 Live from Mountain View, California, it's theCUBE. Covering DevNet Create 2019, brought to you by Cisco. Hi, welcome back to theCUBE. Lisa Martin with John Furrier. Covering, day two covering, I should say. Cisco DevNet Create 2019 at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View, California. We're pleased to welcome Perchanth Chenoy, VP of Product Marketing, Enterprise Networks and DevNet at Cisco. Perchanth, it's great to have you join John this afternoon. Great to be here. So this event is growing year after year. John and I have been talking about this very strong sense of collaboration and community with the attendees that are here in person. One of the big things yesterday was that Susie was talking about was this what's coming in Wi-Fi. Talk to us about this next gen Wi-Fi and how it's going to be so impactful to everyone. Yeah, it's a phenomenal technology inflection point this year, I feel. We can't believe it, but you know, when was the first Wi-Fi that got started? 2001. Ooh, pretty close. 1999. So this is the 20th anniversary of Wi-Fi. It's come to be life, right? So it's now in its 14th. It was up by two years. Right, so yeah. But 802.11A was the first Wi-Fi technology and the speeds were promise speeds were 54 megabits. Okay? But the real speeds were like six meg or something, right? And now, this is the sixth generation of Wi-Fi. So we've come a long way and we take it for granted in our daily lives. Absolutely we do. I don't think I can think a day without Wi-Fi. Everyone talks about Wi-Fi, the kids. What's the Wi-Fi password? I change it all the time. Kids, parents, pro-chip. Change the password. They'll call you, your kids will call you back. It says the pro-chip. But distance has been an issue. Distance and radio frequency has certain propagation techniques. So are you close to the router? That room doesn't have it. This doesn't have it. So there's always been distance. And through. Latency, throughput, capacity. Most people say who's streaming Netflix, Wi-Fi's down. So again, people know this. They experience it every day. Exactly. What's the big hubbub about Wi-Fi 6? What's different? I got a little preview from Todd. So I'll let you explain it. But what is the notable bullet points of why it's different and why it's a game changer? So it's, as with every technology, three things that it always brings up, better experiences, better capacity, increased capacity, and better battery savings. Which I think is very important for users, but more importantly, useful for IoT applications. Which is, I'm very, very excited on what it's going to unleash when it comes to IoT. It's been in the fringe side of IoT, like oil and gas, mining, utilities, is what we think when we think of IoT. And now we're going to think IoT in carpeted space, like this, right? Each one of these devices are IoT devices now. Like your HVAC systems, your lighting systems, air conditioning systems, physical surveillance cameras, everything with the Wi-Fi is IoT. And because of this increased capacity, an increased density, high density environments where this capacity becomes really critical, imagine 20 devices simultaneously using Wi-Fi to communicate high bandwidth intensive application. That's when Wi-Fi 6 becomes really critical and powerful. And that opens up a huge- So more coverage area with the antennas, the MIMO antenna, and bandwidth, right? Capacity and bandwidth, like compared to .11A, and even .11AX, right? It's up to 4x better capacity, 4x better battery savings, and the promised throughput of like six gigabits, right? But the key part here is simultaneously talking to multiple devices at the same time. And that is very, very crucial. Because of technologies, I don't want to geek out here like, oh, FDMA, and... Well, let's talk architecture, because one of the things Susie brought up was architectural shifts are going to be the big game, one of the game changes she brought up. And Wi-Fi, and I've seen it growing from the beginning, I remember when they first came out was the revelation, and near the battery powers was an issue, but it always was viewed as a peripheral to the network. You bolt on Wi-Fi, and you just basically extend your land to use network parlance. And now you're seeing people working on making it much more of core one network. And Maraki kind of shows the benefits of having wireless and wired work together as one. This seems to be the thesis behind Wi-Fi 6, one core thing, not a bolt on extension. No, absolutely. I think there's a saying, which is a reality, behind every wireless there are tons of wires, right? So, because everything gets connected to the wire infrastructure. And with Wi-Fi 6 now having increased capacity and increased density, it's causing a cascading effect into the rest of the network infrastructure. So, it becomes highly, highly crucial when you architect your network infrastructure, not just to think about wireless, but what happens to the access switch to the core, to the distribution, to the aggregation. And that has a compounding effect, like multi-gig speeds in the access to 10 gig to 40 gig in the core, going all the way to 100 gig, right? So, the whole performance and reliability to have the immersive experience that Wi-Fi 6 needs to bring in, needs to be there. So, for developers and entrepreneurs out there who always look for the white space, Cisco's a big, multi-billion dollar company. You guys got big market share. Whenever there's big moves like this, it causes a new change in the order, a pecking order of companies. It changes the landscape. This is going to be a game changer because it's going to create new opportunities to create new things. Yeah, absolutely. What are some of the things that you see out there that you can share for people watching who are, you know, hacking around, creating things who say, I want to create something big. What's the enablement? What are some of the things that you see happening that are going to be emerging out of this? Yeah, a lot of French technologies that are French right now are going to be mainstream. Like, imagine 2006 when iPhone came in, right? So, and we were just having the discussion. Like, that came in at the heels of major shift in connectivity. That's when 3G came in, right? And that provided multi-megabit capacity and you saw new applications come in. Now Uber, Lyft, all these kind of applications were possible because of the connectivity. And now Wi-Fi 6 along with 5G will unleash the next wave of applications. So, first thing is immersive applications. Things that are VR, AR. It's used for gaming right now and kids use this. You're going to see that come in hospitals where surgeons can do remote surgeries. They can have high density imagery of your brain. For example, as you're operating, being sent to a remote expert and on the fly make decisions, right? Like, that is going to be pretty normal and standard. In fact, quite a few of our customers are testing this out, right? VR learning for students, right? If I were to go, like imagine you are at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, August 1963, right? Listening to MLK, I have a dream speech. And you're in the crowd, immersed in the VR. Like, which student wouldn't have more recollection and really connect with that, right? So, and you're going to see more and more of these. So it's a better way of learning and really getting that learning sticking in your brain. You're going to see more of that happening. And the same goes with retail experience. Your shopping is going to completely change the way because of all these immersive experiences. And then, because of the higher density, you're going to see entertainment venues like stadiums where everybody now wants to share their experience to the outside world and live stream it, right? And I was talking to a carnival cruise line who's one of our customers and they call themselves City on the Sea. Which means that cruise ship is nothing but it has entertainment, casinos, hotels. Lots of food. Lots of food, swimming pools, concerts happening. And when people took vacation, they just wanted to disconnect from everything in the world, right? Now it's completely the reverse. They want to connect full on and share their experience in the land, right? And they want to stream it live, 4K. And these cruise ships are transforming themselves and they're probably always on fully on immersive digital experience. And they've created things like a mobile app to order pizza no matter where you are on the ship. Within five minutes, they're going to find the exact location of where you are on the ship and deliver pizza to you. But these kind of experiences- And you know the perfect storm in all this too is that the cloud earnings are coming out. We saw Microsoft's earnings yesterday. Amazon Web Services earnings are part of Amazon today. The cloud stocks are up. The clouds are growing at massive scale. They're a power source for these application developers. Yeah. As well as the on-premise business. So you now have the perfect developer environment. 100%. To create these new wacky ideas that will be standard. I mean, what was once, what we take as standard, as you mentioned, was a wacky idea in 2006. Location services, checking into a hotel with my phone and having cars being delivered to me. What? Who does that? This becomes a reality. And cloud really increased the pace of innovation, right? Now it's kind of cheaper. You don't need to get your own server. You can kind of swipe your credit card, get a bunch of VMs, start building applications. And now you have the required bandwidth capacity and density in your infrastructure. And you have the right devices right now to bring that experiences to you, right? So now it's this trifecta of things. Awesome devices, the network ready to deliver those experiences. And cloud being able to scale out to build those experiences. Sean, I know you've got a big announcement coming up on the 29th. It's a virtual event. I think Cisco.com, they can probably find out where the URL, where the event is. Without revealing all the secret sauce, I know you guys had Wi-Fi 6 inside Cisco. Testing it, I've heard people in the hallway here talking about it. They're pretty animated in their commentary. Can you share the vibe and what's it like when the engineers look at the data and they say, we just deployed the Wi-Fi 6. What were the reactions? Were they blown away? Were they, was it mediocre? Was it, what were some of the things that they were saying? What was the feedback? We were piloting that and the best way to look at it is if you go to the wireless dev center on DevNet, you're going to see that we compared a 4K video running with Wi-Fi 6 and without Wi-Fi 6. I think the results speak for themselves. Like the kind of experience that you're going to see is going to be beautiful. And when employees look at those things, and I talked about a few experiences last week we had a thing called Cisco Beat, which is internal employees that we rally around and talk about technology, but more importantly, what it means to us as human beings in a personal way and what it means to our customers. And they were blown away with some of the applications that are going to be mainstream in all of the industries that I talked about, right? Like healthcare, hospitality, education, entertainment, venues, et cetera. What's the low-hanging fruit use cases? What's the things that are going to be right obvious, right out of the gate for companies to implement in terms of deploying Wi-Fi 6 and seeing immediate benefit? Immediate benefit is hide into the environment, period. Like student lecture halls, convention centers, areas like this where everybody wants to understand what's going on, but be digitally and visually connected, right? It's not only about email checking anymore. That happens automatically. But if you're here, you want to watch Suzy's keynote live stream right now with high density and 20 other people want to watch with you on their devices, it's possible, without a hitch. So that seamless, always on experience becomes a reality that people can easily test out in small environments, right? Not in their entire environment, where there are high density of people accessing multimedia applications or high bandwidth applications. So I feel that's a low-hanging fruit. And then it's going to go more and more towards IoT applications where sensors are getting connected, like some of our customers or brewers have hundreds and thousands of sensors in their farms, in brewing machines, and they want all of the data to come and look at that simultaneously for quality control, right? Beer, no matter where it's made, should taste consistent, right? So you can see that coming to life because now all of these can be connected and because of better density, better capacity, and better battery savings for these IoT devices that Wi-Fi 6 provides, you make these applications possible. So you're going to see very vertical-specific applications coming more and more with Wi-Fi 6. Vertical-specific, because you've mentioned a number of different customer examples ranging from retailer to carnival cruise line. It's now this connected city. Are there any verticals you see where when you're talking with customers, they're not quite there yet? Yeah, that's an interesting thing, it's for exchange. You always have these early adopters, but there's a lot of laggers who are just watching, waiting on the sideline and say, that's not for me. With Wi-Fi 6, there's been a lot of industry excitement, I would say, like manufacturing full-on, right? Coming on board. Retail, retail, higher education are always in the early adopter phase because for them, and there's been studies shown to say, this directly impacts their brand. Like customer experience defines brand. And Wi-Fi equals customer experience, these days. So you're going to see all of these industries really. I think I haven't seen much in maybe financial services if you will. I think that's the only thing that I can remember. The transportation big on, like machine-to-machine communication, autonomous driving is possible now because of 5G and Wi-Fi 6, right? And you're seeing more and more of this industry. This is right in your wheelhouse. And you guys have been pushing the edge for a long time, SD-WAN, campus networking, this is not new to Cisco. But now with Wi-Fi 6, it literally lights that up, pun intended. You can now enable those environments that be completely robust, fully addressable, data-driven. Yeah, I think data that you mentioned becomes very, very crucial in this because especially now when you have so many more users, so many more devices, so many more applications getting on the network, people are really trying to figure out, what do I do with this? How do I get visibility into, am I delivering the right experience? Am I providing the right security, et cetera, right? So data becomes extremely crucial and you'll see emergence of ML and AI technology because it's going to be humanly impossible to look at all of the data and make sense. So you got to do machines, do their job, figure out patterns around dwell time, foot traffic, predictive way of saying things may break, the experience may change and predicting that even before they happen and giving the right insight to the IT and line of business. So Wi-Fi 6 is going to open up a whole new slew of ML and AI-driven operations and management capability too. So that's really exciting. What are they going to pull the GPU on the Wi-Fi 6 devices? Oh, it's happening. It is going to happen because you can run edge computing applications right on Wi-Fi 6 devices. So you're going to see all of that. So application hosting capabilities with GPU powered applications are going to be there. Just a network connection, right? Yeah, so it's that, you are going to see that and frankly even I don't know what those sum of the edge computing applications with Wi-Fi 6 will be, but we are seeing more and more of these coming. Well we did some research at Wikibon part of SiliconANGLE's team where we prove that it's easier and more cost effective rather than moving data around, you move compute to the edge, and then you use the backhaul because it costs money to send data around the network. It's costly. Yeah, absolutely. And autonomous cars was one great example, right? Like it's a life and death situation when you're letting the car drive itself, right? So you can send all the data to the cloud and say analyze it for me. There are instantaneous decisions to be made in milli-micron nanoseconds that needs to be done on the edge. So I think autonomous cars are a great example of edge computing that needs to happen right at the edge. The learning can then start happening in the cloud, right? As in when these things get more and more smarter, you send all this data, you correlate all of the intelligence there, you send it back to the machine. So you're going to see these kind of edge computing applications. So you're excited by Wi-Fi 6? Nah. No. The Wi-Fi 6, it's an even number. Isn't this going to be odd numbers or lucky? I mean, the naming convention? No, we want it to be better than 5G. It's like 5G is fifth generation of cellular. Wi-Fi 6 is sixth generation of Wi-Fi, right? See the trump to 5G with the 6. Yeah. Kind of get ahead of it. Because it is truly the sixth generation of Wi-Fi. If we were to go back in time, we would call 802.11AC Wi-Fi 5, right? It's kind of not that easy to say, but yeah. So Wi-Fi 5 happened like three to four years back and now it's Wi-Fi 6 chance. We'll have to do a deep dive in the studio sometime on getting into all the spectrum issues, you know, the channels and the antennas and chains and all that good stuff. Yeah, there's a lot to geek out on that. Yeah, it should be fun. So you talked about kind of before we wrap up here, you talked about everything really kind of being related to our how this can help companies with brand and brand is everything to any type of company. We talk at every event we go to it's all about customer experience. Yeah. So Mike, what last question for you is, how is Wi-Fi 6 and some of these new technologies that clearly you're excited about? How do you think that's going to change the experience for your internal customers and for being able to get things out faster or to your external Cisco customers? Yeah, when you say internal, our own employees are R&D. Yes, exactly. Absolutely. So I think, and one of the examples was shown right here, right? So, and I'm connecting the two answers that you had, like there's a lot of technology details behind what we do, right? We spend tons of money doing R&D, but we want to expose that to our own customers, to our channel partners and to our developers, right? So this is something that Wi-Fi 6 brings a lot to our customers. So all the goodness, the intelligence that we have hidden in our network now gets exposed through these APIs to our developers and to our own customers. So the internal customers of ours, which are engineers, Cisco, IT, are tremendously excited to see what that unveils to us, right? And DevNet provides that platform where you can expose this through APIs, whether it's for security, whether it's for application experience, whether it's for better operations, and have new co-creation of applications that we haven't envisioned, new ways of ecosystem partners coming up and building new applications that we haven't envisioned. So for our own R&D teams, it's pretty exciting. Because- Big catalyst. Yeah, just exactly. You're just providing the platform. It's the catalyst for innovations. And that's what the internet was when we created that, right? We didn't know that internet of 20 years back is going to be the internet of today and we didn't envision that. Well, the API is going to open up your market because you're going to create an enablement to pass that forward, the opportunities to other developers to come up with the ideas. Yeah, absolutely. And that's the whole idea, is to provide them a platform to come up with innovations and ideas and help share these ideas to other folks, right? Because when the mind's melt, it gets better and better. Build some good apps, get it distributed on Wi-Fi 6, make some money, build a business, create a great app. Raise your feet. For Wi-Fi 7. It's a big inflection point. Pretty good model. It's an inflection point. It is, it is truly, I believe, an inflection point. Mainly because, frankly, Wi-Fi 6 and 5G coming together, it's truly, because me and you as a user really don't care whether I'm on Wi-Fi or cellular. And we shouldn't, right? All I expect is no matter what I do, where I go and I use my device, I should get the same consistency in less experience. It works. Well, I don't have the unlimited plans, so I'd love to have it through the Wi-Fi. Yeah. Yeah. So you got this virtual event next week on the 29th. Is that going to tip anything, any exciting things we're going to hear Cisco live? Oh, yeah. A few weeks later. Big time, big time. Any teasers you think of us? Without getting fired? Yeah, it's going to be tough. No, yeah. I think things that we talk today are what we're going to explain more and we're going to give a more flavor on what Cisco is actually doing from our product's perspective, solutions, partnership perspective, to bring it to life, right? So that's very exciting. So I highly encourage the folks that are watching this to register for this on Cisco.com, go wired for wireless event. So it's fun because we've got a lot of industry experts, customers, because that's where rubber meets the road. Absolutely. And that's where they talk good applications, how far along they are, what are they testing, what are they trying out, and then we can geek out on all the technology, right? But it's always starts with why and why does it matter? So, and that's why I'm excited. It sounds exciting. My cheeks are hurting from smiling. Perjavan, thank you so much for sharing your enthusiasm, your energy, and expertise. It's been fun. We look forward to the virtual event next week and hearing more about what's going on at Cisco Live. Thanks, Lisa. Thanks, John. Our pleasure. For John Furrier, I'm Lisa Martin. You're watching theCUBE Live from day two of our coverage of Cisco DevNet Create 2019. Thanks for watching.