 Live from Boston, Massachusetts, it's theCUBE, covering OpenStack Summit 2017, brought to you by the OpenStack Foundation, Red Hat, and additional ecosystem support. Hi, and welcome back to SiliconANGLE TV's production of theCUBE here at OpenStack Summit 2017 in Boston. I'm Stu Miniman, joined with my co-host for the week, John Troyer. As you can see behind us, the day two keynote's letting out. John, it's always interesting to look at these shows. They had some demos that were awesome. Couple of demos where the demo gods were not smiling on them. They had Edward Stoneman live via Q&A. They had Brian Stevens, who we're going to be talking with a little bit, the CTO of Google, who was on the early starts. For me, they're a little up and down. There's some of the vendor pitches in there. People are like, oh, I have a great demo, and then you say, come to my booth and see a bunch of my sessions. So, a little bit uneven and disjointed, which has been some of the feedback you get about OpenStack in general over the last few years as to all those pieces come together. But, yeah, so what are your early thoughts coming out of the day two keynote? Well, it was definitely a keynote focused at the OpenStack community. We started off with Open Source and talking about the importance of Open Source, which is a little bit odd because everyone here knows that. I did like the message that OpenStack was composed of different projects that it was a piece of the puzzle, not the whole puzzle. You and I both noted VMware Scott Lowe tweeted, it's good to see the OpenStack Foundation talking about being a part of the overall solution, not the overall solution. I mean, as one example, they mentioned using EtsyD, which is a distributed key value store, instead of writing their own. EtsyD powers Kubernetes. You would be insane in 2017 to rewrite a distributed key value store at this point because it's just out there, it's mature. OpenStack has been around for seven years. There's been a lot of ecosystem grown up around them. Yeah, yeah, a couple of pieces on that. One is there was a message about like, oh, I can now take the individual components of OpenStack. I could actually do that before. I've noted, I've talked to a number of software companies that when you dig down into what they're doing, oh, what do you know? There's Cinder or there's something in there just as when I use AWS, I can use some of the individual components. Same things with OpenStack. It's not a monolith. There are the individual pieces, but they're highlighting that a little bit more. They're saying we can use some of the pieces. The other thing on the open source in general, they noted that like in the artificial intelligence machine learning space, like everyone that you see is using open source. Everything from Google and TensorFlow is one that can highlight it a lot. Amazon made a big push at their show about what they're doing with some of the machine learning. I can't remember right now the program on there, but right in some of these emerging spaces, open source is the de facto way to do that. We had in one of the conversations we had yesterday with one of the Cisco Distinguished Engineers, used to be standards, now open source really drives a lot of that. I actually got a quick conversation with Martín Casado who had worked on a lot of open source things before VMware acquired him, and now is that Andreessen Horowitz looking at all the open source models. Unfortunately, Martín had enough time to come on the program, but we've had him on many times. I have a question. The message today of being part of an ecosystem and being a componentized open source set of projects, does that detract or add to this conversation around OpenStack Core versus BigTent? I think BigTent is dying. We talked to a number of the participants yesterday and said it was a little over boned. It does not mean that some pieces might still get worked on, but it's the core components and when we dug into the survey, it's how many of the pieces do we really need? We want to make sure the core works. I can have that distribution if I want to do what is OpenStack. When they highlighted those components, it wasn't 27 different projects there. I think it was a handful of like six that were there. So Swift and Cinder, some interesting cool little graphics. There was ironic, I tell you, the little graphic there, that was like a scary looking bear. It's like I wouldn't want to run into him in a cartoon alley, but. Yeah, I did tweet, yeah, there was an angry bear, kind of a poisonous spider and a horse is behind. So I'm not quite sure about the marketing there, but. What is the message they're sending? But there's some fun. We've got Mark Collier and Jonathan Bryce coming on soon. We can ask them, was this the community and are there just some people that have a funny sense of humor and this is how they show it? I did love the demos in today's talk. I especially like the, they spun up live on stage, 15 from scratch OpenStack Clouds and then had them all join a Cockroach DB cluster. I thought that was kind of cool and amazing. Yeah, absolutely. You talk about that hybrid multi-cloud world showing it in reality how that works, pretty neat. And you can actually see some applicability as to how that would fit new customer environment and kudos to all the people. I mean, these were live no net demos, not Camtasia, not some prerecorded things because it's like, oh wait, this thing's not quite ready to be able to be bootable or let me come in. I mean, they're up there on stage doing it. The wifi all seemed to work fine. That wasn't the challenge, but yeah, it was pretty cool. Well, again, trying to give the message that OpenStack is indeed not a science project that it's live, that it's configurable, that it's stable, that it's installable, and I think that kind of message of stability and configurability and non-simplicity maybe is one of the ones they're trying to hit here today. Yeah, last thing I want to hit on, John, is I want to get your opinion. We throw out the term open a bunch and I'm watching some of the other industry things and they say open when they mean choice as opposed to open as in open source. So, you know, we see Google here and Google talks about open. So many things that are now open source, a lot of times started out as a Google white paper where something, as we all say, we're all using open source what Google was using 10 years ago, right? You know, MapReduce and Borg and Spanner and some of those things eventually get their way out. I've got some viewpoints on this, but love to get your take first, yeah. Well, I mean, definitely it was an homage to open source this morning. In some ways it was kind of a dig at AWS and Amazon which uses a lot of open source tools but does not share back. You know, the open stack is clearly open source and they were emphasizing that. I don't know, what are your thoughts, Tim? Yeah, it's customers now, it used to be, you said open source, you know, if we go back 10, 15 years and it was like, ooh, no. Now, open source is a lot of times a plus, a something that they're asking for. Many companies are contributing and engaging in that. Open stack is a great example of companies that have participated in helping to build open stack. That being said, I always go to, what's the problem to be solved? What's the solution that solves it? And if it happens to be a little bit pre-standard or not 100% open source, most companies are fine with that. We were at Red Hat Summit last week with theCUBE though and everything they do is 100% open source. They're building their business. Their customers are really happy. So, open source still has a little bit of a double-edged sword as to how you do it, but open source, absolutely, there's no question of if open source, it's how much and to what extent and where it fits. Sure, there is an ecosystem of providers here. There's always lock-in when you make a technical choice. But in this case, I think they've successfully, we're trying to show off that there are, there is a choice of clouds. There is an open, a set of open source components that you can mix and match. And so that actually ties in very well to the interview with Edward Snowden. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. It was, in the last point, Edward Snowden, towards the end, he said, fear is, I think the quote was, the most powerful weapon in the world today from a political statement was doing, fear and IT is a powerful weapon. We know that enterprise and inertia tend to go together. With my background in networking, I used to draw these timelines and say from when the time the standard was done to when the early majority adopt is oftentimes a decade. So the technology adoption, moving the operational, we know the people piece is always tough to do, moving my applications, we think people are definitely moving faster, but fear is definitely something that holds them back. What do you see, John? Sure, I think the through line of the whole morning was about choice and diversity. Edward Snowden talked about the centralization of information services like Facebook, Google, and Twitter, and I think by implication Amazon. And I think the message that he was giving to the OpenStack crowd was, look, you are enabling a multitude of services and a multitude of clouds, and that actually is a cultural lever against the over centralization of commercial forces which are a little bit outside people's control. Yeah, so John, thanks for helping me wrap up day one. 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