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I am ready, Tom Merritt. Thank you. Let's do it. Here we go. The Daily Tech News Show is brought to you by listeners like us. Go to DailyTechNewsShow.com slash donate to learn how. Donuts. No, Homer. That's donate. But I'm sure Tom wouldn't mind donuts either. This is The Daily Tech News for Tuesday, May 24th, 2016. Tom Merritt, Ayaz Akhtar was supposed to be on the show, but he's sick. But thankfully, that gave us the opportunity to get Jen Cutter back faster than we would have otherwise. Jen, of course, is an Esports reporter, editor for zam.com. You can find her on Twitter at Jen Cutter. And of course, right here right now. How's it going, Jen? It's going very well. How about you, Tom? I'm excited. I didn't realize until we were talking to you this morning that eLeague is launching its season. We've mentioned that they were going to be bringing this to TBS before, but it's underway as of now, which is what we're going to be talking about in our main discussion. Have you been watching much of it? I've been watching it in the background. I'm also getting ready for Combo Breaker, a fighting game street fighter event coming up this weekend. So I've been trying to get myself together before I get on a plane to head out. I'm sorry I took you away from your stick preparation. This is pretty fun. I will, you know, mod my stick on the plane. It's fun. Okay, good. I'm glad. Thank you. I appreciate you giving us your stick mod time. We very much appreciate it. Let's get started with the headlines. Twitter is giving developers the heads up in a few changes coming in the next few months. So instead of things, I mean, some of these were leaked, but not all of them, and we're getting them ahead of time so developers can prepare to work with them. Here are the changes. Attachments, things that you upload to Twitter, pictures, video, et cetera, will no longer count against your 140 character limit. Now, if you link to Instagram, that will still count. They're actually not taking away, as was rumored, the character count for links. Links will still count 22 characters every time. The at names in a reply will no longer count against your character limit. So if you're replying to 15 people, you'll still have 140 characters to compose your reply. You won't have to sacrifice some of those people like you do sometimes. Non-reply tweets that begin with an at symbol will now show to your whole audience. So you don't have to do the dot before the at symbol anymore. And you'll be able to retweet and quote tweet your own posts. That's the only one that's got me worried there. Jim, what do you think of these? Well, I'm hoping that they're going to announce more things to come, because while this sounds like a great idea in a perfect world, this also makes it a lot easier to harass people on Twitter, especially because you can tag up to 50 people, and there's no way presently to remove yourself from those kind of conversations so it can really flood your feed. Yeah, it doesn't solve that problem, which is an ongoing problem on Twitter, 100%, and it even makes it possibly a little easier. So hopefully Twitter will give us more ways of combating that sort of harassment. At the same time, I'm not sad to lose the dot before the at reply. I almost never used it anyway because I just found it so cumbersome and stupid looking. And I have not engaged in conversations when there's like six people in the replies just because I got two words to say here. And they're dropping vowels just to get in the conversation. Exactly, or removing someone which never feels right either. I'm actually most worried about the retweeting and quote tweeting your own posts because the ICYMI posts can get annoying if you're following someone closely already. That's in case you missed it. And I imagine that's probably what this will be used for most often. It is nice that a conversation following your content tweet can stay under that instead of being split into it in case you missed it post. Sure. It's nice, but also because now at replies will be shown to everybody, I don't know how it's going to work when you're trying to go back and follow a conversation. It could be a little complicated. Yeah, I do like the way they now will put at replies for people you follow in line so you can follow the conversation a little easier rather than having to sort through. So maybe that will make it work fine. Hopefully. I'm looking forward to the rollout. I'm just hoping because I find that sometimes if I block somebody, I still see them a lot in my feed whether other people retweeted them or the block didn't take and I have to go back and do it again. And sometimes if you're using TweetDeck, you might have blocked them in TweetDeck but not in other places. On Twitter, yeah. Nine to Five Mac reports it has corroborated a research note from KGI Securities Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo about new 13 and 15 inch MacBook Pros, but they're not coming until Q4. The rumor had been that they would announce them at WWDC and they'd be available in July. This rumor, by the way, still a rumor, well, or leaked depends on how much confidence you put in Ming-Chi Kuo. This one says not until Q4. Kuo says the new MacBook Pros will be thinner and lighter. That could have been guessed. But will include Touch ID, so you can have fingerprint access and an OLED touch bar above the keyboard in place of the function keys. There will also be metal injection molded hinges, USB-C, thunderbolt, and a 13 inch version of the new 12 inch MacBook is expected as well if you were holding out for a little bigger screen there. Jen, this one makes me very sad because I have a broken screen in my MacBook Pro and I was hoping to be able to replace that within the next month. Now I'm thinking, well, maybe I should just spend the $300 to fix the screen myself. I always like Mac notebooks because they're very pretty. Not anywhere near my budget. Yeah, real expensive. And it does have a touch bar. That could be kind of cool. That OLED, that is the kind of thing that in other manufacturers, not all other manufacturers, another manufacturer's hand might not be pulled off so well. But in somebody who's really good with design, like an HP or back in the day Sony or Apple, that could work. I have a problem with the function keys not doing what they're supposed to sometimes though. So I don't end up using them a lot on the OS X. Yes, well my regular keyboard, it has, it's a logitech, so it has all the G keys on it. I have one with 18 of them because I use a lot of shortcuts when I'm working with Adobe. So yeah, I understand that you want those function keys to do what they do. Yeah. Pebble announced the Pebble 2 and the Pebble Time 2 watches both with built-in heart rate monitors will be coming soon. And the Pebble Core, a clip-on for runners. That Pebble Core is $99. It will come with a 3G connection, although you'll have to get a SIM card for it. And it will have a headphone jack. People are comparing it to an iPod Nano. The Pebble, or an iPod Shuffle, really. The Pebble 2 is $129. That will have a silicone band, a 1.26 inch e-paper display, so black and white, and 7-day battery life. The Time 2 is $199. It's a stainless steel watch, comes with a silicone band, but you can buy a leather one if you want. One and a half inch, 200 by 228 pixel screen, a software update for both of them will include an actions list for faster access to certain app features, and that'll work for older ones too, I think. All the devices are available for a discount right now on Kickstarter. So that's the interesting thing, Pebble, doing this Kickstarter thing again. Not because they need to raise money, but because they started on Kickstarter and they have a great community there, so they've already hit their goal of $2 million easily. Watches will ship in September, and that clip-on core thing won't ship until January. And frankly, that was the one that I was more interested in, but I don't really want to wait that long for it. Pebble makes me nervous. Well, Kickstarter in general makes me nervous about, hey, we're going to ship at this time. It's like, oh, no, you won't. But I think this time they're probably like actually ready. Yeah, I agree with you on Kickstarter shipping dates. They're not set in stone. People generally miss them. Pebble is enough of a solid manufacturer at this point that I feel like these are probably pretty solid dates. And they're pretty well priced too. Like when wearables first came out, one of the ones I got on early was Body Media because I wanted something to track how I burned calories in hockey because I was curious. And that was way more than this cost. So it's kind of nice to see that price coming down and hopefully the manufacturing quality will be solid. Even if these heart rate monitors aren't terribly accurate, a lot of people just like to have a little bit of slush data, and that's what Pebble's saying is... It's an idea. Yeah, next to communication, fitness features are the most requested thing. So they're just going with what the user base wants. Google announced changes to AdWords Tuesday. Local search is coming to google.com and Google Maps so you'll be able to buy just for particular regions. Promoted pins can add a logo to your Google Map location. AdWords headlines are expanding now so you're going to see bigger ads in your search results. AdWords headlines go from 25 to 30 characters and descriptions are beefing up from 35 characters to 80. Advertisers will also be able to adjust bids by device so they can bid a little more for mobile if they think more of their audience is there or vice versa. You'll have a different price for mobile versus desktop. I'm surprised I didn't do some of that stuff already. Yeah, I know. It's funny sometimes when a company like Google just assumed does everything. I would assume localization was available on google.com already. I feel like I've seen that, but I think it wasn't as targeted necessarily because I know it knows that I'm in Southern California when I first moved here. Well, you know, that could just be search though. When I first moved here, I searched for Pepperdine University because a friend of mine worked there, but it was going on the search, not on my actual location I suppose. Anyway, I saw Pepperdine University ads everywhere. Not too excited about seeing more characters in Google AdSense ads, but they say it's more effective. They get more click through that way. I'm sure the third party plugins to hide those will be immediate. Yeah, absolutely. Platform as a service company, Twilio, has launched a couple of new products. An add-ons marketplace is one. Add-ons are pre-integrated modules from technology partners that users can access through the Twilio API. Twilio also announced Programmable Wireless, a SIM-based service in partnership with T-Mobile. It's meant to allow developers to build in cell service into any device, like an Internet of Things device or even a new mobile phone service. A lot of the talk I saw was about enterprises using this to give a work SIM to people so that they can lock down the features that are used when that SIM is in there or they could make phones with very limited feature sets programmed on them. Programmable Wireless is coming in Q4 with volume pricing starting at $2 per SIM per month and $0.10 per megabyte, but they get cheaper the more you use. And this isn't meant for you and I to go buy the SIM. It's meant for somebody who wants to start a business and maybe include some data with a product. I'm glad you explained that because I hadn't heard about the company but I had no idea what they did. What Twilio does that's genius is they make it so that you can add telecommunications features like text messaging, let's say, into your product without first of all having to be a telecommunications engineer and second of all having to pay the outrageous price that the telcos would charge you as an individual customer. So Twilio goes and they buy all this capacity kind of as an MVNO in a way and then they sell it to devs so they can add it cheaply and easily into their products. What this is doing is saying let's do it for hardware. Let's do it for devices and say you can put a connection in your device it will cost you a lot less than if you had to strike a contract with a carrier and we are good at this kind of integration. So it will be easier to integrate into the software that runs your device. Do they have any competitors at this point? I don't want to say they don't because I haven't researched it closely but Twilio is definitely the name in this sort of situation. They are very unique. Very interesting. Yeah, I mean it's basically turning AT&T in this case T-Mobile and T-Mobile doesn't mind into a wholesaler that's like yeah we'll handle the network side of this and of course T-Mobile touting that this is them being the un-carrier and they're going to make internet of things be able to connect everywhere. So it's certainly interesting to see if this will catch on. Facebook General Counsel Colin Stretch sent an open letter to US Senator and Commerce Committee Chairman John Thune with the results of Facebook's investigation into bias in Facebook trends. Stretch claims conservative and liberal topics are approved with identical rates. However, Facebook still feels like there could be room for abuse or the appearance of abuse so they're going to update their policies, update their training, no longer rely on an RSS feed of external websites to validate whether a story is big enough to go into trends and no longer look at the top ten websites as an indication of the importance of a topic. Senator Thune issued a statement saying that they found the report acceptable after was transparency and they feel like Facebook is being cooperative. You can't fault Facebook here for their transparency in this particular thing. They got together an interesting group of people all in the same room and had a big open conference which I feel was unusual for them. I hadn't seen too many examples of that, but it's the same dangers of a walled garden. Facebook is your source for news. That is not the internet. That is not the world. Facebook. I wonder I hadn't thought about this till just now. I wonder if this is all of those fights that Facebook went through in like 2008 through 2012 where they try to change something and people would become outraged and Facebook would back off. The fact that they went through so many of those and learned how to communicate allowed them to handle what could have been a very sticky situation. This was not only political, but it was about the validity of Facebook's algorithms which already are controversial in the news feed and I have to hand it to Mark Zuckerberg. He seems to have been able to bring people together who are stakeholders in this and say let's figure this out in a way that has Senator Thune, folks like Glenn Beck saying, yeah, I like what they were saying and I feel satisfied that they're listening to us and taking appropriate action. It was very well handled, full marks for that. The Windows 10 upgrade that troubled Justin Robert Young, we mentioned it briefly on Thursday's show, is causing frustration for loads of other people as well. The new Windows 10 upgrade notification is now labeled recommended, meaning it stays scheduled even if you click the red X when the notification window shows up. Now granted, this is definitely an exercise in you should read every dialogue box before you do something but you have to read it carefully and it's not exactly obvious that clicking the red X is not dismissing the scheduled update. What the dialogue box is saying is we have scheduled an update. Is that cool? If you press OK, then yes, it stays cool. If you press X, you're obviously leaving it as okay, I guess it's going to stay scheduled. You have to click on the word here or it says if you would like to cancel or reschedule this upgrade, click here to cancel or schedule the upgrade. It's not very big it's kind of towards the top of the dialogue box and this is all part of Windows trying, or Microsoft trying to get Windows 10 upgrades done before they start charging for them after July 29th. Have you run into this at all? I just did a quick stint as a product photographer company and all this screaming I could hear from upstairs when somebody's computer would randomly update Windows 10. For people who work with finance software, you need to stay on older versions of Windows. When they snuck in another Windows 10 update in the IE security patch, that got a lot of people who had previously disabled it. I ran the registry hack to stop it on my machine with all my Adobe stuff on it because that takes a while to fix. And you could roll it back sometimes. It's not easy and you have to do some searching around to find the right way to do it. And if you lose a whole business day, that's very costly for small companies. And I get the people who are defending Microsoft aren't wrong that you know what then the enterprise should have had a policy that said recommended updates don't get automatically added because that is what is happening here is if you say I always want patches to just install Microsoft is treating this as a patch but I don't know that an upgrade to a new operating system should be treated that doesn't seem right to me. It feels like a much bigger step than hey we're going to fix this whole. Yeah so scheduling something without someone specifically scheduling it themselves and knowing okay I have scheduled this to happen is what's causing the frustration and I think people are right to get upset. Fast Company says Samsung executives tell it that no more Samsung Android Wear devices are in development or being planned. They are not going to make any more Android devices or anything else the executives say the Tizen OS is more battery efficient that's an OS that Samsung acquired and has developed they use it in a lot of their embedded systems like in smart fridges and televisions so everyone who mocked Samsung for acquiring Tizen back in the day apparently you can still mock them if you want but Samsung serious about it they're not even going to make Android Wear watches anymore. Yes they like making money on their own stuff because they get to create their own walled garden it's all theirs. I wonder if there's a truth about wearables that maybe Google and Apple would not like you to think about where it shouldn't really matter what operating system is on your watch it should just work with any phone look at the success of Pebble as an example of that like I would like the world to work that way actually. I'm curious to see what they do Samsung has had neat ideas and some bad execution but maybe this time we'll pull through. Internet of Things is a scary thing because once you have everything talking to everything like just about the fitness wearables there's no security on those things. People can track all sorts of things which thankfully isn't hugely useful but could be in the future if that ties into your car if that ties into exactly where you are at any moment of the day. You're heating, you're air conditioning, your door locks yeah exactly. Uber told TechCrunch that Toyota is partnering with them to expand their vehicle financing program and the Verge reports they're investing money the Toyota is going to drop some money we don't know how much into Uber the Verge reports Uber drivers can lease their vehicles from Toyota and cover their payments through earnings generated as Uber drivers so kind of a free car although you are paying for it out of your own earnings the two companies will also conduct ride sharing trials in countries that have yet to establish the practice this comes at the same day that Volkswagen announced it's investing $300 million in black car hailing service and get of course GM previously invested money in Lyft so it looks like the car companies are all figuring out their next transition by investing in ride sharing companies and it's certainly in Uber's case there will be the pursuit of self-driving cars as part of that. It's really weird to try to imagine right now the future on the roads in 10, 15, 20 years there's so much chaos in the market right now yeah and if you're a driver this is going to be great because it makes it easier to acquire a better car and you'll have a choice I think Lexus will be part of this as Toyota and Lexus are part of the same company Toyota gets a stake in Uber which Uber's been kind of flying solo even DD and they're not DD Kuali anymore the ride sharing service in China DD and Apple are tying up so everybody's partnering up it's the end of the night for ride sharing apps and they're all figuring out who they're going to go home with and Uber and Toyota are together so there you go thanks to everybody who submits stories at our subreddit we can't thank you enough subreddit helps us make a better show every single day and I always like to recognize a few of the people in there Loki Robert, Mr. Anthropology Phillip Shane and more submitted stories you can be one of those people to go to dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and if you're like I don't have time to submit things just do some voting look for some interesting stories vote them up, vote them down, whatever you want to do dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and that is a look at the headlines alright let's talk about eLeague just to refresh people's memory this is a partnership with Turner Sports and WME IMG launching on Twitch today it will also air Fridays with a weekly showcase on TBS at 10pm Eastern Time and you were telling me Jen that it will be airing on Brazil a couple of times a week on regular TV full replays VOD, twitch.tv slash eLeagueTV and of course live streaming matches Tuesdays Wednesdays Thursdays and even an alternative when it's on TBS on Fridays so what could folks expect if they go here I mean I know it's casters and it's eSports and games happening but this is a lot of coverage going on this is a lot of coverage and some serious invested money like not only is the price pool 1.4 million dollars to be split amongst the teams they've already committed to more than one season of this this is not a fly by night this is not just a trial they are committing to this being a thing now it's not going to look very different people who are already into Counter-Strike and are already watching regularly it's just bigger budget, bigger stages same personalities you know same teams that you know but now it's on television it's not just Blizzard with Heroes of the Storm on TV now Counter-Strike one of the earliest of eSports on TV in the United States and you were pointing out the stage looks like it even when you're watching on Twitch this looks like a big production of millions of dollars from sponsors to pour into these sets and into this coverage and a lot of sponsors that you would not normally associate with eSports Yeah, RB's Credit Karma and Buffalo Wild Wings are not companies even a year ago you would have guessed sponsoring a game about planting bombs and blowing down terrorists it's quite an interesting turn of events to get these companies that aren't necessarily involved in gaming sponsoring this kind of broadcast initiative I mean Buffalo Wild Wings big name if you're not familiar big name in the United States RB's has been around forever they've been selling those roast beef sandwiches for decades so those are big names to get involved Credit Karma is an interesting one like that's a financial service thing and so they're taking a big bet and I guess they're all they get exclusivity in their category is that it? on twitch right now in the twitch sidebar you'll see there it is the RB's ad wow Cloud9 did really well in that round but that side ad is not a general thing on twitch this seems to be kind of new for this eLeague broadcast and I know that TBS has said that they will give uninterrupted game coverage limited commercial time so they're going to have to get creative like that with these sponsorships are we going to see uniforms with the the soccer type patches and logos already happens so we're going to see more of that sort of thing reports brought to you by yeah so anybody who's followed eSports knows that eSports has been taking off and it has hit the big time but I think a lot of people maybe into technology maybe play video games but aren't following eSports don't quite understand what this is like you're just sitting and watching someone else play a video game to them is one of the criticisms I've heard of what do you get out of this that is that similar rush of watching any sport do you think at this point CSGO is pretty established people know the teams people follow the teams you buy the jerseys you wear them of your favorite players just like any sport and also the broadcast level has really come up huge in the last few years I'd say even ten years and twitches me that easier now people know the broadcasters they follow their favorite casters and then the casters and the analysts get together and they break down the game exactly the same way that they do in hockey, football, basketball it's kind of the same experience for video games I know from just watching Hearthstone casts and tournaments that I will pick up things that help me play the game better and I think that happens some but it's also not like oh well I could do that too right like these are people playing at a really high level I got to play Street Fighter against some pros and Counter Strike against some pros and I got destroyed and it's not that I'm new with the game I'm actually pretty decent but it's a different level this is their life this is their job this is what they do they are pro gaming athletes so check it out folks give it a little look if you ever I think if you're into video games and if you have a casual or more interest in generally watching sports you're going to find a cool cross section here twitch.tv so how long does this go on do you know like how long the season is the first season is a couple of weeks and there's a lot of games going on here teams have to come to the US for an extended period to make this happen and then I'm looking forward already to season 2 because I do not get TBS in Canada so I will be watching exclusively on Twitch and I know Twitch has you can follow the best of 3s on Twitch on Friday when it's on TBS but you're not you're going to get alternative viewing you're not going to get the straight feed that you would get on Tuesdays through Thursdays right I'm not sure how they're going to handle it at this point so I will be talking to my friends in the states on Friday when I land in Chicago and see how that's going because I really can't wait to watch more of this hopefully you get TBS in your hotel room exactly that's how I'll be able to see it and sample it that way twitch.tv eLeagueTV again if you want to sample it out also and my wife works for this one YouTube is launching an event hub for E3 now Twitch is the official coverage partner for E3 but if you remember Jeff Keely hosted coverage for YouTube last year YouTube's coverage will begin with EA and Bethesda's keynotes on June 12th followed by a 12 hour stream on June 13th so shorter coverage than what you'll get on Twitch and it brought up an email that I got from Derek Chen Derek longtime friend and friend of the show who works in advertising and generally has to go to E3 for business reasons we were talking yesterday about this new fan version of E3 that will be held separately from the main convention and Derek says look I think the general public underestimates the amount of industry business that occurs during the show behind the scenes it's easy to get caught up in the press announcements and the flashy booths all the news stories around the games in E3 but that's only part of what goes on there just because Activision and EA don't have booths doesn't mean they're doing just as much they're not doing just as much business they're still there technically not on the show floor but they have events and pressers in the area that week and to be honest EA and Activision's booths weren't very accessible anyway with most of the main games behind closed doors I'm more than sure however their teams will still be out in full force though E3 is just about as much about marketers, executives, retailers and other third parties getting together to meet and do business and hold meetings if you walk around anywhere in downtown LA especially the steak houses and katsuya in the area it's all full of people in suits talking shop that's not to say E3 won't continue to change I mean the show in itself has seen some pretty large ebbs and flows over the years changing in attendance and purpose with the growth of the fan conventions such as PACS part of the direct and public fan engagement will shift out of E3 and as I can tell the purpose of an industry event E3 will still be needed so you know we've been speculating what this might mean for E3 Jen what do you think? Well first of all Derek I love your letter you pretty much nailed a lot of the things I would have said about it for E3 on the floor as a journalist I'd have appointments so yes the EA games would be behind closed doors I show up I say who I am I go behind those doors and play the game it's not accessible to the general fan as to get into E3 the E3 floor is where companies spend the money the E3 surroundings is where the companies make the money that's when all the deals are happening so you pretty much nailed it on that front I remember several years back when E3 decided to just go into low power mode essentially and it was only happening in hotel corridors they still held it because of that they just wanted the business to happen I wonder if this fan version of the convention is them trying to approach that idea again but smarter saying eh you know maybe having this big show floor isn't the best for getting business done and we can get back to that idea we tried a few years ago but not lose the press attention and even maybe gain some fan outreach for every single packs the passengers sell out in hours so if E3 wants to be able to take those pictures the show floor packed wall to wall bringing the fans back will make that instantly happen and the journalists are still going to have to show up and cover it the business people will still do their work and maybe it'll be easier for the business people to do their work if they don't have to wade through a show floor I don't know well it'll be interesting to see thank Derek for sending that email as always our pick of the day comes from Andrew in Minnesota I said in episode 2764 Justin had Windows 10 seemingly forced upon him today is Steve Gibson's Never 10 Steve wrote an extremely small executable that does not need to be installed will block Windows 10 from being downloaded and installed will even clean up Windows 10 files if it has already been downloaded in the background and you have no desire to install it so before Windows 10 happens to you if you don't want it to happen you might want to check out grc.com that's NEVER 10 that's NEVER 10 it's a small business that can run with the command line switch aka startup script so you can make sure that it's on the computers of the people you want to make sure stay on Windows 7 I love Steve Gibson I know it's genius right well we used to share episodes on call for help in Canada so I would always hear about the cool things he was working on and just an absolute stand up classy guy big fan and good stuff too grc.com slash NEVER 10 NEVER 10 grc.com and you can find more picks at dailytechnewshow.com a few emails before we're out of here today Victor wrote in and said he was listening to Peter on the Sunday show talk about the Motorola Razr reboot and it occurred to him that it might be useful in more than just in fact more useful than watches with 4G Victor says when I had my old Palm 3 I wished that I could purchase an inexpensive flip phone that I could tether my Palm to with bluetooth headphones a tethered watch tablet or PDA etc and the inexpensive flip phone as the hub add e-paper displays water or dust proofing and a battery life of several days maybe a decent camera I could take the phone everywhere and the other peripherals only when I needed them now that tethering is free on most plans Motorola might just make my dreams of 2010 come true so I don't know if you saw the Razr tees from Motorola Gen but they're pretend they seem to be indicating they're bringing back the Razr I had a Razr I'm not gonna lie me and everyone else I'll keep an eye out for it no it's not in the closet it's right here what do you think of that idea of this just being a minimal hub with the connectivity and that you could then use it with other devices like tablets etc when Sony announced that you could kind of like take just your Apple's phone or anything and connect it to watch YouTube through there I thought oh that's silly and then I started using it immediately and all of the time so I can't write anything off this early yeah I kind of just I think that the larger phones like the Galaxy S7 and the iPhone 6 have showed that if we want something convenient we actually just want a bigger screen so we don't have to carry a tablet but maybe there's another section of the market that would want this as well it's an interesting idea we got loads of emails from folks about self-driving cars with our conversation from yesterday thank you all for writing in I've written back to some of you on some points and I picked some representative samples of others here first of all this email says would we even have cars now and we'd spend trillions and trillions over time on paving and other expenses and the Edsel I am the Stig, Akron, Ohio most likes have a top gear shout out yeah thank you Stig for writing in and you're absolutely right I'd probably still be riding a horse Rich from Lovely Cleveland said he had plenty of time to be fully engrossed with our discussion on self-driving cars as I was parked on I-90 trying to get to work in real time how amazing human drivers are as they tried to merge at the last minute into my lane drove onto the shoulder to get to their exit cut off semis and in general do their best to make me late for work as much as safety would be a potential benefit for self-driving cars I have to think general efficiency would be just as much of a gain as seemingly humans lack the ability to plan ahead where they are driving rip out my steering wheel I am ready and waiting for our self-driving future and then Theo Fraxis said I'm definitely one of the 15% who can't wait to take my eyes off the road but there's one thing I don't understand if I want to rejigger the car in my driveway will my car understand actually a lot of people wrote up with a similar point here will the car understand parked next to the Edsel a lot of Edsel references in your emails as well he says or if I'm attending a rural county fair and I need to park in a big grassy unmarked field how do I issue the command park over there or must I say move forward 17 feet and then turn left 49 degrees I agree that a big steering wheel is a waste of space if I'm zooming down the highway but for those minute manipulations what would replace it interesting I hadn't thought about that because I never assumed these things were going to work in my lifetime well they might but yeah probably not in the way that he's talking about you're still going to have cars that you can drive for just exactly these situations for rural areas a lot of people were writing in saying they haven't solved for heavy rain heavy snowfall yet if the lanes get occluded they can use mapping and geopositioning pretty well to follow those lanes because they can use other signals but once the vision gets occluded the sensors can't see through it so that's difficult and also off-roading a couple of people pointed out like if I just want to go off-roading I'm not going to get in a self-driving car but do I have to own a separate car for off-roading then I wouldn't be able to use it track days were you guys talking about edsles because that's two edsle references right there I don't know I have been known to bring up the edsle from time to time so maybe I did, I don't remember and finally Tad Robbins pointed out that BTMS plays daily on the refrigerator in his showroom floor at CNC Home Appliance at Lake Charles, Louisiana we'll have a link to that picture in our show notes as well thank you to all of you watching this on a refrigerator right now in Lake Charles, Louisiana I've been through your lovely town and I appreciate you paying attention please look around and enjoy yourself by refrigerator perhaps I love that he's doing that that's fantastic, thank you Tad for putting that up there anyway that is a look at the messages thank you again Jen Cutter for joining us my pleasure, it was a nice surprise for us as well when I say come back soon I always meet it so I'm glad you came back even sooner than we expected where can folks find more of what you're doing online Twitter is definitely the best place because I'm moving all of my websites so at Jen Cutter you'll see links to everything I'm doing right now I just edited a review of DOOM new DOOM which is actually surprisingly good at ZAM.com ZAM.com check it out ZAM.com or for you Americans ZAM.com thanks to everybody who supports the show we rely entirely on you if you're willing to help out and you've got a dollar a month that you can spare go to dailytechnewshow.com slash support there's lots of different ways we have a YouTube backing we have a store, we have PayPal and of course we have Patreon.com slash DTNS at dailytechnewshow.com you can give us a call 51259 daily that's 5932459 catch the show live Monday through Friday 4.30pm Eastern at alphakeakradio.com and diamondclub.tv and visit our website at dailytechnewshow.com back tomorrow with Scott Johnson and Ek from Hockey Buzz has a hollow lens we'll talk to him about it tomorrow see you then this show is part of the Frog Pants Network get more at frogpants.com that was great that was fun thanks Jen I'm happy I was available me too, so good to have you back how ironic that the next show we have is a hockey yes I heard that it's a hockey thing do you know Ek by any chance? no I don't but like hockey we're okay with each other yeah exactly I think he's in Philly I always get this wrong for some reason but yeah he's been doing hockey buzz for years if you haven't checked it out it's worth a look hey Roger did that picture not come up for you of the fridge? it did not I just saw your face I just clicked on the link and it came up it came up for you but it showed everyone it might have shown up on your screen but I don't think it showed up on there how's that? now I see it so there you go there's the fridge play it away and like Charles who would have thought Tom 15 years ago my face will be talking on a fridge alright titles what do we got? we got esports ball colon DR got windows 10 esports ball winning because it was the first one suggested probably trending is not news toy uber uber rota uber royauda uber royauda twitching over e-league mom says stay inside and play sports brevity along with the soul of twitter pebble hero of the core kickstart the pebble discounts let me see er the champions oh there's also e will rock you wow we got a lot today esports I love TLDR got windows 10 it's kind of exactly what happens perfect summary I don't know there's a few good ones in there do you guys have a favorite see where's the where's the other one er the champion er the champion er the champion er the champion er the champions I'm not sure if that would come across like I like it I'm just wondering if people would get it er the champions perhaps a shame for the suggestion at the very least yeah for sure why are you twitchy it's just e-league oh ESPN but it says electronic sports player network from big gym well they did broadcast what was it heroes of the dorm heroes right yeah yeah I'll vote for that also big gym when I see your name I think of a slim gym makes him hungry do they sell those up your way I was the one that ultimate warrior did the commercials for way back in the day right snap into a slim gym yeah wait what's in a macho man Randy Savage I remember a macho man doing it here it may have been both snapping to a slim gym fake beef jerky it's the best there is even some beef in them I hear you know sometimes I have a fear that they'll mix in the dog chew toys with the slim gym and you won't know which one all right Roger well I don't know if you were using your powers wisely but you have picked the title it's electronic sports player network yay ESPN do you have ESPN no I can't read minds yeah ESP it's just like magic except that it's sort of science it's just like magic except science yeah that's what makes Ghostbusters so amazing well that's the whole thing that's the big trope of science fiction is like well you can't have magic so we'll give a we'll give a fancy term for what essentially is magic is it science fiction or fictional science they used to refer to it as science fantasy like Star Wars was yeah the trap or not trap the designated science fantasy while 2001 by Isaac Asimov was concerned yeah what we call hard sci-fi these days a lot of people really tried to defend that the word science fiction to just be about like actual fiction based on real science and then there's too many fantastical elements that get thrown in so when I say I write sci-fi I don't really write a lot of science I try to base it on science but I don't get hard you write stories about the human condition Tom isn't that like 90% like isn't that like I really write stories about people it's like yeah of course you do no one's gonna read a book about it most stories are character driven I'm writing a story about a factory that builds cars they're about relationships they're about drama and tension it's like well yeah if you don't have those the worst shows the worst books Shane says I like hard space opera hard space opera that's what I want to write I want to write hard space opera I'm trying to think of a space opera well okay so space opera is sometimes what you call like a Star Wars right like oh well it's not really hard sci-fi it's space opera it's just having a fun story but it's in space and that I don't know if they would take a fence to this and I hope they wouldn't but Leviathan Wakes and the Expanse series is hard space opera like they get the science right but they don't go deep into it they don't go into long explanations of it and I think that's one of those things that I think trips up a lot of writers is that like oh it's science fiction I really got to explain out everything no you just got to explain it enough that it makes sense you don't have to like hard sci-fi justifies everything the reason we're doing this is because this has turned out to be true and sometimes it's speculation about what will be true like Kim Stanley Robinson I think does great hard sci-fi because he doesn't get too lost in the details but he justifies all of the technology that exists I learn a lot in those books who's the other do you think William Gibson consider I always think of him as cyberpunk but I guess yeah in the computer world he's hard sci-fi because he is trying to get stuff right yeah Dune I love Dune although I've only read the first book space opera Dune I've always been meaning to read all the other ones but I kind of know how they end so I'm not sure at the time I mean it was a great book and I really like all the analogies and metaphors that he makes without being so blatant about it well if your kid gets into it one day you can read the series with her I'll read it will be the chapter before bedtime or I guess the three pages of the next chapter suspense or light if you imagine something that can float and also has light that's basically a floating lamp so why do they go to a desert planet there's no water well there's a big back story behind it but you'll have to read two more books I fully appreciate it and this whole thing about religion and kind of I don't know he's not really a demagogue he's more of a what do you call it what do you call the guy that runs or person that runs like a cult cult leader no but isn't there a little more grand eloquent term for them are you saying Frank Herbert is a cult leader no the character oh oh oh you know later yes like what do you call him he's a messiah character but I don't there's a different term because it's not something no I know what you mean now there is a term for that so when do you fly out tomorrow no I actually fly out Friday morning but I have so much stuff to get done before I go because I won't be able to contribute or edit or do anything or yeah and Thursday night I have hockey too so my time just keeps getting shorter well at least you're down to one leak well technically this is for a second leak but I'm just filling in I don't actually play in more than one leak anymore yeah so much time on the ice and most of my life on the ice it's like they should pay it's so funny because it's all like you guys are all chipping in for the fees just seems like a job in many ways I mean it sounds like it's fun well that's why I'm only paying for one now as a ringer for other teams they call me and they cover the fees oh this new girl I don't know who she is I don't know if she can play hockey very well is that what you refer to yourself as a ringer in this particular case I used to play for this team before but yeah during for tournament weekends I get a lot of calls saying hey we're in this division come and beat up everybody for us which I don't know anymore because I just I started to feel way too bad about it because it just became a competition of who can call the best ringer oh yeah no it's an extreme out of top snack right yeah it's amazing so I don't do that anymore that's so funny I didn't realize that was a real thing that happened all of the time like the one league that I am playing in it's phenomenal it's also really cheap and it's where all of the CIS NCAA and other high-level people come to play in for the summer when they're home and they don't want to get here because they've all got scholarships to protect so it's just really good clean fast hockey wow that's my favorite league all year is my summer league no you will still hit each other but it's not going to be a cheap shot from behind yeah nothing wrong with checking hockey is a contact sport I know I'm just when you say people want to protect themselves I'm just thinking it's like hey well if I had to guess Jen it would be they don't want to play with people who are either out of control or don't know what they're doing right because that's where you are more likely to get injured because somebody who doesn't have the experience will be very unpredictable which is it can be unsafe depending on because you don't know how they're going to attack you you don't know if they know how to hit the boards properly there's a lot of things you got to worry about makes sense alright well we are good the ship was up everything is awesome we'll let Jen get back to her stick and pack him for Chicago I'm going to do that literally next and we'll see the rest of us Joe Roger and I will see you guys tomorrow bye everybody