 What do you feel a Gengetun artist should actually do se do because there's been this story of Waustaniwa Gengetun Wameisha especially the pioneers and when you talk to them they tell they tell you I Gengetunization but people are always in wealthy ways they thrive that we had at the time. What do you feel is the problem? You know when you are making music palepacho we also ran into the same thing we realized that okay there was a gopa one day then there was Khalif and then there was Zerama John you know so even as we became aware we knew that at some point we thought okay to miske what you guys pacho can do that we need now to work into something else and then that also needs to something else. Gengetun you know sort of like was the soundtrack for this last couple of years because it came out of the energy we were talking about. For sure. Yes. The energy we were talking about is that there are structures, business, and it really shook the industry because they were able to create something from nothing. We were talking about the country with the video we were shooting and seeing more and seeing more. We were talking about Bishita and Kudinis Mama and Apu and Tegisha. What's up guys a very warm welcome to FPM Buzz. My good name is Miskitinji and today I am hanging out with a star. But guys before I introduce my star for today make sure you subscribe. I mean why not? Subscribe, hit that subscribe button. All right so thank you for subscribing. Now guys my star for today on Buzz it's stars is a brain behind so many hits in this country. The likes of Southeast Soul, the likes of Nyashinski, Ha The Band. Guys this guy is a genius and he has an album out. We are going to be talking about that and to be telling us more about everything is the one and only producer Cedric Khadeni Populali known as Cedo. Nili kwa nmese ma lazima ni seme. Cedo. Nanda kwa kwa jina yem pesa. Ndori fo sasa. Oh my god wala niya jiniya jiniya jiniya jiniya jiniya jiniya jiniya jiniya jiniya jiniya jiniya jiniya jiniya jiniya jiniya. I'm happy to be here. Thanks Betty for having me. Karibu sana. Hey it's the soft spoken producer. Hey how you doing? I'm doing great. Shanshikuru. We are happy. We are pushing the album. Yes. Doing well we are. We are happy. Hey you've been so busy Cedo finding you. I want to go to the grind. Guys let me tell you Cedo is on stage on a Tuesday morning. I called him in. I'm just about to go on stage. I'm like oh you guys work on Tuesdays. You have shows on too. But Cedo how have you been? I've been good. I was on the grind. I was pushing the album. Yes. Natisa ki up coming artist. You know what I mean? No, he ki up coming. You won't be up coming normal. You know but even before we get to that Cedo. I just read somewhere actually you have a degree in law. Yeah. Can you imagine? I did 4 years in no university law. I left in Kamalizana Kenyanskulov Law. I did another 2 years. What? You even went to Kenyanskulov Law. I didn't go to Kenyanskulov Law. So was it just because you know your parents say then yes Cedo bina lawyer is the best thing you. You wanted to impress your paros. And then you now get into music. I didn't. I can't say like I started music. Music ki likuwatu. It's just something I was doing. But then it made 2 cents when I was because of my family setup where I grew up it made 2 cents that you know you need to do something it will guarantee our future. Okay. That is a bit more sure. Because it was difficult for me to say you know I want to be a musician. I want to be a music producer. In what I say I'm like who. I want to be like a reference of someone I would say you know like that person or that person who I had. So I cast him. Let me do know. Okay. So I was able to manage the stuff. Yes. Along the way it was just clear that in the life of music it just became overwhelming. Did you like have someone you were looking up to as like a producer? Or were you like checking out the internet? And I thought the internet was not like today. Yeah and then you know I grew up in Shams so I took access to the internet and computer and whatever. Yes. See I didn't even know I wanted to be like a musician in that sense. Like a producer to someone who makes music. I didn't really know. I took a play keys and then after I took a play keys I realized you can arrange music on a keyboard and you can make a beat on it. I was like wow that's amazing. Then I realized you can also do that on a computer. Oh it was even more amazing. Okay. Then after that I was able to skin. I was able to create a new look as for Ogopa up on Nairobi. I did want to make my hits up when I was able to take my clothes. I was like man if I can do this. Yes. It can be on another level. Internationally I was listening to Kina Drake and Tim Ballang back in the day. I don't know why. Like the pioneer producers who you know they had a system around them. They had people they were making hits. Yes. And I was just like if I can achieve half of that then I can make it you know. But it was challenging for me because now I was in Eldoritz doing low. Yes. I love who I couldn't like set up in Nairobi so I had to do my opinion. Kwanza kumbe you were in the main campus as in LD. I was in Eldoritz. I was in Eldoritz. Okay. So after that process I tried to come to Nairobi and hook up with Kilemwa and Lukas Ogopa but it didn't work out so well. So I came from scratch. Yes. I was trying to find studios trying to vibe with them and so on and so forth. But I really really especially when I was in campus I really really wanted to be the same league as Kilemwa Lukas and Kilemwa Lukas to make such an impact on myself. Hey. For the country. And look at you now. Look at me now. But you know now let's even just get into it Seddo sedaction. Sedaction. In case you don't know I mean I don't know how you don't know but Seddo has a new album it's called Sedaction and I'm just sitting down here and I'm wondering how did you come up with sedaction? I mean I know Sedic Sedo but sedaction. All the names I've given to you know like even the name Seddo is the name like I got from high school. And I guess it's to call me Seddo Sedo. Actually when I was I've been called all vowels of the name Sed. So Seda Sedie Seddo. Seddo. You know so Seddo it can stick to for a long time. Yes. I laugh who when I was a couple of years ago when I was going to do some some works with Mayak again I laugh who I can't say too much about sedaction you know. I was like oh my god that's so interesting you know. I had a friend of mine also Shakira coincidentally also just say the same thing hey sedaction sedaction so I felt it was to be appropriate for my baby album kikwa naiyo genia sedaction so I have to symbolize any effect that you feel ok skizam zikia sedia Anya nukwemi it's you and it's working it's working for sure. If you guys haven't listened to sedaction you need to listen because that album has 16 songs. 15 actually. 15 ya featuring like 22 artists. Exactly. Yes. Bro me I'm just here watching first of all the combination for the collables. Yes. What was the thought because this is like a goodie whereby we have mabantu easy and music gang as in how did you even think about putting those together. Ya ya ya so I really wanted this album to represent me commercially ok because as a musician you have to sort of like not even a musician as a creative you sort of like have to split yourself into understanding that audiences want to consume content in different times in different in some of the perceptions kone waliwa se winiwata skizamziki on a very very big level kone waliwa se the two on the surface level for sure. So I wanted this first album to be like the first commercial album to introduce me into the market. So I needed to do strategic collaborations across East Africa. Ya. So Nikanza Kenya Konza I worked with who I could work with in Kenya had to travel to Uganda stay here for one month make interaction and by BLEG in Austin where Uganda left there went to Tanzania stay there for another one month also be the same vibe came back to Kenya Nika Katsasa Naizwa Bokozna ask me so what do we do how we combine this with this and this with this and I guess that's a bit about having a producer album because now I come up with a concept of a song you know like Gudi and I figured out okay for this for me to achieve what I want to achieve I need this kind of artist to combine this kind of artist in that ya magic and sometimes it didn't work out sometimes we got an experiment it doesn't work out so we have to start from scratch or save that song for another time or remove this verse and replace it with another verse and it won't get in my nature feel it in a blend ya so that's the way it was some things were intentional in Ujian Kwaasimainia I really want to be on this track and I want to want to see take an experiment with his voice with a few different artists I want to work with some Tanzanian artists those are beautiful experience working with those similarities and even in Uganda very different vibes you know we are in Kenya Uganda for instance the system is very different the music business starts from the management so we met the managers first then met the songwriters then met the producers and then now created the content now presented the content to the artists so when I come on a skiza you know what they think about this ya let's do it ya in Tanzania we were in the same room with them working on the process apu apu together collaborating collaboratively sorry some artists were right when you come about nabana or sleigh okay atatumi flavor kumina kumina the cure you know and so on and so on but it was not necessary or important for me to be able to figure out how do I use my gift yes and combine with other gifted artists across East Africa to create a body of work and to represent as a user and I mean you really worked it out kabisa and you know I was just looking at you traveled and I said ok I have beads watcha niku tumi e odu alafu uni tumi e you know mystery you actually just traveled and took a whole month in one country and the other yes how important was that to you because you had the option of just telling them yes they are big I mean just send me ya for several reasons I really wanted to I wanted this album to represent East Africa aha I didn't want to be that guy you know we could have content across East Africa that I may guess you know atile nimi chikuwa two random guys nitu me verse nia tu kama nese pachika apu niku kuna takani feel ni work nice instrumentalist vocalist swaoko nijue about the industry nijue if I am doing a somewhat kind of vine needs to come in from me based on what already exists in the market niki juwam sani na kolaborat nia nijue waibia keni gani what is missing nia zeku enhanced by giving something special or nijue what is a beautiful thing that exists in Uganda that guys don't like you see easy is a big artist in Uganda yes but in Kenya what we have is juwa sana for sure it should be a very good opportunity for people to be curious about and that's you know who is this person nani niku waji so it was very important for me to be able to vibe nani geti o energy actually in the creation process for me it's very important to have it's a medium for your environment your creation you can write you know we don't record in studios hardly we record in studios we just set up anywhere we have these at home we have the balcony or whatever just place it in your feel we can be creative without limitations or restrictions yes so then we just vibe and move and so on and so forth niku kuna actually yes I would have just asked for the vocals maybe give it a short time I don't know but I just feel like vibing with this artist made it so much more special yeah and I feel like that is why you are also you know just able to get all these artists together because just telling someone send me they might not take it as important exactly and also they may not understand what I'm trying to achieve yeah as a kwenbia some things get lost in translation when you try to tell someone you know need to make a verse of this thing I want to be able to plan it yes okay I am sure I record a shot too if you want corrections how do we do we have to look at a session another day you know I didn't like it that way you know we need to do this so it's a logistics to really think about them and I call on to you know at least just go there vibe with them interact with them it do appear some people you know you hear about them but okikana e unanda realize even more unanda wow this person is such a genius they can do this and we can do that you know but otherwise they continue with jazz and artists just like that mokueli yeah and there you go what was the most challenging song to put together the most challenging song was probably let's see was it coming through by the ladies across East Africa yeah let me see I think but let me explain to you why nili kwa na taka kubulu like an East African anthem by women written by women done by women yes so I started here in Kenya working as Kenyan female artist and then after a few weeks I changed my mind because I was like you know what I do say this I was like this is kikulu and there is nothing you can do there is nothing I could have done yes so and at that time nili kwa nisha wakuna ma wasama so ma wasama li record kwa as a chorus na verse ya a different artist you know yes so when the Kenyan artist a kata kasa ma you know we can't we can't do this so I had to figure out who am I going to replace Harweb so I had the second verse I had the third verse I didn't have a chorus and I didn't have no sorry I had the first verse the second verse I didn't have the third verse and I didn't have a chorus yes so nika anza putakuta na who am I going to work with if the people are not available if you are too busy or they are doing whatever ya and then maze tu nika kulfe na nika amga maze I really hope that you talk available kupanya kitu and I can't even be oh my god why didn't you tell me this so na ya I wish I knew I wish I did you know yes so fena kakam na kakilit lafutu kama liza ya so I guess in perspective that might have been a challenging song to know okay the other challenges may not necessarily meet to be with the creative aspects of the song yes things like let's say we were kili kuna double bookings umenda when we went to Tanzania we spent an entire week doing nothing because our appointments were all cancelled oh my god ya because the wasaniwa tz many of the tz collab workers were intended to work with umwa me but there are two deals that come from South Africa so you can shoot videos you can ask me so we have to see to it ya because it was even more expensive to come back where you'd rather just sit and enjoy the culture ya exactly so that's what we did we took a vibe back to Lafutu who we could work with to come get your vibe done we took him there so challenges were not necessarily created they were payable also you are traveling during covid time so we could work we almost got locked in Uganda we took a Uganda like this and then kuf you can't see what wait let me ask you how long did it take you to compose this album planning took about a year from 2019 ya planning to just being sure what are you gonna do what are the logistics involved around it you have so many artists what are you gonna do you're getting rights ya and you will be able to make it you will be able to make it to what are you getting is because moms are by me but ya but one year of planning and then one year of hitting the road ya so like that one month in this country that another one month in this country ya could really try to analyse could buy the could change entertainer but we shall you know we don't think about this song maybe next year 15th track let's take it to 20 no let's do 10 any all those things should we release on this date or this other date people ya so one two years one year planning another one year execution ya why me ya that was ya but it came out like the effort that was put in it 100% ya ya now talking about the rights now you've mentioned rights ya and you as a producer we know lots of Kenyan producers I've spoken to a couple of them and they feel likely just regrets because they don't get to earn from hits they've made before that's true you just make a hit on in studio you let it go the artist goes and get ganas millions of views ya exactly and your name is nowhere your work is done that's true but that is on the contrary with the people you know in the US ya that's true just across the borders ya know how are you able to earn from music that you have created over time until the end of time the two things that let's say about I am only earning from about half my catalog okay the other half my catalog there's lots of complications from missing documents some collaborators not being willing to remit or sign things and so on so just the usual to business drama and then you know we also have we don't have like a royalty collecting body in Kenya I mean they do exist but artists are not making money it's not a it's not it doesn't work ya it doesn't work ya know I like other territories where you know you produced a song you know the song is in a system somewhere you know that the song gets airplay the song becomes not you know you make money because I'm not supposed to earn the money that an artist is making I'm not supposed to take money that someone else so in the royalty systems if if the songwriter for instance is supposed to be paid I should not get the songwriter money I should get my production money you see but because those things are not clear in this territory so to my guess guess to our power you know we are trying this and trying that and so on and so forth but luckily the places where we put our music where kuna proper ways of tracking from skis are spotify upon music and so on and so forth is all in a mix of money so one of the main reasons also for me as a producer to say okay you know what I need to be able to present myself in another way that I can be able to understand and interact with my gift yes by creating a body of work was also another way of trying to balance out because iniki kwa kwa studio not even as a musiki I cannot sustain my life by depending on per se you and I debate you can pay me this amount of money it's not practical it's not so I had to be creative and figure out how how much more options are available to me as a creator to make money that's why in kusama okay let me do an album so not only will I make money from royalties but I'm also going to make money from performances and other places where I can come over my brand for sure and make money but the industry in Kenya is we're not being very well to be honest we're not being very well creators are demoralized and producers are demoralized artists are frustrated because things are not working we're not making money see the expectations you know to match up the xg industry gani match up the xg but you see because of those kind of challenges it becomes so difficult and then you feel paralyzed because machua I cannot compete if a Nigerian does a music video and pays five million for the video yes niki lipa five million for a music video I don't know if I can be able to sustain I mean yeah so in a kwa challenge so we have to make strategic partnerships and so on so we can be able to like for instance for this album I had to look for partners who are in the industry who we can do strategic collaborations so I work with distributors who can say okay fine we will help you with this as long as you provide us with this and I am like okay could we do that or working with artists and saying since I know you're doing an album and I have something I can work with on your album why don't you give me a verse on my song and then I'll give you a track you know let me do those kind of exchanges you know a laugh tragedy when we make money everybody is happy yes yes yes that's it but to be honest it's a tricky business diversifying how to manuva in the industry it can be very frustrating it can because I remember I spoke to Motif some time back and he just told me he feels like producers are so underrated when they are actually producing a masterpiece they are the brains behind a song that's true for most times you realize that an artist comes to me with nothing you just say I want a hit song and I say okay no problem I'll find your songwriter I'll help you edit the lyrics or I'll write the song myself you only put your voice there I'll produce the song that means I'm making the beats I'm doing the mixing, balancing everything, making sure it's right then I give it to you then that now becomes the property of the artist Allahutnima, Lisana and Apu we see so you see all the work that has been done there in the credit that was taken by someone else because they are the brand that have seen as the you know the the ambassador as well as the pioneer of that song of that song yes but I really can't blame the artists because it's up to us sisi creators who are aware about that and can realize oh my god there's another way I can make money or I can represent myself because if I don't do this as you expect someone else to tell me you know bro let me give you more money because eh no one let me give you more I don't know at now people are not that nice you know everyone wants to take care of their interests and so on and so forth so Pia also globally the idea of producers making money or producers becoming being recognized of the people who create the content is a really foreign concept so you can also feel it so it's what you can say did you create enough of these songs and release songs but you don't understand what exactly does it do you just say another one and then that's it people are now starting to get curious to understand what's happening yeah so any step by step we are making progress it's going to take time but we are making progress but we are going there I mean I spoke to Ezekiel Mutua Adino right now he's on MCSK and you know he told me his agenda is to make Kenyan artist billionaires I hope so and I was like so that's the plan do we have a strategy yes you as an individual do you actually believe in his effort and what would be your advice to him because you've been in the industry right it's I mean it saddens me that most of the people who are running these organizations yes are professionals from other industries I guess that's fine let's collaborate with other people okay but let's also see you know people who are currently either leaders in the industry or people who are actually making some moves in the industry being involved in those conversations okay if there is a government body that wants to help creatives no problem do that but let it be consultative yeah interactive artists understand what they want understand what they know what the problems are and let that process be continued so that you can be able to be aware what what you will also if I make this move it's going to help these creators in the short and long term in this way yeah another thing is also that the music industry in general has a lot of money in every territory where a content is created there's a lot of money and how do you say like kuna loophole zinizina exist and we might need to customize you know rules laws regulations to match the industry as it is right now yes we have borrowed a lot of a lot of ideas from foreign market and that's okay yeah but we also need to really make sure we completely understand this business yeah but I can't blame the government also because they are just one perspective from an outsider's point of view we are saying okay we'll make revelations and we'll help you in these things but the creators see see getting a fact to be aware about our problems and to sense it as what where they could join bandwagon your industry yeah because it's sort of like because what we call demoralizing we are using to make partial and it's not partial in CG community and it's not partial in CG you guys ask me whatever you guys ask you whatever yes you can imagine yeah if you come one day I may say mum nalala I may say mum you guys are sleepy you guys are not in show business yeah well but you guys are trying okay especially when you guys went to Tanzania because you were saying sometimes he makes sense to be honest because I feel like Kenyan artists are just not showing us what are you guys doing but for you guys at least when you went to Tanzania you guys gave us snippets of what you guys did there we could tell it was a great show but do you actually feel like Kenyan artists actually so atkua working at what you did there so I don't know what I am sharing because I know Kenyan artists so I am saying it's nothing much remaining nia so you are saying nia ready I do so do you actually just feel like Kenyan artists actually have a lot to do when it comes to show business I don't know if I don't know if we are obligated to do show business I don't think we must do show business I think we just need to find ways of connecting with our fans and making sure that our content is hard is listened to is interacted with you see the danger with show business if show business is not a company good good content okay then show business becomes the industry that's true so now we all try to make an effort to outdo the other with idolize the strategic yes can be very very strategic in terms of okay I am doing this song I can tease the music like this and so on and so forth introduce yourself to people some artists I really admire across the world Kenyan, Ed Sheeran and so on and so forth the globally top number one they don't do kikis kwa talent kwa talent you know Ed Sheeran is not is a really amazing thing about not necessarily Beyonce he is just unique in his own way you know and Beyonce is also unique in her own way but they are doing the best they can to show talent and I guess for those artists who are able to do kikis and do all those things not only what they are planning but for me I feel like it's just easier for me to use talent and creativity you know take me a bit more time but at least we are very very sure and I am a bit more I am a bit more rooted in that my industry or my career will last long because I am building a co-fund of people who kukisha ingia kukisha kukisha wakaptia kukisha kukaptia iwi that's it kuna jwa that's it I am just going to be a duke and I was so impressed when we went to the salon to perform and to sing for the show we realized that Tanzanians know a lot of Kenyan music you know we realized that we were giving a show that what of our comics that people would say to me be okay we said it was a nice show but to the standards of what normally shows are in TZ that was something so spectacular for them and we did a nonstop 2 hour show full live band, lights, graphics and so on and so forth was really amazing you see if I believe if I am able to show more people that you know introduce more people to that kind of vibe I don't think I need to do much in terms of kiki but I recognize the fact that you have to know your creativity but you also have to know your business which means that you might need to employ marketing strategies you know 100% since years you have to do even kumizakuna much more traction to our content and you don't necessarily have to do crazy things just you know work with people who want to survive in our area and then push your agenda step by step yeah and you know when I look at Ed Sheeran I feel like you know he might not be doing these things Shennani Gansi and there but he has a team yes he does 100% has a team that is pushing his music worldwide 100% 100% and if and that's another thing that is also lacking in our industry it will have I think a lot of artists will require the heart or maybe leave you know for me for things to go right I have to do it by myself by myself so yeah and your manager and your killer kitu and so on so because of that you're trying to balance everything and handle killer kitu so it becomes a bit of a problem so when you need it to be you need to multiply yourself to be in many cases at the same time it becomes impossible you get frustrated when it's easy to quit yes but we learn you know leo na fana kitu una realize your mistakes then you learn when you were running Pachaw we had such big gyms with me I got to say I was selling to club industry on the songs and you did that for a while and you realize that okay our brand profile is growing people know about Pachaw but you are not making money yeah we were really struggling with our national pain rent was a problem and so on and so forth so you said okay let's take some time up and we think about our business and you realized okay we know creativity we know how to make music we have good relationships with actors but we don't know the business of music yeah so we have to take some time away understand the business of music and then come back you know that's when I go wrap down things to my boy and so on and so forth to that process awakening you to oh my god is so much I don't know you know so yes tukona tukona jwa we have to know your business you have to know your creativity both have to be balanced yeah okay that sounds good I mean I hope you have collected something there as an artist if you are watching this you know and you know now we can't talk to you say do and not talk about Nyashinsky as we have to talk about him and you know just sitting down and wondering how is your relationship your working relationship with Nyashinsky how is it because he has chosen you over and over again and you keep giving him different sounds different every time okay I want to reveal a secret today okay exclusive drum rolls Nyashinsky is gay so am I so he is my boyfriend okay yes when oh my god anyway so no no no I am just kidding so I have initially I used to you know work with clients you know in a very business client relationship you kwa pali pacho you book an appointment to do a session yes you finish the session she kaka ziapo and that and what you do for that you shall reako yes but when I realize that doesn't give me or the artist much value you have to switch it to dogo so you can happen to that you know at that time Nai Boy, Saltisola and Nyashinsky were the artists that we can work now at the time because I want to let me focus on one at a time so I focused on Nai Boy's rebranding first okay to just make sure that he has the right content for that and everything that surrounds that then because I just left working with Saltiso and then now I met Nyashinsky so for Nyashinsky it was easy because now we were doing both studio and live so haiku kwa like a producer relationship where nili kwa na make beat ala fushika uji pange to do kwa tunafiria from the beginning what we want to achieve what do we see with this song tunafiria kwa tunafiria kwa tunafiria so we think about the vision of the song from the studio up to the performance so through that process took enough to kukua boys you know so because we don't limit in terms of how we relate creatively to na create content in studio to na practice live band to na think about music strategy to na paga shows together and so on and so forth so it's more like ukuna beshte mone ni broako mone na do job without limits liya kufiria ok sa kikuja pasiyo nili kubuk session kwanza you know all those things we just removed all those barriers okay let's not to siji eke we rather create sorry let me say we rather create things that will leverage we can leverage in your choice to create content instead of kuku put barriers as a kusama okay we can't get into session right now because of reason this or this or that yes so your brotherhood na you beshte mone na tunafiria kwa automatic kukitu eka kukitu kwa room tunafiria kusama kusama kusama kusama kusama kusama kusama kusama so it's just easy to create content yaa tunata is it easy to create it's also easy to also perform it to people to people and so on and so forth yaa and also i feel like you can't schedule creativity kikam ni weka kikam ni weka unezakwa chasai mone kwa inspired kikam ni weka exactly kikam ni weka na kikam ni also you really need someone who unezam pige mone nili ka na liya say let's do it yaa liya say let's go na also mone kama a person who's creating music from a production perspective also need a very serious artist and in someone who is diverse as i am who is as talented as i am so up nezaku nezaku and we can both come on our talents very well we can both exploit each other you can only know me as a great producer using a great artist for sure and you can also know him as a great artist because he has a great producer yaa so that relationship we can discover early in the afternoon to come so you know what 20, 20, 20 such an amazing combination but i know nashinske doesn't go on stage without you at any point you are always on stage how important is it you been on stage with him right as someone who has created the song in the studio i know best how to play them live and then i also understand the technical aspects of setting up a show and making sure it runs right choosing the right instrument at least if you're working with any and so on and so forth so it gives him the confidence to know that sectional music me na nitu 2 kuimba everything else and you say don't have got it yaa in nine countries the same same thing for me Nikisha create set najiwa i don't have to worry about sijumsa don't have to perform sijama imba off key sijama esau nini sijumtikari i all know nikuna confidence najiwa maki with the purple at the soon knows the assignment najiwa na hatu sijama nia na cover everything so there are times i would go to like when we went to Tongania we did soundcheck all those things yaa like i did all the technical aspects for him on stage he only came to perform so he didn't need to because we did so many times he didn't need to come to the venue so we do what and this time we did this and so on and so forth even we did a surprise performance with Juma Jukes Juma Jukes yes oh that was a surprise ya i was surprised for him oh he actually didn't know Neshenske didn't know oh the audience didn't know the audience didn't know Jukes called me the day before the show no two days before the show told me you know what let's jump on stage she knows not feeling very well if you can come to soundcheck with me today you can go to do it yes it was like yaa let's do it hakuja apu tu kapanya soundcheck so they actually met on stage for the first time to perform the song yaa that was amazing i mean that that moment was was really good for sure it was it was the only audience we go crazy we got some really nice reviews from that yaa it was nice what do you feel Gengiton artist should actually do say do because there's been this story of Westanywa Gengiton Wamesha especially the pioneers and when you talk to them they tell they tell you I Gengitonization didn't anyone ask them but people are always saying where are they where is the thrive that we had at the time yaa what what do you feel is the problem you know when you are making music palepacho we also run into the same thing yes we realize that okay there was a gopawan day then there was Khalif yes and then there was Ramajia and then there was yaa me ni na like there were a lot and a lot of that was yaa me ni boom not when it was yaa no sense yes howa kina can raise you wa what you want when it was exactly yaa I can raise you yaa so all that ya ni it's sort of like each unit li kuna time yaa yaa could do that thing yaa and that evolves into something else and that evolves into something else so even as it became we knew that at some point we thought it was okay to miske what you guys pacho can do that we need now to evolve into something else and then that also needs to something else so several reasons one evolution okay in times of change we need to grow we need to change and adapt to the times so those types of when we adapt to the times now can evolve but do a co-president yaa wana when yaa howangia is a co-adapt ilibi do a party challenges happen yaa so as an artist you always have to be inventing yourself you always have to be aware about the changing times the changing seasons now jump on to it before it overtakes you okay because you can spend too time kido ya ni when a new wave comes suji yama piyan wa mkudya um yes everybody's attention shifts to this thing and that becomes old news for sure then one day they're going to say giri wama dili wama piyama ei kulu piyama piyama na yaa yaa yaa so for sure we evolve in times we just evolve in the times na wale when yaongia is a co-adapt it is what it is but for those who did do it alafu gengeton you know sort of like was the soundtrack for this last couple of years because we said it came out of the energy I will tell you what you for sure yaa kiyo energy ili tokelesi alafu hakum kwa na structures hakuku kwa na business hakuku kwa na mini and it really shook the industry because they were able to create something from nothing yaa ni muka na sumi kumula wan i the country with the video ni me shu tiwa tu na sii mu na sii miwa ni kumita tuma bishita kudini sumama apu tili shasawa yes you know and that really worked but it needed now to to grow ok, now we've done that ok, now what's next because you know the audience is getting old people get bored yaa kama liya na realizing oh what's happening next you know yaa next so it's coming on next so I guess it's time for gengeton to evolve so let's see what it's been to evolve into for sure he said do as we wind up I actually want to know because they are just people who are very low music fanatics they love music that you do but I'm just wondering do your parents understand what you do yaa that's a good question yeah do they um I can say that now they do ok to be honest there was a period where I realized that I'm not able to express myself very well to them in terms of making them understand ok listen what I do is I do this and then this excuse me anatis comes here and does this and after that it was just difficult for them to grasp so they realized too that the only way nezafanya even the crew decides so now I can be able to tell them ok you see that song there is what you can hear as the voice and then there is everything else so is that everything else that's me again you tried to I tried to explain to them ah kabisa ok so right now I have amazing support for my parents from my family I have amazing support previously I can tell you for sure it was a big problem I looked very rebellious because you know you are you are dropping from a low level you can even my friends also who are in law school are the commissioners who make my moves and so on advocates of the high court nimi nimi here I am when I go back to Pushnow Sari it looked like maze go you are lost yeah if you just let this thing go and you say to be a lawyer you'd make so much money you'll be all this and that but that's what I meant to prove that was when you were lucky kupatara you know a family because it is one ok you know what let's give you a chance to do the thing and then let's see but give us a chance to tell you if it's not working so to work on a family yes so thank you for leaving here amazing and I mean you said you're doing an amazing job I called you the other day and I told you as in who are you you've put up 22 artists together you know like you have calligraph arrow boy and your Mio in one they've not even done collab with you as in you've already seen the future that was amazing seduction was something else and I mean we can't wait to see the videos come out yes yes yes we are planning the videos to go kwa I needed to give people a chance to interact with the songs yes we are going to go hard on videos that's the next phase okay we are going to go very hard on videos I want to see if I can go to experiment with the different artists who are now at a time to expose different new talents and new things that people have not been able to see and experience yes because it has to be different because now you're not you're not listening to music from a sing I'm going to listen to a program producer aspect yeah exactly so have to be creative with it so that you're able to feel a different flavour for sure so videos are coming up we believe in new sedo we know your way to surprise us thank you is that what what first song are we expecting video I don't know I'm thinking shorts I'm thinking shorts it has to be that and we can't wait for it thank you thank you yani we wish you all the very best guys keep streaming sedo's music that album is fire tell us what is your favourite song on the album I have three I have good day I have shorts and I have Gulkipa Gulkipa ah Gulkipa kandaka I love that song now guys make sure you let us know the comment section which is your favourite song or seduction album sedo thank you do you have your last words to your fans to people who want to just dive into producing is that something you'd want to tell them yeah so we are in a very interesting time right now you know we are creators can create content right now naitoke say say you know you can listen to content from anywhere across the world available now there is a new breed of content creators that is being raised right now you know kuna producers for instance like me who have made a effort to say let's let's get ourselves from the back and into the forefront to create content and there's amazing music amazing music created with a different flavor different tune my album is called seduction find it it's available everywhere on all digital platforms you're not doing any physical copies but only digital copies available everywhere interact with me my name is sedo sedo underscore kadegi on all digital platforms on all social media platforms that are in Patahapo let's buy this interact but remember there is so much content a lot of content I'd like to encourage anybody who has the desire to create content a creator do it towa we say don't wait for perfection just release 20 let's flood the market with as much creativity of what you can be able to show the world and because globally you know people are now looking to Africa and because we are in that space right now in Omanisha this year's creators we have to step up our game and be able to showcase what we have because what we have we let you in the CC in your flavor when you are at one could vibe life yes and if we can be able to support each other that way we can be able to create a movement in sasani na kwa one day ita kwa global movement for sure yeah so that's it and thank you so much for having me this is this is a beautiful privilege let me tell you oh look at you it's um you know as a creator we need we need to have partners who what are to say dia kukwa voices zeto to the people yeah so i may not be able to know how to express myself to people but with you you can be able to sit down with me then you can interact and people can go to heaven so this is a really beautiful opportunity for me thank you yes and this conversation was very insightful because we don't even have much information from producer right so i believe this was very insightful thank you zeto thank you so much i appreciate all right guys in the words of zeto the producer we have so much potential so let us step up you know let's create music as Africans everyone is watching us let us believe in ourselves but thank you so much guys for watching the buzz with stars with zeto right here on espion bars my good name is miss kipinji until next time stay tuned