 Good evening Councilor, welcome back. Okay, so I will call the meeting order at 7 o'clock by my watch. Once again, the one on the wall is a little fast. So we have the minutes of April 17th, 2018 through motion to approve. Motion to approve, it's a 2018 with any amendments there too. Second. Page one. Page two. I have it netted under section six. So what's written is, Teresa Zittrich mentioned the lack of participation by the select board in the process used to craft the agreement in the town not having equal say in what was done on the property. So I'd like to amend it to, Teresa Zittrich mentioned the town staff have been negotiating an exclusive license agreement with the Catamount Outdoor Family Center for the town forest property for almost a year without seeking in any input or approval from the select board. Teresa also mentioned that the committee to make recommendations for the town property forest has yet to make those recommendations. You have those written out so I can write it to you, yeah. I think that's what you said at the last meeting. Yeah, I went through the tape today. So, and on the second paragraph, if I could just amend that to say, it says, Ted, Kenny, and Joel Moge that feedback from residents has been received, which is true. I think I said that though in my section as well. So I just wanted to add my name to that, that we've all gotten feedback on the property and the rights to the town seems to be giving away. So just, it just Ted, Kenny, Terri Zittrich, or however you want to add my name. Yeah, yep. Okay. Anything else on page two? Page three. One hopefully small thing on page three, if anything at all. On number eight, storm water program update. Oh, about halfway down a sentence that reads, per information from the state, if the Mahan Farm property is not permittable and the town ball field behind town hall potentially can be permitted. And I wondered if those were, are those mixed? By mixed I mean the one that actually is not permittable is actually the one behind town hall. No. She got it right. Never mind. Okay. Anything else on page three? Yeah, if not, all those in favor of approving the minutes of April 17, 2018, the corrections say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? And there's no abstentions. So it is time for public comment. If anyone has any issues that they'd like to bring up tonight, either on the agenda or not on the agenda, this is an opportunity time to do that. No hands raised and we'll move on to board interviews and appointments. So tonight we have two people who are interested in the position of town constable. We have Frayin Stoddard and Mike Moran, if you'd both come up to the table here, I appreciate it at the same time. We can interview both of you at the same time. So if you would please identify yourself for the record and give us a brief history of your background and why you would like to be the town constable, Frayin. Okay. My name is Frayin Stoddard. I have lived in Williston for nearly 30 years and really haven't been a participant except for a regular voter. And when I saw this on Front Porch Forum, I was moved by it because I'm doing a lot more work with community development, facilitation, moderation of groups, and I still would like to get a better sense of really what your expectations and possibly Chief Foley's expectations for a constable really is, but I was intrigued by the facilitation around things, not again being completely sure about what is needed or wanted in the job. That's what I was interested in, in serving the town. And by the way, thank you. It's so nice to get some faces and names together for me, having lived here for a long time and been very, as I say, mainly voting and occasionally coming to town meeting. But that's really my story. I'm fascinated by the job. I also, just one other thing. I am a television producer, by the way. I have been in media production for a long time. So this is a switch, but I've worked for the Orton Family Foundation for the last five years, mainly doing community development work and seeing how towns work and how towns can get stronger through the process that they use, and I've been intrigued by that. So that's also my interest in towns. The boards that I've been on, and I apologize for my, if my resume wasn't really about this job in particular, but I've been on a lot of boards as well. But most of those are out of Burlington or statewide. So I have not been involved in government here in Los Angeles, and I'm very open and interested in your questions. Thank you. My name is Mike Moran, and I'm also here interested in learning more about the constitutional role. I understand from the information I got from Eric that its role primarily, your vision is that it'd be in serving papers when appropriate to the people that need to be served. Also to help follow up with dog licensing and dog management. But also to provide some presence during your meetings as well. So those are the things that I understood. Is that still what you're generally looking at? Yep. I've spoke with the town clerk, and that's been the role of the constable in recent years. It wouldn't be town meeting at states as meetings to attend, so it wouldn't be necessarily required to attend all public meetings of that size. Okay. All right. Well, thank you. So my background is a little different. I have worked in the private sector primarily in many different industries, almost always in leadership roles for large numbers of staff, people who are usually highly challenged. The types of projects that I managed over the last 10 years have been managing implementation projects for hospital organizations, electronic health care projects, and most of what I do is helping people deal with stress, helping people solve problems, helping people achieve what has to be achieved for the organizations. And I'm a manager and consultant who's brought in to these projects to help the organizations be successful. I've done this for, at the time, Fletcher Animal Health Care, now University of Vermont Health Care, Bassett Health Care, Hartford Health Care, number of large health care organizations. So I also have been an owner of a retail business for a number of years. And I'm a veteran, Army Reserve, six years, and let's see what else I can bring. In general, you know, the feedback I get and feedback that people get about me is that I am a good problem solver, calming, encouraging type of person, which is something I've had to develop over the many years of working with people who are thrown into roles that they maybe not really fully understood. For example, with electronic health care systems, a lot of the people who are asked to be the technical resources on these projects are nurses, rad techs, other people from the health care sciences that are asked to become technical in nature and configure and develop these systems. Most of them very quickly will become overwhelmed because it's something they've never done before. And it's a little bit like the difference between taking care of patients as patients tend to come and go fairly quickly. But these projects are like I've had people describe them as death marches. You know, they go on for two to five years, and this is very different. So I've had a lot of experience helping people deal with that, getting them prepared for it, and have been very successful. So I'm hoping that I can bring that calming, problem-solving skill set to this role. And I am currently planning on not taking on any more contracts. So that's why I'm here. And looking for something that would allow me to integrate into the town much more closely, and this seemed like a great opportunity for that. So I appreciate your consideration. Look forward to your decision. Any questions? Thank you all. Any questions from the ward? I'll start off if nobody else. So based on what Eric shared about the roles of the Constable, I guess maybe just Mike to you. I don't know if. I'm sorry, I was also aware of those basic roles. And I've talked to other people. And they're a little bit different in each town, of course. So and I actually tried to get in touch with Chief Foley just to see if he had. But maybe it's just really your decision about what the Constable position does. But his expectations may be. Don't know. My question is, based on what Eric said, obviously both of you have qualifications in many different areas. So I'm sure either of you would serve fine. But what of those responsibilities kind of draws you to the job or? Well, I think that I've always been a believer in the law. And so when I saw that, I thought it would be a great way to get involved without being a policeman, which is a very different role being a patrolman. And so it seemed like it was a great opportunity to meet people in the legal field without it being the same confrontation that you typically get from the police. So I'm hoping that this would allow me to do that for the town. And I think, again, my background does support that. I believe very strongly. So that's what attracted me to it. For me, serving papers brought up, hmm, what's that really mean? And is that somebody who has resisted someone else perhaps serving papers? I'm not sure. I've done some diversity training and other training. There's just that was intriguing and a little, hmm, I wonder what that really entails. And would it just be me? And is that appropriate? And it brought up some very interesting questions. But I was intrigued by that. And what I just personally might learn from what that is about. Registering dogs doesn't really sound compelling. But it sounds like it's something that might need to happen. And sometimes when I saw that in some of the constable destroys dogs, that's not me. So if that is part of the job, that wouldn't be me. But it doesn't sound like that is here. And being a presence at a public meeting is something I'm very comfortable with. And dealing with people that are having difficulties or disruptive. I too am glad I heard what the position entailed. I wasn't sure that helps. It leads me to wonder if the position is going to involve dealing with difficult situations. Serving somebody a paper that might be something along the lines of an eviction notice. Or, you know, some, I don't know, what else I can come up with. They are not going to be receptive to receiving it. Maybe they're angry to start with that type of thing. With the dog issue, I assume it's not really about registering dogs. That would probably happen downstairs. But it's more the dog nuisance, I assume, type problems. When we haven't done this in recent years, I talked with the clerk's office. Year to year, you can see which dogs have registered one year or not registered the next year. So it's the delinquent registration of dogs lists. Okay, I get it. It could be going down that list, contacting folks saying, hey, I need to register it out. Okay, okay. So I guess my question, I should say, I guess my question is, along the lines of with those difficult situations where you're going to be working with somebody who's angry or not receptive to you because of what you're about to hand them or you're only the messenger. First of all, how does that, I think it's a job that I would necessarily want to take on. So a little bit along Theresa's question of why are you interested in taking on and how would you deal with it? Either way, the first conflict, who answers first? I was fully expecting that when you serve papers to people that a good percentage of them are not going to be welcoming those papers. And so there will be situations that escalate very quickly. Most of the time I fully believe that you can, I can kind of deflect and talk them through it, try to help them understand the situation is not personal, but it's important that the papers be served and it's important that they have the papers. Those types of discussions, what's the appropriate behavior, who they can talk to if they need to pursue the basis of why they're getting papers and kind of move it out of the unjust angry and give them options for what to do. But I fully believe that there is the possibility in today's world that things could actually always go in a direction that you weren't planning on. If the news we see today is telling us anything, it's that things are changing certainly and places that never had to worry about that before. So I had no expectation that won't ever happen, but I believe I'm prepared to handle it. I think it's a smart idea to have someone who's a citizen and not an officer serve papers or come to a situation. It might be that an officer needs to be outside, I'm not sure, but I think listening, talking to people, understanding what their situation is first, I think they would be aware that yes, you're there to serve papers, but let's talk about what's happened and options if there are any certainly you would like to talk about that. So my tact would be to talk to this person as someone who is probably in, has some troubles and what's going on with that and what these papers might mean and what some options might be. That's how I would handle it. It doesn't scare me. I think if I feel that there would be an insecure time, I might want one other person also with me. I mean, that's something that would have to be judged quickly, but I'm not concerned about that because of other difficult situations that I've been a part of or handled. But I'm also aware that things can escalate. You just never know. Thank you. Both good answers, great answers. My next question actually is going to be a question for the whole group. I, for some reason, it falls on my shoulders that we asked this of all candidates. It's a conflict of interest question. But my question really is, is it really, this position is so unique. Does it really make sense that there would be potential conflicts of interest? I was going to say, if you know somebody. I wanted to add on to your comment. I would be extremely careful about engaging in too much conversation when you're serving papers. And that's as an attorney, we used to have to do that when I was a public defender. It's not your job to get involved and to understand that story. It's to politely serve the papers and get out. You could end up putting yourself in all kinds of positions you may not want to be in. Witness, who knows what else. So I would just say you don't put advice to get into doing that. It's a, you know, thank you. I'm sorry, you may not be happy about this, but here you go. And you're done. Thank you for that. And I could do that too. You know, I would feel that's very good advice. I could take that. But when it comes to. So I will ask the conflict of interest question. And it really basic one is how would you recognize it? Boy, this one seems quite simple. And but what would you do about it? Certainly if I knew someone that I was asked to serve papers, I think I would consult with someone does this, does this make sense? I know this person. I think someone else should do it. I would consult with either this office and or someone else who was recommended or maybe joy because she's a lawyer and knows how these things should be handled properly. I assume that the sheriff's office would be someone we could lean on if we ran into a conflict of interest. It was an extra neighbor or someone that you just felt it was appropriate that it not be you. So I think we could work through those. Thanks. I'm sure you know that this is an elected position and we had nobody run for election in March. And so whoever is appointed would serve until the next election and they would need to run for a late reelection if they wish to at that point. That's a one year term. So the decision. So thank you. Thank you very much. Well, we can only have one constable. Yes. Yes, as far as I'm, is we only going to have one constable at first possible. Yes, so I'd be interested in motion. I would move to appoint Mike Moran as first constable for a one year term through March for 2019. Second. Second. Sorry. Discussion on the motion. I was just going to say, I think either candidate could probably do the job. But I got the impression, Fran, that you were expanding and I had the same thoughts actually, even though I'm not an attorney, that Joy had about having the discussion on these things because my take is is probably not part of that role or mediation or anything in terms of serving papers. So but I would encourage you, you know, if you don't get this particular position to continue trying to work with the town because we could use all the volunteers and that we can get for sure. I'd be happy to appoint either candidate and I think we're very fortunate to have two wonderful candidates apply. Thank you. Is there any further discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. Opposed? No. Stenches. Thank you both. Yes. One. Fran. There's one board you might be interested in, the Community Justice Board. Yes. That might. Yeah. You'd be superb on that. Thanks Rick. That would be great. Please. Let's try to apply for that. Please. And a point of interest, not a point of order, but a point of interest Mr. Chairman, while we were discussing this, I looked up one of the powers of the constable is to kill injured deer. Really? If there's, if the chances of survival is remote and under 10 Vermont statutes annotated, the other people in town that have that power are members of the select board. So keep that in mind. Jeff, I'm looking at you. I do not know even how to respond. I don't even know how to. Any requirement to share the meat with the select board is the question. Thank you. Next is the liquor license application. We have an application from the skill poke bar and Rick, perhaps you start out with the representatives from the organization to be here. How much say other than staff has reviewed the application and have no problems with it. And I think we have some people here from the company, so perhaps you come up and identify yourself and tell us a little bit about what you want to do. I think this is going to be in the kismet building. Yes. And tell us a little bit about what you want to do and there is an outdoor permit as well. My name is Neil Far and this is my wife, Perry Far. We own the scale poke bar. It's a restaurant in the kismet place building. We are looking to get our first class license so we can serve beer and wine with our food and just kind of complete the whole restaurant picture. Simple as that. Perhaps you can talk a little bit about the outside service. Okay. So we have some picnic tables set up, we have some tables and we just want to have an outdoor seating area for the folks of Wilson to come and eat some food and enjoy a beverage on a Saturday, Sunday afternoon and it will be roped off for one section. Is it all to the right from the building? Like on sidewalk? I work in the building across the street. Okay. So it's in the front of the building facing Blair Park. So not on the two way side, on the front side of the building. Right below, basically where it says kismet on the front. There's already picnic tables and stuff there. We're just going to add a few tables to it. And the question will come up from someone, if not from me, how are you going to control the service out there and the people who are drinking? Right. So we will have staff on the weekend. We'll have somebody out there cleaning off tables and wait staff that brings the drinks from inside to outside and back and forth. Patrons aren't allowed to bring alcohol out themselves. There is talk with the landlord of having a service window. So have a window that goes right out into that section from our kitchen. Are there questions from the board? I just understood. Did I hear you say that you're only planning on serving alcohol on Saturdays and Sundays? No. It would be a seven days a week. I was just using that as an example for the outdoor space, just somewhere you can sit outdoors and just enjoy yourselves here in town and not have to go to places in Burlington or just looking to have a little bit of outdoor seating for people is what our goal is. Okay. And is there seating also inside? There must be. Yes. I mean, there's not a lot. It's minimal. We do focus heavily on takeout. Okay. But we do have, you know, roughly eight seats inside. Okay. And this means nothing, but I'm still going to ask the question. The name is Scale Poke Bar. Does the bar have any connotation there? No. So a poke bar is kind of along the same lines as a salad bar. So you come in and you've ever been to, let's say, Chipotle walk in and you walk up to the counter and then you pick the items as you work your way down. And that's what a poke bar is. Okay. But it's not necessarily a bar, like a drinking bar by any means. Okay. Okay. You can see how, hopefully you can see how it's appropriate here. And then to follow a little bit up on Terry's question about, you know, of course our biggest concern is either serving underage folks or somebody who shouldn't be served any more alcohol. And so my question is more about the training. What type of training will either you or your, have you or will your staff go through, you know, in preparation for this, what is actually a pretty important responsibility? Yeah. Yeah. So Neil and I have both been DLC certified since we returned to the Vermont area five and a half years ago. I just did a refresher course myself under the regular state guidelines. We would then be authorized to train and give the state licensed DLC programs to our staff. They would only be licensed within the confines of our building, even if they work somewhere else with a part-time job. It would work that way. So just following the regular state guidelines of, you know, IDing every customer, being really aware of that and then having people obviously outside kind of using the judgment as well. Okay. We would also DLC certified our managers. So anyone who's not there, when we're not there, that's in our place. So somebody would, who is, somebody would always be on site who is certified. Yes. And that would be that extended length class. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the state, like you can get it basically at DVD and we could all sit in this room together and watch it. And that would count as being DLC certified. There is an extended in-person class that you can take through the state with a licensed official that I think they do in Burlington. It's a police department. That's the class we both took. That's the one that we would have any managerial staff take. They do all sorts of pass around fake IDs from different states. And it's a lot more hands on and in depth. Good. Thank you. So now there's three picnic tables and we have three two top tables. The picnic tables are going to go. And we're going to have a total of about seven two top tables. So we have four more that we're going to order. Are you going to do that in December? Yeah, absolutely. I believe it has to be. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be. I was more concerned of like if you had 15 or 20 people outside and not enough wait staff going back and forth so that you'd be able to keep an eye on what was happening. And there are. Security cameras with video and sound outside the building that actually. Are excess like show that area. If there was ever any concerns or anything like that. So with respect to that that area is it connected in other words is it connected to the Kismet building such that people. Outside of that area can't just walk it into that area. Yes. It is actually part like the Kismet buildings there and it has a wide sidewalk in front of the building and that's where it is. It's right on the front. Sidewalk of the building. So the only access to it would be from the Kismet restaurant. Out to into the area and then back through the Kismet. I'm just wondering for the. No. Well the kids. People. Outside the building kind of what it sounds like you're going to have a lot of people many more much more seating than you have inside. Maybe two or three times as much. So you're going to a lot of people out there and can people come and go. So it will be the. To get to our restaurant you have to go in the main door of Kismet building and then you turn right right into our restaurant. To get to the seating area you would come out of our restaurant and go out the main door and then that would be the front sidewalk area with seating outdoor seating areas. So there isn't so and it's roped off it's not really roped off from people getting into it from anywhere because they could come from. Well we could have some you know just signs for scale customers only is basically you know be like a roped off section on Church Street across from the restaurant you know it's only for those patrons of that restaurant. So that would be you know our seating area for our restaurant. Is that. I understand what you're saying. I'm I'm I guess I don't know what the rules are. This feels a little odd because many times we have we see we ask whether it's connected and you basically can't get into that area unless you're coming you know from inside the restaurant you know. Well I think it would just walk into it. A similar situation where as you could only purchase the alcohol like it can only be purchased at the one single point of sale system which would be inside the building. So you could walk into the restaurant order your drink and someone would follow you out with it similar to the way that if you're sitting in the outdoor seating and grazers you could walk into that and sit down at a table but a server would have to serve you alcohol. So is that maybe I misunderstood. Is that the way it works? You have to go inside to buy the alcohol and then bring it to the table and ask the server but the server has to serve it. You can't just go in and grab it and walk out. You can't even receive a beer that's not open. I would have to pop the top on a beer and hand it to you or else I would legally be violating the first class license and I would be considered a store handing you an unopened beer. That's as long as that's my understanding of their relations. And the job? Yes. I know a couple of points. I know that it's not the you're passing judgment on the question of the alcohol sales. I would point out two points. Number one, standalone restaurants are not allowed as permitted use in the zoning district that there is a restaurant in this building. It's basically it's accessory to the primary uses in the building. Number two, an outdoor cafe has not been approved as part of this site plan. So I would strongly recommend that you come in and talk to us in the planning office before you go too much further with your plans. Because what I'm hearing tonight sounds like what your idea is far beyond what's actually been approved for this building. We're approved for eight seats for our water permit and everything like that. That's a different question. I think you need to come into our office and have a conversation with us. Otherwise, you may think everything is all hunky-dory and it's not. So what I'm hearing tonight doesn't square with my understanding of the approved site plan. Should we shelve this based on what Ken said? It sounds like there's more worth than needs to be done before we can approve this tonight. So the motion to table probably would be in order. I move to table the license for the... Poke scale bar. Poke scale bar. Scale poke bar. Scale means fish, right? Yes. Well, the scale is our name and poke is a Hawaiian word that is a Hawaiian dish. I looked you up on the internet, so it looks interesting. Is there a second for the motion? Second. It's a non-debatable motion, so all those in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No abstentions. Well, thanks and we'll probably see you again then. All right. Thank you all. Thank you. Back. I wonder if we can just go away from the scheduled public hearing for about five minutes and do the investment policy report with Deb Beckett. She promises to be short and can listen five minutes or so. So Deb, if you wouldn't... Welcome, Deb. Thank you. I want to... You do have your memos. I'll give you... because it'll go kind of along with the... For the... Updates and memos. I'll give you... Because it'll go kind of along with the... For the... Updates and memos. I'll give you... Because it'll go kind of along with the... Updates and memos. Activity. Thank you, Deb. Different than what's on the... Oh, very. Otis. And that's because that was all... So thank you for allowing me to come in today. It's been a long time since we've done an actual report, investment activities report. And that's primarily because there hasn't been any investment activity for years when the interest rates were like at zero. Interest rates have, in the last several months, have really started actually increasing and becoming worthwhile. So we are now getting back into using CDs and higher rate money markets, as you can see on your certificate of... This will be an activity report there. The... Going on to the investment policy, I want to keep this really short here for you. This is essentially the policy we have had right along since 1999 actually, with a few updates in 2009. The... This policy here more reflects today's day and age. There are a few things that have been taken up like now accounts. We don't use now accounts anymore. And just a terminology here and there. Essentially it is the same policy that we have had right along where, you know, and how we invest funds, what's allowable funds. And all of these take into consideration kind of the prudent man philosophy. It's being very prudent with our funds. We're not going to go into stocks and bonds and high risk anything actually. It's what a prudent person do with their own funds. And that's been our policy right along. We do also... And where we invest funds, we try to go... And back when we started this, we had no choice but to stay within the state of Vermont as far as banks... Because banking had to be all... There wasn't much interstate banking going on. And... But we try to stay local as much as possible. First, and then regional and then branch out beyond regional. And to do that, there's got to be some really good rates. And we do... We are actually using great eastern management for... We're trying them out for a couple CDs that we have now at 1.75% which, when we open these, we're very much higher than anything else we could get locally. All our funds are FDIC insured or collateralized. So... I have a question for you on the policy or deleting the now accounts and the collateralized repurchase agreements. In the next paragraph down, you say you're going to be using collateralized repurchase agreements. We have... I didn't realize we took out... We didn't take out collateralized repurchase agreements. It's shown on this slide. It's shown on here that you have that you're deleted in the list of acceptable investments. And then in the next paragraph... The collateralized repurchase agreements is the collateralization, the type of collateralization. It's not an actual account. It's not like I couldn't invest in... like I can invest in a money market or a CD or I can't invest in a collateralized... Maybe it would help because it would help me because I don't understand what the term collateralized repurchase agreement means. So that would be like a community national... It used to be a merchant's bank had a collateral. So every night they repurchase from the... from Boston, from the feds, the amount of code that it would take to collateralize all our accounts within them. So it's just a repurchasing that on a daily basis. So that's why it's excluded then, as I understand it. It's not a specific fund that you invest in, but it's a way... That's what's ensuring our funds. I got it. No. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions for Deb? No. A motion is in order. Move to accept amendments to the town investment policy as presented. Is there a second? Second. Any questions or comments on the motion? Hearing none, all those in favor of approving the motion say hi. Hi. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So now we'll move on to the public hearing on the proposed by-law amendments. And the Wilson Select Board will hold the public hearing to receive comment on several proposed changes to the existing Wilson Unified Development By-law pursuant to 24VSA section 4442 and the Wilson Unified Development By-laws. Public hearing will take place on Tuesday, May 1, 2018 at 7.30pm in the Wilson Town Hall media room. So I'd invite Ken Bellowo to give us a little bit of a very brief overview of what the public hearing is about tonight on the proposed by-laws. Thank you, Terry. So what's in front of the Select Board is a collection of by-law amendments that covers not all, but most chapters of the by-law. Many of these changes are relatively minor. Some of them are the correction of typographical errors, the correction and replacement of citations like, for example, two old editions of the town plan, et cetera. There were, within this collection of by-law amendments, there were three in particular that we identified as being the most substantive. One had to do with how the keeping of livestock or, in particular, female poultry is handled under our by-law, and that was one. A second has to do with accessory sales for food and beverage manufacturers. We had some discussion about this the last time I was here, and what's been proposed is to expand the amount of floor area, the maximum amount of floor area that one of these manufacturers, distributors, would be able to have for their accessory sales. And then the other that was of substance had to do with the adaptive reuse of historic barns. And in that particular item, what was proposed in the by-law amendment was to remove the ability of the DRB to make determinations of what constituted and historic barn, and it would rely upon the structure being on the national or the state registers of historic structures in order to be able to be considered to be historic. That in a nutshell is what's in front of you. So we'll open up the floor to anyone who has any public comment to make on the by-law amendment. So if you want to just raise your hands and if you have something to say, identify yourself, please. So I see it later there in the back first. So I'm Dr. McOvenelli. I'm also here as a citizen and on behalf of Goodwater Brewery, Goodwater Brewery and since we've heard about the amendment, we have some people who have visited Goodwater Brewery. And just what I would like to point out is that we have the best craft breweries in the state of Vermont. It's actually in the country we have more craft breweries per capita than all states except for Colorado. And two of the best breweries in the state are here at Milliston. But we don't really have the time to spend the beer with some friends or family. You know, like on a nice day like tomorrow, we can't really go out and sit and have a beer and enjoy the sunshine. Milliston residents have to go to Burlington to go to like zero gravity or other places to enjoy beer outside. So I think the best thing is to keep our residents happy and let us enjoy some time in our wonderful town. I'm Tony Handy. And I have like no particular farmers, including my sister who's interesting in the farming business in Milliston. And I've been coming to Milliston for like 40 years. It's like a farming community originally. I remember that. And one of my concerns is to take the power of the DRB ability to say a farm is a historic and give it to a historic society which kind of takes away the power of the town of Milliston. And one of the reasons really that I disagree with that is because I mean this community is proud of that farming. And many farms are not historic. They're just what happens to the people who have farms for the last 40 years or last 50 years that want to be able to do a vans or maybe sell their pies or do anything to supplement the income as farmers. So by giving the power to the state, it actually takes away from the community and makes farming even harder. So I don't really recommend that idea. I think that's like something that would like actually hurt farming in Milliston. And so that's one of my like, I would say I think a lot of people feel the same way if you talk to them. And I think the farmers have to have a say into it. Yes. Hi there. I'm Laura Handy and I have a barn in Milliston and it's a 1790s barn and it collapsed and I had it rebuilt and I don't know if you've read an article that was in the newspaper several weeks ago, Elliott Laughrup did about Milliston barns and one of the statements was even though the state has its specifications for historic barns it's very stringent. So sometimes barns that have beautiful historic character are sometimes not committed to be on the historic register because they're so stringent. So the community would lose out on seeing a barn that has beautiful historic tendencies to the community by putting it on the historic register it's very difficult to have barns that do have character that have the historic mine is 1790s but I had to have it moved to another part of the property because it wasn't the foundation wasn't strong enough to hold it. So by moving it it's not applicable to be on the historic register. So there's I'm sure a lot of people in Milliston would love to come see the barn the oldest barns in Milliston and by making it stringent by having barns on the state historic register the community would lose out seeing barns that are historic but can't be on the register. I think another alternative I believe the Milliston has a historical board I think their judgment is just as you know they have just as good gestures as the state would and maybe that's an alternative than you know making it strictly a state having the state approve your property. That's all I wanted to say. Thank you. Any further comments from the public on the bylaws? Seeing none the motion to close the public hearing would be in order. It's a moved. Second. Is there a discussion in the motion? If not all those in favor of closing the public hearing say aye. Aye. So we're into deliberations then on considering adopting the proposed amendments that are before us. Any discussion or questions for Ken on this? So Ken what do you think about the the narrowness of the historic barn definition? I think it was to prevent new people building new barns in places where maybe we didn't want. Well, number one the DRB specifically requested the language that's in this amendment they specifically requested they did not want to have to be in a position to judge between dueling historic preservationists and we had a protracted debate here in this very room between two very well qualified and well spoken historic preservationists each and opposed to the other. Sometimes at DRB meetings there are different points of view that are aired but this was one where the DRB said they really didn't want to have to be in that position to make that determination. You know, in the case of the handy barn it's a barn that had collapsed and was rebuilt and regardless of what the historic value of the architecture is it was rebuilt and it was rebuilt it's now more than twice the size of what it originally was so it sort of begs the question as to whether what's standing here today on the ground is very nice looking structure I've seen it numerous times driving there but it does sort of beg the question as to whether or not it would meet that criteria of historic. When the language was put in the bylaw to allow these banquet facilities sort of things we basically tagged it onto some existing language that was already in the bylaw having to do with you could adapt an historic barn into housing it would be it would allow you to have a different housing type than you would otherwise be allowed to have in the zoning district in dealing with the question of the event facilities we kind of put it as part of this and so that language was drafted some time ago. We also got some input from the state historic folks who said that there's also this criteria, a specific criteria for when you do a renovation of a historic structure it has to meet these criteria and these criteria are all promulgated by the state requirements are an expression of what the federal requirements are so in all of these discussions both with the DRB and our discussion with the state historic people what we're trying to do is make sure that what we have in our regulations essentially in sync with all of those other things and we don't get too far feel. I would make the comment as far as you know the town does have an historical and architectural advisory committee it's worth noting though that that board doesn't have any decision-making authority it's a recommending body it's not a deciding body so any recommendation that they make goes to the DRB and ultimately the DRB has to see the wisdom of their recommendation just like the Planning Commission comes to you with recommendations and you have to essentially agree with their recommendation in order for that to take effect so I would go back to my original comment that the DRB said very emphatically that they did not want to have to be in that position to make that determination they would rather that determination be made by true experts on this theme a little bit and don't read anything into this I'm just exploring but it's the concept of is the you know the designated it's not the right word but a state or federal list does that become too onerous of a bar to achieve for what is for the intended use which is the wedding aspect of it I don't know if I expressed that well from your expression there let me try to restate it is right now there's a provision in our bylaws that said historic barns can be used one of the allowable uses is a wedding barn banquet facility I'm sorry it could be a bar mitzvah could be lots of things graduation party and I guess my question sometimes I do my best thinking when I'm talking I guess my question is along the lines of what is the significance of the historic barn for that use the banquet facility whether it's on a list type historic barn versus some other type of historic criteria might be the way to put that fully understanding if I was the DRB I would not want to be in the position of having to say this barn is historic this barn is not I mean I fully understand that and being an engineer myself I like clear cut undisputable determinations and being on a list or not being on a list is about as clear cut and undisputable I think you may have just answered your question Jeff you've already answered your question what more do you have if you wanted a definition of what is considered a historic barn the state and national list have defined that so now you're saying you want to define it by something else but you already had an answer to your question what I'm saying is different than that what I'm saying is that is that designation of being on a state or a federal list too onerous that's why they're there and if you're taking wait hold on a second if you're taking a barn that was one size you've now doubled it and moved it to an entirely different place I have to agree I mean it may have some historic elements to it but it is certainly not what the original structure was that would have been on the list so let me give you an example I understand the moving and the moving is one where I might agree you've lost the historicness but let me give you another example what about I'm going to use the example of in my personal case building a house and we built a house that was designed to architectural standards that are historic a Connor home and we did that because we really liked that look what I'm getting at is and we believe it's a very pretty house because of its its architectural details historic architectural details so I guess my question is is somebody were to build a barn that had appropriate architectural details such that it can't be historic obviously but it has all appearances characteristics of a historic barn why would that not you're stretching you're just you're trying to get around I mean I can appreciate what you're doing with your house but your house is not in fact a historic house as you admitted but it's you got to have a stopping point somewhere or else this is always going to be a debatable thing about what's considered historic or not can I bring it up maybe a different way because I think I know what you're getting at I think I heard the input from the community why are we trying to limit the ability of people who don't have historic barns from you know making extra money or creating banquets or weddings on their farms if they have a nice barn that has I guess I don't under you have to remind me why is historic why is that meaningful or why why do we care it seems like we're saying if you kept your barn through some miracle over the last 200 years your barn was able to stand and not need rebuilding through some miracle you can now hold weddings which has nothing to do with historical barns but that I can figure out versus another farmer who's had to rebuild it and you know I don't think farmers are getting rich in Vermont from the last I heard about milk prices and they look at this resource this barn is a way that I can make ends meet why are we limiting it can you remind me to sure so first of all there's ED the agricultural rural residential zoning district there's a very narrow list of allowed uses the primary focus is on agriculture and one in two family dwellings are allowed and to get approval to do a residential development you have to go through a sometimes long and arduous process to get an approval there may be open space requirements but other than in this narrow definition of the adaptive reuse of historic structure we would not allow an event facility to be built in the ARZD it's completely contrary to the intent and purpose of the zoning district so there's some language in the bylaw which was designed to allow somebody who had an historic barn to be able to adapt it to some other use other than being what we would think of as the typical uses of a barn adapting it to residential uses those are not the typical uses you would expect of a barn having a dance hall and music and catering etc those are not the customary uses you would expect to have in a barn one of the concerns when this originally was taken up by the planning commission a few years ago is that we were concerned about there being a proliferation of these things throughout the town and we have fielded questions in the planning office periodically from folks who would like nothing better than to come in and buy up a little 10 acre piece of heaven and go and plop down some modern event facility so that's the other side that's the part of the consideration for having a definition that has some boundaries to it which is that we have some very specific things that we say we either we want or we don't want in the agricultural rural residential zoning district and it is a core part of the town's land use plan as expressed in the town plan and then consequently in our zoning regulations I understand thank you so I understand it's still historic or not historic there isn't it's unclear why we would allow the historic barn to field up a wedding and not the non-historic barn I guess because you could buy that historic barn theoretically you could go buy your 10 acre plot and if it had an historic barn on it you could open up your within the bar mitzvah house or a wedding center what that would be within the confines of the historic barn no of course I'm just trying to understand the rationale it seems like it's a it's a limit that's supposed to be it's the intended limit it's to stop other barns from cropping up and then being brought to the town saying we want to start doing that that's not what the town wants to see in this district that's not what it's currently zoned for and unless you're talking about a change of zoning for everything that's the piece that's starting to make sense can if I can follow up with another question so somebody could build a brand new barn in another zoning district in town and have that as a wedding barn basically have to be a commercial zoning district that allows the use but they could make a structure they could make it look like a barn if they wanted to I'm not saying it had the same setting as maybe I understood but we're not prohibiting that it's just not in the ag role the ARZ zone and that's because the ARZ zone is not intended to be for functions like all the ones you've mentioned right so if you decided to build a barn in your backyard Jeff and then you wanted to come in for a permit to hold events wouldn't happen second issue if we adopted the bylaws as they're presented tonight wouldn't that also cut into the issue of poultry we've got a proposed amendment we need to talk a little bit about that Eric and his memo before we make a motion because we have to take that out Jeff could you remind me while they're the the change in square footers for the accessory uses accessory food and drink service what was it currently and what is it proposed to be changed to sorry am I testing your memory here I've got my back up behind me I'm going to see how how long I can go before I run out of brain power I believe it's currently 10% of the floor area up to a maximum of a thousand square feet yes and I believe what was proposed was what up to 1500 and what was proposed it could go to 20% 30% 30% not to exceed 2,000 square feet sorry I'm not I'm not right so up to 30% if you are small enough but with a max of 2,000 square feet whichever is less thank you in addition to that it allows for a 500 square foot maximum out more area without a relationship requirement to the size of the indoor use so let's have Eric talk a little bit about his memo regarding the regulation of poultry which also is included in the proposed bylaw amendments sure so the memo in front of the board looking at this the proposed amendment includes language of keeping of female poultry on lot size under an acre in residential zone districts in town we'll be talking a little later on the draft chicken ordinance which this bylaw would enable amendment would enable rather to regulate the keeping of female chickens hence the type of poultry on these lots under an acre so the term poultry refers to a number of species including chickens, turkeys, geese, ducks this bylaw amendment language as written would allow the keeping of any of these female poultry species on a residential lot under an acre in size not just chickens although a question for the board to consider in this is to what degree would like to regulate the broader keeping of poultry on residential lots under an acre in town three possible pathways for consideration can adopt the bylaw amendment as presented here tonight and ask staff to redefine the ordinance to regulate all poultry types that could be kept so that would require some additional staff work as looking to see if there would be different standards for health and keep of say turkeys or geese as opposed to chickens in the ordinance it has structures and things that are mindful of chickens another option would be to reword the bylaw amendment to specify that female chickens are permitted to be kept on residential lots under an acre other poultry types are not the chicken ordinance would then maintain its current scope would be to proceed with both of these regulatory documents has presented poultry species except for chickens would be regulated by the bylaw chickens be regulated by the ordinance if the board adopts and moves forward with the ordinance so if the board chooses to make a substance change the bylaw amendment in this case relating to poultry there is a process being to be take place it would need to go back to the planning commission at that point for comment from the planning commission and then go back to the board we checked with the town attorney last week and the board would have the option it could separate the issues here if the board was comfortable with the other pieces of the bylaw amendment relating to breweries and barns the board could move to adopt those pieces but then exclude the sections pertaining to poultry at that point the board either tonight or at a future meeting could suggest could make language changes for the poultry section that's the planning commission for comment after that comments received a new public hearing to be warned at that point and it could be in parallel with the adoption of the ordinance that piece of the bylaw could be amended and the ordinance adopted that cover that process right Ken essentially you know because the bylaw amendment it's not a single amendment it's a collection of amendments so essentially you're just sort of setting it aside you're not deciding on that issue tonight you're continuing that to some point into the future and then you can decide on whatever issues that you think you're ready to decide on tonight and then if there is a change propose change to what the planning commission has drafted at that point you would need to send it back to the planning commission but just setting it aside wouldn't necessarily trigger that I'm reading into this that's not going to be recommending something but it sure sounds like you're recommending the latter what we just talked about I just think to date the board hadn't discussed kind of that broader issue of poultry regulation so if it's passed as is then someone would be allowed to have chickens ducks geese turkeys on a lot undernaker in size and board hasn't had a discussion if that would be it's an intent with this or not yet so it's something for the board to consider policy discussion that Eric and I had was just simply a question of whether or not you're ready to move to take action on that issue and if you are that's great but I think as Eric said we were anticipating that perhaps you would want some additional discussion before voting precipitated the broadening of the discussion poultry we had requests from citizens about allowing poultry or chickens to be farmed in other than the zone districts that they can right now right I understand that but I mean broadening it to ducks and turkeys and urban requests I was working on drafting the language on the ordinance and I got into looking into the definition of poultry and I kind of went down this path here so allowing turkeys to because of the definition we would have inadvertently been allowing ducks and turkeys as well as chickens if we even went there so it's really just an observation on your own good catch one of those earth shattering revelations I think we had sort of a consensus earlier in discussions on this to not go forward with bylaw change until we had ordinance in effect as well on the chickens yes would you entertain a motion then I would indeed I've moved to adopt amendments to the Wilson and Unified Development Bylaw as presented excluding sections 20.10.2.1 through 20.10.2.4 that relates to female second all those in favor of the motion say aye aye the opposed the abstentions so we have passed the bylaws that we have been dealing with so far tonight so let's move on to the public hearing then for the sewer allocation ordinance for attachment A to 24 vsa chapter 59 and section 4 of the town of Wilson sewer allocation ordinance the Wilson select board is adopting amendments to the sewer allocation ordinance referred to as attachment A an existing ordinance pertaining to the allocation of public sewerage upon adoption this attachment will designate the portion of the uncommitted reserve capacity that will be available for use during the next fiscal year which starts July 1, 2018 the public hearing on this matter is scheduled over Tuesday May 1, 2018 at 8 p.m. in the Wilson town all meeting room so Ken again if you would give us a brief outline of what we're planning on doing tonight yes so what's in front of the select board is a schedule or a table of portions of the towns available sewer capacity that would be available for allocation during the upcoming fiscal year this is an annual process that the select board engages in it's preceded by an analysis of the amount of capacity we have data pertaining to flows projects development proposals and projects that are in the pipeline etc and then there's a proposal for how much literally how many gallons per day of sewer capacity should be placed in various criteria for potential allocation during the upcoming fiscal year so this is a public hearing on the attachment A is there anyone who wishes to speak on the sewer allocation ordinance seeing no hands raised then a motion to close the public hearing will be in order second is there any discussion on the motion all those in favor of closing the public hearing I opposed and then moving on to item number 10 is to consider adopting the attachment A I've moved to adopt the amendment to the sewer allocation ordinance attachment A is presented there's a second there's a discussion on the motion I'll try to be brief bear with me please if I get too long nudge me I have this con did I say that word right tonight with this because hopefully you've heard me say I think the process we use with attachment A is a very good process it's a very robust process my problem is that when we had that use that wanted to get an allocation under the encouraged specific development I just have real trouble with that not real trouble but I just have an issue with that and so thus I have an issue with how attachment deals with that specific category it had nothing to do with whether that nothing to do with that particular use it was a hotel it had nothing to do with whether I thought it should get sewer allocation just that we gave it an allocation under a encouraged specific development category where it's supposed to show some sort of a unique characteristic that furthers the town plan and I just really couldn't see it with that use or no more so than some uses that we probably wouldn't have given an allocation under such as retail so that's my problem and so my condronum is is do I vote against it because of this one issue or relatively small one or do I vote against it because even though I have this one issue a relatively small one I agree with the with the overall process and so any words of advice would be encouraged my inclination is I'll probably vote against it because of that no further discussion on the motion hearing none all those in favor of the motion say aye aye any opposed aye no abstentions so the motion carries 4-1 and we'll move on to then the Catamount license agreement and we do have some information that's been provided by Eric and by Melinda I believe regarding questions that seem to be resolved at this point if they want to welcome back so Eric yes so I just wanted to go over some of the remaining proposed changes to the license agreement starting with section 2 so I don't think that this was discussed at previous meeting but I think there was kind of a general sense that there was some uncomfortableness around the term of the license so I guess it is a question for the board you know whether you want to go back to parties proposing a 5-year term instead of a 10-year term we had some discussion about that way back a month and a half ago or so I don't think we came up to a consensus agreement on whether we wanted to have something different than a 10-year term I thought several of us thought 5 years was better but I have maybe a procedural question so one of the problems I guess I have with the way we're proceeding here is that we provide feedback and some portion of the changes get made and then we get the license agreement back and some portion of them are changed and I hear Melinda using words like the remaining requests for change and I don't think they're embodied in the current document at all so we haven't kind of gone through all the issues that were brought up and I think I sent to list you Terri as our chair kind of indicating these are the areas I think we need to focus on but in lieu of that it feels like this process is going to go on for a very long time back and forth you haven't changed this please go back I was talking to court and court knows I'm just talking as a single person not a select board member but trying to come up with a way that we can make this go faster and agree on it so one of the things we didn't do up front that is set down a set of policies that the select board approved to negotiate an agreement to because we started to negotiate an agreement before we got the input or set down any in fact I go back and I read the the forest committee charter and I'm actually flabbergasted as to how we ended up here because the forest committee charter talks about make recommendations and how we'll maintain make recommendations and how we'll pay for it and then we have a license agreement with all the conclusions drawn already but I thought if the select board could go off and agree on what policies we wanted to see reflected in the agreement it would at least give you some direction and court actually wanted to have like you had an original MOU that evidently was never signed from talking to the catamount of our family center VP they were certainly running by that MOU coming up with something like that from the board and that's what we expect from town's ownership's rights the rights of the town is willing to provide some kind of a program provider the town's fiscal responsibility because that seems one of the snags as well and the town's oversight of a provider and caretaker and come up with and I don't know if the rest of the board is willing to go there or not but it seems like unless we set down that we want reflected in the license we're going to go back and forth so we've been through the document a couple or three times and we've had some comments and some agreement as to things that we wanted to have changed in the document which were accomplished and we have a list now of some of the things that staff has questions that we have discussed as to whether or not we want to have in the document or not I mean we I don't think we've gone through it carefully I don't know whether our two attorneys have I've gone through it statement by statement and there's a ton of stuff in there that I don't think reflects the town's best interests so from an ownership perspective from a from the town investing $600,000 in the property interest so and again we've heard your comments in the past well actually we haven't we actually haven't gone through them all I actually have provided them but I kind of expected the town staff to do something with them I did provide them to the town staff as I mentioned in the last meeting we had but very little of it made its way into the agreement and I didn't really get a response on all the other comments I mean the first one and the one that Ted brought up at the last meeting was the exclusive license to the property very first thing we mentioned that that wasn't changed in the agreement we just saw so our view wasn't changed because that was consistent with the feeling of the majority of the board members maybe we misinterpreted that but that's about three of us were on the same point from the last meeting I mean do we I guess we could that's why it seems like if it's left to interpretation like that maybe we should go through each and every statement and look at what we agree and disagree on because it doesn't feel like the we're actually getting to all the points I mean you talked Terry we went through it three times we came to some people's attention that we were giving this exclusive lease to the property to somebody else not of the town right so and not just the trail system but the entire property so so we I don't think we have the time to do that tonight we can set aside a particular time frame to have meeting especially designed to set aside or whatever is necessary to go through this more or less line by line to find out whether there's agreement a majority of the board members as to the comments made so in the alternative way and that is to come up with sorry I didn't make copies but to come up with a set of policies that we want to see reflected in the license so we don't have to go through the 50 pages or however many pages it is look for every little net in the agreement we set a set of policies that reflect what the town wants out of the agreement which is also with the VP of the COFC why he wants the COFC see wanted to see and that was basically an update to the MOU what are we trying to accomplish here we both agree on that the agreement should be easy seems like in general maybe this is a topic for a retreat but it seems like we're missing this kind of process right because having this come at the end of a year of negotiation certainly has got to be upsetting to the people who have been doing it for a year but it's equally upsetting to somebody who's not been engaged in it or informed about it and we're supposed to be the people making the policy that being said a couple things pretty standard on how negotiations go I mean one side or both draft an agreement and then you start going through it and pulling things out and making recommendations and editing it so I mean you got to start somewhere I don't have a problem with the agreement being made so I would only say just having been in business I can't go out and in my position create an agreement with another company without having some boundaries and guidelines I work in I'm allowed to sign for so many million dollars I'm allowed to do this I can't give away I can't give away things that I don't have the ability to give away I think the same thing in the town staffs situation they gave away things that I don't think they were unable to give away well nobody signed anything right but from an agreement perspective the brutal truth is that these people as hard working as they've been and as you know much energy as they put in it have no power that's up to us we haven't voted on it yet so these are all recommendations they're not exactly right I was just talking about the process we go through to make it so that when it comes to us we have something that reflects what we would set down as policy what we want to see out of the agreement and we could go through these things line by line because I have a lot of them let me ask what is our deadline on reaching a total agreement with both the contract and the licensing agreement so the trust public land got an extension with the McCullis the trust public land got an extension with the McCullis until June 30th for agreement from the select board the McCullis Catamount Door Filming Center Vermont Land Trust and Vermont Housing Board on the easement and the license and just to make one point the committee has reviewed the license they reviewed it in was that December I believe so and they pretty much said it looked pretty good to them and they were interested to hear what the select board thought the forest committee the Catamount Forest Committee reviewed it previously and gave their comment just as somebody who looks at contracts frequently it's not written in the town's best interest it's not just in one little place it's all over the agreement the town comes second in just about everything and I know you've added this section late section about arbitration but I don't know how that's going to work so I probably wouldn't agree with the characterization I don't think that the town I'll say two things back I don't think the town's interests aren't being preserved by this there are significant things that I want to talk about think about and maybe change maybe not but the other thing is that you know this as I view it and maybe I ask Rick this specifically I understand the structure of this agreement well first of all true or false we do not have a signed purchase and sale agreement we just got a draft of that within the last couple of days and I sent it off to legal counsel for you this licensing agreement is part and parcel of the overall deal that we're having and the town has some negotiating power it has some influence but it doesn't have total power and it doesn't need to think worry about its influence because this doesn't have to necessarily happen and like in any negotiation I go back to when I was on the school board negotiating with the teachers union you know you're talking about a base increase in salary but you're also talking about healthcare benefits and you're also talking about vacation time and it's all merged into one final agreement and people might not agree with this or that specific but it's an entire agreement and this is part not entirely but this is part of the entire deal that does not necessarily have to happen the momentum is that it will happen I think it will I think everybody wants it to happen so it's very likely that it will you know a lot of unpredictable things happen in these situations it doesn't necessarily have to happen so I've been reviewing this in the mind of that you know nobody has to finally agree with this we don't have total power to tell the sellers this is the thing that we want in the licensing agreement and if you don't agree to it well too bad because they can walk away absolutely and so I mean that's a thing I would recommend though would it make sense for us to review your policy statements and your line by line issues but perhaps by way of either in addition to the minutes so that everybody can see them and they'll be public rather or by email that could be also part of the attach could also be part of the public can we do it that way just I'm wondering this is like making sausage and it's never pretty and it's also very time consuming and I don't know that this meeting is going to be a time to go through it line by line and address these issues I'm perfectly okay with that sending them by mail I have shared them with Terry and I have shared them with Rick my markups this I came up with as a result of talking to court to try to come up with you know what are the what's the foundation of what kind of agreement we want to have and I think the foundation of the agreement is based on the MOU now which is you know three of us agree with that then we're all fine but I don't agree with the current say that again the current so my interpretation I'm sure I'll be corrected if you think otherwise my interpretation of the way they've been working so far is that the town is acquiring this property for the purposes of continuing the catamount outdoor center you know with the exception of allowing pedestrians on the land but basically buying it for catamount that was kind of the if you read the MOU that was kind of the the onus of the town doesn't have the ability to manage the property it's already overwhelmed and there's a bunch of words in there about those kinds of things doesn't have the funds and therefore our goal is to is to you know basically buy this property and you know close a license agreement with the catamount outdoor family center which by the way if I look at the it's not what that says either that's from did you get a copy of the MOU? no I would actually like to copy I provided that to Rick the memo of understanding that went out that's not a document that exists I mean it's a draft that was prepared at some point we can provide it the town provided it to the catamount outdoor family center it was an MOU between it was a draft it was never signed it was never even agreed to it's hard to go using that but if there's elements in that that the board wants to see I mean I I'm only suggesting that I believe the license is consistent with that view from the MOU that's what I'm suggesting whether you want to see the MOU I can provide it to you but I think I can send a copy to everybody can't I? please the whole idea of coming up with policies is to make this process easier I mean we can go line by line which is fine with me too I don't think it would take more than an hour but just coming up with those things that we want to see out of the agreement town's ownership rights what rights are we willing to give up and give it to a care provider a program provider our fiscal responsibility and the oversight and it seems like I would very much like to see your sure we would all appreciate having that to send to us as well give them to the point I'm going to bring up right now and the part I'm struggling with is this seems to me to be a balancing act and what I mean by that is we have the license agreement and what the town and what the town should expect if you will or maybe can expect when it purchases land versus on the other side is as Ted said the other party can just walk away and losing this I don't know what to call it losing the deal and I guess my point is is that the license agreement may not be the ideal license agreement that we would all like to live with if we were buying a town force let's say from a different owner or different place in town or what have you but we've got to be careful here because in the sense that if we demand too much and are unyielding in those demands we may very well never see catamount have any sort of town ownership and I just want to be careful as we move ahead that we aren't losing sight that you know on the other hand I don't want our ownership of the land to be so restricted that it I look at it as looking out for the residents that's why I thought if we could there's five of us right we come and we look at these things and say we want and there's five that I've come up with I mean people more experienced maybe have different sets of other items or can add to the list but it seems like everything that we want out of this agreement is embodied kind of in that is embodied in when you said well in terms of a set of policies right here are the policies where we're looking we're looking from this for this agreement to define let me ask a question of Rick and Eric or you folks also did this agreement start with that sort of I don't know how you started an agreement per se but did this agreement start with you know just some core ideas that what's that? The MOU well but the MOU was never signed so it couldn't have really started with that I guess I'm or did it start with some you know hard and fast language that one side proposed and the other side react well the provisions are all pretty much standard provisions when I say provision I mean the general categories so you know that's what you start with and we get a proposal from one side you get a proposal from other you end up cooperizing with the wording and so there was a lot of back and forth on it just like in any set of negotiations and typically in negotiations when you're done both sides are unhappy with the results of course Chris Roy and then you know you generally have a pretty good agreement and that's the general rule of thumb when you have these types of things ideally you'd like to have both parties totally happy but then you have situations where that's going to happen but you want both parties to be reasonably comfortable with the result regardless of their level of unhappiness so that's you know it developed and as we were negotiating we also said clearly this is subject to review and approval by the select board and that was clear all along and we reached an impasse at one point because of the five year term we stuck hard to that and then we had a meeting with Jim and some of the others and you know they insisted ten year term and I said well I'll take it to the select board but we're not happy with it and you know so that's kind of how that evolved Question or comment I'm originally Chris I have a little bit of a hard time with acoustics in this room I may have missed the answer to my question but to follow up to Ted's question on when is the deadline my question is what's driving it Originally in part of our agreement with the McCullis is we wanted to set a deadline for negotiation of the conservation easement and of the license so that we didn't get to two weeks before closing after trust for public land spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in staff time and survey and title and environmental and all the other associated costs with this project and then not having a license agreement work out between the town and Gadmahal Door Family Center and have to kill the project after we'd spent a lot of time on it so we wanted a shorter term deadline to be able to get all parties in agreement on both the conservation easement and also the license and the easement has been close to done for a couple months and you guys reviewed that back in September or October and that is part of the person sale agreement which I sent to Rick earlier this week that includes both agreement to the easement and kind of a license wherever that license happens to be at the time you're reviewing I know you said before and forgive me that I forgot that you're anticipating closing date for this we had hoped to close by the end of June this summer and I think at this time that's an impossibility are you looking at closing this summer at some point or you don't we'd love to I know it's contingent on the licensing but I mean with the rest of it yeah I know there's definitely lots of other moving pieces that we need to wrap up but I would hope that we can close by September on the on all the other pieces that we should have handled the board wish to proceed to come to some kind of agreement we're going to get some information from Terry is it a minimum at least three of us want to save up the items okay great I wasn't you know just trying to answer for anybody but I'll send those to Rick and can we allocate some time then for discussion I think we need to have a special meeting I hate to mention that but really the board has a full agenda for other bunches of issues coming up in later this month May 15th meeting is jam packed the meetings in June these ones pretty packed the other one maybe not so much but I still think that it might make sense to reserve some time and I mean by time a separate meeting you want to tackle the management plan review at the same time because that's ready and we should be able to also have the legal review of the purchase and sale agreement ready to go what about the easement the easement document that's already been reviewed by the board have we approved it or don't we approve it you do but it's part of the package the board said that it was fine with that right for us to really do this justice I think Rick has suggested and I agree a special meeting to do just this I usually reserve Tuesdays all of them next week would not be good for me May 22nd perhaps so if we can check your calendars those dates that would be helpful I'm fine May 22nd the answer is yes okay the reason why I let out that sigh is I'll be in Bennington the night before attending a select board meeting so select board is not going to be a no everybody's not going to have a warm and fuzzy feeling when I say select board at my house but that said obviously this is incredibly important it's like 22nd you supply the endless cup of coffee Jeff I didn't know we had an open relationship that you're seeing other select boards I'm not once again I'm not sure how to respond so I think we can move on and we'll try to resolve all these things on the 22nd well in the meantime we'll get the information from Rick that we are looking forward to and go on there and what might be helpful because we're also going to be looking at the management plan yes purchase sale so we have a copy of the draft purchase and sale agreement is a little bit I'm sorry Terry I didn't mean to cut you off a little more cut and dry no nothing seems to be cut and dry I'm looking for a little relief here I guess my point was I think it's going to be incredibly helpful to have folks thoughts beforehand about what they like don't like about the agreement it might be the same about the management plan if you have concerns about the management plan let people know beforehand not to violate our open meeting just so the only issue I have is the open meeting we've got to make sure that we're not sending emails probably through me and that I can distribute to everyone because we won't be discussing them online you'll be setting it there are people who are obviously interested in this so I mean the emails would be public record but they're not posted anywhere so I want to screw so if people want them they contact you what I'm suggesting is if you have a list of things you can send them I'll make sure they're part of a package that's available to both the public and to all the board members thanks Rick alright thank you both thank you we're moving on to did we have a response from the patrice the patrice wrote a letter to our staff regarding the staff's response to her questions she has some questions and I think what we're going to have she's here but I was going to suggest that we meet the staff meet with her I think there's just some basic misunderstandings in a couple of points so should we ask patrice is this okay well the letter was not to us the letter was in response to the staff I think it's up to I copied you on it and addressed it to you as well we saw that but the letter you sent to us was in response to a staff's letter to you they should be the ones that are responding to you if at some point at some time there's an unresolved issue to you so I think it was signed her to respond we did we asked the staff to respond and they did you're not happy with the response and we're asking the staff to try to resolve that issue well that comes back to the select board at that point there's certainly some things that there's a disagreement on I'm sure that staff is not going to change your mind on some of the points you've made but there are some issues that I think there may be a little bit of misunderstanding we can clarify those I didn't say there wasn't I'm just saying that some of the issues were going to disagree on and I'm not saying that all of them are legitimate there's just I think it'll help to have a little bit better understanding of some of the issues if we have a little meeting and then you can certainly communicate the issues that you feel are unresolved or want to make a point on to the select board I guess it's 7 o'clock let's move on to then the keeping of chicken regulation and Eric has provided us with my memo and a new draft of the proposed regulation would the board like me to go section by section I've there's a red line version that you have and then I've summarized in the memo the changes I've tried to encompass from comments for our previous discussion it's okay with the board I think we just go with the changes that have been recommended so authority and purpose section this was part of my review when I was looking at poultry language clarified to specify the ordinance I've got some email chickens known as hens there was some discussion last meeting and I put this in here just for fabrication for discussion about having a notice posted once a permit had been issued for 15 days one piece of that we're thinking about after the meeting was the ordinance doesn't allow for an appeal for a permit itself so with that in mind is posting that a chicken permit was granted is that something the board wants to require within this ordinance just out of curiosity I'm trying to think of the 15 consecutive days when somebody gets a building or they're applying for a building permit zoning permit what is the what is the notification period for that 15 days that's where the 15 days came from 15 days thanks thank you no problem is the board okay with the language as drafted over the board any amendments in that section hearing no comments next section is exemptions this was probably the most substantive change after our last discussion so this would exempt all residential properties in town one acre or greater in size from the ordinance currently Currently in play right basically not changing the conditions for all other properties, right? We're not placing any more regulations on one acre and larger properties. Correct the further discussion for the bylaw would be looking for You know under an acre and that's what this ordinance something guys to Right here. So so it just to make sure I understand So somebody who has let's say 1.86 acres in the median density All the medium density residential, but you know that part of town Would they be able to have more than six chickens? Correct It wouldn't fall under the jurisdiction the ordinance at that point would be it would be governed by anything in the bylaw That is to say the bylaws been asked for further comment as well As this is written they wouldn't fall under this ordinance Okay Next section is number and type of chickens allowed This was changed to a quantity of six And also language change to specify chickens as hens and the quantity of six was based on the the conversation to limit to Under an acre in size. I got rid of the graduated requirement enclosures this was Changed due to public comment on this. I think language before was impenetrable And we've changed it to read preventative measures must be taken to restrict access and then just going along with I got rid of The other table just looking for 30 square foot maximum for Hens here and I can ask the questions I just want to make sure that that 30-foot structure still has to meet all setback requirements as required by the town so any structure Has to meet setback requirements If it's a structure for the keeping of livestock There are additional setback requirements If the property is less than one acre so in the RZD and the VZD 75 feet in the property line But even if it's outside of that, it would still have to meet the normal setbacks It's less than an acre and you have to have 75 foot setbacks for livestock Well, I'm just wondering what so You'd have to have a good-sized piece of property then to that's that's kind of where this is going I mean, I obviously I think I've made it pretty clear. I think this is a horrible idea But for so many reasons, I think it's just not a good idea in such a small area and that's talking with a lot of professionals who go This is not a good idea What my concern is no matter how well you build that structure you are going to have a rodent or other Problem it's absent. It doesn't matter how clean tidy and anything else you add That's that's what it is and then you're gonna end up with boxes Whatever other vermin wants to come in because they see your cute little pets and look like a great snack Those are things I worry about and if you've got four houses each with six chickens That can be an awful lot of stuff that's coming in and I won't jump to the next section But I'll just bring it up going on now. I see that the amount of waste you can have is three 20 gallon containers Where it was one before so like that is a huge amount of A potential smell compost whatever if somebody isn't doing this chick raising chickens It's not something you do lightly There's an art form to it and I I guess that's what I'm concerned about here is what we're opening ourselves up to with a Seem what seems like a great idea that long-term may not be such a good idea But I'll get back on it again 75 feet so a good distance right? I mean that's a It night, but you can have somebody complaining now that their chickens are outside their bedroom window But that's their problem. I mean, that's why it doesn't exactly we'll get a farm As you may recall in the proposed bylaw amendment it would accept the female poultry so the current bylaw says It's got to be the 75 foot setback for a structure for livestock the proposed bylaw amendment would Exempt female poultry. So if you had sheep and llamas and horses and whatever You'd still be subject to that 75 foot requirement but if the bylaw amendment is approved and You approve this chicken ordinance poultry ordinance Then it would be the standards that would apply to that so that so that so female poultry would be exempt from that 75 foot Right or whenever it is I forget there's is there are there different numbers for the back and side 25 in the back maybe and Thinking just from a practicality standpoint. You'd exclude a good amount of if you have a house in the middle of your property Storage section I change this based on conversation and comments from the public last meeting regarding In the methods used with the they and I sent it to someone who was there to make sure I had captured What they had what they had communicated. Um, let's put it in there to capture that resident comment Yeah, I would agree way too much. I didn't think it was a necessary thing. I think somebody was explaining how they did it But the problem And the other thing to think about guys is one 20 gallon container is not enough for six chickens for any like the time So can you see where this is not a very feasible thing? The way we're trying to do this This was talking with somebody Any feedback from the other towns who do this like South Burlington or I've reviewed their ordinances and putting these together and theirs didn't go into this level level detail in places I'm wondering if we got in like Telling us we're crazy to go pursue this, you know, we're having so many problems Oftentimes these things start as great school projects that once the project's over the interest isn't there That's my fear that and because the public is not been adequately educated to What can go wrong if you mishandle those chickens and the spread of diseases and everything else you'd be better off Doing this in cooperation with a farm somewhere And if you have six houses in a row that decide they all want their six chickens That's 36 chickens and the way this is written What another however many gallons of chicken that are sitting in a very small area And you can't tell one house. I'm sorry. You can't have it because we gave three to the others You can't you can't limit your permits that way because then then you've got a whole discrimination thing So you have to look at that if everybody decides they want to do this You have to look at the end result not just the one or two people that might want to do it But you can't leave you we There's nothing in here limiting right the number of houses in a row or I'm just trying to understand what you're But I would agree Eric on the three containers. I'm not sure I mean we compost and we have one barrel, you know one of those rotating things We're going to go back to the one container and allow the composting claws in here Chapin knows what he's doing He's incredibly good at this stuff and I would consider him an expert at it most other people That's a whole learning curve that I don't know that I want to see happening in the middle of the Town that's me. That's my designs So right now you can have any volume of food composting Essentially that that you want as long as it complies with our zoning But if you had I have two composter You know, that's what I need and that's for a family of three right now I assume that's going to exceed three times 20 gallon containers I'm just I'm just exploring how would that be different than somebody who has chicken manure and They're trying to You know manage it the best way I don't know what the best way to you know, they might choose to manage it They might compost it they might I Don't know what else you could do with that on property If you don't have somebody doing it well the smell is going to be horrible not to mention The flies and everything else that I'm worried about the person who doesn't know what they're doing That creates a nuisance and then you start having all kinds of issues And because the parameters are so long to stop this I just I'm sorry I just don't think the middle of town is where you should be doing this kind of an activity Composting I'm fine that that's a whole different discussions Question differently and I'm I'm I'm I'm don't read anything into this. I'm just exploring a little bit It's permissible to have for instance six cats six dogs six So I guess I'm trying which have the same issues with you have excrement to get rid of How how is this? Different Successful poop you need at least they're close to six chickens So that's going to be more like the number if somebody agrees to do it They're going to do it. It's pretty few and far between that somebody has more than one or two dogs and you know, I think Dogs do not create as much waste as chickens and they don't create the same issues So I think they're they're they're apples and oranges or perhaps they're chickens and dogs Jay But you know as joy was just pointing out you could literally have you know six houses in a row that those for some reason six people was six cats or six dogs or Whatever else choose to live in the same If there was an issue with that then we would have the authority to hold hearings on it and pass an ordinance and deal with it But it doesn't seem to be an issue Okay I'll be honest. I'm not I'm not opposed to the chicken ordinance Because the ordinance has some teeth in it that say we can Mean I like the idea that we modeled it after what I guess I'm making the assumption and maybe it's a bad assumption Something that's working right from other towns South Burlington being one Maybe it would be good to get some feedback To find out whether they have any issues with this ordinance whether you know, we have I can follow up I mentioned it in passing at a at a Regional function with some folks from South Burlington. We did get into it very much I just kind of mentioned we were working on and I model mine after theirs. It's a pretty dense town, right? I mean in terms of Comparable, but it's not well listed of course, but you know we like them too I Can speak to some colleagues and the three composters? I guess with you know, I think that Probably the 20 gallons was modeled after the South Burlington And the person in the audience I forget her name talked about the way she composted I thought I didn't think it was Chapin on the Lynn Leven's was talking. Thank you. And I Don't know I'm not you know, I'm a minor league composter. So we have one We have one been and it's more than 20 gallons. I'm sure it's one of those big, you know, I Don't know about this. I don't understand the smell issue, but all those things are regulated, right? So if there is a smell issue we stop it Yes, but it takes time to stop that and that's like those are my concerns I think told me a few weeks ago that there was a state regulation regarding Storage of manure to you might want to check on that as well the other factor to throw in is we do have a compost for a Relatively large-scale compost facility located right here in town that I guess is an outlet for this material for you to Back of your little, you know mini car take to the compost facility Okay, let's so we have questions regarding that article Next section is enforcement down here So I've added language addressing a new sense time limits to find for correction of issues The public health or new sense I've I've put this to one day and that would be called out in the The violation notice put in What else that section And then I've added language here as if a public health and nuisance issue is not corrected within the day put in The town would have the authority to issue the panel the civil penalty up to the maximum amount allowed under the ordinance Start out here with a lot of teeth in this section But one board's feedback that if that's too far not far enough Who gets to do the enforcement I've shortened it the process to go to the the town manager or designee and essentially the manager Doesn't exit somebody else it gets the delegate And I've decreased the day limits was other feedback I had from the board to expedite this process These are red lines here One of the other things and the concern Also tied to a concern from joy was this idea that we were going to force or try to provide some education on this process that they shouldn't be taking this lightly that You know the inherent health risks and the processes and procedures Can't force people to be smarter Permit fees to be more expensive so that it wasn't If you wanted to do this, you're not just going to be able to get a permit So these are that I thought these permits prices were way too low because then But when a person comes in to apply for a permit, they should get some education Materials at that time you can't force a person to Read them or apply them, but at least you can give them the opportunity to learn What the safeguards are I don't think we really need to put that in the ordinance however, okay? The last section is enforcement appeals and that's where I was looking where I've shortened the process I put the language Right at the beginning where if it constitutes a threat to overall public health say if your welfare identifies the public People can't delay its mitigation and shorten the time To five days from 30. Yep first step one and then You know if they don't look out positioning an appeal it Her who would then send it to the select board and there would be a public public hearing essentially at that point I put the hearing shall be held within 20 days just thinking logically for for the time when it came in and the next board meeting Maybe coming up Those are those are the substance of changes based on the discussion from last time to certainly open up the board has other Other feedback for her for the work here And I am against this policy, but if it's going to move forward would anyone consider a higher fee I think that that is Important enough for what is being Would you suggest I was like Sort of a fee to do something I would sure be making sure I was reading everything the town was offering me and Going into this knowing that I had a big responsibility That they're getting in even that 50 I wouldn't be in favor of going higher But I think that it does send something of a message that what about 50 and 25 50 initial 25 renewal or yeah because The renewal isn't really the thing I'm worried about The message would be the initial decision But there's not nearly as much involved with your dog as there is with the chickens and and the things that you're getting into like the coop and disposal of waste and everything else I Guess I'm to be honest. I'm just not not seeing where The responsibilities that come with chickens might be that different than the responsibilities that come with owning Another type of the salamonella thread alone should be enough to and and every health person will tell you the biggest Carrier of that is children and baby chicks. It's so common but I'm sure there's Dogs can't be for instance, I just pick on dogs. I don't know why but Can't be immune from these types of you know Bacterial type infections you can pick up from your dog Then you can from chickens and other animals So dogs are more expensive because you have to go through the vaccination process to make sure that There are today on the rabies at least the rabies shots So Just still I'm not I'm not seeing it. I the need for this This permit to be more expensive than other animal permits in town That's yeah, that's my opinion It was already twice the dog permit, right? One and a half times 13 so it's not twice it was 20 It's more than the dog, but Not as much as some people I appear to you don't want it to be or feel it should be So I've heard the possibility of putting a $50 fee for the initial permit and leaving The renewal at 10 is your consensus 50 to 25 50 and we have 50 and 25. Do I hear? Consensus on that Looks like we have four out of five anyway that would go for 50 I think so because I just make maybe keep people out of the science experiment They'd have to do it passionately wanting fresh eggs from their own chickens So it looks like we have two things that need to Be adjusted before we actually send this to a public hearing Did we agree on the manure on the We're saying we're gonna get more information regarding the Number of containers and also the composting. Thank you. Thanks. I'll gather information the board Thanks for all your work. Thank you. So let's go on to manager's report We finally got your quarterly report in there Getting the most recent numbers on the local option Hopefully by your next meeting, but I know I get it just about the 15th our next meeting is on the 15th There's no guarantee on that one, but anyway Police staffing I wanted to make a Board had asked about this recently and the chief has made some progress. He's hired two individuals. Oh Great them scheduled to go Well, he's working on trying to get them scheduled to go to the academy There aren't a lot of openings in the academy. So we're struggling with trying to fit them in and No kidding with with the hiring problem. You had issues with the academy now Other communities are maybe there was a sudden rush of applicants there. I don't know the reasoning but in any case We'll work around it We may have to get them some preliminary training and do some of the field training before they can go to the academy and then They go to the academy and they'll be close to being ready once they get You have one Graduating from the academy next month and then he'll have to go to the field training process Yet a good news for the police department is we have an administrative assistant that's been hired and Is starting work in the couple weeks, right? She was very very happy about that Let's see you the solid waste district budget the board The district board has approved the budget and now it goes to the each of the communities The problem is Boards agenda for May 15th is so I Told the district that we couldn't really do it then but the problem is if we move it to the first meeting in June Then the board really doesn't have time if it's not going to prove it to That night to think about it and vote on it later. So you're kind of forced into either Either taking action or that night or not taking action at all, which then essentially approves it So I just raised that I can get the information to you on their budget probably later this week But Is that okay with you? It's the question if it isn't then we may have to schedule Either add this to the special meeting on the May 22nd or have a special meeting for just this So that's the problem Oh, yeah, you would still have that you still have that okay You just don't have time to think about it and vote on it two weeks later Yeah, and and that's actually something I prefer when possible I'm raising this because this would not allow for that on the other hand Typically the board does approve it the same night that it's presented But I don't want it. I didn't want want to make that assumption. So is that okay to do that? Yeah, I think it is. I think having this on the special meeting That meeting is going to be jammed as it is and and it's going to hurt our ability to focus on that on the catamount issues For lack of a better word Well, we'll proceed with that then and then finally there's a something inside of my written report. I'm going to ask Eric to address briefly. Yep. We have an opening for the DRB alternate And John Benzunis who used to serve on the DRB has expressed interest in that position speaking with planning department staff, it's It's very helpful to have someone in that alternate role who is familiar with the processes of the DRB If there need to be called upon to sit in and vote to have a quorum for those meetings Staff is prepared to bring that recommendation forward for an appointment at the next board meeting I wanted to check into the board to see if it would be amenable to that process and Different from other positions where we would tend to advertise it more widely in the community I want to raise that to the board tonight We are we thinking about interviewing him as well Yep Well, since he's been there before and the board in tech the board's already interviewed and appointed him and then he retired from the DRB but They certainly can have him in front of me if there's a different select board than this select board. Yes, that's correct. That's true I Just think it's a good idea with any candidate to my personal opinion to interview them We can raise that and the only but again the difference is that we wouldn't be advertising for this and is the board okay with that? I I don't I I just think we have to be as open Open so that anybody can Yeah, no, I Just said it was just from a time limit But why wouldn't we advertise is it because we could say in the posting that you know as an alternate experience is weighted heavily and And put a time limit on it a short time limit Is there a reason why we wouldn't because it's not like we have 20 applicants for every position We have a couple. No, but interestingly enough. We seem to be having at least two Good though. Yes, it is it makes it makes it more different our jobs are more difficult My question would be directed more to the planning staff because This could I don't know what this would create a problem as far as them having a quorum at an upcoming meeting or not But maybe if there's no issue at all, then it's not a problem Sure, we were going to have a quorum at our last year meeting and one of my staff people said Should we send out a package to John Benzunas didn't you say he he was interested in being the alternate they said well He did but he hasn't been appointed yet. So So, you know It's just like with the select court You can't always predict well in advance when you're going to have a challenge achieving a quorum You know something comes up in somebody's life. That's unforeseen And then you have a scheduled vacation or some work, you know, the usual things come up Someone re chooses themself right an application comes up and You know some one or more you board members as a neighbor to the project or it's on the board of the association or as a business interest or whatever the case may be so It's Utilize the alternate Episodically and sometimes it seems like there's a cluster of times and then Put an expedited Advertisement a one-week advertisement for the position and then we can take up the issue at the next board me Thank you, I'll post something tomorrow. Okay Thank you. That's all Is there any other business before we go into executive session tonight? Yes, one thing when I was signing the warrant. I noticed what there was an expenditure on the Brennan barn. Oh, yes and I Know we there's been a Historical discussion about that. Should we save the barn? Is it worth saving? We So I guess my my quit and maybe just address this at a later meeting But two things I'd be interested in is what is the current sort of thinking of what's the best thing to do with the barn? You know how to what kind of maintenance should it be getting? Next is you know, what's the what's the future of the barn? I Don't have an answer in the future because the Board and staff don't have any clue as to what we can do with an old bar Historical points It certainly it has elements that are very unusual in the way it was constructed the repairs were pretty minimal and I struggle with that too, you know, but Since we haven't decided to just tear it down I said, alright, we'll invest a tiny bit more money just to keep it. I didn't mean to imply it was a lot of money I know that but I'm just I had when I was had that expenditure presented to me So a number of years ago and there was a group of individuals who wanted to save the barn and About $30,000 was appropriated out of our budget at that time, which is what we're using I think right now to do the The repairs on it part of the reason to save it was because of the Fixture the joint inside the barn if you've read the free press article a few weeks ago You'll find that there are several barns in Williston that have exactly that type of a joint One of them is the Isham bar and there's a couple others in town that have it as well So let's think at that some point in time. We should talk about the future of the barn That's what we want us with what we want to do with it whether it to tear it down or do something else Is that on the historic registry probably? It's from down on not on historic register at this point Think it might be a historic I would presume that there is but anyway Thank you. And is there any other business before we go into executive session? Hearing none, then there is a suggested Motion for executive session