 Israel es en un estado de guerra. Las familias son completamente abiertas en sus caballos. No tenemos ni idea de lo que sea. Los soldados están lutando en las fronteras, pero la percepción general es algo que también tiene que ser tomado. Esta semana, en el 24, Israel bajo ataque. El 24 en español trae el análisis y la información de los acontecimientos de la guerra, espadas de hierro. Entrevistas exclusivas reportes desde la zona de guerra. La reacción de los países hispano-parlantes. En el 24, el único medio en español que te mantiene informado y conectado con la comunidad latina en Israel. En el 24, únicamente en I24 News. Sabemos que antes de lanzar los hostes, les dieron a los homicidios. Planazepam, un estabilizador de estabilización. Para que ellos se sientan altos y se sientan calmos en las fotos. Este homicidio, si no se usa, le dará un sentimiento alto, incluso si estás en un estado muy puro. La noticia de la noticia de la guerra continúa. Soy Benisa Levine. El cabinet de la guerra en Israel es expectante para adresar el país. En breve, es el presidente, Benjamin Netanyahu. El ministro de Defensa, Joav Galant. Y el membro de la guerra cabinet, Benny Gantz. Su noticia es expectante para incluir detalles de su reunión en las últimas horas con las familias de los restantes 138 personas que han sido capturadas por Hamas en Gaza. Es 60 días, desde que fueron capturadas durante la rama de la rama de Hamas en el 7 de octubre. Más de 1,200 personas fueron asesinadas durante la rama de Hamas. En un festival de música, en Kibbutzim y Moshavim y en bases en el sur de Israel. El día más oscuro en el país, 75 años de historia. Los líderes israelíes, repitiendo, reiterar, van a eliminar a Hamas, un grupo terrorista que se describía más malo que Isis. Y, por supuesto, nos llevará esos speeches de la guerra cabinet como y cuando suceden. Y ahora por más. Bienvenido al estudio, Danny Ayalon, ex-Ambazador de Israel para el U.S. y ex-Israelí Deputy Foreign Minister y el presidente de Silver Road Capital. Y aún con nosotros, Sr. Diplomatic Correspondent Owen Ultiman. Danny, muchas gracias por ayudarnos. Hemos tenido mucho que discutir desde el comienzo de este programa, el top of mind right now is the 138 hostages as confirmed by Daniel Higari, the IDF spokesperson, during his briefing a short while ago, still held captive and families desperate for answers wanting to know how the fighting is going to impact the chances of them coming home. Well, it's gut-wrenching, of course, heartbreaking. I think this probably would be the toughest decision that the war cabinet will ever have to take during this campaign on the war of Gaza. But I think, and we will hear them pretty soon, hopefully, but I think that the message would be that we cannot stop short now. The momentum, you know, you cannot play with the armor divisions, you know, stop and go, stop and go. And right now, the campaign is going on full force in the Hanyunas area and of course cleaning out and mopping up the Jubalia, the northern Gaza. And I believe that their rationale would be. I'm not sure that the families of the kidnapped would accept it, but that they have to double down on the military pressure that this is the best chance to get the hostages out. And the families will have to live with it. I don't think there is any other choice at this point unless, and I think one of the things that have been entertained, among others, is to offer Sinoir an exit. You know, if he would release all the hostages and he can lay down the arms, he can get a free exit out of Hanyunas to Qatar or wherever. So he get, or Turkey, so he gets his life back to him with these cronies for the hostages. So Israel is ready to go a long way to get these hostages out, but it's not all depends on our decision. That's the thing is, it's pretty much Sinoir's call, unfortunately. At the end of the day, I actually think it's ours. The problem is, as you said, that at this moment in time, at this juncture, the price is just too high to get the hostages free because it would mean ending the war. It would mean, let's be honest, it would mean losing the war. It would mean losing the war. And in that sense, this concept that these two goals of winning the war and bringing the hostages, well, it was said at the beginning that they're consistent with each other. It may be that that argument has run its course. And Donny, you said that the best way to free the hostages is to continue the war, but that just postpones the day of reckoning because then you need to decide, do you wanna win the war or do you wanna free the hostages? I suppose what you're trying to say is that you could do both. You could achieve Israel's goals on the ground and under the ground in Gaza. Let's see noir go free and then also get the hostages back. I suppose that scenario is live. It's a, I think from Israel's perspective, a best case realistic scenario. But again, I think we can't ignore the likelihood that at some point there are going to be choices made between these two goals. But Owen and Benita, there is a flexibility here, which is what is the definition of victory. We can decide that the definition of victory is if we have seen noir out, then that is part of the victory because then after he's out and we get the hostages, then I think it is a position where Israel can really have its different choices for the future. And without actually also risking Israeli soldiers in trying to storm in the positions of Sinwar. If he's out, then it obviates the more military operations. So the war victory can be defined in different ways. I think at the end of the day, I push back against that victory means, I think it's clear to the Israeli public that Hamas is no longer in control of the Gaza Strip and its military capabilities are very significantly dismantled. I think to that degree, the definition of victory is not flexible but right around the edges in terms of Sinwar's fate, there obviously is room to play with. Oh, and Danny, stay with us. We've got lots more to discuss on exactly this front, but right now, let's go to our correspondent, Zack Anders. He joins us from Northern Israel and earlier, Zack Red Alert siren sounding up north again, Kiryat Shmoner, as well as Betelel. What is the latest there? What update can you share right now? Yeah, we saw those videos of the interceptions taking place over Kiryat Shmoner where we are right now at a location where one of the rockets fell a bit of damage in the road but no injuries to speak of and that's the latest from the IDF that there is no injuries in today's strikes on Kiryat Shmoner, but it is significant to see these heavy rocket launches launched from deep inside Southern Lebanon with quite a range, attempting to hit further targets here. We've heard the outgoing artillery targeting these positions where Hezbollah is supposedly launching these launch sites from. They also, I've been told that sometimes when we hear this artillery, it's not just in response, it's sometimes preemptive as they see potentially Hezbollah moving into position to get trying closer to the border. They try and close off roadways by continuing to fire on empty roads and attempt to show the Hezbollah fighters as they move in their vehicles that hey, the IDF is still here. We still see you do not come this way. Correspondent Zack Anders live from Northern Israel, more to come from Zack of course in the coming hours. Thank you. Now earlier in this broadcast we spoke about the spike in anti-Semitism at American college campuses. Now we go to Belgium where the focus falls on controversial educational material distributed by the UNRWA Relief Agency. Now that's the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees and we take a look at the steps that Europe could be taking to stop this. So, we now welcome from Belgium, Sharon Haskell, member of the parliament, the National Unity Party, joining us live from Brussels. Thank you so much. I understand you are busy with meetings as we speak so we so appreciate your time. We know Germany has already moved to freeze its funding for UNRWA operations in Gaza indefinitely. Other European countries also taking steps. Talk us through the meetings you are involved in there to make sure that UNRWA doesn't get funds to keep fueling hatred in this region. Absolutely. Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me and hosting me on the show. Those meeting are extremely important because here in the European Union there are representatives from many different countries and also funds that are coming from the European Union into UNRWA and into the Palestinian Authority that are actually funding incitement and education system that is teaching to terror, to murders, that is really teaching young children hatred and racism towards Jews. I've been meeting many parliament members from the European Union from Holland and Romania and Germany and England and many more, sorry, the English representatives are not here in the European Union but they are here on a religious delegation, a Christian delegation as well. But my main focus is to speak to them about taking responsibility on the funds that they are transferring into UNRWA. UNRWA is not the solution, UNRWA is part of the problem. UNRWA is perpetuating the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and we've seen that in Gaza employers, United Nation employers of UNRWA are actually members of Hamas. We've seen schools and hospitals of UNRWA as well that are being used as shields for terrorist organizations, for rocket launchers, for bunkers, for hiding places for these terrorists. The IDF is still collecting more and more evidence but it's pretty clear that UNRWA is not part of the solution and there has to be a reform in this organization. One of the freed hostages says they were held by an UNRWA teacher. What kind of response are you hearing to this? A civilian teacher holding hostages in their home, briefly. So this is, so it's absolutely outrageous. And the explanation is mainly to, when UNRWA, when the United Nation is condemning Israel and warning that UN workers have been killed, they need to understand that many of those United Nation worker are actually UNRWA worker. Many of them are actually activists of Hamas. Our combatants association of Maccabees. Today as in the past they're fighting with courage, with great heroism and determination. And today as then we shall pray together for the safety and the safety of our country. We will give big salvation to our nation. I and the members of the cabinet met today with the families of their hostages. Those who we managed already to bring back and those that were doing everything in order to bring them back. I heard heart wrenching stories about thirst and hunger and physical and mental abuse. Little children who still whisper the great darkness of their loved ones. I listened and you did too. About sexual harassment and abuse and vicious incidents of rape. But I must say that until just a very few days ago I didn't hear the organizations for human rights. I didn't hear the women's organizations or the UN organizations of women. I didn't hear their cry. And I say to them, where are you? You were silent because we're talking about Jewish women. I want to say it loud. In a language that everybody understands. I say to the women's rights organizations, to the human rights organizations, you've heard of the rape of Israeli women. Horrible atrocities, sexual mutilation. Where the hell are you? I expect all civilized leaders, governments, nations to speak up against this atrocity. Anisotaf mele la daaga muka Anisotaf mele la daaga muka The great concern of their families whose loved ones are still held in Gaza. I understand the uncertainty. And the intolerable difficulty I said to the families that we don't save any effort in order to bring back their beloved ones. Bringing the hostages back is one of the three objectives of this world and they serve one another. We check every piece of information. There's a huge intelligence body that deals only with that around the clock. We are doing it with responsibility in order to bring back all our hostages back safely. And I say all of them is soldiers, men and women, civilians, men and women, young, old, all of them with no exception. And in any decision bringing back the hostages is part of our concern. And we are on the right track. Today, I saw the little Emilia Aloni, age six, going back to the kindergarten. The kindergarten teacher is hugging her. So do her little friends. And for one moment in these very dark hours our heart fills with happiness. And it's not little in these days. We managed to bring back 110 of the hostages by a great force of ground operation and political effort. And I say to you, this is the only way to bring back the hostages who are still there. In the captivity of Hamas, we are committed to doing it. Hamas tried to dismantle us with going to dismantle it. Many of the murderers came from Sadjaria. They broke into the fence and committed these atrocities. In the beginning of the week, we eliminated the commander, one who actually commanded a lot of the atrocities that happened in October 7. Until now, we eliminated half of the commanders of divisions, anybody who was a partner, who kidnapped, who raped, who murdered, who burnt our people. We shall not forget and we shall not forgive. We directed the IDF to continue the war. We continue the ground operation against Hamas everywhere in the Gaza Strip, including the south. We did it with huge force. And the earth shook in Chanyunas and in Jabalia. We encircled both of them. There's no place we don't get to. We controlled the general command of security in Hamas. Our soldiers holding face-to-face battles. They liquidate many terrorists in every battle. We are victorious. We fight to the end, up to the full victory. Our combatants are the real resilience and determination of the entire nation. Pero todo esto tiene un precio muy grave. Todo el fallo, en realidad, rompe nuestro corazón. Ben Zussman, fue este mes en Gaza. Ben fue en el Corte de Militaría y Ingeniería. Él era el sol de la tierra, el gran sportivista. Él era un combatante real. Pero junto con Ben, cuatro otros miembros de su escuela, una escuela en Jerusalem, también Aner Shapira, el combatante que salvó la vida de muchos, después de que él regaló 7 granades, también sus otros amigos, Ariel, de la Armada, Shakhar Friedman, de los paratroopers, y Vira Barazani, también de los paratroopers. Y digo esta noche a las familias de Ben, Aner, Ariel, Shakhar y Vir. Digo a las familias heridas de todos los soldados fallos. Tus amigas, nuestros amigas, no fueron en vaino. Vamos a combinar juntos, vamos a ser decisivos, vamos a derrotar hacia la victoria, hasta llegar a todos nuestros objetivos, bringing back the hostages, liquidating the Hamas, and Gaza will never again be a threat to Israel. We will ensure that there will be no factor there who educates towards terror and funds it. And another word about a day after Hamas. Hamas, Gaza must be demilitarized. And for that, there is only one force can make sure this demilitarization, and that is the IDF. No international force can be responsible for that. We saw what happened in other places where they brought international forces in order to demilitarize. I am not ready to shut my eyes and to get any other arrangement. I call again the civilians in Gaza to get out of their areas of battle. And I say to our friends all over the world who are pressuring us to finish the war. The only way to finish the war and to finish it quickly is to exert a decisive force against the Hamas, to eradicate it. If our friends want to help us to shorten the war, this is also their war against the barbarism that is controlling the world. They just have to stand erect next to us. And I say to them in English any other language. Stand with civilization. Citizens of Israel in my many visits in the area I meet are combatants, men and women our heroes of the IDF Shin Bet, the police one of the combatants, Ariel, in the armored corps he was sitting on top of his tank and he was talking to me in Gaza en his tank, in other tanks in the area religious and secular sitting together, Jews and non-Jews people from the right, from the left all of them fighting together all of them are full of spirit a spirit of unity of camaraderie of victory. At the beginning of the Hanukah Festival we are going to talk about the heroism of the Makabians and today due to them and with the help of God together we shall prevail About two months ago the war broke out Hamas thought that the results will be different it is getting beaten it's losing control and this is achieved because of a very determined and decisive action of the IDF soldiers from air, from sea and from land the results are very significant impressive, precise we are working with the peak of force every day I approve the plan and I meet the commanders in the field and I see the results however unfortunately in war you have prices and there are heavy prices each of the fallen soldiers dear people beloved by their families their friends, by us as a nation, as a security system many of them I know personally many of them are commanders or sons of I look at it and I pain but I say to them to all of us there is only one way to justify the sacrifice and that is victory and the victory has to be decisive precise, accurate and touches upon the objectives to hit the Hamas organization and to dismantle its capabilities military and civil and to bring back their hostages to their home yesterday as well I was in the border of the Gaza Strip in the south and I look together with the commander of the area we looked up close at the battles that are happening at the north I see the process I see the accuracy, I see the activity and I know that the combatants are not leaving one tunnel alone no location of production of weapons no missile storage they are acting there so that from that place they will not be able to act again they eliminate it with all their means and possibilities with accuracy with force, with collaboration between the various branches and because of their courage and determination both theirs and the commanders 5 days have ended since the maneuvers started in its second stage and I want to say to you that we went with great force from the north of the Strip to the south what happened to the city of Gaza is now happening in Chaneunis these are very harsh blows with very impressive results the terrorists of Hamas they understand today very clearly nobody is going to help them neither Iran nor the Hezbollah they are only dependent on one thing the strength of the IDF and what happened in the north of the Strip will happen in the south they will be not one battalion that will be able to be a real threat we are going to dismantle them one after the other both the commanders the subcommander all the chain of command all their control system the storage of weapons and all their arms recently I'm being asked whether we have a legitimacy to continue and I say we do not have a legitimacy to stop there's only one legitimate thing and that is to overcome the Hamas to hit it to liquidate it and to stop it from ruling to be a military force and to bring back the hostages I met hostages the families twice this week I met with them today also on Sunday and the pain and the stories are really very very harsh and I say to the family members and actually to some of the hostages everybody came after they were released and they met me in the last week and I say to them we are fully committed to bring back all the hostages with no exception the IDF creates the conditions in order to get to that and we are doing everything possible and we are going to do every effort possible in order to bring their release we are enhancing their pressure to get to the achievement and we are also making focal efforts that have to do with a lot of risk to the IDF soldiers in order to create intelligence and operative possibilities to bring about the release of additional hostages day and night the soldiers from special units together with the Shin Bet en every place where we can get to any results and they are doing it in a very impressive way I reiterate there will be no possibilities where we will not make every effort possible in order to bring back the hostages home this is our duty as a nation as a state, as a security system my own commitment as minister of defense to conclude let me clarify we are fighting a just war the most just we are fighting a no choice war because we don't end it with victory our life in this region is not going to be life and therefore we shall make every effort possible we are going to mobilize the entire public we are going to mobilize the IDF at the end of this war the Hamas as an organization will stop existing in the Gaza Strip no matter the effort we are going to make it hello everybody we are continuing to expand the ground operation in Gaza as we promised and we are proving nothing is going to stop us some people thought us will prevent the renewal of the war and we prove that only Israel is going to determine its future we are going to do whatever we have to everywhere in the south and the north and in order to do that we shall listen to our friends and do what is right for the state of Israel this war viene con un precio grave quiero conviercer mis condolencias a las familias de los soldados y a la recuperación de la defensa hoy hablamos de una reunión muy complexa, dolorosa y importante con las familias de los hostes incluyendo algunos de ellos que regresan nosotros como cabinet vamos a abrir la puerta 24-7 para estas familias todos de ellos estamos tomando un gran esfuerzo para lanzar los hostes una misión que necesita un gran equipo de todo el país y me gustaría strengar los que están conmigo día y noche la misión muy hola y que están sacrificando a ellos las familias que están estresando en una forma inspirada la cabeza del Mossad la cabeza del Shin Bet el chief de staff Gal Hirs todos los que están involucrados con la conexión con las familias la gente de Israel se ríe y se ríe cuando veo que los que regresan están estresando y estoy muy amazado su movilización es un ensalador de la fuerza de la sociedad israelí y la esencia de responsabilidad mutual vamos a hacer todo posible para que bringen el hostes todos ellos son heridos no hay un hostes que es más importante o menos importante que otro es para todos no hay excepción todos los políticos o la oportunidad operacional vamos a tomar dos días antes de la Festival de Chaluca donde hablamos de heroismos y aún más hablamos sobre el supremo heroismo de los individuos y de la sociedad una gran luz que viene de muchas personas de nuestra sociedad dos de estos heroismos que fue Guy Simchi y Moshe Leiter de la Memoria sus padres publicaron una letra que debe ser un decreto para todos nosotros y eso es lo que escribieron y yo cuento en los días en los que continuamos a traer la muerte pero aún estamos estresando los enemigos despacitos los días en los que estamos enganchando nuestros esfuerzos para retrasar sus hostes debemos dejar controversias afuera y para actuar como una unidad cohesiva de la gente y por eso como personas, como ciudadanos debemos tener una mano de combate pero una mano de construcción de la fuerza militar y de la sociedad eso es lo que debemos previstir en nuestra unidad el heroismo de nuestros combatientes y la liderazgo vamos a overcoming nuestros enemigos me gustaría apreciar al presidente mañana vas a pasar el budget en primero escuchar los ciudadanos de Israel entender los desafíos de la guerra también desde el punto de vista económico especialmente los que fueron evacuados y los reservistas están mirando a nosotros ahora aún no es tarde para parar todos estos budgetos adicionales que no tienen nada que hacer con la guerra y para transferirlos y otros recursos para las necesidades de la guerra en tantos momentos eso es donde la liderazgo y eso también como en otras cosas que tenemos que hacer con la guerra que tenemos que actuar de una consideración comprensiva Oded Yaron que fue muerto en la guerra de Yom Kippur escribió en una diaria y yo cuento Yaron en mi opinión, incluso si prevemos la vida después de esta victoria será mucho más difícil la vida antes de eso y estoy seguro que lo haré como después de la guerra de Yom Kippur vamos a aprender y crecer estamos preparados para la continuación de la guerra y incluso después meses y años de operaciones militarias tenemos la determinación los pacientes y tenemos la mejor persona posible incluso si la victoria será difícil vamos a volver incluso si la construcción será más difícil vamos a construir solo en la edad de la Festival de Hanukah vamos a hacer todo que la luz de las familias de los hostes van a salir de las puertas y que las personas celebrarán para que la luz de Israel continuemos desde la cadena israelí adreciendo a la nación cabinet membra, Benny Gans defensa ministra Joav Galant y primero fue el primer ministro Benjamin Netanyahu porque la mensaje de sobrevivir es que esos goles aún están en lugar para eliminar Ramas y también un comitment para asegurar la relevancia de todos los hostes pero esta noche, un gole es más igual que los otros un gole es más igual que los otros y ese gole es luchando ¿Cómo Joav Galant se ha memorabilizado? He preguntado si tenemos la legitimidad para continuar combatiendo y he preguntado si tenemos la legitimidad y he respondido que no tenemos la legitimidad para que se despliega esa es la mensaje clara que se han llevado de todos los tres y quizás un poco menos de Benny Gans que sabemos de sus propios propiedades en el pasado ¿Puede poner un poco más de un premio o más de un premio para que los hostes sigan ganando la guerra pero claramente, ese un gole es más igual que los otros seguramente hemos escuchado eso de todos tres de ellos, de Netanyahu en un sentido sidestepado una clasificación directa con las familias pero, al menos, uno no es exactamente una mensaje que las familias estarán muy emocionadas y eso me da a ti, Danny Ayalon si eres relacionado con un hoste que ahora está siendo capturado por más de 8 semanas y has escuchado estas tres palabras exactamente No soles, por lo tanto y, claramente, no hay nueva noticia en estas tres palabras no hay noticias sobre definir la victoria todo ha sido establecido no hay noticias sobre el desarrollo en el grado no hay noticias sobre el día después y no hay noticias sobre los hostes por eso creo que fue casi impresionante y, seguramente, no hará ninguna paz en la mente de no solo las familias de los hostes, pero también no de los israelíes, en el final del día vemos también la división, todavía la división política en el cabinet de la guerra cuando Gantz habló en el final aún apeliendo a Netanyahu para dejar todos esos fundos necesarios para otros para el esfuerzo de la guerra fue sorprendente, cuando se escuchó el budget de Benny Gantz en esta junta, especialmente cuando haya sido un esfuerzo para los tres miembros de el cabinet de la guerra a pesar de sus diferencias cuando están unidos para los adresos a la nación no es sorprendente en principal Benny Gantz ha sido muy claro sobre cómo se siente este budget votando contra él y con su partida votando en el gobierno yo estoy tan sorprendente sobre los eventos de octubre 7 pero estoy tan orgulloso de todo lo que veo desde entonces sé que las oficinas desde que eran captores de la armada, estaban bajo mi comando en muchas posiciones por décadas, están haciendo un buen trabajo veo los combatientes en el fiel, y estoy seguro que el ministro Gallant también puede testificar excelentes combatientes haciendo un buen trabajo profesional y hay una gran prioridad para verlos y estoy diciendo a vosotros con todo el dolor y el desastre que sucedió y se sucedió tenemos a alguien que relaje desde el punto de vista de seguridad como para las sanciones americanas again pregunté a todos también para mis colegas americanas no usar el concepto de violencia de los satélites, no representa el estado de israel o los satélites de Judea y Samaria 99% de estas personas enormes hay satélites 80% de los hombres están ahora en el frente y proteger sus hogares en el norte y el sur infortunadamente hay una violencia de radicales de extremos tenemos que condemnarlos en todo modo posible de la liderazgo y tenemos que exertar contra ellos todos sus herramientas y me recomiendo a nuestros amigos que estén muy cuidadosos quiénes están hablando otra pregunta sobre las preguntas ¿cuál es la pregunta? Dime en el estado de la ley y Israel es el estado de la ley la autoridad para exertar violencia es dada también a las personas que fueron autorizadas por el gobierno la policía, el Shin Bet la armadura, nadie más tiene ninguna autoridad para exertar violencia ni pequeño ni grande y hablando sobre un grupo que vive en Judea y San Maria no es el right one tenemos muchas injunciones y sé que muchas personas no vienen de ellos vienen de otros lugares y es por eso que quiero decir que soy contra cualquier actividad de elementos ilegales por cierto, todo lo que pasa en todo el mundo muchas personas take weapons y hay muchas cosas que no deberían hacer y hay que combinar contra eso nosotros y nuestros enemigos tienen diferentes goals y diferentes valores no podemos comportar como nuestros enemigos ellos quieren enviarnos y nos matan nosotros queremos seguridad para nuestras personas y por eso no podemos usar los menores o los que acten porque tenemos que hacer violencia que es ilegal con todos los menores y vamos a hacerlo no necesitamos a otras personas para explicarlo nosotros estamos determinados de hacerlo de cualquier manera, este es nuestro camino este es nuestro trabajo este es nuestro país y nadie que exerce violencia definitivamente tirando ilegalmente tenemos que dejarlo y dealing con ellos Yara Shapira el primer ministro el señor el señor el ministro y tu gobierno tiene que decirle sobre el budget sobre lo que hacer con la coalición el budget, usted dijo que no es el momento de hablar sobre el budget cuándo es el momento de hablar sobre el budget ¿puedes responder las acciones de Gantu que dicen que es la falta de liderazgo y otra pregunta ahora es 60 días a la guerra ¿cuánto tiempo podemos decir que la responsabilidad para el desastre se va a construir con solo luego ¿es correcto? las mismas personas continuan a manejar la guerra solo dos preguntas, eso es la cadena de guerra israelí tomando preguntas a la ministra de la defensa y al capitán de la guerra Benny Gantz y aún con mi estudio quiero pegar Daniel Ayalon en el ministro de la defensa que tiene un comentario interesante que dice estando con nosotros, estando con Israel estando con civilizaciones estando con las organizaciones internacionales que no han sido suportivas que no han sido extranjadas en las atrocidades que han estado emergiendo en las últimas 8 semanas Bueno, Will, él es absolutamente correcto de lo que pasa en todas estas organizaciones y especialmente las organizaciones mujeres había este fenómeno que creo que sí después de tantos años de abuso y en realidad quieto y no dejando a las mujeres incluso una manera de hablar y expresarse que siempre había este tactico de no solo self doubting pero doubting a las mujeres hay que demostrar que es exactamente lo que están haciendo colectivamente a las personas jews o si eres una mujer jews si eres una mujer israelí no creemos en ti hay que demostrarlo y hay que ir a la campaña y por lo tanto en ese caso creo que Netanyahu es correcto nuestra misión de UN es correcta sobre realmente rechazando y moviendo en el centro de la agenda internacional porque tiene que ser una condemnación decisiva pero no solo eso pero actuando sobre esto incluyendo trials para este abuso son crimes contra la humanidad por lo tanto no solo he escuchado los snippets de Netanyahu en inglés pero he escuchado antes de la tradición de la hebra cuando hablaba de esto y recuerda, al menos en el primer caso las diferencias entre el modo en que ha habido en inglés y el modo en que ha habido en hebra y en hebra es esa línea que esencialmente las mujeres no importan si son mujeres jews y escuchamos eso en la tradición y luego va a la más ausente línea en inglés con el amor de la organización fue interesante y creo que es raro que Netanyahu se arrojó en la versión de inglés y no estaba capaz de decir en inglés con el mismo pasión y con el mismo tipo de la naturaleza en términos de la manera en la que ha dicho en hebra más broadly sobre este caso hablamos de cómo las familias hostigias fueron en la audiencia pero creo que hay dos otros soldados hoy y según la naturaleza de la pelea y lo que escuchamos en la pelea y con la unidad y tal vez serán otros días cuando perdemos números similares de soldados 81 soldados israelíos asociados por esta gran operación Absolutamente y hay 300,000 que han sido llamadas reservas en la edición de la militaría por supuesto que no todos son en el corazón de la unidad pero muchos son los armados de la estación o reserva y creo que hay una noticia sobre lo que podemos esperar para las familias aunque todos entiendan los riesgos que los soldados están corregidos y por supuesto, la audiencia 3 fue la administración de la Biden donde Israel está haciendo todo lo que Antony Blinken ha dicho no hacer la guerra en el sur parece exactamente lo que Israel ha dicho no hacer la humanidad de la humanitaria viene de las fases y empiezas pero no viene en la forma de Antony Blinken así que otra cosa que Israel está haciendo no es lo que la binarización quiere hacer han llevado la criticism lo que es detrás y lo que es lo que se va a desarrollar en los días y lo que es lo que se va a desarrollar y lo que es lo que se va a desarrollar y lo que es lo que se va a desarrollar y lo que es lo que se va a desarrollar y lo que ella ha tema ella realiza muy rapidamente que suelta 5 veces al día en la она es un entrar en la lluvia ella se recordara y las lluvias en el son de laFreeza estas cosas viven que la Hehman era que sé, quehor y ella revolvining Cuando yo vengo a ellos, ellos venen de la distorsión. Vienes de la distorsión. Yola, Yael, todo el tiempo, por su madre, ella nunca dejó a Adi. Hasta dos días atrás, ella se escuchó. Ella no hablaba de nada, no se hablaba de nada. Una vez más, pero, sabes, no, ella se ha quedado de su mente, se ha kidnapado, lo que sucede. Se ve todo, no habla de nada, no preguntaba, no sobre el padre, no sobre el padre, como sabemos, todos 6 de ellos fueron a un lugar. No nos fué con ellos, no. Nos vimos algunos de los niños que venían con las injeras hipopeticas. Hay una niña que necesitaba una operación. Injueres a las piernas, injueres a las manos, carros que estaban en niños, un desfile de un niño, lo que dice que fue un desfile de motocicleta. Vemos muy low hygiene conditions, en niveles que no recuerdo encontrarte en niños, historias que escuchas de otras áreas, lice, rashes, infecciones de la piel. Algunos de ellos han perdido el peso en una manera muy, muy significativa. ¿Qué significa eso? Tienes kilos en niños, mucho. Llegamos y después de la primera reunión con la familia, ¿qué es la primera cosa que quieren dar a los niños que los conocen? Llegamos a los niños y a algún momento nos encontramos con la comida de los niños, para que no los comienzan mucho cuando llegan. Por eso puse yogurte y rojas en las manos de los niños para que no haya mucho. Tenemos que continuar a apoyarlos y darles todo lo que necesitan, ahora y en el futuro, pero son increíbles. Hemos recibido un grupo de niños inspirados. Sabemos que no lo conocen. Por ejemplo, lo que pasó a su padre. Fue muy feliz de sorprender para ver a su padre en ese video que realmente murió rápido a la velocidad de la luz y a su madre en brazos. Y de repente, veía a su padre y fue seguro de que su padre había sido kidnapped. Ella no sabía que su padre fue salvado y salió de él. La primera cosa que le preguntó después de mirar a su padre y de repente no se veía Llor, su hermano, le preguntó sobre su hermano y los padres tenían que decirle que era la primera cosa que le preguntó después de que regresó, sobre su hermano, que su hermano se murió. De lo que sé, y esto es casi la primera cosa que he escuchado de ella cuando veía a su padre, esta toda la vida, ella no tenía casas, por casi dos meses, esta mujer no tenía casas. Ella dice que ella se humilló mucho, que ella tenía una experiencia muy difícil, que ella se trató mal, y esto se ha engravado en su corazón. Todo lo que ella hace, ella recuerda la experiencia de ahí. ¿Ellos estaba allí solo? Ella está muy miedo para los abductes que permanecen detrás. Están todavía en peligro. Ella estaba literalmente muerto ahí, realmente, y ella no vive en nuestro mundo ahora, ella está todavía ahí. Es imposible que se despliegue ahí, es imposible. Tenemos que llevar a los abductes fuera de ahí. Si no los llegamos ahora, no se va a salir vivo. ¿Cómo se mantiene la sanidad? ¿Qué se hace todo el día? Ella dice que la mayoría de la vez, ella solo miró a la puerta. Eso es lo que ella tenía que hacer, y ella solo se ocupó con las ideas de mi hija es bien, mi hija es bien, mi hija es bien, mi hija es bien, mi hija es bien. Ella se mantiene intentando convencerla. ¿Tienen cosas que no vemos, pero que puedes decir que algo ha cambiado? Su entusiasmo para cada cosa, de las cosas más básicas que ella tenía antes, no sé, tal vez una taza para la espalda, o un chocolate o algo para beber, se ve la luz en sus ojos, que ella acepta cosas así. O sea, se usó, siempre... Empezamos la comida, como usual. Hoy estamos prohibidos de comer comida. No hay nada así. Sabe todo, lo ponen en el frío. ¡Find un lugar! Estamos prohibidos de cuidar los 29 retorneos, ahora el 30º retorneo. A casi todos ellos sin excepción. La primera cosa que quieren hacer cuando metieron sus familias fue hablar. Hemos escuchado mucho de ellos sobre los juegos psicológicos que fueron jugados con ellos como parte de los abusos psicológicos que fuieron. Así que también es relacionado con información que ellos compartieron y no compartieron. Como parte de la psicología de la captura, de crear dependencias de las capturas, pero con mi sentimiento de lo que escuché de las personas, es que ha sido reforzada a muy altos niveles. ¿Qué significa elaborar la tarjeta psicológica? ¿Qué significa elaborar la tarjeta psicológica? La tarjeta que son fogos. El sentido es que fue fascinado, no randonado o planificado, no una relación que se convierte en una DNA de una captura de la captura y una una planta ducta, pero crear la infraestructura psicológica para jugar sus cu見て de manera que lograra convertirse en suya. ¿No son evidencias de abuso? Sí. Pero no voy a crosses de detalles. As I said, I can say it's about the whole range of abuse that a person can dream of. I want to hear some of the returnees who just want to talk, and I found myself sitting by their bedsides for hours and listening to their stories. It's no different from testimonies of people who survived the ghettos or concentration camps. It feels, it sounds the same. I think we can't sleep at night because of those who have returned and the stories that they have to tell. And I say again, we will take time for it to come out. And we still have a lot of people there who are being held in bad conditions. And as the days go by, they're still there. Truly unimaginable. And that's where we wrap up this breaking news edition. 138 hostages remain in captivity in Gaza at this hour. Our rolling coverage continues. Yohav Limor and the Strictly Security Team is up next. I'm Benisa Levine. Thank you for watching. And we leave you with these images of five-year-olds Emilia Aloni, going back to kindergarten in Israel. Emilia was one of the youngest hostages held by Hamas terrorists for more than seven weeks in Gaza. Look at these images. Look at these hugs. Thanks for watching. Made for me, official dresser of I24 News. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Israel is at war. Make an investment in Israel bonds. It is the most powerful and direct way to stand with Israel. Visit israelbonds.com and invest now. It is in a state of war. Families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where she is. Our soldiers are fighting on the front lines, but the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well. En News 24, Israel bajo ataque. News 24 en español trae el análisis y la información de los acontecimientos de la guerra, espadas de hierro. Entrevistas exclusivas reportes desde la zona de guerra. La reacción de los países hispanoparlantes. News 24, el único medio en español que mantiene informado y conectado con la comunidad latina en Israel. News 24, únicamente en I24 News. Es un momento de ganar. Habrá sobre el rol del cuerpo armado y su significación en el manejo de la tierra. Habrá sobre el sistema de protección tráfico activo, asegurando que nuestros tanques y los soldados en ellos son seguros y suave. La delegación de los oficiales de la hogaría de Israel se dice que llegará a Israel en la semana para discutir el día después de la guerra en Hamas, en Gaza. Habrá sobre varias opciones y planes para la Gaza cuando la guerra termina. Habrá sobre el rol de la guerra en el manejo de la tierra. ¿Y qué son los escenarios posibles, todo eso, y más, que lleguen en el momento? Vamos a comenzar. Las últimas noticias son correspondientes. Zac Anders, Siza, la bordera norte. Zac, la batalla ha resumido en los últimos días. Hoy, principalmente en la ciudad de Kiryat Shimona, nos da la noticia a esta hora. Ha sido una serie de desgracia que ocurren todos los días aquí, con estrellas que hacen lugar. Muchos de ellos vienen cerca de hogares y estrellas cerrados con tráfico, pero continúan a caer en las áreas openas, como hoy, donde vimos lanzamientos de roca, targetando a Kiryat Shimona, que, de nuevo, porque muchos de ellos han evacuado, han caído en el medio de la rueda, en una área, y, por suerte, nadie se ha caído. Hay un playground right across the road, de donde los estrellas de roca han caído. Y, por supuesto, late at night. Así que, las circunstancias aquí, son todo el tiempo, y continúan a ser remarcables para ver el nivel de la batalla que está tomando lugar aquí, en la bordera norte, como hezbla, intentan targetar, no solo las posiciones de IDF, pero también en las áreas civiles, en estas zonas. Hezbla, hoy, tomando crédito por cinco diferentes lanzamientos. Hay más que se han caído, y hay más alarmas en el día, pero, al menos, de lo que Hezbla está reclamando, a través de las redes sociales, están tomando crédito por cinco de estos lanzamientos. No hay injuríos parentes hoy, y eso es la parte importante. Zac, muchas gracias por este reporte. En el día 60 de la operación de la guerra de Gaza, en la estrellas norte de Gaza, es, principalmente, en la ciudad de Caniúnez, mientras la IDF está stilleando en la parte norte, también, la corrupción de la corrupción de la defensa del señor, Jonathan Regev, con los detalles. La estrellas está saliendo todo a través de la estrellas, como las cinco fuertes están targetadas, uno después del otro. Uno de ellos es Jabalia, justo al norte de la ciudad de Gaza. Es un área muy densidad popular, donde los terroristas pueden subir de una estrellas, prácticamente, en cualquier lugar. La IDF dice que, estrellas de la tierra y del aire, se han encircado en Jabalia, uno de los últimos detalles en la estrellas norte de Gaza, y están ahora tirando la misión peligrosa de acceder a este área de terroristas para further establecer el control israelí. No hay que dejar de parar. Puedes seguir moviendo hasta la victoria aquí, y debes saber que las próximas misiones están already planned. Esta es la próxima misión. Chanyones es la ciudad más grande en la estrellas norte de Gaza. Este es el lugar de la nacida de Ilyasín Juárez y Mohamed Def, la política y los líderes militares de Hamas en Gaza. Esto es también el lugar que Israel cree que muchos de los hostes están heldados. No hay gran incursión aquí todavía, pero las alturas alturas muy pesadas y los estrellas del aire, sugeren que es volvido. Puedemos procurarlos en el norte de Gaza. Estamos ahora procurando Hamas en el norte de Gaza, también. Vamos a operar en máxima fuerza contra los terroristas de Hamas y infraestructuras, mientras minimizando el peligro para los civiles que Hamas se desplazan en las estrellas. Es un desafío difícil, como la mayoría más grande de la población de Gaza, más de 2 millones de personas, se concentra en esta área. Mientras Israel está intentando protegerlos, Hamas no tiene problema o, tal vez, incluso un interés en sacrificar a todos. Ahora, en el norte de Gaza, joins nosotros ahora de la ciudad de Ashdod, un día para nosotros, por favor. Así que, como Jonathan Rege ha reportado, la operación de IDF en Gaza continúa en máxima fuerza. El IDF dice que el día anterior fue la más intensa día desde el comienzo de la batalla cuando el IDF continúa a eliminar a Hamas en la parte norte de la estrellas, principalmente en las habitaciones de Saïd Jair y la ciudad de Jubalia. Pero como la conformación fue recibida hoy, también están operando en la mayor ciudad de Hanyunis, en la parte norte de la estrellas de Gaza, el ministro Beniganz, en un rato de tiempo, dice que vamos a operar donde sea necesario para eliminar a Hamas, que, por supuesto, con los objetivos de Israel de eliminar a Hamas las habilidades militares en Gaza. Pero, como esta acción está funcionando, hoy, en muchas áreas, en Israel, en Bershiva, en Tel Aviv y también en Ashkelon y Ashdod donde estamos hoy, antes en Ashkelon, directo a una construcción, una construcción residencial, una madre y dos niños que pudieron encontrar un refugio en la estrellas, miraculously, salvando sus vidas. Los dos mujeres del incidente, Hamas es definitivamente intentando mostrar que todavía tiene la habilidad de lanzar rocas, mientras la IDF está operando en muchas áreas en la estrellas de Gaza y, obviamente, que la pausa en el combate de la pausa de la semana durante el rechazamiento de la hostia que, por supuesto, le dio a Hamas mucho tiempo de respirar, y resettarse, así que no es una duda que es capaz de lanzar rocas que no pudieran deterir la IDF de continuación para eliminar a Hamas en todas partes de Gaza y todavía estamos esperando una gran batalla para decir la verdad. Guai, vamos a hablar un poco sobre la frontera civil, en la estrellas de Ashdod pero en las más cercanas de la estrellas de Ashdod ¿se ve residentes civiles que están volviendo a sus hogares después de dos meses? Sí, una gran diferencia entre estas dos ciudades, por supuesto, la estrellas de Ashdod junto con el resto de las comunidades que están más cerca de la borda, bueno, fueron todos evacuados por este estado, fueron todas given alternativas de acomodación en hoteles, en Tel Aviv, en Eilat, en el sur de la tierra, así que muchas de estas residentes seguramente han ido, aunque tengo que decir que hay algunas excepciones, he estado en el Kibbutz de Mefalzim, en la frontera y sorpresamente, no sólo el equipo de emergencia pero también algunas residentes de Stubborn que decidieron que estén en contra de la frontera y eso es un threat inminente ahí. No es el caso de Ashdod, obviamente la más grande ciudad más cerca de la borda, la mayoría de los residentes no fueron given a chance de evacuar por este estado y, afortunadamente, tengo que permanecer ahí bajo ese threat de rocas, el mismo va para Ashdod y Israel es un pequeño país, no lleva más que 10 kilómetros adicionales para llegar de Ashdod y otros 20 kilómetros, 30 kilómetros para Tel Aviv, son todas muy pequeñas distancias. Entonces, si van a evacuar de Ashdod a Ashdod o incluso a Tel Aviv, obviamente, los rocos llegan ahí también, como vimos muy bien para la ciudad de Ashdod, vimos bastante movimiento ahí, residentes que florecen en su propia parte a partir de la guerra han comenzado a regresar, la vida es un poco normal, por supuesto, no es el caso cuando viene a escuelas y algunos lugares de trabajo, pero las personas al final del día no tienen nada más que ir, esa es la situación en Ashdod y es muy diferente de lo que es, literalmente, un sueño en estos días. Guai, muchas gracias, mantienes bien, gracias por esta noticia. El día después ha yeto terminado en Gaza, pero las especulaciones han sido en cuatro semanas sobre lo que ese sonarismo puede llevar. El correspondiente diplomático Owen Alterman nos da una pequeña distancia de las direcciones posibles. Antes de el día después en Gaza, el día ha yeto terminado. Pero si la guerra, en realidad, cogezca el homenaje de poder, entonces tres diferentes tipos de regime podrían arreglar el barrio. Hemos dicho que cualquier responsabilidad de seguridad que tomen porque de la operación militar en Gaza debe ser temprana. El primero, la reocupación de Israel, con Israel gobernando dos millones de gasas, visto por casi todo como un pecho malo, pero aún la defensa. Si la guerra termina con Israel en control, Israel habrá que encontrar un perro para replicarlo. Fue a encontrar a alguien y Israel estaría estupido. En definir ese futuro, en formar ese futuro para el Gaza, para el West Bank y, últimamente, para el estado palestiniano palestiniano tienen que ser en el centro de eso. Y así la segunda opción, los palestinianos gobernando en Gaza, son los palestinianos either the Palestinian Authority, revitalized Palestinian Authority or some other structure run by Palestinians. In Washington and beyond, seen as the better choice. A skeptical Israel will try for deep change in Palestinian education and policies toward terrorism. We will do everything to ensure that Gaza does not return to pose a threat to Israel and that there is no element in it that educates its children and then the third option in international force enticing say Saudi Arabia or the UAE to take on influence in Gaza to show goodwill to the Arab world and to project power against Iran. The outside actor could work through a Palestinian Authority its sponsors showing options can be mixed and matched to find something key players can rally around. Yes and now I'd like to welcome our guest for this part of the show Dr. Radish Waert's Research Fellow at the Misgav Institute here in Israel and then in Washington DC Clifford May, founder and president of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. Thank you both for joining us tonight. So Adil, let's start from the Israeli point of view. What does Jerusalem want because Prime Minister Netanyahu says no to Hamas, no to the PA, Palestinian Authority and no to an Israeli control over the Gaza Strip. So yes to what? So first of all good evening and thanks for having me. I think it should be or it would be some kind of a mix of options two and three that you correspond and just mentioned. I don't think that PA would be allowed as the Prime Minister just said even a few minutes ago but some kind of a local Palestinian leadership that might be for example the mayors of the different cities of the Gaza Strip or some kind of a Palestinian leadership that would run civilian or daily life such as taxes and sewage and education etc. And I do believe also that there would be some kind of Arab auspices such as Saudi Arabia UAE definitely not Qatar perhaps Egypt the more moderate Arab countries I think a mix of these two local Palestinian leadership and umbrella perhaps of Arab countries but all this time possibility for Israeli security forces to repair counterterrorism attacks and whatever it needs to control the security. Yes Clifford many thanks for joining us from Washington DC How does it look from the other side of the Atlantic? Well I agree with what I've just heard I would just say that as a matter of international law and as a matter of procedure this is not Israel's primary responsibility I think it's good that there are Israelis who are thinking about this and looking towards the future but Israel's responsibility right now there are still 138 hostages Hamas is still launching rockets Hamas is still trying to jump out of tunnels Israel's primary responsibility is the defense of its civilians and its primary responsibilities to achieve its war aims I think that we all have to understand that means stripping Hamas of any military capabilities and of any governing capabilities now after that it's complex and it's good that people are thinking about it yes there may be local mayors who can do a lot there may be technocrats there may be people like Salim Fayad who was once prime minister who was living en the United States now as a professor who was a very good sort of who was somebody who wanted to build the foundations of a nation state when he was in the part of the Palestinian authority maybe they can be brought in I think the U.S. may want to organize a kind of coalition of the willing and a coalition of good will that might include Saudi Arabia might include Egypt might include Jordan might include the United Arab Emirates should not include Qatar to see what can be done so that you could have a period of reconstruction in Gaza that's going to be necessary and the Israelis will have security responsibilities until such time as there are no terrorist organizations posing a threat to Israelis that I think that has to be understood by everybody and I would hope it's understood in the administration here in the United States I think plenty of people do and I think others are going to like myself will make that case yes but Mr. May you've started by eliminating Hamas' ruling governing capabilities and its military capabilities that takes time that might take a lot of time you know weeks Israel speaks of months people in Israel speak about a year you hear the administration you've seen you know the administration's senior officials arriving at Israel both mainly secretary secretary of state but we've heard secretary of defense as well I think it's saying to Israel you don't have that time yeah that's unfortunate because if Israelis are forced to rush that's going to mean more death and destruction not less death and destruction I would give the Israelis the time they need now how much time will that take well those who care about the people of Gaza should be telling Hamas to surrender to give up its weapons to give up its hostages to come out waving little white flags and then this could all be over quickly long before Hamas runs out of weapons and runs out of rockets and runs out of ammunition we have Hamas leaders living in Doha Qatar right now Qatar is in theory and more than theory a major ally of the US the US should be telling Qatar to tell those Hamas leaders to tell their commanders it's over we want to save the people of Gaza it's time to lay down your weapons immediately and that should be said throughout the Arab world and that should be said by the UN and it should be said by the Europeans if that's not the case then these people are allowing Hamas to use average Gazans as sacrificial pawns that's wrong in the meantime the Israelis have to do as necessary eventually the Hamas will run out of weapons what will they do at that point eventually the Israelis will find all the hundreds of entrances and exits to the various tunnels that have been built with foreign aid assistance foreign material that has been stolen by Hamas from the people of Gaza but that will take time but at the end of the day Hamas, after what it did on 10-7 what it's doing right now with the hostages Hamas cannot have any military capabilities whatsoever I think Israelis understand that pretty widely I think I would hope people in the US and Europe understand that as well it's certainly the case I want to make Yes, Dr. Schwarz, back to you we've heard that Clifford May representing, advocating Israel's case better than any of our leaders I think but is it that easy I mean you see the circumstances on the ground you see the humanitarian problem which is growing bigger you see the Arab pressure which is growing bigger and obviously you see the Western pressure which is growing bigger and on the contrary you have the domestic arena which supports that war maybe 100% because of the refugee of the hostage problem because of the practical problem of if Hamas stays there we've done nothing so how do you balance between all those pressures and at the end of the day come up with the upper hand I think the most important factor here would be leadership I mean if the Israeli leadership decides to stick to what we've been hearing for two months that the target of this operation is first of all to wipe out Hamas or take out their capabilities military and governmental capabilities and freeing the hostages then Israeli leadership should stick to these targets and I think that if Israeli leadership would show strength most domestically that could be possible but I would like to point out another problem which I see further down the road and that is for the day after as we speak about that is that there's some kind of a superficial and even artificial differentiation between Gaza and Hamas there's this notion that once we take out Hamas then everything would be okay I don't think so I think that Hamas is very well embedded in the Palestinian population of Gaza we can remember that they were elected and we know that even today if we do elections in the West Bank which hasn't suffered the same as the population of Gaza then Hamas would probably win so our problem is much bigger than the problem of Hamas our problem is with the people of Gaza and actually with the entire Palestinian population which is still holding a rejectionist view towards the State of Israel still rejects the notion of the existence of the State of Israel and therefore I think that when people talk about the day after they have to talk about deradicalizing the entire population I think that the examples given in the World War II what happened with the Nazi Germany after the war or perhaps with Japan I think a complete reorientation of this population of this society has to be done if we really want that 7th of October will not repeat itself and it's much more than just wiping out Hamas in terms of military and governmental capabilities will have to be and I think this should be a worldwide campaign Israel would not be able to do that alone we need the United States we need Arab moderate states we need the European Union to really reconfigure the Palestinian society to be able to live side by side with the State of Israel next to Israel and not instead of the State of Israel so I think actually that the day after is a bigger challenge than the military challenge that we are facing right now Yes, Dr. Schwarz, I want to tackle with you another point which is the UNRA point that UN infrastructure which I was founded to deal with the refugees but now we are facing 5th, 7th, 8th generation of refugees many of them are not refugees anymore and this organization has long been kidnapped by Hamas, used by Hamas on its money and infrastructure and everything for Hamas' needs Is there a place in Gaza for UNRA in the future after that war and if not as you've been speaking beforehand quite often who will come and do that job? You're absolutely right I think that in the history of the last 75 years there hasn't been a more catastrophic organization or a phenomenon which is worse than UNRA UNRA has perpetuated the Palestinian refugee problem without UNRA I think that already in the 50s we would not have refugees they should not have been considered refugees from the first place but that's beside the point and to your question I definitely think that Israel should say that the day after does not include UNRA Now to your question how can we do it so if the United States or the European Union or Japan or whomever wants to help in the reconstruction of Gaza then they can do it like they do in many other places for example the United States has USA which is the development and aid agency and there's no need for the problem with UNRA is the political aspect and that they're giving out refugee cards for example if there's an earthquake in Haiti or in Turkey many countries in the world simply send help they don't designate half the population of Turkey as refugees well this what happened in Gaza right now 75% of the population of Gaza are considered by the United Nations refugees this means that 75% of the population of Gaza consider themselves to be coming from somewhere else where is that somewhere else we don't know it's Ashkelon, it's Mosheba and they continue to dream about how they return to this place this of course is detrimental to the relationship with Israel it's contradictory to the idea of ever reaching peaceful resolution of the conflict so what I'm saying is that in the day after everybody wants to help either you create a new agency or you simply work with the USA and other agencies which by the way operate in the Gaza Strip so you don't have to do something very special they already operate in the Gaza Strip Clifford may I want to sum up with you I want to ask you how deep the US is ready to be involved because you know usually we've seen the Americans in the last couple of decades getting involved in Iraq and getting involved in Afghanistan and then trying to leave so can Israel build not on a militarily involvement in Gaza but on a practical involvement which will assist us and others to change the situation I don't think either Americans or Israelis should have a primary role in the reconstruction of Gaza and attempts to change the ideology or theology that prevails in Gaza I think that's a responsibility for the pragmatic Arab countries to undertake with whatever support America and Israel can give them whoever leads in Gaza can believe whatever they want but what they have to understand is that peaceful coexistence they don't have to believe in peaceful coexistence they have to understand that there is no good alternative to peaceful coexistence because if there is not peaceful coexistence there will be hostilities and those hostilities will cause great additional suffering to the people of Gaza and anybody who is in control of Gaza should not want that anybody who is trying to build buildings back to get kids back into school I think UNRWA has been a very damaging influence I think the UN in general has been a damaging influence so all of this needs to be rethought the US can be helpful there the US provides about 25% probably more of the funds that support the UN things will need to change if we're going to... if the Gaza is going to be built back better and if it's cities and if Gaza is not going to be rubbled again and that is the choice of the people of Gaza elections are probably a long way off there haven't been elections for a long while in Gaza I want to thank you for that I want to thank you as well a quick break for commercials and when we return the men in the tank will prevail we'll speak about the role of the armored corpse in Gaza when we return don't go anywhere Israel is in a state of war families completely done down in their beds we have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front lines but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well 24 Israel bajo ataque 24 en español trae el análisis y la información de los acontecimientos de la guerra espadas de hierro entrevistas exclusivas reportes desde la zona de guerra la reacción de los países hispanoparlantes 24 el único medio en español que te mantiene informado y conectado con la comunidad latina en Israel 24 únicamente en I-24 News y en el que sus soldados en el campo pueden ser mejorados cuando el combate es renovado es la hora fina del coro de la guerra las personas israelíes vean la guerra en el coro de la guerra el avance en Gaza y mucho de la trabajo ahí está siendo realizado por el coro de la guerra a pesar de las prevenciones de escalación en Gaza donde las fuerzas armadas fueron más disparadas la armada israelí ha señalado un gran rol en la guerra realizing that relying solely on air support is not sufficient the high-ranking officer of the armored vehicles lists what he considers the war's achievements so far the elimination of Hamas terrorists in battle and the destruction of terror and weapon facilities in the heart of Gaza city everything we see in Hamas videos about the destruction of tanks is inaccurate and distorts the truth I'm not saying that they don't fire or hit the tanks but they hit certain parts of the tanks that we can allow them to hit our tanks have been fortified and since the beginning of the fighting not a single tank has been destroyed tanks have taken damage but all of them were serviceable not a single tank has been destroyed no, I tell you again there must be a distinction between damage to the tank and destruction of the tank they claim they destroy tanks but I tell you there is not a single tank that was damaged and did not return to service within a few hours and was soon back in combat the Israeli army attributes the relatively small losses to advanced technology the 360 range of vision made possible by the new smart helmets in the tanks and to the system that destroys anti-tank missiles before they hit the target but it also attributes it to infantry raids prior to armored forces arrival eliminated Hamas anti-armor units a conversation with brigade and battalion commanders conducted by Hisham Ibrahim who participated in the invasion of Lebanon in 2006 did not leave the generational gap in Israeli society unmentioned maybe we should be satisfied with this generation we doubted their abilities a little we described them as the screen generation and said they couldn't take it listen, they fight like heroes they lived up to the expectations and were victorious in every situation they were put in Israel has already plans to flood Hamas' system of tunnels under the Gaza Strip with water pumped from the Mediterranean Sea the Wall Street Journal reports citing US officials the report says the IDF set up last month 5 large water pumps near the Shatik camp in the Gaza City which are capable of flooding the subterrain network within weeks by pumping thousands of cubic meters of water per hour into the tunnels while Israel alerted the US about the plan last month but has not yet decided on when whether to implement it Middle East correspondent Ariel Osaran has more an unusual plan to tackle a serious threat the Wall Street Journal reported late Monday that Israel finished assembling a system of large pumps to flood Hamas' vast underground tunnel network with sea water according to the report the IDF set up 5 large water pumps near the Shatik camp in northern Gaza capable of flooding the terror tunnels under the Strip when we talk about the tunnel system we have to understand that there are two aspects to it there is the vertical aspect which is the shaft of which there are hundreds and hundreds 800 have already been found 500 have been destroyed and they present a tactical threat to any Israeli forces operating in Gaza but there is the other aspect of it and that is the 500 kilometers of underground tunnels I call that the horizontal part of it which not only are networks but connect the cities to each other the goal of the weeks long process would be to gradually flush out Hamas' terrorists and potentially hostages from the tunnels with the aim to render them unusable it's one of many methods to destroy the tunnels and it's a great important to the Israeli military to destroy the tunnels because this is the way that the Hamas is trying to to survive this war and after of course to claim that is the victorious in other words the destruction caused by the IDF above ground would force the international community to impose a ceasefire with Hamas protected from Israeli strikes Israel reportedly informed the US of the option early last month prompting a discussion in Washington sobre los costos y beneficios hay dos que una es para seguro y la otra es que no sabemos la otra para seguro es dañar el aquifer en Gaza en other words hay una cuestión environmental que debe venir a jugar pero incluso dejando eso la subterránea de Gaza es el sand lo que estás mostrando en la pantalla ahora el sand absorbe agua y no es claro si estos tonos actualmente flotan incluso con gran cantidad de agua se puede poner un poco de agua en la tierra pero si se flotan hasta el punto en el que no pueden ser usados es una pregunta abierta la idea de flotar tonos en Gaza no es nueva en 2015 egipto flotan cientos de tonos entre Gaza y Sinai Peninsula y por Islamas el egipto destruyó todo en 20 días el flotamiento de los tonos ha causado más daño que 50 días de los estrellos israelíos todos los tonos han desaparecido mientras algunos de los cientos de tonos han survivido el flotamiento el beneficio de esta estrategia se parece claro ahora la pregunta es si la información se ha intentado solo flotar o si es de hecho Israel en su campaña para abrotarnos desde debajo de la tierra y ahora me gustaría bienvenido al señor General Gershon formador y comandante de la 7ª Armored División y el Major Doron Spilman Spokesman de IDF de la Media Internacional gracias por acompañarnos Gershon, voy a comenzar con vosotros vemos la performances de la Armored Corp después una gran disputación dentro del público israelí si son capaces de hacer así o si son capaces de hacer así y lo escuché se operan muy impresivamente pero personalmente como experto ¿Estás sorprendido? No, no estoy sorprendido y estoy confundiendo la necesidad de armar unidades solo por lo que podemos aprender de la lección en la Ucrania en el principio en la Ucrania un montón de thanks just burned in the way to give it brought a lot of experts to say this is the end of thanks in the history of warfare but as long as the war just continued in the effort of the Ukrainian to go to an offensive counter offensive in the last summer they found the necessity of armor units with leopard tanks it means that war could be managed by fire against fire in that occasion tanks are not really necessary but at the moment one military side trying to transform to offensive to change the situation to get momentum we cannot do that without armor and it happened to be confirmed again in Gaza no way to do that war in Gaza without armor units and furthermore you say we cannot operate over there without armor units but we've seen several hits in tanks in other vehicles in such a heat you know claims quite a large amount of casualties so balancing between the two is quite complicated yes in a way we can just say that nothing is really an absolute promise for protection even in 67 victory we lost a lot of armor crew I myself joined the armor after the 73 war in the war itself I was infantry but due to a lot of casualties among the crews of armor they called a lot of infantry to join the armor and the victory in 73 was not really achieved without tanks and the dedication of armor crews to go ahead much more than that we are just learning what happened in 73 war we are taking the patrol brigade in what was called the Chinese farm they engaged in a very intensive battle for two days and that was in a way the main contribution of them armor units participated in the war from the beginning in more than 21 days without any break this could be done only by armor units so from time to time we are suffering loads of people of soldiers but we must compare it to other wars for example the Ukrainian in one day in the last summer they lost 40 tanks 40 tanks in an offensive and hundreds of soldiers were in a different situation Major Spilman thanks again for joining us this evening looking at the operation Israel has operated in the past few weeks in the northern part of the Gaza Strip and currently in the southern part aiming at achieving what exactly really the same angel that we set out to from the very beginning which began on October 7th when Hamas attacked Israel many of those Hamas terrorists came from Chanyunis which is one of the major terror strongholds in the southern Gaza Strip they attacked the border communities they were one of the key Nukpa forces that wreaked such havoc and annihilation of our people and then they retreated back into Chanyunis where there is a prebuilt terror infrastructure you're talking hundreds of tunnels massive weapons supplies they are dug in deep underneath the ground very embedded in the civilian population this has to be one of the most difficult urban warfare settings probably in the world but if we want to be able to eliminate Hamas and prevent October 7th from happening ever again that is where we're engaging with the terrorists and we can see today as the major general spoke about you're talking about armored corps combination with armored corps infantry and aerial support intelligence special forces and engineering corps we have these combined forces that operate as a single unit and when you put them together and they synchronize it's a very effective force at finding an enemy that also aids us in trying to be more precise thereby limiting the civilian casualties amongst the Gaza people Yes, Doron staying with you what do you answer to those who claim that Israel causes a humanitarian disaster in the southern Gaza area look the situation in Gaza in general is not a situation that any of us wanted to see none of us woke up October 6th and thought that we would be sending our sons and daughters into Gaza to fight certainly not that we would have 250 hostages in Gaza 138 including women and children and men remain in Gaza none of us woke up and had this idea but I think we can all agree that in order to prevent that from happening again we have to defeat Hamas wherever Hamas is located and the issue is of course we know our responsibility to project the Israeli people and destroy Hamas and minimize Gaza's civilian casualties the question here is what is Hamas's responsibility they are taking these Gaza people they are using them as human shields everywhere that we engage with Hamas there are civilians and therefore we have to make a decision the world has to make a decision do they want to spend their energy blaming Israel or do they want to spend their energy helping the Gaza people if they want to help the Gaza people the only way to ultimately deal with that is to put pressure on Hamas which are holding those people and pushing them in line of fire and demanding that they release those people go into open areas have a little bit of courage which they haven't shown now and fight the IDF face to face if they manage to do that the humanitarian situation in Gaza will be taken care of that won't happen unfortunately in Israel the IDF will have to fight tunnel to tunnel house to house in order to beat Hamas Major Doron Spilman reserve Major General Gershon Akoy and thank you gentlemen so much for talking to us this evening Thank you and we are just wishing to see the victory and then to to explore it and to bring lessons Gershon thank you so much once again a big part of the armored success corners from the advanced technology protecting IDF tanks in the field one key factor in this success story is the trophy active protection system developed by Raphael we spoke with one of the executives there about operational performance and the international market for this life saving system let's watch Dan Kalfus managing director Euro trophy at the advanced systems so we're seeing your systems being deployed heavily in Gaza in the current operation current war share with us some thoughts details that you get from inside yeah well you can see trophies being deployed right now in great numbers there's many platforms inside many armored vehicles both main battle tanks like the Mercava and also the Namerra APC the open terrain a very packed terrain very dangerous anti-tank ambushes and so far we've seen the system is proven itself as it has done in the past both with close range threats and with enabling actually the maneuver inside inside the strip I think this is the main thing which is important now which I would like to address now of the tanks and the APC inside the open terrain this is one of the key capabilities trophy grants you furthermore than there have been many thoughts with your system trophies coping better than expected but I won't say better than expected besides being able to protect the platforms and the troops inside of them in addition data is also protecting the mission and here the mission is to maneuver in order to deprive the enemy of its capabilities this is what exactly we are doing with trophy this is a key capability you are granting the troops in the field and you talked about RPGs and connects these are some of the threats you are handling and we are seeing these threats all around the world not just now with the IDF and we are really able to cope with that we'll touch the global markets and the global wars in a second but staying in the Gaza Strip I mean, correct me, fair and wrong but the trophy system was deployed 2009 or so and first kill was 2011 if I am not wrong but this is the first actual full condensed war whereas you see dozens, hundreds of threats simultaneous ones on all the armored corpse and there were questions whether tanks should be active in such a war, in such a place such as the Gaza Strip whereas you have so many people in such a small place that gives the answer yeah, definitely I think each operation, both here in Israel and abroad we can see tanks are being deployed they still feel a very important job or mission and they live up to it and I think trophy or active protection systems as trophies grant you these capabilities in these condensed areas I think living together with infantry main battle tanks and APCs together in such a condensed area is a challenging task for any system for any army and trophy, definitely so far we've seen well I would say performances, advertisers as said and I think the soldiers see it too you saw I think division commanders and both chief of staff saying how well protected are these platforms and how well the maneuverability is furthermore all of them enter the Gaza Strip correct in a number APC or in a Mercavatang as well as I did entering the middle of Gaza the Shafi refugee camp protected with a trophy what do you hear from the troops themselves? we won't go into details exactly about these operations but I will say that we have great numbers of successful threats interceptions so far and I think the results, the operational results we are hearing on also and we don't have the freedom of action to maneuver in that safety inside obviously it's a major point of interest not only for us in our allies but our enemies as well because killing a tank APC gives a huge win or trophy to our enemies because they are not only taking out a tank or an APC but killing a lot of soldiers at the same time do you see them busy with that busy with your system? I think the other side and the high enemies in that case looking at depriving trophy and tanks of their capabilities so far with none to minimal success on their side and I think this is something that since 2014 since the last real operation with the maneuvering forces inside the strip is the second time now we see these forces and they have learned about the system they take consideration but still we have also learned and we have improved the system since trophy was first deployed this has been improved over and over again and the IDF and as well as other customers and users around the world witnessed improvements in the system enhancements in the system to cope with new threats for any of our viewers who is not familiar with the trophy system which is largely exposed within the last decade stress and details regarding the system yeah so trophy is what is called an active protection system it intercepts in a standoff distance RPGs, ATGMs like cornet for example that we have talked about and these kind of threats when you take them out in a standoff distance and not on the platform which was usually done before the invention of APS that allows to minimize the damage to the platform and to the troops and actually protect them that is done in a quite sophisticated way we cannot share all the details along with protecting the troops also allows you to pinpoint the shooter of the ATGM or RPG and actually eliminate them actually create targets on the go and that is a great combination both of protection and being able to attack back and destroy the enemy which we mainly seen on an older front with Hezbollah using the cornet rockets for a much larger range and the ability to give the idea of the Israeli army their ability to kill our enemies that happens in all terrain I would say and the capability has been proven so far in the past and also in this operation right now in both fronts and that is a standard of our system that is one of the key capabilities of our system and we introduce that with any new platform that is getting trophy there is a key capability we stress our customers and our users to use and it's proven you see how well it works So beforehand we've touched our enemies let's speak about our allies you've sold your system to the Americans, to the Germans to the Brits to the major tank suppliers manufacturers in the world most of them didn't practically deployed in a war so they're looking at us saying okay what do you learn, what do you know So I think first they see, everybody see the current operation, the use of trophy also I think the lack of APS and the lack of trophy in the Ukraine-Russia war also gives you an example what happens if you maneuver without an APS without mature APS such as trophy and our allies the Brits, the Germans and others see their main battle tanks the Leopard and the Challenger being deployed in Ukraine against Russian threats which are similar as we see in this arena in Israel and being destroyed firstly, again, being destroyed destroying the platform destroying the troops inside but also depriving Ukraine from maneuvering and this is something that our allies look closely on and we try and share the messages and lessons learned we are still in the midst of the operation so it's hard to see lessons learned in this timing but we are learning on the go we are in a war in Israel so obviously your supply chain is packed with demands from the IDF because most of the systems are heavily deployed in Gaza and you need more and more ammunition to come on how do you keep on supplying our allies, your customers overseas two years ago we have established your trophies a joint venture company in Germany in Europe and we have established production lines other maintenance services and so on to help that security of supply security of supply of active protection systems as well as any important military equipment is key on winning any war and we see that now in Europe that's one of the I think great aspects of having trophy in Europe and this is why we have established your trophy then, thanks a lot more to come in just a minute don't go anywhere Israel is at war make an investment in Israel bonds it is the most powerful and direct way to stand with Israel visit israelbonds.com and invest now made for me a unique concept in Israel custom made men's fashion to your measurements made for me made for me made for me official dresser of i24 news good evening ladies and gentlemen each of war families completely done down in their beds we have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front line but the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well we are watching strictly security live thank you for staying with us y don't forget to go to the field and to our correspondent gas rail in the southern city of Ashdod give us the update please so it has been a quiet several past hours here in the south of Israel it's been five hours now since the last rocket fire from Gaza into Israeli territory of course as the idea continues it's operation across the Gaza Strip we are attempting to take over Hamas in the Sajayia neighborhood of the outskirts of Gaza but also in Jebalda and more importantly surrounding the city of Chanyunis in the south obviously a major stronghold of Hamas on the way to eliminate Hamas's military capabilities in the Gaza Strip one of the main goals of this war is to see rocket fire towards many areas in Israel including Bershiba and Tel Aviv and in Ashkelon not too far from here a direct hit into a home where a mother and her two children were able to escape just seconds before the rocket hit their living room now Israeli defense minister Yav Galant was asked this evening about the legitimacy of Israel to continue with the war his answer is legitimacy not to continue this operation obviously the goal to return safety, sense of security for Israeli residents on the southern border thanks guy tensions rising there let's see as Yemen's Houthi rebels target commercial ships claimed to have ties to Israel denying the allegations Israel accuses Houthis de asociación regional de Pentagon reports multiple attacks on vessels from 14 countries highlighting the broader implications as the US considers responses concerns mount over escalating maritime unrest of Yemen coasts threatening vital trade routes Yemen's Houthis are escalating attacks on commercial ships raising concern for the safety of key trade routes the naval forces of the Yemeni armed forces with the help of Allah Almighty carried out this morning a targeting operation against two Israeli ships in the Bab el Mandib Strait the targeted ships were the unity explorer and ship number 9 the first ship was targeted with a naval missile and the second ship was targeted with a naval drone the running back militia said attacks like those on sunday would continue until Israel ends its strikes on Gaza but the IDF denied the ships had any connection to Israel and accused the Houthis of endangering the freedom of navigation in the region one of the ships was damaged in a very serious way and it seems that it could be in danger of sinking and other one was lightly damaged this is an event stemming from negative sabotage of the Houthis we need to see how the world will answer this issue the Pentagon said a total of three commercial vessels connected to 14 separate countries were attacked in four incidents in the southern red sea from Houthi controlled areas in Yemen the Bahamas flagged unity explorer bulk carrier was attacked in the morning and then again in the afternoon by anti ship missiles then the Panamanian flagged number 9 reported damage but no casualties caused by a missile from Yemen a third ship the sofi 2 which also sails under Panaman's flag said it was struck as well but suffered no significant harm a US warship operating in the area assisted the commercial vessels by shooting down three drones while the Pentagon accused Iran of enabling the Houthis attacks this is also one of those allegations aimed at projections which are made in line with efforts to deviate public opinion of nations and to cover up crimes by the Zionist regime the US says it will consider all appropriate responses in full coordination with its international partners but in the absence of significant action such attacks off the coast of Yemen will only increase in frequency and severity soldiers, policemen and plane civilians took up arms and went out to defend their communities on October 7th knowing that they are the last line of defense for their families and friends our next story tells the story of Yossi Tahao an accomplished fighter in the IDF and in Israel's internal security service who lost his life fighting to defends his community here is his story I miss him so much my heart is dead I miss him so much my heart is dead I miss him so much my heart is dead me wants to say think about it why could not he be more careful how ? how could they not save him? stay strong like you are you cheer me up all the time it's true Yossi fue llevada a mí. En realidad, yo fui ahí con el sentimiento que esto no hubiera sucedido conmigo. ¿Por qué? ¿Por qué es parte de eso? Yossi, el Señor de Dios protege a él. Pero nadie defendió a él. Hasta el 7 de octubre, Mazal y Elitar no sabían nada de ellos. No lo parecen, ni los reales nombres. Estos son los amigos de su hijo, Yossi, que quedó en el grado. Nunca los conocí, nunca los he visto. Y me dice a mí mismo, ¿qué es su suerte que Yossi nunca vio a casa con ellos para el dinner? Ahora cuando vienen aquí, me dieron un poco de fuerza, pero me perdí a Yossi mucho. Hemos hablado en el mes de la mañana. ¿Pero ahora es el momento de mostrar lo que escribimos? Ya, ya. Es la semana de la semana. Tú lo escribiste, no puedo. Yo. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Aba. Y estos son los equipos más valientes del feminismo TT Times y especiales en el servicio de la inteligencia. Yo, es decir, les he estado lighthouseando con sauce dużo a details. judge, Kelly. a él en segundos, a todos los niveles, desde el simple soldado llegando a la unidad el día antes, a la chief de staff IDF, él sabía cómo conectarse con las personas. Juste como eso, él le dio mucho a él mismo. Él hubiera conocido a alguien y dos días después se convirtió en barbeque diner. No podemos usar nuestros ranks, no podemos tratar a las personas basadas en su posición. Las personas nos seguimos por la leadership, por la personalidad de alguien que lleve la unidad, y Yossi fue todo lo más grande, él sabía cómo hablar con las personas y tocar sus corazones. No podemos mostrar a Yossi su foto y su espacio probablemente no será conocido al público. Nuestro idioma es proteger y no ser visto. En 99% de casos, nosotros somos los que sorprendemos al enemigo, somos los iniciatores, los que directa la situación. En octubre 7, nos sorprendimos por la intensidad del ataque, la forma que fue hecho, los números, y eso fue lo que nos dio en gran dificultad en las primeras horas del ataque. En muchas formas, Yossi es como Emmanuel Moreno, el jugador heroico de la comando de los especiales famosos, Sairad Maktal, pero en los ranks de Shin Bet, los tales de su bravo y todo lo que hicieron en octubre 7, quedaron secreto, excepto por lo que las censuras nos permitieron revelar. Fue a las 6 de la mañana del 7 de octubre, recibí el primer teléfono de Yossi, y me dijo, no lo creerás, hay algo malo aquí. Él me hablaba de mí de su teléfono, y me dijo que me llamarán cuando está en la calle, para decidir lo que vamos a hacer. En el sur de los bravos, creímos que uno de nuestros jugadores fue atrasado, y Yossi, con otro equipo de jugadores, responde a la derrota contra el terrorista, bajo un fuego grave. Él estaba en un área que no lo sabía, y no podíamos yeti entender la escala y la complexidad de la atracción y el número de los terroristas. Él fue capaz de llegar a nuestro jugador de jugadores después de un minuto, y Yossi actualmente salvó su vida. En el sur, el jugador violento estaba en lugar a todos lados, y Yossi realiza que la evacuación está bien manejada, está en control. Él analiza la situación perfectamente, y dice a él mismo que él es la fuerza que se despliega a la cibu de Mefalcim, y ha decidido que le apoye a los jugadores en el área. Yossi es un jugador de experiencia, con un montón de horas de combate y de su baut. Él viene de Shate Shaloshesre, los Commandos Marinos. Yossi no estaba a nivel diferente de los demás de nosotros. Él ha oftento enfrentado a los terroristas, participado en muchas operaciones contra ellos, y tenía mucha experiencia. Prueba en el combate, y fue capaz de llegar a la caída de uno de los radios tácticos de los terroristas. Al primero, él escuchó lo que se estaba diciendo, intentando figurear de dónde los terroristas son. Ellos mataron a dos terroristas en un van. Ellos vieron otro grupo de 10 terroristas en la calle. Él murió a un área abierto, y los terroristas estaban hiding detrás de una escena concreta, la entrada de las cibuzas. A este punto, él había sido golpeado, y eso es donde murió. Yo he escuchado en el radio que Yossi fue arrojado, y el siguiente calle que me dio, no era de Yossi, pero era de nuestra medicina. Él vio aquí. Él me dijo, ¡Man, no puedo seguir combatiendo para salvar a Yossi! ¡Es todo! Y sé que los dos son muy bien. Y sé que el compromiso que tenemos contra el otro aquí. Y eso es lo que me dio. Y eso es lo que me dio. Y eso es lo que me dio. Y eso es lo que tenemos contra el otro aquí. Pero cuando él me dijo que lo hiciera todo pero no podía salvar a Yossi, y eso fue el final, me dijeron que estamos tratando de una situación totalmente diferente aquí. ¿Ellos sufrieron? No. ¿No sufrieron? No, no sufrieron. Los primeros días después de Yossi murió, no quería irme con él. Yo intenté mantenerlo, no pensé en eso. Yo intenté arruinarlo. A veces me arruiné en la noche diciendo a mí, ¡No puede ser! No puede ser cierto. Pero después de cuatro días, me paré en el lado de la rueda y dije, ¡No puedo ponerlo en el lado de la rueda! ¡Justo como eso! Quiero un momento para procesar. Y me dijeron en WhatsApp y escuché algunos de los mensajes que me enviaron. Y el último fue una canción. Y esta canción me disparó a la mitad de mi corazón. Y me paré. Esta represión desapareció todo de repente. Emotiones se puso. Me arruinó, porque escuché a Yossi en su propia voz cantando una canción que es casi como una profecía. Yossi era el hijo de cada parente aquí en Israel. Él defendió a ellos todos. Todos ellos. Él protegió el estado de Israel. Él incluso nos dijo una vez, ¡Si no me! Entonces, ¿cuál sería el trabajo? Él no es aquí, es solo el cuerpo. La materia physical es aquí. La materialidad. Yo respeto el semitario en el barrio que es importante en el judío en nuestra heredad. Pero para mí, esto es solo una estona. Como dices, no es él. Es una estona. Creo que si hay, como dicen, un mundo más allá de este. Yo estoy seguro de que él está arriba de ellos. Y yo estoy seguro de que él está arriba de ellos. Y yo estoy seguro de que él está arriba de ellos. Yo no tengo duda. Grief fue atrapado en L.E. 3 veces en su vida. Su hermano, Lieutenant Colonel Yossi Tahar, un señor oficial en el Brigade de Paratroopers, fue atrapado en julio de 1981, combatiendo en Lebanon. Era una gran crisis en mi vida, una crisis muy, muy difícil. He atrapado esto por mucho tiempo. 20 años después, cuando Rui was atrapado, entonces me preguntaron, me decían, te must be used to it. Pero me dijeron que eso no era el caso. Ahora entiendo lo que mis padres dieron. Rui, el hijo de L.E., el combate en el Brigade de Paratroopers, fue atrapado en un accidente de motocicleta en octubre de 2001. Cuando Rui murió, una parte de mí murió. No se atrapó. Era solo que una parte de mí, fue atrapada. L.E. fue seguro de que él había already atrapado el último precio, y que Yossi, despite serving as a fighter who in the navy commando and later in the shin bed, would not be harmed. That's what almost everyone thought, those who knew Yossi. At one point I said, that's it. I have the impression that that's it. He's safe there, with this protective layer around him. I thought he was safe. Yossi had something immortal about him. In the eulogy his commander said that when Yossi would stare death in the eyes, death would back down. Many Israelis owe their life to Yossi and they don't even know it. Beyond the fact that October 7th, his actions stopped terrorists from entering in the kibbutz of Mephalsim. He is responsible for hundreds of foiled attacks over the years, in service and only a handful of which we were allowed to mention. Nothing could have prepared Yemri Bonim, a member of Kibbutz Reim Security Squad for the Black Saturday, which changed his life and the lives of Kibbutz Reim civilians forever. For long hours, Yemri and five other Security Squad members fought bravely, accompanied by a couple of policemen only, preventing dozens of Hamas terrorists from committing a complete massacre. Now Yemri returns to the kibbutz and walks us through every step and decision he made that day to ensure his loved ones may remain safe. Gili Elad brings us his story. At 6.30, we woke up to explosions from another world. Only this time, 20 minutes later, we heard small arms fire coming from very close. And that's something we're not used to. I started organizing my equipment and I received the following voice message on the Kibbutz Security Squad and WhatsApp group. Here on this road, we see vans loaded with equipment and RPG with a machine gun on top ready to kill anyone. Terrible caos y, above all, the realization that we are alone. That it's just me and my friend Tuvia who need to stop all them from entering the kibbutz and committing a complete massacre here. We began to move forward through the animal grove towards the community centers where our first through sixth grade kids are educated. We heard them come in, knock down the door. We knew the first thing they'll see is miniature Sukkot and other artworks that were made by our children. We knew they were going to go room to room not to find any children but to destroy all the childhood things belonging to the people from the kibbutz. For around two hours we were fighting this squad. We shot at them from the outside so they would be afraid on their way out so they would believe there are many more forces around them that they can't even see. At 9.17, Oran sent this voice message. As soon as we heard this we left the neighborhood and ran to another one. There was a caracal vehicle outside the fence which opened fire on the terrorists. Here there's a descent into a parking lot. We hid and we shot the terrorists from behind. At this point we begin to see large fires inside the kibbutz. It's clear to us that something bad was happening on the other side of the kibbutz. So we ran to a house at the end of the kibbutz. In this safe room there was a family and the door was already starting to melt. They were suffocating but with a final effort they managed to lift their girl who was in a wheelchair. We got her out, us and the policemen while the two parents with great courage came out as well. After the first family was rescued we arrived here. We knocked and told them they could get out. When the mother came out and I wanted to tell her all animals from the kibbutz's animal corner were fine because I knew how important that was to her. She immediately asked if we knew what was going on with Asaf, her son who had been out of touch. I had a very bad feeling about that. Asaf wasn't with them at the time. In the kibbutz it's common that at the age of 18 you get your own small apartment. Everything that happened had been happening in the young person's neighborhood of the kibbutz because that neighborhood is the one closest to the main gate from where most and the best equipped terrorists had arrived. They planned to conquer Reim and stay here to enter the houses. The fighting in this neighborhood was led mainly in IDF forces that came after her out. The kibbutz's security chief managed to stand on the sidewalk making sure that the terrorists did not reach the kibbutz. He stopped them in this neighborhood. This was the point when my role as the kibbutz's protector ended and then I started helping the IDF forces find their way through the neighborhoods. We went to pick up another security squad member. On the way some safe room window was opened and someone who didn't live there came out. He told us that the father of the two children who were in a safe room the father and his girlfriend were murdered in front of the children's eyes. Then he showed us what the terrorists wrote on the wall we do not kill children. I stand there and I look around right next to all of that there was a children's gate with lots of bullets in it and the father's hammock and it was clear to me that in other places things were even worse. But not everyone had two minutes to get organized and make decisions like the ones we made by the very heroic people out here. It was an understanding that we are the last line of defense to the people who chose to live here. Who chose to plant a tree here to join the beautiful culture of this place and we must do our best to protect that. And before we saw up we go back to the north of Israel and to use a condors with the update. Well it was a day that saw a continued rocket strikes heavy rocket launches from Hezbollah one of those falling over Kiryat and Shermona we were able to see some of the damage and it was light and fell bits of the rocket fell in the middle of the road the road was already able to be repaired the hole that was made by the impact and many of the people the residents of the neighborhood in this area have been evacuated or are staying elsewhere in Israel so it was a success in averting any sort of catastrophe or loss of life the IDF says that's why these evacuation orders are in places because this threat continues with these launches today the IDF says no recorded injuries unlike two days ago when we saw as many as 12 injured in separate strikes and those injuries were minors so it continues to be the question here as to how long this conflict continues to be a rolling boil where Hezbollah forces a strike from a distance use the mountainous terrain to their advantage and then retreat farther into southern Lebanon to try and escape the retaliatory IDF strikes the IDF says today once again they were striking those positions with artillery and with airstrikes attempting to eliminate the points of origin from where Hezbollah was launching earlier today and Zach we have half a minute so we will use it to ask you do we see civilians coming back to their homes or the area is still empty it's largely empty and you can tell by the stores that are closed up as well there are people though that want to return we've seen in the last week that residents of this community here urging the cabinet to give them some sort of guidance as to when they can return o for more support because many of the evacuees don't have a solid timeline for when they or a solid amount of financial support for funding these long hotel stays Yes, Candes in the north of Israel thank you so much for this late report or thank you so much keep safe and that's all the time we have for this special edition of Strictly Security coming to you live from the Jaffa Port we'll be back