 Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining the Santa Rosa Fire Department and the Office of Community Engagement for such an important and timely series on being wildfire ready. My name is Magali Teyes and I'm the Director of Community Engagement for the City of Santa Rosa. Buenos tardes a todos y gracias por su presencia y participación en este evento tan importante sobre cómo estar listos para los incendios forestales. Mi nombre es Magali Teyes y soy la Directora de Participación Comunitaria de la Ciudad de Santa Rosa. Si gustaría sintonizarse en español, pueda hacerlo haciendo click en el icono del globo que dice interpretation en el fondo de la pantalla. ASL interpretation is also provided and the interpreter will be spotlight for the duration of this webinar. To the presenters this evening, please make sure to speak as clearly as possible to allow for Spanish and ASL translation. To get us started, I would like to introduce Fire Chief Scott Westrop. Thank you, Magali. And I just want to take a moment to thank Director Teyes and her entire team for developing this program, putting it together and working with the fire department and other city departments to to really express a very important message and this is our fourth day of doing these types of events. Each one has been a little bit different. But I wanted to explain why we decided to do this. And again, this was, this was Magali's brainchild and we're just kind of following along here and trying to help where we can. But with all that this community has gone through, we really see that the fires create a common bond. It's a bond of resiliency, strength and unfortunately trauma. We have collectively shown what a resilient community looks like and how that strength unites us. I truly believe as has been evidenced in the last four years that we are stronger together. That's not only the fire department, it's not the city, it's the entire community. This series was designed for us to talk about where we have been, where we are going, how to heal personally and as a community, and how to be more prepared and in control of the elements of what we can control. As we all know with with wildfires mother nature has the ultimate say so anything that we can do to be holistically prepared will benefit all members of the community and make us all stronger. The fourth session will discuss lessons learned from the 2017 Sonoma County wildfires in the 2020 glass fire and the improvements that have been made to emergency preparedness and emergency management. This workshop will also discuss evacuation routes for residents in the city of Santa Rosa limits tools and resources for evacuating and information information about emergency alerts and notifications. The changes we have seen an emergency preparedness over the last several years has been remarkable. It's not a fire department public safety city or county effort alone. This is a whole community approach to changes that leads to improvement and resiliency. These changes are working but we can be better. For instance if we look at the tubs fire alone and exclude the nuns fire within the city limits, we lost nine lives and almost 3100 structures. In the last fire we lost zero lives and lost 32 structures. Our common goal should be a net zero loss. Again, we are not in this effort alone and we are not done. Regardless of how the fire department and city have improved to face this new normal, the community deserves a bulk of the credit. This is a major shift in preparation, engagement, awareness and reactivity by the community. And if it wasn't for all of you, we couldn't do our jobs. Before I turn it over to the next set of speakers, I'd like to remind everyone that Spanish translation is available and American sign language interpretation is obviously available as well. With that I'd like to introduce emergency preparedness manager, Neil Bregman and assistant fire marshal, Paul Lowenthal. Hi Scott. I'm going to get right into our slideshow here. It's both Paul and I, there may be a couple times where I pause and say Paul, why don't you take this one. So just bear with us but but this is kind of a dual presentation by both Paul and Neil. And with that, let me share my screen. Okay, so Neil Bregman, Paul Lowenthal will have our information at the end as well. If you need to contact us for any questions. I'd like to start with going over the differences between the various alert systems that we use to notify the public regarding an emergency. And for all of these that we use all of them or at least a multiple number of them in any particular emergency, depending on its size. Also many of these involve multiple technologies, and they are not 100% or silver bullets, which is why we use multiple tools to make sure that everyone gets the message in case one tool doesn't work. We use a different tool as well to make sure that we're reaching as many members of our community as we can. And the one alert that isn't on here that I actually want to start with is actually our community, like Chief Westrup just brought up this isn't an effort just by police or fire or emergency management. We need you our community members to be a part of this as well. We're probably already signed up for the alert systems we're going to go over today. But sometimes we have members of our community who are either not signed up. I'd like you to try and help them get registered, or there are members who are signed up and like I just talked about none of these communication tools is foolproof. As we are helping neighbors, neighbors making sure neighbors are aware as an evacuation or some other emergency happening is a critical piece of our system. We will always use all of our tools and notify as many as many members of our community as we can. There just may be times that not all the tools work. And we have to ask you neighbors helping neighbors going and knocking on each other's doors as you evacuate to make sure everyone in your area has gotten the message that's a key critical piece on top of all these systems. So now going through the alerts. I'll start at the top with the emergency alert system, or EAS. This is the system that is on radio and television and has that audible tone that many times will cut into a broadcast. This system is regional. We have been asked by the state and federal authorities to reserve using that for only the largest evacuations. So it would have to be probably multiple zones within the city. Or a very large incident for us to use that one because even though our message will be targeted to get information to community members in Santa Rosa. That message will go out for the entire Bay Area broadcast area. The one down is wireless emergency alert or we are. Now this one just like EAS no registration is required, as long as your cell phone is on that and the audible tones are available so not on vibrate on the side of your iPhone you have to make sure your ringer is flipped on. So as that is on, when we do a message using the wireless emergency alert, your phone will have a tone, and you will get a message that's anywhere from 90 to 360 characters based upon the model of phone you have. Wireless emergency alert is one of our primary evacuation alerting tools. The key about wireless alert is that it works in the area where we draw a box. As far as where we think people should be evacuated from. If your cell phone is within that box. You should get the alert. I say should because there are differences from carrier to carrier. As far as who they interpret being within our geographic or geo fenced wireless emergency alert box. AT&T is much more liberal with who they consider to be in the box versus say Verizon AT&T in fact will hit any phone that is connected to a cell tower that is in our geographical boundary. Unlike Verizon where your cell phone itself must be within the geographical boundary for it to learn. So the system has those issues and is not 100% foolproof. We also recommend that everyone who's a resident of Santa Rosa, or really all Sonoma County, sign up for the third one down here which is an opt in system called so color. And we'll give you information later on how to register but the key is you do need to go and register for this one. The other thing about it is you can register as many locations as you want an alert about. So your house, your kids school, your parents house, grandma and grandpa's house, doggy daycare, as many places as you care about, go and register those for all the phone calls that you would want information about that on. The really great thing about so color is that in evacuation, you will get a phone call your phone will ring. And we will give you information, along with email and text, but also via a phone call with a recorded message. It's also a little bit different than our next system down Nixle. Nixle is only email and text, and it is not geographic specific in the same way that we are so color are it's only by zip code, and it will never give you a phone call. If you want a phone call with recorded message, letting you know that there's an emergency and you may need to evacuate you need to be registered for so color. Nixle will not do that. The last one down on our list of know your alerts is TV and local radio. So I from doing that EAS where we blast something on television and radio, our public information team makes contact with our locally broadcast stations, and gives them pertinent information like locations of shelters, temporary evacuation points or other resources. What you're seeing here are our high low sirens. Aside from using all the systems that I just went through police and fire vehicles in Santa Rosa have a high low tone. That means only evacuation available on their cars. You hear that tone. If you hear the high low, it's time to go. One other system that I want to mention is the NOAA weather radios that is new for this year. We received a grant for 12,000 radios from FEMA, and we've been doing radio giveaways to targeted neighborhoods within our wildland urban interface to begin with the next one is for our Northwest zone, which is June 12. After that, we have two citywide events and again will give you information at the end regarding locations, but that is open to all city residents to come get a free NOAA weather radio. The radios will tone out anytime there's an evacuation anywhere in Sonoma County. Unfortunately, we can't narrow those evacuation notices down to just Santa Rosa. We think it's a great tool because it's battery backup doesn't rely on cell phones relies on radio instead will work if we have a public safety power shut off, or some other type of power system. And finally, aside from having an audible tone for our death members of the community or hard of hearing, the NOAA weather radios can have attachments on them that have a bench shaker and a strobe light. If anyone who is interested in those attachments for the NOAA weather radio, feel free to contact me, especially if we need those attachments we have a grant for those and we're working with a community partner, who works with our deaf community to give those out. Now on this slide I'd like to go over a few of our enhancements that we've made since October 2017. The first one is anytime we have a red flag warning, which is when we have very dry conditions low humidity and a likelihood of high winds. We upstaff in other words we bring more fire crews on, aside from our day to day fire crew and operations to make sure we have enough resources to deal with any fire emergency that might arise. And finally a Santa Rosa program, that's county wide, we upstaff or bring more crews on the fire crews throughout the county whenever there's a red flag warning. The next one down here are our wildfire cameras. There's a system of cameras all over the North Bay, looking from on the, on high hills, looking at the valleys and other areas that might be prone to wildfire. And those cameras are available for the public to look at, but also our dispatch center, which is monitoring them 24 seven. That that is already proven itself to be an excellent resource we've been able to see any number of fires when they start early, which allows us to get our crews and resources there to care of those situations before they become large. And if they do become large, because we have the cameras we are well aware of what direction they're coming in, we have significantly more time if we need to let the community know that they have an evacuation warning or order. This year we've improved the wildfire cameras, in that we now have an artificial intelligence software system that monitors the cameras, along with humans. The artificial intelligence looks for signs of smoke on any of the cameras and if it sees something that might be a fire and alerts humans to go and take a further look. This again has already saved us minutes and identifying potential wildfires this fire season. Another element that we have made is we now have what's called a warm emergency operation center. In 2017, our emergency operation center, which is the room in which we coordinate our overall response was cold, meaning we had to go into it when the fire started, turn on the lights, move around tables and chairs, and plug our computers in. And it's a big room that could take 30 to 30 minutes to an hour. That's a critical time to really be making sure that you and our community have all the information they need that we are coordinating our efforts and that we are getting our job done not setting up tables and chairs. Last year, we moved our EOC to a different location where we can keep it warm and ready to go all the time. In fact, we saw that pay off in the glass fire. As soon as we had an issue and we knew that we needed to activate our EOC in the glass fire, we're all immediately able to get to the EOC and get to work. There was no lag time, there was no 45 minutes of setting up. Another new feature that we saw last year, which we'll cover forward are temporary evacuation. Normally, in the past, when people are evacuating, they understand we want to find a place or location to go to. It takes us some time to get our emergency shelters set up. What we learned during COVID is that temporary evacuation points are essentially safe places that you can go park, be greeted by city staff and potentially the American Red Cross, and either figure out your own next step from a safe location, or get assistance from staff for figuring out if you need shelter or some other accommodation. We now have temporary evacuation points. The city has one ready to go anytime there's all red flag warnings as well. Paul, why don't you cover the notifications and those improvements on the checklist there? Thanks, Neil. So yes, a lot has been learned. A lot of changes have been made that have ultimately led to the successes that we saw most recently in 2020. In 2017, that was clearly something none of us ever wanted to go through, didn't clearly expect to have something of that magnitude impact our community. And we said from that point on that we would not only be an agency that would just put the fire out, but we put the fire out and ultimately work to make improvements for not only Santa Rosa, but for agencies across the state and across the country. With that, we have been absolutely dedicated to improving our processes, improving how we utilize these systems and making our community more resilient and safer in the event of another wildfire. In 2020, we were able to actually watch what was originally the shady fire develop at the Napa Sonoma County line. Much different than in 2017 when we were literally fighting the fires and moving into the city and evacuating people at the same time. In the 2020 fires, we were able to actually see the fire develop and immediately start putting our systems in place. Before units had even arrived at scene, the Santa Rosa fire department, police department and our emergency management had already scheduled a conference call, knowing the potential of the impacts to our city, almost instantaneously. The plans that we've had in place since 17 that have been developed over the last several years were never intended to sit on a shelf and they were immediately implemented, all the way down to the point of bringing Spanish translators and as we were literally responding and arriving to the scene. With that, the law enforcement initiated their evacuations of the two tone Hilo sirens. We initiated multiple evacuations for our zones that were developed throughout the east side of the city of Santa Rosa. Community members were able to utilize a lot of the tools and resources that you're going to see over the next several slides as far as evacuation checklist zones to implement what we feel was extremely successful evacuation. We benefited that night from having what we refer to as a night air attack there happened to already be a night air attack flying on the glass fire. It was burning in Napa County. When that air attack was shifted over to the Napa Sonoma County line they were able to tell us the amount of time roughly two to three hours before Santa Rosa was going to be impacted by fire, which enabled us to feel comfortable with that number of evacuation zones and that amount of time, knowing that there would be traffic but knowing that we had the ability to get people out of harm's way with the hours that we had before the fire moved in. And the successes were truly noticeable as our firefighters were able to move in a neighborhoods and successfully fight the fire. If you look at how we had roughly 100,000 people evacuating during the tubs and the thousands of homes that were destroyed as we're fighting to move to get in as people are fighting to get out. In 2020, it was amazing to see once the traffic cleared how firefighters were able to move into the neighborhoods and clearly be able to move around neighborhoods unobstructed and only have roughly 30 homes that were destroyed. I don't want to see any homes destroyed. One note is that if you look at the total number of homes impacted by fire in the city limits there were 1152 properties impacted by fire in the glass fire and only 30 plus structures destroyed. That speaks volumes the enhancements and how things worked out so much better in 2020. And they did in 2017. So like I mentioned, every, every all the material that you see today will be available at srcity.org slash ready SR. There's a chance to get down all the info you see today, you can go there and there are links to the evacuation zones, the checklists, you can review know your alerts and how to opt into so color. You will also be able to find your neighborhood travel routes, which we will talk about in a minute as well. Let's talk about our city of Santa Rosa evacuation zones. So our zones remain unchanged from last year. We know that the Sonoma County just released a great map, which shows an integration of both city and county zones throughout Sonoma County. The county has changed some of the names and boundaries for its zones. Our zones remain unchanged from when they were released well over a year ago. I highly suggest that before our next emergency, you go and look up what your zone is, write it down and put it on your refrigerator. There's a zone look up tool. Again at srcity.org bash back slash ready SR. There's a section on evacuation zones. When you click on that you will see this find your evacuation zone address look up tool. Please go and look up your zone and make sure you know it ahead of time. If you have issues finding your zone you can call 211 and they will help you locate your zone. It's really a critical piece we saw that our ability to quickly get information to our community in 2020. In the glass fire was contingent upon people knowing their zones and us being able to communicate quickly, which zones need to be evacuated. If we just go over very quickly, the different terminology you might see in the evacuation notice and there are three of them. There's an evacuation order, and that means you must evacuate immediately there's a threat to your life. Don't wait. Don't hesitate. You have to go. An evacuation warning means that there's a threat to life and property within a particular timeframe. We'll try if we can to communicate that timeframe, but it means that if you haven't yet, you need to pack your go bag, get your car together and be ready to leave. This is the get set mode. It is possible that you will get an evacuation order very quickly after a warning. Sometimes fire conditions change and even though we think we may have an hour or more between a warning and an order. The wind can pick up or the people in the field who know about fire behavior may quickly even after we have issued a warning moments later say no that needs to become an order. We need people to leave now. Please sign up for SoCo Alert and pay attention to all those other alerts we talked about. If you do need to evacuate, I'll remind you again, neighbors helping neighbors is a critical piece of our system. Please go knock on the doors of your neighbors around you, especially if you know that there are certain neighbors who maybe are elderly, slower, more vulnerable, or have a disability that makes it difficult for them to process information. It may need just the help of knowing that it's time to go. And then finally, our third type of evacuation notice, which would probably be for something different than a wildfire is a shelter in place. And in that case, we'd ask you to stay where you are. Keep your doors and windows closed. And we would then send you an all clear when the situation had changed and you were free to no longer shelter in place. Next topic is polls neighborhood evacuation or sorry exit routes. Thanks Neil. So one of the first efforts we started moving forward with before we officially developed our plans was our neighborhood exit routes. It became important for us after watching a lot of the lessons learned around not only the North Bay but really around the state. And that is, residents understand that the way that they typically would leave a neighborhood may not be the way that they should leave the neighborhood in the event of an evacuation. We started breaking up Santa Rosa into different neighborhoods and showing people the different ways that they could get out of their neighborhood and that we recommend that they get out of their neighborhood. The neighborhood routes again were designed to get people to start thinking about alternate travel routes. Unfortunately, on a smaller incident that could develop within the city limits, it would not be uncommon to have law enforcement in your neighborhood telling you exactly which way to go. That is a pretty common occurrence. Fortunately, we don't have as many fires of that magnitude or that size in the city limits. We pride ourselves on the amount of staffing and the firefighters that we have that we're able to a majority of the time with the incidents that start within the city limits keep them relatively small and to the point they never even show up in the press Democrat. However, there are times as we've seen where Santa Rosa has historically been impacted by account by fires that develop outside of the city and impact our city. That highlights the importance of understanding the different ways that you can leave your neighborhood. During the glass fire, knowing that we had several hours in advance for people to empty out of the neighborhoods. We noticed a lot of residents automatically going to the same route that they would typically go to, and it did create traffic, however, as we stated earlier, we're fully aware of that potential and that's why you saw the amount of law in multiple agencies across Sonoma County, staffing various intersections, knowing that we had the several hours to get people out of the east side of Santa Rosa. However, it did highlight the importance of taking the dirt the travel routes that may not be the most common travel route. For example, in Skyhawk, we are aware and we've heard from several people, the amount of traffic that was backed up for people trying to get down to Highway 12 and Calistoga Road. So people would have taken the chance to go the opposite direction on Sonoma Highway, perhaps towards Warm Springs Road or Bennett Valley Road and wrap back around towards Highway 12. Or taking Calistoga Road the opposite direction towards Montecito or side streets. There was the potential to help disperse some of that traffic. Our goal is to make sure that people understand the importance of using those alternate travel routes. They may look a lot longer, but they can help save some of that backup if we have to go through something like this again. If there was a need to quickly evacuate an area in a much shorter amount of time, then the travel routes that you would typically go to that are used on the know your ways out would be pushed away and law enforcement would be directing you in very specific directions at a harm's way. The next topic is evacuation checklists. Again at SRCity.org backslash ready SR, you'll find an a wildfire evacuation checklist, which gives you lists of things that you can build in and put in your go bag, as well as tips on preparing your home. If you need to evacuate, as well as a few tips on driving and being safe while you're evacuating during a fire. I really want to stress that now is the time to look up that evacuation zone. I want to point out your neighborhood travel routes or know your ways out that Paul just talked about and put those on your refrigerator print out this evacuation checklist. And if you have had not had time yet to build your go back. Building a go bag is not something you will have the time, especially under stress to be doing once that evacuation warring or order comes. That's either time to get your car packed and be ready. Or you can just go it is not the time to start building your back. What do you want to have in your bag. Some basic food and water, we will surely give you food and water when you arrive at a temporary evacuation point or shelter. It may just be a little while before we can get those resources. Things like prescription medication, eyeglasses, a phone charger, comfortable clothes. Any important documents, photographs or things that you find irreplaceable should be in a go bag or handy to grab when it's time to evacuate. Some people even caught talk about a 10 and 10. What are the 10 things, if you only had 10 minutes right now, that are the most important to you that you would go and grab if you needed to rebuild your life with nothing else. Think about what those 10 things are and gather them together and put them in your go back, or at the very least know what your list is and be ready to grab them and go immediately if you get an evacuation order, or to go and put that stuff in your car if you get that evacuation warning. I will also stress one other piece of information regarding evacuation warnings, even though it's not mandatory that you leave at that time. It's not a bad idea to actually go to avoid the traffic Paul just talked about, or if you're just stressed by the fact that you're now in an evacuation warning zone, or area, going somewhere that's outside of that area for your own safety, and relief and lack of stress would be super helpful, for you, but for first responders. And here's just a few more examples of the things not only does it talk about preparing you and your pets. It talks about how on the checklist you can prepare inside your home in the areas outside of your home. Right now, today to be ready since we've now started fire season to get ready in case there is a fire. And you need to evacuate. So again, all of this can be found at srcity.org back slash ready SR, and I will leave Paul and my information up here for a second, if you wish to contact one of us. Thank you, Neil. So, you know to close out on Neil's checklist our goal truly is is to set our community up for success. Again, if you look at how far we've come since 2017, the documents, the guidance the information that we're preparing truly is for our community to help protect our community. The checklists will help you. We saw the successes of people utilizing the checklist utilizing a lot of the measures that we've been discussing over the last several days as far as defensible space and home hardening. And coupled with the use of the checklist of what to do before they leave lead to successes left and right. Chief Scott Westrope and myself were in Oakmont during the glass fire and watched the fire move into the Oakmont neighborhood, and it was clear that people truly did heed to the warnings. We've used a lot of the resources and tools again as far as defensible space and home hardening vegetation management we debatement and ultimately preparing their homes, all the way down to moving door mats off doorways, locking and securing doors and windows. Because we're utilizing the tools and resources that we have to give early notification to our community to allow them the time to evacuate and to put all those processes in place. With that, we know this is a topic that we often get a lot of questions, comments and or feedback regarding. We have with us tonight. Sergeant Chris Mahurn from the Santa Rosa Police Department. Adrian Martins, our inner government and chief communications officer for the city of Santa Rosa. Adrian, Chris, Neil and myself are, as we typically are here for our community. We have a lot of questions and we want to make sure that you the viewers have the opportunity to get things clarified to help clean up any misunderstandings and ultimately give you information from us. Make sure that you can leave here tonight, knowing that you've got valuable information and got your questions answered. So with that, I will let Shelly step in. Have a question at this time. If you have any questions, feel free to raise your hand, or if you're not comfortable talking and you want to put a question into the chat box. Please do so. And it might also be a good time as we're, there's your first question. We have a appreciation for everything you're doing. Yeah, it looks like there's a hand up from a Jane. Jane, it looks like you can go ahead and unmute yourself and go ahead. Can you hear me now. Yes, we can. I too appreciate everything you've been doing and I live near Oakmont and during the glass fire and we were evacuating. I wanted to go towards Sonoma instead of towards Santa Rosa, but I didn't know if it was safe to go in that direction I didn't know exactly where the fire was. I just had to tell so I just followed the herd and it took me three hours I need to get to the middle and grows it but I mean we did make it and thanks to law enforcement we got redirected to some other routes. But I don't know how to deal with that in the, in that kind of situation. If we don't know if it's safe to go another way. Thank you. And so that's a, that's a good question and good feedback and kind of what we talked about. There are times where if they're, if we do truly need people to go in a, in a direction to escape harms way. The law enforcement partners in often often will help guide traffic in that direction, or it may be that the emergency message that you receive. In addition to evacuate the specific zone may tell you a direction to move in. I totally understand what you're saying. We'll look at different processes or potential to work on that messaging should we have to do that again. But if you're are if you are not pushed in a specific direction. That's goes back to the importance of the know your ways out where we're trying to get people to not follow the masses and go the direction they typically are all moving towards and and to and to go the opposite way. If there's any other questions, or if there's anything that Adrian or Chris want to share. Yeah, I would just like to mention one thing and Neil reference the website a lot and that's where you can find all the information that was covered tonight but the city is also in the process of mailing and emergency preparedness guide to all of our households throughout Santa Rosa. We're about it's a phased mailing we're about a third of the way through that we've covered most of the household, or we've covered all of the household within our wild and urban interface but for those that haven't received their emergency preparedness guide in the mailing you should be getting it in about the next one to two weeks in the mail so be on the lookout for that. It also has information on the no weather radio distribution events that Neil mentioned. We have a page booklet and has information, as I said on most of what was covered tonight by Neil and Paul. We have a question asking what other informational events will be coming up. But information as far as a series like this will occur again next year. We are already in discussions about doing this again and making it a bigger event, hopefully drawing our, you know, much more of our community. However, as far as information. Right now, a lot of improvements as Adrian had said have been made to our web content. One of the action items that came out of what we refer to as our community wildfire protection plan, which was a plan implemented in August of last year that was developed to help mitigate the risks associated with wildfire identified a need to centralize information for our community. So we are now pushing our community to two websites. The one Adrian gave the information on for the ready SR. And the second website is SR city.org forward slash wildfire ready. Those two websites will become the hub for both emergency preparedness and wildfire readiness for our community. A lot of what will be coming this year could be everything from preparedness in the event of shipping programs to implementation of potential grants to additional community meetings. Those plans will be moving forward with feverishly. As you saw, you may have seen recently. We have been given five and a quarter million dollars from the PGD settlement funds. That is also helping to offset potential cost share of additional grants that the city of Santa Rosa has been actively working on for several years now. Since 2017, we have been trying to apply for several grants to help with education engagement, as well as physical activities done in our community to make things safer. We do have right now, upwards of roughly $7 million worth of grants that we are working on, literally almost daily to get those move forward. Hopefully it will be successful grants that will help push a lot more activities and ability for us to engage with our community moving forward. Thank you. We have one comment says 4000 people in Oakmont wondering whether to turn to Sonoma or Santa Rosa. It would be great to have advice if we went to soon. We went to Sonoma. We are going to look at some of the IE options. Got it. Yeah, no, we will take that information and look to see how we can potentially make it clear that there are multiple ways out if we do have to evacuate that magnitude again. Next question is asking about the evacuation tax. From the police department, we don't use evacuation tags in Santa Rosa. They are effective in some rural areas because of long driveways that could be a quarter mile long and have one family there and it takes up a lot of resources to get out there. Internally what we do within the city because we are more of a dense population. We at the police department have practiced over the years since 2017. We have a grid like evacuation process with our first responders and working with other ways of getting people out whether it's our transportation department as well. So even if we were to see an evacuation tag on a door, we're still going to go and check the residents to make sure that everyone's evacuated. We keep using the layered approach of notifications as well. Realistically when it comes towards evacuation notices. That's just to say someone's probably not in there. There's no guarantee that someone didn't put that on a door and something happened when they went to Google back and get a bag or whatnot. So we want to make sure best that we can that everyone has evacuated out of there. And that comes down to really just checking door to door once we have that time and resources to do that. So that's the main reason we avoid them at this point. Thank you. I have a question I have a thank you so much for the effort and technology that will help us survive the next fire season and thank you for the greater piece of mind. Comment. Looks like golly has a couple questions that she wants to read, or is that the ones that are already taken care of. I believe that is them. Yeah, that's it. Great. And unless any of the other panelists have anything they would like to close out on. I'm not sure if I'm stealing my golly's thunder, but I will just mention that this meeting recording will be available on our website, along with the other workshops that were held throughout the rest of this week. We have a series of four workshops and those will be available. All of them will be up and posted later this evening at srcd.org forward slash wildfire ready. So thank you for those that are still here stuck around been here either tonight or throughout the week. We appreciate it we look forward to future opportunities to continue to engage with our community. To make our community more resilient and prepared for wildfires locally and throughout our region. We appreciate the opportunity for being here and look forward to engaging again. If you have any questions or anything that comes to mind feel free to reach out to us by email at srfd at srcity.org. Thank you.