 Hey folks, we'll give you a few more minutes to be able to have more people come on in I See dims. I see Emily. I see more folks coming on in quiet group today Almost the end of year Amy. You know, we are not yet in the circle back to the holidays season Like we have a few more weeks like come on it. Oh Come on it. It's gonna be fine Well this meeting should have like, you know, we're gonna talk about like the hey, how was your cube con? We're gonna talk about projects moving levels. We might even give some folks some time back. We'll see Yeah, I see like the yeah nods things I'll give it like one more minute and then we'll get we'll kick off. So All right, we've got 27 people here and that's pretty much what we kick off with so Dimms passing to you there Okay, next slide, please It's the normal welcome welcome welcome You have made it to the meeting Yes, you're here. Yeah TOC member the tractor we're in the public meeting doc We don't need quorum today. So nope. We sure don't Yeah so first item on the agenda One thing that I can think of is Did folks think about the topics that we talked about in the TOC and The tag leads So to say Meeting yeah, I'll just move on to like the normal slide. Here's here's our some details around where we're going for We're gonna have transparency report published in early December, but we had like 17,000 folks attending both physically and virtually and a little under half on site and And we've got cloud native security con coming for february in seattle So that's on cube con I'm going to imagine there were several Okay, Bob's it's favorite one yet. You might be biased I'm still getting kudos on your talk, Bob. Is that why? Thanks So if you if you didn't make it to cube con go watch The talk from bob killen, please. Okay. Uh, is there anybody here who was in that meeting that I was just talking about and Want anything that we need to follow up here? Mostly we were talking about how do we make sure that All the tags are healthy and how to You know send work and people the tags way So that we can scale Going forward Given the number of projects that we are Is seeing that are coming in How do we make sure that We involved all the tag leadership in the right way, so You know, it's not enough for just the toc to scale with bringing in projects, but also all the Projects to actually have guidance from tags That they are associated with. I'm just going to call on people then Okay, emily. Did you Did you have any thoughts after that meeting? Yeah, so we had a Really good long discussion boost about better engagement with the tags better support for the tags and requests from the C and execution of their normal dated their normal functions in addition to that we kind of Focused really heavily around the expectations for projects moving Between phases within the foundation from sandbox incubation to ensuring that they reach The maturity levels that we're looking for So, um, I'm hoping over the next month. There will be a new issue on the repo to kind of Summarize what some of those discussions are and create an initial framework for discussion Around how do we improve those communications? How do we better measure maturity and set expectations both with tags on requests that are being made to them? but also on projects that are looking to move levels or Potentially seeking to hit those milestones at a later date Sounds good. Uh, Katie. Did you have any thoughts about? As follow-up that we could be doing Nothing specific. I think like Yeah, it's been echoed before Yeah Matt Riccardo Yeah, I also didn't have anything to add to what Emily also said Then let's flip To the other side and see if any of the tag leaders who made it to the meeting Riccardo, were you there? Yeah, no, I wasn't in that meeting so I'm not really sure when it was so I'm sure it got the invite Okay, we need to do better on that next time But in general like the topic was around like how do we make sure that the tags are healthy? How how is your tag doing? Yeah, that makes sense. I mean we we need more Contributors more people excited about you know the specific things that the tags are involved with and You know bringing in more projects So typically in our tag meetings we get like four or five people in every meeting, right? So we'd like to get that number a little bit higher So people, you know doing different things So yeah, so so in any way you can help the tags Grow that The better the better it is For sure, okay. I think we are out of ideas now Let's go to the next one What did we want to talk about? Bring out like the folks in the room Sure, absolutely. I don't remember who it was that really requested being able to say hey Let's do this particular meeting with like, you know, let's let's hold this meeting and talk about kubecon. Do you remember? No, I might have been Kathy, but I'm I'm so like I'm kind of losing like the Who might have been No, so the questions How's your kubecon there? Yeah Really, I don't remember that Opening it up to the rest of the room then Ricardo. Go ahead So how was kubecon overall? Do we do we get a? More participants more attendees than last time or Or in general I haven't read the the report yet, but Just wanted to get a sense of what people thought about it I don't think we could compare it to like the san diego one Because that was all in person, right? but So this was like about half and half of virtual and physical I have no idea how it was for the virtual folks, uh, whether Uh, were there any one on the call here who attended virtually? so, uh, the the You know, the physical one was definitely You know a little bit smaller Just going by the size of how many people came to the Kubernetes contributor summit that gave that gives me a Uh, you know a comparison um And I was not able to attend Some a lot of the sessions so I was basically walking The boots and trying to meet people and so on Yes, bob, uh, so Do you remember how much how many how many people were there in the san diego summit bob? or cuban atus contributors um, I believe it was Close to 500 Yeah But that was also when we were doing the new contributor workshop as part of it which accounts for about 200 So I think I think Definitely smaller. Um, you know Then san diego, um, it's a general Feeling Does that help ricotta? Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, we're not back to pre-pandemic levels yet Yeah, and I think next year doesn't look that great either. So I mean it I mean It might be similar to this year, right because um, there's a lot of uncertainty in the economy like with companies laying off people but You know, but hopefully we can continue You know growing the the ecosystem absolutely yes, uh, the The travel policy visa stuff was definitely You know had its effect a lot of people from india were not able to get in Because they couldn't get their visas and You know working with the u.s Government to get a visa is a big problem for sure And there wasn't enough time between Between the time people got accepted for travel for for example for you know students who were um becoming who got Scholarship starting they couldn't make it Yes, yeah How about the total number of folks I mean attended virtually and physically 17k is that compare with last one? 17k the total number half of it were on site Yeah, I'm talking about the total number compare with the Great pandemic total number Is it more I don't have the data for the prey And then make number. Amy. Do you remember? I don't I don't actually um, so like but I know that the the transparency port will be published um in early december and uh Yeah, bob has the uh total from san Diego bob passing to you You have this better than I do Why's bob? I I I had to do a whole lot of trip reports and things like that lately Um, but yeah, I I re if I recall correctly san diego was between 12 and 13,000 Um, and that was you know in person only um Now it's I've if I do recall correctly that was the highest of any, you know kubecton previously So that was like essentially the peak um I don't think we can really compare in person numbers to those reasonably just because of of all the you know Changes in the grand environment of things in there. Um Like seven k in person my personal opinion is is pretty solid I was expecting a little bit more than than you which also is about seven but still like Not bad with everything that happened right So looking forward I I think the cfps for kubecton eu is closing soonish um Then we have the chicago after that End of this week. Yeah So Let's do you want to speak up please No worries, okay This is a a contribution that's like way less traffic in the expo hold in valencia probably because there was no need to go through to reach food Um, I thought I saw somebody else unmute as well I think the expo hall was also much bigger than valencia. So that's what I was going to say They spaced it out really Broadly between the boots Okay, bob you had a hand Oh, I was just gonna say the the size of the expo hall was was larger by the people turned into it All right, okay So but the people they got were like the right people to get so it's balance right Jack I thought you might have unmuted a bit ago And then just hey Are you are you talking to me amy? Yeah. Yeah. I thought I thought I was like the you popped up as like the somebody to be able to come on in um, yeah, I don't know if this is the right forum for it, but I was um helping With one of the project booths and I just felt that the project kiosk area just got really little traffic I also um felt like really bad for some of The projects that were like directly facing the back wall because I think like people didn't even know that there were kiosks back there so um I think that and again to get the grain of salt I also feel like we need to be a little bit more creative in how we position some of these project kiosk because They are kind of the heart of the foundation um And it it's a shame that like They're kind of tucked away in a corner um So that was that was one of the things that I experienced because I was staffing it um I think also like one of the things I did and I you know, I it was one of those kids I I didn't ask for permission. I definitely asked for forgiveness, but I had like this pull-up banner Um, and they were like, oh, you're not supposed to like bring additional marketing materials and all that kind of stuff, which is like totally fine. Um But in in this case when you're tucked away in that corner like how else do you bring visibility to your project? um And then I was asked to take it down But then there were other projects that weren't asked So I think just having more clear communication on on what some of these guidelines are But I think we just need to come up with the A different position for the project kiosk is being tucked away in a corner like they get no visibility Yeah, you're absolutely right. I felt the same thing as well. Jack Jackie I've put comments over in slack. That's not slack. Um, the chat as well But we we do know about the issue of the the project booths being kind of like, yeah Not positioned where they should be um, and we'll take that back into the team Thank you. I sorry, I didn't mean to like complain, but it was just It was one of those things that I was like Right, yeah Yeah, no hose bar, please. I think it's great. It's a great suggestion. So yeah, right other things How was the day zero events? Um Folks go to it and was it okay? I think there might be some changes coming down the pike on that The the events were hold in the full day and some of the events Um, they didn't have any, um, you know, it didn't cost So folks signed up for it. But then People didn't end up going there and uh, so there were some issues around that too Yes, uh less too many days zero events Yeah, and the people were uh going between the Kubernetes contributor summit and the day zero event because you know, they had to they had work in both that they had to do So that was a little bit of a problem too, okay That's about it. Amy on this topic. No, totally fair. Um, I I see bob so unmuted bob last last chance to be able to weigh in on things Oh, um, no, that was just my comment on the the too many hello events. Um, Sorry, nope. Nope. No worries. No worries. But one of those things were like the uh, When the mic is unmuted it signals to me that you have something to say If you don't have anything to say, that's also fine. Ricardo final thoughts um, yeah regarding the day zero events maybe in the future we could think about suggesting Yeah, creating a Like cloud native security account type of events, you know for some of those day zero events right I'm like torn on that, uh, because you know Like I'm I won't be going to Seattle in February just for the cloud need a security account But if it was part of the conference, maybe I could have gone for a couple of talks So it's it's a balance between the two, right? And The other thing also is like we have to try these cons and see how it works, right? And what is the mix of people that we are getting to those like is it more hands-on people Who are on the community side or is it like folks? More folks from the vendors and people who are looking so we have to figure out like what does that balance and Uh, you know First of like what do we what are we planning and then the other side would be like who actually shows up Uh, right Emily Yep, there is a lot of discussions. I know I've been involved in and many others in the community about day zero events, kolo events, the content of the events Program selection for those events and scheduling. How does that overlap with the content of kubecon directly? So we've if you all have ideas, I would definitely say please suggest them because the co-chairs of kubecon while we don't have any influence or impact over the kolos. We are a voice of the community to kind of surface a lot of these questions or feedback back to the events team to build a better event for all attendees While still balancing the needs of the community as well as our adopters and our end users and all of The different individuals that exist within our ecosystem So any kind of feedback that you have on the kolos if the quality of the content is good Or if you had challenges with some of the content if tutorials should be moved out or maybe better integrated Maybe doing an advanced track. There's all sorts of different suggestions that we've received And anything else is certainly beneficial for us in prioritizing or weighing those moving forward Yeah, feel free to use the toc slack or mailing list, you know, even after this meeting you If you think of something or if you're co-workers think of other things, you know, please Push them to send some feedback our way with that jump on into our project's planning move levels. There's a lot in here I'll kick us off with dave if you're actually available for voice today Oh, yeah, I'm here And I guess on artifact hub there hasn't been a heck of a lot of activity I really just probably need to sit down with matt and for us to decide what to do here because I feel like it's kind of just been sitting here and we haven't done much for a few meetings That is a fine action item to like the we are going to go figure this one out Yes, I feel like I said that last time too and we didn't so we just need to actually do that So I don't say the same thing next time Well, uh, you've got a couple weeks like the next time we're going to do this is basically like early december So you got a couple weeks All right, perfect. That's perfectly fine. Um All right open your to pass into dims pass into lee uh, yes so I've not been able to do much over the last few weeks after kipcon. I ended up going to You know the elef member summit as well. So this is the first week back at work. So hopefully I'll Go visit all the issues NPRs and see if there are dd docs available That's the same with Open your Strimsy and q flow as well for me So if you are on any of those projects, please expect me to ping you this week Harry any updates? Look, can you hear me? Yeah, come on in well Yeah, so several updates and First of all, I'll go and right now it's on their public comment period with More collaborations women tenors than to see side Hopefully we can't move to vote after that public public comment period And the second update regarding to several incubation level Sorry, applying for incubation level projects including kubu vela and open cruise The maintainers from those two project already collaborates on the to see side and and as well as the tag To drop to the first version of their due diligence doc So right now, I'm still looking at the documentation and take the review in the meantime There are also Scheduling and user interviews and the timeline about about that interview should be late November and early December So hopefully we can finish all of the interview during that period of time. Yep. That's all I have for now That was great. That actually pulls us all the way through Lux which is met arena and that one's actually in public comment and Matt you and I will chat about that today Sounds good to me cool One idea that You know, some of us were thinking about was hey, we have two projects going out at the same around the same time Let's do something together, right? Like, you know, just to show that we are not king makers and like we You know, and we are putting out two projects in the same space So maybe we can do something together there Yeah, no worries. I mean like the with like argo and and and flux seem to be moving like the pretty much like exactly the same space And uh, as I've noted in chat the 23rd is the vote day for argo. So nice All right, we've got cryo kata silliam and falco um cryo I know dem see if you've just gotten back to the office, but talk to us about where we're cryos and Kathy go ahead the cryo following the work because of my involvement in signal for sure keeping tabs on them and but I have to go back to them Look at the issue. Look at the dd docs and get started on that Kathy Yeah, so for the yeah, so cryo I Yes, dense. Yeah, I think in the next time when we schedule a meeting. Yeah, we can schedule a meeting with them um Yeah, I was assigned to that too and for the kata project um the um, they're starting to update their existing dd and um, because I was on standby for jury duty this week. So, um I'm going to schedule a meeting with them for next week or after things Sittles down for this week. Yeah That makes a lot of sense Amy, did you want to give us a refresher about the differences between the incubation and the graduation? Yeah But little things if we could all use a refresher, right? Oh, sure. So the focus is really around like the Like getting like a really in-depth Due diligence around moving into incubation incubation is kind of like the the place that we've really said is like We should spend time to be able to make sure that this project is really ready for this graduation isn't is working being able to make sure that it is updated and The way that we've thought about this in the past is The graduated projects the ones that we say the toc says you can use this in production like this. This is strong enough to be able Maintain in production and emily. I'm going to look to you to be able to like correct any of the words if I've said bad words No, you're good. Um In fact, I can provide an update on cillium and falcos since both of those are applying for graduation um So katie and I have already engaged with the cillium project to put an error request for them to refresh their due diligence document To be comprehensive updating it with the current state of the project leveraging the new dd template as of july of this year And covering the graduate graduation exit criteria with a list of potential adopters to choose from And we've received confirmation back from the project that they've got it and they're running with it And the same thing for falco exactly the same request refreshing the dd doc covering graduation criteria adopters list So we're moving forward fairly well And there doesn't seem to be any concerns at this time That is super Um any updates around falco? Or no, you just got falco that that's okay. Um, all right anything else that we haven't covered today I saw the comment and chat about how flux completed two-week public comment period yesterday Yes, and I need to go like uh approve with uh matt farina to be able to kick off a vote So, all right, well, please. Um, so I I think we we might want Second to see member on the g rpc and keda Right, um, so Anyone I can use keda keda Ricardo that's a good fit. Okay. Thank you. I will mark that down Yeah, g rpc justin as we carry it for a long time for sure. Yeah Yeah, we'll we'll ask him again. Um on on slack or On the private mailing list for an update All right Anything else that we should cover today Oh, um, Amy. Do you want to give people a heads up on the election process kicking off in early time and what they can do to prepare for it? So, uh It is one to see elections are coming to they're coming in january because anything happening over december everybody just forgets about it And it turns in like the festival the last minute and all of that So january january second is when nominations are going to open for to see and one of the things that we are thinking about is probably taking one of these meetings to talk about like What the to see does like so do you want to be on like to see and like how do all of these pieces come together? Would that be of interest for? other folks on the call I think it'll be definitely of interest to the candidates. Uh, exactly I mean if you're here on this call, you are possibly going to be a a candidate for to see I'll take silence's violent agreement then But uh, yeah tracking towards being able to do like, uh nominations will open in january We'll go through a qualifying period and hopefully be able to have everyone seated by the end of january. So it'll be a tight Like, you know election timeline, but it's so much better than trying to be able to open things over the holiday. So And yes, we absolutely do want them to be informed about what they're getting into in here. It's a good time Yeah, so um, that will be part of the uh official agenda for the december Meeting and we're looking at calendars. That's going to be a december 6th meeting. So tags get ready. Good fun Yes, Emily It's okay Yeah Yeah, and always available for questions around like, you know, hey like to see work like should I should I sign up all of that? Um, yeah, happy to be able to answer questions around that Yeah, same with steering keyboard is steering too Yeah, there's always fun stuff happening. Um, you know fun in a good way and it's good work It's good work. Yeah. Yeah So the the thing that keeps me going is like the The stuff that you end up doing helps so many people So, uh, it's always, uh, you know, it's the journey is worth it Okay, uh anything else Yes Ricardo All right hearing violent interest from the room just just overall and specifically I will send everybody back into their day. It's good to see all of you Bye everyone. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Thank you