 Okay, you should have a little splash green. You can say I got it. Beautiful. Okay. Well, welcome everybody to the 25th of January. Where did the 1st month go already of 2024 supply chain and trade finance, a special interest group for hyper ledger here. Glad you're all here either listening after the fact to the recording, or if you, when you're here live, as always, all are welcome. And we're glad that lots of different folks are here from different places, different ideas, different thoughts. And that would be important this year. This, this session, because we're going to be doing some planning for 2024. So there's that. And also anti trust policy notice. Please don't say anything that's confidential that you don't want shared public because this is an open session, et cetera, et cetera there. So those 2 items. And then before we really get started, I also want to thank folks on that are here in person as well as the folks that are listening to this after the fact. For all of your efforts back in 2023, I think we had a really good year was a fun year working with good people, which is always a lot of fun makes it makes a lot easier. I mean, getting that ebook out. It took us a little bit longer than we thought it was going to take, but you know, that's that's always the case. I guess that's part of open source. You know, you kind of go through it. You work through it. Get some good ideas. Keep on going. You know, that that that was, that was a good culmination of all the work from from last year. So, thanks very much with that. I'll also say a couple of things. 1. Andrea, thank you to Andrea. I mean, he's, he's resigned as a active co-chair, but he's still participating and going to be part of our group here. You'll still see the weekly digest coming out from him on Sundays. I don't know if you really scheduled this. I never asked him, but I picture him on Sunday afternoon, sitting there in Pisa, you know, sending out this little LinkedIn thing. Hopefully he schedules it. But anyways, so Andreas still is going to be working together with us and Jeff, another good thing as part of 2023 is that you joined us as one of the co-chairs. So that was good. So, so, so that's 2023, 2024 here. Let me scroll down a little bit here. We're, Alicia, Jeff and I talked and we said, should we just keep this kind of same schedule of meetings? And right now that's the plan is we're going to keep the same schedule of meetings every other Thursday. The time will just it if we have a speaker who needs to have a different time than normal. But in general, we'll be at the same time every other Thursday here. Upcoming events here. In two weeks, Jeff is going to talk. Jeff has more of a technical background in either Alicia or myself, or maybe we had it at one point in time Alicia and we've lost it, but Jeff has kept it. Maybe that's more it. So, so Jeff is going, Jeff has some ideas to share around blockchain more from a technical nature in applying blockchain within a supply chain. I think you even have a demo kind of thing, right? Jeff, that you kind of created. You're on mute, Jeff. That's certainly you're awkward. Well, I'm not with the music. It's a demo and it's a really demonstration of two things. It's a desktop blockchain written in Python. I wrote in Python. So it looks like a blockchain running, but anyway, they'll be in their supply chain records. You'll see how they're brought up, how they're ordered, how they're stored. This is off of that step wise. I just mentioned this. I collected that from fabric, how fabric handles things, Ethereum. So I'll go into that. Hopefully I'll be right out by the eighth. I think so. You'll be as ready as we need. Yeah. And then on the 22nd, the income from Everledger. Everledger is still alive and kicking. They've obviously gone through a few changes. You may have seen that. And Dan's going to share with us some thoughts around using Everledger and G7 and the choreography of working through a lot of the sanctions type of work there. So we're glad that she'll be joining and it also bring in the trade financing goal, which I know is near and dear to your, your heart there. So you have something to rely on to actually create the free finance documents. In the next 2 sessions, if you want to go back, or I guess now it's, it's actually released today here, Alicia and Jeff and David Boswell were on a podcast and talked a little bit about supply chain and trade finance and watching. And you can listen to their deep, insightful comments and ideas on this podcast by clicking on that. Is it up now, Alicia? Yes, it actually went out yesterday. I'm editing that. Thank you for catching that. Okay. No, no, we're just, I just added that in this morning. Okay. The wiki page. Okay. I sent the link. A few people yesterday. By the way, I should also thank Alicia. I mean, Alicia has really been spending some time on this wiki page here to organize what sessions we have. I know it helps me because I, and you asked to know, where's the invite for this kind of thing? I know I can go to this page and I know where the, I know where the sessions are. And then I can get the link that actually is going to work to get me into this session because before that, before you did that. I always looking for it. No. So I'm glad that you do that, Alicia. But it's helpful hearing that it's helpful. It makes me think, okay, yes, it's worth putting in the work. There you go. There you go. And you know the weekly news digest is there and upcoming events are there also so you know, good, all good stuff. So discord, she puts stuff out of the discord channel. That's right. That's right. Jeff, Jeff and I talked about maybe we want to try to use discord a little bit more. So Alicia got me on the discord again. I was having all sorts of problems getting there even discord, even discord help desk couldn't help me, but Alicia did. So, yeah, so let's see if we can use discord and you know maybe expand the folks that are interested or at least being able to enable them to get involved. As you said before we start recording here. So, with that, let's get into the meat of today's discussion here. So we just did the intro. Alicia is going to spend a little bit of time here on ways to get involved which is, which is is a part because we want to broaden beyond even the folks that are on here and folks that are listening. There's other out there that folks that have great ideas and they can share and get involved, etc, etc. The other part to say charter, you know, it's probably worthwhile for us now that we've been looking at we haven't looked at in a while. Why do we do and what do we do there. So Alicia, I'll turn it over to you and let you talk a little bit about your thoughts there. I'm going to share your screen directly right here. Stop sharing. I'm going to share desktop. Great. I'm going to start by going over the how to contribute page. Those of you who are here a little bit early you heard me say how I've had some challenges with confluence I created a page and there was a lot in it made a lot of edits, but it was still in draft form and confluence was updated sometimes over the holidays and everything was lost. Luckily, I was able to go in and take JPEG screenshots found a way to take JPEG screenshots of what I had done so I've this morning I started recreating it based on the JPEGs. So right now, but how to contribute page talking about how people can sign in and start up making it easier. I know a lot of people don't know how to do the LF ID, how to create their Linux foundation ID. We have links to both the written directions and YouTube video instructions. Some people like video I prefer written how people can add their name to the member page subscribing to the mailing list come join our meetings. I'm asking people to introduce themselves. Then how people can contribute as a non technical member I haven't written. I haven't added that in yet so let me use my lovely JPEGs. Talk about how people can share their subject matter expertise, organize organize a speaker. People identify speakers all the time sometimes we go out and do the job of inviting them. Me, Tom, Jeff, Ned, I know you've certainly got involved in that. And we want to ask more people to get involved, bring in speakers who they're interested in hearing from doing research on what type of work would matter, starting a project, talking about your own project or a hyper ledger and project in general on your blog on your social media. As Tom mentioned before we have our weekly news digest, which Andreas put so much work into and now every week something goes out. It's very easy to go in here. Just find the one for this week. Hit edit and then add in an article that you think is relevant for supply chain and or trade finance. I find it useful or I think it's useful to put the source of the article at the beginning so that people have an idea of what type of journal they're going to. What do you do? Is it, you know, McKinsey, you know, that's research? Is it a news site? Which news site? So it's very easy to add articles here that you think would be relevant and of interest to the group because the more of us who post here, it's going to enable everybody to get a different perspective because we all have very different perspectives on this world. So that's an easy way to do something useful for the SIG. Let's go back to let's go back to the JPEG. Yeah, so contributing to the weekly news digest. Then if you're a non technical member. Yeah, that was if you're a non technical member. Right now we don't have a lot of technical members or at least not to my knowledge. We've had a few people come in and join periodically and it's even here right now today. I think most of you are more technical than than I am a little bit but not not that much, but there are a lot of ways for technical members to contribute. Finally, oh, I did that. That was some changes. I think I misplaced my that specific JPEG how to contribute going through the tutorials. Reading tutorials about how to create an app looking, you know what to do if you're an experienced developer. There is a need right now we don't have a supply chain and trade trade finance code repository on our wiki or on discord so that's something that could be really helpful posting relevant code to the repository. It would be great if someone could create a GitHub for us. I have used GitHub in the past but I haven't used it a lot and since I'm not a developer. I think it makes sense to have someone who has a lot more experience on it to be involved with that. I saw my Python source code out there. Oh, great. Jeff, that would be fabulous. Let, if you want to let's talk later because it'd be great to have it like associated with the Hyperledger Foundation site and then have it marked for the SIG. Does that make sense? Yeah, because right now it's just associated with me now. Yeah, I can do that. Perfect. Great. Thank you. That that would be good because that's going to help. Well, you gotta let people know. Yeah, that's a huge contribution. You know, it's actually public now, but it's under an ID that I have so I'll do that. I'll make it more obvious. Is it Hyperledger code? No, no, no, it's I use GitHub for all that Python code that I put out there so I can, some used to using GitHub so I'll set up a GitHub for Hyperledger. Perfect. That doesn't mean I'm going to put that code up there. I'm just going to set it up again. Okay, cool. Thank you. Yeah. My code is public. Somebody asked me about it once and saw it and asked about some modules ahead in there on graphics. Okay. So people can see it. Good. Good. That's that's good to hear. Thank you for volunteering for that. People can improve documentation. Think about proposals because we do have a page on the on the SIG Wiki already planning suggestions. I think Jeff is actually going to go over that a little bit more today. And then at the bottom there is the code of conduct for new people. It would be great if you could just review the Hyperledger code of conduct. We are this is an open source community. Everyone is welcome and we want everyone to feel welcome as well. So please do take a look at that. And if you have ideas on how to contribute on how people can contribute, please do feel free to add that to the page right there. Like I said, I'll be working more on this today, but if you have more ideas, it's a community page, not just me. So that's, that's that and then the SIG Charter. Before you go to the Charter real fast. I'm Jeff DeRion. I view you as one of the poster childs for poster children for, you know, how to contribute, you came in, you didn't know any of us. You didn't know what the story was you kind of showed up. Let's see what this is. And, hey, you contributed you helped us out with the ebook that was great it was relevant it was valuable. Cool. So, I'm glad you're here. We're glad you're here today. And, you know, I think whoever's hopefully, whoever's hopefully some people are going to read this and say, you know, I'd like to get involved. Tom, thank you for bringing it up. And then you, you not only have help, you know, inviting and speakers, but you also contributed by writing, writing profiles for the ebook we put out last year. No, it's great. Yeah. Excellent. It's great to see the community girl like that. So then the SIG charter. So right now if we go to the SIG homepage, what is up here as our introduction and scope for the most part was the scope from the trade finance SIG which was created in 2019 with a couple of modifications. When the two SIGs the supply chain SIG and the trade finance SIG were joined in I want to say 2022. The scope was not reworked and it's taken a little while for us to find our foot, our footing. I think it makes sense now for us to really think about what we're doing as a SIG what we want to accomplish. You know, we, we do organize a lot of events. We want to find ways to put more information out there. And by revisiting the scope. We can really think about our identity as a SIG where we want to take that. I know Jeff has mentioned he's interested in being involved in reworking this. Hi, Ned. Are either of you interested in thinking about the scope with us and revising that? Yeah, definitely. Great. Thank you. Back the ways and it looked really almost like we're a McKinsey research group. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like I said, this was just taking from the prior from prior SIG. Not wrong with that. I just saw it and said, wow, okay. And if you're ever interested in knowing how something used to look before the edits, if you come up here to the upper right hand corner, you're going to see page history. I don't know. I do this regularly. I don't know how often any of you do that. And just scroll down and see when the changes were made, who've changed them, Tom, Andrea. And then you can also go in and see, I'll go look at something I did. You can see what changed was made on, where is it? Usually I get a slightly different response when I click there. Oh, so you can see, you can compare the different versions to see how they've changed. I find it useful just look at the evolution of things. I know not everyone does, but if you're interested, it's fairly easy to do that. And if you're interested and you didn't catch that, just drop me a note and I'm happy to hop on a video call and help you with that. So I'll put something out over the mailing list for the next couple of days, asking who wants to be involved in revisiting the scope, now that we have a better idea of who we are as a SIG. So please do let us know. I'll put something out over Discord as well. Any questions about our scope? Beautiful. Thank you, David. I see you just joined. Thank you. And Barry welcome. Okay. Tom, I think that's, I think that's me for the day. I'm going to stop sharing. Okay. Good. And also, Barry and David welcome here. So let's now we're going to continue our way of working there. We're going to time box these things to one hour so that we're done by the top of the hour here. The thing. So now let's flip over and this is the meat of this is Jeff is going to lead. He's put together some thoughts. They'll share some some ideas of what we could do this year. This is totally open. I mean, we got all sorts of ways we could go. The idea, the thought of these discussions we've had is, let's try whatever we're going to do, let's do something that's achievable, you know, in realistic, right? We're all volunteers, we're all doing this for reasons in addition to money. So we want to do something that achievable realistic and valuable to others within the community of supply chain and trade finance and hyper ledger project specifically. So with Jeff, I'll turn it over to you and let you lead the charge here on the discussion. I'm going to do this. I have some project topics or supply chain topics that put out on the wiki. Oh, that's, do you want to share the screen. And you want me to share or you can or you can show it. Because I'll share my I'll share my screen. What I need to do is. Oh, this real quick. This is what you want. Yeah. So if you scroll down. So everybody on the phone so what I did is, you'll see, I think there's 11 different ideas around there about projects and so I actually did a for myself I had a PowerPoint template that I use that actually sent out the time and elation it's going to be more context around the things that I wrote there. I'm not going to show that PowerPoint I sent it to them yesterday does just say where my thoughts are. So, you know, there's a dozen. There's a dozen but might be one of also there but there's about 11 different project ideas for 24 Now, if you look at these things there's 11 of them, counting, counting that. SIG blog, I think Alicia maybe put that out there. So everybody, obviously, this isn't a corporation where we're going to do all these. The idea around these was to show what topics, what I've investigated again, this is just a template I'm expecting people just throw stuff in there but topics that I've seen in a that weekly news digest or meet up things that I've attended that seem to that appear to be very important and so these are all topics that are important to supply chains and out of all these 11 items on there can we at some point, glean out a project or two out of those. And so that's what you're that's what you're looking at here although again these are mostly around efforts and you want me to go through each one. I think you probably need to do that just give a pile of overview and then we kind of use as a springboard for discussion from folks to be able to share their thoughts on. Yeah, because I stuck this out there I did a for my, so I can remember all the stuff I have a PowerPoint and I have more context from the PowerPoint so I'm going to flip my screen over and hope these matches I'm looking at this. The screen and I'm flipping over to my PowerPoint where I have more context and on it so. So I can read through these and just, again, clean off these are topics that are that are of interest today and supply chains and like collecting this information can we clean out of all this information a project or two for 2024. So, one of the first ones that I have up there is about AI in blockchains and I'm on the long screen. The views of AI and blockchain so that's a big item right now and so what ideas around this is this is more of documenting similar to the ebook what's occurring up today in in AI what strategies are being produced out there today for future use of AI I don't don't envision us going out and having to do a deep dive investigation of the companies that are really using AI because I don't really think there are any that are lying on the sense that it's out there doing its own. Just an example I know somebody that's got a small marketing firm and they're using AI for their marketing techniques in some fashion and I asked her are you serious are you really using that she said no everything that it does with double check. I don't really know what that means when doing double work but that's really an idea around project I've written I guess it'd be some either something similar to ebook. And also, I think I had melted in there somewhat. How does fabric enable AI. It's architecture model specific this white chain. If there's any questions on one day at all. The screen back. The other the next item on there is something else that's somewhat in use today. Again, I've seen some information on this is about NFTs in the supply chain how are NFTs being used today. The efficiency of supply chain and really this is the NFTs can eliminate a lot of the issues with the supply chain is merely around traceability and see who has your materials and so NFTs help. In fraud detection and for fraud detection, which is another kind of topic further down so that's another idea around NFTs and we can. You know, I keep reporting back to the six charter. Do we want to, and the topic such as AI or NFT do we want to put out what's occurring out in the industry today and what the future looks like. The companies are doing with the software purveyors are pushing around AI and their products or do we want to go out and put something together that shows how fabric. And it's engaging with NFTs help supply chains. And then there's a lot there, but I'm just trying to bring up topics around, around these things. And again, I'm looking at another screen so if it doesn't. Yeah. I think if we keep you honest man. Yeah, if we're if we want to talk about how blockchain and other technology. Interactions are being used around product fraud and tampering. It makes sense to discuss how blockchain and IOT devices are being used or DNA testing of product to confirm it did come from XYZ or DNA. Not labeling, but DNA coatings or applications are being used on product with blockchain information embedded so that it can be confirmed that that individual product, whether it be a medication or high end food product or something like that is indeed the product that you're looking at the. The online profile of, I think there's a lot of interesting stuff going and going on there and a lot of people don't realize how much it is blockchain and these other technologies. Exactly. There is there and I forgot I should have wrote this down. There is a high end purse company who now has a little code on items that they receive. I wish I remember who it was maybe ever ledgers involved in this. But what it is, it's the public key of key photography and so you can't hack those and so they read that public key and it goes out to the blockchain. You can tell them that this came from the manufacturer. That's the only way that you can't hack into those and using cryptography to show that this was from never supposed to make it business, not a retread. The other public space. And I keep thinking it's something to do with, you know, it's like, I hate to do this because Alicia's success. What's the expense of purses of Calvin Klein or is it Calvin Klein's not that price anymore. Frata Louis Vuitton Chanel Chanel Chanel Chanel Chanel. Where some people had given those as gifts and the woman was staggered that she gave those to her and they said, don't worry about their cheap their face. I don't spend, yeah, I'm sure I don't spend as much time looking at the fashion market there. There has been a lot of blockchain used for traceability and fashion, especially in Asia. But when it comes to blockchain and in food and beverage ever ledger so we've got Leanne Kemp coming next month. I think back in 2017 18 world of something called the Chi wine vault, and they were used, they were not only using blockchain to trace wine in general but they were working with sensors that were applied to the bottle that could be used to verify whether the bottle itself had been tampered with. In 2017 that was a really big deal that was, that was new. I still periodically seeing news about other companies doing that. And Chi wine vault was the first company I saw doing that type of work. So, really excited about having Leanne come in. Yeah, in general, or right I'd like us to go this year is kind of beyond traceability. It's almost like traceability is the basic thing that blockchain can enable right where you have, you have data that you believe that you know is valid because now you trust that it's on the blockchain. It was put there effectively via the whatever whatever the whatever the mechanism was to get it on there, right. And now that you have that data, what can you do with that isn't a problem on statement is now I can create all sorts of letters of credit and all the trade finance documents solidly off of that stuff, because I have all this information, you know, this is somewhere I keep on coming back to the old Walmart can story right there's no sensor data that was already in place that okay I'm going to be willing to pay an invoice right from a shipper, because now I can believe all this data, and the shipper didn't believe it to there. It's like a block chain or it becomes a lot of this if you want data that you know can't be changed and you're training your model. Yeah. I think we still need to go back to making sure like how are we confirming that the data being input is correct. I can tell you, or someone created a profile about me on a Wikipedia like but but Ethereum based encyclopedia, and they misread something on my LinkedIn profile. So the data that that or I'm going to assume they misread it I'm going to assume they were not misread it. And it was entered on the Ethereum blockchain incorrectly. So now there is information out there about me that is incorrect and information about you. Yeah, it's nothing malicious. It's nothing malicious it's just saying I have a degree that I don't have. And I am on the Ethereum blockchain it can't be changed. Bobby I see Bobby raising her hand. I'm a politician so you're right. There's a new lab at hyper ledger called AI FAQ, which what we're working on is two parts. One part is to get an open source AI FAQ model out there for people to use. And the second is to get all of hyper ledgers information in there correctly. Correctly, we're starting with a grid if you go to the lab section, and then hit overview. There's a AI FAQ and under it is a grid where we're trying to collect whether it's and transfer to PDFs to feed into the system. And we have it so that we're doing checks and balances so someone person would get the information into the PDF and the other person would have to read it and improve it before it would go into the system, so that everything in there has been vetted for accurate information because right now, what Alicia said if you don't do it that way, you're getting crap. Right. So Bob this is an open source AI effort. Yes. Yeah, here I'm putting the, sorry, I'm putting a link to it in the general chat right now. Thank you, Bobby for saying where it could be found. And we meet every day. We meet every Monday if you want to join us 9am Monday morning. Great. Thank you. 9am. It's on the public calendar. Okay, 9am. Eastern time or Western time Eastern Eastern standard time. Okay. Awesome. And then also, just to follow back, I could have some input into the NFTs and the supply chain. Since that model, the giving chain is still in play with actually Andre's group walk fund and elite web. So we're working on getting the, actually, I'm working on raising money, but we're working on getting the infrastructure in place to start doing some of the supply chain charity events again. Right. So, and that's done with NFTs you take a picture you register an event you take a picture of your donation. Somebody picks it up collects the NFT that that picture creates, as well as the donation to kind of track the digital twin through the system that is going through the supply chain by transferring just the NFT when you collect or physically collect. So it's kind of like a digital twin thing. But I have two questions for you about the given chain related to that. One, would you love to, would you be interested in doing a webinar for the sake because I think NFT since supply chain, including the, this instance you're talking about giving would be of interest to the SIG. And it would be better closer to April because I'm going to present this at the NFT NYC conference. Oh, great. Excellent. So second question. late March. I'm still in Florida. I don't get back to Jersey until April 1. It's too cold. Oh, yeah, so I'm about to go back to Montreal because I like that called. Second question was, I remember a couple of years ago, there were some blockchain and philanthropy projects that were allowing philanthropists to track their donations and all the way to how were the, how were the recipients using that money. Yep, that's exactly the basis for this block fi elite web solution where it's almost like programmable donations. So if I'm a huge philanthropist and I have a certain pizza pie to donate to people and I can slice it up anyway I want with smart contracts so if like this group is showing that they're using the donation properly then the next next gets released you know the next gets released so they have to kind of like keep track of it earn and keep track of it that way so it's yeah it's fascinating stuff I'd love to you know get my stuff together and present it. As a former government finance person who used to regularly argue with assistant and deputy commissioners and even the commissioner on on how they wanted to spend the money versus what the laws around each pool of money were. Having it automated like that would have saved me a lot of not really what the time so much about the adjuda that angst and that having to argue, because I would have to go into them and show them a lot or show them the grant statements about the only ways that could be used when they were saying, no we need to do this, this something like that would have been oh so helpful. Donations that the charitable donations that would be something that charity navigator they would really be interested in learning about that. We're actually going to be you know introducing this right now we're working on the piece for the supply chain which is one of the reasons why I joined the group. So we're we're we're pretty good with the programmable donations and you know creating a token for for each donation pool and then you know incentivizing people you know it's going to be that way but the hard part always has been like once. So the idea of the giving chain was if there is a catastrophic event it's almost like a 911 system decentralized not based on any government so for instance if I'm sitting here in Florida. There was a tornado down the street last week so say that was a horrific tornado event. The mayor of Fort Lauderdale has a certain amount of, you know, interest in getting this event registered in the giving chain so he would register the event. And then anyone so for instance everybody's got to get shelter in the gym at the high school so we need blankets and cots to go to the high school. So he would register the event and alert everyone in town about you know the giving chain and they would either try to be a part of it in one way or another hopefully. So if I have blankets I put them outside my door I go to the giving chain.org, I see the registered event, I go in, I register as a donor, I put the stuff outside my door I take a picture of it and then I'm done. That picture becomes an NFT and alerts now this is the hard part alerts people in the system to transport the goods. That's a that's a big ask and a big give when you like really look at what that means like who's in the car is the stuff needs to be refrigerate like is it fit like whatever it is it really has a lot of complexity to the supply chain piece of this. And then again the so, for instance, if it's just like the high school kids in their cars, they go to, they've been alerted because the NFT was created that there's a donation, they go to that GPS location, they pick up the blanket they take possession of the NFT. Take a picture of it it becomes part of the metadata, they go on their way when they create the metadata for that NFT that alerts the recipient that a donation is on the way. When the donation gets there the same process happens that the recipient takes that digital picture, and that becomes the last piece of the, the tail of the tape of the of your donation and you can go look at it on the dashboard. So you can see where your physical donation, but again, without having supply chains set up that transport piece is a big ask so that's where we're kind of at with the giving chain. So we're working through some some stuff. Okay, good. I'll save them. Let's do a quick time check we got 17 minutes before the top of the hour. I don't think we're going to get through all these realistically here. Give us this idea of these so is the idea of the idea is to bring these conversations up like with Bobby with the NFTs and so forth so I can keep going through them if you'd like. Yeah, let's do that. Let me add one other thing here because what Jeff and Alicia talked about a little bit is we knew we weren't going to get through all these great depth and you know I on I'm sure you have ideas and then you have ideas. You know, Barry you have ideas David you have ideas Toby you have ideas out there to that we want to get in so this this form here, kind of like, if you're part of the ebook last year you can comment on this form. And we can use this as a vehicle in between these calls to kind of keep the ball rolling here. So, look for a common spring go back to this page here. And this would be a mechanism for us to hopefully at least start you boiling down into which ideas make sense. And the other part Alicia said something here is, you know, even if something's not a project, but it could be a very good webinar. Right. So, you like if you like the idea, and you know somebody who does something in that area, or you know we want to figure out a way to bring that out and we got to go find somebody. And you want to lead the charge of try to find somebody that'd be a beautiful thing also, because we're not going to do all these will probably only do one or two and we might even do not do any of these and some other brilliant idea comes up. Let me leave it at that. Jeff, you want to just tick through these a little bit and let's open it up. Can I actually make one little one quick introduction. For those of you who are interested in making a comment on the page. The way to do that. You see where on the upper right hand corner of the page itself it says log in. You do need to log in with your Linux foundation ID. You need to log in at the bottom of the page there will be a comment field. So then we'll be able to have a comment, have a conversation on this page itself. Let me let me do this. I don't think you're going to see my Google ID. There you go. Yeah. And there you go. Exactly. This is the first comment. I'm also going to edit that grid and those columns. Jeff, I think I might go in later and the older ideas at the very top that are no longer in discussion I might add them to the bottom so that you're more recent additions will be the first ones that are seen when people come to the page. People might not know that it's scrolled out. And I'm going to go save there. Okay. So, so you got the list here. I'd rather stay away. The next one on the list here is this competitive analysis between fabric. I think that's other another group. Yeah, the technology committee. Let's really stay focused on where we're adding value and supply chain trade finance. You see some of these things kind of have some similarity again the ideas I think the skip that could. The next one, the next one. Right here. So we covered that one. Hold on. No, we were talking and maybe we did get down and I just, we got past the NFT we skipped a bit of analysis. The next one after that was going to be risk reduction and supply chains. And then we had some information investigating how and now this ties into like AI. AI. Again, this is a topic that may fold into another one of the items I have up there about how AI can reduce risks and it's look at today with what's going on in the, in the Gulf. It's really going on the Panama Canal with the drought. And the supply chains financially in a sense of what is through the data that AI can come in which also is part of IoT. Which way should I send my own paper. Maybe it's maybe the piece of thought up so much in the Panama Canal or the risk is so high in the Gulf that I'm going to send it on the phone. So that's that's actually going on today. So how specifically can I assist in this reduction? Take that put up in the other topic I had up there. Maybe that forms something bigger on AI and in supply chain. The clock here so. Next one. Yeah, the next one is the unit we touched on this on ebook, but this would be a deeper dive in exactly how we can level how fabric. Performs. How it performs to prevent fraud tampering so on and so forth. So we just kind of typed in there with every larger example. That one there is. Yeah, I was looking at some of these things around. I was actually looking at myself as some respect, just take this almost office around you know we took a lot of technical architecture and hyper ledgers. I couldn't find it and I'm trying to find out who the contact is somebody have a document that shows a fabric. Architecture, the technical model, how that enables the efficiencies and on supply chains. So far so we contact. I do tend to take over your community of hyper like projects with those are coding ideas so forth. So that's almost something that I have listed down here but also having my nose is to figure out how we can get more of this information. In other words, the technical aspect of supply chain with fabric versus the non technical aspect, if that makes sense. Yeah, so that could include NFTs and I've mentioned NFTs and people and they say I heard of this I don't know what it is. It isn't a picture I get. Well, it's a little more complex there's, there's key cryptographic key somebody said I need a wallet, not if I get an NFT. I don't think so well to the block interact with it you have to have a wallet. The Bobby probably has more than information either they store the NFTs off chain because it's expensive. How does that work underneath all that stuff so doesn't have to be a deep dive down into the software. Again, it's one of these items around bridging for people, the technical aspects of fabric with those aspects of supply chain. What that makes sense. And I think the document that for this one, I mean, Andrea just published something I on you may have helped him with that. I can't remember. But basically, here's how trade finance actually works. He put it out there on LinkedIn and he put something on in our wiki in the messages. So, I'm assuming he's going to go next to he, here's the diagram of how it could work in blockchain you smile and I on just in India if you have the five minutes I would like to say some of my own comments regarding the my own idea for the one for 20 or 24. Yes, I would like to add my own best effort to support the community to support seek. In any way, it's not a problem, but the I do believe in the geographic diversification of the group members and the anti we need to pay the much more attention on this, I think that is the one of the point which I would like to emphasize on anti I believe that six is our sick is so much important and which sick is need to be promoted at the level of the Linux foundations at the highest level and the I believe that which will bring the so many new comers and the those new comers will bring the new ideas and the new ideas to be able to easily implemented and the when I think of the trade finance linked with the blockchain has not died, but when I look at the real real life examples. So many projects have failed and the when I when I see when I see the those results. I would like to make some kind of the connection with other six directly linked with the digital assess or the real assess real real world assess tokenization. I mean that we need the kind of the constant specific bridge between trade finance and the real real world assess tokenization and the I would like to learn what the other six dealing with these topics or not and the we would like to consider to invite them to make their own presentation. And the that's why it's quite important and the when I look at the global report which has been issued by Deutsche Bank one or two weeks ago, which is the 60 pages, only the one or two pages about the blockchains role that that is that is the not good, but that is the reality we need to be accepted. That that that's that's why we need to pay much more attention about the big brothers like the IBM like the Microsoft Microsoft. As far as I have understood that they are trying to make a kind of the interoperability bridges. That's that's that's the crucial point when we started to think of the trade finance and the, it might be the option IBM and the Microsoft already started to make their own search, their own planning about the interoperability solution. I'm not very much sure whether it's the band any blockchain solution or not, but the interoperability we have IBM or Microsoft will be will be the kind of game changer when I think of the trade finance environment global environment ecosystem and team. And of course, paperless environment is quite important and the but the life is not so much faster than we expect. When we think of the highest level of the implementation of the electronic bill of leading solutions, we need, we need much more time, especially when we think of the main constraint, which is the reliable system. There is no anymore rule, officially announced that which what about about the terms of the conditions of the reliable system, which will be the running on the blockchain, which will be running on the enterprise solution or the public solution, or the permissionless system, whatever it is. We have, we do not have any kind of the solution in our hand when we consider the any kind of the blocks and solutions regarding the e bill of leading and that's why if I need to summarize our sick is so much available. And we need to promote it at the highest level of the Linux foundation. And we need to kind of make a bridge between the real world assessed. Six, if any, at the links hyper ledger groups and the we need to, we need to understand the interoperability solution of the big brothers like IBM and Microsoft when I think of the trade finance, it will be the crucial in global basis. And though those are will be the all sub projects. And I'm much more appreciated to see the Jeff's project which he kindly summarized it and I will review it very deeply, I promise it. And the, it's quite good and the, I'm not promising the entire the my proposals in such a good way, but the, I will try to invite some of my friends about present their blockchain solutions regarding trade finance or, or e bill of leading solution in the coming days. I will be the, I will try to be a good follower and a good supporter of the sick for the coming days. Thank you. And hopefully, hopefully meet with you soon again. Thanks for jumping in. That do well, leading is a big topic that you get on that's you get info or people that can talk more about that that's huge. Yes, absolutely. You are right, but the, I'm not the technical guy, but the, I have the much more ambition to learn the what you are talking about with the, and that's why I'm still at the learning phases. When I look at the real world, it is not much more good for the trade finance, all platforms failed. And that's, that's the reason I have the big question mark in my mind personally, link between the blockchain and the trade finance. That's why we need to make a kind of the separate link. Forget the trade finance terminology. Let's talk about the real world assess tokenization. That would be the another good option. Well, because whenever, whenever you think to the trade finance, it's a matter of the movement of the money of the movement of the goods. When you talk, when you talk of the goods, that's the real world assets. We do not need to say at a traditional terminology, trade finance, it's a traditional terminology, and we need to forget all of those things for the coming years. And that's why we need to make a new world. As I am the old trade finance guy, it's time to build a new world. I attended it. I attended an expert AI thing. The experts on AI, and there were three fellows from IBM on this thing. And this was about a month ago. And those came to like, I don't think it was made up group was interesting. And it was to get the media, the experts, the real experts and I are these guys in their 60s, pushing 70, these IBM fellows, these are the guys out there they're doing a strategy around today that are helping companies understand what to do with AI it's not the Tony old thing that describes with the school is not a basement. It's these very experienced Polish people I was surprised when I attended it the moderator problems 30s but these, these guys were I was like, that actually made sense that they were there they're people who have not developed both IBMs, they are saying it's not about some other AI offering as these guys will are protected and help develop it is in their 60s. So, there's a one thing I want to mention also was some of these. I attend the financial sick will attend the just this my listening in the carbon account said twice the last two presentations they had about supply chain. But it was in their city. And the last one was so they were talking about supply chain and trying to figure out how to do benefits around it like given the link to the people whose companies in Barcelona. That's holding a party with us now. And they pull the ebook down during the conversation we'll talk about it. There's a ton of synergies out there. It was recorded. So let's let's let's break this is a good discussion here. And debating in my mind, I'll throw it out there. I mean, do we use the next session for we we use this this page here to have back and forth comments over the next two weeks or so. And maybe we use a part of the next session or all the next session to find, we try to finalize things. But Jeff, you know, that'd be pushing back yours to March. So, I'm going to throw that out there as an option. We don't have to decide it right now. Here, let's see how what kind of progress we can make. You know, commenting, I asked each of you to comment because very I'm sure you have great ideas. David, you have great ideas. Christoph. So you have good ideas, Toby, Nat, etc. Right. Get your right. Take a look at what Jeff has put out here. Put your thoughts, whatever else. If there's somebody else who you think and I am your point about, you know, letting other people know, getting them to add their thoughts to these. And it'll kind of come together hopefully, or we might have to wrestle it a little bit because we got too many good ideas. You know, that's a good problem to have if that's the case. And we'll have to just prioritize and pick one out there. So let's think about what deliverables might look like for each of these ideas as well. Yeah, I mean a webinar doesn't mean a blog post doesn't mean another ebook. What, what do we want to want to do related to these topics. Yeah, it was. I was thinking about this yesterday evening, you know, when we. Many of us came from the corporate world and you know how fast Jeff you alluded to this best of things get done right, you know project you got somebody busting you needs to be done by into February or whatever. Well, in this kind of world, I was kind of thinking, you know, it takes two to five times longer. So think about your corporate enterprise experience and how long things take to get done. Not to remember that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, you know, I don't, there's a lot I don't miss about my corporate experience. Yes. But there's a lot of. So, so anyways, with my, my, my thought here is, let's use this, this, this mechanism here the wiki we can put comments that kind of work pretty well for the ebook to kind of keep us rolling. And please put it, please put at least one comment in over the next week or two here. And then we'll see if it takes on a life of its own, then maybe we can do all there. We have a little bit in the next time is, you know, kind of just settling on something. If we need more discussion, then we use the next time for discussion. There. So, again, Jeff, I don't want to put you off, but I also want to, you know, make sure that we know that's okay. Give me a little bit more time to do that presentation because I'm trying to also use it to draw in some technical folks and see the invite. Yeah. Okay, so let's stop at this point in time. They're, they're a lot more thoughts. Hopefully they're rolling. Okay, so let's stop at this point in time there. There are a lot more thoughts. Hopefully they're rolling around in your mind. Get something out there. I generate the first comment. I'll be at not a lot, not very deep there. Please put your additional comments in there thoughts. Let's see where this goes. And, you know, we'll all be talking in a couple of weeks and we can continue the conversation and hopefully start narrowing things down if we can't do that via via the comments back and forth. So I appreciate everyone joining today, adding your thoughts. And you got a chance to see some of our thoughts to kind of kickstart this puppy. Alicia, thanks for talking charter and how you can get involved. You're all here and glad you want to be involved and look forward to the rest of 2024 supply chain and trade financing and how we're going to help this community out there and ourselves and have a little bit of fun along the way too. So with that, I'm going to stop it recording will be up on YouTube. Thanks again. Enjoy the rest of your day. Thanks everybody. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Bye bye. Bye bye. Thank you. Okay, bye everybody.