're coming in a little quiet for me is there a setting on your end. Better now gain well that is better but is can you just like turn up the game or something. Are you are you questioning my levels. Yes, I think that is what I'm doing. Why are we doing spooky Halloween or are we just going to ASMR that's fine. No, I'm just being creepy. I'm sorry. I will stay closer to the mic because I don't know how to adjust my levels right now. But I will say this. So I'm going to share this. So this is my loop back. This is an application you can buy a lot of us were using audio hijack. And so this has various inputs like this is my camera. No, this is actually something weird. This is my laser disk VHS switcher. This is my this is Google Chrome. This is music Apple music. This is quick time player when I'm doing movie stuff. This is my sure Mike. This is slack if I ever need to. This is USB audio codec, which is actually another word for my turntable, which I was using extensively Meredith as you know. And then this is VLC. And then this is something that gets it all together through pass through Jesus Christ. All of this gets mixed into these two channels. And if I turn two things on simultaneously, you can hear me and then you can hear whatever audio that is. And it could be my music. And the key to doing that is that in and I really like this. It was kind of groundbreaking for me in Streamyard. I could essentially pick that loopback audio because it's basically a virtual input. I could basically grab that and my microphone was not just my microphone, but it was any one of those audio inputs. So I could talk with Marin and then also we both could listen to whatever I was playing, whether it's on my turntable, whether it was later on Apple music. And so that's the way Meredith, when we were all talking, we could in Streamyard hear what was going out to the radio because there's loopback. But then I'm doing the same thing, but in a different way in audio hijack. But loopback allows me to take everything in that I want other people I'm with in a particular room to hear to hear. And then we're on the same page when you go out on the radio, because there's nothing worse than being in Streamyard. And someone's saying, I'm playing this song to the radio now and you're part of the conversation, but can't hear what's going out to the radio. So it really was a nice setup for me to have loopback providing kind of the monitor for people in Streamyard and then also running my audio hijack as I normally do with the various inputs. Does that make sense? So the idea of you're using loopback to pipe your mic and what you're listening to into Streamyard. And then you're using audio hijack. Amanda, we ran into this because you have to put your mic into audio hijack separately, what you're getting back from Streamyard. So the stuff that you're piping into Streamyard can be the radio and your mic and you're getting Marin back. And then you're piping Marin and your microphone and something else into audio hijack separately. And that's getting sent to Azurecast. You are correct. In fact, right now I'm using the loopback virtual because the last thing I need. And so listen to, listen right now. You might hear something. I'm going to go make a flow chart. Do you hear this? Yes. Yeah. Under the bridge. No, this is ocean between the waves. And so that's what's happening. So Marin could hear my, my turntable. We could rock out to the cure. And you know, I could also do that in audio hijack, which is what's running right to Azurecast. And that was wonderful. These recordings go on YouTube. We're going to get DMC eight. No, I just only played less than 30 seconds. Plus we've got our own, we've got our own. We don't even need YouTube, man. That's right. We're pulling lately. No, I just also wanted to mention, of course, as soon as I say I wanted to mention something, I'm going to forget it, but something Jim was talking about had reminded me of something. But I'll let you, I'll let it go. I'll circle back. The loopback stuff is really powerful. And, and like, and in audio hijack itself even, right? Like the, there are other tools like I, I, I use on windows, I use a tool to stream to my own radio station for when I play with a virtual D&D group every week, we play background music on an Azurecast station. And I'm using my personal computer there, which is on windows. And there is alternatives. There's one called rocket broadcaster. That's pretty good. But none of them let you really configure this whole workflow in the way that audio and visualize it in the way that audio hijack does. Like I, I'm really impressed by now it's not nothing like you have to learn it. It's, it's, it can be complicated, but you can, you can look at it. Like if I share my screen here, learning audio hijack easy. Yes. And yeah. And then once you get the basics and you use that a few times, you can do some somewhat complicated things with it really easily. So like this is my basic radio setup that I use on my Mac. So this is my microphone. This is Apple music. And then I want to hear it locally, obviously. So that's what the output device thing is for this view meters thing. All this does is when you run this in audio hijack, it'll put in my menu bar, a little, a little volume meter. So that's like a nice visual indicator of like, Hey, dummy, you're live. Like don't wait. That's floating up in the up where it says like application file edit view history. Yeah. Okay. So that'll be up next to like the top right. Yeah. Okay. And then over here is the three stations that I can use. So I can go to reclaim radio. I can go to my own radio station and I have DS 106 radio setup in there too. And I can even turn them on all at once and simulcast all three, which is just the fact that that is possible in this interface where you just kind of like visually lay things out is super cool to do something like this with other tools is possible, but really complicated. It's like Yahoo Pipes. If you remember that tool. I'm normally with you on old, on old web tools, but I don't know about Yahoo Pipes, man. Pipes is basically like you're doing the plumbing and that's exactly what's happening here. You're doing the kind of, you know, maybe this is more like electrical wiring, right? Sure. You're pushing it together. And the way I have it is I always broadcast to DS 106 radio and to reclaim radio. So let me show you this quickly just to give you a sense of a different look at the same setup because you can basically set it up however you want. And so look at this one. So this is this is this is this right. So this has my microphone. Apple music. This is my turntable when I use it. And this is Google Chrome, all of which are going through to either my DS 106, which I call Baba radio or to reclaim radio. And I can turn them on or off. So it won't broadcast it if I don't want to, right? And then I have it recording as you mentioned, pilot that it's recording like that right there is a little recording, you know, widget. And then that's where I'm basically monitoring everything through my headphones. So it is all of these different inputs going to two radio stations to simulcast and then recording. And then here's all my recordings over here, right? All the various like things I've done. It's awesome software. I have a question of it. Yes. So I thought everything went really smoothly. I felt like a professional, right? I felt like a radio DJ, which was thrilling. The one thing that I was upset about and I couldn't figure out how to fix and I don't know if you guys have a way to do this or if you just have better hardware around you. But what was killing me was the click of my mouse every time I tried to click between things. I know that Taylor has like special buttons that he can use for like muting himself or something like that where it probably doesn't make as much sound. But I just was wondering, like, is there anything that you guys do to kind of avoid the click? That's a really good question. So plus you're using an internal microphone too. Right. That's, yeah. So having an external microphone does help. That's the first one because unfortunately when you're clicking on the, are you using an external mouse or a trackpad on your computer? It's an external mouse. And it's picking it up. Yeah. I tried to use the trackpad and that was just as dead. I would be even worse probably because you'll hear like a, because you're actually touching the thing that the microphone is on. But yeah, the internal microphone on your laptop is those microphones have to pick up from a far range because they're not physically that close to you. Right. Like this microphone is literally two inches from my mouth. So that's why you can't hear clicks and unless I'm typing really fast, you can't hear my typing. But so that's one is I think we need to send out reclaim radio streaming kits to everyone. Yeah. I think it's worth it. I mean, I, what was cool too about. As long as you're not actively reading credit card numbers, it doesn't matter. At what was cool was that like. Yes. Was it yesterday or the day before? I don't know. Sometime after Halloween radio, Jason just started going on and streaming. And I was like, this is awesome. Like we should totally do this. And I do think it would be a cool investment in our radio. We do a lot of live stuff now. And it's the balance is finding gear that's easy to use and not a pain to maintain. Like, you know, we could, we could do a setup like, like Jim or I have, but you all would probably hate it. Like so, so that's, that's the balance is it's like, you got to find something that you can like put away when you don't want it. Unless you're going to be an insane person like me and use your microphone for everything. So that there's a balance there. The other thing is I wonder if there's a way in audio hijack to set up keyboard shortcuts to mute and unmute sources. That's not something I've looked into, but like. I bet. Right. Like I bet there's a way to do that. And at which point now you don't have to click to make, you know, yourself muted and unmuted. They're also. Yeah. Wasn't it. Not good. It was. More difficult than it needed to be. And in fact, the shore M seven, if I can push this, I'll promote this. I'll keep it closed. There you go. That's that radio sound. How are you? Very good. This is going to push the road. Mike too. But look at this. This is the shore of your seven and right here. Hmm. And there's no click. Yeah. And I have a button hidden under my desk that I press. So ideally you can't even. Press it. Okay. You can't tell. So. That's. But. Yeah. There's also the last thing is audio hijack does have filtering tools. So, um, I haven't played with them too much, but you can't. You can't. You can't. You can't. You can't have filtering tools. So, um, I haven't played with them too much, but you can do, um, A possibly an expander. I'm not really an audio expert. Cause audio stuff is in my opinion way harder than video. Um, but, uh, there are possibly some things we could do an audio hijack to kind of isolate voices a little bit better. So. That's my only critique. I just, I, I felt like that, I just think that everyone should learn to love the clunk. That's fine. I don't know if you can ever hear it on my end, but if you hear Brandon behind me gaming, you can hear his keyboard. Sometimes if he's like really into like the middle of the, of the fight or something. Don't get me wrong. I'm sorry about this cat. Don't get me wrong. I love a good clack, right? Clacky keyboard, clacky mouse, but you know, some, like that's sometimes, you know, I got to polish it up. Oh, we're just going to become an ASMR. Radio has to have some, you know, there's got to be some rules, right? There's got to be like some level of engagement. And I agree. I hate the mouse click on radio. And if I can eliminate it, I will, but you're right. Actually, Amanda, it's a super hard thing. Unless you get an external mic and you maybe have a quick way. But then you'll realize I have this problem all the time. I have the mute on my mic and then the mute in the app. And I forget where I'm muted. I only ever use one. That's my solution, but it's not a hundred percent. Sometimes I still mess it up, but yeah. Yeah. And what I'm smiling in particular Amanda, because this is how it starts. You go like, I don't like that there's a mouse click. That's where it starts. And then eventually you're like, how can I run a compressor for my audio across every not just radio, but I want to sound like this on zoom. This is how you get to be insane like me. So be careful. That's all. But yeah, I think there's some cool things we could do. You know, we could even just start with getting a pack of like easy to use like wired lav mics for the team. Right. So that you don't have to charge them. You can literally just clip them to your clothing and reasonably close to you. And that would probably be a first good step to like easy to use simple audio. I'm not a hundred percent sure how well live mics will reject mouse clicks though. Cause live mics still are kind of far away from your mouth technically. Call it the per mic. But it might be that might be a good first step. And it would be something where like I said, you just you just plug it in when you want to do radio stuff and then unplug it when you don't. I'm suddenly realizing that if I go down this audio rabbit hole, I can get rid of a thing that I complain about to everybody constantly, which is truck noises outside my window. I also probably have like a stock of mics in my basement that I could probably just send people because this is, this is, this is my last mic in a series of many. Jim's like, yeah, let's do that one. No, so anyway, I don't know if we got too far field, but I've loved playing part of what I've loved playing with radio for, and I love that, you know, Meredith, you did the tutorial. You got Jason hooked. You got a man to do in professional quality, like scary stories. Like it was impressive how everyone just basically busted out their audio hijack. And, you know, we sounded like a real team of, of DJs, which is, you know, kind of not what we are, but like we play, we can kind of play DJs on TV, as they say, right? It was fun. Yeah, it's, it's super cool. I wanted to share what the schedule looks like. And Marin's not with us for the, for the stream, but I have to give a big shout out to her cause she, she did this, like she made the schedule. She, she gave it to us to sign up. And by the time that I even like looked at the schedule to sign up, like most of it was covered, which was super cool. And I like, I really love that the team is just all about like media and like creation and stuff like that. Like it's not just like web hosting. Like we're, we're able to like jump into that, that side of the, the web to be able to create things like that. Like it was kind of bringing me back to my DS one of six days two back, like recording the, the wire radio shows. And I think we were using Audacity to record it. And separately, we didn't even put, like we, we recorded the whole show, edited it in Audacity, and then uploaded it for streaming outside of the radio. We didn't do like a lot. I can't remember if we did a live show or anything like that, but it's super cool. I personally like radio because it takes away a bit of the on camera feel. Sometimes I'm getting used to being on camera now. A bit more that we're doing live streams, but having that like barrier can be kind of nice too. So you're not having to worry about like, oh, how was my camera look? Like is my background blurred? Like, you know what I mean? So like that's super cool. But, but yeah, we all jumped in for the, for these hours. And then we had some song requests from the other part of the team that couldn't be on the, on the radio show for other meetings, scheduling, all that good stuff. It was really fun to be able to like pull in those as requests. So, and adding on the StreamYard factor too. That was, yeah. I agree. The StreamYard doing that with you and Marin was fun. And this was the first show. I've done vinyl casts where I played just a side of vinyl through. This is the first time I tried to play specific tracks on vinyl. Like no third track into the album. It's tricky. And it was tricky. It was tricky. I didn't do it very well. It was like, okay, let's try again. You know, if you had two turntables, you could cue things up. That's next, I think. Yeah. I needed to have my turntable right here. Yes. I kept on like going over here to where my turntable was and you would lose my voice and I'd be like playing. And you probably can't cue properly either. You need two turntables and a microphone at your desk. If you get a lav mic and clip it to your shirt. There you go. Get one of those radium labs. Not wired. I'm going to clip it to my dog and have my dog walk around the house. Like a GoPro. Have dog radio. I don't know what that is, but that's an idea that we need to start working on. Dog radio. That's awesome. I just wanted to point out that one of the things I'm hearing here, and actually this kind of goes, Amanda, to something you said at the beginning and Meredith, you just touched on again too is like, it was cool to see so much of the team involved. And I feel like, you know, it took making a public thing. Right. Like we've had Reclaim Radio for, well, I think it actually, it's been around since way before I started at Reclaim. But I know there was an effort like about a year ago like, hey, let's do internal streaming on Mondays once in a while. It was like a fun thing just for us. And, you know, Jim's done that a little bit. Chris has done that a little bit. I've done it a couple of times too. I know Meredith you have, but like, you know, to make an event out of it, I think it was cool to get everyone involved. And now, you know, you've got the setup. Once you do have the setup, it's way easier to, you know, that's the thing is making an event meant that anyone who didn't have the setup needed to get the setup done and learn how to use it to deadline. And so I want to draw a line here between, this is a dumb analogy maybe, but it's a little bit like teaching a course and having your students, you know, do their work in the open. Like it changes the work a little bit in sometimes a really good way. So. Well, yeah, I think also, you know, adding on to that, it really, all of us had the opportunity to make it our own too. You know, and I think that's, you know, very relevant to what you just said, Taylor, about, you know, student learning and learn, because this was a learning experience for us is what it was, you know, and we, we got to own it and we got to play. And now I know how to use audio hijack. So I mean, I'm not complaining. Yeah. I need to do more work with my vinyl cast setup. My record player is across the house and I've done, I've done a stream before where I use my iPad to do most of it. And that kind of works, but then I can't cut in as easy, but I have some ideas, Jim. I know we've talked, I think we've actually done a stream around the idea of using NDI to shuttle video around the network. So I want to use my iPad as an NDI camera and audio source. So like point it at a record player across my house. Not my, my house isn't real big, but like it's not in the same room as me and then bring that into my Mac, be able to listen and broadcast it and then use my microphone at my Mac. So let's define NDI for people just so that they know what we're talking about. What is an NDI? It's, it's a protocol. It's a network protocol that a lot of different tools can use. But basically it's a way to send video from one device to another over the network. And so you can think of it a little bit like how this, you know, how live streaming works, right? Like where audio hijack is sending audio to Azure cast. And that's over. I actually don't know what protocol that is, but it's using a protocol to do that. There's a protocol. Yeah. And or ice cast. I don't know what ice cast is the tool that's receiving it. I think ice cast is just receiving MP3 audio over like HTTP, but I, I do not know. Anyway, a better example I'm a little bit more familiar with in terms of how it works is OBS, right? So you use OBS to send video to Twitch or, or own cast or reclaim TV or whatever. And that's over a protocol called RTMP and the specifics of it don't matter. But my point is it's a way to get video from one place to another. NDI is like that except it's designed to be used in your local network and it's super fast. So normally when you're doing a video stream between two things on the internet, it takes like time, like there's there's time to send the video and it has to be processed and all this stuff. So sometimes it's like 15 seconds of delay. NDI is milliseconds of delay, like literally so fast that in many cases you can't tell that there's a delay. Is that what Aaron Porecki has been using like with there when they have those ATEM minis and it's basically ATEM devices? Yeah. I don't know for sure. ATEM, so Black Magic is such a big company. They may be using a different, there are other, the other things that do what NDI does. They may even have their own thing. I bet, I bet Black Magic has its own thing. But it's a similar idea. Would you be going from device to device or you're on the same API, I mean an IP address. So how do you define where the network picks up the signal and where it ends? It's local. So because it's local, it can like broadcast and advertise itself. So basically on my iPad, I would install an app already have it called NDI Capture. Gotcha. And you open that app and it literally just looks like a camera app. Like it's just, okay, cool. And then on my Mac, I would, I think in OBS, because I don't think Audio Hijack has a way to do this directly, but OBS has ways where it can say pull in an NDI source. And so when you click that button, it'll be like, cool, here's all the ones I know about right now. There's also another tool called NDI Tools that does this similarly. And so it's just looking on the local network. It's kind of like AirPlay a little bit. If you've ever, if you've used an Apple TV and casted your phone to it where you're not putting IPs in, but the fact that you are, you have an Apple TV on your network just kind of makes it happen. It's the specifics of it are all networking and I only know half of it. Is that what you use instead of Elgato Capture Cam for the end? Yes. So I use this, I'm not reusing OBS right now, but I have used this in the past to demo like, look, I can use my phone as a webcam and like, I don't know, show you my cat who's not in the room right now, surprisingly. But there are all kinds of ways you can use that. And I have tested this with doing a vinyl cast before, but I want to get in more of a habit of it because my record player has a nice USB output. So I can basically plug that in with like a single adapter right into my iPad and capture the audio and then point the iPad's camera at the record player and maybe even do a video component to the vinyl cast too. But that would be maybe icing on the cake. But yeah, NDI is super cool. It's not an open protocol, but it's like a free to use protocol that lots of things support. And there are other things that do what NDI does in different ways, but this idea of local, you know, local video broadcasting is, and technically I think NDI can work over the internet too, but is kind of cool. And I'm interested in kind of stretching the boundaries of the station, what I can do with it. NDI is not to be confused with an NDA, right? Yeah, non-disclosure agreement, not the same. I don't even know what NDI stands for off the top of my head. But yeah, we've got links in the Discord chat. Both of these are great. Yeah, NDI.video is the main website and New Tech is the company that makes it or develops it. Beautiful. No, so that is definitely something to look at because my Epoch cam sucks. I can never get my webcam to work. So NDI might be, if I sign an NDA, I might use the IDI. I'd like to point out on the newtech.com slash applications page for NDI, they have a link to get it on iTunes, which is very... Yeah, that's the app I'm talking about. Oh, it's just called NDI Camera now, that's even better. It used to be this like terrible name. It was like HD Capture HX. And now it's just called Camera, which is a good move. It's just funny because it's normally like the App Store now, like get it on the App Store. Get it on iTunes. Yeah, that's really funny. Yeah, so like New Tech is one of those like AV companies that's been around for a long time. So NDI is kind of geared towards like, you know, like industry professionals doing camera work or like AV solutions and stuff. But it's honestly really easy to use. What you need is to know like, what app am I using on my phone if that's where I want to get stuff from and then how am I getting it to my computer? And my suggestion is either NDI Tools or OBS. But once you have those two figured out, like there's not much more to know. You open the two apps and they see each other and you click Go basically. So yeah, it's cool. Awesome. I could go over a little bit of like how simple audio hijack is if that works a little bit or if we have other stuff to chat through. Sure. Let's do it. You hijack this stream, Meredith. Do it. Cool. Okay. So I literally, mine's as simple as I have two session lists they call it. Shoot, I didn't share my screen right. Hold on. With, okay. So when you double click on whichever session list you've got, let's see if it's not adding to my screen. There we go. It will expand a bit more. So I looped in Spotify for my first hour. So I did the, I kicked it off with the first hour just streaming music as we got set up for work for the day and then moved into StreamYard for a video radio show with Marin after Jim and Marin's final cast and then moved back to streaming music while we were in a meet and a team meeting altogether. And I primarily use Spotify for that with the playlist. I like to throw on low-fi music for radio streams because then I don't have to worry about like lyrics getting too crazy or anything like that, just kind of good background music in general because a lot of the music that I listen to tends to have some explicit content on it and is not the best for radio stream. It is, but you know, yeah. So I found some spooky Halloween style playlists from a group called... I'm gonna pull it up, Blurred Low-Fi and then pulled in from Low-Fi Girl 2. Low-Fi Girl streams on YouTube, streams on... has curated playlists on Spotify but Blurred Low-Fi was the first one that I've seen of this one which was pretty cool and they had some spooky tunes in that playlist which was cool. But I just literally picked the application and through blocks you can change applications. So then if you were streaming from YouTube directly you could pick Google Chrome and went from the output device as the speakers so I could still hear that the music was playing just in case like it paused for whatever reason or you can hear it skipping and then went to Reclaim Radio from there. So you could add more kind of like how Taylor and Jim were adding theirs as well. So that's the simple setup for audio hijack. One of the things that I think would be really cool is where do we go from here with Reclaim on the Radio? I feel like this was in my mind a success and we should plan these more often. There's obviously some overhead and work for everyone prepping especially ones where I just put a single album out. So that was not much prep for me. But like Pilot and Amanda you did a whole roundup thing and so that's a little bit more programming work I guess. Amanda picked out the radio stories. If we're going to do an ASMR radio day then we have to find things to read. Taylor, what do you mean you don't want to do ASMR? I think we should try to do these at least once. I still think it's been a while since I've worked at school. I still think in semesters. At least once a semester. I think and I don't know if this is true but I believe that we're going to have some sort of special coming up for the holidays that will include which was so fun, right? And I wonder if we don't use radio as a way to celebrate some holidays. And then if it becomes more regular, great. And I like that we just randomly stream now and we have that slack integration so that people can say hey, Amanda's on the radio. That's a good point too. You want to listen, go there. But if we get like we know once every holiday like 4th of July music, Easter music, just have fun whatever the holiday is. We could even make up a reclaim day or radio day and just put one on the calendar and give people time and try and make it an event and celebrate like I think is what really worked about how Marin set this up is. It was a celebration of reclaim of a long month for reclaim and we all needed to blow off some steam and have a little bit of like, you know, downtime, fun time, creative time. And I think once everything becomes a grind, you know, we lose our edge. And so I think making it regular like you're saying, Taylor. Exactly. That's all I'm trying to say. I just take a long time to say it. We had a good question that I want to cover before we run out of time. I guess we're doing pretty good on time. So someone asked, what's the best way to set up audio hijack for a radio call-in show? And this is actually, I think, a great question because it's not too hard, but there's more to consider than you might think. And there's a lot of different ways to do it. So I'm just going to really quickly put an audio hijack session together that would be the way I would do it. And I know Amanda and Pilate, you had to do this. So, you know, tell me where I'm going wrong, I guess. But if I've got a blank session here, and so first thing I'll need is the audio from the other person. And the way I would suggest doing this is use a video conferencing app. So hop on. We use whereby a lot. You could use, or jitsy. You could use Zoom, whatever, but you're going to capture whatever applications audio from there. So I'm going to pull in an application thing. Let's say we were using whereby. And you can have multiple applications. So if you wanted one from whereby and one from Discord and one from you could have. Yeah, but I mean, those people wouldn't be able to hear each other then. No, this is more just fun fact about audio hijack for people who want to play games from multiple apps at once. So you want to come up with one place where the two or more people are going to be, basically. In our case, we'll think of it as whereby, but this would be the same for any web based, like Google Meet would work the same way. The trick is you have to capture your browser's audio. And so you want to make sure that that's the only thing playing audio in that particular browser. So let's say I have that set up and I'm using Firefox. So I'll capture Firefox's audio. Then I also need to capture my own microphone. And that may sound counterintuitive, but it needs to be there because you're not hearing your own microphone from whereby or whatever video conferencing app. That's not played back to you. So you do need to mix that in as well. So I'm going to grab an input device. My input device would be Mix B in this case, but it'll be whatever your microphone shows up as. And then what you're going to want to do is set up an output device, but only for Firefox, because you still want to be able to hear the other people, basically. And then finally, you need to set up your stream. So we'll put a broadcast block in and I would configure that for the radio. I'm not going to put that all those details in, but that's something that you would grab from Missouricast, those details. Do you know why the, like if you moved output device down, it would automatically connect to both Firefox and input device. Do you know why proximity is making that happen? Proximity? So you move it far enough away from the block and it just... That's just how it works. You can separate that out if you want to. Because in this case, you wouldn't want that because you're going to hear yourself back to you 500 milliseconds later and it'll be a nightmare. You won't be able to talk. From an audio hijack tech perspective, is there a way to change the settings so you can draw those connections or lines and it will automatically be chosen? I don't have it set up in this one, but if you go to info and then automatic connections. Taylor, hold up. I need you to do that again because we have a logo sitting on top of... Info? Yes. Info and then just uncheck automatic connections. So then what you have to do is manually draw the connections. You can do it this way. There's no real advantage. It's just slower. But you can... If you have a really complicated workflow of a lot of devices, this may be easier. And then you do that and then you just hit stop editing. So... Sounds good. Thank you. I wouldn't want it that way. I think Paul Bond asked this question and early on when we were doing DS106 radio, one of the ways we brought people in was through Skype and that was one way to do it was like you had your microphone like you're saying and then the Firefox would just be Skype and you had to kind of duplicate the audio. But I think the thing I never had figured out was this default system output. So you're basically monitoring what people are... Explain the... If you don't have this here, depending on... There are some exceptions. But if you don't have this here, it's going to capture Zoom's audio and you won't hear it anymore. So now you won't hear your guest which is obviously no good. There are some exceptions to how that works. If you have in particular, Jim, for your and I setups where you're using Loopback, that isn't always going to be the case. So... But as a basic, like if you're just using audio hijack you don't have any... I have a hardware device that kind of does what Loopback does so it gets really complicated really quickly but for most people who would just be using audio hijack this is I think how you'd need to set it up in order so that you can hear your guests still, like you're in the conversation as well as it go to the radio. So you have your microphone separate. You have the Zoom or Skype or wherever you're conferencing, whereby, and that output device is basically for you to hear your guests. Yes. Otherwise you would have to hear them on the radio 15 seconds later which would be no fun. And like I said it's very possible that there are other ways to do it too like I'm trying to... Because it's kind of the holy grail is to be able to talk with people hear them in monitoring and then when you're on the radio play music and you can still talk while the music is happening and that's the way we figured it out this time when I was doing the radio with Marin and Meredith but I forget because I'm old, I forget as quickly as I do any of this stuff and so it's good to have a theory behind it. Yeah and the trick there where you want to talk and have the participants listen to the music inside your video conferencing that's where you need loopback. That's not going to be possible to do in just inside audio hijack and the reason is well I shouldn't say that audio hijack is always adding new stuff but the reason is what you need is a virtual microphone device to be able to send music to Skype and that is not that's where loopback is a strength basically. So it sounded like you had that question that I interrupted you in the middle of you asking. Well I was going to say I can share maybe my screen and show you because mine is almost exactly what it was on Halloween. I haven't made any changes and I used almost exactly the default. I made barely any changes to get it there. It's just also that there's people talking outside. I love that we're all rocking a Zorocast and audio hijack. It's amazing. Go pilot, go! Here we go. Let's get this shared correctly. Alright. But yeah, so this is the application that I have. I use Chrome for music and the way that it ended up getting set up and I'm only this is the thing of I said I left it all on defaults which I mean because I was like I don't really know how this works it's working so we're not going to touch anything. So this is as much me talking you through it and you can tell me when I get things wrong but so I have for example whereby or stream yard or music coming from Chrome so when I was on the call with Amanda that was what was coming from my mic which means that I can be heard and they both piped into a recording device and then they both pipe to the output device which is what I can hear. And then they also pipe to the broadcast which is not turned on right now. Is this the reason that I got myself echoing slightly? Yep. So you're hearing it was immediately taking your microphone and sending it back to you as well. Now the nice thing is whereby was probably filtering that out so that it wasn't actually going to like loop and you have headphones on. Two things together meant that like whereby wouldn't have anything to do with it but because you had headphones on you weren't going to get feedback at all. It's possible that audio hijack has some smarts where it'll be like I think there's feedback happening and shut it down but typically the pro audio tools like audio hijack don't do that because that kind of logic like this is something that zoom stream yard and whereby can do where they'll say this person's not wearing headphones and I'm hearing their own audio come back to them. It'll shut that down and filter it but that has a significant impact on the quality of your microphone. It's not something you want in scenarios where you want to be really picky about audio in fact streamer lets you turn that on and off like whereby zoom they'll all do that by default. Also for something like audio hijack that's the sort of thing where I feel like if you're a designer you don't want to make too many assumptions because the whole thing is that this is a super customizable tool. That's the whole idea. You do have to learn about it but you don't want this tool doing things without you asking it to because that's probably more confusing in the whole scheme of things. I didn't look through any of these. There's a million things. Ducking is a cool one so when you put on the radio when a DJ talks and the music automatically lowers under them you can set that up in audio hijack too so that when you speak it'll just automatically duck the music down a little bit so that you're heard and it's super cool. The only different thing that I did on my setup was I added the volume block because I wanted to try and do a fade out with the radio the suspense radio thing I don't know it wasn't super effective for me. I think we need to get everyone streamed X so you can have knobs to turn your microphone down Look at the D-click. D-click is not the same kind of click but speech denoise would be the one I would use. That was in the list that I just noticed that. That may help you. What filter did Jason use to change his voice? You'd have to ask Jason. There's a lot of different ways he could have used even effects that are built into the system there's a protocol a tool called audio units on the Mac that can do all kinds of things across applications but maybe he's using a built-in one I'm not really sure he is using what do you hijack, right? Yes. Speech denoise. There's all kinds of ways. My interface has ones built into it so I can press a little button on the interface which is also under my desk that's how I'm muting things and I can sound like a radio announcer for a little bit. It's very practical. It's very practical. I'm a hoot in meetings. You actually have some pretty good restraint on not using that too much in meetings. I'm tired so, yeah. Taylor, your excessive abuse of the audio sound effects has left us no choice. Hey everyone, welcome to the weekly Ed Tech Eating. I'm being here. You haven't been using that on streams this whole time? What do you have it for? It's a little speech jammery for me so it's hard for me to continue talking through it but I have to be, yeah. It's like the audio equivalent of what was his name? David Letterman's like horror cam or scary cam. Shaky cam. It's like the effect of that same. If I knew the name of the camera it would have been a lot better but I don't. I forgot. But Eric will know. I will say it in the chat. That's what I love about Eric. That's awesome. Yeah, we should have had, I'm really curious of what Jason did exactly. What tools exactly he used to do his speech effects but you can do that within Audio Hijack either. That would be a distortion pedal like a guitar pedal so you could run your voice through that. The thing that is coming up is I can't so I clicked on that and it opened a little window right here that gives you all of the places and settings that you can change stuff. You can't see that because I only share the one window. Sure. Those audio unit effects are used by pro audio applications and Eric is completely right. There's two formats. There's audio units and VSTs. They're both just plugins for audio tools. Mac has a bunch of them just built in so those are there from I think GarageBand or Logic Pro if you're like a pro audio producer but Audio Hijack can use those which is cool because that widely expands what you can do with this system. So cool. I do think that I mean personally for me it was a joy to do the radio but it was also even better to listen everyone doing radio many for the first time and you would never know. Test them into the people and also to some of the tools that were trained by the people really super cool and also appreciate people listening. I heard from a bunch of different people over the course of the last couple of days that oh I heard that part of the show or I was like really you were listening like I always assume no one's listening. That's like my basis for radio but you never know who's going to listen and who you might connect with and sometimes that's a good thing when you're doing that over the course of the day. You're not simply alone it's easy to be alone sometimes and not that I hate being alone but it's nice to connect through this technology and remind ourselves. Also for the chat, thank you Eric and Steven, Steven Downs Legend for joining us and for essentially being awesome guests on today's stream. It was fun. It was a nice informative stream. I now have NDI on my desktop and my phone and I'll be broadcasting some of my video game playing from my phone so be careful. Well, yeah I don't remember I hadn't had anyone logged in to this and looked at the listener accounts that day. It wasn't just us. We had like a max of like 17 or 18 at one point. That was cool. That is awesome. See that's always strange to me because I can't think why people would want to listen. Don't worry I did it significantly once I started talking. Yeah, right. That's awesome. Anything else? Great radio team? I'm looking at the log. Sorry. Between Sunday of that week and Wednesday, we had 52 unique listeners on the station. I think that's based off IP address. Are you kidding? No, I'm not kidding. 52 people within that timeframe listened for some amount of time. So that could be one second. But yeah. Down to saying he listened Tim said he listened Justin someone I know said they listened Antonella listened. I can rattle off 5 or 6 people who probably you all wouldn't have listened. I wouldn't have assumed Stephen was listening. That's pretty cool. We should do it more. That was cool. And now that Meredith got the headphones? Yeah. No more earbuds. Yeah. I sent the list the link to my family and a couple of friends I mentioned I was doing the day of and they were like that's so cool. I could hear you and Jim and Maren talking the whole time. I think it's really cool to see across the globe who listened and Maren was saying so it was pretty cool. The thing is with the diaspora of social media Twitter was always a really good place at least for some of the work I've done to bring everyone together and I feel like Mastodon the more we use it I feel like it's becoming that and Reclaim Radio has its own channel on our Reclaim Rocks Mastodon server and it can be a place where one of the channels where we can let people know we're on the air and we do it internally on our Slack but I think Mastodon I don't know I could care less about threads and all the other bigger social media big blue whatever that thing is called I'm in it for Mastodon and just kind of like that focused smaller community because that's really who you want to connect with and I think the webhook you created Taylor to pull it right into our Slack where it already kind of is is beautiful and that's just using Zapier which we use for a lot of different things and Zapier is not the cheapest thing if you're an individual but for a company like us I think it's easily worth the price we're paying but Zeracast has really nice API and webhook support built right into it it kind of walks you through it and then the reason I have to run it through Zapier is to format it in the way I want because I'm picky I need to have my little now playing emoji which is nice though but yeah I guess for a background we are pulling in every song as the songs change as someone broadcasts those are pulled in as notifications into a Slack channel which is super cool for us internally because people can just hop on and be playing stuff like Jason was I think yesterday which is super cool or maybe two days ago but nope it would have so that was not hard to set up and it was super cool yeah super cool I think the other thing I know we have to go we're going over time and I know everybody has a life besides this radio stream but the other thing I was thinking about and I'm pulling in Amanda because I don't remember now what I was going to say Amanda I feel for you right now because now I don't know what I was going to say current brain damn it anyway it's a good way to end it right non-professional stream see everybody next time bye thanks for watching y'all bye bye