 What they gonna do with me now? I'm still a twerk of the town. I'm getting assistance. I'm hooking them down. Reaching the smiles and the frowns. Gang hop out, then we clarin' up. And you're tuned in to another Talk of the Town interview. And who do I have in the building today? On point like OP. Right, right, huh. Told him kick it work. Trying to get ready. Right, right, huh. All in her stomach. If she gonna let me up. Off the cost of me go. Got her movin' daddy. On point like OP. How you feeling? Great. You feelin' great. Okay. So you give me these little short answers. They coolin' over. We gonna start off with a little icebreaker. So we gonna do rapid fire. You gotta say the first thing that comes to your mind, right? Let's go. Your name? OP. Zodiac sign? Sadge. Fun fact? Money. Money is a fun fact. That's the first thing that came to mind. Unpopular opinion? Uh... I'm a bully. Your best pickup line? I can't give you that. Oh, we can't get the source? No. Wait. Something that you'll never forget. Uh... They all lost someone close. Biggest turnoff? Liars. Artists who should stop making music? 80% of them. One artist that should stop making music? Nah. You know you're from New York, if... Pause. Artists that should be disowned as a New Yorker? Batmans. You know what? You're getting me a little upset. Why? The people that sound like Batman. Okay, Batmans. Best album of all time. Best album of all time? My brother's keeper ain't come out yet. Okay, craziest DM. Craziest DM? I don't know. That's a lot of weird shit that goes on to the DM. Freaky things. Not even all the time. It don't even gotta be freaky. What's the craziest thing somebody's slitting your DMs to say? Anything. People be talking gangster in my DM. I get threats, death threats of us every week. Really? You be reading them? Yeah. You be responding to them? Never. No. Leave them on scene. Nah. Okay. If I get drunk, I probably got Tom. Probably right one. So I got Tom today. But I got Tom today. I got Tom today because... Oh, I thought you... Nasty as food. Nasty as food? Damn. Taco Bell. Fuck it. Something you looking forward to? Being a billionaire. One word to describe the end of the year. Let. And one word to describe... One word to describe OP. On point. Okay. So we broken ice already. So let's get into it. Happy November is the first of the month. Definitely looking forward to... Yes. Looking forward to the end of the year. How's your year been so far? I feel like it's been great. I've been consistent. I did a lot more than I could have. I mean, I did decent. I could do more. I always feel like I could do more. But what do you measure that on? You could do more in terms of your music? Everything. In life. More money. More success. More consistent. Everything. I feel like I could just do more. I mean, I think that everything is relative. And I think we all do that to ourselves. But it's interesting to see how much that you've done actually. And the fact that you still feel like you need to do more. I feel like I did nothing. That's interesting. Okay, but we're going to get into that. All right. So OP, let me know how did you get started in this whole music industry? Because there's so many people that fuck with you. You have years and years and years in this shit. So let us know where did it all start? Started. In my crib. In my mom's house. Okay. For the people that don't know, let's set the scene. You and your mom's crib. What borough are we in? Caduceus. Brooklyn. Okay. Continue. Yeah. I'm sure. I used to just try to rap. I used to try to rap to myself. My brother used to always hear me. I never went to a studio or nothing. Never took it serious. Then one day he went to the studio. I guess he tried to rap. I wasn't with him. Probably didn't go out. How are you playing? Came back. Tell me like, yo, I got a studio. You need to come. You can rap. I didn't dub it because I never tried it. Knock when I ain't tried. Brought me. I rapped. Everybody was jacking in. It felt like it just felt right. It just felt like my son always needed to do. Okay. And how long ago was that? Now eight years. Eight years. Okay. So you said that your brother was the one that encouraged you to do music. Which brother is this? Scrap. Scrap. Okay. And you talk about Scrap a lot. My brother's keeper. Of course we know it's coming out. Talk to us a little bit about like what role he played in your life. And just like what that relationship is like. I don't know. Well, he's my older brother. He ain't that older than me. He one year older than me. But he's still my older brother. So it's like, I don't know. He felt he always picked up where I lacked. He was like my manager. He was my manager. It's not like my manager. He was my manager. He was just teaching me what I didn't know. And he was more like he was intrigued about it as much as me. So it's like, I didn't know. We didn't know nine. I ain't know about a 12 or 16 or double in and out. None of that. I didn't even know how much a studio costs. So we was like, we was learning together, but he was more ambitious than me. Honestly. Cause I felt like sometimes as someone on the outside looking in, you could see more than the other person. So I really didn't see it. So I just knew I wanted to rap. I didn't know where it was going with it. Right. Okay. So if you had to describe it, and you'll see why I'm saying this. If you had to describe yourself in three words at that time, when you first started making music, how would you describe yourself? When I first started making music. Yeah. That's crazy. I don't know. There's so much things that I think about myself. I don't want to say. When you first started making music, take yourself back to eight years ago. Happy, clueless, man. Happy, clueless, and ready. Happy, clueless, and ready. Okay. So as somebody who's just getting started, you have your brother on your side, y'all learning at the same time. How was it learning that like everything you think in this industry isn't always going to work? It's a lot of trial and error. Like how did that feel knowing that you were so ready, but you also weren't ready at the same time? I feel like that's life. You live to learn. If you don't live, you won't learn. So I feel like certain shit has just got to happen. If it doesn't happen, then you would have just been moving. Right. And of course now I feel like you've kind of taken on that like big brother role. To a lot of people who are in the industry and up and coming now. Do you think that the relationship that you have with your brother impacted the way that you are to other people? Yeah, definitely. And what ways? My brother's always caring and giving. He does for others. Feel like that rubbed off on me whether I wanted it to or not. I don't feel like I've been selfish, but I think of doing things more now. Like I think of it more now. Like I don't just like some people is just in the act. Like I'll do some shit out of just service. But some shit I do attention. Like I want to help this person. I feel like I don't have no ill intent. I just know I could do something. So I was like, why not do it? If I know I could do it, I need to do it. That's how I feel about certain shit. And not to say that you have reciprocation in your mind when you do things. But is there any times that you actually get it back? Because I feel like you dish out a lot. I feel like, honestly, I feel like I get less than what I give out. But fuck it. It is what it is. It is what it is. It's not going to stop me from being me. Sometimes I felt like it. I had people tell me that. And I'm like, nah. If I stop doing it on a tent because someone did something bad to me, then I'm going to be changing who I am because of the person. So it's like, I'd rather be who I am. So you would be changing who you are. So who is OP? I know I gave you three words to describe yourself before, but I want you to give me, you know what? Let's pick. Let's pick. Let's pick. Let's pick. Let's pick. You know what? Let's pick. Let's pick a song and a movie that would describe you. That would capture who OP is. A song and a movie. A song. Damn. That's crazy. A song and a movie. Let's go. You could pick the movie first and what song will be like in the soundtrack. Let's go. Movie. A mile. It's my favorite movie. Okay. A little eminem in there. So why a mile? I feel like it's a lot of shit. My mom is white. So that's one thing. My mom was in like Trella Park, but I was, my mom was a single mom. Shit. It's a certain shit I relate to. Eminem was like a white black boy. I'm like, I'm probably the closest thing to a white black boy where I'm from. So it's like shit like that. Some people doubt him and he always has faith in himself. I feel like that about me. Sometimes he's been nervous. Like at his biggest points, I feel like that happened to me before. People just want to know you know. And then it's just like he was just always had a vision and stuck to it. That was probably the best movie ever. Okay. And what song has to be on the soundtrack? That was keep the same soundtrack, keep the song, everything the same. Oh, you would keep the same, everything. Okay. That's fair. So now when it comes to OP, of course, I have to ask you on point like OP is a very long name. Where did that come from? Came from a saying. My name was just OP, but my friend, one day he was like, my son Kaleel, when he was in high school, he was like, you know, I never super side on point like OP. Like, oh, that's fire. Oh, that's a heat. Like, yeah, that's fire. Yeah, really. I'm like, you're never super side on one point like OP and one point. In fact, I'm always on point like me. I'm like, fuck it. And I just use it as a slogan. Now it's time. I didn't even mean it to end up being my artist name. Like I fake rebranded myself without knowing I was rebranding myself. Because before people used to always tell me like, oh, OP is man hard to search up. So I needed to change it. They used to tell me put OP 1090. And I never wanted to attach it to my name. I don't know. I just never wanted to. So it's like, all right. That's how I went on. I just started putting on point like OP. And then it just stuck. So I was like, fuck it. I don't care. It's still me. So I don't really care. I feel like people have never, some people that never met me is going to call me on point like OP. People that know me and be like OP. Right. So do you think that it's important to have a name like that that will stick out? Because you said that people were never going to find you. Was it just because it was two letters? Or do you think it was because it was like, there's OP in so many different words? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was a multiple reason. Like even when you do a YouTube search, it's man hard to find OP on a YouTube search. So that's what it really was about. Okay. When after a time, but I never cared about it because I got the name organically. I just got it in the streets. So it's like, fuck it. I didn't think of more of it. I wasn't thinking hard of it. And I always liked the name because it made sense. Okay. So for those that haven't seen OP's interviews, he makes it very clear that he stays on point, just like his name. So I want you to give us three things to stay on point that you could do to stay on point like OP. And then three things that people do that's not, that's really lacking, I would say. Yeah. All right. Sure. Three things you could do to stay on point like OP, watch your surroundings. Do not send your location to people you do not fuck with. Do not try to send your location, period. Send the location to down the block. Send them pull up. They got to call you when they get there. That's number three. Don't post in real time. Save it and post it for later. Yeah. If you're a person of interest, you shouldn't be posting in real time. Now I know that a lot of people... And if you feel like you're not safe there, you're not safe there. You should know that. Right. Right. And I know that a lot of people have been saying like, don't post in real time following PNB's death, wrestling feasts to PNB. Was that always the way that you moved or is that something that just like... I don't know. You never posted in real time. Barely hardly ever. In the past, catch me out the country. I'm posting in real time. I mean it because nobody find you. That's what I mean. You got to know when to do it. It's a time and a place for everything. If I post in real time and I'm in my crib, you're damn right. I mean, obviously nobody know where you at. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You got to... It's a time and a place for everything. So... But don't just start... Don't start feeling too comfortable. Right. Don't get too comfortable. So how do you handle like your friends? Because I know that you don't roll by yourself. Yeah. You know, there's a lot of people with you. Are they all on code? Or like, is there some kind of... I feel like everyone should know it's common knowledge. And then if you don't know, you're going to get on to him. Are you going to do it? Nah, nah, nah, bro. We're not doing that right now. Save that for later. Common is not that common. Yeah, common is not that common. I see the people you roll with, they on time. They know what's up. It's like a job. You get a screening. We screen you out. You good? You can roll. Oh look, now I'm interested. What else? What else you look for? What else you be looking for with the niggas that you roll with? Nah, that's the main thing right there. Just be OP. So when I'm not, you got to. Because I'm the hardest. So certain times I may be... I'm not on point. I got to cater to my fans. I got to cater to people. I got to be a people's person. So it's like... Yeah, well you definitely are a people's person. Both in the business and when it comes to making your music. You've been working with some people that like, you know, we will consider legends in hip hop game like Jim Jones. So how was that getting the opportunity to like work with Jim Jones and people who you may have been listening to? Oh, shit. How was it working with Jim Jones? I feel like it was really big for me because when a lot of people don't know, I grew like working around Jim Jones because a tribe brought me around Jim and then when I first started rapping, I didn't know what a 12 or 16 was. The tribe told me that and Jim was there. So Jim told me about ad-libs. He told me the points of it. That's why I love ad-libs so much. That's a crazy thing. He's one of the reasons. What's your favorite ad-lib? Because he told me Bowling was made off of ad-libs alone and they ain't like, yo bro, he's like, ad-libs could make a break a song. So he was like, you just keep that in mind. I'm like, all right. What's your favorite ad-lib to use? Pussy. You know. No, no. Regular shit, free-scribe. Do you know like the ad-libs that you're going to use in a song while you're recording it? Or do you listen to a back end ad-lib? No, no, no. Yeah, you already know. I don't know why it's called that. Pussy, yeah. I'll be here. I'll probably accidentally say it. I'll be here. Or something ready to say. And like, yo pussy. They'll be like, yo. Yeah. Uh-huh. So, um, okay. So how do you, what do you think about like, the niggas like Jim or Jewiles? Like, you know, they still making music now in 2022. How do you feel like they keeping up with what's going on now? I feel like, yeah, no, they definitely in tune and they definitely care about what we think about it. They care about our input. So I really feel like I value them and they value us. The feeling is mutual. I feel like Jim is definitely a legendary OG and I appreciate it. Mm-hmm. So who are you listening to growing up? Oh, Dipset, G-Unit. And I'm not even saying that because Jim Jones, Coastal, everybody. I was influenced by Dipset. I had older brothers, but Dipset, um, G-Unit, really 50 cent more than the old G-Unit, honestly. I ain't throwin' no shade to them. That's just me, um, Eminem, um, who else? No, I wouldn't even lie. Outcast at one point, they was so popular. Oh, okay. We could not not listen to them. It's not like I used to request to put them on, but it used to, I liked it when it came on. Mm-hmm. Like, all the videos. So you say, hey. Yeah. That's just fire. Okay. When it came on. Um, who is fire? Um, yeah. Okay. So you have, like, a good solid list of, um, artists that you were listening to. Now, as a business and as an artist, does what you were listening to impact, like, what you look for in, like, who you work with or who you sign? No? I feel like it's a new generation. So it's like, that's not what I look for. I don't know. Is it, does it impact you as an artist? What, what I used to listen to? Mm-hmm. Does it impact me as an artist? Some people, like, find inspiration in the artists that they used to listen to. Some people create their own. Yeah, I feel like I found inspiration from my own things in my life. Okay. I used to more relate to them because they was saying shit that I wanted to say, well, I related to regular music shit. Right. That's just how music is. Uh-huh. I ain't feeling, you know, I feel like I already had events in my life that inspired me to rap. So when it comes to your sound. Mm-hmm. Dude, does anybody inspire that? Or is that just? I feel like I sound like nobody. I probably say words that are similar to people. Honestly, I've always, people, like, my A and R, Bobby, shout out, Bobby. You try to say I sound like juvenile. I've never heard that in my life. I do not feel like I sound like juvenile. Shout out to Bobby. Yeah, thank you. I don't think so either. I'm not going to lie. That's what I'm going to say. But it's like, I never really heard too much comparisons that I've never, I've never really heard no comparisons. So to me, I feel like I don't sound like nobody, but everybody feeds up and stuff, but I feel like I wanted to, I fucked with Jewels. Jewels was one of my favorite rappers growing up, but I don't feel like I sound like him. So it's like. So how do, how do your friends feel about your music? I don't know. You don't know? They don't be telling you nothing or you don't ask for like they give me input. You got to go into detail what they feel about my music. Niggas said they fuck with my shit. Niggas playing my shit all the time. So it's like, I'm trying to understand what you mean. I'm trying to say, like, do they like your music? Like, do you ask your friends for feedback? Oh, yeah, yeah. I feel like if they don't give feedback and that means they don't fuck with it. Okay. So I'd be like, certain shit don't need to be said. Certain shit, I feel like you're going to know. And this is like, you're going to go forward with it. But nine times out of 10 years, I always want feedback. I've been rapping too long to not take criticism. I feel like I always take criticism. And I feel like people hear me say it and they think they just, they can just give out their opinions. Uh huh. It counts. Like, I'm so, we don't need to hear it only if it matters. Sometimes I don't care about certain people's shit, but I take heed. I try to a lot. Because OP, I'm not going to lie. It do seem like you got a lot of estimate in your corner. So it seems like that. I'm really not going to lie. Like, it does seem like it has. I feel like everybody is not yes man, but everybody is not as musically talented as other people. So with some one person here is another person. You might hear that, you know, I might be, I sound better on these beats to them. They literally listen to what I'm saying. And they're probably with me living certain these shits or they seen certain these shits. So they relate to it. So no, it doesn't matter what beat it was on. They relate to the lyrics. Some people listen for the lyrics. Some people listen for the production. Some people listen for both. So it's like, I'll be understanding. So I try to take heed to everything. Okay. So when you make music, is there anything that you focus on the most? Well, the lyrics. I feel like, yeah, me, I don't say, I don't know. I go off the vibe and definitely the lyrics. It's the vibe and the lyrics. I try to just stay in pocket, ride the beat and, you know, definitely I care about what I'm talking about. So when you post a song, post a video, do you read the comments? Yeah. What do you think about what people have to say about you? Some people want attention. Some people hate, they want attention. Some people genuinely want to give me their opinion. They don't know how to say it or some people mean good. So it's like, every good comment isn't good. Some people are just dick riders looking for attention. And every comment, every bad comment isn't really bad. Cause you know, I'm not, I, this is my opinions out of it. But a lot of the time when your music is involved and it gets posted, you have a lot of people who comment like, he needs to give it up. He needs to stop making music. So like, what do you have to say to those people that feel like you need to just hang it up? I have a list of rappers. I have a list of rappers that I can name. That is way worse than me. But I would not do that. I would not throw shade towards rappers. I would not do this and I'll be the bitch nigga. But I have a list, a very list. And we could go off camera maybe. I definitely want to go off camera. Long, they drill rappers and all that. They wack as shit. And they just be calling me wack. And I don't understand. I don't understand. Every time OP, every time. Yeah, I know. I feel like it's fun to throw shade. But even Ray Ray said it to me like another time. He was like, everybody that hate on you, he's like, I'll even tell you, but you got nicer, bro. So if niggas keep saying you wack, they just don't like you at this point. And that's how I start to feel. And I don't care. You don't like me. I got money. I got rap money. Fuck street money. Fuck what we talking about. I got what people want. You making money off the song. I got what people want. And I know how to keep making money. So it's like, man, I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing. People don't like Freddie Gibbs. He sell records. I don't know him. I got none against him. Niggas don't like a lot of niggas that sell records. Niggas don't like Russ. He sell records. Niggas don't like a lot of niggas. I like Russ. Niggas didn't like Lil Pump. He's a bozo and he was wack. He don't sell. And he sold records. But you don't need to like me. You don't need to like me. Okay. So you don't let the comments get to you. No, I don't. Because at first, yeah, at first it is. Because I used to, but I really feel like I got better. And now y'all just on my dick. Now on my dick. You see, I'm not listening to these songs. You're too busy riding dick. I need to go listen to the song. Listen to the stick up. Listen to the host say that. Listen to Tata. Anything I drop in the whole fucking 2022. And you say it's wack. You are my dick. Listen to the host say that. I kiss the floor. I kiss the floor. I'm good. I stand with confidence as I am right now. I'm good. They just big ride of me. I done sat down. I done had niggas like uppercall me wack. Sit down. I'm not wack. So what the fuck does that mean? Okay. Okay. So what you're saying is they talking, but when they see you in person, they'll be a different story. That's what I took from that. I've been talking this before. So either I got nicer or they just, people don't like me. Okay. So, all right. And I'm just using up as an example. This is the only person that had something to say about me that I actually got to meet. So I give up for his ratings. But when you pulled up, you said that he said you was good. Yeah, but I felt like that. I felt like I didn't get better. So it's like, fuck it. I got to pull them up on it. Like, how am I wack? And you have to go into detail. Now I'm going to have comparison. I'm going to compare this person. Look at the material. I'm going to compare someone to me and ask you, is they wack to you? I'm like, all right. They not wack to you. So how the fuck am I wack? Because they wack to me. And I'm going to explain how they wack. Okay. But you never thought that maybe you're wack and somebody else is wack or just different. So shit. They better start explaining. I cannot wait. They better get into detail. Because you don't listen to niggas. Bro, oh my God. OP as much? I bet some on this. Someone do their top five wack niggas. That's not their ops. And they serious. I'm going to do mine. And I'm serious. Okay. I want to be the niggas. Y'all heard it here first. I'll be the first. Y'all heard it here first in OP. Oh my God. His lips is so true. As much as I want to continue this interview, I cannot wait until the cameras come off. Because I really want to know. Who's on your list? I really want to know. Oh my God. I saw the pinky come out. That's going to the next question. I saw the pinky come out. All right. So we're going to pivot. You know, we see the 1090 on the chain. We know what's going on with that. But for the people who don't know, let us know what 1090 is and how it got started. 10 plus 90 means to be 100. 1090 got started by me and my brother's scrap 1090. Who's currently incarcerated, free scrap. But it was started just to better ourselves and better artists around us. As we noticed, we got a platform. We decided to make LLC and really use the brand. And we noticed how big the brand was. It started to be bigger than us in central. So it's like, um, why not use it and help, you know, kids. Right. So at what point did you start to see it pick up? Because I know, like as a business owner, sometimes like business can start off very slow. I don't know if it did for you. No, no, no, no. I feel like with any business, you got to live to learn. You're going to make mistakes. You're going to do bad business decisions. It's meant to happen. Some people are going to crash out worse. Some people are not. But, um, now definitely a learning experience. Um, still learning as I go. I feel like everybody's supposed to learn. If you stop learning, you're dumb. But, um, everything I always learned. Right. So, um, yeah, I'm just growing. But now definitely in the beginning, definitely wasn't making no money, but definitely always had a vision. So it's always not about the dollar. Right. Of course. But like, at what point did it start to change? Um, I would say, um, I say right before I link Bobby and Roddy. So pivoting back to 1090. How has it been managing, um, the label with your brother who's incarcerated? What is that like? Not easy. But I feel like nothing is easy. But I feel like it's more not easy now with my brother. My brother gives great ideas, great advice. It'll be, it'll be easier with him here. Of course it was to help at hand. I feel like he's an in person that influenced himself. So certain links he would have got on his own. But, um, um, it's not easy period. It's just not easy anything. I don't tell anybody that. It's not easy working with artists, artists. I know this as being an artist. And sometimes I know more than my brother and my other business partners. It's like, artists are emotional. It comes with a lot of emotion. So it's like, me knowing this helps me deal with artists and they outbreak work. They probably try to get disrespectful in some form or way. But so it's like, yeah. So I take heed to certain shit. But it's just only cause I'm on both sides of the fence. Okay. So what's the situation that is like something that you really learned from being in this industry for so long? What's something that has happened that either got you tight, you wasn't expecting? Don't invest in Cosign No One. This is regular business. You should know this. But then the common sense is not common, I guess. But do not invest in Cosign and nobody that is not on paperwork with you. So that was your experience? Don't go for word of mouth. No verbal contracts in this business. We're not doing that. Oh. How long ago did that happen to you? I don't know. I learned more than once, but I'm good. More than once? Care to share any stories? No, no, no. We're good. Okay. That's fine. So what's your slate looking like now? Who signed to 1090? Mula G's. That's it. That's it. Okay. Me and Mula G's. So as a music exec, how does it feel when you have an artist that gets locked up like Mula is now? I feel like, yeah. I feel like that's what makes me different than other label. That's just being an independent label and feel like I came from the streets and I care about incarceration. I feel like certain shit you do not have control of. Yeah. It's like, you could have planned it. I didn't really know. I didn't know that Mula was going to jail, but I'm not going to put him to blame for nothing. It's like, certain shit just happened. I'm so sorry, but it's a flaw in your shoulder that was just pissing me off to look at. It's trying to let you know. Do you say it's trying to let you know you flaw? Please. It's about you now. So what do you look for when it comes to signing people? What would you consider to be star quality? Ambitious. Have a backstory. Anybody want a story to sell? Unity. People love to buy into families. I feel like, you know, once you're unified, that's how you show love to your man and be your friends for no month. Man, believe it or not. Show love to your friends. You feel me? And shit like that. It's like, I judge you on character too. I'm big on that, man. I judge you on character. But your talent plays a big part. I'm big in the talent. And you're driving it. I feel like Mula will work without me telling it. Mula will go to the studio without me telling it. Mula will shoot videos without me telling it. Mula wants it. I don't have to tell them to want it. I can't force you to want to be a star. And that'd be the other part with certain people. We wanted it more than them. And that was the problem. People be lazy. They don't know how much you work. You really have to put in. Someone would be in my shoes and feel like they did enough. I feel like I didn't even do enough. You said that at the top of everything. That's just all it is. You can't make something. I feel like that's the main thing. Hard work be telling. They always say it really is. It's whack people out here. It's my fucking trash rockers. I said this earlier. It's my whack rappers. But they working hard. Them niggas would drop a video on their YT. Yeah. No effort. Niggas would overthink and go spend $5,000 on the outfit and didn't even market the video. So it's like, yeah. Okay. So who are like three people that if you could sign them tomorrow, you would want to sign? Three people. If I could sign them tomorrow, who are they? Let's do upcoming. I've been coming. You want to name people? No. I want you to name people. I want you to name people. You're being interviewed. I mean. Name one. Seven. Yeah. She signed already. Okay. It don't matter. Sign or not. I didn't know that. I was thinking that. Nah. Yeah. Of course. I'll sign them. She's talented. I'll sign most. I'll sign Lola. I'll sign them. I'll fucking sign. I'll sign most of the girls. I'll sign them too. Okay. She's marketable. Her music, I feel like, but she's just new. So that people probably feel bad because she's bigger than me and I'm saying this. I feel like she just needs to work on her shit. So what do you think? So when it comes to something like that. I feel like her looks is catchy. Her verses are going to just mean more solid. She's just got to build more confidence. That's going to come with time and know this is her sound. Really know like, yo, this is your sound. And how do you feel about the way that people have been receiving her? Because I mean she's blowing up. You just said that she's bigger than you. I don't want to misquote you. That's what you just said, right? She has a bigger record. But, you know, with that, there are a lot of people, especially from New York, who are talking about her as well and saying she's a one hit wonder and that they don't think that she deserves to be where she's at. What do you think about that? I feel like I don't try to count no one out. That's the main thing. So I feel like I wish the best for her. I hope she's not. Shout out to Ice Bice. And you did your thing with Bikini Bottom Girl. So it's like, exactly. And that's another record. So if that goes anywhere as big as much, that's what they're going to say. She got lucky. So it's like, they're going to always throw shade. I hope the best for her. Okay. So, you know, unfortunately today was a very sad day in hip hop. We got news that Take Off passed away. As an artist, what are your thoughts when you hear about stuff like that with other rappers being killed? I feel like, and we all knew this, being a person of interest is dangerous. I hate when they try to specify on being an artist. Being an artist it is. It's because we're more in the spotlight. We spend more than other people, but anybody with money and clout is in danger. Period. And his situation is very sad. It's unfortunate. But it wasn't due to rap. I don't feel like it was due to rap. It's a situation from when we hear, it's the wrong place, the wrong time. And it's just sad. I don't gamble because it's just certain shit I don't like. I don't like how niggas talk when they gamble. I'm not having certain niggas talk to me in certain ways. So it's like, me knowing that, I'm not gonna gamble because I may escalate situations. But that's me just being smart. So that's just like certain shit I'll stay away from. I just feel like you just gotta be smart. Stay on point, literally. Watch your surroundings. Think for the worst. Plan for the best. Anything can happen anyway. So how do you feel about when stuff like that happens, even though like you said, it wasn't related to rap or anything? The conversation always comes up after that. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. About against the rap. Yeah, I know. But how do I feel about that? I feel like it just puts me more on my pees and cues. I can't stop living my life. So it's like, I just gotta be more aware, more on point and just try to learn from their mistakes. Don't put myself in those situations. So when it comes, like what's the balance between like, when you start getting that attention, you start getting that cloud, where do you think is the balance between places and things you can do when you're like lit that you can do without security that you can like feel comfortable versus things that you have to be on point, have security and all that out for you. I feel like, man, sure. You could try to be right, man. This is life. There's no telling when and when and when and what something's gonna happen. You could feel when the most comfortable shit can happen at your house. Like the baby shot someone in his house. It's like, you never know when something can happen. It's just like, man, you're just supposed to be prepared for the worst. Okay. It's sad to say in life. Right. It's like, you would want to have security majority of the time, but sometimes even the baby said at certain points I could agree with some security. Some of them are just higher guns. They don't not. They're not going to really shoot. They can't really protect. They're just there to, they just a person with a gun. That don't mean they're going to throw their life away for you. You're just another paycheck. I just got paid $700 today for you. Right. You think I'm gonna die for you for that $700? Compared to your friend that been slept with you, seen you broke, seen everything. Come on. He probably going to die for that $700. Right. This other nigga, run, take cover first like NYPD protocol, take cover first and then respond. So you would... It's like, I'll be already dead and then you killed the killer after. I'm fucking mad. Right. So you... The fuck is you talking about? I'm ready to fight. So you prefer not fighting in heaven. First of all, you would not be fighting in heaven with your killer. I'm gonna tell you that. Shit, shit. Because you might be there, but I can't guarantee that they'll... He's back down. He did this shit to me. I ain't even hit. Fuck that. Cut that nigga up. You just fight. You might have to take a trip to other direction because I don't know if you'll meet the killer up there. I'll keep going. So, okay. So I know that you work with a lot of the younger up-and-coming artists. And of course they're seeing what's happening. They talking about a lot of this gangster shit as well. What are those conversations like outside of the music? Like do you talk to them on a personal tip about this kind of stuff? Once I watch it, you gotta know you are of value. Don't feel like just cause you're not making money, someone don't feel like you are worth money and they will take your life for the plus spot that you got. And men, just try to stay out the way as much as you can. It sound easy. I mean, it sound easy, but yeah, it could be hard sometimes, but just stay focused, bro. It's a bigger picture. Everybody gotta remember, you're not rapping just for clout. You're rapping to take your moms out the hood or take yourself out the hood. Just stay focused. So speaking of the youngins, you were promoting Lil Scrap Heavy. Of course I know that that's your nephew. And I know now there are a lot of other young artists such as like Didi Osama, Sugar Hill, Didi and stuff. What are your thoughts on the young, young dudes? I have a lot of them. What's your thoughts on them? I feel like I don't know. I don't want to say. For me, I feel like Lil Scrap, yeah, he was young, but... How would I say? Lil Scrap took all the shade so they could shine. That's how I really feel. I feel like a lot of people do shade on him when he was just being a rapper and these kids, I feel like they give off a little bit more than that than what Mind If You was giving off. And it's like, hey, I don't know. Yeah, because they were in the comments. That's what I would really say. He took the shade so they could shine because right now it seems cool for them to do this. And when he was doing it, I'd seen all the backlash. I dealt with it. I was the one outside where... It's still happening, low-key, because I was in the comments. I was in the comments and I see it, but what are your thoughts even outside of the backlash? I feel like they just need to be music. That's the main thing. When they start taking it outside of music, they're losing their self. I don't think none of them little kids hurt nobody. They don't fuck what they got to say. They can fool me. They don't give a fuck. They probably punch somebody. They don't give a fuck out of it. So it's cool. So when you were working with Lil Scrap, was he actually enjoying it and doing that, or was that, yeah? We didn't make him do music. At first he was doing TikToks and shit, honestly. I'm not TikToks dancing more because I don't know if he was posting on TikToks. That's why I say TikTok because dancing is more TikTok based. But he was really dancing and just trying to be like a person in videos at first. Now I feel like he didn't get the attention that he wanted because every little kid really wanted to be famous. That's what I feel. They didn't want to be famous. They don't know nothing about money. Until now, the internet makes them know about money. But they don't really know what they could do with money. They think they really focused on the money part. They really focused on the power. Absolutely not. They want to have fun. They want to be lit. I'm sure people was coming up to his door. I felt like he wasn't getting the attention with the dancing as he wanted to. And then people was always telling him, try rapping. Mad rappers. He's always around rappers because he's with me. Everybody's always telling me this. And you know what? I can't help but to think, not to say that you're wrong with what you're saying, but I can't help but to think that the reason why he got so much backlash is because people thought that it was something that y'all would force him to do. No, I know. And now it's like with the DDs. It looks like they... This is what someone explained it. Little Scrap was rolling with us. We're grown. What the fuck does he look like? I'm not doing that in a video with my nephew. For real. I'm grown. I'm being real. He little... Dare with other little kids of their age in the same... They're all doing the same shit. If he had other little niggas that was doing what he was doing, they would have looked the same. He was the only one. He was the outcast. And he's with mad grown men. All of us ain't moving like that. So it's like, bro, we have the structure to him. Yeah, he's rapping about it. That's why I went in French Montana and said the best. I feel like we was in him. He's still in a better position than them. No thorn, no shade to them. We're like the friend... We're like the little Wayne to this shit. Little Scrap is little Wayne, bro. We're grown niggas talking this life, but it's like... If you look at Little Wayne's story and compare it to Little Scrap, I feel like it goes coincide. And I didn't think of this. French Montana told me that personally. I feel like he little Wayne, niggas don't understand, just keep doing what y'all doing. So you're saying Little Scrap walked so that the niggas now could run? Yeah, I really feel like that. He got all the backlash, so now they can shine. Because now I feel like they would try not to give him his credit because some of them probably feel like he's a op because he did songs with K-Flock, but I know he influenced them. He's still the youngest flexor. My nephew is only 12 years old. Or 11 years old. He's way younger than all of them. He been doing it before them. He has millions of views before them. So they could try to discredit him. He did it before them. Whether he takes a break, comes back in two years. He's still great in a great position. I feel like so. I don't complain. Okay. I mean, for me, it's just so crazy because they're so young. Yeah, I wanted to be a kid. The most important... Yeah, that's what I was going to say. The most important part. I'm not forcing shit on him. So it's like, y'all don't see him right now. He's doing what he wants. That's why I... Being a kid as he should. He's doing his thing. So in the same way, how he wanted to do music, he's going to do the same shit. Right. All right. So we're going to take a little break from the interview questions and we're going to get into another game. So I'm going to ask you or give you rather a series of scenarios and you're going to tell me how you will move on point, like OP in these situations. All right. So you in the studio, you're doing your thing, cooking up and you look over and you see an engineer in your ops telling them that you not only in the studio but they valid to pull up for this session right after yours. Oh yeah. We spanking him and I'm out of there. You spanking an engineer and you out of there? Yeah, I'm spanking him. Taking his phone and all of that. Okay. So what comes after that? Now are you telling people that he moved like OP and he did this? No, I'm good. It's just, it happens you never fuck with him again. I'm never going to that studio again. That's my safety was compromised. I don't feel safe and he should know he was going to beat up because he should be self-explanatory. It'd be fine. Okay. So next scenario you go through your girlfriend's phone and you see that you know, you're just scrolling through the Insta and a little notification pops up and it's like, okay, bet. You click the message and she just sent her phone number to some random nigga that you don't know. She's clipped. What you do? She's clipped? You're not asking no questions or nothing? I probably tried but girls is good liars. So it's no point. Y'all should premeditated in your head. Y'all probably said any excuse. Again, money with the niggas, some type of shit. I don't want to hear this. Yeah. So you're not giving the benefit of the doubt in that situation? Once you start, once you start creating doubt is you start losing each other. Okay. So are you saying the doubt came from you checking the phone in the first place or did the doubt come from you? So you don't check phones? No, I did before. That's like a bad, bad drip. All right. You got to live to learn though. Okay. But you don't check phones down. Yeah. Right now. So you need a reason to go through phone. Yeah. If I don't trust you, I'm good. But if you don't, I'm not going to go through the phone. So if I don't trust you, I'm leaving you now. Because I'm doing it and escalated. I don't want to bring myself to that point. I completely agree. I am not a girl that goes through the phones because I don't want to see nothing that, yeah. If I even feel like it, I'm good. Okay. So you at your girlfriend's birthday dinner, she got a table of 12. You sitting right next to her, she at the head of the table, and heads go, doom, doom, doom. Who is it? Who is it? Who is it? And they all looking at you. Yeah. That's our counter. Doom, doom, doom. And I started doing math. Like, hell, hold up. I went to school. I got me and her. Just deduct. What is all everybody else doing? Y'all took shots and shit. Now that y'all had the lobster. That made the bill go up. Okay. So you not paying for meals at birthday dinners? Hmm. All right. So if you're pre-intended, if I already knew this is what I was doing, then yeah, granted. Okay. But if y'all just putting it on me, no, I don't respect that. I'm not a sucker. I'm not a traitor. You gotta be the one to initiate it. It can't be expected. No, I gotta be pre-meditated. Okay. Let me know. Me and my friends going out, dinner's on you, baby, please. Then let's do this. I okayed it from the beginning. It's not like this is a surprise. I got too much pride where I'm not gonna tell these other females no. Okay. But in a situation like a birthday dinner where you- They don't pay because they got too much pride. Oh, yeah, I'm fucking her. I'm not fucking everyone. I'm not asking that. Like y'all are fucking tonight? Y'all following? Get down niggas to pay now. Like I know I'm fucking her tonight. So it's like a lot of bills right now. I didn't know I was doing all of this. If I knew this, if I knew pre-meditated, I would- But OP, it's a birthday. You knew- You should have knew her birthday from when y'all first started talking. I have plans on spending thousands of dollars on gifts. Okay. Big gifts in my head for birthdays. All right. So I'm looking at dinner like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. Y'all wanted to celebrate with her. Okay. I'm celebrating her. So y'all want to be here, pay your way. All right. You got to pay your way. I mean, hey, personally, if my nigga want to pay for the dinner, that's cool. But I think it's wild for everybody to expect. That's what I'm saying. If you're expecting it in your head, you got to- I do think that's wild. If I understand, some people don't got it. I have no choice but to put up the extra. But yo, bro, y'all think automatically, he's the bank. Yeah, you lost me. You're done. You're done here. Man's right here. Right now. We're going to end it. We're done. All right. All right. So when you go out with your men's, we go out with the bros. How y'all be handling the bill? Y'all be splitting it? Is there somebody- It depends on the mood. I'm telling you the truth. Okay. It might be one nigga, but I got it. I said, no. Niggas ain't arguing. You got it. Right. Who's going to complain about that? Some day niggas might look at each other. Y'all, you pay for his own shit. Oh, I know what day this is. Okay. Oh, he on that. He pay for his own shit. All right. You got to communicate without even communicating. Right. It's understood. What is understood don't got to be said. It don't got to be explained. Keep paying for his shit. Or when they wringing it up, y'all separate. I know what it is. Nah, I'm sorry. But it's always something about that first person saying separate checks. That's like- I don't feel no way out. You set the tone. No, no, no, no. You definitely set the tone. I definitely agree. The tone is set. I'm good. I definitely agree. But are you ever to separate checks, nigga? Or are you the one that waiting for the person to do it? The person to do it. Nigga, I seen you with you. You ordered too much. I mean, just cut this shit right now. I don't know what the fuck you thought just went on. You're bugging. You're bugging the fuck out. I'm telling you this right now. You had too many shots. I didn't even drink that much. Nah. You said separate. Them shit's expensive. We could have got a bottle. I think you used my head. More important, you're bugging. Okay, okay. Nah, you're bugging. All right. So next scenario. Who's your favorite artist right now? Who's the artist that you would love to work with? Everybody would love to work with Drake. Give me a song right now. Okay. All right. Move. All right. So you get a chance to work with Drake. Yeah. Y'all get in the stool. And he like, you know what? I don't care what you got already. We going to come up with some shit right now on the spot. You start writing and you catch writer's block. I'm asking him. You asking him to write? I'm already in the room with Drake. I'm not ruining my opportunity. Yo, bro, I'm nervous. I'm fucking. I might as well say you as big as shit. I don't need this shit to flop. You want to help me? Okay. You got writers. I don't feel like you should look at me no way. Like I'm telling you I need. Nah, I got some of it. You want to help me? Feel like I need some. Okay. I'm not because I ain't going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'll do it later. I'll come back. No, it's now and never. It's now and never. I'm going to be there. That when I take three hours spits and bullshit. He's going to be like, yo, bro. Nah, I'm going to be real. Like, yo, I ain't going to lie. You got me under pressure. Okay. So you asking him. So let's say he, he writes some shit for you. It come out good. Now when the song drop, are you telling that story? Yes. Don't give a fuck. Okay. I could write my own shit. I could do my own shit. You're not taking nothing from me. Yes, you help me. I take help from my friends in the studio at the time. I take help from Drake. I plan on recording. Come help me. I just think too much of this. Meek meek meek. Meek meek probably guys think I'm not a rap battle rap artist. You know what I mean? I'm not that. I'm trying to be rich. I'm pretty hood hood. I don't give a fuck about that. I'm rich, rich, rich. Drake. Heard you. Told you a shit, Obi. Right now. Right my shit. Platinum the night, right Drake? By telling that, like we're going to name this platinum. So name what a song. So you very much the numbers speak for themselves performance over actual, like writing. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Because that's what it kind of feels like to me. I'm saying no. I'm not. No, no, no, no. I like putting in work to it, but I'm not against a writer. Like I'm not. I don't have that much pride where I'm so in depth in my work where I feel a way if someone's helping me. So OP if let's say every time you drop a song, not to say your music is trash, but every time you drop a song, you get nothing but bad. Be back. Somebody reaches out to you and they be like, I've worked with this person. I worked with this person. Like, let me just write your shit. You will let them write all of your songs. No, that is never. No one can never write everything for me. Okay. Never. So you still want a piece of you song for me. Can never. You're like, could never. Okay. Can never. I'm taking out mad shit because you're going to. I know you're going to say some shit. I'm not jacking. So that doesn't represent me and I am my brand. I know this as a rapper. I'm the brand. So what I'm spending represents me. So you think you go give me some bullshit. Yeah. Kiss my ass. Kiss my ass. Delete that. Yo. Change that. All right, we good. You helped. You contributed. Right. So you still got to get writer's credit. Right. People don't notice your boy. Your man's going to give you two bars and he's supposed to be a writer on your shit. Mm-hmm. Literally. You be giving writer's credit? No. No. Okay. No, I just. You got to ask for your credit. But no, yes. Close mouth. Don't get fed. Fuck you think writers don't even get writer's credit if they don't say nothing. You're not wrong. You know, I did tell they ain't outside. Like, yo, I helped boy. You're not wrong. I just paid that. Yeah. I think even with the song that Rihanna just dropped, Tim's wrote it and she like posted it on her social media. You didn't know Shanti's shit. No, it goes to somebody. Oh, with J-Lo? Don't get me. No, Young Blue. Oh, okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay. Because I was about to say, we know that he was Shanti's J-Lo. Yeah, I don't even know that. But that's what I'm trying to tell you. It's like, it's my writers, but now writers don't be. I'm just saying I'm not, I'm not, I'm not against working with writers. I'm not. I'm at the point where I'm trying to grow. If you can't help me grow, grow. He showed and proved right there. He, he's a living statement not to say that. I respect niggas that write everything on their own and is doing great. I have Meek Mill. He's a great rapper. He's top tier number one. But I'm just saying I'm not against working with writers, bro. I'm not from that era where Meek Mill is from. I'm not from a, that's what I mean. I'm not from the battle rapper era where I feel like a nigga can't give me two bars. You bugging. Right. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm just saying I'm not from that era. So I don't feel as in depth with, he's feels that way in his heart. I didn't. Okay. Okay. So where do you stand on? Like the Cardi B of it all? Cause you know, Exactly. She has a ghost writer and partisan, spontaneous fire. He is. Exactly. So you pro what they got going on. Yeah. Why it's working for her. Right. The fuck out there. So do you. So the real question, do you consider her to be a rapper though? Yeah. She writes some of her shit. I feel like a bloody bar. She does her shit. There's no writers on there. You could check some of these shit's who's writers. She writes some of her shit. I feel like just her biggest record. She had help. And it's like some people need guidance. Okay. So I fuck it. That's fair. All right. Now you want to do a record with your friends. You know, everybody sending a shit in cause I was. Wait, wait, wait. They go back on that. That's the case. We don't like no R&B artists. None of them. 90% of R&B artists do not write their shit. We don't like none of them. We don't barely like Usher. Okay. That's team. I really love with R. Kelly cause he wrote mad at everybody's shit. Okay. That's team because I, are you talking about older R&B or are you talking about current? Majority. Cause like I'm a sister, summer, give me on girl. And I think they be writing a shit. Oh yeah. So we're going to check their shit's after this. Okay. And I bet you they would come to, cause 90% of these girls period to have writers. Everybody. Even Ashanti Ben had writers. I don't think there's anything wrong with having writers. It's a lot of R&B. Not just, I just thought of Megan because I know she got a writer, but um, it's mad people. Okay. Like Usher had a writer. Chris Brown. I love Chris Brown. People wrote his songs. So writers are just kind of essential in this business. I feel like it's all on your preference. It's who you are. Some people will not accept it. Some people will. All right. Well, speaking of writers and needing them next scenario, you make a song. You want to track with all your friends and y'all don't have, y'all don't have time to meet at the studios. Everybody sending a shit in. One of your friends sends in his track and that shit is garbage by Suda. Terrible. What do you do in that situation? Y'all don't got time to do it over. And that's your man's. What do you do when you get the most wackest track? You ask him if he feels like it's confident. And he, and he say yeah. Then they see the, you're going to kick him off. But what would you do? It's not about. That's what I'm trying to show you. That depends on the situation. Some people got to live to learn. I would have probably put him in the fire. Oh, you would have put him on the track? That's what he wanted. And then I don't have to have a full out with my man because I, he got to live to learn. He got to see that it wasn't it. That he got to get the reaction. Damn. Cause I feel like, do you feel like having a wack verse on a collaborative song like changes the value of the song? It could, but. That's a risk you're willing to take. Yeah, it is. Life is all about risk. Have you ever felt like you've been that person? Like you was on a track with multiple people and you had the wack verse of the song? Or like not even a wack verse, but the weakest one. I feel like there's songs that I don't like. I don't never feel like my verses, the weakest cause I'm always relate to what I'm saying. That's the thing with being a rapper. If you're spending some shit, obviously you relate to it. Tina have done it. So it's like. Right. Some of this shit I'm really saying I know I probably, I've liked the other person verse more than mine. I had songs like that, like I'll say that. Like, um, head and shoulders. That's true. Okay. Yeah. So I don't care from, I feel like my verses last place. I feel like you, let me not, let me not say that's true. I feel like you did what needs to be done on this project. Let me just say this was great. But I will also give myself the criticism. I feel like on that song, I'm last place. So we went over this as a group together though. Okay. You know, we're not a group, but as a conglomerate, as we did it. Okay. We went over this and we was like, yo, he was the most sturdiest on this verse. He got this. We did that. And I think everybody has. Everybody has. Yeah. Yeah. Like we all went on our own shit. And we was like, yeah, he did the worst. Not the worst. Like he was the last place. Like we did it. One, two, three bro. It's like, we know how to read it. So it's like. I love the accountability. That's really nice to see. Okay. Last scenario. Cause I'm putting you with a lot. All right. You want to double date with one of your men. He's like, yo, I, I got this. Baddest shitty I ever bagged ever. Like, y'all get to the spot and it's one of the old girls used to fuck with. What you doing in that situation? I get to the spot and the bitch that's there for me is a girl. No, you want to double date, which means you with your girl. He bringing a girl. He who he says the baddest bitch that he ever had. And it's a girl I used to fuck with. Yep. I'ma tell him. You telling him after or you telling him right there at the table. You pulling him to the side or you saying in front of everybody. I'm pulling side. Okay. So you're going to let him know. How do you feel about that? How do you feel about like your bro's fucking with niggas? Um, bitches. It depends on the relationship with the person. Okay. That's all that matters. If it was just a fling thing, you good. If it was someone I've really had love for, you're disrespected me and I'm good. Yeah. I personally feel like if it's somebody who was really worth anything, your bro should know not to fuck with them. Anybody in life should know that. Right. Anybody. Okay. So that ends that game. So we're going to segue back into the music. Um, so, you know, you've been around a long time. You witnessed the rise of drill. You see where it's at now. What do you think about the state of New York hip hop right now? I feel like, uh, it just has nothing but room for improvement. We could just get better and better. We just got to just grow as a unit. But I feel like everyone got to play a part or working parts or blogs, radio. I feel like radio could play more part. But I feel like now that's what, that's the difference now. These kids now don't care to, they don't make music for radio because they don't feel like the radio would accept us and the type is true. So it's like, now they can just make whatever is hot and do it for numbers and clicks. And I feel like that's not it. People should get back into the sense of trying to actually be creative, make some type of music. Don't sound like everybody else. It's like, we're all over the place. But hey, it's like, we'll get, we'll get it together. And we had to, we had to get a little bit of chaos so some people could shout. So it's like, fuck it. So do you see longevity in the drill scene? I feel like drill will never die. I'm just tired of saying this drill. I just want to find another word for it by now. But I feel like this should have been around. It's aggressive music. It's gangsta music. I feel like we've been here. It's just a production. Production is what makes us label it as drill. Because if you asked me five years ago, I was not a drill artist. Now they would say I'm a drill artist because I rap on these beats. I've been rapping about aggression, violence, guns. Doesn't fucking matter. I've seen it. Like this. So it's like, I don't know. 50 Cent was a drill artist to me then. That's interesting. He rapped about getting shot. Wrapped about shooting. But then I guess that brings up the conversation of do you think that drill is about what they're talking about or about the beat set they talking about it on? It's a production. Because if y'all not going to say if it's not... Because I would never consider 50 Cent. No, you wouldn't. I know you wouldn't. But then you would consider 50 Cent and dip set to be drill. I feel like they make gangsta rap. But it's not drill. How is it not drill? It's not... I personally feel like drill has a lot more to do with the beats than they do in the content. That's what we're making it be. That's all it is. So that's not what it is. I rap on other beats, but no matter what I do, I'm a drill artist. Your drill artist. Now because the majority of what people like is on those beats. But I'm not a drill artist in my head. I'm an artist. But to the public, I'm a drill artist. So it's okay. But you don't think that has anything to do with the beats that you just said. They like the ones that you want to drill beats. And Jim Jones rap did a whole mixtape on that. Why is he not a drill artist yet? He did a whole drill mixtape. See, I feel like you can be versatile and make music on different beats. But that doesn't make you the type of artist that you're making. So why am I a drill artist? Why am I? Why is it me, Rowdy, and Bobby shouldn't be drill artists then? Personally, I think that it has a lot to do with the music that people know that you make. Because I think you make a lot of music. But the real question is, are people tapping in? I want to access. Do you use him as a drill artist? Thank you. Okay. Is he? I got to ask because he came out the same time as me, Bobby, Rowdy. So I got to ask. I feel like he has songs that fit into the drill category. But you're not trying to say he's a drill artist. But if he's not, we're all not. But if he is... I never called you a drill artist. You would. And that's what I'm saying. I don't feel like I am. This is the production. Some of these things are drill artists because all they fucking rap on is these built beats. But I want to know what makes a drill artist. I'd be acting this all the time. Is it the production or is it what we rap about? I think it's a combination of both. Yeah. But I wouldn't... If it's what we rapping about, I'm a gangster artist. Fuck that. I'm dipshit. I don't want to be with all these things. I would consider you a gangster artist that raps on drill beats. You're adapting to the drill shit. And that's what people are fucking with. And that may be the reason why they're considering you to be a drill artist because that's what they know. That's what I want. That's what I think. I'd rather that than Gragaboo. What the fuck? So what you say at Gragaboo would say every drill song? What the fuck? I could never say that. I don't say that. You say pussy. Yeah. I love that. Okay. So now when it comes to the whole like King of New York you're saying, you know, that's very big. There's no King of New York. It's done. Mm-hmm. Because in the vein of talking about... Name one. Listen. It's done. Damn. You're not even letting me get a word in. It was Pop Smoke. He's not here. Okay. He's resting in peace. That's it. He absolutely is. He reached heights that none of us can. Fabio would say he's the King right now. I don't want to argue with no one. I don't believe. I don't bow down to no man. So no man, he's resting in peace to Pop, of course. And I definitely believe that he was King of New York. Mm-hmm. Now what do you think it'll take for somebody to reclaim that title if you think that it's possible as the King of New York? I don't know. I heard people got the alkylates. I just hate that everyone battling for that shit. That shit is corny. Because, you know, like I said, we're not in a... This is not a monarchy shit. That's what kings are. Right, monarchy? I'm not with that. No one's my king. I'm sorry. I'm not even in competition for that. So this is a democracy. Yeah, I'm good. Not a dictatorship. I heard you. I don't know how you could be a king. You got to overrule. You got to control. You got to put on. Mm-hmm. I think you just need to go into depth where kings is. Mm-hmm. If you feel like you're a king, you live up to that. Okay. Because you got to do what kings do. Okay. I respect that answer. Yeah, I think you just say shit to say shit. Because it sounds cool. And it caused controversy. None of these think it's just kings if you ask me. You're a king of yourself, but the king of... of a place is crazy. Everyone's a king. Yeah. Everyone's a king. Everyone's a king of controversy. Yeah. I think that, you know, people really believe it, and there's a lot of people that will co-sign it and further that. Yeah, because that's what cloud does, and that's what numbers does, and it's nobody. Everyone's supposed to believe you're a king. Mm-hmm. But as a New Yorker, I feel like everyone's a superstar and suck a dick. No one's a king. Okay. I'm gonna fuck with this. Well, with that said, we're going to pivot. Say that. Just drop. Not too long ago. That shit was fire. Y'all did what needed to be done. Oh, yeah. No backends. No radio play. We four drill artists. Drill artists. Let me put that in parentheses. I'm not fucking drill artists. Mm-hmm. Four drill artists. We did a dis, name drop. Nobody on the whole tape. Go through all eight songs. You don't hear nothing. Mm-hmm. I don't know why. We don't got so much support. It's so sad. And then it went on this big rant and rave about drilling. Woo, woo, woo. But they don't want to give it. And we didn't intentionally do that. We thought about it after. Like, yo, bro, we really did not dis nobody. I'm very happy that y'all did. It was like, come on. That shit, the niggas should have set light on that one situation. Mm-hmm. But hey, I guess a positive shit goes unseen. If we was talking about shooting and killing niggas and poking them up, we would have been, we would have went viral. It's always the negative stuff that gets talked on. But why do you think that was that you didn't get any backends, any radio play or anything like that? Because we didn't do nothing negative. And it was a little last minute, but it doesn't even matter if it's last minute. You can spend it now. There's old records I hear right now spending on the radio. So it's like, it doesn't matter. I feel like this music is still here. That shit looked into it, really knew us. Because some of these artists that's on the tape was banned from rolling out for being drill artists. And we're not dissing on it. Yeah, we know. Yeah. So it's like. I'm suppositing, you know, like not even bust out? No. No radio play or nothing? No. Wow. Because I'm just doing numbers. Everybody fuck with that song. Hopefully it picks up now that we're talking about it. Everybody. Hopefully you played it. Hopefully you played it. I don't keep in tune on Sundays, but no one from jail told me. So that's how I know I'm not getting played. Okay. Yo, bro. You shit on there. That's how you know. That's how you know. A name. We ain't getting no radio. We streaming right now. We doing what we do. Yeah. Cause I should have like 1.5. Yeah. We doing what we supposed to. We're not getting the support that we supposed to best. Okay. What do you think is missing? Like as a business owner, cause you got your own shit going on. What would you do if this was one of your artists that had dropped the project, wasn't getting no back and what kind of steps do you think are necessary to like kind of get over that? That's right. Talk out on it. That's it. You want to be heard, you got to speak. Okay. So what was it like working with three different artists on a collab? It was normal? Cause we all cool. So it's like, it's like, fuck it. Hey, link up. Stu. And was it a label thing? Nah, they thought of the idea. They thought of the idea. Cause we didn't just come, we wasn't together. Yo, bro. They thought of it, but we had to come together. We was all together when they brought it up. It's not like they set it separately. They brought it up. We looked at each other. We were like, you care? All of us don't care. We don't got no problem. Do that shit. That shit ain't about nothing. They're like, all right. Okay. And y'all was in the stool. Y'all was sending the verses in. Listen, Stu. All of these songs we did all together. First song was Angels and Demons. That was the first song I said to take. Okay. Made to be from scratch with Lewis Bordeaux, Shao Lewis, my son Super Fire. Shao Lewis. Yeah. Lewis and Brandon, my son B. Can't forget B. Sorry, B. You know, cooked up the B. Did it. I forgot who sung the sample, though. I forgot the girl who sung the sample. Shout out to her, too. I remember she from Jersey, though. She was fire. So that's her original sample. So that's not like don't make up shit. They sung it in studio. Javon gave her the, you know, little cadence. And then we got to the bottom. Y'all was cooking. All right. So the collaboration was great. Who are some artists that you would like to see collab that we haven't seen yet that you think would shake the shake the New York scene up a little bit? Or just a collab. I can speak for them. I don't want to speak for them. No, let me stop. Let me think. Let me think. What would be fire? What would be fire? Think it's Fabio and Rowdy to a tape. Do a tape? Yeah. Yeah. Fire. Okay. Yeah. What about the girls? Because I know you. Who you want to hear together? Connie should do a tape. I'll probably that I'll be fine. I'll be fine. They all got bars. They need to mix it up. Be sexy in there. The coach. They fire though. They all fire. Okay. Okay. All right. So bus down. All three best of both worlds in there. Yeah, that's fire. That was a good idea. They need to run with that. Maya, Lola and Connie. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, like I said, bust down. Did this thing. 1.5 million on YouTube. Video looked like a movie. That was the biggest party of the year. That should look really crazy. I had bitches on bitches on bitches. How was that? What was that like? It was like, um, shit. I don't know. You got to be there. Okay. So tell us like something. Yeah. I got to want to be there. I can't give you out of feeling. Come pop out. Not you. You got to want to be there. Did we even get it? Did we even get it? Invite OP. You can't say shit like that. I need to press your boss about this one. Damn. I probably did. She's probably busy somewhere else or something. Oh, big C. Oh, you got pulled out. All right. So tell us something that happened on scene. Because I know what happened. So many people won't say it's something that's bound to happen. So give us like a little tea behind the scenes. What happened? I had brown fish in the head with a bottle. Wait. How did that happen? I was drunk. Drunk drinking. Drunk drinking. I'm splashing the water. He was right next to me. I end up, boom. I'm like, oh my God. Bottom flew. I didn't even know I hit him until after. Now the bottle, it was bad enough that it hit him. It flew too. Yeah. I had a Cosmico bottle. It flew. It hit him. It flew. It flew so I reacted like, oh, no. And what he did after that? He was tight. Getting hit in the face with a bottle with bad bitches around is oh, deep. But you know, I was really, it wasn't intentional but he was tight. Came to me like, you really hit me on my foot. I was drunk already. Yo, bro, what're you... It just happened. You seen, I was spackling. He's like, this wasn't about nothing. I really felt like, because he knew it wasn't intentional. And I was really doing something. I was trying to interact for the video. So if I wasn't doing nothing, then it would have been a little different here. So, okay, of course, being on set, like I said, the ladies was on deck. I know you are in a relationship now. So how does that work when it comes to you being in this industry, having to be around a lot of women and having a girlfriend? Nah, I've been easy though, but I feel like it's cause of communication. And it's really like this, like I had to give an example like this. Like you don't see Lala and Carmelo fighting over her having sex scenes on power. Cause I'm just like, where are the me? If of all people, you had to bring them up. Yeah. Yeah, they're not together no more. But I catch you. But at the beginning, we don't know if they broke up or for her acting career, but it's like, yeah. I get what you're saying. That's what I'm saying. This is a different part of my life. If I don't play this pro, it's like, what you want me to do? You want me to be with all of these girls and do this, right? Do this, right here. Who the fuck want to be with me then? I mean, no, you got to interact. You got to do it. Who the fuck want to live my life? Who want to listen to my verse when everybody was just lit and I'm here like, you sitting there chilling, watching from the sidelines. They come here for this nigga. He's like skin. See, it shows. He's like skin. It shows. He's feeling himself. Yeah. But is that something? You gonna call me. I'll leave the phone up. We're gonna look behind the scenes. I'm a gooch. Okay, I like that. Yeah, I'm a gooch, but that shows you're a gooch. So now when you start getting bundled up, you gooch. I mean, I think. You gonna be there. Why are you on the phone? Live my life. You want to be here? Okay. I mean, well, this is now, you know, now I think that when you're dating somebody like yourself, you kind of know what you're getting yourself into. So I do think that there's a level of security you have to have within yourself to do stuff like that. Or to do something like that. Yeah, you gotta have that in your head. But it wasn't always like that. I feel like you haven't always just been out there and you know, like the ladies didn't always know what to expect. So do you set the tone beforehand or is it something that you just kind of, you either get with it or get lost? You just do it. You get with it or get lost? Yeah, it's like, but this is my career. So if it's for my best intention, I have no ill intentions. I'm doing it. Okay. Cause I feel like I'm gonna explain myself. If you feel like I violated it and it's like, I'm gonna stand on it. I really feel like what I did was not wrong. I'm good. We gon' battle. It's like, it's a debate now at this point. I'm good. I'm gonna fuck. Okay. Now one thing I will say about your relationship. First of all, I love when a hood nigga got a girlfriend and like, he's actually posting her. Like we can see what y'all doing. Love that. Like how did you get to a place where you felt comfortable posting your girl? And what was the vetting process like for? I feel like I just, I don't want to do the same shit. I was just in a relationship. It was just, the circumstances was different. My other relationships, it was just so different. Like her in a position she's able to move how I want her to. It's like. How's that? She has money. So she can, like I don't need to be with her to keep her protected. She can protect herself. Okay, okay. She has a good license. She lives in Florida so it's like, a certain shit. It's like, I don't, it's less stress on me. She'll travel certain ways. She'll get a private driver. She'll make sure she book it. It's like, she's getting popular too as herself. Like me promoting you, people like you. People don't like me. It's a certain shit. Someone might follow you to get to me. So you got to think in the worst. It's like, yeah, she, her life changed as being with me. But I feel like you're going to do that for someone you love. Right. Feeling like you love her. Someone you love, I love that. Yeah. So it's like. You love you girl. And I love that for y'all. Yeah, but yeah, I feel like I just, I feel like I'm getting older too. So it's like, man, like, I'm like, I mean, you don't want to keep doing the same shit. I never did it before. So it's no point in me not doing it. Right. And I might as well, I started learning like, I feel like I've been preserved. And that's what holds me back from certain shit. So if I could, I could show this, I don't have no problem showing it. So why not show it? And you were saying like, you know, she got her own, she can handle herself financially. Was that something that you were looking for when you started dating her? I feel like I started looking for it more. Yeah, I have started looking for it, but that wasn't a main priority. I feel like niggas don't have a problem building a girl. I don't, I never did. But it's not like, that's it. I don't want to find you, you have nothing. Right. It's not to go, it's not to go. But I have no problem helping out. But no, did I expect to find her? No, no, no, no, no. She found me. So that's how life works. And I wasn't, so that's what made it more organic. I feel like that's what made her fuck with me more. There's people that just want to fuck with her cause she got money. And of course, I think that what you say, and she found you, I know that you have the ladies in your DMs. I know that they rolling in. So like, what is it when somebody reaches out to you or like, she'll stay shot. What is it about the way that they approach the situation that makes you want to like? I feel like she had cheek codes already. She was successful. Okay. Yeah, she already had cheek codes. Okay. She drew my attention, I would say this, she knows this, fuck it. She drew my attention already, but I felt like she upholds it herself. Like, I didn't do, I didn't fuck. I asked around regularly, what the shit you gonna do? You wanna ask around? I didn't really hear nothing. I didn't hear nothing. So I was like, what, what? I gotta find out, now I gotta find out for myself. They're like you successful. You could be capped cause I don't believe the internet's all of that. You look good on the internet shit. Right, right. You look successful. You could be dead pop. You could be dead pop. You could be dead pop. You could be dead pop. So it's like, fuck it. And it could have been the same way with me. So it's like, go hand in hand. So it's like, I mean, we're just feeling each other. I don't know what just happened. Okay. It's like any other thing. All of these relationships are not for sure. And I know that you, you fuck with G Herbo. He was saying in an interview that he wasn't going on dates at first. Like he, his first date was with Ari and they went out and his mans was like talking bad on him because he was actually taking a woman out on a date. And that's not usually what they do. So do you go on dates or do you keep it low key? I feel like no, I keep my shit too. Yeah. My shit is straight. Okay. My shit is set up. So I'm safe. But I'll go on a date, but I'm gonna have, I'm gonna take extra precautions. Like how are you saying? And definitely I'm cause I'm in a different like, I'm not going to every place. You can't just send me somewhere and yeah, we're going there. No. No, what the fuck you thinking? Oh my gosh. I just stopped fucking with a nigga that did that and it pissed me off. Like I understood it. I'm not going where you tell me to go. We could end up going there, but now on the day you told me I'm proscript, I'm like why not? We want to be in little spots. Look around, what the fuck is in there? I do shit like I'm good. I'm taking extra precautions. So what's the difference between me telling you the day we going and you coming up with the day that we going? You don't know who's going to be there regardless. Oh no, that's what I'm saying. I might book out a whole room, pay extra, private, no one's seeing me. Y'all go in the spot, look how I set up. Y'all got private rooms? I need that because I don't want to be seen by no one. I feel like I'm a person of interest. I want to pay for my protection. Okay, well shit. This is me shooting my shot. The niggas like book the private rooms. I'll act your girl because that's my type of language. Okay, so what do you think about like the YouTube couples? Is that something that you would be interested in doing? Like the whole YouTube thing? No. I'll do it if it's organic. I'm not doing that. I'm just be seeming mad fake and forced. I don't know. That's why niggas need to follow me with a camera. Me setting the camera up like, hey guys, today now we're going to make cookies, fuck out of here. That's your YouTube impression? That's fake. That's fake. That's fake as shit. I'm be real as shit on that shit. Like what? It's just nasty. I think it's possible. So then what do you think about like the YouTube niggas? Like Bubba and Naughty Cards, they? They my man, they kids. Let's say excuse. That's it. I'm done. They're not kids. I'm a growing adult. Right. Cause you was in one of the videos. No, I fuck with them. I fuck with the content I have none against it. But I'm just saying, like some of this shit, I do feel like it's corny. I don't, they, I told them that. So I'm not scared to say some shit is corny to me. I'm a little bit older. So some shit is really fucking corny to me. Right. So I am not playing that. Right. Some shit, I'm Jack. They are funny. So what you think about like playing the ops music in front of you and using the ops lingo. I feel like saying shit is just like, yeah, yeah, I feel like I just know Bupa is a joke. So he does that and I have to laugh it off. I may have rough him up to let him know like, yo, this is what I could do. But in all reality, bro, who do I look like Billy and Bupa? I feel like a bozo. I mean, and I think that that's what they want. Like it's kind of like, they want to get a rise out of y'all. If it was the real, if it ever really got to where I really wanted to take it would never get posted. Right. Okay. I heard you talk that shit. All right. So outside of music, what do you see for yourself? You know, you're talking about the money, you're talking about, you know, getting it. What, in let's say 10 years, where do we see OP? 10 years where do you see me? Placks of my own have plaques for my label. I feel like being a label exec. You're gonna see me as, man, like I'm gonna be bigger than Steven Victor. Yeah. Okay. Now you're still in New York, you moving? I don't, I don't. Wherever. Whatever. Passport game now. Passport game. Wait, hold on. So you would move out the country? Yeah, I would. Really? Where would you move to out the country? Only place right now that's like the United States is the UK. Oh my God, I wouldn't go to the UK. I've never been there yet, but that's the only place I heard. I have to visit a couple of places. I don't know yet. I got to visit there. If I jacket, I love weed. So that weed better be fire, bro. You know where they say you talking about UK. Amsterdam, not too far. Oh my, that shit is trash. I heard. In Amsterdam? They weed. Wow, that's crazy. Because that's what everybody talk about. Like when they talk about smoking and blah, blah. But we got better weed than them. Oh shit, that's tea. Yeah, that's what they say. So I want to go, if it's just trash, I'm gonna be so upset. Because you could have stayed home for all of that. Okay. So what can we expect coming from you next? Like what's up next? I know you got your brother's Keeper album coming out. Man, I might have more collaboration tapes. I don't want to speak too soon. Might be doing more shit, but man, just working. Staying as focused as I can. And just showing the growth. Full of haters. Suck my dick. I'm just getting better and better. I'm just gonna show y'all that. Can we see you working? Um, man, and yeah, I'm working on my artist. Keep promo and moolah while he's going until he come back. Man, regular shit. I don't count nobody out, if you know what I mean. I would never do that. Looking for, always looking for new artists. Don't start flooding me with bullshit. If that shit is trash, keep it to yourself. Niggas be trying to shoot they artist shots? And at least have some type of foundation. At least have that video too already. Don't think you're gonna come to me brand new artist. And I'm just not artist there. I'll develop artists, but not from zero nigga. Shouldn't, no, I'm from zero nigga. So does that happen all? Like they be? I'm just trying to be real now. I gotta let it be put out there. Cause I'm putting it out there that y'all can't hear me. Don't have zero to nothing and think, you know, bro, have something to show at least. Give me a resume. It's like going to a job. You have nothing. It's like, you're the last on the list, bro. Probably go to you when I'm desperate and do it look like I'm desperate. No. So I don't want to fucking watch that. So what they gotta have a couple of videos, a project. Yeah, a couple of videos, songs. I don't, you don't have to have a video for every song. At least do try to do a video before. Show me you put some effort into it. Okay. Like don't just come to me and think I'm gonna, like someone said to really shit, I'm manager of managers shit. They manage what you got going on. If you have nothing going on, what the fuck am I managing? What are you supposed to manage? What am I doing? You're giving me nothing to work with. I got nothing to work with, fella. So it's like, hey, move up. Okay. All right, but yeah, you go look for that, man. Me show more person, personality. No, man. Tongue twister. All right, yeah, more personality. Man, I'm just being your face, man. I can't erase me. I can't never do it. You about to start posting a little TikTok videos. I saw that too. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on, so that means you lied. And I don't want, I don't want, I don't want to. You got me thinking I'm posting TikTok video, I'm gonna start. Okay, I feel like, I just think that that's such a 2018, 2019 response. TikTok is not a dancing app, y'all. Put your shit on TikTok, get your personality out there. Cooking, you know, air fryer recipes, you know. Living like a nigga. Air fryer on my way through everything. Probably hot stove, like I'm in a trench. Listen, air fryer slap. All right, anything else that you want to set the record on? Anything you want to talk about real quick before we end? Free scrap, free chef, free sleepy, RP pile of smoke, RP oil, everybody that died. RP on my falling shoulders. Man, just stay focused, stay at music. Man, it's not in the 1090 music group. We the new Burgang. Only if you actually work it out. We the new motherfucking, oh, I said Burgang, cash money. Burgang too in the streets, you know, holla at me. But anyways, man, look out for me. I'm just moving and grooving and improving. And oh, yeah, yo, if I ever doubted me, listen to Tadah, bro. If y'all don't like that, y'all could suck my dick. Simple as that. And that's that one. That's all, let them know. Let them know where to find you before you walk off. How they gonna listen if they don't even know where to find it? Man, look for my face. I'm licensed. Nah, let me stop playing. That's some funny ass shit. That's some real cocky shit. Anyway, on point like OP on all platforms. I don't do Twitter. I might get on there to pop shit like Kanye. Gotta give them pop my shit. TikTok, the real on point like OP. Someone had an on point like OP. I was going to say something. Hold that down. Hold that down. Facebook, don't fuck with that. That's not for me. Yeah, I think we've passed the Facebook. Yeah, we just got to grow and glow. We don't glow up. Definitely agree with that. Well, thank you for stopping by OP. Make sure y'all fuck with talk of the town. All right, well, thank you. Thank you for stopping by. I know how we get there. All right, y'all. We out there.