 We're going to be able to get everybody tested, found audio video, all that good stuff or did we get, was Planner Shekali still having an issue. It looks like Planner Shekali is still having an issue, so we are messaging with her to try to remedy that. Okay, so I was, yeah, we're just getting about to be 430, so I was thinking maybe we'll just hang on it so we can get her here and see you now. Well, with that, then, I guess we'll start. So let's have everybody turn on their cameras there. That'd be great. And we'll get rockin' and rollin' here. Oh, but you can't hear still, Monet? Monet, are you still having a technical issue? Well, we can work that on the background, I think, so she can start hearing everybody, but we'll get her here. Everybody? Okay. So welcome to, I can't remember what day it is, August 4th, regularly scheduled meeting of the Design Review Board of City Santa Rosa. They'll pursuant to Government Code Section 54953e and the recommendation of the Health Officer County of Sonoma. Design Review Board members will be available virtually by navigating to www.zoom.us slash join or by calling toll-free 877-835-35257 and for both of those you can use the meeting ID 816-1176-1047. Public access to the meeting is through the Zoom platform and you can provide comments during the very specified public comment as well. The meeting is available at the City's website at srcity.org slash Design Review Board. The meeting is live-streamed on the City's website at santa-rosa.legistar.com slash calendar. You click on the in-progress link to view the meeting. The meeting is also available on Comcast Channel 28 and you can also tune in on the City of Santa Rosa's YouTube channel, youtube.com slash City of Santa Rosa. With that, I will turn it over to the recording secretary for a roll call. Thank you. Let the record reflect that all members are present. Were you able to hear my roll call? We were. Excellent. I was pulling something up on my little iPad here. I didn't have it up. With that, we will move on to the meeting minutes. I believe I understand this correctly. We have to have the majority of the people that were in attendance at the meeting to be able to approve the minutes. We have to do each of these individually because the two of them I wasn't present at. We can't do them as a chunk. With that, the January 6th meeting minutes, does anybody have a question? Everybody was at that meeting with the exception of our two recently retired BRB members, I guess. Everybody else was there. The four of us excluding Mark. I think we can move that into the record now, Michelle. And then March 17th was a meeting that I was not at. But John, Adam, Mark were there. And that's the majority of who is there. So do you guys have any issues with the meeting minutes from that meeting? No. So with Michael wasn't there. So with no changes from those guys, we will enter March 17th into the record. And then finally May 19th. I believe I was the only one absent. Everybody else was there. So did you four have an issue with the minutes from that study session before the meeting? No. So with that, we will enter May 19th into the record. So fantastic. So I know we've had that January 6th one. Kind of as an outlier because we haven't seen to have all of us here to approve that kind of funny. Okay. So now item three public comment. This is where we like to hear public comment on items not on the agenda. Thank you so much. And I'm not seeing any hands at this time. Okay. So with that, we will close item three public comment and move on to item four. We would like to address the board on permanent domain to our purview. Now would be the time so you can raise your hand in the zoom meeting and you'll be recognized by the recording secretary. So I will turn it over the recording secretary now to recognize public comment on items not on the agenda. So I'm going to move on to item four, which is board business. This is where we read the board's statement of purpose. Zoning code chapter 20. 52.030 F project review review authority shall consider location design site plan configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties and the city in general review shall be conducted by comparing applicable zoning code standards and requirements consistency of the project and the city's design guidelines, architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements, e.g. the city policy statements and development plans. So with that we'll go on to item 4.2 board member reports. Are there any board member reports this evening? And then item 4.3 other we recently had a board member leave us Sheila Wolski and so I just wanted to thank her for her service on the board. I believe Sheila had to leave due to a conflict of interest of serving on the board. So thank you very much Sheila for serving on the board. And then also I had kind of been holding off to mention anything about this and then then we haven't had a meeting unfortunately. We're going to do a little bit more later in the year once we can finalize the resolution I think is what it's called but Warren Hedgepeth sadly passed away a couple months ago and we just hadn't had a meeting to recognize him and we're still going to do that in a more formal way and a more with resolutions for other things and city staff still working on that and they've been working really hard on that. I think it's almost done but I did want to let everybody know that was in process. So with that that concludes board member reports and other so anything else you guys have any comments on those items? No? Okay. Alright so with that I will turn it over to our once again new staff liaison Amy Nicholson thank you chair waggle and members of the board good afternoon it is nice to see you all we've had a few months off of meetings so happy to be back and happy to be back as the staff is onto this board thank you chair for your comments about board member Hedgepeth and yes we look forward to coming out with the more formal recognition of his service I also kind of tagging on to your comments about board member Wolski we certainly appreciate her contribution to this board and the reason she's not on the board anymore is because she's one of the five new planners that have recently joined the city so it's very exciting we're very happy to have her so you'll be seeing her soon in a different capacity so we have a total of three new development review planners she was one and then we hired one new planner for our advanced planning team so we're very excited to be fully staffed once again and yeah they all look forward to coming before you and then your future and then finally on the staff note I just wanted to recognize that Michelle Montoya who was formerly the reporting secretary she is here tonight but Eileen Cleary will be the recording secretary from here going forward and Eileen is fantastic and we're in great hands with her we will definitely miss Michelle she's amazing and we'll probably still see her again helping to support as needed but I just wanted to thank Michelle for all of her wonderful work Eileen so that concludes my department report thank you thanks Amy yeah I figured I'd leave the announcement of Sheila's recent hire at the city to you and not spoil the surprise there a little bit alright so with that we'll go on to item six statements of abstention does anybody excuse me does anyone have any statements of abstention on the schedule item 8.1 tonight alright seeing none we will go to item 7 consent items there are none and so with that we will move on to item 8.1 which is the scheduled item for the evening that is a public hearing for 420 Mendocino ERUR previously certified by DC Design Review 420 Mendocino Avenue DR22-020 and so with that we will turn it over to Planner Sakali for a staff report okay thank you chair and good afternoon board members so let me share my power point I'm using the new computer so just be patient I will get there okay and here okay here so as you mentioned the project is located at 420 Mendocino Avenue and the proposed project would consist of demolition of an existing two commercial buildings and construction of an approximately 172,000 square foot 8 story building comprised of a grand floor commercial space and 161 unit multi-family housing project that would include studios one bedroom and two bedroom units and also a 100 space garage the grand floor would include commercial and amenities spaces and an outdoor courtyard and here is the project location along Mendocino Avenue Bridie Street and Fifth Street the site is located in downtown Santa Rosa and is surrounded by commercial and mix use buildings and here are some of the photos of the existing buildings on the site that are going to be demolished and the existing surface parking lot which is here and about the general plan and zone the zone is core mix use which is consistent with the general plan land use designation the zone has a maximum floor area ratio range from 3 to 8 and residential uses are permitted by right in the zone also two parcels that are along Mendocino Avenue and Fifth Street both are between downtown station area combined industry the intent of this zone is to create walkable environments by establishing development form and streetscape standards a brief history of the project so in 2018 the project was reviewed by the design review board as a concept and the same year the project was approved by the zoning administrator meeting at that time the project was approved for only two parcels the parcels on Mendocino and Riley Avenue so this year April of this year the applicant submitted a new project adding the third parcel at the corner of Riley and Fifth Street and making some exterior changes to the project the project site is located between downtown station area specific plan priority development area and as you may know those project that have residential they come to the design review board as a concept and then they go to the zoning administrator for review however to allow a more streamlined review of the previously approved project the planning director elected to elevate the review of this project to the design review instead of the zoning administrator so instead of having a one concept design review and then the zoning administrator went into the design review for a final decision and here is the site plan for the proposed project the two main residential entrances would be located one on Mendocino Avenue and the other one on Fifth Street which would be connected to a small private parcel that would also access a private courtyard the commercial space and the common space would be located on the same street frontages the parking garage entrance which mechanical room and bike room and trash room will be located along Riley Street there is no minimum parking spaces required for the project that are within a downtown station area specific plan however the applicant is providing 100 parking spaces within a proposed garage and here is one of the building sections that shows location of the staff parking, bike room the commercial space that can be used as a restaurant and the two parcel that have the downtown station area combined in this week also have the active grand floor overlay new developments the active grand floor overlay need to provide design features that would optimize the pedestrian experience the project includes features such as building overhang pieces of interior along the street ornamental planting boxes clear glazing window and commercial space also the parcel along fifth street has another overlay called downtown transitional standards overlay buildings in this zone shall step back a minimum of six feet above the fifth floor or as approved by the review authority as you can see here the proposed building is not stepping back above the fifth floor as a result the applicant is requesting the review authority to avoid the requirement of the fifth floor step back because they want to maintain the previously approved project to be consistent with what was approved in 2018 and this slide shows the grand floor plan which includes the private outdoor space with some landscape features the commercial space and the common space also two of the residential units would be located on the third floor and here is the north elevation and there would be another private terrace or balcony on the third floor here being showing the red square rectangular and this is the sap elevation there is also a roof they propose on the eighth floor along Vendocino avenue here is also showing the rectangular and this is the east elevation which is along the street the entrance to the garage will be placed along the street some units as you can see would include some private balconies would be minimum of 40 square feet and this is west elevation here is another private courtyard and again some of the units would include balconies facing the courtyard that again has prepared a presentation a thorough presentation and will discuss the proposed project in greater detail and the proposed building would incorporate various materials into the exterior designs such as textured concrete, hardy siding metal cladding glaze opening, open metal mesh screening, wood siding and metal balconies this slide shows materials and color details that will also be explained by the architect during the applicant's presentation and here is a 3D view of the building from endocino avenue and the project has been reviewed in compliance with the california environmental quality act and qualifies for 3 exemptions the project is consistent with the downtown station area specific plan and the general plan and also qualifies for an infill development public comment staff has received two emails one expressing this pleasure with the project due to the height and size of the building staff responded to the email and explained how the zone allows a story building and it meets the floor area requirement and the second email was in support of the project stating that the building of the size density right in the center of the downtown core will do wonders for the businesses in this area and appreciates how the project has expanded to include the frontage space along fifth street and with that the planning and economic development department recommends that the design review board by resolution for an a story building located at 420 Mendocino avenue this was my presentation I'm available to answer questions the applicant team has prepared also a presentation that I'm going to share it if boards have no questions from the staff today right now actually what we've done in the past money is just roll right into the applicant presentation and then have questions about staff in the applicant we found it seems to speed up things for us so if you could get the applicant set up and while we're doing that I'm just going to run through everybody on ex parte disclosure because this is a public hearing so does anybody have any ex parte disclosure regarding this project did any did the app can reach out at all okay so not seeing any ex parte disclosure we'll just move on to the applicants presentation and I don't have any ex parte disclosure either so sorry to jump in if the applicants could raise their hand for me please all good Michelle please keep me honest okay they should all have speaking permissions now hello can you hear me yes hi my name is Aaron Landrous I am the project architect for the project part of David Bigger architects I want to thank the designer view board those joining from the public we have spent a lot of time thinking about how this project could benefit the downtown area those who live there and those who would like to move there and we're excited to share some more details about it next slide so as my name mentioned this project has a history that has started in 2018 and this is a comparison of that project versus the proposed scheme by the numbers so we're maintaining the same height we've squeezed an additional level within that same building envelope to get some more units we're going from 128 to 161 units and we've also we're proposing increasing the parking yield to 100 spaces for the project next slide we're attaching some imagery here to that project history this is the 2018 proposal next slide so this was the original proposal occupying all three parcels that were currently proposing development for next slide we reduced the scale of the project to develop only two of those three parcels leaving the parcel on Mendocino and Riley undeveloped next slide so next slide so now we're back to where we started developing all three parcels and next slide and one more and so just here's a comparison of all three iterations of the project at a glance next slide you can see the aerial view here and we'll also kind of show some before and proposed imagery later on in the presentation next slide so here's some diagrams just explaining the design intent and some of the building features we're trying to enhance the corners of the projects with premium materials this is where we'd like to use a standing seam metal to help articulate these corners next slide we're also proposing as mentioned private balconies private rooftop garden and podium area we're in these spaces both looking to provide benefit to the building occupant interest to the facade and also to the streetscape below as pedestrians can pick up on the activity in some of these spaces next slide we are as Monet mentioned mindful of the goal of activating the street and the downtown area and so you can see highlighted red here how we're trying to maintain continuity in this commercial zone around the ground level that commercial space we're providing on exactly right there fifth and Riley and then our main residential lobby is going to be transparent we're going to have lots of planting we're really looking to enhance the pedestrian experience here at the ground floor next slide here's a snapshot of where the residential portions of the building will be eight stories which will be occupied by units with a handful of units there on level one and two next we're going to optimize the roof for solar next slide again to also enhance the performance of the building we're going to have sunshades articulating our openings this will also add depth and interest to the building facade next slide here's that ground floor plan again that Monet presented our main building entry lobby is off of Mendocino but again as Monet mentioned residents will also be able to enter off of fifth street in that private pedestrian passage next this is a level two plan some residential units here also some residential amenity spaces on the southern portion of the plan and that's our double height garage plan northwest next here's a typical residential floor next here are renderings so this is the view off of Mendocino you can see that double height glass we're also introducing an additional street tree along this facade to help maintain the cadence of planting on this street next slide here's a comparison of our previous project in 2018 which is what we're proposing now so you can see we're maintaining a lot of the same design cues with those vertical sunshades and premium materials at the corners next slide here's a close up of our proposed building entry off of Mendocino next slide yeah what we had previously was what we have now next slide here is that commercial space on fifth and Riley next slide here is that view in comparison to the previous proposal so as you can see we're trying to maintain some of the same design language with double height concrete walls sandwiching some transparent storefront and here's the view along Riley and as compared to the floor thank you thanks for your review and consideration of this project we appreciate that I just wanted to before we go into questions I wanted to just when we saw this project last was the chair I believe and there were a couple of comments made during that and I went back and I looked at the I don't think Adam you were on the board the very very first time I think maybe the second time but there were a couple comments and I just wanted to read them out real quick because I think they'd actually address them in the redesign which is kind of interesting just my thought study the number of elevators and stairs for public safety and ease of convenience study a possible increase of sidewalk width on Riley Street consider less textural concrete finishes the board form aspire to meet the outstanding material pallet presented at concept review and explore whether a secure entry or a vestibule for the bicycle area can be worked into the project plan maximize landscaping in public spaces so I just wanted to reiterate those were the original comments from the originally proposed project and this is now the historical context this is the third time we've seen this project because the first time was kind of the same size it is now at least from a footprint standpoint and then the second time I believe the applicant lost an option on one of the parcels so they have to scale the project back and that's where the reduced what kind of permitted and then it sounds like they've got the option back on the third parcel now and so they can increase the project size again so I thought that's really that's just what I remembered from the project being I think the longest ten-year member of the board right now and I just thought that would be helpful maybe to cue off some questions that you guys might have both of the applicant and or staff so we'll go to that we'll just go to questions and then we'll do public comment does sound good everybody or do you want to do public comment first it's up to you guys I like public comment first it allows us to really address some questions in that format it's probably a better approach and let's do that yeah let's do that then so if the three members of the applicant team could lower their hands that way we don't call on you guys for public comment so what we'll do right now is we'll ask we'll open up public comment John go ahead when you say open up public it is a public hearing so you can open up the public hearing right okay thank you I got to open up the public hearing yeah sorry thanks for the language so I'm going to open up the public hearing now Drew can you hear me yeah my sound I don't know if it was my zoom or whatever it cut out for the last part of the presentation and the first part of your comments afterwards I want to make sure never could hear me so things a little weird yeah we can we got to Adam okay great okay yeah so let's open up the public hearing and I'm going to turn it over to the recording secretary to manage the attendees so please raise your hand if you would like to make a comment on this project and so I will turn it over to the recording secretary thank you so much Kajmer to you if you could please start by stating your name for the record my name is Jackie can you hear me hello hey Jackie one second it looks like we lost our timers so let's let staff get that worked out and then we'll turn it back over to you thanks want to make sure you get your three minutes not a you know don't want to short change it at all so let's wait for city staff to get that three that timer back up for you give me just one moment my computer is not playing nicely we've got the timer Michelle and so whenever you're ready let's turn it over to the public commenter and please state your name and for the record and usually you know if you like you live nearby or something like that that's also very helpful so should I go hello let's wait for Michelle to I was just waiting for Michelle to get off here so when you start counting Jackie please proceed okay I actually live very close to this project at the corner of Humboldt and 7th Street and I'm concerned about the project on a number of levels the traffic impact that would happen on my street because I think they would come out of Rilinga right down 7th and the parking issue I'm a little bit worried that there's going to only be 100 parking spaces for 161 units my main concern is I'm not real happy with the design this doesn't look Mediterranean this doesn't look like some quaint building that people would come and marvel at at a you know in a white country town and it doesn't seem to fit it looks like brutalist architecture to me it's black it's steel it's unappealing on a number of levels everyone who's seen it the fly put the fly on next door everyone who's seen it thought it was not very nice looking but mostly I'm concerned because these are all going to be market unit apartments as far as I can tell nobody's told me different we have enough market unit apartments right now you have to be making over $75,000 a year to afford a $2,400 one bedroom apartment in this town and many of them are going bacon right now and what we need is apartments for the working poor and people who are making minimum wage so maybe if they were willing to turn over 50 of these units for the working poor and a few of them are just on their salary or their yearly income I could possibly get behind this project but like I said I'm still concerned about the architecture the aesthetics and the fact it's going to have a profound impact on the Cherry Street Historical District which is where I live and we're a you know a collection of historic homes Victorian homes and this completely conflicts with the neighborhood it conflicts with what's going on in railroad square with what's going on on 4th Street as well. We already have a huge apartment being built over here on 4th Street over by Cancer Park and it's, I think, 100 odd units. It's all market rate apartments. So I question the need for another massive eight-story market rate apartment building in this town right now when housing is so dire for so many people. And so anyway, that's my comment and I just want to give my two cents. So thank you. Thank you for your comments. We appreciate it. Looks like there's maybe one more, Michelle. Mark, you've been given permission to speak. If you'd like to proceed. Yeah, thanks. Can you hear me okay? Yes. Okay, my name is Mark Franzer. I live on the edge of downtown and I want to say this project actually looks great. I think it's exactly the type of development we need right now. I mean, if we're serious at all about addressing the climate change crisis, we're going to have to start allowing dense and filled development. And this is it in spades. And the other good thing I like about it is you don't really need a car in order to live there. You're, you know, like probably a six-minute walk from the smart rail. You're by the transit mall. And it's generally pretty walkable neighborhood down there. I mean, downtown's probably the most walkable area in Santa Rosa. So if you're going to build housing, this is the place to do it. So I think this is a perfect fit. And finally, I just want to address the other big crisis that's going on in California and actually the nation, which is the housing crisis. And I think this does something about that, too, because the loss of supply and demand still exists. You increase the supply of housing, the price goes down. This is going to increase the supply of housing. I can't see it. Not having some positive effect on bringing down rents and bringing down the cost. So that's about it. It's a great fit for Santa Rosa and a great fit for downtown. And as someone lives on the edge of downtown, I'd be delighted to see this thing get built. And that's my whole comic, sorry. I don't have anything else to say. Thanks, Mark. We appreciate you. I'm not seeing any of the raised hands, Michelle. So I guess did we receive any other late correspondence that wasn't in the agenda packet today? We did not. Okay. Any voicemails at the city's various phone lines? No. Okay. Awesome. So with that, it sounds like it's time to close the public hearing. So I will close the public hearing now. And then we'll turn it back over to the board and we'll go around the horn here for let's do questions of staff on the applicant and then we'll go to comments because I think because we need to do a we need to do a motion and all that good stuff. So let's go to questions and I'm going to put Board Member McHugh in the hot seat today. John, you're up. Well, thank you. Thank you, Drew. I do not have any questions. So thank you very much. How did I know? How did you know? All right. How did I know you wouldn't have any questions? I don't know. Okay, great. So let's go to Board Member Staff for questions of this of staff and the applicant. Well, I'm going to throw out a question that is to the staff and applicants and anyone else with some architecture shops. I'm looking at the lot. First of all, this is an attractive well designed building. And I love the structure like this going up. I'm looking at the part of that of that block that is not part of this project. There are those two-story buildings right along Mendocino that are still there. I'm guessing that at some point, I mean, our assumption has to be that at some point in the future those are going to rise in height as well. And does that create any kind of design considerations for the pedestrian walkway and for those parts of the facade on this structure or consideration? So a broad question if anyone has any thoughts. I feel like that's a question to the architect, the architect team. And it looks like we have one of the architects raising his hand. So both of the architects. Yeah, hi. I'm Daniel Simons, Principal of David Bake Architects. And yeah, so that's actually historic building the one, the two-story one. So it won't be developed. So I think that the nature of that courtyard is going to stay pretty intact in the future. It would be much harder. Thank you. That's good information. Yeah. I think somebody just redeveloped the historic building. Well, not redeveloped, like they repaired it and painted it. I worked downtown not far from here. So I feel like that building just got redone a little bit either by Kogler, Banker, Compass or something who was in there. So I remember that was a question with one of the original presentations as well. And that was deemed to be off limits there. Yeah. I think the to your question, Mark, the possibility of redevelopment perhaps exists in the building that's on the corner of Fifth and Mendocino. That could eventually get redeveloped, torn down, changed or otherwise altered because they don't believe it has any specific ties to a historic property. So that one would is potentially up for grabs in the future. But I think maybe the design team has some other thoughts on this. You can really only design within the confines of the parcels that you're given by your client. So you've got to do the best with what you've got in order to kind of achieve the client's goals and also perhaps your own goals in terms of design and also site access and things like that in terms of and then also whatever is required for code in terms of fire access or those types of things. Maybe they can that might help too if they can maybe speak to your question there maybe with those parameters. Yeah, I think that the other thing that we found is that when you build something like this interblock passage that we've created then it becomes part of the context for the next building. So it's kind of incumbent on the the new development to respond to that and actually sometimes it inspires them to either reinforce that or you know and so I mean that's how that's how cities are built they accrete kind of over time incrementally so and like I said the historic building really does even with that corner lapping an opportunity for redevelopment I think a lot of that mid-block space that we're talking about is going to remain the character that we're designing into it is going to be there. That's very helpful. Thank you for that Daniel Any other questions Mark? No Okay Board Member Sharon Any questions of applicant or staff? Just one about the pedestrian pass-through and just wanted to confirm a report but that's that will be there are locked gates that will be locked it's not going to be open to public during at least daytime hours. Correct Okay Thank you that's all for me Thanks Adam and then Vice Chair Birch questions of the staff and yeah the only the only thing I thought the question that I have is maybe and I don't want to put staff on the spot but in order to maybe speak to the speaker in the public hearing I know we've got some pretty defined objectives for the number of units that we would like to build over a period of time be they market rate or affordable I didn't know if there was any comment on affordable versus market rate or how this project was being handled and secondly I didn't know if staff would want to indicate sort of if I'm not mistaken we're not meeting state goals for production of residential units were behind so I don't think that there's any necessarily good time to put on the brakes but maybe staff can speak to that and even throw some numbers out yeah well maybe while staff looking at Michael the thing that you're mentioning is really important so if members of the public are not familiar with this it's called Rena the Rena numbers right and so each municipality kind of has a number of units that they're supposed to hit and it's potentially tied to is you can maybe not get funding and so hitting the numbers are very important Rena is regional housing needs assessment I think or HNA I think yes any other comments on that sure yes so Rena can be regional housing needs allocation or assessment I've heard both be used but it is a requirement from the state and then that's passed through the regional government the city plan for a certain number of residential units over a period of time and believe it's I'm not remembering if it's seven or eight years and then those units are broken down into household income levels so typically half of the units would be for above moderate households or market rate and then the other half would be for lower income households we are actually moving to the housing element right now and so we're about to start a new Rena cycle and so what I can tell you is the city currently has not built all the units that it has planned for for our last Rena cycle we have done better in our market rate category but certainly adopted the downtown specific plan almost two years ago which envisioned quite a few of the city's housing units being located within this area that has close or access to many services and transit as well so and then just to add on to the affordable housing comment this project will be required to contribute to the production of affordable housing through payment of housing impact fee or in Luffy which is paid at the time of building permit issuance and then that money is distributed through the city's housing authority and it's given to affordable housing project so while this particular project might not include affordable housing units they will pay fees which will be used for affordable housing so we will see affordable housing in affordable housing elsewhere does that answer the question yeah thank you I just think refreshing the board and the public on the context of the entire situation housing. So I think it's fair to answer the public for questions they ask or concerns that they have and so I appreciate taking the time to do it. As far as the project itself goes, the architecture, the building, I do not have any questions at this time. Thanks Michael. I guess that the question I had was probably for the applicant. I think it's in the design narrative and there's like micro studios, studios, and then can you guys, I know the work that DBA has done in San Francisco is fairly pioneering in terms of kind of unit size and kind of amenities and units. Can you can you guys speak a little bit to the importance of kind of those different types of you know unit dimensions and and and why having that I guess you know mix of unit types is critical and kind of a development like this. Yeah I can speak to that. So related to the issue of affordability, we think that it's important provide a diverse array of unit types and sizes and so you know studio versus a micro studio, a micro studio will be a studio with a smaller footprint same with you know a junior one bedroom as compared to a one bedroom. So we with this building we kind of want to open up units at a variety of price points for people who are wanting to live in a variety of living situations. So I don't know if that addresses your question but that's what we're doing here with our our different unit types. I mean I think it does right. I mean you know market rate housing is defined by the footprint of the unit right. And so if a unit is smaller then obviously it's kind of cost-wise hopefully one would think right. And so providing you know a diversity of unit typologies and sizes you know provides the opportunity for various types of inhabitants right. So you may have a single person run out of a micro studio and they work down the street so they don't have a car right. And so they they just you know ride the elevator down walk downstairs walk to the office whatever right. You may rent a junior studio to a couple because they don't mind being a little or not a junior a junior one bedroom to a couple a young couple who doesn't have a lot of stuff is like hey you know we just need a place to sleep that's dry right while their you know their careers are taken off. And so I think that's you know just some examples of where different you know square footages are important because they provide flexibility in the type of occupants and renters that would be in this housing development. So I was asking the question to try to help me also answer what Vice Chair Verst asked about kind of market rate versus affordable versus diversity of you know unit typology which also then lends itself to connectivity to other things right within you know the infrastructure and fabric of a city. So anyway so I think that's it for questions. Amy can you help me here. So this is because this is a previously approved project we still is this a modification to design review is this brand spanking new. I just can't I think it's a month I want to make sure we get it right. I believe and Ms. Shekali can correct me if I'm wrong that we are looking at this. I mean we recognize this was previously reviewed by the board and a different version was approved by the zoning administrator but this was filed as a new application and I think the resolution just reads as it's a new design review project. Yeah that's true. Yeah I was having trouble. I can't open up the resolution for whatever reason on my iPad. So I was that's part of why I was asking. I just wanted to help the board you know as they move forward to try to you know make a resume. But anyway Monet I interrupted sorry. But Corey because at the time it was approved was under different zoning code. It was CD downtime commercial and now we have a different zone and also they have made changes to the facade and added new like a unit. It was 120 something and now 161. So we are treating it as a total new project. Okay so seeing does anybody have any additional questions for staff or the applicant? Okay so I'd be looking so now I'm looking to the board to do a motion on this project. Remember we've got three options a motion to approve a motion to deny and a motion to continue. I'll venture a motion to approve the resolution of the design review board the city of Santa Rosa granting design review approval for a 172 644 square foot 161 unit multifamily housing project with ground floor commercial and amenities spaces and 100 space garage located at 420 Mendocino Avenue and zero Riley Street and 611 Fifth Street AP numbers 009-026-009 009-026-014 and 009-026-006 file number dr-22-020 and wave the reading of the text. Thank you Vice Chair Birch. I'm looking for a second. We looks like we got two seconds there one from John and one from Mark so who wants it? Two. All right we'll put Mark down in a second. I think I heard him first. All right so there is now a motion on the table so we'll go around and we'll get some comments and I'll write some notes and see if we've got some conditions to add to the project so with that I will go to board member Sharon for his comments. Okay all right thank you Drew and thank you Mone for bringing this to us and for a wonderful presentation as usual. Thank you to Project Team for bringing this back to us. I was excited to see this come back I did get to see it before and I'm excited to see it again and thank you for the rejiggering the design and adding to it and enhancing it. I think you did a wonderful job. You're cutting out pretty good. Yeah it's Zoom's been I decided to go on an upgrade Odyssey right before I logged in maybe it come back to me I don't know. Yeah let me so just so you know what I did is I dialed in with my phone so you like disconnect your headphones and you can say there's an option you know use phone to dial in and it gives you like a little participant ID that may work for you it works for me I use it a lot for work and stuff because Zoom just and teams seem to act up so we'll come back to you while maybe you figure that out. So let's go to board members that for comment. I'll just reiterate what I mentioned before that this seems like an attract or it is an attractive well-designed project I like seeing the different iterations I'm glad that we have more units and then we're taking advantage of all three of those lots and beyond that I don't have any comments I'm looking forward to seeing this could build. Thanks Mark. Board member McHugh do you have any comments? I do I very much like the project and I like the design and I like the idea that we're building it downtown because I think we need residential development downtown and so I'm excited about that and I certainly like the changes that the applicant has made from the original proposal I think it makes it a much more attractive building. I also want to speak to the comments regarding the size of the building and the eight stories and near of historical districts and that sort of thing in the sense that you know the city is in a transition period from the town it used to be becoming the city it's about to become and I think that there's that conflict that we have but at the same time I really do believe that we do need a viable downtown and we need people living down there and so what I'm suggesting is is that this is the type of project that will attract people to downtown and be a boon for the businesses that are there so those are my comments. Thanks John appreciate you Adam did we get your sound worked out you think? We'll find out. I can hear you so let's do it. Is it cutting out at all? No it's good. Okay so I guess it was the maybe the earbuds or something or maybe it's zoom have a talking to this computer after this. Okay well I don't know if you could hear anything that I said before but just wanted to thank once again thank you for a wonderful presentation as usual and for the applicants bringing a very solid project and a really good update to what we saw before I remember the presentation the proposal before and this is a really great iteration and adds a lot to what you already had is a great project and it also continues the great work that the big architects already do all over the Bay Area and the country so thank you for doing this here and yes it's I'll echo my fellow board members comments that this is a great project I don't have too much feedback really I think that the design is an innovative one in how it is fitting into the site and wraps around on that corner I really appreciate the infill aspect of it I do appreciate the courtyard that you're providing there wrapping around the historic buildings in that corner it's really you know you have an enforced setback really designed setback with that courtyard there and so you have this large massive building but it's not going to be imposing over the the that corner it's actually stepped back and so it's a great opportunity and I think that you've maximized your the potential for the design of that area and so really well done there I do think that um yeah your your um the architects point about this is how buildings are very cities are made um is that um typologies come through and are innovated and it respond to each other um and this is responding to some of the new typologies that are happening um now um right around the corner there are new buildings that have gone up and are going up and will go up and this is going to fit right in um and um I also think that it you know it does not just mirror anything that's that's either there or is proposed and is providing um some new visual interest and um a new um massing for for that area and is going to be a real great asset for that corridor the Mendocino corridor particular and for um for the courthouse square in downtown area um also uh one of the public comments was mentioning um how this is going to be um you know there's the new theater that's going in um right around the corner from this and this is um yeah you know we're having a confluence of amenities and housing um and services ideally and that is how cities are made and that's how people come and that's how people are attracted and this is going to bring um a lot of people um and is you know there's there's um parking involved but there's also um plenty of of amenities um for um non-car centric um living as well and so um I think that the design is wonderful um and your um site planning is is is really great and uh thanks for bringing it and um I really look forward to seeing this um becoming part of the city so thanks very much thanks adam and uh we'll go to vice chair birch for his color great thank you yeah I was uh on the board when we approved the project in 2018 I took a hiatus and um wondered even as recently as a as a couple of months ago about where this project went and I kept telling people there was this fantastic project on mendicino and it was really great to see it really show up here uh alive and back at its original size I love the connection between the two streets and the opportunity that that passageway provides residents to have a couple of ways in and out of the building onto a quieter street out on the mendicino um I really like the uh updates to the facade I think that um the massing was always great I think some of the materials we looked at in 2018 were a bit fussier this is cleaner this is this just has a stronger character I think um it's not trying to hide behind anything too soft and it's just going to be a great addition to downtown I think that it's really important to build um build buildings and build cities in an honest way in the time that you are building and developing those cities and I think that John your point about the transition from a town to a city being a bit painful but it is happening and uh we don't want uh we you know we don't need a we don't need a fake stone plan on the bottom of of a eight-story residential building we need this really wonderful innovative inset overhang porch that creates some room around the base I appreciate it it appears as though that's gotten a bit deeper since the 2018 um version if I'm not mistaken there was a little bit there is more sidewalk there uh and more room so I think it's a great project I you know we've covered all the reasons that we need these projects downtown and um this is uh you know eight stories it is is tall building for Santa Rosa eight stories designed to this level which is a couple gears uh which is a couple gears above and beyond what a lot of other projects that we're seeing at three and four stories this building has taken its responsibility this design has taken its responsibility at going up to eight stories and being downtown and said we're going to we're going to make this something to look at at that scale and I think people are going to be really impressed if this project is uh executed at as designed here we're going to be really it's going to be an impressive building to see downtown so nothing but positive things to say appreciate the the design team and the developer uh staying at this and we can't wait to see it get built so thanks Michael um so actually I I had one question about an architectural thing and I I got lost in what I was uh in my questions earlier so the hardy siding that's indicated on your sheet A11 um the the photo shows uh hardy siding that's got kind of multiple layers of thicknesses to it um but then the you know obviously the elevation is relatively flat and it's probably a product of whether there are CAD or whatever you guys are using um is the intention to have uh that kind of multi-dimensional textural hardy siding it's got very depth to it and Michelle the architects raised his hand you could help me there hello can you hear me yes I can yeah so um you're addressing what's called out as material E in this elevation here uh the siding on the on the intermediate on the intermediate facades between the corner volumes yeah so the um the proposal is to is to clad those areas either yeah with with that we call it random batten siding um uh or with a um a vertical hardy board so we want to we want to maintain some verticality we want to create as much depth and shadows we can and so we're kind of exploring um what the best option would be between those those two applications of hardy yeah the reason I'm asking is because you know when we condition a project right and you know what you have presented in here we say yes that's good and then you submit something to for permits for instance and say there's a differentiation and like let's say I don't know you guys are like you know what the cost of random random depth batten or whatever ends up being you know too high or whatever you and you're like yep you know we're just going to go with the uh hardy reveal system and be done with it right that uh that then becomes an uh a potential issue for the for city staff because then they have to review it uh for substantial conformance with the documents that were submitted and so that's that's why I just wanted some I think some clarity on what was being presented because I think what you're proposing is really unique and interesting right because it creates depth and shadow lines and things in a relatively simple material um and you're not doing any you know you're not buying a fancy product to do it you're you're just you know utilizing essentially board and batten in a in a more creative way and so um but that's why I bring it up if that makes sense yeah yeah absolutely um okay cool so yeah I mean I like what you've proposed and so when we you know obviously vote on this that'll be what you're held to install um obviously if there's a change you know that would be up to city staff to determine if it potentially needs to come back to drb for approval or whatever or if it's just something they can do at the director level um but just be aware of that I guess is what I was saying so thanks for responding I appreciate that um so yeah I'm I'm gonna agree with everybody else I you know we we really like this project uh four four years ago when we saw it um and I think we were all disappointed when it got smaller in scale and so it's actually really nice to see it back and it's uh original kind of post footprint and then also you guys got creative in terms of utilizing a different structural system I think which gave you the eighth floor uh which is nice um so you're you're getting more density more units in the same square footage and so you're achieving that far uh in a in a in a more substantial way which is fantastic um um I you know I mentioned all the comments we had four years ago and and the reason I say that is I think that that the overall design has improved in those areas I think the pedestrian walkway along the buildings has um it's it's it's got a little bit more room to it it was a little bit tighter I think before memory serve um and I know I remember I think it was Henry Wicks who had a he had a concern about kind of the width of it from a security standpoint so it's really nice to see that it's kind of enlarged a little bit um you know I the there were fins along Riley Street concrete fins I think in kind of a rhythm that I kind of appreciated before but um so what Michael was saying I think what you've done by removing that and kind of pulling back the Mendocino uh facade as well and providing just a little bit more pedestrian space I think it's it's happening on all four side or three sides four whatever everything except the north side you're managing create a more friendly pedestrian environment and so while I like the fins I think the solution now is a more pedestrian friendly uh scenario uh particularly because Riley Street is is one way and it's kind of sometimes a little gested with cars parked on one side and so I think giving a little bit more room to the pedestrian along there is is going to be really nice um so beyond the the finished comments about you know that being obviously uh contained within the project if it move if it changes um but that would be a condition I didn't hear any conditions from anybody else um so with that I think we'll go to a roll call vote is that cool with everybody all right so I'll turn it over to the recording secretary and Michelle I'd like to have a roll call vote on the motion absolutely board member McHugh hi board member Sharon hi board member step hi vice chair birch hi and chair weigel I and that passes with five eyes no abstentions or absences just uh just so I bring out we only have five board members at the current moment but with that um thank you applicant team your project is now passed unanimously from the d r d rb we appreciate your application and your presence here tonight and we I think I can speak for everybody I look forward to seeing this project getting built um yes I know we've yeah we've got a lot of a lot of other crazy housing development going on right now and this would really add to the add to it which would be fantastic so thank you um so with that I think we'll go to item nine which is adjournment unless we have anything else Amy no nothing else thank you all very much all right with that we are adjourned at five forty one have a good one