 So, yeah, so let's pray and then we'll get started, right? This morning as we pray, I wanted to just ask the Lord, Lord, you speak to me specifically, push me in the direction, nudge me in the direction that you want me to take in life. The Lord has a beautiful plan purpose for each one of us and the call could be unique. I mean, call is unique and very different from the person next to you. So just go ahead and say, God, you'd nudge me in that direction, push me in that direction. And that's a perfect place to be, right? In the center of his will, to be in the right in the center of his will, it could be, for all the others, it could be, why are you doing this? But for you and your family and those connected with the vision, it is the perfect place to be, the center of God's will. So, yeah, as we pray this morning, just go ahead and just invite God to do that work, right? And just say, Lord, I surrender, let me keep aside all my prejudices, all my preconceived notions, God, and all my fears, all my anxieties, all my shortcomings. And I wanna look to you, Lord, and the vision that you have, the plan that you have for me, that you have written down for me even before I was formed in my mother's, even when you formed me in my mother's womb, you wrote down that script, you wrote down that narrative, and yes, God. Father, we thank you this morning, that we can come to your presence as we are, Lord. And Lord, we thank you that you invite us, that you welcome us, that you receive us, Lord. And so you're glad to see us, Lord. And sometimes for us, Lord, it's so difficult to see that, but Lord, with our experiences and with our filters, but Lord, this morning, we come to you as we are, and we are glad to see you as well, Lord. We are glad to just be in your presence collectively as a class. And Lord, we ask, Father God, this morning that you would stir up the call, oh God, that you would not just, for those of us who have not yet started, Lord, who are still thinking and waiting, and Lord, and asking, God, I pray that it'll be a nudge in that direction, it'll be a push in that direction. I pray, God, that I just pray for a release, God, release of, Lord, open heaven, God, even over us, Lord, that there will be a release of a multitude, a torrent of communication of words, Lord, being quickened to our hearts, Father God. And I just pray, God, that you would just pour out your spirit of Father God. And I just pray for the supernatural of Father God, the dreams and visions of Father God. There'll be a multiplication of that, Father God. And even as we are diligent to receive it, that we'll be diligent to, Lord, prepare ourselves as you move us in that direction. And I just pray that each one of us, Lord, even as you prepare us, even as you commission us, Lord, that we will step into the fullness of the call that you have for us. And even as you prepare us, that we will serve wherever we are, whatever you've entrusted in our hands, that we'll be faithful and that we will serve God. We just want to commit this time into your mighty hands, Lord, in Jesus' mattress name, we pray. Amen. Okay. Welcome to this course. This is the ministry of the evangelist and the pastor and the teacher. So you will be learning about the apostolic and the prophetic, the ministry of the apostle and the prophet in a separate course. In this course, we will look at the ministry of the evangelist, the pastor and the teacher. So if you have your notes and other notes are there in the stream, you can download that and keep it for your reference. So this course is very interesting because it deals with the call of God. It deals with the specifics of the ministry of the evangelist, pastor and teacher. While some of us may be really aware of these differences and of these different ministry offices and the ministry gifts, maybe some of us are thinking, okay, I know about the pastor, but then what about the other? So it'll be good to take a look at that. I remember traveling to the north of India and attending some meetings and so on. So everyone who stepped into ministry was called a pastor. It was, so that was something new because they were not really pastoring a congregation or otherwise maybe they had a kind of an itinerant traveling ministry. They were more of an evangelist, right? But they were called pastors for some reason. So then you realize that, okay, there are distinctions and we need to kind of understand that rather than just the, what we know as the pastoral call, okay? So we go to Ephesians chapter four and which gives us an understanding that's the best place to go with where it lists down together these ministry gifts or these ministry offices, right? And gives us some details about it, you know, why they are there, who established, who put them there, who established there and then there and what is the purpose of these ministry offices and so on. So it's good to go to that place, right? So as far as this course goes, we will have four quizzes at the end of every month to grade and then the total of these grades will go towards the final grade, okay? So we'll have four quizzes and that's it. Okay, so let's look at Ephesians four. Well, actually you can read from seven onwards but specifically from verse 11. So let me just read Ephesians four, seven onwards. But to each of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ's gift. Therefore, he says when he ascended on high, he led captivity captive and gave gifts to men. Now this he ascended, what does it mean? But that he also first descended into the lower parts of the earth. He also, he who descended is also the one who ascended far above all the heavens that he might fill all things. And so this is the portion that we are focusing on verse 11 onwards. And he himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists and some pastors and teachers. For the equipping of the saints, for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ. Till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God to a perfect man to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ that we should no longer be children tossed to and fro carried about with every wind of doctrine by the trickery of men in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting but speaking the truth in love may grow up in all things into him who is the head Christ from whom the whole body joined and knit together by what every joint supplies according to the effective working by which every part does its share causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love. Okay, so when we go to verse 11, it, this is how it starts. It starts with saying that he himself who referring to the Lord because it talks about him giving each one of us grace according to the measure of, we've been given each one, I've been given grace according to measure of Christ's gift and it says in verse 11 that he himself gave some. And that word gave in the Greek meaning that he supplied or he furnished or he appointed. So it's not just a question of gender's giving but also it's an act of serious appointment appointment and commission and bestowing. So it refers to that. So he gave some. So I want to call your attention to draw your attention to the word some also. So it's not all but it's some. So he gave some to be apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers. So let's look at each one of them just to overview and before we proceed further. So we see apostle and the word, of course, I really didn't know about this term before I started serving in church. And I remember having a conversation with someone and someone said, I have an apostolic calling and I was like, what is that? So yeah, so apostle. So the word there, I just put it on the chat is apostolos, which means a sent out one, a delegate, the one who is a messenger who sent out with specific orders, right? And it is actually a military term which Paul uses because the Romans when they conquered they would send out these apostolos or these army generals who would go and they were given specific orders to conquer the land and also change the culture, right? Now you might say, oh, that was bad. That is good, we might have debate on that but that is what they did, right? It was sent to change the culture to that of Rome. So in terms of language, culture, everything, learning they would actually bring that in to the place which they conquered. So anyway, so the apostle is a sent out one, one who goes on a mission and most often it is to places where which have not heard the gospel like talking about the church, it could be a pioneering work and many times we use the word missionary and to places where the message has not been heard where the good news has not been heard. So to go there and to carry out the work of the gospel. So these are uncharted territories. These are places where people have not gone before or it could also mean geographically, like an urban setting. It could be a group of people which have not really come, you might be in a city, you might be in a geographical location like a city where everybody that there is knowledge, there is access to information and so on but then unlocking or releasing a particular strategy and bringing about the gospel to that. So that could also be in the modern day, the ministry of the apostles, right? So apostles, then the second term that we see there is the word prophet. Now this we are familiar and we see that a prophet of one who speaks as moved by the spirit or does as moved by the spirit one who's filled and inspired by the spirit of God and he speaks forth and does as inspired as led by the spirit of God. And it's not just speaking and being led to obey the spirit of God but also announcing the moves of God to the body of Christ. A prophet would also in the communication, there would be the foretelling aspect of it or what is in the future which the Lord knows that he chooses to release to the body of Christ or release to even the nations and so on. So the prophet, right? So the third one we see is the evangelist, right? So evangelist again, one who announces or one who carries good tidings, good news, and that's the word that we see there, Eugolistus, he's a carrier of good tidings, the carrier of good news, and he brings the good news to the masses. And when we look at it in the context of the church, one who brings the gospel, one who shares the gospel, okay? So you would see that there will be an overlap between the different offices. There'll be some aspect of it which could be an overlap, right? For example, the apostle, apostle obviously is taking the message of Christ to a group, people group who have not hitherto heard and so on, and the evangelist does the same thing. So the evangelist need not necessarily go to an unreached people group, but he takes it to everyone around and that's the ministry office. Looking at the next one, which is the ministry of the pastor, the ministry gift of the pastor. So here, the word used there is the word which is used to describe a shepherd or a herdsman, one who looks after a flock, right? So the word used there, poiman or poimane means a herdsman or a shepherd and one who cares for the flock, who nurtures the flock and who is in charge of the flock and feeding the flock, protecting the flock and nurturing the flock and so on. So that's the picture we have of the ministry gift of the shepherd. And we see several references to the ministry of the shepherd in the church as well, in the scriptures and the other Old Testament as well, right? Then we come to the fifth one, which is the ministry office of the teacher. So Dadas Kalos, which means one who is fitted or equipped to teach, to teach, to take people from ignorance to light, to from immaturity to maturity, one who grounds people in knowledge and understanding and so on. So the minister of the teacher in the church is the one who teaches, excuse me, the things of God and the duties of man, the responsibilities of man, the things of God. So he's the one who teaches, he or she is the one who teaches, right? So we see that these are the five ministry gifts that are mentioned here. What is typically called the five-fold ministry. It's like five streams or five folds and these have been established in the body of Christ and by the Lord Himself. And he gives some to be this, some to be that. So we see this and so let's look at the same verse and that verse describes why these gifts or why these ministry gifts are placed in the body of Christ, the purpose of it. And that's quite an eye-opener as well. So we see that if you look at verse 11, verse 12, sorry, the first thing mentioned there is it's for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, which obviously leads to the edifying of the body of Christ. So let's just break that down and look at that. The first one, it's equipping, okay? Equipping of the saints. So that's the first one we see. So it's equipping of the saints for the work of ministry. So the word equipping meaning making fit, it carries the idea of training, carries the idea of perfecting and fully qualifying someone for a particular task. So it is this five-fold ministry primarily it's for the equipping of the saints. Now, yes, all of us are commissioned to share the gospel and that includes the five-fold ministers as well, where the commission to preach the gospel, to teach concerning all the things that Christ has taught is there as a basic given, right? But specifically here, we see that it is for the equipping of the saints. It is to qualify or train and making the fit the saints for the work of ministry. So again, I know this is a simple question that we have already addressed before. So who are the saints, right? Really, who are the saints? If you are called to equip the saints, who are the saints? Anyone? Everyone who is saved by the blood of Christ. Absolutely. Everyone who saved by the blood of Christ, Rose says, believers of Christ, right? So the word saints, Haggiozo, which means, yeah, all the believers, which means the ones who are set apart, right? One who are consecrated, the ones who are set apart by the blood of Jesus. So it is, it just describes a condition, right? If you want to call it that, it just describes something that has happened to a person because he or she came to the saving knowledge of Christ, you know, saved by the blood of Christ, washed by the blood of Christ, being justified, set apart for a purpose, okay? So the consecrated ones, the ones who are set apart are called saints, okay? So that is something which is very, very basic. Okay, so it's not a title, it's not a badge of honor given to someone who has achieved a certain level of holiness or giftedness or, you know, or climbed the hierarchy in a church. No, that word has been corrupted over the years. But when you look at scripture, when you look at the language in which it was written, it is, this is what it is, the set apart ones, the consecrated ones, the sanctified ones, okay? So all of us believers, we are the saints. So now, now it seems to me, it is making sense. Now the ministry gift, now you see the apostle, the prophet, the evangelist pastor and teacher. Now the Lord has placed them in the body of Christ, the global body of Christ or the local church to equip, to train the saints for what? For what end is the training? What is the training, you know, focusing on for the work of ministry? Okay, so again, ministry meaning to serve ministry, to carry out really the commission, the commission. So that's the, yeah, say the word saint is coined from a sanctified, yes, absolutely. So that's the thing. So the fivefold ministers and the fivefold ministry is to equip the saints for the work of ministry, right? Now, the second part of it, it says for the work of ministry, for the edifying or the building up of the body of Christ. So it's for building up, for making strong, for making firm and establishing the body of Christ. So it could be a body of believers, it could be a small fellowship, it could be the local church, it could be the church in the city, like the church of Corinth, church of Ephesus, it could be a church of the city, but the ministry exists to build the body of Christ, to edify the body of Christ, to equip the saints so that the saints would do the work of ministry effectively and to bring everyone to the place of being edified in the body of Christ. Okay, then verse 13, okay, verse 13 says, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, you know? So that's interesting. So the ministry, which would involve, you know, serving the body of Christ, communicating, sharing the heart of God and so on, maybe demonstration of power and all that. So still everyone comes to that place or progresses to the unity of faith. So this ministry gift is going to be in, in place, it is a journey, it is in place, till everyone comes to the, first of all, the unity of the faith. Then secondly, says still the knowledge, unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, leading to be a perfect man to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, to a perfect man, to the measure and stature of the fullness of Christ. And that word there, again, perfect referring to maturity, okay? Maturity there, to a full man, to a mature man, to a mature person, rather. So that's the thing that the ministry, the serving and the teaching and the demonstrating and living by example, to bring people to the unity of the faith, to the knowledge of the Son of God and the knowledge of the Son of God and to be mature person, to the stature of the fullness of Christ, so Christ-likeness, right? So it is, so we get a better perspective now. It's like, okay, it's equipping it is not just sharing the gospel, but it is equipping the body, equipping the church. If I'm called to be in the five-fold ministry, to equip the church and to bring with the body of believers, it could be one, it could be two, it could be thousands, whatever, to bring the body of believers to the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God. So what does that mean? So that means that, bring them to a deeper understanding of the faith itself, right? And to the unity of the faith in the sense that, okay, there seems to be different kinds of beliefs because of immaturity, because of wrong doctrine, whatever, but to bring, by all this, by teaching, by living, by demonstration, to bring to the unity of faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, then to mature person, okay? Verse 14 talks about it some more, says that we should no longer be children, okay? Now, what is the difference between child-like and child-like and childish? Anyone? Child-like? Pastor, I'd like to answer. Yep. So childish is, you can go ahead please. So basically, to be childish is negative, to be child-like is positive. In what sense? To be child-like is basically to have the heart of a child that receives, that receives things, able to let go of offenses, able to believe without asking any question or trying to rationalize things. He just accepts and a heart of love, you know? But for someone who is childish someone who basically keeps mallease, someone who is always easily offended, who picks on lethal things and never let go, you know? So in this regard, basically, we are called to be child, to have a child-like faith, just like Jesus mentioned. But when Paul talked about liking us to children, when he was trying to encourage the church to grow, he said we should drop all this child, in other words, those things that we ought to let go and then mature, build ourselves up to maturity, things that let us down or that misrepresent us as children of God, please. Yeah. Right, right. Thank you. Thank you, Sey. I see all your responses here. Innocence versus immaturity. Child-like is being obedient to follow the voice of the father and also a question here by Avni. Yeah, we'll come to this, Avni, we're gonna answer that question. So the thing that we see is that, we are called to be child-like and we need to be child-like in our faith. We need to be child-like in our trust of God, in our obedience to Him, we're receiving from the father and having that relationship of love and so on. But not to be childish, not to be immature, sometimes children can be unreasonable. And I've discovered that yesterday, I discovered that again, rediscovered again yesterday. Sometimes children do not obey. I'm just calling out, oh, come, come, we're gonna have lunch and just playing, just playing, just wants to play, does not want to come to the dining table and literally at the counter and say, okay, are you coming now? And talk firmly and then, so we understand that. So the thing is that we should no longer be or have that kind of a mindset, have that kind of a behavior attitude. And he goes on to explain, toss to and throw carried about with every wind of doctrine. Okay, so here's the thing. So when we believe also, when we say in our beliefs to be like children, it has a positive and a negative thing. So to be mature would mean that, well, I receive it and I discern. I receive something and I check and I listen to the leading of the Holy Spirit. I don't miss out on that. I don't override the caution and the check of the Holy Spirit or like the variants that I would go back and see if it is so in the word. So here saying that we should no longer be children, toss to and throw carried about with every wind of doctrine. So with every kind of teaching, every wind of teaching that seems to, some seems to be there, that seems to be coming our way and especially in our day and time with the social media and so on, there could be, it sounds nice and it sounds, it's really good, but it can be a very humanistic kind of a teaching. It can be a very fleshly kind of a thing, not really Spirit-led and not really in the word. Okay, so need to be discerning, right? But this wind of doctrine, this is the background, it's coming from a source and this is what it says, by the trickery of men in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting. Okay, so this is the thing. So what is the antidote verse 15, but speaking the truth in love may grow up in all things into him who is the head Christ and from whom the whole body joined together and knit together and effective working by which every part does its share grows up and causing growth and defying of the body. So that's the thing. So that the antidote is to speak the truth in love, growing up in all things into him, all things, all areas of our lives into him who is the head, who is Christ himself. So this is the, if you look at it, this is the objective or the purpose of the five-fold ministry. Okay, so our next question is, is every single believer called to walk in any of these five-fold ministry and calling of God, not necessarily, right? So not necessarily because this would be the ministry office or the ministry gift could be something for some, right? So these need not be like, we're gonna look at how the ministry gifted different from the ministry function and then we'll get a better understanding, right? So it need not be the five-fold ministry, but we are, like we see in several other places, Romans 12, one Corinthians 12, like each of us in the body of Christ have a call and have, you know, we perform a function and it need not be typical of the five-fold ministry, right? It can be leadership, it can be giving, it can be compassion, so many other things, so very diverse and we could be doing any of that, right? Okay, hope that, yeah, fine. Okay, so we, let's, any other questions here based on what we just looked at? So some more conclusions that we can come to when we read this scripture or some more learnings is that, well, it's a divine call, okay? First of all, it's not somebody's idea, it's not that somebody looked at the ministry gift and say, oh, wow, this is wonderful. I see the wonderful way in which this person is preaching or doing these things and I want to be like that and it's, well, it's good to have aspiration, it's good to desire, but then ultimately the Lord decides, right, we're talking specifically about the five-fold ministry gift, right? So I remember once, they're just listening to one of these preachers and how articulate this person was. I was very young person, a young boy, so, and then I was like really taken up by that and I thought ministry was just that, of course, you know, I want to be an evangelist because this person was so cool, you know, he was very interested in photography and he was very articulate and he was teaching and so I'm just saying that it is not like that, right? While we desire to serve God, let God really put us in these places. Well, these desires will grow and to look at it in a positive way, well, these desires will grow, well, God is, you know, every time I see people, I want to share the good news and this is what he's, maybe he's training me and he's bringing me to a place and he wants to use me in that way, praise God, you know, but the thing is that it is a divine call, we understand that. Having said that, you know, I just want us to, sometimes we are just sitting and waiting for the call and we're saying, okay, when will the phone ring? You know, I just want, I don't know, I just want to be sure and, you know, there's nothing wrong in being sure, nothing wrong in wanting to know, but the best thing is to start serving. And start ministering, start serving wherever we are and, you know, whichever church we are part of, whatever opportunities are there, right? To really start serving and let God, you know, he will do the course correction, he will do the, he will do the guiding, he'll bring us into our place, you know, and pretty soon, we may not even realize it, we'll find ourselves walking in the middle of it and then suddenly you realize, wow, you know, so, or the root could be very different, God says, you know, this is it. Okay, like, yeah, I see maybe Prabhakar or Abhishek, calling you today to this, okay? And, you know, it's a very defining moment and you know, God has spoken and then you, you know, and then, you know, you begin the path of preparing towards it and being commissioned by God at the right time. So, yeah, so the thing is, like, absolutely say, God, those who calls those who are already serving, the thing is that you already have a heart, you know, you're having that relationship with God, you have walking with God, and yes, definitely a moving vehicle is easier to stir as people, you know, all of us would have experienced, if it's stationary, it's difficult to stir and it's not going anywhere, but if it's moving, then it's definitely easy to stir and guide and so on. So, yeah, so it's a divine call, but the call of God need not be, like I'm sitting and waiting and suddenly it hits me, but as I'm walking with him, so everything else need not come to a standstill when we are waiting for the call of God, right? Sometimes it happens, I'm just waiting and years go by, you know, the most valuable resource that we have is time, and then you suddenly realize that a huge chunk of time has just gone by, right? So, the thing is to, you know, keep moving, keep walking, keep serving God, right? Okay, so it's a divine call, and we understand that, it's from him, and it's something that is, that could be resident within us, and because God knows, God plans, God knows the end from the beginning and he's already put it in us as a spirit of God comes in and dwells us, and it could be stirred up, and like we see Paul talking to Timothy, and he says, you know, that gift of God that was imparted by the laying on of hands, something that was there that was stirred up, so it could happen that way as well. So, it's a gift that is imparted, that is resident, and we see that these gifts, in a way, represent the ministry of the Lord to the church, the ministry of the Lord to the body of Christ in equipping, in revealing, in teaching, in grounding the people, in caring for, in feeding, in healing the wounds, and bringing us to wholeness. So, it represents Christ's ministry to the church as well, to the body as well. So, the representation of Christ's ministry to the body. Okay, so it could be, it could represent that as well. So, we see that, so this, we see another place that is 1 Corinthians 12, verse 28, where Paul asks the rhetoric question, right? Where he's talking about the gifts, 1 Corinthians 12, and he's talking about the body, and he's talking about the gifts, and then there also, you know, the ministry gifts are mentioned there, but not as clearly as Ephesians 4, but you see the unfolding of the gifts when you read 1 Corinthians 12 and verse 28. Of course, we looked at it during our Holy Spirit class in the first year, first semester. Let's just read that again, 1 Corinthians 12 and verse 28, 31. God has appointed these in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, and gifts of healings helps administrations and varieties of tongues. Okay, so is there a pattern here? Is there something that is mentioned here about the five-fold ministry? Yes, we see apostle, we see prophets, we see teachers, and this is how it actually unfolded in the early church, in the church when, let me, okay, Maggie asks a question. Maggie, just one minute, let me just finish this. So we see this unfolding there, and then Paul asked me that question, are all apostles, right? And which ties in with Ephesians 4, where it says, and he gave some to be apostles, he gave some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and so on. So here, so Paul is asking, are all prophets, are all teachers, and so on? So when we look at miracles and healings, these are what we would say, we see this in the ministry of the evangelists, that God choosing to use the ministry gift of the evangelist primarily in this, when the gospel is brought, when the gospel is shared, with demonstrations of power, with demonstrations of healing, with the demonstrations of miracles, and so on. So we could infer that gifts of healings and miracles are referring to the office of the evangelist. And then we also see helps, administrations, and so on. So helps and administrations, which are really, if you look at people with the pastoral calling, or pastoral gift, and these are part and parcel of that, helps, administrations. Okay, so we see a parallel here as well. Okay, let's look at Maggie's question. Let's hear. Yes, Maggie. Just go, when you were reading that verse, verse 28, you have the gift of healing, helps, administration, and variety of times. So in this, in, I just want to know, to ask, the gift of Tangia, is it the speaking in Tang, or it's the gift of speaking in different languages, so that's the gospel may advance, because we confuse us taking in Tang and the gift of Tang. So if you may clarify, you can clarify that. So when we look at Tangs, we see that, of course we looked at it earlier, but then when we look at it, we see that it could be earthly language, or it could be heavenly language. It could be a known language, like we see in the book of Acts, and chapter two, and we see that when people started speaking out in Tangs, they were others from other nations who were there, who had come for the Feast of Pentecost and so on. So they heard for the Feast of First Fruits, and then they heard people declaring the praises of God in their own language. So it could be a earthly language. At the same time, it could also be an unknown language. It could be a heavenly language. So how do we say that? In the same book, One Coincidence 12, if you go to chapter 13, where Paul is again, he's establishing the usage of gifts and so on to the church. So in chapter 13, he talks about love, and there, the very first chapter, he says, though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become a sounding brass or clanging symbol. So this is one reference that we see that it could be an earthly language which people understand or it could be a heavenly language which people may not understand because it's not from this planet at all. But also when we go to One Coincidence 14 and verse two, he talks about, for he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God, for no one understands him. So there is no understanding of the language that one is speaking, but in the spirit, the person is actually speaking mysteries. And again, verse four, chapter 14, One Coincidence 14 and verse four, he who speaks in a tongue edifies himself. So yeah, so it could be earthly language, it could be a heavenly language as well. Another reference to go to is again, Romans chapter eight, where you see that the spirit making intercession with groanings which cannot be uttered, referring to inarticulate speech, right? So which are enabled by the spirit again. Let me just give you that reference. I think it's Romans, just a minute, Romans, yeah, Romans five, sorry. Romans chapter five and oh, that's about the love of God. So I think it's Romans eight only. Yeah, so Romans eight and verse 26. Romans, the spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we should pray for as we ought by the spirit himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered and yeah. So that Greek rendition there is that groanings which cannot be uttered in an articulate speech. So we see all these different scriptures. Which point to the fact that it could be language, earthly language, or it could be a heavenly language as well. So yeah. Thank you, sir. Right, Maggie? Thank you. Chris, do you have a question? Yes, Master, because this is a five-fold ministry. Yeah. So as I understand the apostle ministry is already, yeah, I mean it's something that's already happened in the past. And since it is actually being given to the, the disciples of Jesus and a few others like Paul. And it's not something that would be something that we as believers would necessarily need to attain to because we want to be able to do it. The other one is the other question I have is around the prophet. So there's also some discussion about that these prophets in the Old Testament and some in the New Testament, they were very focused on a certain specific objective as well as a certain geographic area. So again, I don't know if that still applies in the current age. So I just wanted to get your view on that. Yeah, yeah, one is about the apostles. Look at the apostles. Of course, we have the 12 apostles of the land, the ones who work with Jesus. We have apostle Paul who established scripture. So these are the founding apostles whom the Lord used to establish scripture, write scripture, and so on. So of course, that is different from the apostles, the apostolic ministry that the Lord establishes in the church. So the term is the same. The function is not to establish or, how do I put it? Not establish scripture or new doctrine or new scripture because it's already been done. But now it is to be commissioned to open up new territories and to do pioneering work and so on. Now, when you look at Romans, the book of Romans, the last chapter, you see Paul actually greeting a lot of people and so on. So there he mentions Romans 16, verse seven. He talks about Andronikus and Junior. He says, my countrymen and my fellow prisoners who are of note among the apostles who also were in Christ before me and so on. So, and also Barnabas is also referred to as an apostle. So we see that like, so the apostolic ministry is different, right? So even today's day and time, while we may not really, maybe in some parts of the world, we're not using the parts of the church or parts of the world where the church and we're not using these terms. But the fact is that there are people walking in that apostolic office, unlocking territories for the kingdom of God, doing very unusual and new things which are bringing people group to the knowledge of Christ. So the apostolic ministry is very much there in today's church. So yes, like you said, there are different categories of apostles which you will, of course, you'll look at it in great detail when you look at the apostolic and the prophetic ministry. The prophets again, like we studied the gifts, there is the simple gift of prophecy, sorry, which brings in edification, exhortation and comfort which are for all people. And there are prophesying believers where believers as placed in the body of Christ, they move regularly in the gift of prophecy. That's how God uses them. They bring in our word, they bring a word of edification, exhortation and comfort as we minister to one another and so on. And of course, the prophetic gift. And like you rightly said, God used the prophets of old about to a specific nation, to a geographical territory and so on. Well, the same thing is true of today also that they announce the moves of God and God gives them an authority and a sphere of influence over nation or nations where it could be a geographical nation or it could be a ethnic or ethnos or a people group where God uses them to bring in our word and so on. So the prophetic office is for today's church as well. Does that help Chris? Oh, yes, yes. Do you have any examples of apostles in the current time or in this, maybe in the last century or something? Yeah, so the apostle, well, I would, you know, when I look at Pastor Ashish, okay, very, very apostolic in the sense in terms of new initiatives, in terms of opening up new things, building things where things were not there, you know, this whole Bible college online things, you know, very quickly, very rapidly bringing it to where it is right now. And then we've done some very unusual, you know, ministry work as well, you know, while the church, church is not a very big church, but God has blessed and God has been faithful. And so, you know, doing some ministry work in the north of India, some schools of ministry and so on, where, so, you know, we see that God using him in that manner. And, you know, the way it's, the way it started really when he was actually in running his own software business and at the same time, you know, doing the ministry and so on. So we see that, you know, that apostolic thing. It was at a time when not many people were in that kind of a thing, you know, it was like, okay, if it's a full-time ministry, I need to resign and go, you know, give everything off and go. But then you see examples of Daniel Joseph and all those God used, you know, statesmen really who are, you would say today's, you know, IAEA's officers and God use, you know, so there's a bit, so we see that happening. And yeah, several other things. So that is one example where you see the apostolic and that I can think of, which is really, you know, close home, closer to home. Okay, thank you. Right, Chris. Okay, so we'll take a break. I think we have five minutes into our break time. So we'll take a 10-minute break. We'll come back at 11.5. Okay, thank you.