 All right. So I am Carrie Perron from UW Seattle Psychology Department. And I come here right about this time every year. And I always joke that I live on Vashon Island. And so if I had a little boat, I could just literally where I live is right across the water from here. Like, I can see my road from here. But instead, it's a little bigger trip. But I always like coming. And you guys, as I said before, you're going to have to ask a lot of questions. But you'll all get very good attention. So there's a few things that I want to cover kind of broadly about our department, our major entry to the major. And then let you guys ask any questions you have. And so one thing is just kind of, largely speaking, what is our major about? What do we focus on? It's a really good, broad-based introduction to different fields within psychology. We have faculty who work in child development and social and personality. We actually have a very recent MacArthur Foundation award winner, which is a big deal. And she works in the social personality area and works with transgender and gender non-conforming youth in their social development. So that's pretty cool. We have folks in behavioral neuroscience, animal behavior, child and adult clinical, and cognition and perception. And so the classes that you'll have access to will be many of them taught by people who are doing that current research right now. And so you'll get some of the front-line information, which is always cool. Come get cookies. Don't be shy. Get cookies. Seriously. I'm sorry. And what we don't provide, which is the case with most undergraduate psych programs, is we don't provide sort of the hands-on applied training. So you're not going to be trained to be a counselor in that program. That usually happens in a graduate program. But you will get a great preparation to go into that field or a huge number of other fields. We have a lot of times a lot of students making the assumption that if you're going to study psych, you're going to go into some sort of counseling or mental health field. And I would say that the majority of our students probably don't. I had a panel of fairly recent alumni come to an orientation that we did for incoming transfer students this summer. And there were probably five panelists. One of them was in mental health. One was a police officer. One is a program manager at Amazon. One is a zookeeper. And the other one is a data scientist. And so that is pretty representative of the breadth of areas that our students go into. So it's a great major to be a springboard to a lot of things. And one thing that we do within the major is to try to help you decide what you want to be doing, ultimately, is give you opportunities to have different experiences. So trying undergraduate research, fieldwork, so volunteering out in the community, peer teaching. UW offers a ton of study abroad experiences. And I am super cheerleader for study abroad. So I will help our students to make that fit into their program. So I think that's probably lots of student leadership experiences. So a lot of things to do there. So we do offer both a Bachelor of Arts and a Bachelor of Science, which is something a little unusual in undergrad psych programs. Our Bachelor of Science has a heavier quantitative focus. So the idea being that our faculty felt like for students who want to go into a research oriented PhD program, ultimately, the Bachelor of Science gives you a stronger foundation in statistical analysis, data analysis. And it does also require some undergrad research. I would say about anywhere from a quarter to a third of our students graduate with a Bachelor of Science. So most of them are the Bachelor of Arts. It's about a 25 credit difference. The BS requires calculus. And that's a decision point for a lot of students who are not super comfortable with pre-calculation calculus level math. That would be me. So any questions? I do want to ask if you have any questions about that BA, BS difference. At the point that you enter the major, we do ask students to say what they plan to pursue, but we don't look differentially at applicants based on what track they wanted to pursue. I would say if you're thinking that you want to go into the Bachelor of Science track at UW, you would be well served to finish Calc 1 here, if possible, just because and definitely finish pre-calculate. And if your pre-calculate is at 141, 142, if you're going to be doing that, whether you're doing the BA or the BS, if you take 141, take 142. Because if you transfer only with 141, you're going to have to take more math at UW, which nobody wants to do. So admission to the major is quarterly. So we take applications every single quarter, including summer. It's more competitive in summer because we only admit relatively few students. We look for completion of intracyc, biopsychology, psych research methods, and a math class, either at that pre-calculate level or at the, is it, do you guys call it 116 or 111? 111. So either 141, 142, or 111 is what you need. It's getting over a cold, so the voice is not great. We look for really very specifically for the cumulative GPA in those three side courses. The math needs to be a 2.0 or higher, but the cumulative for the three side needs to be about a 3.2 or 3.3 to be competitive. Highline offers all of our pre-ret courses, so if you have the opportunity to take them here, that's awesome. If you don't, then they'll be available for you when you come to UW and we offer them every single quarter. And we have transfer students coming in in fall quarter and winter quarter, some in summer also, but primarily fall and then winter. And we save spaces in those classes for incoming transfer students because they register late. So you're pretty much guaranteed to get whatever you didn't finish here in your first quarter, so that way you'd be able to apply in your second quarter. A lot of people will talk about it being a highly competitive major. And it's among what at UW they like to call now capacity constrained majors, which means competitive. And I don't like that. I want to take everybody, but if we max out our classes and nobody can get what they need to graduate, that's why there is a level of competitiveness. I work really closely with our transfer student population, and I am very dedicated to getting you guys into the major because I feel like it's almost morally incorrect to accept you to the university. You come in as a junior, and then a quarter or two later to say, no, find another major. So I will like, I'll work with you guys. So if you have any struggles here or any struggles on transition to UW, we'll be there for you. So we're very approachable in the advising office. If you do transfer in fall quarter, we will have special transfer orientations for you. And then in fall quarter, I lead a two credit class that's specifically for first quarter transfer students to give you a really in depth orientation to the major, the department resources available to you. And they're usually, I think, this quarter of 64 students. And that's probably, we probably had 80 incoming transfer students, so it's the majority of those students are in the class. And it's also a nice way to kind of find some community and have a softer landing, perhaps. So you can watch for that if you come in in fall quarter. Some students have questions about will getting an undergraduate degree at UW help me to get into the graduate program at UW? No. So generally speaking, it's considered sort of academically healthier to go somewhere for your graduate work other than where you do your undergraduate. But that being said, we do out of very, very few students that we admit to our graduate program every year. In the 23 years that I've been there, there's always been one of our alums among that group. So overall, tough odds. Probably admitting about 15 to 18 students a year out of roughly 800 applicants, so it's intense. But it is a highly research focused program. So if that's not there, you wanna go into that's not where you should be anyway. But we'll help you out a lot when you're at UW. If you have questions about grad school, my colleague Vicki actually every fall quarter has a seminar where she works specifically with students who are exploring grad school and takes them through the process of finding places to apply, tips on the GRE, writing personal statements. She's just like a wizard at that. Thinking about letters of recommendation, things like that. So we'll give you a lot of guidance on that. So we do, in the advisory officers myself and two other advisors, Sian, Vicki and the purple hand out, I believe has all our names on there and contact information. So always feel free to reach out. Reading my notes. So any questions at this point? Yes. You said that the cumulative GPA for the three side classes should be three, two to three, three, at least to be competitive. But on this handout, there's a little faster because the minimum of 2.5 came up to 4.1. So it's 2.5 to be considered. And you're not gonna get in with 2.5. And in fact, for the last several years in every quarter except summer. So summer again, much more competitive but fall, winter and spring, it's been a 3.2. This quarter was a 3.3. Just because we had an unusually large number of applicants and even cutting at 3.3, we took many more students than we anticipated. So I don't know if that's the new normal. I hope not. I feel like, you know, shouldn't need a B plus to get into your major. But that's me. So other questions about access in the major or classes within it or options? Yes. I was told to take a site to 50 year. And did I get substituted? That's the research methods. Yes, yeah. Yeah, again, if you can take them here, you have a fantastic faculty and they'll prepare you well. And we will be giving that class in winter. We used to give it every spring but we're changing when we're doing it. So we're giving it in winter this next quarter and we'll be here if you're all just right because of that. But remember, we only have space for you if you need to take it there. And it really is the norm to come to you, Deb, and still need to take something before getting into the major. But, you know, I would say if you are, if it's a choice between finish all of our prerequisites, you know, the three side courses or make sure that your math is done, I would make sure that the math is done. Just unless you love math and are going to plan to, you know, do a statistics minor or, you know, double major in math or just really enjoy that. But I just typically see a lot of our students who have, that's kind of a challenge area for them. And what I always say is, and we actually have a lot of students who transfer in and end up going back to their community college to take math just because the class size is so much smaller. You get more individualized attention. You're being taught by people who are doing their work because they want to be teaching primarily. So it can be a better experience for a lot of people. The other thing that I would encourage folks to get done before you transfer is the foreign language requirement. And at the level that it's required to graduate from UW. And in most cases, you know, I wouldn't talk about what you need to graduate. But to graduate from UW, you need either three years of a single foreign language in high school or you need to be a native speaker of a language other than English or you need to complete through the third quarter college level of a language. And what you need to get into UW is just through the second year of college level, if you don't have high school or native speaker. And so again, I have a lot of people who transfer in, have completed Spanish 102 and now it's been several quarters since they took that and they now have to finish Spanish 103 and it's kind of a, it's a good thing to avoid. So finish your foreign language here, finish your math here, take what psych you can. And we don't, other than those three gateway courses, the intro, biopsych and research methods, other psych courses you take here, don't transfer directly to fulfill requirements within the major but can be really useful as electives. And for example, if you take an abnormal psych here or a social psych or a child development class, it's gonna transfer you to UW at the 200 level but you're gonna be able to use that class to as a prerequisite for upper division courses in those areas. So they're still very useful for you to take. Other thing? It's a major that's definitely doable to get done within two years when you transfer. I think a lot of people have concerns. It's like, you know, I get there and am I really gonna be able to finish, you know, on time within my four years total? And even with the Bachelor of Science which is more credits, the answer is yes and we'll really work with you to help you do that. I, you know, we do like to get our students as soon as possible kind of involved in those experiential things that I mentioned before. The research, field work, study abroad, student leadership. And so if you do transfer in and take that first quarter class with me, we'll each week, we'll go over one of those things and give you a really in depth introduction to how to access those. Cause, you know, boy, I feel like our transfer students come in and it's just this amazing download of information during orientation and then it takes a long time to sort of get your feet on the ground there, figure out literally how to navigate the campus but also how to navigate the resources and opportunities. So that's why we developed that class for our first quarter students in it. I think it really helps and people come out of that, you know, often with friend groups that they keep throughout their studies and beyond. And I always have usually six students who are in the class of the prior year who are peer leaders and each of them has a mentor group and so it's pretty cool. And I've already in the class this quarter, usually right toward the end of the quarter I'm sort of hitting them up and saying, if anyone's interested in being a peer leader next year, let me know and they sort of trickle into my office throughout winter quarter. But this quarter, I don't know, they're a super engaged group and I've already had four people ask me if they could do it next year. So that's kind of fun. Our faculty are awesome and very accessible to students. We do at our summer orientations have faculty members come in and talk about, you know, kind of what they're, what they do, how they interact with students outside the classroom, why you should come to office hours. How many of you guys go to office hours now? No, okay. What? No, that's all right. It's honest. A lot of times folks will feel like I don't want to go to office hours because I don't have a question about the material because the instructor covered it so well in class and I've got my study group and it's all fine. But our faculty feel like, you know, especially because our classes are a lot bigger than these, come to office hours just so they know who you are, you know, and so that you get to know them a little bit and go and if you don't have a question about the class, go and ask about what was their pathway like to get to where they are, what do they enjoy about their work? What advice do they have? And, you know, it's a great way to start to create those relationships. I think here you maybe don't do it as much because your classes are smaller and you get to know your professors a lot better and there's that little bit more time right after class or before class to ask questions. But at UW it's gonna feel, it's gonna feel a little daunting because if you're taking biopsych or methods there in your first quarter, you're gonna be in classrooms with two and 300 students and yeah, right? And so you'll feel like, wow, how is anyone gonna ever see me? And so you have to kind of, on so many fronts, at a large school like that, you have to advocate for yourself and you have to kind of find your resources and find your go-to people and we'll be that for you in the advising office and we'll always be there. Even if you have a question that has nothing to do with psych or the major, we'll be there to help connect you with the people who can help you because that's, you know, I've been on campus for 30 years and in the psych department for 23 and so I think some of the greatest value that students get out of that is that I know where things are and I know who to call when you need something and I lost a huge chunk of my go-to people in the registrar's office a few years ago but I'm building it back up again. They had sort of a change of leadership and a lot of people left. I'm like, no, I'll take my people. But we've got great folks in our admissions office, folks who, you know, will work with you outside of your major, folks in our career center, the undergrad research program, lots of ways to get involved and find people who'll be resources for you. We're just blowing through this so fast. Yes. I might know that seeing a project you've done is really valuable, so if you think you want to do it just think they're not gonna be able to write the letter at all even if they could say, oh, they got a 4.0 in my class because you're gonna be one out of a bunch of people but if you've come to talk to them and tell them you're in interest and you have conversations, you can work with them, they'll be able to write you letters and some of the times those are the most valuable things of getting you into graduate school. Right. And then, you know, graduate school but also certain kinds of employment situations, you know, or while you're in school, if you're applying for scholarships or study abroad programs, you need references for all of those. So, and it's, you know, as you said, it's, even if you've got a 4.0, if that's all they can say, that's something that somebody sees on your transcript and a weak letter that doesn't speak qualitatively about you is worse than no letter. Then it tells the person who's reading it, boy, they didn't connect with anyone, they don't have anyone who can talk about them and most places care if you can connect and make connections with people. So, what do you guys think you need to transfer? Fall? Fall? How many in this coming fall? A few later, earlier? Deciding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, well, hopefully I'm gonna see you guys in my class, maybe as peer leaders after that. So, what am I missing that I don't usually cover? I know it does. Usually, there are more people and more questions. No, not falsely, you guys, you're great. When you, when we're coming, you gotta have more than four classes. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so yours, yours is psych 100. So, 100, 202 and 250. Okay. To your foreign language requirement, either three years of high school or one year of college, the big one to get into the psych department is those big four, psych 100, psych 202, which is bio psych. So, you can transfer, you can get your A degree and go to the U.S. and not have one more of those done, but you're not a psych major yet, so huh? Yeah, if you don't do one, you come in and actually everyone, even if you've done all of them, everybody comes in as a pre-major. And then, for folks who have completed all those upon entry at UW, you apply to the major in your first quarter. So, you would be like the folks who came in like that this quarter were admitted last week. So, they're ready to be psych majors for registration purposes for winter. And we help them a lot with their fall registration. If you need to complete one or more of those in your first quarter, you can do that. Apply to the major in the second quarter. Quarter in which you apply is your little bit in limbo because you're not in the major yet, as far as registering for classes, but you finish all your prerequisites. And there are usually a lot of things that folks can still take. And a lot of our students coming in, even if you've gotten most of your general education requirements done for graduation, need a fair chunk of just elective credits to reach the 180 credits that you need to graduate. Even though, we always tell students, even though it feels like it doesn't count for anything, it counts towards what you need to graduate. And it hopefully expands your areas of interest. I mean, it's a big place. There's a lot there. That was a great way to try things that you never imagined. Yeah, I think, so that's a little bit of question that has to do with admission to the university, which is not my expertise, but I see a lot of students coming in without an associate's degree. If you have the opportunity to finish it, it does guarantee that you pretty much that you come in with 90 credits. That's a nice thing. But I think the admissions office does look pretty holistically at their applicants, and I think they care a lot about major readiness. So to the extent that in your statement that you write, that you can say, you know, I'm planning to major in psych. I've taken all the classes that I was able to at my community college and, you know, finish my math, you know, talk with an advisor here. I'm ready, you know, I'm ready to go. I think those are important things. I don't know that much about the sense. It's the, yeah, I admit to you, Deb. I honestly see things all over the spectrum. I see people, you know, just among the folks who are coming in that's, you know, planning to major in psych, because I look pretty closely at their transfer records, you know, prior to their first quarter. And I see a pretty wide range of GPAs. I see AAs, no AAs. I see people who have done, you know, a year to four-year college and then came to Washington and wanted to get residency and wanted to transfer in as a community college student and just take a couple quarters at the community college. So it's all over the place. There is a, I wouldn't say it's a preference given to people transferring in from the Washington community colleges, but there is a, there's an agreement that the UW made with the state that says a certain proportion of students transferring in need to be from the Washington community colleges. So it's the best route in. It's better than coming in as a freshman. It's a lot better than coming in as a four-year transfer student. So it's, it's really, you've made a good choice, I think. I think you don't want to, like, go to Western for a four-year and then try to transfer because they'll say, you're at a four-year, you don't need another four-year. So it's good to come. And we also, I'll let you guys know now, I was just telling my class about this a couple weeks ago, people ask sometimes if we have any scholarships within the psych department, and up until a couple years ago, I had to say, unfortunately, no, we have nothing. Now we have this amazing scholarship that we started offering last year, thanks to a very generous family named the Chandlers. And it is specifically for students who transferred from Washington community colleges. And it is offered once a year. It's a $4,000 scholarship that you can use for anything related to your education, which is pretty broad. They wanted it to be very broad, and it's in honor of, they had a son who was set to transfer to UW from Bellevue College and passed away a few weeks before. And so they set this up, and they're a fantastic family, and it does go with a preference for students who are interested in working with young people in some capacity. So when you come to UW, watch for that. It's always announced right around this time every year. And we do have another scholarship that is for research travel. So once you get a little farther on in your major, there's a way to get some funds if you're going to go and present some research you've done at a conference, at a national conference. Which is a difficult thing to do. Well, each of us can talk about research. Right, right. And we do offer credit also for both undergraduate research and undergraduate field work and for peer teaching. And the reason we offer the credit primarily is because we want you to be able to have those experiences and fit them into your schedule. And so if we were asking you to do that on top of a full course load, that's sometimes not possible for folks. The research is working with our faculty in their labs. So you're part of the research team. Students often make a two or three quarter commitment. So you really get to know the graduate students and the professor in the lab. You get to see what it looks like on the inside. You get to be the one who runs the subjects through experiments or who watches videotapes of client-therapist interactions and codes behaviors, or in some cases who does care for animals that the lab are working with. We also have a lot of students who go out in the community and volunteer in agencies and organizations in all kinds of areas in social services and counseling-related areas, education-related criminal justice, human resources, all over the place and try to kind of get their feet wet and get an experience of what it's like to be out there and to also start networking and figure out where you want to be, where you don't want to be. All these experiences do have the potential to really open doors, but they also have the potential to close doors for you, which is not a bad thing for you to think, oh my gosh, I was sure I wanted to do this. I tried it out, and wow, do I hate that. It's too stressful, it's too boring, it's too whatever. And so this helps you to sort of refine where you want to be. And that helps you, both in talking to employers when you're ready to graduate and in applying to grad school, it helps you to be able to really articulate why this program or this job and to have some proofs to show them. It's always great to be able to say, I'm this, I'm that. I'll be perfect for this, but to be able to tell stories and to tell an employer or graduate school why is pretty important. Yeah. I know it's scary for a home student to walk on that campus for the first time, and so what are some problems that you've seen that where people don't complete the program and they do drop out, they do have trouble and all that? You know, I think, and I hear this from, because I work so closely with our transfer student population, I hear this from them. I think a couple of the things that might trip them up are, especially in the first quarter, it feels like a huge transition, like a transition that you can't have imagined. Like, oh, it's a different place, it's a big campus, but there are some qualities that you can point to and some that seem intangible that just make it feel overwhelming for a lot of people. And so I think when people stumble a lot of times, what's important is for them to know that they need to reach out to somebody, to an advisor, to a faculty member sooner rather than later, because as you go through the quarter, I mean, we're in the quarter system like you guys are, it's fast and it doesn't take long to feel like, oh my gosh, I'm so behind, and as you go through the quarter, options sort of move off the table. So the sooner that if you're feeling some stress or some challenge or worry to come in early, and meet with someone is important. So I think it's that, I think when folks don't reach out, that is a pitfall often. And I hear also from a lot of students that, especially when they come in as a transfer student, they have things set where they were before, they had the rhythm of their life going a lot, a lot of our transfer students are a little bit older than traditional college age, may have families, maybe have kids, maybe have jobs that they're working a lot of hours and other commitments and are often commuting from sometimes a pretty great distance. And I have a student in my transfer class who commutes from Quilcin, do you guys know where that is? It's out, it's on the Olympic Peninsula. So it's out, it's out there. And I don't know how he's, his wife was a transfer student too and she was one of my peer leaders last year and they moved there kind of mid last year. And I'm like, oh my God, he's gonna do that. So they do it, they find ways to do it, but I think one thing that they report, especially if they've got a lot that they're juggling is that they have a hard time kind of finding connections and finding their people and finding time to get involved on campus and to sort of have the student experience. So I think a lot of times there's this feeling that, I'm just gonna dive in, do what I need to do and head home. And again, I think with both in the advising office when we meet with you individually, but also if you have the opportunity to be in this class, it helps you to see what's out there and to be able to start to pick and choose what you might wanna try. So I think it usually comes down to when people don't connect with others, whether that means reach out when they're struggling or just reach out to form a study group or to say, hey, do you wanna go to football game with me, that kind of thing. So I think it's the people thing that turns people up a lot. And a lot of times that's hard if it's not your personality to be out there, but there's so many wonderful things that a huge research institution offers in the way of opportunities, variety of classes, really rich experiences, but you do have to advocate for yourself and you have to sort of put yourself out there a little bit and that pushes a lot of people's comfort. So it would for me. It's not like I'm very introverted. So it's a tough thing to do. So if you're introverted, you can come talk to me and I will completely understand. So I'll give you some strategies. So where else are you guys thinking about applying? Western. Western? You're all less like E-Dubb. My son's at Central. I was saying that he's having a struggle. He's been there for a couple of years and I just don't think that the academic sort of classroom thing is where he ought to be right now, but people get there when they get there. I was so encouraging of him to try to start via a community college and see if it's time for his mom. So why would he listen? You said in the other year something about if students grades were not too far in one of those training classes. Yeah, so it's a 3.2, 3.3 cut off. What happens is when you took BioPsych here or at U-Dubb, it was a rough quarter. Things were going on or it was just, the material was hard for you to get through. And you got a grade that is pulling down that overall GPA. We let you retake. So when you do retake any class at U-Dubb, both grades are always on your academic records. So it's some institutions that the retake replaces the original grade, that's not the case at U-Dubb. But we do from our admission perspective, you do get a do over. So we do only look at the higher grade. And if you need to retake more than one class, that happens for sure. That's what will happen is if you apply the major and you're not admitted, the message you're gonna get is come talk to Carrie. And so I will then sit down with you and I probably already have at that point and just talk about your particular situation, what was going on for you and does it make sense to retake? Does it make sense to think about a different major? But I'll really look very closely with you at who you are and what your experience is. And as I said, I'm pretty dedicated to having our transfer students succeed. So you have an advocate there already. You have my contact info, it's on the purple sheet, yeah. What does the admission application look like and are there any tips that you're... So admission to the major application or to U-Dubb? To U-Dubb, it's, I know as I mentioned before, they do what they call holistic review. So they look at all different parts like when my son applied to Central and to Western, they really just looked at his grades and his SATs. You know, that's it. They didn't care about extracurriculars, they didn't care about anything like that. U-Dubb looks at who you are and where you come from. So I think it's good to talk about your journey and especially if you've had, if you stumble a little bit along the way, like talk about that, talk about why U-Dubb as opposed to other places. What does U-Dubb have to offer that is meaningful for you? What do you hope to experience there? But I think it's all, often in so many cases, whether you're talking to an employer at grad school or trying to get into the university, telling your story is so important and just being really genuine. And they're real people who read those essays. When it does come time to apply to the major once you're at U-Dubb, there, for better or for worse, it is completely cut and dried. It's completely cumulative GPA for those three. That's, you know, how many students are we gonna miss this quarter? Where does that fall? That's the cutoff. But then I do look at the human part of it for folks who aren't admitted. So it's, it is a numbers game, but it's a number game tempered with humanity. You might, there are two workshops. One, the personal statement workshop and we have human more valuable than that transfer portfolio workshop, which then we have to sign up for. And there are admissions officers from different universities. So I assume you do come and they'll look over your personal statements and give you feedback. So if you could have already written it by then, I think it's in November, but you have to sign up for it. I think November is coming out. And it's a nice, I just feel like, well, how much better can you get people to look it over and give you feedback? Yeah. If you can go to vote, you can sign up for the transfer's personal statement, but I'll be sure to break that and then it's complete back on October. And if you do have some more questions, you know, a little bit more about sort of what people, what they look for in admissions. My colleague, Sy Delgato, is in the psych department now, worked in admissions for nine years. He's been in our department for about three years. And so you could always say, you know, could give him a call or email him and say, hey, Carrie was at Highline and she said that you might have some insights. And now he's not doing it anymore and he's one voice, but he at least is a voice that's been on the inside of that process. And he's a really nice guy. All right, so you know how to find me. And we are very welcoming of having transfer students come meet with us before coming to U-Dub. U-Dub does do transfer Thursdays every week. And that includes like an admissions workshop and then different information sessions. And we always have one on Thursdays at 3.30 that is happens every week. You don't have to sign up for it. You just show up in our office. But if that timeframe doesn't work for you, give us a call and we'll set you up for an appointment for a different time. We're happy to do that. We're your advisors before you even get there. All right, thank you guys. I'll put my last little purple one down here.