 the soldiers arrived here amongst them was soldier F and I call them soldier F because they were all granted anonymity in 1972 so we have A, B, C, D, E, F and so on but by trifle we know their names, we know who they are but soldier F arrived here looked towards the barricade which is about 80 to 100 metres just down the street and he fired a shot into the crowd there was about 30 or 40 people standing behind the barricade and Michael was one of them so soldier F fired that shot not carrying who it hit but Michael was the unlucky one and he was shot in the stomach and he fell behind the barricade now whilst that was happening my mother she was in that little flat up above that little apartment and the reason why she was there is because she followed Michael to keep an eye on him but she lost track of him so she went into the little flat to see if she could see him whereby she did and she called to Michael but Michael didn't hear her and he ran on towards the barricade so whilst she was standing in there looking for her son was murdering him just down the street and she left that little apartment not knowing that her son had been shot and I told you earlier on the story when we arrived back from the hospital that's when she found out Michael had been shot dead my name is John Kelly I am the brother of Michael Kelly one was murdered on Bloody Sunday I come from a family a large family of nine sisters and two brothers I have lived in Derry all my life and I am employed as the education and outreach officer within the Museum of Free Derry the museum is the tale of the story of the people this was set up by an organisation called the Bloody Sunday Trust and they formed in 1997 and they are a human rights group but part of the remit is education so someone came up with an idea of setting up an archive into the civil rights movement my job is to help people from all over the world understand the story of the conflict here in Derry but my prime job would be to tell the story of Bloody Sunday and that's what I do so we cover an era between the old history into the recent history and we will cover the likes of the civil rights era the Battle of the Bauxite Free Derry, Interment, Bloody Sunday and right on to Motorman so that covers that era during that period of time and I am there on a daily basis to actually hopefully educate the people who come into us and to hopefully explain the story of the people so the museum itself is a people's museum it belongs to the people it is totally independent we're not affiliated to any organisation whatsoever so I work for the Bloody Sunday Trust but I also work for the people and I am there to speak on behalf of my brother who was murdered on Bloody Sunday and all those who died that day as well so that is my job and that's what the museum is about the main history of the conflict in the town happened within the Bauxite you had all the major events you had the Battle of the Bauxite you had Bloody Sunday the ongoing war that was continuing here no, Bloody Sunday I say the Bauxite wasn't just the area where it all happened it happened all over the city but Bloody Sunday happened here in the Bauxite out there in Roswell Street and where the museum is actually situated is in the killing zone of Bloody Sunday Bloody Sunday happened just directly beside the building and that's the importance of where we are actually situated we were in two other places before that but eventually we got to its home that's where the home the Museum of Readerie is where the home is that's where Bloody Sunday happened and every other major event as well so we are in the correct position for instance when I turn around and say to people that I am the brother of Michael Kelly who was murdered on Bloody Sunday I see some reaction and they are actually talking to someone who was there who was affected by it and who is prepared to tell the story and that the self sold the museum truthfully because a lot of people will come into us afterwards and say I was talking to my friend I was talking to my mother I was talking to my brother and they say go and visit the Museum of Readerie and you will probably meet one of the Bloody Sunday Readeries once we were engaged with the Bloody Sunday inquiry in the Guildhall the Bloody Sunday Trust acquired a building in Shippey Street in the middle of the centre of the city and we occupied that building for seven years but whilst we were there I was given to us a rent free by a local businessman who owned it but whilst we were there we set up a few photographs and the television screen in the corner and even during that period of time people visited us to learn what was going on and I think it was a natural progression into setting up the museum because it moved gradually from A, B and then eventually C but it was important and people seen it as being important so as to tell the story of the people and what happened here there was no objection from anyone at all when it was actually set up we have never had any interference from any outside sources we have support from the Dairy City Council they supported us when we set it up they helped to fund it at the beginning and so on the Irish government helped to fund it and many many people during that period of time donated to the museum so I think it was a natural progression from the inquiry to what we have now I was not a member of the civil rights movement but he actually went out and supported the movement by showing up at the marches and so on but I remember that day well because it was a march that like all marches were banned they were supposedly illegal and the march was about internment it was a protest against internment and many people at the time were supporting the civil rights movement and also supporting the people who were in prison and the march was actually planned a couple of weeks before it and people looked forward to that day but I remember talking to Michael just prior to the march when the people were gallerying in the craigun up in the hill and I said to him Michael just be careful if anything happens to go home because Michael was never in the march before it was his very first march and the only reason why he went on the march is due to the fact that his friends were going and he wanted to go with them and there's actually footage of Michael at the start of the march and he was standing right at the very front of the march that shows you how naive he was but there is footage of him moving out of the march meeting his friends and going back in again and that was the last piece of footage we've seen of Michael so I left him and he went with his friends I went with my friends and I remember walking along with the march singing like everyone else and enjoying the crack as they called here in Ireland the crack people were singing, we should overcome all the civil rights songs and we had a good fun you know it was a good day it was a cold, crisp day bit of ice on the ground and so on but apart from that it was a nice day and people were very very joyful very happy singing, walking enjoying the crack, joking, laughing because we didn't expect anything to happen but then as we got closer to William Street which is just at the top of the street there and we passed the St Eugene's Cathedral and the Bishop, Bishop Farn I remember him standing at the window of the parochial house as we walked past he blessed the march and I find that strange you know I don't think he had any notion of what was going to happen or anything I got but then we went down William Street and which is just I'd say the building just and that was the first time we've seen the soldiers behind their barricades apparently there was about 26 army barricades built around this area to stop the people from coming in stop the people from going out and so on and then as we got on down William Street that was the first time I've seen the paris the paratroopers when you see the red berries and so on and I can still see them as we walk down on top of the building across the street called the post office but at the same time you know there was nothing there, nothing to fear not expecting anything at all the march organizers knew beforehand that the march was going to be stopped at William Street so they organized that the lead vehicle would take the people into Roswell Street so I like hundreds of others followed the vehicle but then I heard a lot of noise over on William Street so I went down to William Street and there was a small riot ongoing and smaller than comparison to what usually happened you know in those days we could have riots that lasted all day like a battle of bogside lasted for three days and two nights a normal riot would last for a few years some lasted for hours and the only time that they would stop if it rained when people got wet and went home or when people got hungry and went home and so on and we came back again afterwards but it was an ongoing thing in those days riots nearly every weekend over there at that corner so I went and watched it for a while and I got fed up and decided to come in into the bogside and listen to the speeches over free dairy corner I was walking over Chamberlain Street and I met a guy I knew and he used to take me to work he drove the car and his name was Barney McGuigan and I spoke to Barney for a couple of minutes along with a couple of friends and left him Barney McGuigan was one of those shot dead and bloody Sunday so I spoke to him a few minutes before he was shot dead so I got into the courtyard of the Roswell Flats which is just behind us and as I did so there was a shout that the army had moved into the area it was normal, the army never came into the area when the riots went on it never did but this was different that day and once that shout went up we all ran and the simple reason being was that in those days while you took part in a riot or you were in the periphery of a riot and you were arrested you went to jail for six months that was the norm so we all ran and I do remember if you're going to march in the Roswell Flats like a U-shape no, two blocks either side then one at the front like a ship if a ship if a U but in between there was two alleyways where you could exit through either side so I looked to the right hand side and I seen that it was actually jam packed with people so I decided to go the other way so I went through the alleyway and got three OK and that's when the shooting began I looked around the other side the shots started to go and I listened to all the shooting now I did know that it was army fire I didn't see the soldiers because of where I was lying and I didn't see where the who were firing at or where the bullets were actually going but I lay there for a while and I said to myself it's about time I got out of here so I got up and I ran across Roswell Street and as I did so two bullets passed my head you hear a whoosh whoosh you know so I eventually got across to the other side of the street where the Lizfanham Park and the shooting started again so I took cover in behind the building and when I arrived there my brother-in-law was there one of my brother-in-laws and we stood for a while listening to the shooting but as we stood there we went across the street and we seen a group of people and we wondered what they were doing with no idea at that time I had no idea anyone had been shot no idea because I didn't see anybody being shot and we decided to cross over the street and go and have a look and see what they were doing and as we stepped out from cover two bullets passed in front of us and I looked around and we couldn't see soldiers in front of us we couldn't see them to the sides there's only one place they could have came they fired from the dairy walls into the bark side and that's where the two bullets came from so we dived into cover again but then after a while they shouldn't have ended so we decided to try and get across again so we went across and we went and gathered along with the people and when we got there we looked down there was a body lying in the middle of a group and it was Jerry McKinney who I didn't know at the time and the people were actually trying to help him give him some medical aid resuscitate him and so on but once I was standing there I heard a shout from behind me and it was another brawler in the law of mines and he seen me in the crowd and when I looked around he shouted to me, John, Michael's been shot and that was the first time I knew he'd been shot and they were carrying him from the house on a stretcher so I joined them and helped to carry him and we put him in the ambulance just outside the museum and in the ambulance we had also Jerry McKinney who had been shot Michael and also Joe Mahon so those three people were in the ambulance and we went to the hospital but as we travelled to the hospital as we travelled down Roswell Street the parachute regiment were there so we had to go through them to get and the ambulance was stopped by the parachute regiment so I lowered out the window the F half we're trying to get people to the hospital here so they let us through so we got to the hospital and we took Michael and the rest into the casualty area and the doctor Jack Michael said I'm sorry he's dead and I said to him are you sure and he checked him again and said I'm sorry he's dead but eventually my father did arrive with one of my sister one of my sisters and we approached them as they walked down the corridor of the hospital and we we told them Michael's dead and I still see him sliding down the wall and started to cry because they lived in hope that he wasn't dead apparently they've been told my mum and father have been told that Michael had been shot in the ankle but he was okay so they believed he was still alive until they arrived at the hospital so my father had to tell him so eventually we had to go to the mortuary where all the bodies were taken and it was a scene I'll never forget a horrific scene someone out of a horror movie when we went into the mortuary there was a bodies line in trolleys bodies lying on the floor bodies in freezer units and we had to go through the bodies to eventually we found Michael and my father formally identified him that was the procedure so as we left the mortuary we were stopped by two policemen two REC men and they said to us we want to ask you some questions and pretty crudely I turned the fuck off I said we've enough to deal with there so we went on out and then I remember then we were sitting in a car and as we had arrived he took us home and we were waiting for my father who was still inside the hospital and he must have been signing some forms or something and as we sat there I looked over to my left and I seen this army vehicle drive up to the casualty all of a sudden the back doors were flowing open and soldiers jumped out and started dragging bodies out so they had three bodies in the back of the vehicle pulling them out with their ankles and carrying them by their arms showed them no respect whatsoever and the three bodies was John Young Michael McDade and Willie Nash those three were shot dead at the barricade but what they did was they picked those three bodies up at 4.30 the time I'd seen them bringing those bodies out of that vehicle was just after six o'clock so they had those bodies for about an hour and a half and the story is that one or two of them were still alive when they were in that vehicle when they were picked up at the barricade but then we had to go home and my mother was waiting in hope living in hope that Michael was still alive and when we arrived home my mother and father's house and we went in to see the front door and into the living room and my mother was sitting in the corner waiting for us and we had to tell her that Michael was dead never forget it Bedlam, my mother went down to the house, Derrick's and the thing about her that she doesn't remember anything for approximately five years after it she went down to that state of mind closed her, closed down and she was no good to herself she couldn't look after herself, she couldn't look after her children that's why badly it affected her but after bloody Sunday it became a war and the time for peaceful protest was over and you probably heard the story of a lot of young people joined the IRA the Reagan bloody Sunday was one of the best recruiting sergeants for any organisation, especially the IRA so a lot of young people were queuing up to join the IRA so the civil rights movement was done was over things have changed dramatically things have changed horrifically that after that it was about bombings, shootings people dying on a daily basis so things changed dramatically and that one year of 1972 it had the most it was the worst year of death here nearly 500 people lost their lives and that year of 1972 and it was to do with the reaction of what happened here on that day and I'm talking about young people who joined the IRA I'm talking about soldiers I'm talking about police I'm talking about civilians that's what happened here, it was massive the Reagan the first time it was commemorated was six months after bloody Sunday but then it became a yearly event whereby it was commemorated every year through March originally it was actually organised by the Northern Civil Rights Association but then it was actually taken on board by Sinn Féin so Sinn Féin organised the march for many many years in the aftermath so in other words I have marched along with other families and many other family members right up to the year after we got Savile which was in 2010 so the actual last march I had been almost 2011 I haven't marched since so thousands of people commemorated bloody Sunday example on the 25th anniversary 40,000 people commemorated that day on one march 40,000 people marched on the 25th anniversary the normal was between 10, 15, 20,000 depending what year it was and so on but prior to that there the march was getting smaller and smaller but the families came together on the 20th anniversary along with friends and so on and we organised the Bloody Sunday Justice Campaign and the families then became involved in the actual organisation of the march and we helped to uplift it and we brought more people onto the streets and so on so we we helped to actually organise and run the march after 1992 because the campaign had begun and then more people were shown support for the campaign as the years went on so that's the way it was we had a cover-up by the British in relation to the fact that a lot of people were innocent they condemned our people to be IRA, gunmen and bombers and that was totally not true but everyone knew the truth everyone knew that none of those who died and were injured that day were IRA everyone knew that but Wideray he delivered a report that condemned our people and the families weren't prepared to accept that so that's why the campaign began and we have three demands one was a full declaration of innocence for our people the second one was a repudiation of Wideray who was the first inquiry into Bloody Sunday repudiation in other words is to give rid of it to repudiate, to give rid and the third one was the prosecution of the soldiers and anyone who claimed a planned Bloody Sunday now that's what our three demands were within the campaign for many years we campaigned to get the case reopened which we did achieve through a lot of hard work and a new report a new inquiry was set up the new inquiry lasted for 12 and a half years but the inquiry was to find out the truth about what happened so for 12 and a half years Lord Savon and his team investigated Bloody Sunday and from that we got a full declaration of innocence okay if a person is innocent the perpetrator who killed him or her or she should be brought to justice so we're in the final stages I think of the journey in relation to truth and justice we had truth, not a hundred percent but now to complete we have to see justice to be done so now what we have now is the police the PSNI who are now conducting a murder investigation into what happened and our view on it is that these people should be brought brought into court and prosecuted for what they did here my family and many other families want to see these guys go to jail because they're killers they're murderers they committed murder they attempted murder as well and there's only one answer to what they did here and there's only one thing if we want is justice and to us that means these soldiers should go to jail and we don't care what age they are it's a material to us murder is murder is murder that's what Maggie Thatcher said many years ago and it shouldn't matter what age you are you know when quite recently there we actually we've seen a 92 year old Nazi be brought in to be prosecuted for murder our our situation is no different there was a war crime committed here in this town on Wall Street the war crime was committed against my brother and all those who died and war criminals are brought to justice so we see these guys as war criminals in the story and hopefully we will see that happen not all the families want that one or two of the families are happy with what they got out of Sable they've seen their loved one being declared innocent other families want these guys prosecuted the fast majority want these guys prosecuted and I believe that is the only answer and the only way of closure for me and my family and all the others I have met many leaders and who come into the museum all the time they bring their young people with them I have dealt with cross community groups Catholics Young Catholics Young Protestants I have dealt with Protestants students who come in from their schools and I talk to everyone exactly the same you know I tell them my story and I tell them what the museum is all about and they are there to learn the same as anyone else I have actually had the UVF in there they also found here for us they are part of the organization the first proper paramilitary organization I have had the UDA the officer defense association again a paramilitary loyalist organization and I have dealt with them exactly the way I have talked to you today and the respect the story the respect my role the respect the fact that who I am the respect the museum for what we are doing okay you get the odd one no who would never accept what they say but the vast majority of the people from other side and all sides respect our story and respect us and that is important so we are about education it is about teaching and that is what our prime job is to educate people when they come into the museum and it doesn't matter if you are a young Protestant a young Catholic from Catalan, from Spain from the Basque Country anywhere in the world Americans, French, Italians doesn't matter but it is important for the young people to learn what happened here because they can only learn from what we endured and hopefully they would not be a part of a repeat a repeat process of war that is the important fact what I am doing now is not just for me but it is for my children and my grandchildren they are the future and hopefully they will learn from what we went through that hopefully they would never have to endure like us we are in a peace process at the moment if you look out there the young guys and girls are getting like any normal teenager anywhere else in the world they are doing their thing they are enjoying themselves we hadn't got that you know as we were coming up we were in the middle of a war when bombs gone off people dying on a daily basis not sure whether to go on to the street not sure whether I should go to my work not sure if my son should go to school that is all gone now young people have a better place than we had that they have a normal life things can only get better and hopefully that will be the case for the future things will get better but it is up to the politicians and it is up to us to ensure that happens and I think the education the horrors of war the things will return to that common sense people understanding each other that is what it is all about well we elect politicians and we elect them to do a job and we expect them to do that job but the difficulty in this part of the world is the old regime the one of people trying to stay in the status quo in other words remain keep it as their ancestors had we are in a different era here now the old politics have now disappeared now it is shared politics we have nationalist republicans sitting along with union loyalists 15 years ago no one thought that would ever happen and down to the politicians who will determine which direction this country will go Ireland got a lot out of the European community through funding and so on we got a lot out of it we have had European funding as well and so on and it is great when you look around all the different countries even trying to still join the European community it can only be a bit better for everyone and plus the fact there is less chance of war here among us and the old days we had all the separation all the different countries and we still have that but there is no war going on within the European community at the moment is there and it is down to the people and it can only be for the betterment of the people the Euro I think created a bit of a problem because I know the British they want to hang on to their pound their pound sterling I am a European citizen but mostly Irish I have an Irish passport I haven't got a European passport I don't know if you can get one of those or not I don't know but I am first and foremost Irish but I am part of the European community I was in Brussels there last year in relation to the Jared Donaghy kiss when Jared Donaghy was shot dead and bloody Sunday Martina Anderson who is an MEP and she took us across to Brussels to put forward a kiss in support of Jared Donaghy's situation you know when you walk in there and you look at all the different nationalities you hear all the different tongues all the different languages being spoken and so on you say to yourself you know this isn't bad this isn't bad you know that's good I think it's good