 My last question, you probably could speak to the LGBTQ community of this country. What I'll say is, number one, I'm not a moral arbiter. That's number one. Number two, I don't hate anyone. I hate seeing the way I call out guys who steal the way I call out. Even if you listen to my songs like Vanity, Vanity is like a song to rebuke whatever is happening in society at that moment. So, I've been doing this. It's not like this is the first time I'm picking such a cause. I've been doing this since then memorial, since I started doing gospel music. And I don't hate the sinner. I hate the sin. Sin is here. Sin came to the world through one man and Jesus Christ came and died on the cross for us to receive life and life in abundance. So, what I'll tell you is, I'm here. I can pray for you if you want to change your ways and receive Christ as your personal savior. Because I believe all of us, we have a purpose here on earth. And our purpose is to serve God and to serve God in truth and in spirit. And we can only do that when we follow what the Bible says, how the Bible declares the root that we should follow. And as a gospel musician, as a pastor, as a believer, I'm here to talk to you. If you need any help, I can offer help. The only help I can offer is to lead you to Christ. I don't hate the sinner. I hate the sin. What's up? Niko salama. Eh, tube fika kwa office unanembo lingia pa 6 a.m. Ya, miwa muka virial in the morning, go to the office. Nafanya meetings angu mubini tatu before nian desa easy meetings. But most importantly, virial in the morning, I must come to my office. Nian gade bejara indole aje, vitu zangu zindole aje, then from there. Nia kufi kasa sabasa nanasa nanda kumitima beshte. Nia niyuna jua this is more or less like a confirmation that mziki pekiakini kama you can't survive with it. No, mziki, it depends because I always say music is very... Okay, kamu kutalenti nanda kufanya mziki, music is a career that you can pick, a career path that you can pick. But eventually unafaku jua where are you headed? For me, I treat music as special purpose vehicle. We call it in business we call it SPV, a special purpose vehicle. If you go, lazima ujue inanda kufungu liyemi nangu gani na kupelikawa api. So at the end of the day, number one, for me, I'm a minister of the Lord. So I preach the gospel and preaching the gospel is very important because I must win souls and souls must be won. At the same time, when now music na ukshari toa kwa, your spiritual aspect na undaku iski, atu kama entertainment. It's a very different ball game altogether. So my advice, kwa luanda kufanya mziki, mi mziki yungu manadyu, mi na kufanya mziki yungu because in ministry and all that. But at the same time, you know my brand. So if you know my brand, my brand Daddy Owen, I use my brand Daddy Owen kuni fungu liya so many doors kufanya so many businesses out here. So every time that I come along, I'm saying kigongan isimam Daddy Owen, of course, sometimes mu kwa na yu blessing na pata, yu bees by the virtue just am Daddy Owen. But uki yungu liya ata majuu if you go abroad and all that. Even great musicians who became businessmen, if you look at their list of revenue, how they make their revenue, how they make their money. Through the revenue list, you will discover, even a good example is people like 50 Cent Jay-Z and all that, you will discover that music royalties and music passe in aku jakama no. 10, no. 11 up. But at the same time, kuju kama no. 1, revenue maybe in zakuwa, maybe you own a team, among you've invested in digital technology and all that. Ata kama umi invest in those things, people embrace your product by the virtue you have a brand name to it. So kumia kama easy. I always say easy is the loser mostly because it's Kanye West. So as much as he became a billionaire, he became a billionaire not because of music, he became a billionaire because of the product that he brought to the market. But he tagged the product upon his brand. So eventually his brand as a musician, he's a product, aku joku zi market ku zi sell, and he became a billionaire. But also I believe also it's about credibility because sometimes people want to engage with people who are credible. So if you feel like your brand is on the line, then they feel you're credible, then they use you. Credibility is very important because by the virtue of office, if you're looking for me, if you want to do business with me, you can see briefcase office, you can find me somewhere, you can come, sit down and have business discussion. So credibility is very, very important. We don't need discipline, credibility, all these things fall under one umbrella and that makes you or make your brand to be believable. Now you see, Owen we did, the last time I spoke to you like on an exclusive interview other than Zileza red carpet, it was like one year ago, October, just before you launched your album. And at that time I think you were very much single. We were having a different conversation. But just juzi juzi, I've been seeing, you've been looking for a traditional life. How would you describe your relationship with her? If she's my very good friend, she's just a friend. That's one thing that we joke about so much about, hey, what? Because the more you fight them, the more in a kelena, kanyukweli. But if she's just my very good friend, she's very bright, she's a serious business woman. Those are things that we've done about her. And she's one of those people who hosted with me when I was really going through SAF and then we became very good friends. And she's just my friend. She's just my friend. She's just your friend. But you see now with all these allegations or rather just people claiming you guys are together, what about the things you've done? What are all those claims that you've given to them, and what do you think? What do you think? What I've done is, I've been seeing that she's confused about me now. What's the problem? What's the problem? What's the problem? What's the problem? Because when she's just a friend, mamu usha zema yu looking for someone so maybe tu na jwe labdabadu kusoko no apart from what people see or such a media and all that we we we all all of us we have like our private lives so private life yakana yu apiana jo private life yango and all that so kuna friendship yu kuna boundaries yu kuna you understand so we're just we're very good friends but tuna tuna jua time yu kujok na time yu kua serious when you're doing business also ato easy ameni si si na fanizob yashara but at the same time to kia mou kujok kwa jinga suzumri datu na ato a jinga yeah like any oh when you're not pushing away other women because you see now when a woman sees that you have a bestie bestie jua takuna mahali muli kwa makua pictured i think it was a resort ili kwa ni kama you guys were together eh when you kama you know it can now what do i mean i am when you kama what to what a figure labda you're not serious you're looking for someone because there's this person you've been seeing with often but i'm i'm i'm seeing with so many people like for me me i'm seeing with so many people yeah of course i've been seeing with so many people mou kua yeah mou kua ni kama ni kama instagram awkwa ni owa ni pushi asaidiflani twitter kwa namtuao alatiya facebook kwa namtuao so it's more of where do you check so kama wana check more instagram uta pata more of if my nine all that but facebook kwa namtuao biya wongoma insist maybe that's the person so i hang out with so many people i hang out with so many people but eh she dami mou kua nayo wapu don't understand is just because you are in position even things that you're an extrovert but most of us were not extraverts we were very close knit like like kale ka inasako kaka a kama a kusumolu wa i kwa kubu asana so most of the time you hang out with the same people you don't you don't hang out with every term deke and hai so and is not because of anything else but even jesus had 12 So you just create a small click that you are always around with and it's important just for privacy and for you to be comfortable and to have friends who can call you out and tell you when you are messing up and when you are doing the right thing. I read somewhere that you said you know there is someone who is close but they are a friend right now they don't know probably but you are just about to shoot your shots. I think, I think, it's something that we are all supposed to be watching about. Soon we are going to discuss the story for sure, soon. Clearly we have connected you and on that issue, I'm just like, soon because there is some very big progress in we are making in our private lives so I don't want to mess up anything. Wadiwork What are your thoughts about these progress that D Michael has already made. Now let's get into the conversation that has made you as a trend in the past couple of weeks. It's a sensitive subject and the main reason is it's sensitive because it's not sitting right with some other people and other people are infu-wit like just you are. And this is the LGBTQ conversation. Fust even before we get into it. When you said that you don't stand for this movement, did you actually expect the kind of upright and the kind of reaction you got on social media? Okay. Somehow, I predicted, But there are others who, there are some remarks, comments, actions that have received zingeni kwa na shanga. Okay, why is it to this level? But at the same time, I've been in the music industry, I'm in this space for more than 20 years. So there are things which I know how to handle, I know how they can pan out. And I expected some resistance. And there are others who shocked me, of course. Like the moment Instagram sent me a long warning and all that, I was like, what is it for? Then they show you how your page has been reported and you wonder why people are reporting my page and there's nothing I've said that is, you understand? I'm just saying, this is my stand because you see, what I don't understand is everyone has their own stand. And I mean that my stand everyone should agree with, you understand? I'm a born again Christian. I do ministry through music and through preaching. I can't force anyone to get born again, you understand? Just because they don't get born again, I'm just because I have friends who are not born again on my page. I can't block them. I can't tell them, I can't talk to them, I can't give sanctions upon them. It's their own decision and I have my own decisions what I believe in and I'll preach. I'll preach what I believe in. And if I convince you, well and good. If I don't convince you, well and good, but I'll use my platform to preach. So I find it weird that the LGBT community, they always feel like if you are against what they believe in, then you're an enemy. Then they have to sanction you, then they have to block you. I don't understand, I don't get it. That's the path that I don't get. And at the same time, when they're talking about that, they always give out statements whereby they say, we want equality, we want our rights, we want acceptance, language, you accept the way we are and all that. But I'm like, why can't you accept me the way I am? The way I am is, I don't believe what you say is true. I don't buy that agenda, I don't even subscribe to that agenda. So please keep it away, whatever you're doing, just do it. But don't force it down our throats, you understand? By all over, you understand? All over trying to, on Netflix, on YouTube, on everything right now. There are any pushing that agenda to a level whereby they want to make you feel like this is the right way. Whereas I come from a point of view of this is wrong, we can't accept it. It's not what we believe it's right. And even society, most of the people in our society look at it and they're like, no, this doesn't sit well with our customs, with our beliefs and even the way with our culture. Now, I watched the conversation that you and the rest had on Lin Ngugi's YouTube channel and one of the ladies that was sitting actually just across, opposite across where you were was in the gentleman as well, was saying that you don't understand where they're coming from and I want to know, do you actually feel that you understand where they come from and that aspect of it is biological, do you believe that? Let me tell you something, homosexuality or the LGBTQ community or the agenda. Number one, they want to throw away religion, that's number one. Number two, they want to reject biology, you know what I'm saying? Because I always say, show me anywhere, biologically, in any mammalian biology, that this thing is real. They are confusing feelings, feelings to reality. They want to convert their feeling. It's like for you today you say you wake up, you feel like, I want to feel, I feel like I'm a microphone. That's a feeling, you know what I'm saying? And that's the most weird thing, that's the most weird thing because even the greatest biologist will tell you, the greatest scientist will tell you that if you die, if you come to that grave, 10 years from now, 20 years, 30, 40 years, the archaeologists when they dig that grave, if those are genocide around here, if they dig that grave, they'll discover their skeletons and once they do their scientific experiments and testing, they can only find two genders. It's either you're born a male or a female, even the Bible says it was male and female. So if religion supports male and female, biology supports male and female, where is this idea coming from, you know what I'm saying? And to a level whereby they are pushing it to a level whereby you feel like the temperatures are so high that you're being forced just to accept any facts because bring us facts, let's debate on facts, let's talk about facts. Don't talk about feelings because feelings and this is an example I always, this is an example I gave and I always give and they say I'm too radical, I'm not too radical, I'm just giving an easy example, this example. So just because someone works up in the morning and they say, oh I was born a man but I feel like a woman, so please understand my rights and understand how I identify myself as a woman. So from today believe and I want you to believe and to understand that I'm a woman. Fine, so tomorrow a thief will wake up and say, me I was born a thief, please respect my rights, I'm a thief. Yes, I discovered I was born a thief. The next day a terrorist will wake up, a terrorist will say, I've lived in this world for so many years, I think, I've looked back and I think I need to identify myself as a terrorist, I think I'm a terrorist, a bandit will wake up, a drug dealer will wake up, you understand, all of them they'll wake up, they'll go to the street and they'll start demanding their rights because they say maybe you were born a pastor, you were born a journalist, me I was born a thief, I was born a thief, I was born a terrorist, so please as a journalist kindly understand my rights. So you see there's a loophole that we are creating that if you don't still that loophole is going to create a very huge gap, a huge hole that in future maybe the next generation will wonder how did we even accept such things without any facts, just because you are loud it I mean you have facts, you understand, so America right now if you look at their content even on TikTok and everywhere right now they are fighting about pronouns about you should you should not call someone ahi or ahi without them declaring if they are, if I see you as you are a man and I see you are a lady and that's it. I'll define you as a she and that's it. So these things if we embrace and bring them here in Africa or in Kenya and I really commend what Seveni did to be honest I believe he did the right thing because Uganda is a sovereign nation, a sovereign state, they have their own constitution, they have their own president, they have their own beliefs and their own even their own traditions. So if they believe in their constitution that this thing is wrong, it's wrong, let's not debate about it, let's respect them as a sovereign nation. No you see you've compared this community with our terrorists, with thieves and these are people of course that are set to hurt, to harm and to destroy. Does it mean this is the same thing you view this community to do to the rest of the people? I've given an example, I've given an example as a microphone, you see the microphone I said if today you come and declare and tell me, oh and me today I feel like a microphone, that was an example you know what I'm saying, I've given a stupid example and an extreme example, I've just shown you how wide we can go with this belief kind of thing. So I've gone to the extreme of drug dealers, bandits, terrorists and I've gone to the other end of declaring herself that today you're a microphone. So it means even tomorrow your son can wake up and say I feel like a sheep, so please take me to a den. So those are just examples but you see these examples, one thing I've discovered is when I was called upon to help in the discussion about the family protection law, the bill that we are pushing now to go to parliament, that is in parliament right now, before you write up such things you must look at all extremes. So even when you're discussing constitution you must look at all extremes when people say they have a right to, what is the limitation to that right? So in that meeting you always bring the most stupid idea and the most extreme idea. So when you're projecting a law you must have those variables. So those are just law terms that I was using because if you're saying people can do this, you have a right too, what is the limitation to that right and what is something that you can say, this is an infringement to that right. Now you see the government has allowed this community LGBTQ to have their own companies and operate in Kenya, they've been allowed to do that. What are your thoughts about that? What they've been given is not companies, they've been given like a right to congregate. And when such loopholes come in, you see you need to go to the root of all this conversation. How did it start? It started when an NGO wanted to register the organization here in Kenya. So they went and they followed the whole procedure and they were told no this cannot happen because if you register you it means we are doing things against our constitution, against our law because in Kenya homosexuality is illegal. So these guys of course they went to high court and from there they went to Supreme Court. So it was left upon the Supreme Court to decide. So of course you know law, you can be very tactful about the law. So they became tactful and they say for them the organization is just for people can come and congregate together and the NGO of course have done research about that thing. Like one thing that people should know today. I'm not just talking from what I read on social media. Mine came from information that I was given before even this thing went to Supreme Court. So I had information even prior to all this. So by the time it went to Supreme Court I knew what these guys are saying and all that. In fact I was shocked how the Supreme Court ruled but eventually when you are in such battles you should not be shocked about everything. You just know some outcomes are bound to happen but that's when you're called upon to showcase what you believe in and understand for. That's why I'm very I'm very loud about this thing. For me it's about our culture, for me it's about our customs, for me it's about our ethos, it's about our posterity as a nation. Moso being a gospel musician and a born again Christian is about what I believe in as a Christian. So of course you mentioned about emotions and they are of course mentioning about the human rights. So in this case you do not believe there are any emotions involved. It's just a mindset sort of you know gaming that is going on. These people just don't know what they are doing. What is human rights in something illegal? Another same example I've given you. So if something is it has already been declared it's illegal according to our constitution and it goes back to my point. So if banditry is declared illegal the people who perform the banditry act they are humans. So can they go to court and say please protect our rights as bandits? You know what I mean? And that's the thing that that's the length I want us to look at when you're having this discussion. Already something has been in fact I don't know how even we have been such a discussion. Already something has been declared it's illegal. How do we even go back and start discussing about it's illegal? We found that it's illegal and I know before I was part of the guys who are called as the youth during our last drafting of the constitution and I remember there was a man or pastor I think he has done theology I can't remember his name but in that meeting the guy stood up and said we must be careful if we pass this constitution with this Mado Adoras we must be very careful but we were told there are things which we can amend in future and the church was lenient and they were like okay it's okay but we are still feeling like this thing should not go through and those things that the church prophesied or predicted at that time are the same things that are coming to hurt us because that time we agreed to pass it with those what we call the pengele and Mado Adoras we agreed because no I remember someone came and told us there's no kusuyoni this world that is 100 correct but as you go by we can amend it we can amend it as we go by so those things were not amended and that's those are the same things that are affecting us right now yeah okay now of course in the in the in a way to try to understand that whatever is happening in all this you know I also you know how to check the bible because um in the book of John where the Pharisees and you know Jesus the Pharisees brought this woman was charged with aldotary and and you know um they they were trying to discredit Jesus of course by just trying to see what he's gonna do to this woman and you know Jesus told them miss one who has not seen cast a stone first yeah so my question is where do we come in as Christians when it comes to judging people and you know casting stones because I've seen people tell you know you're not holy where are you criticizing these people where does this where do we draw the line okay as I love that was because that's the vast that everyone brings on social medium but the the million dollar question I always ask everyone yeah that's really that vast you see I love confirming if you read that story it's in fact the topic it's a woman caught in adultery yes so if you read the story they say teacher they said to Jesus this woman was caught in the act of adultery the law of Moses says to stone her what do you say so of course there's something that happened so many things happened there but most people who caught this vast they never go to them to the ending of the story no one goes to the ending of the story and the ending of the story is where everything is that's where the flesh is the ending of the story this is what it says when the accusers had this they slipped away one by one beginning with the oldest until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman where are your accusers didn't even one of them condemn you and then it goes this this this is where I want you to where to understand the woman replied no lord she said and Jesus said neither do I and seen no more this part so what makes according to your narrative what makes Jesus tell the woman seen no more so is Jesus a moral arbiter no no no no no no so it means when you see a sin you can rebuke it we were given the power to rebuke it and man I love that you put the Bible man so where is the difference between rebuking and casting a stone you see the difference is when you see someone doing something that is wrong you tell them whatever you're doing is wrong and also just did these guys wanted just to kill na mouze, nisha niya? Ewa jesu apama ujira tagu wa kiiha na mouze, hengu wanya hengu wuzi say, naunin uresu tdaisida naunin naunin hengu nisha naunin hingsu hingsu naunin nisha naunin kwa aksiside nisha bbqb hengu bbqb hengu wifu wifu naunin naunin nisha wifu mw response hengu Ña eina ulajo ulaza, yikwia yuye kanagahia kwenifumia. Shxiva mwa mwa mwa kwa mwa mwa mwa kwenifu wa mwa mwa kwa mwa mwa lako yunia. Sisa kwenif Ventu kwa kwenifu feia kwanifu ya herzi niíani, nama mwa kwa kwa mwa mwa mwa mwa lako. Kwa kwa mwa mwa mwa mwa mwa mwa mwa mwa mwa mwa mwa mwa mwa mwa. Ta nya mwa mwa mwa mwa mwa mwa mwa. So you rebuke with all authority and let no one disregard you. So for me, everything I'm doing, I'm doing it bibilikali. I'm a born again Christian. I might be passionate. If you read about John the Baptist, he was a very passionate preacher. He was like an evangelist who goes to the streets and shout and all that. So everyone has their tactic on how they approach this thing. For me, I approach bibilikali and of course I can be, I can, I've done a lot of research before I say anything. So whatever I'm saying, I'm not saying from a point of foolishness of lack of information. I'm quoting the scriptures and I've done research even scientifically. You know, with all this conversation now that you've been, you know champ spearheading on social media, did you have any expectations of other gospel artists joining in and helping you drive this motion? I saw DJ Mo give his stand as well on this particular issue. Did you expect that and what are your thoughts about them not condemning this as you'd wish probably? No, it's not an easy battle. It's a hard battle. And I would understand that some will shy off or fear to participate in it because I know the repercussions. I know to what level this thing can get you to. So I can't blame anyone. I can't expect everyone should follow suit and be this vocal and be, you know, I didn't expect that because I know the moment I wrote that first read I knew this is a long term thing. This is a battle. This is a war. I'm here in for the long haul. This is not something that you tweet today and then you disappear tomorrow. This is something that you're in for the long haul. It's a fight. It's a battle. And for me, I'm speaking as a parent and I'm fighting for my generation, my next generation. And I understand if they don't because the sanctions can be crazy. I understand you are at a level where you can lose your media account and I know so many artists and influences that what they use as their means to make money and all that. So I understand when they don't pick such a fight. For me, I believe I have a greater purpose than justice. So I'm willing to lose it all, but to win for my next generation. Okay, sounds good. Now of course you've mentioned that you've received threats here and there and I just want to know at any point do you sit down and just ask should I let it be? I feel like my information or rather the information I want out there is already out there and just stop it at that. I'm a one man army. Does it ever cross your mind? The threats can be crazy. The threats can be you receive calls, you receive messages, you understand them, all those things you will get. People will call you, they'll tell you, we saw you yesterday, you were aware, so I just know you're following you, you know what you're doing and I'm like, you know, wana sa uminim some time and you're going to get me as a politician. And then of course now to the grand scale to a level where by now you get like sanctions, you're being flagged by Instagram. That shows it can be taken to the higher level and then apart from that already have been, I lost a very big deal. I was working on a project and one of the NGOs that was supporting the project, of course they dropped my deal because of my stand. So I lost a very big deal just on my stand. But at the same time, I meet people in restaurants, I meet mothers, fathers who tell me, Dadioen, I don't have a platform like yours. I get calls from pastors, they're like, Dadioen, I don't have your courage, but whatever you're saying and whatever you're doing, man, if you need any support, just tell us. We believe in whatever you're doing and whatever you're saying. I get calls from single mothers who say my son is in school and there's something that is happening. He's behaving weird. I don't know how to approach it. Kind of don't stop this because I know he was influenced in school by someone. So please do not relent. And these are people just meet maybe in a restaurant I'm having lunch or dinner, maybe I'm just somewhere in the petosation or I just meet them and they're like, they call you and trust you me. I've gotten even calls from very, very, very influential people in this country. Just know I've gotten calls from very, very powerful and influential people in this country to support what I'm saying. They're like due to things here and there, we can't proclaim our stand, but at your level, do not stop. So I have support, like serious, when I tell you I have serious support, just know I have serious support. I saw you applauded the Kikuyu traditionalist that climbed up Mount Kenya to bring down the LGBTQ flag. Do you have any plans of meeting them and talking to them? I had that plan, but today morning someone tagged me in a tweet that the guy who erected that flag on Mount Kenya has declared that he's going to erect it again. So, and of course I was the target. That you answered your, I'm like, let's do this man. So of course now, that tweet has given me more purpose. You understand? Has given me now more morale to go and look for those Kikuyu elders. Yeah, I heard they were looking for fans and see what we look for those fans and fund them to make sure that no flag will sound on top of Mount Kenya with those colors. And if there's anyone who's planning to do that, we'll block them before they reach up there. Do you feel, you know, parents also have a role to play when it comes to now probably trying to have their kids not join this community because if they don't support their kids in it, do you feel we also need to address the children and not also the community alone? You see, one thing that I feel, Kenyan parents we have a huge role and that's why I'm always very vocal because I'm a parent, I'm a Kenyan parent. I believe we mzungu alisema we have to nip it at the bad. When you see something that in a crooked nip it at the bad before it okay na iblosum na iikwe kubwa. So this thing right now is seen in that small state that we can, we have the power right now to fight it. The moment we let it explode and reach a level whereby you can't control the government supports it that's why you're seeing these fights in America because there are lefties who believe this thing is right and there are people in the right to say this thing is wrong. There are Americans who are religious and there are people who are just, you know, from they believe in secularism to a different level. If we get there as a society ama as African, ama as Kenyans it will be very hard to control this thing. We have to nip it at the bad and my call to other parents or to any other parent in Kenya please share your voices. Share your voices. It's very important. We should not allow this thing. It looks like it's like a walk in the park or it looks like it's something that is not going anywhere but I've met these people. They have an agenda and they can really push they're very aggressive. They can really push for this agenda. Little did you know that something like this can go to the Supreme Court and pass. Kenyans were shocked. So it means these guys had mitigated their ways through there through our laws to find a loophole somewhere until they reached the Supreme Court. So it means if we knew before it reached the Supreme Court we had the power to stop it but we discovered when it was already at the Supreme Court. So right now is our voices which will make us stand firm and protect our posterity. It's very important. And this is what I want to say. Sometimes everything looks like it's just okay and just because you're comfortable in your house you always feel like this thing doesn't affect me but the one thing is one day when you're parent when your son or daughter in future you see them struggling in something and then you remember ah there's a time there's a time I had the power to speak against this thing I had the power to stop this thing but I didn't. Right now my kids are suffering because of this. Remember choices have consequences all of us were facing the consequences the way you wake up in the morning whatever you do the way you vote choices have consequences So we as parents we need to know even the Bible says faith comes by hearing and by hearing by the word of God So it means whatever people listen to a lot that's what they become That's what the Bible says you have to for you to gain faith you have to listen to the word of God repeatedly So it means right now if people are being given a different content it means there's a space in our ears that is being filled by something else So where did we go wrong? It means someone somewhere we as parents are not doing our job you know what I'm saying and we need to go back to schools we need to go back to our homes because that's their target is our schools our homes and our churches Okay guys what are your thoughts about this conversation you know we are having here with Daddy Owen and just him telling us your thoughts make sure to leave a comment down below as we wind up Daddy Owen you see I saw you posted Andrew Tert the controversial speaker what do you think you have in common with him because he's also had his fair share of criticism from people so he speaks out his mind do you think you have any similarities with Andrew Tert you know whatever Andrew Tert says there's Andrew Tert there's Jordan Peterson there's March Nolds all these guys if you listen to them carefully they're just using their platform and their voices to call out and rebuke something that for me I declare as a sin for them is more about morality and I declare as a sin and get it straight I'm not a moral arbiter I'm not here to say that I'm the moral arbiter everyone should look at no I'm not a moral arbiter I have my own weaknesses I have my own flaws but when something doesn't sit well with the society it's for us to come and stand up and say this is wrong and Andrew Tert was even banned from social media because of his stand but he took it upon himself to declare that no matter what they do they won't stop him even went to jail because and that's the first thing after I wrote about the supreme controlling the next tweet I say number one these guys will look for propaganda against Zadyo and against my brand they will try to ban me they will deny me visa all those things I'm ready for all that because we know all their steps there's nothing new under the sun all their steps is just the same their tactic is the same so even right now I know they are cooking up something they must come up with a propaganda against the brand Zadyo and they must silence Zadyo if they don't ban you they try to ban and rotate from media the guy was just checking videos and they go viral without even posting on his platform then they were like hey they have to look for a case to say oh Siji was found with women and all that young women human trafficking but if you had listened to his podcast before that he knew and he had predicted that all these things will happen so is the same formula there using everywhere so I know listen to Jordan Peterson he's very learned things this thing is just perversion particularly is just perversion listen to Matt Knowles the same thing Matt Knowles came even to Masailan he came to Masailan he went around the world asking people what is a woman and everyone had a clear definition what a woman is but when he went to America right now in America he is doing town halls and people can't even can't even define what a woman is you understand so it just shows you the level of perversion that the world is headed to we should not allow such things if we go back in history it will show you Sodom and Gomera what happened to Sodom and Gomera we cannot allow Sodom and Gomera to happen to this generation okay my last question you probably could you speak to the LGBTQ community of this country what I'll say is number one I'm not a moral arbiter number two I don't hate anyone the way I call out guys who steal the way I call out even if you listen to my songs like Vanity Vanity is like a song to rebuke whatever is happening so say at that moment so I've been doing this this is the first time I'm picking such a cause since Den Memorial since I started doing gospel music and I don't hate the sinner I hate the sin Sin is here Sin came through this to the world through one man and Jesus Christ came and died on the cross for us to receive life and life in abundance so what I'll tell you is I'm here I can pray for you if you want to change your ways and receive Christ as your personal savior because I believe all of us we have a purpose here on earth and our purpose is to serve God and to serve God in truth and in spirit and we can only do that when we follow what the Bible says how the Bible declares the root that we shall follow and as a gospel musician as a pastor as a believer I'm here to talk to you if you need any help I can offer help the only help I can offer is to lead you to Christ I don't hate the sinner I hate the sin Alright Thank you Daddy Owen for your sentiments We are grateful for just talking to us and letting us know in your mind Santisana Alright guys that was Artist Daddy Owen right here on the buzz with stars I would really like to know what are your thoughts about this conversation as a mother as an artist as an LGBTQ community I'm really waiting to see your comments down on the comments section and don't forget to subscribe Alright make sure you bless us Thank you so much for watching this buzz with stars My good name is Miss Kipengi until next time Kipi Resbian Buzz