 Thank you for joining us and welcome to open and for live the open infrastructure foundations weekly hour-long interactive show Sharing production use cases open source demos industry of conversations and the latest from the global open infrastructure community We are live here every Thursday Streaming on YouTube LinkedIn and Facebook. Typically. It's been at 1400 UTC But next starting next week. It will be streaming every Thursday at 1500 UTC My name is Allison price and I'm the director of marketing and community at the open and for foundation and I'm excited to be your host today Now we're gonna save some time at the end for questions So feel free to drop any that you have into the chat on the on the platform that you're streaming this on But before we get started, I want to introduce who we're gonna have today So we are joined by open and for foundation members from Wind River NEPA and O-rock technologies. So let's start with some introductions. Muhammad Do you want to kick it off by introducing yourself? Good morning, everyone. This is Muhammad Gil. I am vice president of Bend River overseeing the product development Over all different industry segments Awesome. Welcome Muhammad. Dr. Abhishek. Oh, I think you're on mute. Oh, I think you're muted Dr. Abhishek, I think that you're muted Okay Hi everyone My name is Abhishek Chouya. I'm CEO and founder of NEPA crowd we have been Associating with the open stacks for many many years in the past and I think We are very happy here to be a member of the foundations and I think it's gonna be Something we look forward to to working with the community We're excited to have you today And Joshua, please introduce yourself as well Hi, I'm Josh cornered. I'm CTO of O-rock former Red Hat and Cloudify Very excited to be here. Thank you. Awesome. Welcome Well, like I mentioned, we're excited to have three open and for foundation members And at the end we'll be able to tell you how you can join Wind River NEPA and O-rock technologies in supporting the open infrastructure foundation's mission to build open source communities who build software that runs in production for use cases Like hybrid cloud, which is what we're actually here to talk about today So hybrid cloud is one of the use cases that the open infrastructure foundation has been prioritizing for a long time Starting with open stack, but also with the recent additions of some of our other open infrastructure projects like starling x So some I wanted to set the stage with some of the stats That we have around the market size for our hybrid cloud So according to Mordor intelligence, the hybrid cloud market is valued currently around 52 billion as of last year But in just five years, it's expected to reach 145 billion usd Which is an incredible growth rate and shows really why there's a lot of organizations who are developing hybrid cloud strategies and what's even more interesting is IBM partnered with O'Reilly on a specific study around how open source technologies play into this use case And 70 percent of respondents who who are running hybrid cloud said that they want to at least have One of their technologies based on open source So it shows that you know, there is a definite advantage to open source technologies in this use case And this is what i'm excited to dive into with our participants during the show. So You know hearing why open source for this use case and what advantages that may bring to customers and end users now diving specifically into a Software related stat the open stack user survey is something that we host every year You've probably seen emails from me personally bugging you to take it if you run open stack or if you have customers running open stack We're going to be releasing in the open stack user survey report in just two weeks But one of the stats that I found very interesting was Over 200 respondents this year run a hybrid cloud environment and it's not just you know One technology over another it's you know, there's a lot of different technologies people are running with open stack And they're integrating in a lot of different ways Whether it's aws azure gce or maybe even another open stack environment that they're integrating for their hybrid cloud environment So it's really interesting to see, you know, there are Different ways to implement a hybrid cloud scenario And I think that's something else really interesting that our participants are going to be highlighting today So if you're running open stack and especially if you're running open stack for hybrid Please take the open stack user survey. Um, it'll prevent you from getting another email from me But it also helped the community shape the software to better serve you and your customers All right, so let's Um, we've introduced our panelists and now let's dive into some of their hybrid cloud strategies Like I said, we all kind of sometimes define it a little differently So i'm excited to hear what their organization strategies are So we're going to kick things off with muhammad from wind river Take it away Good morning. Good morning, everyone. Um So i'll talk about our hybrid cloud strategy to begin with Um, basically Wind River has been in business for 40 plus years We are a platinum member of open infra foundation Our edge cloud platform called studio is Built upon Open infra project called Starling X Which is 100? Um open source So been in the industry for a while. So my observation is The the csps Are going to diversify Their cloud network as they did Their traditional network And as allison mentioned a lot of the csps prefer open source software So our strategy is really simple We want to make sure studio Our product is integral part of hybrid cloud Let it be amazon Microsoft google By doing so we basically provide An option a good option to the end customers To pick an open source solution And leverage it to build New revenue streams and unlock new use cases In the background we're going to be working very closely with these hyperscalers to make sure Our product is fully integrated. It's ready to go and it's ready to Meet the slas so Like I mentioned wind river has been in business for 40 plus years We've been collecting a lot of satellites along the way The most recent one is from a research company called vdc In 2020 they recognized us for Number one In a lot of categories including edge compute for os platform Real-time operating system embedded linux hypervisor safe and secure operating system Uh, if you think about all these recognitions, there's a bit of history that I would like to share Uh, when they were started off by developing real-time operating systems and on to the linux That the arcades of experience gave us deep knowledge and expertise to heavily contribute into Open infras starling x project Which is basically the edge cloud platform and With that natural transition we were able to build a commercial grade production grade edge solution Which is again being recognized by a lot of customers and research companies and all these recognitions are coming our way Next slide Let's um quickly go through the key components of our studio platform In the middle with green is our component called cloud platform, which is basically again based on Starling x it is container and kubernetes management platform for management of all the nodes It also has the open stack component built in And with that you can have both the containers and VMs runoff of the same infrastructure Which is a big plus for the operators. They don't have to buy a separate hardware Conductor is basically the automation piece In networks you have to pick many many applications run them across hundreds and thousands of nodes So conductor makes that job really easy and simple The analytics portion basically brings all the data from these hundreds and thousands of nodes It applies machine learning And turns that raw data into actionable pieces of information to maintain and Fix the network in a proactive manner Next slide Let's talk about Starling x and in the studio a bit more and how it came into being again Starling x is an open source project in order to commercialize it Vendor ever added a key components for ip compliance. We included customer specific requirements and capabilities we wanted to make sure We can perform any life cycle management functions and basically It is fully secure and hardened for commercial deployments But at the end of the day It is based on Starling x open source project from open infra Let's talk about the collaboration model with Open infra foundation and different partners that are helping a continuous development for Starling x Vendor were being the platinum member We're heavily contributing into r&d testing regression management production of different, you know components bug fixes and features That's our upstream work into the project downstream we we use the same code base Again, we harden it for commercial deployment We're also excited to have a number of open source community partners helping us in this effort The names are up at the top of the slide And then we also have a number of Wireless partners hardware partners That are contributing in this project So it is again being supported by key members of the wireless and cloud community and It has turned out to be a great product quick high level on Starling x infrastructure the operating system is basically linux and we integrate different functions for host management fault management software management configuration services Most of these components come from open source third-party partners and then we layer that up with kubernetes and containers from different partners along with VM support with open stack and other partners through a simple structure and simple architecture Next slide here's a simple architecture in terms of deployment of Studio in commercial networks going to start at the bottom You see Smaller clouds. We call them sub clouds. These are the far edge nodes for example in case of wireless networks, these are The nodes sitting at the cell site or close to the cell site In one example the distributed unit is at the cell site hosting both the control and Worker functions, and that's the beauty of studio product Both control and worker nodes are at the same hardware Making the management really simple We could also have in the middle an example of multiple du's sitting in a near location And from there you run fiber to multiple cell sites You could also have an example of both cu the the centralized unit and distributed unit sitting close to the cell site and Supporting multiple locations. So we support all different configurations requested by our customer Up at the top the bit cloud is basically The the near edge cloud Most of the control functions, you know, let's say Controlling hundreds and thousands of cell sites or our nodes could be Hosted at The near edge hardware We could also host the core control functions the cu functions And then what we do is we connect with the public cloud Bringing in the hybrid component on the hybrid component public public cloud component we could host the OSS and bss components to manage the entire network And we could host all the the core control functions So basically three layers of the network The far edge The near edge and the public cloud and each node would serve different functions in terms of partnerships around different quadrants If you click a few more times all these icons will pop up this is a Quick recap of some of the key partners we're working with from devops perspective Uh hybrid distributed cloud Again amazon microsoft and google In collaboration with all these partners Different types of system integrators and services partners including center deloitte infosys And a variety of container and orchestration and analytics partners so We we are again working closely with these different partners to to make sure our products stay ahead of the curve compared to the competition In wireless ecosystem. Uh, we are also working with the number of partners. Um on the top I'm just giving you a few examples of wireless infra vendors or software vendors Samsung ericsson, nokia, parallel wireless, mavenir altios star, cassa Airspan the list goes on and on And then in the middle, uh, a few examples of open source software partners Starling X open infra open stack kubernetes that we work with Along with that We work with a number of hardware partners Dell hpe intel nvidia To make sure our software is running on the latest and greatest greatest hardware out there Um in terms of customers. We have a really diverse Customer ecosystem Been in business for 40 years Our os and linux operating system runs into a number of aerospace defense medical industrial Network infrastructure automotive and mobile and consumer customers 95 percent of ericsson nokia Uh in havaway and other vendors their base stations still run on wind rivers operating system And of course you guys are aware of our uh, win with horizons edge cloud platform and and now Vodafone So we have a very diverse customer ecosystem in all different industries That are all heavily leaning towards 5g And uh, we feel we have really great product in 5g edge, uh, cloud platform Thank you so much Thank you, muhammad and you actually mentioned vodafone. Um, and so next week you're going to be talking to vodafone or Two weeks from now. Sorry. Um, they'll be talking to vodafone about their use case with you Um, so do you want to provide a little bit of information about what you're going to be talking about on the open infralife keynotes with vodafone? So we're going to talk about um, our product strengths how we stand out compared to the competition How we were able to leverage Open infras starting x project to really build a commercial production grade software that is being trusted by Key operators in the world like horizon and vodafone Yeah, i'm really excited about that one. Um, one of my passions is hearing about End users that are running open infront production. So hearing their starling x use case is one that i've personally bookmarked Um, but one of my other questions for you, you know, edge computing is a relatively new Use case for open infrastructure You feel like because of the combination of centralized and decentralized data centers that this is the ultimate hybrid cloud use case Absolutely, um, allison. This is a game changer. You know, if you look at the history With customers and operators running their own data center the life cycle management and ability To push out features and application is just been painful So now with this edge and hybrid strategy They get to take the best of everything They could use the same infrastructure for their back end it networks. They could use it for 5g They could use it to run any other applications mech so basically It gives them the the scale and economy and cost savings and and efficiencies they have been looking for So i'm really excited to be part of this journey and i'm seeing customers getting bowed as you take these use cases to them and turn them up and they're like I did not know I could turn up an application Into the hands of the customers in days and weeks as opposed to months and years It's an amazing you know journey right now It's definitely been a really innovative time to be part of the community because yes It's it's coming online very fast and just all the transformation that's happening has been incredible to watch So i'm i'm really excited to learn more about what y'all are doing with vodafone and just overall the edge strategy So but thank you. We're going to bring you back at the end for some more questions But now i'd like to bring back dr. Abhishek Chula the CEO of viva cloud the first Gold member for the open infra foundation based in thailand and the also the first open stack powered public cloud provider in thailand So dr. Abhishek i'm going to turn it over to you to go through what your hybrid cloud strategy is okay Thank you everyone. Thanks for having me on today Again, my name is Abhishek Chula. I'm a CEO and a founder of this of a nipah cloud Um, first of all, i'm i'm very delighted to be part of the member of the gold gold member of open infra foundations Well, you know after listen to mohamad there You probably gonna see a lot of complication there, but What i'm going to present today is may not be as as complicated Basically, we we just gonna talk about what we offer here in thailand what we using open source technology open stack in term of Making the product for thailand here and maybe for the in this region as well Uh, first of all, you know, we we've been working on open stack For many many years and we have learned a lot from that So right now we separate our product into Uh, you know private cloud. We call it the mekla private cloud We have nipah enterprise public cloud We are working on the edge cloud And uh, we have the cloud storage we call sensible Okay, so all these are our product that based on open source technology all of them starting from open stack from set and then Thompson fabric These are the three open source that we've been working on and we know that all these three We will give us The hybrid strategy How how strategy Workout by using all three before that We're using open stack and set without tungsten fabric and then we knew that You know, we we need to To have this kind of tungsten fabric technology in terms of providing this hybrid strategy First of all, we provide the enterprise public cloud With the large cloud storage We have three Availability zones We call it is that one two and three This this the first one that we provide About four years ago Now we upgrade our public cloud to be victoria now So it's going to be a much better and then also with the Backbone like a hundred kick instead of a ten kick, you know in the past And the second one is a private cloud To large corporation. We provide this private cloud using our open stack to give them to to give the opportunity to the large corporates to build Private cloud with the much lower cost Give them the Way to exit from, you know, the hyperscaler cloud like global cloud here Then we provide each cloud throughout thailand Our point is you want to Give them the low latency With the 5g rollout here in thailand I think it is the perfect timing for us to Do the 5g with iiot In thailand, which i'm going to show you later on So so these are very simple kind of a strategy that if you have public cloud If you have private cloud if you have h-cloud, I think all these combined to be the hyperscaler for Public for the corporate and for ism as well Next one, please Okay, here is some of the diagram that we Would like to talk about the edge side and central side With the technology from open source, you know, we can roll out the edge cloud easily With the technology of tungsten fabric, we can reduce the overhead of H-cloud to the minimum like only set and the open stack. I think we can we can Save some of the cost of network Server network node, I think we roll out with the Juniper network on that one with the tungsten fabric on it Actually, Juniper has the its own Contrail, but we use the open source to do that. So it it makes a lot of Overall cost a lot cheaper to do that with the edge cloud But anyway, we still connect with the central side. Okay, so as you can see that this is really Architecture that it's going to give us the more freedom to roll out the edge cloud Okay, next please Okay, here's another overview of Overall hybrid strategy For us here in Thailand. We do have the main site Which is in in mainly you're gonna see mainly in the central Bangkok We have three sites here and it's all fabric networking. You can Using you can pick anyone you like, you know to to pull to To kept your cloud up and running here now If you want to have your own Private cloud, I think we can set up for them and then By just extended out to our main site here Okay, or it could be edge cloud Uh, it could be the reseller program that we can keep them another public cloud But it's we authorize bias Okay, all of this you can connect to VPN To the global cloud like areas gcp or a choice Okay, so we we call this enterprise because we Looking for the SLA up to 99.99 percent. That's our goal. What we we want to achieve that Okay, next please Okay, here's the some site map of thailand as you can see that You know all the Main site is in central Bangkok And the edge site is around the country here and this one site that we call it both call Core site and it's I own one here as well Okay, next please like I said here, you know, we When we do this we start out we want to have some kind of a good standard to control what we Have to do with this kind of a product here. So we we have to have You know global standard to support what we do here I think we we have done a great job to get the standard ISO 27,000 07 27 000 0 0 1 that's about information security management system. We have 2000 ISO 2000, which is about the information technology service management And also the last one is about ISO 29 1 1 0 now. This is one we use to Uh control the process of writing the software For for the nipa cloud platform As you know horizon is always a hard to use In general public. So what we have done here we wrote ncp Or nipa cloud platform software to control and communicate with the open stack api So we can pull out a lot of Advanced features Okay, and then make it available to the users So this ISO coming to handy to help out control the process of writing that software next please Okay, here is some of our partner. I think working in terms of private and public cloud as you can see You need to have a good partner in terms of hardware bfmd Our new our new enterprise public cloud is our amd and it's our dedicated call we provide Just like the public cloud Like a global public cloud that they they have available dedicated call and media and the same thing here Again, like I said juniper is a big partner for us in terms of network And then the wing is about solutions for the backup. We also hook up with cloud fair as well Okay, so that make it a lot easier in terms of providing the cdn okay, and Here's some of our clients here from nipa cloud as for private cloud, we have a customer from banking industry a gu tai bank here and AIS and 3vb is a telecom company We we are providing all these private clouds to them and For the public cloud, I think we have a lot of them. We just show some of you here It is all mostly SME in thailand. I think still a lot of Beginner here in terms of get on or migrate to cloud So there's a lot of them that learn how to use it. And I think we can help them get on the cloud with much lower cost Because of the open source technology that we we have here next please Maybe that's the end Okay, all right That was fantastic Yeah, one of the things that I found the most interesting was that you said, you know with open stack and sep and tungsten fabric You're only using open source technologies. What is the advantage to just using open source technologies for your private and public cloud? What what does that provide for your customers as well as your business overall? Oh Business overall, I think open source is really help us get to What we want to be faster Okay, even though, you know By saying that sound like It's easy, but it's not over stack is always complicated You know, as you know, this is the 11th year of open stack and sep also come along together here I think when you get on that, it's always hard But but without these open source you you will will never ever get on this thing, right? So I think thank you to community to help us to get on to this so we can build the product on this one Now when you talk about tungsten fabric, it's even harder. Okay. I think when when you look at it I thought wow tungsten is as complicated as open stack as well So we need to have more people to get on that thing as well So with all those hard things, I think it helps a lot in terms of business But in terms of customer, I think we can save them a lot of money I mean cost wise. I think This is really a Great journey if you can save cost to any company to get on cloud That's mean we have computing power That they can afford It's affordable. Yeah. No, that's really interesting and I look forward to discussing that actually at the end of the Episode with the rest of the panelists so we can kind of get everyone's perspective on that But thank you again for that presentation It's really exciting to see the open stack and overall open infrastructure momentum in thailand But we'll bring you back at the end of the episode Up next we have um joshua cornut from o-rock technologies to talk about their hybrid cloud strategy So take it away joshua Hi Yep, i'm at o-rock technologies. We're a public cloud provider Focusing in the federal military and regulated commercial markets Um, we are heavily audited by fed ramp, dod, fizma, hippa, pci Some others that don't come to mind And and honestly you've gotten so good at going through some of these processes that we now offer Um Help with fed ramp for customer applications to go through their processes Um So here's our region map of what we have today You can see we have a lot of focus on the On the dc area The east coast all data centers sock to type 2 We have a couple of sites. We're kind of eyeballing in uh in dallas and detroit and All of our regions are Identical in the sense of they're all running open stack wallaby seph octopus Ops And actually just You know one note is that in the next couple of weeks. We're rolling out Zena into production everywhere We've had a lot of success with some of the some of the features in that release So we stay pretty pretty bleeding edge Just some of our our highlight customers here The army which i'll go into at the at the end of this set of slides Um, and then red hat both a partner and a customer Has helped significantly along our Uh open stack journey and seph journey They were they were with us in the very early days when we We're trying to figure out how to even get Open stack and seph through the fed ramp process which requires things like fips mode Where if any part of the stack is using a non-fips algorithm, uh, it's going to fail And and back then that was a real real concern. I know that's been fixed upstream everywhere in in more modern releases, but Yeah, we were working very closely with red hat in that regard Next slide So our stack, um, you know pretty pretty interesting. So we have a lot of Internal bandwidth capabilities. We we do offload where where we can with things like melanox smart mix kind of a unique advantage Of of our cloud is um, we don't charge bandwidth fees for for data So if you put data in you can get data out Without getting that surprise bill that that I think a lot of companies are Are too comfortable with uh at the moment And that goes to sort of our our focus on ai at the moment, right large data sets and we don't want to We don't want to hold data hostage, right? We want to enable collaboration between different clouds and different Different on-prem clouds and things like that We have a lot of interesting hardware for the compute side We have nvidia gpus throughout and we have this this really great partnership with samba nova Who is a ai acceleration company? They they have these this fancy hardware that Will blow your mind in terms of of model training and things like that Uh, and we are we're the only cloud offering that that technology We have some uh technology for vm isolation So like right now generally in a cloud if you if you spin up a vm Maybe you get some dedicated threads or something like this, but at the end of the day, you're still kind of time slicing And sharing cash and things like that sharing bits of the hardware stack that's there With this technology that is co-developed with Intel and blocky martin you actually get dedicated resources including cpu cash. So things like side channel attacks and and You know that that goes away and also mission mission critical computing real-time os is they can work on a shared cloud environment So that's something we're we're really happy to have as an available option tons of storage You know all seph of course both for block and objects and even ephemeral I believe And and I would say one of our our biggest pieces or components of our cloud Is definitely s3 that compatibility layer for object storage Next slide So since this is about hybrid cloud I wanted to highlight a Kind of recent success we've had in the hybrid cloud Arena and that's with what's called project druid With with dco out of the army They needed a prototype or a poc of a way to Make the authorization process easier for For private sector companies. So so imagine you're You know a company that develops a software right any company and you want to Do business within the military or the army specifically There's a lot of hoops and and there's a lot of things you have to prove and it's a pretty big lift in order to To prove the security the audit ability The maintainability reporting all of that All of those artifacts and get to Both a production release as well as all of those those components you would have to present That and then be reviewed That's a big burden on both sides both both the receiving end and the software development side So this cacd platform, which is a hybrid cloud in the sense that There's there's the commercial side or the private sector side running on on our public cloud And then that rolls up and is syncing to another open stack private cloud on their side on on the army side to do additional processing review And in kind of a side benefit is they can take some of the elements that is being developed in the public or the private space And and enhance that and and put on Application layers that otherwise couldn't be in in our cloud for various security reasons So, um, I think that's it's probably all I all I have Yeah, thanks joshua So one of the things that you brought up that I thought, um, you know, it's it was a new term for me So I want to make sure that the audience kind of understands is the fed ramp compliance So can you actually explain what that means and you know, o-rock is one of the or maybe the only fed ramp compliant public cloud out there So just understanding what kind of impact that has for your end users really interesting to hear Sure. So I believe we are the only open stack Open stack based cloud on the fed ramp marketplace and I I think we may also be there for sef And I think there's one other open shift as well. So, um Yeah, so fed ramp tries to tries to lower the burden on On authorizing agents. So anyone in the government or possibly the military with reciprocity to To be able to accept an application or to use it, right? It means that you've already gone through enough security controls And review by by fed ramp that that with a much lighter review you could be accepted within within the government It's very similar to like do the impact levels And there's reciprocity there. So having like a fed ramp high authorization Can can really lower the the entry point to getting into like a do the impact level for something like that And and it puts our customers at ease right especially in the regulated markets they want to bring a sensitive application over or there's certain data that Um, you know, they they just can't put in any cloud Well with a certain fed ramp designation or certain doD designation You know, they can they can trust that we have a high enough security baseline Okay, so yeah knowing that your customers are of some government agencies I'm sure that security reassurance is something that's pretty critical to their cloud strategy Yeah, absolutely right if you're in the financial sector or the healthcare sector, right? You know things like things like hippos good for sure The things like fed ramp can set a lot more security controls that go above and beyond Okay, awesome Well, I'm going to go ahead and bring back Muhammad and dr. Abishab To actually just talk as a group You know, what we've discussed so far is what all of your different hybrid cloud strategies are But now I kind of want to explore why why hybrid cloud? Why not standardize on either a public or a public private cloud? Why is there this need for this use case where you're using a little bit of each? I'm going to throw it to Muhammad first to see if you want to kick off the discussion And then Joshua and dr. Abishab feel free to chime in as well Thank you, Allison. I guess it's really The use case driven As we know, let's just pick the example of The wireless connectivity With end users consuming gigs and gigs of data All the applications require really low latency And you know high quality of contents With all that throughput going through the network You can't really host that type of application and provide that kind of Quality of service by putting everything in public cloud The latency itself will become an issue and become a bottleneck So so the hybrid cloud basically gives us the ability to to segregate Things into into layers, you know Applications and and things that need a lot of throughput a lot of capacity You can put them close to where the end user is So that the latency is low And then the applications and the functions that oversee the entire network But but our latency tolerant you can put them in the public cloud So that you know, they can oversee the entire network and don't have to worry But that model, you know, not only you provide the best quality of service and performance in slas You can also scale up and down With the public cloud within no time So it's it's my in my opinion. It's best of both world and that's where the industry is really going Interesting any more obvious act do you want to chime in on that one? Yeah, um, I I look at hybrid cloud strategy is more like You keep you keep freedom to users your freedom to move your public cloud infrastructure down into your premise Because maybe it's about the law because of the policy That you need to keep it in there or because like, you know gdpr or pdpa here in thailand I think with that kind of law you should really move All your infrastructure within the country or within your company here So that's kind of freedom. It's great. But again, you don't want to be stuck Within that thing right with the hybrid cloud. You can just jump to the public cloud again If you really have need or there's something that Is available to be on the public cloud. I think you have that kind of freedom. So I think it's really great strategy That's why you can see that the value of the hybrid cloud in in the future is really high I think everybody will go ahead and try to Utilize that kind of a Strategy with their own company. I think it's great for everyone You brought up some things like gdpr and I know josh We were just talking about security perspectives with you know, government agencies Um, so security seems to be a top of mind driver for hybrid cloud Do you feel like that's the case with your customers as well? Uh, yeah, I think security is really a big concern as well when you get when you move everything to cloud, right? so In in terms of the security the law I think we have to look into it closely by providing something in the cloud You need to understand that completely and I think we cannot ignore it and we have to focus on that You know very very hard And so one of the questions I asked dr. Aboushek earlier And I'm going to throw this one to you joshua is you know, you've all talked about different integrations with open source technologies We've heard sef and open stack some open shift tungsten fabric starling x all over the open infrastructure map But what is the advantage to using open source technologies in a hybrid cloud use case? So joshua, what's your perspective on that? Sure, so the ability to To own the code right to be able to take it in-house merge when needed right pull when needed But to be able to make In our case security Changes to to code right and without waiting on a vendor or without waiting on anybody right We have we have enough talented people in house that it's significantly faster for us to Innovate at the speed of the community then have to pick up a phone and wait a few weeks for like a z-release type of type of situation And that's what we worked hard to get away from and why we're now Um, you know, we're on upstream code You know and we're pulling from that making changes and then trying to push back what we can and then you know rinse and repeat Right, so it just enables really fast development and innovation and then of course the The cost savings gets passed along to the customer Actually meant you brought up that you're upstream first. Um, I meant to congratulate you on about to being on zina I feel like it was just released which it was like less than a month ago So that kind of um, you know adoption so quickly is really awesome And it sounds like the upgrades have gotten a little bit easier. Um, since y'all are able to stay so up to date Yeah, so so now we roll around containers. We have a very nice process around how do we take A certain branch or a certain set of code Package it up, you know test it all so honestly We were we were testing in in staging and pre prod of zina before You know g a so to us, you know It was g a not too long ago, but we've been working with it for the most part, you know sends a couple of commits For for a little while Well, that's awesome. Congratulations. Um, so mohammed. I'm going to throw that open source question to you What do you think the advantages of open source technologies are for hybrid cloud and and edge computing use case I'll build on what joshua said and I'll just kind of Do you guys an example of the the wireless networks? right Traditionally the wireless networks were built with the proprietary hardware proprietary software And very expensive You know Adding new use cases was a long shot if you have to make a simple change It was a six month process right Now look at the beauty of open source in in this disaggregation You can buy the hardware from a new vendor hp whatever is generic hardware much cheaper easier A lot more powerful And then you have To dr. Let me she explained the freedom to buy the software open source software from anyone So with that now you the end customer is really in the center of decision making They're not hostage to those traditional vendors They have ability to pick and choose once you pick that Now everyone is a network function, which is you know contained rights And for each function you have multiple options So you have the ability to pick the best of the best for each application each function And with that you can build the best possible network at at the cost, you know Budget you have It's a game changer for the operators and the cost savings are going to get passed down to the Consumers along with a lot more benefits and value at services So we're all in a really exciting times in my opinion No, I agree. I think it's interesting hearing, you know All the cost savings and efficiencies that open source and even hybrid cloud as a use case bring Because at the end of the day, that's what customers and end users want they want to do things faster Cheaper and better and usually those three things aren't all possible at the same time But it's you know, it's interesting to see that you know open source at least enables us to get part of the way there and really You know be a game changer and innovation for our hybrid cloud and just cloud in general That was a lot of my questions. I don't think we have any from the audience But did y'all have any parting words before we wrap up the episode? All right, now I will go ahead and wrap things up First of all, I wanted to thank you all here You're not only are you participating in an open info live episode But your organizations are also platinum gold and silver members of the open info foundation So I just want to thank you for your continued support and for all the support of these organizations We have listed here If you want to help build the next decade of open infrastructure and the technologies that we've talked about today on this episode Please go to the url here on your screen open info dot dev slash join Like Muhammad was just saying we are in a game changing time right now where open source is leading the way We're driving innovation and you definitely want to come join us as we build this next decade But in less than a decade and actually just two weeks. We have our next event Um, it's the open info live keynotes. So today was open in for live, but in two weeks We have our very special edition. 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