 Association that's it. I write checks for my mortgage Because I want a copy of her a seat that they cashed it. That's the only real way I can do that with them I mean, yeah, I could get it, but I don't trust them. Also my gardener My landscaper. Oh, yeah, I guess that makes sense, too All right, folks. Well as you can see we are we are all back. We're all back in our proper locations Never was not in his proper location. I was in Europe for a while for the last month. Okay, so there you go. Yeah Roger's back in his proper location Feels good feels good to be back. It's just like being a high literally Same here All four of us and Roger I believe word four for four Well, Zoe brings bacon brought me bacon look oh And this lovely Mike flag, which is really just a flag Sandwich flag cheese flag. Yeah It's a sandwich flag you put them in there because some of your sandwiches will fall apart unless you have something to hold it together Like a toothpick with a flag of it and she gave me some union flag pins as well So that I can be caught I can run I can run for a post as MP. I Can put a little flag pin UK flag pin Don't make me send you Australian stuff to make it look better. I just need to add some stars And I'm almost You can get some red ones you can be a Kiwi. It's fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right, you guys ready? Ready here we go Daily Tech news show is powered by you if you're confused by that find out more at Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday October 11th 2017 on Tom Merritt and I'm Sarah Lane And joining us from Melbourne, Australia. Mr. Raj Deut is with us today. How are you, sir? I'm very well. Thank you. Hello from the future. It's uh, it's bright and sunny here on uh, Thursday Oh, that's true. This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday October 11th for me and Sarah It's the Daily Tech news for Thursday October 12th for Raj. You know, it's kind of fun fact Raj is Experiencing my birthday before I am Happy birthday Future feels so good You get two birthdays because we have Raj on the show. This is great Whoo. Yeah, uh producer Roger Chang is here as well writing a check Uh, we'll write a check after the show. Yes for your gardener Uh, yes on the mortgage. All right, let's start with a few tech things you should know Russian finance minister Anton Silyanov said Wednesday that quote the state should regulate the issuing of Cryptocurrencies they're mining and turnover Russian president Vladimir Putin shared a meeting of senior Russian officials on the issue Tuesday So it looks like Russia is going to crack down on cryptocurrencies eBay founder Pierre Omidyar discussed a white paper from his omidyar group listing six key areas where social media has become a direct threat to democracy Including but not limited to political manipulation. We've heard a lot about that lately Omidyar hopes it will be the basis for understanding the impact of technology on democracy in general Yeah, and uh, we're going to take some time to read through the actual white paper At least I am uh and talk about this with Justin a little more tomorrow So if you've got thoughts take take some moment to read it yourself and email us feedback at daily tech news show dot com The bell as reported by the korea herald Says its sources say LG has formed a task force to explore building a foldable OLED display for apple LG is rumored to be working on a foldable display anyway But apparently they're going to be working on one for apple production of such a panel wouldn't begin until 2020 Interesante We all right Moving on the california department of motor vehicles released revised regulations that would allow autonomous cars without steering wheels Or foot pedals or mirrors or even humans to be tested After a 15-day comment period the rules would be submitted to the state for enforcement beginning in mid 2018 Yeah, uh, the u.s. Federal rules are are underway as well But this is this is the first state to make it very clear like yes We're going to allow this I mean and there's lots of rules about how that to tell the state they're going to do it and when they're Going to do it and stuff like that but before it wasn't allowed at all. There just wasn't a way to do it Here are some more top stories Oculus uh is having their big conference and so out of there They have changed the price of the rift headset to 399 dollars if you're saying well, it wasn't at 399 It was temporarily 399 for a while and went back up to 499 now. It's back to 399 for good Oculus also announced the standalone oculus go. This is a mobile vr headset Pretty much a gear vr without the need of a phone So it's compatible with all the gear vr titles, but it has its own wq hd lcd screens And spatial audio and you don't need to connect it to a phone Oculus also demonstrated a new design of its standalone full vr headset code named santa cruise This would be a version of the oculus rift basically that you wouldn't have to plug into a pc So it's a lot more powerful santa cruise won't need to be tethered to a pc or use external trackers It's got an inside out tracking system oculus says the developers version of the santa cruise will come next year The oculus go starts at 199 dollars shipping early next year and finally oculus for business Is a new program to let companies buy vr equipment in bulk with enterprise level warranties a full vr commercial license And dedicated customer support they they want to encourage companies to start using it in the workplace uh for for work related Uses not not just for her employee recreation or anything. I mean this is you know a lot of announcements A lot of kind of marketing type feeling announcements. Sure. Um, and certainly the The the rift being dropped back down a hundred dollars Kind of says to me they want to move some merch that they're not moving Yeah, they they also are really trying to cut ahead of the hdc vibe And say look we're you know, we're we're we want we want to gain that market share But it also feels the fact that they didn't talk about a new rift They just did a price cut and they're only talking about santa cruise, which is probably two years away means that Yeah, maybe they'll do a spec bump at some point, but I don't think they have any plans for a new rift raj What do you make of this? Yeah, it's a little interesting because a couple of weeks ago We had the microsoft mix reality announcements as well And the big reveal there was that samsung were coming out with a with a microsoft mr headset Which was previously the partner for oculus with the mobile sort of stuff now Oculus have come out with the oculus go, which is around a sort of similar Standpoint and has some of those features as well So this is them sort of potentially shifting to cover themselves off as samsung May move away from them in the future Um and and and have a product in that range Santa Cruz I think is interesting and is what a lot of people really want with the You know inside our tracking wireless And and it's going to be a while away I think they've got to stay relevant between now and then and the they're trying to do that by being competitive with the price point Being the one that people know about the most and and they definitely have the biggest name in the market And anything that brings the price of VR down and gets it into the hands of people is a positive in my For me just from a gaming perspective. It is it's still an expensive peripheral to have so actually Making that barrier to entry lower is is only a good thing and only helps perpetuate the the gaming industry in VR Yeah, the thing that saved google glass too was enterprise enterprise use of google glass still exists people forget that often because it's There's no public presence of it oculus isn't near that kind of disappearance from from the consumer space, but this oculus for business I think is a really Good move from the perspective of let's let's make a lot of money on the tech we have but also It may also drive consumer use because Couple of the examples they gave were outie using it to create a virtual showroom So oculus for business was done by outie corporate to create the showroom But the show would be meant for people to use in their own virtual headsets maybe like an oculus go There's also a collaboration Bit that sisco showed up with like a virtual whiteboard So so lots of interesting use cases there and that's kind of the big thing with vr is finding what the killer use cases are still Hmm, and it doesn't help when you have zuckerberg touring Puerto Rico in vr That did not go down well No, there's something about having a cartoon avatar representing real people that No, the problem was Facebook's spaces their vr chat room there is meant to be fun and light hearted Right touring a disaster area Yeah, it doesn't work hearted sends the wrong message. Hmm, right All right, uh keeping with the hardware themes and the interesting hardware coming out of amazon today The company released a new version of the kindle oasis e-ink reader Which has a slightly larger display than the previous oasis going from six to seven inches Also a little bit heavier not too much The new oasis is also waterproof with an ip x8 radian, which means it can stand two meters underwater for up to an hour so you could Literally go snorkeling and read the entire time the battery also supposedly last six weeks instead of two That's a huge bump also has all double support for audiobooks And there are a few different models the $250 model is for the eight gigabit version $280 for the 32 gig and 350 for a model with cellular support Pre-orders are open now and the new model ships october 31st You know what I like about this the most is that it got heavier And it's really yeah, it's not it's not for the kindle specifically But I think phone manufacturers could probably take Something from this and actually give us batteries that last more than a day Or you know just adding a millimeter back on to an iphone just to give us that little bit extra that that gives us I still carry around a charger with a with a eight plus Because by the end of the day it's dead and if it's not at a desk it's dead and so Going I mean it's a it's a e-book reader So it's a little bit different in terms of battery life and two weeks to six weeks is a significant jump like you said Sarah but Just adding that little bit extra in there. I don't think Having the ultra thinnest device really Is always the perfect answer for people and I like the amazon are doing this. I think that's a positive move Especially when you're kind of replicating the experience of reading a really good book I mean my favorite books are like big and heavy. There there is something psychological Maybe for the older crowd, but that yeah, you don't necessarily want it to be thinner That's not always a good thing if it's too light. It doesn't feel like you're holding anything right There's a perfect weight in there And I have a feeling the increase in weight here is simply because they increased it to seven inches But but there is the idea of like, oh, I know I'm holding it. I don't want it to be too heavy That's the nice thing about a kindles. I'm not holding a big thick hardback But at the same time if it's too light, then I don't feel like I'm Holding anything at all After artem rusa kovsky at android police reported that his preview version of the google home mini that he got at the announcement Was almost constantly recording and sending all of his audio back to google without him saying the wake word Google looked into it and they traced the behavior to a hardware error causing the wake button to be activated Even when artem was not pushing it. In fact, it was just constantly being activated It was thinking it was being touched google says this affected a small number of the pre-release units And they have released a firmware update as of october 7th That just disables the button for all users now the mini doesn't ship to the public until october 19th I'm curious if they will then continue to find out what the real cause of it was And reintroduce the button push because it would be a little weird to ship these to everybody with a button That they're like actually that doesn't work. You just got to use the wake work I mean not only not working but being potentially like a huge invasion of privacy Well, yes when the only This is everyone's nightmare about these Speakers as it as it you know stands now. It's like do we trust them to not be spying? So if a company's like, whoops, we spy didn't mean to it doesn't really Uh, you know give anybody That what and I think google's doing the right thing like just turn the button off Okay, we do not we have a big enough problem with people not trusting us without this happening. So just break the thing Amazon has began rolling out customized voice detection since we're on a you know speaker kick. Why not? This means that users in multi-person homes can get individualized experiences based on their voice. So for example Uh, your personalized calendar or music selections or et cetera As opposed to anybody else in your household google announced the same functionality for google home back in april So amazon is in a little catch up here But the company's new device is compatible with echo and any other alexa device tied to an amazon account So this is two two things about activation activation is certainly not Perfected in these kinds of devices raj. Do you use any of these? Yeah, uh, i'm a big user of them actually i Import the echoes because they're not sold in australia. Amazon is still starting their Facilities up here, which hopefully should be up and running by december um, but I have echoes all around the house and I used them to control a bunch of smart devices whether it be turning on the tv or lights or Now with sonos integration Very happy that that's finally come to fruition even in limited capacity So, yeah, I'm I've invested heavily in the amazon side of things and even had Some time developing skills for it as well. Not the easiest platform to do that on I should add Yeah but You know the the introduction of the multi user functionality. I think is really good I I don't personally have that issue, but I it's a step forward and amazon This is what the sort of the one few areas that amazon is playing catch up To google That they've definitely been the leader in this market and their products have sort of been One step ahead From from google and I think google are doing their best to catch up But it's going to come down to who does it better and and which one works And for me so far that's always been the echoes versus the home Even though the home has australian translation or australian accent Yeah I've I've just found the It's actually doing it right now. So yeah, or you've got some of the rajas and speaking it's the echo Yeah, or pixel buds or whatever that google showed off the other way Yeah, no, I I'm I'm I'm totally on board with this and uh I have going back the story having it listening to your time. They're kind of doing that anyway If we've had samsung do that with tv's accidentally accidentally before as well. So Yeah It's good Yeah, I I look at this new amazon echo thing and I I can't tell whether I should be excited yet I want to put it through its paces because in the one hand it does sound like you have to upload your contacts To activate it. I hope there's a way to say no, I don't want to do that And the reason they would have you upload your contacts is so that you can say Call my mom and it'll look through your context because it'll recognize. Oh, that's tom talking Look at tom's contacts and call his mom Or call when I say called jeff it knows to call my friend jeff not Eileen's friend jeff if for instance, we had two different friends probably more of a use case in houses with kids It also I can't tell if this is going to stop accidental activation Will I be able to start saying the word alex? On the show without having to introduce a pause or work around it It doesn't seem clear that that's the case either it might still work for guests Just not allow them to order things online or play music Or anything like that. So I I can't wait this rolls out because I'm very hopeful that this will solve a lot of problems I don't video site porn hub announced It's using machine learning to add tags to its videos First wave will use facial recognition to identify 10,000 stars and tag them plans to scan all five million videos within the next year Then move on to other kinds of tagging based on video content now It is often the trope That technology really doesn't arrive until the porn industry adopts it Finally tags will be right AI generated tags for videos are are definitely going to arrive now well, hey, uh If you are a person who wants to feel more organized Well, you know, it's like it's like as I'm saying this That's easier to find what you're looking for not gonna work uh Sure porn hub, uh, you know, they're They're a uh I would I would think that they would be testing out all sorts of stuff to help their customers There was a story yesterday Along similar lines with Dubai airport that you may or may not have seen where the entry to the aquarium Yeah, so people can walk through a tunnel in the departure lounge and essentially all of the Biometrics will be done automatically by you looking around with face ID They're gonna have 80 cameras and things like that. So similar sort of stuff. I think we're We're becoming more and more used to this sort of technology and if it's benefiting One industry whether it be the adult one or others It's going to get rolled out and and become further accepted youtube could do with it as well, obviously Yeah, and facebook already does it if you want to look for pictures of your friends It'll use facial recognition to find them Uh, this is this is a much larger effort On a much larger scale as far as you know, you've got 10 000 individual faces across millions of videos Uh, so it's you know, yes, haha. It's porn But it's also, you know, if you take the type of content out This is a huge challenge for machine learning I'm a little skeptical that they can actually pull it off the way they're saying they will but we'll see No Double entendres were Just gonna let that Leave that well alone Hey folks, if you want to get all tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines at daily tech headlines.com. It's available on the amazon echo As a flash briefing you can get it on the anchor app and also Sometimes through the google home. Thanks to anchor and that is a look at our top stories All right Raj was on so I was hoping to be a good australian story and this one is fascinating the supreme court in brisman, australia Has ruled that an unsent text message Can in fact serve as an official will In the case of a 55 year old man Who killed himself in 2016 the unsent message was found in the draft section of his phone And contained information on how to access bank accounts as well as directions for the disposal of his remains And indicated that the man's brother and nephew should be the recipient of his house And any remaining funds rather than his next of kin normally the next of kin automatically gets it if it's not otherwise specified His next of kin would be his wife Who he had apparently been continually separating from and had separated from shortly before he died Justice susan brown said the wording of the text indicated deliberate intention on the man's part Now the law as I understand it in australia says that you must create your will in front of two witnesses and all of that But in 2006 There was a stipulation put in place that said less formal Interpretations of will in testament could be allowed in certain cases and the judge used that in this case Do you guys want to parse the message itself before we discuss further? Can I just say like first knee jerk reaction is Oh my god, if you guys could see all the drafts in my phone right now That have not been sent for good reason So for for you know, just kind of the kind of like oh, I was in a mood or you know I wrote up some stuff and I didn't mean it or things changed or whatever big part of my life I'm not sure I would Be comfortable with anybody getting a hold of some thing that lived on my phone that had not actually been sent anybody That was designating, you know where my family finances were going Well, first of all, uh, something happened with your levels there. They went down a little I could hear what you were saying But it was a little low, uh, but I get what's yours. Yeah, there we go But I get what you're saying like there there could be all kinds of things I my first take on this was well if it was in his drafts It just mind like this is not his last It's a mind changer area of texting and emails and and all those like You can't look through my drafts and Consider that me talking to anybody on the other hand timing would indicate It was very close to the time that that he died Uh, it was certainly the last thing he wrote. There weren't multiple versions of it. Raj. What do you think? You know, the first thought that comes to my mind is what phone did he have that they could get into his drafts? Well, I wonder if it didn't wasn't passcode protected or Maybe then maybe the brother knew the password. I don't know exactly. I mean, it's 2006 He was uh, 55 year old man at the time. He probably had 2016 so not that uh, sorry 2016 sorry the I was the law was changed in 2006. Uh, you know, he could have been rocking a Nokia 8810 or something like who knows but, uh, It is a bizarre case And leave it to australia to uh to come up with it. I guess it You know, they talk about the rocky relationship between him and his wife and he had almost no relationship with his son um, but he's Left everything to his brother and nephew If I look if I'm reading the message, let me let me read the message text He says you and nephew and the paper redacted the nephew's name because he's a minor You and nephew keep all that I have house and superannuation Put my ashes in the back garden. Wife will take her stuff Only she's okay gone back to her ex again all caps I'm beaten a bit of cash behind the tv and a bit in the bank cash card pin number number number number My will that's his last the last two words. I think that's what convinced the judge is after all of that It showed that he had an understanding of his estate And that he ended it by saying this is my will Well, and also, I mean as someone who never has a pen and paper anywhere anymore because I write everything on my phone Or my computer or whatever it's it's the equivalent of like finding a will next to somebody's Body, right? It's not really that different. I guess in the eyes of this court I don't know if there's more testimony to the veracity of the message like did the cops find it first Uh when investigating but because there would be a question of well, wait a minute Did the brother just write this in the drafts and then go? Oh, hey look Yeah, and She can or the the wife or anyone in that his family could potentially contest this still so You know, it's it's definitely Whilst the decisions be made on this particular Well, she was contesting. That's why that's why justice brown was making. Oh, sorry. I yeah Yeah, is the wife was the the the the brother had said look he said it. This is mine and the wife said Oh, no the in texan unsaid text messages. Don't count Turns out. Yeah. Um, do we know if the man um was under the influence of anything because That would add another layer to this, right? He's obviously distraught That's a very good question. We don't know that Yeah, I mean that would be my first question is like, okay. Well, you know, what what level are we on right now? Yeah, I mean, I suppose when I say we I mean we three here based on this one story at the verge Don't know that but but perhaps Perhaps the autopsy concluded. No, you know, you didn't have anything in the system. He was he was fine, right? Because I think I would add another level of gray area like okay. Well, you know at what point is, you know to be taken as fact or or whatever but Very at the same I still go back to like, oh man drafts or drafts. They weren't sent for a reason Even if I mistake I'll tell you what though what I do like about this is The law is flexible enough and we could disagree whether justice brown made the correct decision But this law is flexible enough to say Listen, if you didn't have two witnesses and a formal will there may be circumstances in which it's very clear that The will was expressed and the court should be able to take that into account. So I'm glad of that Yeah Ladies and gentlemen, thanks to everybody participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com get in there and discuss the The stories of the day with other people who watch the show and if red. It's not your speed Or you just want a different kind of discussion. Maybe you spend all your time on facebook go to facebook.com groups Slash daily tech news show One message of the day before we get out of here. We've been following The story of mike who asked about how to pick a pacemaker And he's gotten some great advice a bit forwarding this advice along to him along the way and he followed up with us To let us know how it all went He said I had it installed today My doctor recommended a medtronic as our fellow listener mentioned He was not surprised when I inquired about the hacking and said that mine did not have remote monitoring And that he thought companies were steering away from that at the moment due to the hacking concerns Which that would be unfortunate Anyway, surgery went well and I'm now sitting at a comfortable 60 beats per minute And looking forward to getting out of the hospital and starting my new life as a cyborg I'm half cyborg with a medtronic as well not a pacemaker, but an insulin pump. So Oh, welcome to the fold. Welcome to the medtronic fold I you know that's like the cool. It's like the cool place to be I think the idea that companies would steer away from bluetooth because of hacking concerns is very sad because You know anything can be hacked But there there should be good security precautions and there's so many benefits to be had from remote monitoring and remote control by your doctor It it could save a life to have that opportunity and granted you have to you have to balance that over the security But it is possible To to have a fairly secure device So I do hope that companies do not abandon that line just just because of this one scare I I hope that they try to perfect the security of it and take that seriously Medtronic do for the for the insulin and continuous glucose monitors have wireless Monitoring between the device between the pump and the the glucose monitor, but it doesn't use bluetooth The the competitor dexcom uses bluetooth and you can look at that on your Apple watch, which is really exciting But it foregoes functionality that affects how you have a delivery of your medication Is done so the medtronic one which has a closed loop system Does essentially stop insulin delivery if you are going into what's called hyperglossemia But it only does that because it has its own communication system Using RF and so forth. So yeah very interesting very interesting Well, and that's the kind of thing that might be the secure path is here's an attachment for your phone The app will then work with the attachment to communicate securely and if the attachment isn't on then nobody else can get into it Yeah, uh, hey everybody, uh We've got good news. Uh, there is a brand new reckoner.com at reckoner.com.au Raj has been working very hard. It sounds like uh on this How's it going? Uh, really well, it's been a labor of love for the last sort of four or five months to get this thing together and uh, Yeah, we're really happy with how it's turned out We're introducing a few new things. 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So We've timed it I know Well and it ends in europe We're gonna have to keep an eye on this because it ends in europe at a different time than it ends In the u.s. Yeah, and so our utc time will change twice Or will it actually the utc time won't change when europe changes, I guess But it will change when our is that it's because utc is universal, right? No, that's right So it'll only change when our daylight savings time changes, but then we'll we'll be an hour different Well, I thought about and I was like, what's the silver lining, you know You switch back to standard time and you gain an hour. So everyone likes that Um, but then anyone who has pets that like to eat at a certain time are just gonna bug you an hour earlier Oh, yeah You know, it's funny is my dogs don't bug me to eat now, which is a problem because jango Invariably would like an hour before it was time to eat start like hey, just want to go early today You know just get out of the way Like i'm just gonna start bugging you yeah Whereas ray red soya, they don't bug us and there was one night where we didn't feed them until bedtime because we're like holy crap We forgot to give dinner and they were like what ofs You know, you'll get there Maybe they're eating secretly on the side Yeah, that may be You know, also secretly on the side show titles Oh Yes, good one All right, we have last will in sms my last will in texting meant Slightly ease off 75 Zoe brought on bacon happy birthday from the world of tomorrow Oh, I also got to see 40 thieves 40 thieves showed up Uh in person And and bit man bit man showed up in person. It was so nice to meet people by their names. Sorry, roger Did you take photos? Yes. Well, I didn't take enough. I should have taken more oops We spied my bad the mini that knew too much porn hub facial recognition sir everything's joining dts Just wrote reading of all of the titles because it's going to get you in trouble But how was that? How was that? I'm just saying I'm trying to head off a problem before it happens. I I can see the problems Okay, all right. Where is the problem of the last one that was not a not one that you're going to consider for the title Like we're not the ones you know, we're not going to consider All right, well in that case I'm doing it for you roger Oh, I Maybe The climax of ai. I'm sorry. That's a good one That's fair. If you think it's a good one, that's fair. Hey, I thought the last one was good cheese I know did you really though today? I um slightly uh You know, but it's clever. Okay. All right I don't hate it I just don't know, you know What are I'll tell you right now. I'm not putting porn in the title. That's so there Fine. No My last happy birthday from the future Last will in sms. I like that one Yeah, no, yeah buggy sarah I just worry that because it's about somebody's suicide. Yeah, I know that does make it's not if it was, you know Past quietly in his sleep at age 85. It's got a different vibe Right. I hear you Um I like big kindles and I cannot lie It's not that much bigger, but you know, it's it is technically that is true Yeah, well, and we did talk about how oh the being heavier is a good thing Right. Yeah, like who wants a thin little kindle Too light and it's no fun, you know eating face in an oakland booty Well, happy birthday from the world of tomorrow Well, it's not even that's we spied my bad hard to decipher touched by um A lot of porn ones here. So I I'm actively blocking it, uh Also skipping any will related ones We have worked ourselves into a corner here You have worked yourself into Well, the big books are better My new life is a cyborg One of us one of us, you know We that's I don't like that one. How do you feel about that one rush? Yeah, why not? Sounds good. What a purest enthusiasm Cyborg Yeah, no, I hear you. I totally hear you. I'm still a slight bit jet lagged, but I'm in that sweet spot Between the jet lag, you know where I I was awake in both time zones Hey, so that is that the pick my life is a My new life is a cyborg. Yeah, I'm good with that What else what else is going on? Nothing nothing. There's just nothing going on You mean in the world or oh, yeah, I thought you were talking about titles still Oh, no, no, I was saying now that we've picked the title What else oh the world, you know, hi tom. I'm not the right person to ask The world has been welling me out this week Well, not not it doesn't have to be the world according to twitter like Um, yeah, no, I guess you're right though There is actually, you know what there's I have I have actually a good story. So, um, If you know earlier this week, um, where I'm from where my mom lives now. It was a huge fire Lot of devastation just really really sad stuff. There is a It's sort of like a zoo of sorts called safari west That's in the northern part of santa rosa, which is the city in northern california and it's you know lions and tigers and giraffes and it's this big swat the land and it's really cool and kids go there and it's It's really fun. Like it's like a cool Zoo run by people who really care about animals and you know are interested in Letting as many people as possible see these animals up close and during the fire The man who runs safari west Um saved all of his animals and let his own house burn Wow, because he felt that the animals and they're like a thousand animals at the safari west a lot Um, where you know, that was actually what his life's calling was always meant to be Um, and he kind of had to make a decision and none of the animals died That's amazing. I thought that was really great. Yeah Um, and it's it, you know, it's not near us in la although we have our own fires here But they're not nearly at the scale of sonoma napa Um, but it it has been devastating up there and you know I mentioned that sarah wasn't on the show monday because of the fires and her mom lives up there and your mom's okay You're she's she's fine. She was evacuated and it was a little touch and go for a while But no, she's back home. They have power again. So She's been really lucky Yeah, but it's uh, yeah, it's it was You were the first I heard about it Uh, because because it had just started on sunday and it wasn't till monday that it was really getting out of control Yeah, yeah, it was really scary at least gary. Um, I think a lot of people You know, you think like oh gosh, you know something catastrophic happening, especially when you're you know far away from home or otherwise helpless is um You know and and not everybody is out of the woods yet, but um, just considering that it's sort of where i'm from I've been obviously glued to this whole thing and oh sure. Yeah some some of the nicer stories that have come out of it of just You know people go in the extra mile or just people who are firefighters My god, can we just thank people who choose to be firefighters as a profession? absolutely uh, I can't wildfire fighting is for crazy people I can't think of anything that would be more sort of dangerous and difficult. Yeah, it's incredibly difficult Not to mention dangerous like you said and and it takes it takes a a certain mindset I mean you could be the strongest smartest person in the world and not be able to do that job because it requires just a specific mental state and and ability That that only some people have and thank goodness those people are willing to put their lives on the line literally Yeah, I know I know it's it's it's um It's so admirable. It really is And the the the one the people that I've talked to who do that Sort of I don't shrug it off per se, but they're like well, you know, it's I like I can do it and and I want to do it and You know, they sort of feel like, you know, I'm sure you'd do it too if you're good. I'm like, I don't know I don't you know, I I'd like to think that I would but um, it's it's impressive Yeah, totally is So, yeah, what else what else is going on tom? You made it back from the uk. I sure did You know just an intact the the meetup was great Again huge thanks to everybody at the founders factory and will harris And chelsea and graham and claire and all of those folks who put it on There was an epic ping pong match between myself and will um that came down to to uh to the the very last point And then will one You know, but he was the host that couldn't really be them, right? Yeah, you know, yeah, that's Would have been brutal the english way a light uh and then ian morris and I uh played Some ping pong after that and uh, we just sort of stopped cat counting He just played for fun and then decoded a tie Yeah Um, yeah that founders factory is really interesting. It's it's in the same building as the daily tell as wait, uh daily mail Daily mail. Yeah It's a very yeah, it's very which is uh Yeah, well and and not even just tabloid II but old school journalism like The oldest of of old school and will says it's it's hilarious because all of these startups in the startup accelerator Will go to the pub there on the corner And they'll be sitting right next to these like hardened old school journalists Uh, and he's just like it's it's the craziest thing And this is in what part of london. This is in kencington So really posh neighborhood, so it's a nice. Yeah, that's nice Oh, isn't that nice, um, I went to a um Um I guess that was a we work facility You know, which is like a co-working space. Yeah when I was in london a couple of years ago And like in the soho area It was beautiful. I mean the space was nice. We had conference rooms. They had lunch and you know Beer on tap and it was like, oh, this is great It's I've been to we works in california and the london one seemed like twice as good Way nicer. Yeah Uh, we got to go to the youtube space london because one of eileen's friends still works there That one is crazy Well, it's it's all of google london and youtube combined, but the offices are just ridiculous. They're in uh king's cross Right next king's cross station Yeah, I know I have this big glass building that we can just see out over all of london I think facebook has a big hub there too. Yeah Because I've been to the facebook offices in king cross king's cross It's not the silicon roundabout, but more tech companies are moving there Interesting Silicon roundabout, what do you call it in australia raj? It's so there's the silicon beach silicon valley silicon hills in austin the silicon roundabout in london I assume it's the silicon cafe where you smoke gawas in paris. I'm not sure what it's called there You have a you have a name for it in australia anywhere not not really our uh our sort of like vc Industry is really just in its infancy and uh, there's I guess there's probably been like really Like some names banded about but they had to have them caught on because they're so stupid and everyone goes well No, there's silicon valley and that's it. You've got silicon valley. No I was uh in australia. You just have brisbane and melbourne and sydney and the cities that you have an office in But yeah, it's it's really interesting. We only just sort of got Sort of true startup accelerators in the last 18 months. I'd say to it maybe two years Everything else is coming out from the us So like you would have you want to go through an accelerator program or something like that It was us backed and funded and essentially the program was picking you up and relocating you to san francisco be in the real silicon valley and On your flight Here's how you set up a company in the us Here's how you incorporate yourself in the us and here's how you pitch to people in the us So I feel like that is not the way it is these days and it's it's interesting that that wasn't that long ago Yeah, and and so now finally a couple of vc firms, but then there was a huge scandal with one of them called 500 startups. I think it was uh-huh in with the victorian government and the uh The director of the accelerator being I want to say that was like Could be wrong. It was like a workplace harassment issues or something Yeah, so that all went No, it's probably yeah a big setback. Yeah. Yeah, not great Yeah Uh, I think we're good here. So thanks everybody for hanging out with us and uh, goodbye to the video viewers We'll see you tomorrow