 I'm going to start it off with the bell and a few good breaths to start it off the already always free and perfect remit you were going to say something it's even in the name god be silent you want to know something you want to know something man I was born on Hanuman genti and it's my birthday it was my birthday today so and there's a little synchronicity tinder for you this connections man those that web is just too deep it's just too rich man the tapestry is just too delightful the tapestry unfolds itself in front of you what's your relationship with time around this revolution yeah well this like a big big big pain painting itself all the time the canvas is the canvas is just the canvas paint as much as the paint brings out the that is being made and eaten at the same time that's a good one that's a good one I've really enjoyed the analogies that help people realize infinity because how many different ways can you arrange musical notes into a song how many different ways can you arrange images into a movie how many different ways can you arrange food into recipes and especially what you just said is that we're actually making the chicken soup and eating it too they're making each the process is making each other and that's a good one because if earth if this universe the civilization is a chicken soup the next creation will be a beet salad and the next one will be steak and potatoes and etc yeah you'll never come to the end of all combinations man the flavors and even the scientist the mathematicians the logicians have proven girdle and so many others have pointed at this and vittgenstein you'll never come to the end of all combinations of math ever and so that's what this is spirituality has been saying it for thousands of years so bring it together we're done and we got infinite amount of chefs we're just throwing in oh a little bit of salt here salt there chili there we're all making it for each other cooking up spellcasters dude I mean I don't I don't even know when that whole rap thing um that whole whatever that was that was when that began and when it ends up oh you and she well dude it's just it's been like you know yeah everybody there was a whole there was a whole thing that happened earlier tonight before before before you before you join the call um we were all I don't know yeah you heard about it we were gonna make the the band and everything and I was saying like you know that just it's like exactly what you say the sprinkle of salt and pepper and and chili and and latte and you know french fries and just the sounds and textures and it's like I think the compassion comes in where you realize that you are making the soup for all others to eat too you're keeping the eater in mind as you're creating that yeah food you know that's what makes good food yeah all the time and the thing is like that's when the understanding comes in is because when people recognize that um especially when people recognize like insecurities and things like that that's when people are like hey man like you know this is not never a hindrance in the first place you know this is like your it's your play it's your yes I have an extension of the analogy on episode two with frank yang he's been perpetuating the cosmic octopus right so the so the the cosmic octopus is the one god self the one witness the one observer the one seer the one awareness the all inclusive awareness and that each of us are adding the spices in the cosmic octopus chef that's cooking it cosmically and we're these eight billion tentacles that are both in taking the food as well as cooking the food so yeah paint yeah it's I was kind of a little bit of an interesting synthesis have you guys seen it's an it's an ever flowing synthesis dude yes it's the the synthesis and the d synthesis are just the you know it's never like you know I kind of want to open up into that analogy because I don't feel like the octopus has a center or a body but the whole thing is the center at the same time yeah perfect this it's it's so mind bending as the singular sphere of locating the center of yourself becomes the whole sphere you see that there's there's no words for it because words create the boundary of the of the wiggle wiggle wiggle wiggle the expansion go ahead so now we just echo about expansion this is this is of pretty interesting way to put awakening as the series of expansions in the series of dissolving and that process of the nothingness to everything this and then that being that very cosmic octopus without an eye the eye is so intoxicative and so illusory but it's the it's the most important aspect to our creation because there has to be the power to know so it's both the crown attribute and it's the crown assumption at the same time yes bring bring that in brandon's bring that in the one who forgets the one who remembers the two sides of the infinity symbol for those that are just on audio love that one and the ebb and flow between those states of remembering and forgetting see i it isn't forgetting that the joy is renewed until you recognize that the remembering and the forgetting are also you can't there's no the remembering and forgetting you could never have one without the other it isn't forgetting that the joy is renewed yep there you go that's when the laughter comes in that's when the cosmic joke is like that's when the yours is like fuck it hell dude i was giving this one time thanks for the comment it is a vibe quantum catalyst is the name yeah that's a sick name yeah you know this is interesting is that dualistic concession is really important that's why the taijitsu that has both the monist and the yin yang within it is so critical because it's both there is nobody that asleep ends and then awakens and yet there is and so that's the well jiao dunyi had a fucking image four to thousand years ago that everybody forgot about which is the taijitsu and so it's also plastered all over other cultural traditions yeah this is it oh you mean the okay well yeah but you see the the key with the taijitsu is that it is both the monist and it's the yin yang in one symbol and the the old school representation of it this one over here on the left the old school representation of it it actually has more of an ascensionary component to it a cyclic yet ascensionary that that they interplay at a more playful sort of yeah and then ties into the eight trigrams and eight aspects of nature and it feels like the helix to me it's the dna man it's the helix it's the dna yeah it's the constant going up going up going up going up yeah also going down going down can i guys show you guys an image that like i think correlates with this of course yes yep yeah so there's the taijitsu and then the oral boros which i literally made last year into an image yeah go ahead taijitsu created the impermanence cycle and the time wave cone and it's really hard to simultaneously visualize those because that breaks conceptual thinking but they they isolated it in a symbol which is kind of like the maha mudra it's a great symbol that you were holding with the two things elmo it's like the vajra yeah the vajra yeah yeah yeah that's what it called for sure dude i want i want to the sock man today i found the i today i found the mala and uh it just did something to me dude i don't even know what it was but just just holding it in my hands and just like wanting it through my uh between my fingers just i don't know why 108 it just does something good mm-hmm what was the key of the i'll pull it up va d r a uh gay va j r a and that's the that's like the symbol of the third buddhist path because after mahayana comes the vajrayana vajrayana yeah that's good dude i'm looking to get some vajrayana tattoos man oh yeah oh for sure your artwork is insane man the clouds and the whole the deities and fuck man it's so beautiful and it's so rich like when you just dive into it its its volumes the vajra is a sanskrit word meeting both thunderbolt and diamond it's like the thunder enlightenment that comes like yeah awakens you this fucking burst to you open and the diamonds is the indestructibility of dharma and truth the indestructibility of dharma will be ineffable because zolkchen is known as the great vehicle and so that's what they're the diamond vehicle the dharma and the thunderbolt is the that's cool you know the pats uh hinayana small vehicle uh mahayana a great vehicle they're kind of just preparatory steps for the vajrayana because that's where you actually get to live again yeah that's what you can do you kind of restrict you just go to the dharma mahayana you expand you get back into the world but vajrayana just you just become whatever you are and your being is deity-fied you become a cooler you become your own version of the universe with all the other so is the great zog chin solution an attractor attractor yes yeah it is so zolkchen the great vehicle aka also can be thought of as like sufi metaphysics or as eruvada buddhism any any sort of advice of adanta these can totally be thought of attractors as attractors yeah even even entheogens are attractors magic mushrooms what's an entheogen i would say something though i would entheogen what psychedelic means mind manifesting but entheogen means unleashing god within the divine within and so that's why entheogen is just a more clean word for it it's more precise it's like precision you know precision yeah i dig that because there can be two ways of taking those substances just tripping and awaken with most the symbiotic relationship yes yes the life force synergy with the plant your life force sinking with it creating something new nice helix right yeah helix then dances with itself one end you thought one end you thought whatever entheogen you have the other end it's you one end is god the other end is you you and then it's only when the dancing just one stick yeah and then when the dancing begins it recognizes just one little yo weren't we just talking about that thing almost that lightning in the something yeah what is it lightning and what diamonds yeah thunderbolt and diamond thunderbolt and diamond yeah and then there's the bell which the other symbol and the bell and the vajra symbolize almost those are charged up bro wisdom items i can see it and skillful application so you got wise action enlightened activity yeah give us a little bit on that again on the vajra so the vajra is a symbol for the way that the dharma hits you when it really hits you it's like you're just walking out on the field minding your own business not even meditating and the truth hits you that you don't die it's like getting a blessing from fucking Zeus you just you get hit with the lightning but you don't die so you know you're kind of you got something out of that experience even though it might like zap you and hurt you you still got it you received it and that's it man the lightning leaves a it leaves a mark and it leaves a mark on uh on it's for anybody who is working with energy you know it can feel like a lightning i mean from like within going into all your cells running it's because it's electromagnetic and the bell is the magnetic part so you have the vajra which is kind of masculine the bell which is kind of feminine but they're just symbols you know well they're they're also they're symbols but they're also attractors they're kind of like the divine symbols really they're like our most divine symbols there are most divine pedagogies if you want to know how to turn inward and recognize nothingness and infinity and even baby step yourself to awareness and then to this nothingness and infinity if you want to know your true nature you may as well you're going to get gravitated it's actually not possible for you to not become aware of Advaita Vedanta and Dzogchen and Theravad Vuzo Sufi metaphysics all of the main mystic traditions you'll at least learn about one of them and many people end up learning about two three four five because what they're trying to do is or all of them because what they're trying to do is they're trying to abstract out a meta pattern of what is the most optimal way to look at the very one end that's where I came from the last year was this meta pattern angle to it and I would say that that's probably the greatest quality of my conceptual lattice work is the fact that it carries many different traditions and concepts more time faceted yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you're just that's why that's why I think one here one there it's beautiful it's it's a prism gets the light and it reflects it all realizing the located godhead of the one end is realizing that's a rodeo field realizing godhead equals realizing toroidal field and how it moves is the way the down moves oh yeah oh yeah at the same time it's going in yeah and it's going out yeah and when it's going out it's going in it's going out it's going out it's going in everything that's what the greatest symbols are us man and woman yeah why do you think why do you think why do you think why do you think Vajayana was willing to to make sex like part of part of the spiritual path like and that's why I was going to say earlier too like I feel like um antheogens and um antheogens and and uh Zogchen and Vajayana specifically as an attractor I feel like just for our generation specifically like our you know just like if you just look at all the creatives at our age um like on earth right now humanity at this time just what's popular and what's hip and what's cool is actually what's getting people to wake up you know and and if people were to just follow you know it's like I think I think sockman said it like liquefying into your passions that's what happens to people is like once you liquefy that's when you know it hits you and it's just the the liquid just doesn't end right and it's so and it's like whether it'd be through antheogens and Vajayana and like looking at that art um photography and all of these things aperture in and out you know it's it's it's having that movement and that play and that dance with uh everything with every aspect of whatever it is you've liked and disliked and loved and hated and everything and being able to move with any of that with anyone anywhere is what it's it's like right there in every single you know every breath of every atom of every dandruff piece falling off your hair and into the soil and into the into the blade of grass with the sun reflecting off it and and you know where is that light is that light inside your inside your eye is it the the kaleidoscope inside your inside that eyeball where is that light the gray of your eye it's always just portal and something going in yoming off the other end black holes white holes increasingly fractal and granular me and godship have in this conversation one arm five arms fractals this is what it is this is what it is like a tree growing and the roots are equally as there we go and welcome we're mad none spam welcome in all zen buddhists and uh vajrayana practitioners and infinite bras and every body psychedelics and all everywhere and all coronaviruses everything everybody welcome earlier elmo said that the fractal is moving in you and you're moving in the fractal that was really good so you're in the middle this is what we're doing is we're actually working on making the nature of reality disseminated to the masses in the most immersive experience as possible yeah which is really exciting frank's also really passionate about that we'll potentially be doing that in the fall together and so you guys are all doing that yourselves as well on your channels and your platforms as and this is why this zen fam is so strong is because the that's what's bringing our hearts together is the truth and visualizing it and disseminating it and serving other people's awakenings i think jason silva was trying to do something so similar i don't know i remember he had spoken about like a like a movie experience like in a theater they sit down and literally get enlightened with the experience yeah and xin zhen yang i think he was working on like some thing you could put on your head and it would give you the correct brainwaves yeah that it would emulate the state of samadhi because it is anyway that's what i was going to say is that the the reason that uh that these things work and the reason like i would i would you know i had a i was i was i was on this sfdc call once and um um and we were reading some mahayana sutra and just this conversation just started and it just kept going and going and going and i recognized that you know the reason in buddhism they have like the three the three jewels you know the buddha the dharma the sangha it's these are just words but what they represent is is you know it's it's having that um it's because of the fractalization it's because of that liquefying and it's because of that echo that those three jewels are three jewels you know it's like your your most treasured it's it's the you know the trinity of it's the the north star yeah for me it's the three characteristics anata anika and duke are the reflections of the three jewels so you've got the no self the reflection of that is buddha the universal self yeah you got the the uh dharma which could be the okay so i mean dharma is buddha and its factoriness the dharma is perfect so that is the balancing side of the suffering samsara nirvana and then there's the i don't know which reflects which but you know you get it it's the star david again and the the impermanence is like the impermanence is like the the impermanence is like the knot that ties that suffering and you know self together impermanence is like it's like the the wake up call you know impermanence and seeing like water like the axis of the two yeah yeah it's only because of impermanence that you can have you know not to have movement of the two you must have the hub of the wheel to have movement you must have a hub and that's the balancing point that's like where there is no masculine no feminine just the movement to do even getting people to that go go for it go for it and coming in yeah coming into that balancing point no matter who lost them you can always find your way back into it because that is the center less center and you yes we all know the direction and the path there that's our shared heart yeah yeah that's the place where we actually meet not through our thoughts and yeah that's where we meet it's the source right it's like the it's the source it's just that shinsen diagram of just this little thing in here and it's just a space and time just going around it and he's like oh just abide in the unborn abide in the unborn and you know it's unborn is it this one yeah that's it that's it wow activity of the source to say man I think I think shinsen the only reason he got so deep into his meditation it has to be because of all the weed he used to smoke dude it has to be good who is shinsen is that that scary guy who's shinsen can you pull up a picture yeah shinsen young is uh this guy I think I know him oh yo that's the dude man I know that dude he is amazing dude he's awesome dude he's so I don't know him well such grounded down yeah yeah it's like he you know it's like he's standing on that heap of jewels but he's not above you he's so he's so exactly exactly normal dude I I was so lucky like I got to I got to talk with him just for like a short duration yeah yeah and just like it was insane man I told him like hey look this is where I'm at right now in my practice like I don't have you know I have no clue what the fuck is going on and I'm like you know it just feels like all parts flying lose and but at the same time they're not it's like I know what I where I am but I don't know where I am at the same time and blah blah blah and then he's like and then I described it to him and all I said was you know I just I just I keep recognizing that as soon as I hear something it's known before I even move there and so I don't have to move there and I and I just told him he's like yeah I was like you know where what now and he's just he's just burst burst out laughing he's like what now that's the question to be answered is what now and that's the thing like to me it's like the character is you know like Frank has said it Hanjo has said it so many times I think everybody has experienced it after having had some sort of like either a life changing trip or just a really deep somebody where as soon as you come out of it you're like fuck what happens now and it's I think for me for me personally like Vajrayana and all of that and embracing the outer experience is where the the the character and the aligning that at least yeah that's really neat that's really good to the activity of the source yep yeah aligning your activity your activity perfection yeah and uh after enlightenment the dishes all right let me hit let me hit some tennis balls so what you can say the activity of the source is is it's the gps callback functionality inward towards the black hole and it's the fireworking endlessly outward as unique expressions and so we've refined this human vehicle over creations to be able to create the style of lila that actually happens as a bunch of love light and so it took a long time to get this neurobiology oh yeah and so then what happens is most people go out as fireworks first because honestly the attractor to go outward is really strong because going inward you end at the same place every time it's a different way in but it ends at the same place but outward is different every time that's why people love going outward so much because it's different every single time and so there's endless fireworking that's eternally different form and different creativity because that's we are the inexhaustible creativity but the activity of source outward people are more attracted to which is why there's so much self-actualization and self-development and self-help literature and psychology will focus on that versus the inward the inward is critical with the activity of the source because every time somebody tries to firework outward they're get intoxicated by maya and so they end up getting they go for their firework but they're doing it to try and extract peace and happiness from the creation but you'll never get it from the creation you'll always have the watch or the car or the experience the relationship whatever it is will never fully satisfy the only way to fully satisfy is to become aware that the nature of the observer itself is peace and happiness and then so that's why going inward itself the activity of the source going inward is what enables the fireworking outward to be in full-fledged harmony with the creation in your service and then and then the reason that you can't say Vajrayana is separate from Theravada and all of this stuff and you know how Francis expansion and contraction is because when you go out and you look into phenomena and you really look into it that's when you see that what either you're going in or going out it's the same place you're going to right which is why it's it's it's every time you remember that oh it's a dream it's an illusion and it's just you know as soon as you start feeling your fingers and you can notice the depth and the richness in there that's when you recognize oh my god it's coming from the very same place all the time constantly on and on and over and over again which is when you know you're taking a shit and it's like you're in heaven but this so there's there's more to this point that's that's really interesting actually it has to do with the image that we didn't get to talk about too much that showed up which is the immersed Klein bottles as well so you know Felix Klein and again mathematicians and geometricians and scientists have for the longest time Mobius stripping or M.C. Escher with our have been trying to point us in this direction that spirituality has also been pointing to for the longest time which is the infinite go ahead yeah can I intercept um shout out to Dr. Vesselin Junic Mobius trick Mobius strip Mobius strip uh disseminator Vesselin Junic how do I spell university how do I spell it Vesselin Junic Vesselin you Simon Fraser University Vesselin Junic B.E.S. Alliance um here I'll I'll I'm not sure exactly but I'll find it and tell you okay yes send it to me and in the meanwhile this stuff is mission critical for visualizing the nature as well if you get the taste that the nature is like I got it it's a J.U.N. G.I.C. Vesselin J.U.N. G.I.C. J.U.N. J.I.C. and dude this is so critical like I was I'm sorry I'm while you're searching this up you know this conversation is so critical especially in the private chat send it in the private chat yeah so yeah this is like just just this whole thing I said about like the micro phenomena phenomenology and at the same time you know being able to expand and contract like Frank puts it amazingly where he says you know step one uh contract step two expand step three be able to do both uh step four be able to do that while you're drinking milk you know and it's like uh to to me it's like my experience with this when I first had it was I was I was walking on campus and I was just I basically it was like I think to me enlightenment is like controlled psychosis in a lot of ways that's what it is and and so it's like and you recognize like your sanity is a privilege as well like your sanity is not something like it's also a creation just like anything else and to be able to connect is a very important it's one of those skillful means type of things and so me sanity is the basic yeah that's that's so the base yep yeah locating same and self illuminating like the nature of mind is sane yeah that it can twist itself into a not think it's insane but it's still sane it's still sane yeah and that's the thing like I was I was on campus and I was like just I didn't understand it at all and my thought process was just completely broken and I recognized like whatever I was thinking it was true in the moment as it was going on but I was drawing connections that were just so like unseen unthinkable that I was like okay this is not you know I'm just I don't even know what's going on like is this solipsism is this non-duality where is the where is the what you know and so so I'm walking around campus and I'm just sitting there and I started looking at these rocks and I I sat at this bench I hadn't done anything anything whatsoever like no drugs nothing I'm just sitting there okay and it was after I had had some sort of like glimpse and I'm just sitting at the bench and just the sunlight and everything and I'm like okay I'm just gonna not go to my class right now and just just see where this these trains of thoughts go and I just noticed moment by moment like how you know depending on what it was that I was recognizing and depending on the connections I was drawing for myself or for others it was visible in the moment what I saw where the shadows went on their face if I saw beauty on their face that's what they saw in themselves too if I saw divinity on their face they saw divinity on themselves too and they came from divinity it wasn't like I put it on them it was the very fact that they themselves just had the place to bring it out and it's not like I did it right it's just I was open just whatever in whatever I was doing it just happened and it was in that that I recognized just looking back on it it said people have this all the time when they people have this all the time when they're just like you know look at a look at a blade of grass and you just dig deeper and deeper and deeper into it and you just see those neurons and you know where like the neurons like the the hair on your head the grass yeah the hair on the head the grass on the floor the carpet on the the sock on your foot the cap on your head the beer on your chin it's all ecstasy it's all ecstasy for those that are subtle enough to detect that it's all ecstasy which is why step one and step two you really got to be vigilant with not falling into the crevices of psychosis and then stabilizing as a normie and then disseminating and further catalyzing awakening and as you do that that the sort of ecstasy will fill your every single experience the entire creation is in itself ecstasy it is yeah that yet the universal background omnipresent undercurrent of ecstasy can't be heard for those with a noisy mind that was all of our first step it's everyone's first step you have to quiet the mind it's the recognition that the noise isn't even noise that's the point do you post the quote i posted i think that's perfect for this put it put it in the private chat and i did it yeah that's a perfect like you know the moment the moment noise becomes noise it is just it's all it's ejaculated instead of injeculated here what you're saying like the undercurrent the first thought of love is the granular warmth ecstasy that atlas is talking about and adding to ramen's cascade it's it's no noise it's it's all pervasive no noise is every noise yeah no noise is every noise sound with echo i i wouldn't i wouldn't say or experience that the the nature of the all pervasive background is ecstasy bliss but the granular awareness in seps at the first thought of love at ecstasy bliss yeah so the big bang is just a explosion of love okay well then let's play with that a little bit more because if you were technically abiding in the all inclusive awareness or the one god self perpetually then you would be bliss ecstasy peace but because you still and i still and all of us still undergo a process of of course correcting to that realignment with the pure love light that way we're not we don't because everything that we talk about regarding oh it's not the undercurrent it's because we get attached to some sort of a thought cloud that appears or a layer of conditioning i have lack right now i'm feeling a need that needs to be validated by other fireworks or else i can't be happier peaceful but if we abide perpetually repeatedly non-stop until it becomes 100 home which is such ananda then that's when we're that's why it's a perpetual process it's not a one and done boom done it's like oh well i get it and now there's an abiding process and it deepens over time and that's beautiful but once you get it you can't lose it so that's already are another way guys you where you at yeah let's let's let's unpack with roam god trip where you at um i've had so many different clips man of all kind of different shit but i feel like in my everyday life i kind of go back like i'm i'm i've let go of almost every concept i don't give a shit about knowledge anymore i don't care about i'm just i just am you know just a kind of channel i don't really think too much and i went from like two months ago i was just a crazy fucking thing all day long what's the next step what's the key was a cheat code what is the ultimate you know piece of knowledge now i've realized it's fucking insane to even search for that shit like just stupid but um so i just been chilling but and i yesterday i was aware of awareness i was very aware of like just bodily sensations and thoughts and everything mind period it's completely separate from what i am and um we're not separate but i felt separated i guess in the moment but i guess i didn't get the the explosion i still haven't had the explosion but i have had very weird clips i guess i'm feeling one with everything very compassionate um like no anger i don't be angry for anything anymore really fuck yeah um but that's what i've been i just i haven't had the moment and i know it's i'm chasing it and i'm chasing it still even without any other thoughts that is like my only thought now just enlightenment enlightenment enlightenment and and that's why i've been just listening to you guys trying to catch patterns still like my old thought process and then i kind of like escaped yogurt and then i come back so i still haven't gotten it all the way though and i feel like there's that little ego that little piece of the brain or whatever the fuck it is just jumps in the way it's like hold on motherfucker like you're almost there but no look over here you know look over here you're distracting me everywhere i'm like fuck you you know i'm trying to like but then it's like when i when i zoom out it's it's like looking at a video game character that's like fighting it himself in the mirror and i i think it's so dumb you know i'm like this is so stupid yeah what you said in the chat bro what you said in the chat bro you said exactly like how the fuck am i talking to all of these enlightened reflections of myself and i'm still not getting it yeah exactly some truth that's why i'm listening to you guys this is fucking crazy but the fact that you are here me this you're so fucking close we're already surrounded by the enlightened self-illuminating thoughts and reflections of yourself and there's still that small speck it's just like you know for me for me it's the thought wait wait wait wait can i let me hit the ball back to roam for to gacha because i think it's really important that as we make this container that we also aim to help each other yeah and so and so what it sounds like is that this process of when the perception is kind of being brought outward right you know it's being brought outward you're like tennis ball pen tennis ball pen object object object experience thought emotion whatnot just keep bringing it back perpetually to observing or to seeing or to witnessing awareness itself perpetually keep bringing it back like like really like look like you have two ping pong balls like focus on the two ping pong balls themselves over repeatedly over and over again on the actual two ping pong balls and then realize that the same observer is looking out of all of the other pairs of ping pong balls around the planet that's a shared like a shared thread coming from every single one of those observers and so then there's like an all inclusive awareness that you can tap into more and more and then if you recognize that that one all inclusive awareness is even just like you know when you go to dream at night and you like enter your dream and you simulate out the observer and the reality for the observer that is exactly what we are as source that simulates the awareness that all inclusive awareness and the reality for it to immerse itself into so kind of like go back in your perception over and over and over again until you get to the source of the all inclusive awareness and so then you hit that very nothingness and you hit the very everythingness and then just kind of just navigate that abiding process but to have that style of like a roadmap has been for when I hit the ball back for people has been good just hone in again on the very fact that you're aware and that awareness is shared among us all and that there you are the source of the awareness yeah and to me to me like color helps a lot you know depending on how you like just how your brain is wired but literally like just looking at black you look at black and instantly you can just recognize like oh there it is oh oh each time you blink you know it's like oh look oh there oh you know it's where it's where it's coming from it's where it's going to and it's just recognizing that like every moment all the time and black is just you know just because black it's like you just see it just it's it's it's beyond black you know it's the reason you look at like you see black and then it's because you go beyond it and then you see the light on it and it's like it's hitting it's hitting you you know and so to be able to go in and out and to go back and forth and to go left and right and any of that is like happening inside almost this dark room it's right here it's right here oh the you know the black it's just just the screen itself yeah before it gets modulated yeah so yeah just like that so the very self we all have the same pure bare empty nothingness right and then the awareness itself is like oh look at atlas's oh at least atlas i got something that's going to blow your mind what happens so we ask the question ask the question first then we'll go to brendan ask the question okay cool so what happens to me is i got to the feeling of just awareness right i've gotten there and then i'm like oh this is crazy you know this is like i'm nothing type shit i guess um but then it's like the mind kicks in it's like right what is awareness what is you know i've also had the feeling of everything being awareness and then i start questioning okay how come a tree doesn't think it's like i do or what not i started thinking these crazy thoughts and then it brings me back you know and there's i guess it's the thought of back as well you know so that little thought just keeps putting me back in man i don't know you're an investment almost that it feels done it feels so done can i see something can i see something wait wait need is going to respond oh yeah i feel like the way that me and you respond to this situation of life is very very similar in the way where i'm an investigator too and the threshold that broke me between absorption not absorption was just in the the deep state of meditation i am awareness realizing my body is the subject for my mind and my mind is the subject for my body and neither of them can be found in either realm so as you realize like christian murdy said the observer is the observed the spiral titans and through that investigative technique it can break through the threshold which atlas is talking about on the other side of just reminding yourself of i am i am i am man interest you can talk about that more godship but i feel like that's a technique that would be useful for you man it is that's a good one man hold the talking stick wait can i say one more thing of course of course ben let me go first yeah because we're hitting we're hitting rome's point and to help along yeah and this is also just like a lot of it's like you know it is it is it is literally like the infinity sign you know it is because like like he's saying like the body mind that duality for me for me that's i think what hit it the most and i noticed it like because i growing up i used to dance a lot and even right now like i'm doing kines but i'm noticing like okay body work and like walking on grass or breathing and like spending time in the sun and these kinds of things like and just noticing the difference between you know if i can see the sun on my eyelids how does that affect my my whatever my mind and then and then where do my eyes go after that you know because of this happening where do my eyes go after that and so it's like you know is it because of the sun being on my eyelids that i looked in that direction you know is it because of somebody in here who who wanted to look there and and by doing this you know it's it is inquiry at the same time but you're investigating like nate said it's like investigating moment by moment all the time when you just have some time you're just chilling and you're like you know who's running the ship and from where yeah no none of us have experienced the aha moment yeah because no one can experience it because it's atribulous so so we're in the same boat right i feel like i know all of that logically you know like logically i know that you you see it you see it i felt it before it should be but it's just that and now that's where i'm at it's like i'm trying to erase all logic and then kind of like you guys said abide by it or abide in it dude that's what i'm saying logic is not separate from it like logic is just another you know it's a tool that you can pick up and put down in accordance with everything else you know like i'm using words like accordance and i and i'm saying you know and you can think of the music the musical instrument accordion and we're talking about logic you you recognize you know you recognize like these kinds of things these kinds of ideas about a left brain right brain a masculine feminine these things aren't you know it's not it was never like a dance art uh it's because of recognizing that fluidity but also the structure but also the chaos but also the orderliness and it's it's it's in seeing that all the time you know recognizing like when you fall even that's choreographed and and it's choreographed because you'll contract it's when you when you fall you'll notice the contraction and you'll recognize like oh my gosh i i became so tight and so small you're not falling anywhere yeah exactly and and if anything if as soon as you fall just let it go it's gone um can i can i yeah go right now yes so remember you had the phone right and what were you saying speaking on the phone the the black screen yeah the very nothingness that then the awareness is experiencing the very first that's why you have a different phone screen background each one of us does right so that's the this is the very nothingness and the very first there it is yeah i don't know see there you go look at all these different backgrounds right and you can mod you there's infinite possibilities for modulation right so you can this one yep um okay yeah so on that topic check this out look in sarah's body's hand wait let me put you on the main screen hold on all right where do you want us to look on the hand across song oh no that's an or a boros right here right here what is that you see that is that a phone yes oh my gosh what what dude that's awesome dude that's insane dude this is what i mean man this is what i mean by breaking boundaries dude why does sarah's what they need a phone sarah's what he likes to phone her homies but man even that even calling others is a plagiarization of telepathy that's about all the technology is plagiarization even the thought call somebody is telepathy AI is the technological copy of awakened we are moving towards a clear bias right go for it how do we name you okay so sounds don't go this this is always trimming others has nothing to do with but sounds so my vocal cords are creating a frequency vibration coming out and somebody outside of my car can't hear me in time space they're literally two feet away and they won't hear me but you guys are on other sides of the whole entire universe and my vibration from my vocal cords in this place is space time is going into you guys ears and you guys are giving it how the fuck isn't that like some fucking where we created this shit isn't enlightened you know is it fucking how how's this all happening we created this one the first but there goes my mind i'm just like fuck yeah yeah and you just cannot find the beginning that's also one of the things is like where is the beginning where does it begin beginning less beginning less endless yeah that question that question is an easy one to get stuck on it happened for me for a couple months and then you let go of it and then you're like oh my god that was so easy it's just you can't because you can always ask that question any moment you know like think of it this way like you find yourself in a situation that's shitty and you're like fuck man i'm just having a horrible day you can ask yourself when did you forget when will it end who is having a horrible day there you go that's that's really the last question is the best question is who am i or what is i and if you ask that question repeatedly to yourself that's like the osho said it was the most revolutionary and in reference to the now who now and then it creates that oh that's good yeah who am i in this now yeah and and then you see the whole field my screen my bottle it's all reflecting myself back to me there's a question for each of us and it is how can we be present to our loved ones uh how do you answer that that's a beautiful question yeah it's just already perfection so just be present with them and for whatever they share because if you're empty bliss you're a mirror and so what's happening is they're gonna say something and then what you do is you just hold that beautiful love light sun enlightenment energy and then what you do is you just respect it's and then it's just the ineffable and it's just flows right out of emptiness is the love and the compassion and the peace but then if you you know the whole thing with this is a really interesting balancing thing is if you become too martydom or overzealous with love what happens is you learn through the sledgehammer of suffering how to create distance with wisdom there's so many people like when it said how do I you know love my family or how do I love my friends or how do I how how do I weave tantra my realizations awaken realizations is that you learn how to be wise as well which is hey maybe you maybe you stop pursuing what is no longer in your north star trajectory if this is a lower trajectory you drop that trajectory then you only pick up the phone when you feel like it's more around either service or for more awakened people or whatnot so if somebody's still in a more egoic tendency that's always trying to project and always has a need or lack or whatever don't pick up don't meet with them drop the connections yeah that's it can I go next can I go on this really good Jim so at least at least you were talking about meeting people just being on a blister walk and telling them like isn't being just beautiful and that's the space you want to hold for everybody because in that space you realize that there we are all in it we're all just marinating in fucking source and it's not like being overzealous with love is thinking that some others are separate and you're trying to bring them to the flock and you're trying to be a shepherd for them that's the Jesus syndrome you just you're it and I recognize you as it and it's just the simplest being is the simplest thing everybody has it everybody and that's when you become everyone's friend that's why that's why loving kindness and compassion and and karuna and mudita yeah yeah that's it's in you hold it for everything every sensation you can hold it in the palm of loving kindness or in the palm of mudita that sound even an energetic jerk could be held in in that and as soon as you hold it in that as soon as you let go of it you know you've let go of it in a way that could never harm neither you or not you or because you're not passing it on like that yeah you're just it's you you're you're allowing it to you yeah it's because of that gentle hand you're allowing it to dissolve into where it needs to go rather than to continue just you know and you're not trying to destroy it either that's why you don't attack the kleshas or the the that his mind this is you work with it yes you don't attack it you work with it yeah it's all remarkable you can you can refine it because it's part of being human dude the the you could be able to use wild horses you you don't like let them run wild but you tame them and you don't beat them but you love them and tame them and you ride them yeah ride them you lose the constant seeking because i realized that the other day too um just kind of being mindful um that the mind is just constantly seeking seeking seeking never ends it just seeks and seeks and seeks and it just needs to it's like it needs something to like airy of some sort and i kind of separated from that as well and i realized i was so stupid too and but then i guess i'm in a place that i'm trying that you said trying to beat the horse i'm trying to beat the ego beat the mind uh separate from it and it's the complete opposite what i'm supposed to be doing love it over time okay what i've noticed is that even though the more restless seeking impulse dissipates then there's a very calm and loving refining impulse so it's almost like why do we have this conversation because we're all refining each other and we're sharing in serviced others as well and so it's more about okay well even if you get it they're still as we said also an abiding and purifying process you can begin sort of very subtly detecting when you're coming from your egoic conditioning versus when you're coming from God's love light and so when you're sourceful when you're coming from source you can feel it it's a different resonance than when you come from a layer of lack or need or validation that type of stuff so there's a there's a constant refining process that also happens purifying you know to me can you pull up that link oh in the chat right now i hear the word um guys do you guys ever feel like very very very old old and young at the same time yeah it's the point because it related to a roman stuff it's because when you are as older than the buddha so what was the last quote when you're as old as the buddha that's just amazing yeah it's because i think that's like the original face because that's young and infinite at the same time it's because it's always renewed moment to moment yo but it has been renewing for infinity so it's and new have any of you guys seen um uh bubba g yet who bubba g who who like an owl bubba g bubba g yeah which bubba wow bubba g yeah yeah this was the uh yoga nanda's lineage yes have you just joined it oh oh looks like we just joined it oh guys no looks like we're part of mahab with bubba g's lineage now yes yes yeah you can have that kind of wisdom and just did you guys did you guys like uh see this dude we're seeing him we're seeing him dude he found us yo bubba g found us yo what's that quote when the right time the teacher comes and now and then the teacher leaves and this is getting a bit when the student is ready the master appears and when the student is truly ready the master disappears yo you and bubba g disappears and as soon as he said that bubba g disappeared we blew him out I think I think Riley was the was the was the master here I think he was the one who was you think what I think Riley was the master I didn't understand that what okay hold on we have a question from the audience all right so we've been explaining this in many different ways but just very simply put take an object like a pen look at the object realize that you're looking at an object what we call an object and what we say in physical as an object and then work your perception backwards work your perception backwards to become more and more aware of awareness itself and become more and more aware of the very source of your awareness itself just go to the big bang go to the very big bang disappear into the big bang just take it very simply also from a scientific perspective just disappear into the big bang think about the play of light on your very retina think about the very end point the very starting point think about how everything comes out of nothingness and goes back to nothingness and if you want to take it even further if you want to if you just want to drag the investigation and the visualization just to the edge to see that your eyeball is like the earth with its stratosphere just reflecting UV rays off of it right just the very fact that you could even see that in your own eyeball is more than enough to recognize that it's not gonna sources check out that quote i'm posting it right now it's a really good one it's it's uh one of them i think also came from um this was in france of same frances and cc yeah yeah the one you are looking for is the one who is looking become more and more aware that you are looking for awareness the nature of awareness is peace and joy and you're trying to extract it by getting an object once i get that new upgraded phone then i'll be happy no no no the nature of your awareness itself is peace and happiness so there's a very big difference between needing to extract from the world and that's where suffering happens just again become aware of c become aware of observation of witnessing become aware of the sock might actually be well we'll talk about that on our on our show together but take that outward that outwardness of the sock and go like this like this i'm curious what brennan has to say because if he lit up on that question you know today i was uh i was leaving the front seat of my car and my um and as i was leaving um i left the car and then i just said to my mom oh and i i didn't know like i just lost you know where that where the car was above me and so i just knew where my body was and i kind of just sucked myself out of it and i just remember telling my mom that was literally like pulling the sock off yep or you know when you enter a room or you jump into something or try doing a front roll just do a front roll you just get on the grass and just do a front roll and you'll see like whoa dude that's it do a front roll answering the question still how to get to the source for me is for me it's always been the realization of no separation because we see space which is air as separation like there is air between me and the laptop there's air between me and atlas but in a way infinite body are connected by the air because whatever i breathe ends up in all of your lungs and that spirit that lives in us all and it's the same thing but it's nourishing different things different growths so that's how we are inseparable through nature and also a great visualization for me is go back into the energy from which you were created there you go go back into the moment where you were created when you were conceived go back into the love that created you that still lives as you go into the love of your mother and father and basket i think the moment you fall asleep just the very edge of when you just that and when you just just see the spring of waking up whether that be in a dream or whether that be in here wherever that may be recognizing that over and over again and just simply having the intention to notice that is falling asleep is a great technique to recognize source maintaining awareness well falling asleep yeah and you learn how to concentrate better too i think because you you can in a sense learn to like put to sleep everything else other than what you need to be awake and in doing that single point of this is so much easier resonating at the self-existent luminosity infusing of the threshold point in between wake and sleep once we recognize that threshold we can zoom in to the impermanence of every rising phenomenon down to you immediacy my boys are really hitting some moves right now everybody watching right now become a part of the world become the panther that we are join the ocean elmo brings up a good point is viewers homies if you guys want join us release the contracted energy through movement movement is medicine to me movement is the moment you recognize it's not even the moment man it's just every time just just every movement every action every intention just leaves a little trace in your body everywhere all the time and so just seeing that and recognizing it and allowing it to do its little dance around your spine and around your neck and around your shoulder your trap and you know all the way down all the way up it's yoga i love this elmo looks like a kid uh in a in a bulb it that would be like swimming in there like yeah i remember this one time i was playing pool and i was just thinking what if inside inside each of these pool balls is is a whole dimension onto itself with its own world system and ecosystem and planets and beings and what if they're all cheering on this game right now as we're playing this game of pool basically bro yeah every cell is a portal in its own hey let's answer this yeah quick question from the audience so i love that question yeah so first of all everything's already ineffably perfect and so we've become addicted to in a sense our conditioning and our egoic twists and distortions and nonsense and so because of that we invented this word called spirituality which is realigning ourselves away from the egoic distortions towards what is source coming from source coming from nothingness and everythingness and pure service as you see everything as god's love light interacting with itself so you don't try and extract peace and happiness from the world but you bring it to all experiences you decondition and deprogram yourself from your onion layers so we invented it as a concept as a word to to record yeah go ahead go ahead the the earlier question completely cascades into this question how to recognize source because what's the point completely aims at where the phase space of the paradox kisses what is the point that the no self which we talk about every display can only be characterized by the attributes of it and so the pointlessness of it is the the point so regardless if you're a self inquiry person or if you're in the stock exchange trying to actualize the most that you are you're either gonna play the game until you're gonna lose right or and spin back or you're gonna play the game until you're gonna win and spin back and um so the point is the pointlessness there is no point so we don't need to justify it because you can't justify it because justifying it is that's right no malevolence no suffering when people awaken and yeah that's a great way to put it sock man great way to put it what's the point bro i mean that's why depression really cascades into it so what's the point there's the effortlessness of it and freedom from the nihilism which is yeah yeah yeah yeah philosophical step when you've gone through all uh all of the other like viewpoints they're like none of these shit matters and then it's not only shit matters the queen bohemian rhapsody nothing really matters you want that anyone can see i got that i'm the dj yet i just want to say when you also come from source you realize that this is your anarchic creative fireworking so fucking love it yeah and your being matters you're being here now matters you matter everybody who's fucking listening you matter your body your feelings your heart that she matters have them have them go back to the source of their being have them go back to the source of their essence of their being being beating what is being beating right the source of their yeah the other is is never the others oh this is another great question yes the suffering of the apparent person matters which is why once you awaken buddha the awakened one you weave that together with atlas the one that takes the burden of becoming in pure service you do the bodhisattva instead of abiding constantly in nothingness what you do is you refocus physically to awaken to maximize prosperity and abundance because it's you that's suffering in another costume yeah it's always when you lighten others you lighten the load on yourself yeah and the body the bodhisattva takes the whole world and thus vows to liberate himself it's the way that he is harry it's it's that it's that it's that uh it's frank yanks 99.999 self that was liberated that decided to ask the rest of himself to liberate himself for the sake of everyone else but that's just one stick opposite end service to ultimate service to self is ultimately ultimate service to others and the same thing it's a loop because a stick is just a circle you can twist it but the best way to create polarity is to become in service to others and then that helps you balance out your purification and then it ends up being service to self in the end of things anyway versus when you start in service to self you don't do it from a pure perspective you're doing it from a very extraction I would say though like for anybody who has you know for me like I think my own realizations I had so many and each time I was just like man this just one and like so many times just waking up and if you don't have the compassion for yourself uh even whether you know the egoic identity is not an enemy ever and to think that it is is like just more ego games we use it for our awakening ego is our best tool for exactly what yeah all right I'm gonna wrap with this of course just relax everyone relax relax your perspective yes take those deep breaths relax your perspective and stop describing your experience and just relax into the very essence that you are the very fact that you are is a sign that you are worthy it's a sign that you are the source the inexhaustible well expressing itself as you as a firework of the infinite so just relax relax your perspective don't describe your experience and just breathe breathe into being for about a minute into the ineffable perfection that we already are so atlas we're just breathing right now your very existence right now is perfect falling complete love with yourself exactly as you are accept yourself accept your unique spark of the infinite realize you are the one infinite creator the very source infinite possibility you can't not be perfect so relax and surrender we love you so that's zen fans zero zero let me end it with some bell action perfect love you guys adore you