 Welcome back to the Trade Hacker Mindset. In this episode, we are going to dive into the topic of the hidden messages in water, and we have a special guest with us today. Trading the markets can be difficult to master and seemingly just out of reach. Professional traders have a secret. Trading requires total mental and emotional control. It requires the Trade Hacker Mindset. All right, so let's jump into this topic of the hidden messages in water. And I want to introduce you to, for folks in our community, you may recognize her as Theta Junkie. Laura is with us today to discuss some concepts that I think are critical, not only to the way that we think in general, but also how we can apply it to trading. So Laura, welcome to the podcast. How are you? I'm doing great. Thank you for having me. So before we jump into this concept, because I'm excited to talk about this and share this with the community. But before we do that, let's jump into who is Laura? Who is Theta Junkie? Who is this Theta Junkie? Right. Well, I think most people listening to your podcast already know what Theta means, but Theta is the concept of time is money. And with options, I think that that was sort of my initial goal was to sell covered calls and write some different options and just get paid for being patient, which is not really my strong suit. So that in itself was a life lesson. But so that's where the Theta Junkie name came from. But as far as me, I just classify myself as a lifelong student of the human experience. And in my little vocab, I like to call it the human experiment, because I look at everything in that way as an experiment. And if I do it this way a number of times, how will that result and what will happen? I love learning. I love science. I love, as you can tell, experimenting, tweaking, changing. Those are attributes that they can also get in the way sometimes. So I've had to learn some workarounds for that. Another thing to know about me is that I grew up as a Navy brat. My dad was in the Navy. They were my parents were very, very young. I always live near the water. And water has always had a special significance to me in terms of lessons. And for some strange reason, being near the water grounds me, which sounds like an opposite concept. But the water has always been an integral part of my life experience. And when I get a little further, you'll see how it kind of translates into some of the lessons I've learned about the market and trading. And so that's the most important thing about the water. And then when we talk later about Dr. Emoto's experiments, and it sort of tends to come full circle. And I find life tends to do that the longer I live. So what is your share about a little bit about your expertise or your kind of career outside of trading? What's your background there and how did you get to that place? Yeah. So I think growing up with such a move around lifestyle and I was always seeking structure. I really wanted two plus two to equal 4.000. And I, in some sense, and also a lifetime of a undiagnosed ADD didn't realize that that was I was seeking that as a workaround. So I majored in chemistry and physics and math. And I was one of those nerds with a pocket protector and calculator. I just love all that. But mainly I think it was more just, it was my attempt at a workaround. And so after college, I went on to work as a pharmaceutical chemist for a couple of years, worked on my MBA at night. And it was during those years that I was buying some stock. And this will date me a little bit. But I'd get a call from a landline from my stock broker asking if I wanted to write a covered call. So he would spend a few minutes explaining to me what that was. It seemed like free money to me and I just couldn't see it downside. And so that was really how I got started with the whole theta experience. And curious, what kind of commission rate were you paying that broker at that point? $27.50 each way. All right, so for all of you who are complaining about your $0.50 or dollar commissions with your broker, $27.50. And I remember vividly, I think I may have had a couple hundred shares of Nike stock. And so maybe it was $1.50, maybe even $1.25. So in terms of our language, that's $125 I was going to get paid. But then I had the courtesy of paying $27.50 to make that. And I remember just watching the market and I believe that was the day that it was back then that I had to get my IBD newspaper to kind of get the quotes. And I know like that sounds like a hundred years ago. But I just I started to notice the market had these waves and these movements. And it reminded me a lot of the ocean kind of the rhythmic flow of, you know, the zen movements of the ocean and the waves. And I remember calling my stockbroker back from a landline saying, well, last week I sold the covered call. Can I buy it back? And I'll never forget him saying, well, yeah, but why in the head would you want to do that? And I just it intuitively spoke to me as well. I buy it back now all the waves out when the wave comes back in, maybe I can do it again. And so, you know, you can do the round trip cost on that. So to make $150 to spend whatever 55 to keep the other night. So it was a very probably inefficient process. But it opened my mind to the idea of getting paid for your time and being able to multiply that, what you can't do really, you know, on your J.O.B., where you're trading time for dollars. So that kind of got me really excited. Very cool. It was also those years that I was 100% convinced that it was all formula driven, that there was no reason to pay attention to trade psychology, which was in the periphery at that time, because it was just a formula. Just give me the formula. And that's all I need. Just give me the strategy, the formula, I'll follow it. You know, that was my little cookbook chemistry, you know, lessened from the market. But, and I always think of the Charlie Brown teacher when, you know, they're trying to go, mop, mop, mop, mop. That's what I heard. Whenever trade psychology came up, I was hearing just fast forward to the formula, mop, mop, mop, mop. Well, we all know anybody who's been in trading more than a minute is probably chuckling at that one. But I kind of wish I'd paid more attention to the mop, mop, mop laws. Because, you know, the market had a lot of lessons to teach me and there were some other things I needed to learn before it. I became, you know, a little bit more right brain. And so then when you were trading cover calls to start, and then what was your next step in strategy or advancement in your options trading? Well, let me tell you about the mistake I made next. Okay, perfect. Have you ever looked at Nicholas Darvis, how I need, I don't know, two million in the stock market? He talks about, he was a dancer and he would get these telegrams and so he was very disengaged from the market and he kind of watched it from a distance. And his assumption was that if he could get to Wall Street and be there every day, he could just 10x what he was doing from his little, you know, distance platform. Well, that was kind of my idea too. And so right around 2000 during the irrational exuberance, you know, a little time period, we had just sold a house, we were building another house. And so we had this little nest egg and I was trading. And, you know, I think we all know how this story kind of ends with the dot com burst, but fortunately, I had some pretty good money, some risk management things in place, but I was able to get out, we still were able to buy our house, but it was a painful lesson. And, you know, so that kind of was the next lesson in, wait a minute, maybe there's more to it than just a formula and maybe I kind of entered into this equation as well. And so it was about that time also that I left the lab, got into sales, and I needed a lot of skills that I didn't have, that I didn't learn in chemistry class, like setting goals and people skills and organizational skills in regard to just people skills, really. And so I set off on this tangent to read, thinking grow rich and set goals and attend Dale Carnegie. And I mean, I never do anything small. I'm always just jumping in with both feet. I admire people who can learn from other people's mistakes because I have a couple of kids and I watch them all and one of them can do that. And I think I would like would be so much easier if I could do that. But no, sadly. So during those years, I had just amazing, well, first, my left brain was objecting completely. I, you know, I was always a goal setter. I could, you know, I like lists. I like the whole concept of thinking grow rich. But it really digresses towards the end into being surprisingly, if most people have gotten into it as far as I let myself go, it becomes a spiritual kind of document. It's really it lists off the page. It's much more than a physical think about what you want and, you know, see it materialize in your life. It's it really plays into there's an element of the unknown at work. And my left brain had a very difficult time with that. I pretty much had to say, all right, let's just put that on a shelf and pretend that this works. And let's just try it and experiment. And by, you know, by gosh, it started working. I mean, and it was working and working and working that to the point where my my left brain just had to sit back and, you know, just there was no explanation to some of the things that happened during those years of manifesting and, you know, achieving goals. And so that was my right brain years. Those were my right brain years. And but basically, I wasn't I was sort of a person at odds with each of these two halves of myself. I was very analytical. I was very, you know, into the energy part of, you know, this whole experience. But but they didn't really come together until I started reading Dr. Modo's book called The Hidden Messages in Water. And for those who have who are not familiar with the whole concept, can you give a quick summary of what that book is about? Or you can save that till we till we jump into it with whatever you want. I don't recall how it could have been one of those experiences I was at the bookstore. I mean, to me, that's like Christmas being in the bookstore. And the book fell off the shelf at me. I mean, if it didn't happen that way, it was pretty close to that. And I sat down. And the thing that hooked me was that it was by a Japanese scientist, I think he was a physicist. And his intention was to photograph the crystalline structure of water molecules. And I think originally he he wanted to compare like fresh water from certain areas of Japan to the damned water here or there. And, you know, this is it's been a few years since I originally read the book. And I went, I have bought this book dozens of times. I've given it away to people. I've earmarked it. And I cannot find my copy this morning. So that basically what he was realizing is that water has a molecular structure that can absorb the vibrational frequency of what's around it. And it can be photographed and measured. And so he began to question what can affect this crystalline structure. And so he did a simple experiment of a water bottle with the word love, just written on it, a water bottle. And this is in Japanese. And then I believe the other was the equivalent of either hate or you suck of some form. Yeah, I remember one being loving gratitude and the other being you disgust me. Okay, that's it. All right. So there we go. And in his experiment, I think he did it with his family. And then for a month and then once a day, they would touch the water bottle and whatever the word was love or gratitude, thank you. They would say the word, they would say this, you know, the other you disgust me to the other. And at the end of the month, he photographed these different. And I would encourage anybody who has not seen this go on YouTube by the book, you will be blown away at the beautiful crystalline structure that develops with the higher vibrational words and the gunk that is photographed with the lower vibrational words. And even though I'd spent decades kind of going through this left right brain experiment, my brain was about exploded when I, you know, first really just sat with that concept of we always hear all the traction thoughts or things, but for it to be measured scientifically to be able to see it in a photograph and it to be something that can be replicated is it just blows my mind at what that speaks and, you know, where that can go. And so what I think is interesting also is I spent some time on YouTube. There's a ton of experiments out there. People are using rice. And this is easy for anyone to try. I would encourage I have not tried it, but I will. Is they cook some rice and it doesn't matter. I think white rice probably gives you the best visual representation of this, but some white rice put some in a like me a mason jar tighten the lid as much as you can. Same with the second one. And there's a couple of different experiments online that I saw one I wanted to reference master your influence the rice experiment. This this dude was just very funny and charismatic and it was fun to listen to his experiment. But he did not even speak the word. So he used love and hate. He spent 30 seconds thinking about the word love while he held the jar wrote it on their love did the same thing with hate did not use the his stance was that the the spoken word has a higher vibrational frequency, which I don't believe is true. But it was fascinating that he chose not to even use the word but to just use the thought and direct it at this rice 30 seconds. Then he wrote it on a piece of tape put it on the mason jar same thing for the hate stuck it I think in a box in his office never looked at it never did anything with it for 30 days. And to see the difference in both of these jars was the physical proof is just irrefutable and it's done over and over and over on the internet. A kids coming in and doing it in plastic jars and them visually and I and I imagine you know a future where our children saw this experiment play out in their kitchen and think about that they think about that when they're telling themselves I can't do that. You know I or when they're thinking about you know how they feel about things and about themselves and what they we know what they say to themselves when they look in the mirror. So and yeah so and the idea here is the human body is made up of what percent water? 70 to 90 percent. Right the vast majority of us is made up of water right and so the idea of simply positive reinforcement and positive thinking about yourself to yourself if if that if that's true right if if this experiment is true from this book if the this rice experiment is true of how it develops and looks beautiful when when you use positive or loving gratitude type words versus hate and disgusting and negative words if that's all true because I know a lot of you are thinking this is a bunch of woo-woo BS right I know I know people are thinking that right get formula so so but if but just hear us out here if just just let us say if this is true then wouldn't it be realistic to think that the words and the thoughts that you have about yourself have a vast impact on your life and everything around you in your life right so I I I believe it with 100 certainty personally because I've kind of like you I've seen things happen because of consistent thinking and manifestation and the way that the way the mind can work and create situations and when it comes to you know so tying this a little bit back to trading think about think about this because you know we we have the benefit of having a nice community of hundreds of traders interacting constantly about what they're doing and and when I see people you know beating themselves up or having these negative posts or negative comments it just it kind of makes my chest tighten up right it makes me cringe a little bit because I know what they're doing to themselves and I I I have to be a little bit careful because I don't I don't want to come off as condescending or you shouldn't do that I'm better than you don't you know that kind of thing and so you know I have to be a little bit careful about how I how I react to those things but I but that's the reason why I wanted to do this episode with you is because I wanted to be able to share this with people to to make sure that they understand the power of their actions and thoughts and words about themselves and what they're doing and specifically to trading because we know the whole basis of this of this podcast the trade hacker mindset is that the mental aspect of trading is a massive massive part right you you can have two traders who have the exact same strategy and one could be uber successful and one can be mediocre or a losing trader right so what's the difference well it's right here right it's right between your ears it could be the things that you're saying to yourself I mean I I I know specifically for me I used to I used to have a really bad habit if I would you know make a mistake in my trades or do something in trading that I knew I wasn't supposed to you know I would be like you are such an effing idiot you know I would I would say these things to myself and I really had to focus on the awareness of not doing that and tracking and seeing the impact through my journaling that that actually had on my trading and it was it was priceless right so so that that's that's the whole concept here is is wanting to make sure that you understand the power of your thoughts the power of your words to yourself and how how that can really impact your trading and listen the trading part is probably the most minimal benefit that you'll receive from this right it's all the other uh you know fruits of your of your life that you'll see in addition to your you know better trading from from this concept but I think it's such a powerful thing so if if this is a foreign concept to you like it used to be to me just do a little bit more research like Laura said you know get on YouTube do some searches about this stuff and just just just leave the door open a little bit to see if it it might sink in and it might there might be a little bit of truth to it because in my experience and I know it you know what Laura shared with me in her experience the uh the the power of these things has been just unexplainable it is it is and I want to share um one small example and one big example um neither relate to trading but I believe it relates to life and it it can have a big impact on maybe you know maybe somebody can relate to being in their calculator years or their left brain years and say no no no no I just just get me to the formula you know and and maybe you me sharing that and moving past that will help somebody I don't know but one of the things that in Dr. Ramoto's book that he photographed before and after he had a gunky water blob he uh did a prayer over it and then photographed it again and it was transformed into this spectacular geometric almost like what you would expect a snow crystal to look like or a snowflake kind of a disney snowflake right yes and so to speak to that um I did a side hustle in neuroscience for a few years and um it was using neurofeedback techniques and it was based on the idea that you could with the neuroplasticity in the brain um plasticity that you could retrain your brain to react to stress in a different way so if me saying to you you're late for some reason triggers you because it's something that happens you can you can grab that reaction in the moment with biofeedback or neurofeedback to try to have a different outcome so I had a and and it involves sensors on the brain um sitting in a chair for a long period of time um going through some exercises and with sound tones it it rewards the brain for choosing something different for choosing a healthier response so I happened to be watching this that it was actually my brother in law was doing some uh a brain training exercise and he was having a very difficult so alpha is the the frequency where we have the feel good we feel calm maybe we feel connected to a higher source beta might be the accounting department of our brain where we're executive functioning well we want these to be in the right balance in certain parts of the brain so whatever this training exercise was was to help him increase alpha in this particular low of the brain and we weren't getting anywhere we had done it um just for hours you know over the course of a week and I sat there and this is the god's honest truth I sat there and I prayed and I raised my own alpha and I watched on the screen his alpha um levels increased and despite everything that you think I wouldn't be surprised anymore I it still blew me away it was still that same moment of seeing dr. Emoto's work and seeing how powerful thoughts are and prayers are and you know the studies of people not even realizing they've been prayed for having better survival rates lower risk of heart attack less stress like physical measurable differences in it not even realizing if they're in the control group or the group that's being prayed for is phenomenal and so I saw that firsthand you know based on that experience of the neural feedback but the one and I really thought about whether this was relevant to share um because it has nothing to do with trading it but it's the most powerful example that I have so if you'll just let me have a couple of minutes to give you the background story my husband and I so Jeff we married in early 2000s he married into was divorced with four children under the age of 10 thinking I'm never going to date again ever so along comes Jeff just a fantastic fantastic guy I mean he was one of 11 kids so he always said that was half a family that was nothing and we always thought maybe we would have children together because he had none well that involved two reversal surgeries one for him one for me and during those years my dad had been diagnosed with in his mid 50s early onset dementia so in addition to raising before that I brought to the party we were raising my dad in reverse so anybody who's ever watched someone go through dementia knows what that's like it's like raising a child in reverse and so we just got really busy during those years and when my dad lost his battle Jeff turns to me one day and he says what would you think of trying in vitro just once and I said well honey we're in our 40s I think that ship has sailed he's like here's where he got me he says well let's let the universe decide we'll just do it one time and see and if it's meant to be you know the universal work it out well that's where he got me it was the whole universe thing but I wanted to pull a study up because back in about that time this was an article that came out it was one last chance for pregnancy it was published in 2005 and it says the live birth rate of women 40 to 43 years was less than 10 percent and that was after four to five rounds of in vitro and only 60 percent would carry to a full pregnancy so in the the odds were very low it was probably less than a six percent chance that it would work and I was also 45 so I was outside the range so it truly was going to take a miracle for this to work and so we went through so aren't the area that I live in the jones institute was responsible for the first test to baby back in I think the 80s it's very very famous which is where we went and the money we had set aside to buy two jet skis we spent on this round five and I had done quite a bit of reading about different rates of these different clinics and what clued me into this was that one of them talked about having a higher rate of success because they had certain types of air filters in the clinic and I thought huh I wonder another study talked about filtered water and that's when the light bulb went off I went back and found my book hidden messages in water and I thought I mean what could it hurt cost me nothing and so things fell into place you know so that we were able to fast track this whole thing and the day of and it was a lot of hormones and it was a lot of going through a lot of stuff and also a lot of fear because I didn't want Jeff to be disappointed you know our other kids were now teenagers so it was like starting all over and I didn't want to be disappointed myself so the day of the transfer I had written on my stomach now go back to the idea of the word and and the pictures when you go to look at the pictures of the hidden messages in water I wrote thank you twice on my abdomen and so I'm taken into the operating room and that's where they do the transfer and Dr. Oninger who has this big German accent this big lot of like white hair kind of like Einstein says but disease so he was just like thrown and we didn't say anything and so eight weeks later we found out we were having twins wow that is my real life story of bringing thoughts into like from the unseen into the scene it it's just and you know they're the same twins that this morning were arguing over who was going to get the cheddar chips in their lunch this morning and they're how old now they're 10 oh wow they're 10 so cool a long-winded story to explain there was no reason it should have worked it really it's I believe that the power of words and intention can just move mountains I mean can bring life into the world so what could it do to our trading you know like that's that is such a monumental event in my life and why can't it you know involve everything why can't it touch everything and so that's that those are the questions that I ask you know as a as a as a human as a scientist as a mom and that I'm super interested in and I think it just comes back to self-awareness and just opening for me it was opening my mind and sort of disconnecting a little bit from the the left brain analytical this is the way the formula works and you know gonna move on things that there's there's a little bit of magic you know involved or whatever you want to call it it's all energy really but um so you know that was my example wow that's amazing so how so how are you using this concept in your own trading well a few years back there was a movie called 51st dates by Adam Sandler and Drew Barrymore I remember that well every day she has a start over every day she has a start over she has to leave herself notes well this is sort of what happens to me when the market is open for some reason my brain shuts down so in my trade plan it has to be written in a way that my first great self or my Drew Barrymore self can follow it and it's got to be written it's got to be simple it's got to be um followable and and it and it has to be unique to me having gone through well what what makes me feel good you know does day trading make me feel good not so much not yet I'm still learning that one um I just try to lean into the energy of um of things and for me I've I've been paying attention you know for a few years as to what what works for me and some of that is a swing trade lifestyle um I did not think I would like weekly options I thought it was going to be a little I had traded forex you know for a number of years getting up at three in the morning day trading really all to break even I fortunately didn't lose money but you know a year and a half of really following my rules doing my discipline doing getting up at three in the morning you know the whole point wasn't to break even and um so I walked away from I always say I broke up with day trading about that time so for me it's really just leaning into what appeals to me like what gives me the most energy and for where I am right now it's it's more swing trading it's more rules-based approach it's more I really don't want to have to make any discerning judgments when the market is open because I've learned my brain shuts down and I just want it to be so I am coming full circle back to the show me the formula but um because I've been able to design it for what works for me I helped me create a plan it's helping me um establish discipline you know um if I make a mistake generally you know it almost never is that I broke my rule it's just that I went long instead of going short or you know like I was in the moment of maybe a little bit of nervousness and so that's my focus now is to just work on those issues and I know um and by the way I'm going to give you a little props here but one of the reasons that that you know we started talking and I wanted to have you on an episode was because you shared you know one of the strategies that you've you've just recently started is is our navigation trend trading strategy and you shared your trading plan with me and it literally is the most in-depth it's amazing it's it's one of the you know best trading plans I've ever seen you know it's it's something that is way beyond what I what I've ever done for myself and so it's just which by the way for you for you all listening she we're going to do another another session at some point hopefully just just based on her trade plan and and and share all the details with that but um it's it's just amazing the the amount of detail that you went into and not only the of the strategy and your position size and your rules but also the journaling side of it of you know how did you feel when you're in this trade and how did you feel when you entered and exited and and all the different things so it's it's uh it's pretty powerful and um you know just goes to props for that because that wasn't one of the items I wanted to do in fact I wanted that the least but it really has helped quite a bit so thank you yeah absolutely and so and so outside of that strategy what other what other kind of core strategies are you trading right now well I'm I had never traded futures before um landing at your you know at your courses and I still go back and I cannot remember how I ended up finding your your site it's I just think it was one of those things that must have been meant to be um and I've done tons and tons and tons of coaching and training and you know with other groups and it's really great when you find your home you find your people and you find the like-mindedness and so I I just want to thank you for that but um so I'm slowly disconnecting from some of my longer term strategies of holding stock and selling covered calls it's very difficult for me to systematize that um you know it's it's difficult for me to establish a rules-based system or that so it's also very capital intensive I you know you have to wait through huge drawdowns waiting for your stock to come back so I'm I'm still working through some of that and some of my bigger accounts um but with you know with your and I did the wheel quite a bit in 2022 with some naked puts which um anybody who traded in 22 can imagine that was maybe not the best year to learn that strategy um but okay it's on it's coming back and um you know part of my learning and I did lose some money last year and I want to say I'm so grateful for that I am so grateful that I had a holy crap moment because I think that is what opened my thinking to spreads and to some different volatility strategies and seeking more balance and I think that's how I found uh navigation trading so you know while it's not fun to see your count go down I will always be grateful for 2022 because of that you know I think um my well I think this goes for every trader ever but it seems it seems to me anyway that our biggest breakthroughs as traders always come after losing sessions whether it be a losing year a losing month a losing week depending on the duration of types or type of trading we're doing but the the biggest breakthroughs and the biggest lessons are always learned from losing trades I think as humans that's how we've learned the best and so I've told you I have six kids I have one that will learn from the mistakes of others and I don't know how that's possible but if you know and watching kids grow up it's like a grand science experiment also it's kind of fun to watch and I would like to aspire to that to be able to set down some of the egos set down some of the determined you know strong willed you know rigid thinking that that I still have and and learn the easy way and so you know one of my goals is you know like I'll put a water bottle on my desk now and for what I'm hoping you know to be able to achieve that day so today was balanced and then I'll just drink the water and but that is one of the ones that I want to put on my list is to learn allow myself to learn things the easy way okay so going back going back to your water bottle this is this is actually where I was going next so you know you mentioned you know I said how how are you applying the the concepts of hidden messages and water to your trading and you started talking about your trade plan which obviously involves notes and comments and you know a lot of self-awareness but but how else are you applying that concept I mean that that's that's a that's a good example you know putting a specific word or phrase on water bottle drinking out of that each day I mean do you have sticky notes all over your computer with different words too that's what I'm imagining here so so let's take us inside your battle station yes um I'm also I was diagnosed with adult ADD I've had it my whole life which I think some of the stuff I'm working through with trading like I've you know got these things running in my head that I must have decided when I was six well you know I'm not six anymore but for some reason that program's still running and you know just being aware and and I'll share this with you this is one of the best things I ever learned about energy work and so that's the answer to speak to your question is what's here now just those three words what's here now and for me you know because I'm running at a thousand miles an hour I'm doing 17 things and nothing all at once you know the ADD right is just to stop and say what's here now like I like I made a mistake entered the wrong number of contracts on my futures order like what's here now like where am I feeling that like what what is the mental dialogue that I'm having in my head about that and is that really you know the present day Laura or is that a different Laura that's just reacting to some trauma and and the script is running so it just comes back to that what's here now and just a little bit more mindfulness to be able to and you're aware of some of the stuff when I submitted my trade plan I was so afraid it was awful and I was so surprised that I got a positive you know feedback on it but that just speaks to not being in the present moment not being you know aware of what's here now and and then sitting with that or finding ways to process it I mean I I have all kinds of energy techniques that that I've learned over the years that work the cumbersome sometimes but other you know and it I like to use EFT it's an emotional freedom technique where it's basically restoring the energy circuits in and when we're all energy so if our energy is disrupted that's going to affect the flow so EFT kind of can get you back to being in a state of the proper flow and so sometimes that helps that sounds like a good topic for another episode no but and before we go here I do want to I do want to go back and touch on one thing that you said you know you said sometimes you feel like it's your six-year-old self kind of running in the ship and I've I've mentioned on this on different episodes in the past that you know our subconscious mind is nearly fully developed I've heard age you know from ages four to eight basically so what's in the middle of that six you know exactly what you said and so what what what a lot of people don't realize is that that subconscious mind is controlling the vast vast vast majority of our thoughts and so if you think about that from a trading perspective when you're making trading decisions a lot of times it's the six-year-old self that's running the ship that are making tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars of trading decisions it's your six-year-old self and so being aware that so again big big topic we could go eight different directions on but just wanted to hit that because you mentioned it it's it's such a such a powerful thing I agree well Laura this has been fun thank you I think there are a lot of other you know you're you have a very different background than me you have a different way of thinking and so for me I think you know my community hears me talking and I'm doing my videos my episodes every day and so um that's just that's my perspective right that's that's comes from from my environment my background my everything the way that I think and so I love having you know somebody like you on the podcast who has a totally different perspective totally different background and I think it'll be a lot of help to a lot of people so if you will indulge us I would love to have you back again in the future and and talk about some other concepts be great I may not have a bigger story than you know birthing two children no no no you set the bar up here you better come back with something really good oh I gotta get to work all right Laura thank you very much and thank thank you everyone for listening and we'll see you on the next episode