 Boom howdy fam Anthony dream John senior today president of the fucking man is fair and today We got episode 118 of the red med group going on destroying the victim hood mindset We got a new guest to the show today John Bulldog or John Sonmez from Bulldog mindset. I call him John Bulldog. It's badass name Mostly be joined today by Noah Revoy and Steve the Dean Williams returning panels to the show many times over One by one Noah Revoy boom John Sonmez aka the Bulldog and Steve the motherfucking Dean Williams Like that's going boys Good to see you guys man. We've done a group show like this in a while I'm doing these one-on-ones with these these characters like Jesse Lee Peterson and All kinds of AMS all kinds of coach Greg Adams. It's been a fun time man. Yeah, you've been really putting out some gold Thanks, man. Yeah, it's been a wild year And I just hunt down because we did the group show for so long and I figure I got changed up for a few months Do something a little different, you know experiment. It's been fun man, especially with Jesse Lee man I was sad to ask him all those fucked up questions Do you love do you love white people? I love white people. Why do you love white people? Just like going I can't wait to meet that guy. I'm excited anyway with today's episode guys, I want to focus on the victim hood mindset and Destroying it and how you guys each plug into that You should have your own thing that I think relates pretty strongly to that No, you have a huge a focus on agency and I want to ask you about that in a minute with the difference between that and responsibility as Self-responsibility obviously Steve you got the man mindset and then John's got the bulldog mindset Which I'm learning about actually from Steve when Steve interviewed John on his channel like a week ago or something like that Yeah So first things first victim hood mindset. How does that affect? Well, what is that each of you? Does each of you I think have a definition for that? Can each of you kind of you know give your in 30 seconds feel like what that is and like why it's negative for men to have a victim Lit mindset, I know it's important to each of you No, you know Yeah, no, I think that with having the right mindset is important because what is in your mind is What ends up being projected out into the world? That's why we can judge a lot about a person by what they choose to appear like in the world And then we can easily classify people You probably have everyone's seen this by watching the recent riots and you don't need to be told that's antifa And this one is say, you know the proud boys or whatever you can just tell by looking at them There is a certain Physiognomy and a certain way of dressing and appearing they're projecting who they are inside what's in their their heart and their mind Outward so getting that right mindset is going to change everything in your life It's going to project it out into the world the man that you want to be yeah John you want to take a next victimhood mindset What does it mean to you and why is it such a negative toxic thing to have or is it good? Yeah, sure So so I call the victim mindset any any time that you blame Someone else or circumstance or anything else for something that happens in your life, right? So, you know the victim minds that basically wants to say that it's not my fault, right? Whereas as a man you need to take on the mantle of your life and decide that whatever happens in your life it is your fault it is your responsibility because The problem is that no one's going to come to save you no one's coming to help you No one no one cares at the end of the day No one really actually cares only you care about your life and the things you want in your life And so the victim mindset is is basically saying that it's not my fault You know it's giving an excuse and sometimes you're a legitimate victim But you can still have the victim mindset because you you allow that that victimhood to to define you Right, but you know to reject that and say hey, it doesn't matter whatever happens in my life I am responsible. I'm taking charge of it. You know, I'm not going to complain about anything That's that's really what I'm after with Bulldog minds is that basically the opposite of this this victim Mindset that so many people have and even when they have legitimate excuses. It's still victim mindset I heard you say that to this exact that that last part there, but even if it's a legitimate thing I mean we'll get into that later. It's a specific question. I want to go through with you guys, but corona obviously has been this I don't think it's very legitimate pandemic But in terms of government response, it's been a fucking nightmare, right and every level from economic stuff collapsing all his debt Businesses closing down people get unemployed. There's legitimate fucking serious problems going on But even then in that context you're saying John if I understand you right that it still doesn't really matter because A it's a bit it's a better attitude to get rid of that That's something we're positive and be no fucking cares at the end of the day Maybe if you're young and you have parents other than that, don't give a fuck like so it's yeah, is that an understanding you're right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, there's no yeah It doesn't help you in any way to to dwell on the fact that something has bad has happened to you There's no benefit from it. The only thing to do is to ignore it and move on, you know Yeah, savage man savage. We'll get more to it Steve talking about the victim mindset and has her relates to the man mindset Are they opposed are they friends? What's going on with that? They're the worst enemies man. It's hot. It's two sides of the spectrum It's the it's though the greatest fight and battle that we're going with because these young boys are getting Doctrinated from it both ways, you know men like us on a panel We we have a huge fight because a lot of these boys They get it from mommy because of no accountability and things like that But they also get it from certain kind of men. It's not not just the women is Starting to become the men that are uploading the victim mentality more than mom or reinforcing With mom is already put in place with these young boys like the soy boys that knows talking about the dress all weird and green hair and shit And look like it's losers sketchy scrawny pencil neck losers. Yeah That's a way to manipulate and control people if anyone is pushing the victim mindset on you they're running a scam Yeah, like that's that's actually a really good point. I've been studying a lot of traumas here Developmental trauma and things relate to CPTSD like Richard Grannon talks about and that's a really good way to put it that a lot of What appeared to be weak victim people? It's a manipulation and specifically it's a codependency manipulation And it's actually like a form of aggression almost, but it's very Almost inverted in a way. Would you agree with that or do you have any some thoughts on that you speak? Yeah, like generally if you think about men are physical super predators So masculine men with if they resort to violence, it's physical violence But women and effeminate men they are psychological super predators and they don't resort to violence. They use Psychological attacks against people and that's what they manipulate them. Can we just clarify this that women are psychological super predators? Yes Absolutely, and you know, it's it's partly built right into them Genetically as a defense mechanism, they don't have the physical strength to protect themselves The problem is is when it's allowed just like male aggression is It's male violence can be wonderful be used to protect your people can be used to defend yourself against wild animals or You know tame America wasn't tamed by passive weak men America was tamed by tough guys who went out there and literally bent nature to their will But it can also be destructive When it's let off the loose when it has no control and when it's used against innocent people the same with Women's super predator powers. They can be very very useful for their own defense They can be useful since women don't have physical power in the world the same way that we do They can get some power that way but if it's let off the loose if it's allowed to not have any boundaries it is probably more destructive than Male violence and behind most male violence you will find a woman egging that man on You'll see this on almost every YouTube video of a fight starting There's someone woman in the back going hit him hit him hit him Hang on. There's there's even that is so true that stand-up comedians I think I've seen Dave Dave Chappelle and Bill Burr They joke about this and people start cracking up and they're like you're laughing because it's fucking true That and then that doesn't mean it's okay But it means that there's there's cause and effect and then you're right that the YouTube videos where you see women trying to provoke men To fight in public. It's like dude. Yeah, well, so that's what we're talking here now about men and women So this is a really good point or tangent we should go on What is the difference between a victimhood mindset for men versus women and for example? Maybe feminism is a way we can look at men versus like not to beat up on McTow I'm not saying this is my opinion But like maybe I know John for example some criticisms on McTow And then maybe some of it's kind of victim pushing or mindset pushing some men versus women versus victimhood mindset How does it affect them and like how is it how's it negatively affecting them specifically? Want to go through the table again Yeah, there's there's a lot of them mirror effect to how men and women see themselves as victims And you'll often hear you know I will put something up about men taking responsibility and taking leadership And I'll have feminists make almost the exact same counter argument to that as some of The radical McTow guys they'll be like, oh, that's not fair to men because men It's so hard for men to to do that and then the feminist will say that's not fair to women because it limits their choice And it's it's the it's a very much a mirror of the other Almost always a victim mindset is about saying I have no power and no control and therefore I'm not responsible for anything and you will see that with women saying well There's a patriarchy and therefore women don't have power in the world men are responsible for everything And then when it comes to every good thing in the world well women did that Apparently you have no power, but you also are responsible for every good thing that happens I think you're lacking so much patriarchy. I love that hat man For the convention smash the matriarchy, so we got that I've had men tell me that patriarchy is oppressive to men because it requires them to step up and take Responsibility for themselves and others. Yeah, you know, it's exact same message as the feminist Yeah, it sounds like the victim with lazy-ass bullshit Yeah, John, do you have thoughts on this how feminine or excuse me how the victim and mindset affects many women differently? Very yeah, feminism mcTown could be an example. Maybe yeah, it's interesting because like it's it's kind of funny because you know I definitely say some things against mcTown guys and it's not because I don't like the guys and that I don't care for him It's it's because I don't care for their their mindset, which is the victim mindset Which I see as a as a mirror to feminism right because feminists what do they say they say? Oh, well, I'm being oppressed by men. It's a patriarchy. It's men's fault It's men's problem that we have all these problems in the world today, right? And they blame their circumstances on men But then you have a lot of mcTown guys not all but a lot of mcTown guys that do the same thing They say oh, it's women's fault and then they and then they do the same thing that women do in the sense That they dehumanize people right and see this is the thing that I'm really interested because if you're going to commit acts of Violence against a person you have to dehumanize them first and that's where like the names like thoughts and And you know that you know and all that stuff like like really talking derogatory towards women It comes from it again. It's not like I'm white knighting here I'm just saying that like when you when you do that What you're doing is you're channeling all of your Responsibility like the things that you should be taking charge in your life to someone else's plate and saying it's not my fault And then here's the problem with it Because it's okay like in the sense of like being angry and whatnot, you know I think anger is a feminine emotion, but you know We don't we don't have to debate that but but I'll tell you this the problem with with all of this right having this victim mindset and blaming on someone else is that it prevents you from doing something to change your life, right? So the reason why you know, I really rail against a lot of the mcTown guys It's not because I hate him It's actually because I love him and I'll tell you why is because I want to see them actually have success I want to see them get what they want out of life and you know When they blame everything on women and they say that there's no way they're there There's no hope right then they're they're basically cutting off all of the options that they have all of the paths that they could Be taking they're like embracing embracing despair Exactly. Yeah, and it's just and it's just you know, it puts them in a bad place Whereas if you don't if you say, you know what no one can stop me. I'm never a victim I don't care what you do to me. I will never allow myself to be called a victim In fact, there's a really good book by Victor Frankl called man search for meaning everyone should read that book because it's completely about About victim hood about, you know releasing and that's a guy who survived concentration camps, right? Nazi Germany exactly exactly and and and he never allowed himself to be called a victim Right. He because because he said that he has that choice, right? And so when when guys do that and when women do that and they they accept that victim hood They're basically accepting their fate. They're they're they're not They're not allowing themselves to get out of their situation and change their situation So so that's why victim hood is so bad and that's why you know, like I said It affects men and women equally and it just puts you in a spot where you know, you just brood You just brood you just bitter and angry and and you're not actually making any progress in your life Right so now before we move on to Steve question here So these are these are some elements you've seen in the mixtape thing You made you made it clear to you said it was not all I would agree the mixtape thing I've warmed up to over the years the community it's a big group of dudes and there does seem to be a mixture of different Intensities of it and positivity and retards shit and this this seems to be a universal mass every little community Pick up artists the men's rights. There's like variations of Legit to just full full retard My question though John is do you see any of that same what you view is on the healthy unhealthy mindset from understanding You're right. Do you see that in the red pill portion of the community too? There's our own this is out there, too I think it's kind of interesting because we are having a little bit of a side discussion about romantic love, right? Yeah, and I think it's such a bad rap in the red pill community because there's this real emphasis on it's maybe not as much On hating women as as Mctown, but there's still this emphasis of pump and dump which which again It's fine like that you want to do but But you know, I think a lot of a lot of red pill guys right now are really seeing it as There's they're looking at things in a one-dimensional viewpoint, right? And they're saying okay instead of taking a red pill knowledge and saying okay, this is how women operate This is the nature of women, you know I can I can appreciate that like I appreciate a tiger and I don't stick my arm in the cage a tiger cage Right, they're using this to say okay. Well, you know, I can't have any real association with women any kind of deep connection and And they're just good for pump and dump and that's that's the wrong place to go as well right because as human beings we're built for connection and If we try to forsake that and we say okay Well, we're just gonna use women for for sex and we understand the nature and you know, and it's still a lot complaining, right? I'm still hearing a lot complaining Instead of actually taking action and so I think there's a little bit of toxicity there in the sense that like it's bitter Anytime you have bitterness, right anytime you have anger like there's a problem. You got a problem internally, right? Jack Donovan is a good word for he calls it resentment or something like that. I think that's kind of really good I think it's it's directly addressed to stuff like this that that combination of bitterness and saltiness But it's like it's kind of legit. There's a lot of shit to bitch about today, right? But you can't bitch about more than ever in a sense. It's not in some ways I mean life uses in some ways we live in the best world ever, right in terms of time in human history Another in other ways it's like this Orwellian fucking mask of Blade Runner bullshit going on with massive amounts of debt and feminist dogma the matriarchy and it's like Yeah, what a wild time to be a live man. I mean 2020 into this whole century, too Let's move on to Steve Steve talking about the victimhood mindset and the man with the man mindset and how it affects men and women differently Or the same or whatever you've been in that is. Well, yeah First I wanted to say on the metal thing. I don't hate metals I just hate that what they're doing the young boys What I hate the most is how they're making their life They're trying to say my life is your life and that's not true It just because you wasn't a man and your woman pulled your punk card and treated you like a bitch You want to get all mad at women? But you also want to you want to go towards young boys who are trying to learn and navigate their lives as Men that's where I have the problem with them because they have they they got this this mindset that you know what it's gonna It's gonna like scare you scare tactics. I'm a you know, it's gonna happen to you You know if an alien got treated wrong on Mars, you know a be careful. It's gonna happen to you type bullshit That's where I have the problem where people try to indoctrinate young kids like a coat and stuff by using The umbrella of red pill or the umbrella, you know, I'm trying to help you be a better man and things like that It's a Trojan horse for their own bullshit. Sometimes. Yeah Yeah, it can be a method to learn or it can be a Trojan horse of disability and bitterness, right? A lot of a lot of these young boys just don't understand sexuality like like Bulldog was saying Sexuality is that you need to evolve into as you leave high school because the women are Evolving sexually and us men were not men those those young men They don't have a navigating compass because there's no dad around to show him how to navigate his life Oh, no, they have a dick that ends up being the navigating compass Yeah, well, yeah, they get they get very frustrated get very frustrated they get mad they get angry and then you got the Reinforcement of you know, I won't I'll just say hope her to me We got you got you got things Where I heard that before that's a good one. Let's not lock that in hope her to me Yeah, because as a man and because of those that's Spiew that you got to be on your purpose hope her to me and like catchphrase words These individuals are the problem because they're not teaching manhood. They're just teaching a built-in Victim excuse that you can use when shit doesn't go your way But it's dressed up as like a methodology Exactly not looking at the peak for what the fuck it is. You're just looking at me So that's where the problem comes in that but see that's like that's like I feel like our justice league Versus their legion of doom because a lot of young men don't want to hear Hard work a lot of young men don't want to hear you've got a sacrifice and you're gonna get beat down They want to hear the well. It's not your fault. It's her fault. It's the it's the lion's fault It's a smart fault. It's big foot fault and all this other shit that they come up with that They keep spewing at these young boys. So I gotta say for me over the years Steve on this issue For example, my last relationship blew up with the hooker and almost bullshit Yeah, you know, there was a lot to blame with her that stuff legitimately like factually This was just nuttery, but it did take a long time So I have sympathy for some of these guys because it takes time to process and digest Some of these guys don't they get constipated basically like emotionally and they just get stuck and definitely on this shit Yeah, I was just saying I have sympathy the reason like like John was saying and no We we love these young boys and that's why it is it we got to be tougher on them Because we've got to we're fighting a fight. We are as men have the media Advertisers because you see what's going on. We was going with you a one Advertisers you have women, of course, and then you've got what you call the smiths You got other men Reinforcing like they're getting paid from the media and women to Indoctrinate declaw and defring these boys. It's just it's weird man Yeah, sucks man. Yeah, these guys never had fathers a lot of them And if they did their father was a weak man himself and so he had nothing to teach them and for a lot of them You know, we're offering that opportunity to see a masculine example that they wouldn't get anywhere else You know 20 years ago. That wasn't possible. They didn't have that there were there were books They could read but who's gonna tell them about these books who's who's gonna make this available to them? We're actually have the potential to change the direction of how young men develop You know, I think the young guys now that are 18 to 21 They're gonna blow past most of the 20-year-old the currently 20-year-old pack because There's they're they're not gonna have to unlearn all of the stupid stuff that they've been taught They're coming right out of it with a distrust for the media with a distrust for the system And they're looking for the truth and they're very skeptical And that's why we have to keep on target and we have to keep repeating it and we have to be tough because we have to be The the masculine figure for tens of thousands hundreds of thousands I think it's and that's a big millions I mean the minister in total has a couple million guys in it and if you add up all the channels Some of them are a little more distant like I found my only name before I got nuked and Ellie Hulse There's a couple million fans and stuff But even in total if you just count some of the subreddit still in the communities and the major channels It's couple million dudes and even beyond that they all have friends obviously that they talk to and this information spreads through word of mouth and Example and all that and yeah, I think the minister really the whole community is by in terms of it being a body of knowledge It keeps growing and growing and growing more content more books more media It's it's helping undo all the fatherlessness. You're right. That's huge man. It's like the antifa and the BLM crap I think all these like fatherless boys that they just go nuts men because they don't know how to they don't know how to control their emotions They don't know how to you know have a positive mindset to be proactive and productive towards life as a man as a strong as a strong man That's some beta bitch so boy Yeah, it's I'm really proud. I'm really to see the man is for grow after all these decades slowly from you know The you know all all fast seduction the 90s and these was it use net and shit. I didn't I use that shit I mean, so that's so John probably knows shit better than I do Yeah, but it's say it's really it's so inspiring to see it keep growing You know and then hit the media and the media gets pissed off makes it grow even more and it's such a fun shit So to keep watching it I'll just grow and piss everybody off and but everybody gets better too, right? I think all the communities even we're talking about make time criticizing a little bit I think you know some is criticisms ill legitimate But I also really like the big time community think more of a time because I think they're doing a good job and a few Key things such as keeping men out of danger and out of harm's way divorce for it down the court, you know divorce rape Manipulative, you know psychopath women shit like that So it's there's some positives to it and they do a good job of that a lot better than the Disney Channel or Disney Plus or whatever it's called now Yeah Yeah, I think for for make time Okay, it can be a strategy for men who know that for one reason or another They're not good enough yet to date a wall that's worth dating and they can say okay Like I'm not gonna think too much about women I'm gonna focus on my mission and that's you know a year or two of that and they should be at a high level if they're really Busting their ass they should be at a high level and then go back to to look for women again That can make sense, you know, they're the problem with a lot of these strategies Is there applied at the wrong time in the wrong way by the wrong kind of people for the wrong reasons? It's not the strategy itself. It's a problem. It's how it's being applied. Yeah, and yeah You know for a lot of young men, they're just not going to get enough by watching videos and reading books They need to have mentors in their life I'm really for men of all ages is to have mentors have older men around that you can talk to that's Historically how wisdom is passed on was generation to generation men telling their sons men telling their apprentices whatever, you know different relationships we had in society and We kind of lost that you know generations don't talk to each other like they used to and I think it's important We start to return to that. Yeah. Well, I mean in a way I don't think I was aware of this but to me it's become more obvious as I got no as I've gotten older But I've used in a very high-level way a great high-profile way because of video production all that I've used 20 convention speakers in a very personal way No, when you guys get to know you as in terms of speaking at the convention this talking you learning from you guys as a surrogate kind of male Mentors over time Socrates would be a particularly notable one because I've known him for a super long time And he always lives pretty close to me either in Orlando or a couple hours away if I live nearby But he's been really helpful in developing as a man over the years in a way that my father's completely failed at Just total cluster fuck, you know, just shit show But but the same can be said to a lesser extent is still significant for everyone else You get to know you guys see you operate every time the speeches you give the ideas you have I agree with some things disagree with others. I can go to you guys for advice Especially the longer I know you Socrates again is a good one, but even guys like Hunter drew a tanner and stuff So it's some pretty wobbly. I'm so proud to have you guys in my life But then it was also, you know by filming you guys give speeches that same kind of relationship Digitally anyway and then spread out to millions and millions of guys We're about to have another speech now break two million in a couple days here on the channel So it's like boom. There you go two million men I'll go ahead John. I just say one thing I was gonna say about you know, MGTOW as well as I think that should be really the Default for all men like we should all be going our own way like it shouldn't even necessarily need to be called out Right, it's because all men should be going their all way on their own purpose It doesn't mean that you're completely excluding women for your life It just means that the main thing in your life is you what you're doing as a man, right? You're going your way that and really to be truly a man I think that the the heart of masculinity is having your value system and Your mission in life be number one not looking at the judgment of others Not looking for the validation from women not looking from validation from other men But looking at yourself as the key person who determines what is good and bad in your life And to me, that's what going your own way is, right? So it's kind of interesting, you know, when we we talk about like MGTOW and stuff Whereas, you know by default I'm a MGTOW in the but not not with the label You know what I'm saying like I've been going my own way and I advocate for every man to go his own way That's what we should all be doing as men and that's what makes us men is that we we choose our own path, right? A man that doesn't choose his own path is not really a man. Yeah. Well John, let's pause in you actually This is a good segue. I wanted to take the view if and when we do the larger one-on-one interview So you have the bulldog mindset that's driving everything you just said But what inspired specifically the bulldog mindset because this sounds for example, we've been talking privately This sounds maybe related to objectivism or rational self-interest Alice shrugged has Nathaniel Brandon and on Rand. Have they inspired your thoughts on this and speak to that? Definitely on ran did I when I read Alice shrug that was sort of a eye-opening experience to me And and I realized that you know and just in my own life I kind of realized that That you have to be selfish, right and it seems like a weird thing, but you can't give what you don't have, right? And if yourself is if your motives in life are putting yourself first in life Not only are you gonna be more successful with women, right? Because this is like the thing that guys always debate between the nice guy in the in the asshole The asshole is is successful because he puts himself first not her first It has nothing to do with being the asshole, right? But here's the thing that again the guy repeat the asshole part the asshole puts himself first if that's her second Yeah, the asshole is successful with women because he puts himself first He doesn't know the woman first but but but the interesting thing about this to you about about being selfish is that? What happens when you're selfish right when you put yourself first is because you like I said you can't give what you don't have So when you are are taking care you're doing things out of your own volition, right? Not out of obligation not a sense of validation Then if I am putting myself first and then I do something for you Anthony, it's true. It's authentic It's genuine right like I give a good example Steve here, right Steve, you know he puts himself first I know he does and and but yet what does he say as soon as he meets me? He's like dude, I'm gonna pick you up at the airport You know, I'm gonna take you out to dinner like whatever you need It's on me and and you know what a lot of other guys might say that but Steve means it, right? Because he's putting himself first whereas if you're sacrificing if you're trying to put other people first if you're especially for a woman or Whatever it is you're doing things out of obligation. You're like, oh, I feel like I should do this Right you get a you get a gift for someone not because you actually want to get a gift But because it's their birthday and you should do it and so you have to do it So it's meaningless so in order to really have a meaningful life and to really be an authentic genuine dude You have to put yourself first and have that selfishness and when you do that Again, even in your action interactions with women, right? If you're putting yourself first and then you've got some girl and you make time for her It means you actually want to spend time for with her it doesn't mean that you're trying to get something, right? And so and people sense that right? They always know you know that person that's always trying to get something from you, right? Yeah, that might be nice that might be like doing kind things But they're trying to get something from you because they're because they're not putting themselves first But someone who puts themselves first you can trust everything that they do because it's authentic Yeah, and you can because you can see that the motivation basically because they are when it's genuine Yeah, it's powerful. It's attractive rather than repelling because I think the opposite of what you're saying here, John It's like it's it's very not only for women It's obvious it's repelling when you want something and they can feel it They hate it the vaginas drought because the Sahara desert but even even dudes. They hate it No one wants to be that around that guy who always like wants to get something from you. It's just gross It's slimy, but I want to make it. I want to make a comment here before we get Steven John I know you've done a lot of business and stuff over the year I'm still learning about your history and stuff But what comes to mind what came to mind for me talking about this is I put the videos out free to the world from 21 Convention specifically which are not cheap. They're really expensive to film We have all these film teams and camera crews and audio and lighting all this shit And it's basically premium content that unlike other conferences that would charge a DVD set back in the day Or now like a video set they publish a free to the world after 20 on University But I do that number one because it's what I want to do. It's selfish It does I'm aware that it helps all these guys and I like that but first and foremost I think it's number one It's gonna make the world a better place that I want to live in like I don't like living in a feminist nature key That pisses me off. So I'm gonna blow it up and destroy it peacefully, right? It's culturally and socially and for their free speech and stuff So it's an effective tool to do that and then also I think it's a way for my company to continue making a lot of wealth A lot of money it's publishing it for free and then on top of that it helps millions of men get educated and get better So for me, it's like I have to sync. It's a very selfish Synchronization in a way that for me makes a lot of sense philosophically and a lot of guys don't understand that I don't I'm not like a rep no Santa Claus or some bullshit like I'm doing this because I think it's gonna make my company money And it has been it's also gonna help a lot of men for free which is amazing I mean you can't beat zero in a way and then also it has the benefit of you know damaging feminism and educating men And women and making better relationships and also making fun of these people and shit sometimes Which is I think necessary for life for some of it Yeah Yeah, it's reciprocity You know at certain types of investments out into the world with the right kind of people will benefit you big part of the reason That I started was I was looking at you know I had a son and I thought what kind of women are gonna be around in 20 years from my son to Dayton Mary and If it's this bad now, it's gonna be worse in 20 years or we're gonna have a bump and it'll get better but it won't get better if men don't stand up and do something and I could do something and I thought man. I better get on this You know, I got 20 years 20 years to make the world sufficiently better than 20 years to make women great. It was Yeah, yeah, absolutely gonna make women great again all over the world But it is it is really a lot of what we do to make the world better because we have to live in this world Yes, so we we're not and this is part of the masculine way of doing things We don't complain we solve problems And we solve problems that are our problems the condition of the world is our problem Yeah, we're not we're not living on an island somewhere divorced of reality We live in this world. We want it to be a better world and the reality is that Civilization was created by men who said I don't want to live in the jungle anymore I want to make something nice to live in I want a nice place so that You know I can my wife and my kids safe and I want this kind of a world and we built the world For other people because it was good for us Yeah, because It was all give us opportunity. Well solving the problem. I was living in the dirt So Steve I know you had something you want to pop in there? That's how it is as a man. I'm uh, I'm a big-ass kid. I'm a big guy I got a bubblegum machine. I'm a big guy watch cartoons I can't eat cereal because I'm lactose intolerant, but I'm a big-ass kid And the thing is what makes me an asshole is the selfishness of loving me if I Would put a restraining order on my ass because I follow me around I stalk me. I worship me I Worship me and and the thing is that's what makes me a jerk in an asshole to a woman Because I can say no and I can walk away. I give no fucks and I take no fucks That's that is how it is, but it's the best life because I'm in control of me I Dictate and navigate my life on my compass of like I've always say a one my name That's my if you peel the layers of my little cake ass back the the foundation is my name That's what I protect the most. That's what means the most to me because that's something that not only as a man I I'm able to carry on through my sons. You know, I mean, but it's something that is dear Stay away from my daughter's a one I Know because I don't the reason I was talking about my daughters because one day they're gonna take the name of a man Yeah, so that's why I don't really bring mention them because we where we've already prepared them to be great wives To whoever's lucky enough to have them. So that's why I don't really bring the daughter's name up Her name is going to change to the man's name, but no, you're right brother Well, even genetically Steve, you know, your sons only are gonna carry your y chromosome forward into the future Your daughters don't do that. It's gonna carry your blood forward and your legacy But the sons get an extra boost. They get the y chromosome, you know, sir That's been hurtling like a missile through a million Yeah, I really like a lot of things you're saying I mean both you guys but no Man had a fucking way I wanted to approach that fuck. I know Steve Steve got me distracted now Steve It's Steve's daughter's Atlanta's daughters No, let's pause actually I did want to ask you in the future I think we should do an extended one-on-one interview about this But briefly can you talk to me about our case selection theory? This is huge for you I mean your website is literally smb4k.com Can you talk to me about our case selection theory in brief the brief introduction, but then does it happen? Is it have a relationship as well to self responsibility in the victim on mindset? Yeah, so our case selection theory what it is is selection of sexual Preferences so reproductive preferences for people and you have R and you have K so ours, you know think rabbit makes it easy to think it's the sexual selection of quantity over quality and then there are there is the case selection with is the choice of quality over quantity and This is originally comes from the biological world where you had animals like say rabbits or Fish that have thousands of babies fish have thousands of babies then on the other end you have animals like Wolves which will have very few cubs But they put a lot of investment into each one so they have a high survival rate Humans are the most case-selected species. We have very few offspring We take very good care of our offspring and they take a long time to mature But even amongst humans there's a spectrum So it's not that one person is K and one person is r-selected. It's that you're somewhere along that spectrum Most people just like the IQ spectrum are clustered in the middle most people are clustered in the middle of the RK spectrum and they show some preferences towards Behavior that would be considered are selected and some towards case-selected behavior now You're also saying that there's people on on the extreme end of the spectrum. Yes stream extreme R's and extreme kids Absolutely, and you know the other thing too is people often will say one is this one is good And this one is evil and we those those dichotomies don't really work because our in case election are designed for different environments When you have an environment of unlimited resources like we had post-Second World War The economy is booming. We have unlimited resources. You can have as much sex as you want You can have as much as many children as you want We got the sexual revolution. We got people indulging not just in sex But indulging in as much drugs as they could take as much food as they could take we we never had obesity as a Problem until post-Second World War What happened is people just said I do what a rabbit does Eat and fuck basically and that that became the general culture Whereas before that when life was much more difficult for example between the war years People they had to think very carefully before they had another kid. They had to have control of their habits They had to have control of their spending. They had to can have control of their You know, they had to think of it. There's no birth control. Can you really afford another kid? I'm gonna have to be careful when I have sex with my wife and you know Make sure it's not at the fertile time of the month and all this stuff So you had to have just a limit of limited babies, man. Yeah, no a limited babies is great As as a because we're trying to we have unlimited babies over a period of time because we have eternity The problem is is that people who aren't taking care of their children and we see this with the results now We you know, we see these riots How many of these people going to these riots burning their own neighborhoods down had good dads Auto zone didn't do nothing man. Auto zone didn't do nothing. Yeah they Hines to be ordered and structured by a father and Having a male in the house is not enough. They need it needs to be a mature man Who is masculine who has his mind ordered and the children literally learn to imitate the order in the mind of their father? They there is mirror neurons So when we're around someone we actually build structures in our brain that look like structures in their brain And when a young man is around his father Or a young woman as well. She's learning to structure herself She's learning or the son is learning as well to to think to be rational to have control of his emotions Control of his thoughts and actions. You know, a lot of people focus on action control Do what should you do or not do? But you'll never get to action control if you can't control your mind about what you think about What you don't think about and control your emotions. Yes, some degree of emotional control. Yeah Richard granted calls this emotional literacy, for example Absolutely, yes Yeah, and I called the process. I'm not I don't think I'm the only one that calls it this but I called the process of Taking care of your emotions emotional hygiene managing your emotions and I actually think that came from I read that from It's being used in the US military for people who have been under extreme stressful conditions They end up with a high emotional load So their emotional energy goes way up and now they have to learn to manage it to bleed off the excess emotions Emotions are kind of like a form of energy So we talk about, you know, if you have a steam engine You get work done by heating that up and that builds pressure and that drives an engine Life heats us up. It gives us this kind of emotional energy. We encounter people we get, you know Maybe we get some anger. We get some happiness. We get all of these different emotions together And they build up energy and we either are gonna do something productive with all that energy Or we're gonna let it build up until we explode. Yeah, and that's what we're seeing with these guys They were never taught how to take all of those Emotions and use them somewhere one of the tape brothers was saying recently that he thinks the reason he is so Successful is because he took his anger at being poor and turn that into money So he took that emotion he had and instead of making it feel sorry for himself. He used it to make money Yeah, and that's what men do. They take whatever energy they have whatever They're feeling about the world and they solve problems with it Yeah, and you know Richard Grannon and Sean Smith both the speakers and educators in this area I've learned for a lot from them and other psychologists in that area that I've really stopped viewing any Almost any emotion is negative because it's really I like what you're saying It's like energy and even if it's maybe not a pleasant emotion Obviously anger bitterness all this shit you can still maybe like you're saying with tape brothers take that energy that emotion Whatever the fuck it is and spin it like, you know alchemy or whatever the fuck you want to use as an algae But really spin it into real life and something positive and it's that it's a tricky thing to do That's why not everyone does it they have to really learn how to do that and make make the choice that deep bubble I think like you say no is it really act from the action Relaxing up from the heart. I think is what the saying is. Yeah We think about what we want to do with our mind But we don't act on any of that unless we have the emotional energy to do it You know, this is why you have these really smart people that are completely unsuccessful in your life they've probably met people like this absolutely genius and Why aren't you doing anything with it and what I usually get if I dig real deep? I find out that they don't love themselves. They have they don't have any positive emotions about themselves and about their lives and The reason and if I dig even deeper the reason they don't have that is because that's like a fire that gets lit under us Mostly by our father See when our mother says I love you we understand that's biological programming and she's Programmed to hold you up and go. I love you no matter how ugly and stupid you are, okay, but when our father says I approve of you That's even more powerful because it says you have merit you have earned my approval as a man And that is where that real self-love that real understanding that I am valuable can come from and if we didn't get that from our father We have to find other sources to get it from we can Develop it internally without the help of another man to to explain that to us to approve of us But we have to have that because without it. We don't have any we have no energy no drive to go out and do things Yeah, yeah I'm putting the number in the chatter or the Well, I just want to say something and piggyback off of that See the thing is a lot of people understand about men you either a man in the house or man of the house and When you're a man in the house, this is where you go happy wife happy life, you know, you're sleeping on the couch Don't make mom mad, you know, mother's always right You know happy wife had all that other cake cake ass shit they come out with but when you're a man of the house You embody and compass everything in the house You have your hand in everything that's going on in that house and you're leaving it in a certain direction And unfortunately a lot of boys who may have dad in the house Just because dad is there doesn't mean dad's a man And what happens is dad probably pushes more estrogen into you then mom does when he's in the house But when he's of the house, he sets the standard and again like as a father myself, I'm not here to be like I'm not here to be your friend. I'm here to be father, you know, I'm not your buddy Like we you know as you get older. Yeah, we can crack open a beer and even go to a strip club You want when you get older, but No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but other than that, but yeah, no, no, no, it's it's my way or My way and that's it that that's how it's gonna go But but trust the narrative that as a man, I know I can lead a family I mean 21 almost 21 years married with no arguments and no problems and my kids are honor old students and all the other stuff Shows that that's what men can do when men focus themselves on again Which Bulldog was saying before the selfishness of knowing who you are, man Yeah, I like to say, you know an emotional master. I think is also really really important for him for men I actually Teach a lot of the guys that I coach this this thing that I call the three levels of emotional mastery, right? And I think this is really important because we all kind of start at these one of these levels So the first level I call wearing your heart on your sleeve, right? This is the typical nice guy problem This is the antifa guys, right where you're just expressing your emotion as a man all over the place You you like a girl you buy her flowers. You tell her how much you're in love with her, right? You're you're just spewing emotion, right? You have no control over it But what happens when you're in that first phase is you get your heart broken, okay? You get you get bullied you get stomped on and and you go through a lot of pain And so a lot of times in some because some guys get stuck in the first phase I think antifa guys there's just stuck in the first phase, right? You know a lot of typical nice guys to just stay that way But a lot of men figure out how to how to solve that problem by going to the second phase of emotional mastery Which is which I call numbness so you're walking around like a zombie you figure it out Hey, you know what if I don't feel any emotion then I won't feel any pain so you become a really numb person and You don't love anyone, but you don't have any pain either and nothing can hurt you But you don't feel anything you're kind of dead inside and that's our alcohol and drugs probably fit into this phase, right? Yeah, it's a numbing agent right you numb yourself essentially and so a lot of guys get stuck in this phase and again I think I see this a lot in the red pill just in the Manusphere community especially red pill is that they're stuck in this phase They're in the numb phase, right? And there it's almost like a like a psychopath II right like a like you can do all these things But but the problem is you're dead inside So, you know really what you want to reach is what I call level three of emotional mastery Which is I call it feel the pain and keep on walking and this is where you you reopen up again You open yourself and you allow yourself to feel emotion to to fall in love to To experience pain and hardship like all those things that go with it the full spectrum of life because like you're saying Anthony Emotion is not bad. There's not negative emotion. It's just it's all part of life, right pain That's good. It makes you feel more alive than any other any other emotion But the key to the level three what makes it different than level one is you don't outwardly express it You don't allow the emotion to dictate your action, right? You're a human being reintegrated again You can have connections with people because you have that emotional You have those emotions in the depth of them But you have emotional mastery in the sense that you do not allow that to dictate your action So again, like the one I pick on all the time for guys is anger because I say oh It's angry is a masculine thing Anger isn't because like you could feel the anger internally But if you act out of anger You're weak because someone else is controlling you and manipulating you right if I can make you angry And then I can make you take an action based on that anger. I have a button I can push that that is that that manipulates you. I think this is what I do with feminists all day long I mean that's been it it's not always purposeful just kind of happens sometime But also it's purpose you just it's a button. I push to piss up all these feminists and then they spurred out Crazy Yeah, it's because they're so emotionally incompetent and constipated and that's why they're vulnerable to that I think trump does the same thing and politically with these people He just goes on his twitter and puts an emoji and everybody flips their shit or talks about the new the new button Everybody's like And see you want to be the person that's eliciting Getting people to act on their emotions versus, you know the man and again I I always I can it back to a fight, you know I've been in a fair share of fights Okay, and I know which guys to not get in fight with right so if if I'm at a bar or something Some guys yelling in my face and he's like, you know up and pushing me whatever I'm not afraid of that guy. I'll knock that guy out But if if there's a guy that's starting shit with me and he's calm as a cucumber And he walks up and he's like let's let's go. So, you know, he's got I'm like, let me buy you a beer, man Or you see you see his friend You see his friend kind of skate by in the background real calm. Where's that guy fucking going? Yeah, you got to watch for that shit, dude But it's like It's like because that guy has emotional mastery. He's in control of his emotions That guy's not a guy you want to fuck with, you know what I mean? So like when you don't have emotional mastery when you're not in control of your emotions as a man It doesn't just have to be angry. It's all the emotions you're weak You're weak because and this is what women test. This is why women again a lot of men in relationships They don't understand how to behave. They're the bitch in the relationship. That's why the relationship blows up the long term It's not because the women is there's a problem with her It's because you're a weak man because what happens is women want to test you they want to see Okay, can I get this guy emotional? Can I push him off his rock? It's like american gladiator, you know, the little Tugel, right? It's like can I can I knock him off and if she can knock you off? Then then she knows you're weak. You're a weak man You're not a rock and she knows that's other people are going to be able to do the same thing so So what you have to do as a man in a relationship Let's pause here though because I want to why why is what is she you know? I'm hearing this and my my first thought is like women are doing that because If you pass it they feel safe and if you fail it they get pissed off because they feel scared Is there any motivation you can speak to about? Like why they're doing it. Yeah, why they're doing it What is what is happening when they're doing these tests and things like that? So what they're trying to determine? Well, there's there's two things they're trying to determine, right? So one one greatest insecurity that all women have is that they know that they're a crazy bitch And they and they and they don't want to let that out into the world, right? Because it's because there's part of femininity. It's not even a bad thing, right? It's like they know how crazy bitch they are And they want to make sure that there's a man that can handle their crazy bitchness, right? Because then they can truly feel loved and they can truly feel safe, right? Because if if she's on good behavior, right and she doesn't let her crazy bitchness out and and you're with her But then you can't handle her crazy bitchness then she feels like oh, I can never be myself I can never like, you know, I'm saying because women are emotional. They're going to be taken by the emotion So that's that's one of the things she's doing And then the second thing she's doing when she's testing like that is she's trying to see like Okay, if she can knock you over Okay, american gladiator style and knock you into the pit right get you emotional Then you know what some other woman can do it some other guy can do it, right? You're going to be fucking bullet. You're going to be pushing around She can't trust you as a man because what women want more than anything like Especially to turn on their sexuality is safety. They want to know that this guy Is is is leading from here from his heart not influenced by other people Not being intimidated not seeking validation, but he's he's he's the leader Is so that said they can follow him and and that's what they're testing for they want to see are you that guy If I can push you off your your your pedestal if I can knock you into the pit, you're not the guy Yeah, they're then they're going to get in the pedestal exactly and the dude worships you're like a beta bitch Yeah, this is really important though because you just said that safety is a massive turn on for women And I agree with that but most men I think don't A they don't agree with that maybe but b they don't even understand what that safety is And that's I think what you're saying is the woman being dominated by a strong man and submitting to them This makes you feel safe to the point that she gets wet That's that's like physically wet like that's the real safety that they feel and they love it and they need it Because they're crazy bitch otherwise and they go bananas Yeah, I mean even even I'm teasing a bit but uh, even better woman the best one you'll find they still They're gonna be much more emotional than you would think yeah You also one thing it really came to mind too John before we get Stephen And we can talk about this later. Maybe but you mentioned emotional mastery a lot Oh, that sounds to me a lot like is really just competency like jack oden and style of competency almost But I mean that could be for men or women years. That's not a tactical virtue, but Or in that context, but it's mastery just speaks to competency And that means you have competency over yourself and over that component of yourself and your own emotions Is that accurate the competency company? Yeah I would say the reason why it's it's accurate is because and this really goes deep into like stoic philosophy, right? The whole idea is like you cannot be competent If you are not using a logical and analytical part of your brain to make your decisions, right? So if you're emotional and you and your emotions determine your actions You cannot have competency because you can't be doing the the smartest and most Most beneficial action, right? Because you're going to be you're going to be going with whatever you feel which is not going to be competent, right? you know Think about it again, like if you if you have if you've ever worked on something Heck, I've done this shit before where, you know, I'm working on my computer Or some kind of thing and the thing's not working and then I start banging on the fucking thing, right? That's the opposite of competency, right? Why because my emotion got involved and I stopped doing the analytical logical thing So you have to have a met emotional mastery to have the competency and and and you can you can see it, right? Who do you want to follow it? Like who do you want to follow into war or who do you want to follow as a leader? A guy that like it's just calm and collected and makes like decisions from a rational perspective or someone who's like Pissed off or like like they're they're jumping to like they're like, okay We're going to go in like go go attack now, right? They're erratic. Yeah, right So all right, cool steve y'all jump in guess america. No, no, y'all are hitting it on the head man I it's just that you've got it's it's again It goes back to just Focusing on you that see if if if the met towels and like used this as with bulldog and always saying as purpose Then I would agree on purpose because that should be your purpose should be you Not what you wear and not what you do But focusing on not only calming your emotions down, but you know what? Hey the only time I show motions is when my cowboys lose I mean that that's that's the only thing that gets to me But a woman getting mad at me a woman wanting to leave me that I mean they're not special I I just don't understand Why people think women are so special like they do they walk on water? Do they change wine to water or whatever? I mean, I don't know what makes them so special to The only steve I've encountered this slightly just to kind of egg on here a little bit John and I were talking recently by this author Nathaniel brandon This psychologist guy. He's dead now. He was alive for a while long day He lived long life till recently that couple years ago But he basically he made a point one of his books one time the psychology romantic love great book Check it out. It'll trigger a lot of matters for guys, but it's great book and he basically said for the first time I'd ever seen it that As a man as from your perspective as a man women are the only other like sentient being Alive that's not a man And this is special because even even men's best friend a dog and animals Now we have computers and AI and all this shit They're not human in a way that women are and women are fundamentally fucking different and that's interesting You can't you can't do the worshiping stuff or if you want to fuck around or something that That's uh, it's usually unhealthy, but it's it's different. It's unhealthy. It's it's fun No, well, okay They can have okay The only thing a woman can give me is a as a child and what makes her special is she can give birth to a child I'll I'll give her that but what I'm saying is is that I don't ever go in To meeting a woman saying that I have to have a date with her I have to marry her I have to have a relationship with her She's so beautiful and all those things because I'm not looking at the outside Exterior of her because I'm an inside man And if I'm an inside man, I've got to expect the same for somebody that I talked to I got to expect her character Matching her beauty Wrong if it if it doesn't, you know, we'll have a she's a booty call. Of course. I'm not going to turn down ass. Yeah I mean, but what I'm saying is is that as she can't get on the roster She can't be a number one, but I'll be honest enough to tell her what her position is But yes, they are special in a way. Well, yeah, they can they can give birth to children That's that's what makes them different. Absolutely, but they're crazy and Yeah, but you need to be a a man to calm that bad shit We'll calm down when she's around the way man dancing with the tornado. Yeah. Oh, say bring that shit on tornado Man, I don't want to stay with this. Fuck this Jesus We need some of that though. So, you know, I mean like It's one thing like being a man, like, you know, and and being logical analytical all the time But see that we we crave as men the softness the femininity, right? Just ontaneous the the dancing with the tornado is like like you said Anthony because Because we we need that and that's where again, like a lot of a lot of mixtape guys again Not not trying to hate against them But they're missing that part of their life and it's a wonderful part of your life if you can learn how to master How to how to tangle with the tornado But but not get swept up in it. You know what I mean? It's a dance the it's a delicate dance, but that's what life is and you're missing a part of life if you don't experience that Yeah, well, that's part of the polarity, you know Masculine men don't have a problem with women that are acting in a feminine way If they're a little bit excessively emotional and like we you said a tornado That's fine for us because we're masculine. We're solid We're unmovable. It doesn't bother us when the wind blows But a lot of them the minktown men they're sufficiently close to that center where they're they're a little more feminine They're a little more towards the center of the masculine feminine divide And so a woman that is a little off-kilter that's very feminine That's okay for us is going to drive them nuts because they can't handle her You know, it's it's like a guy first time he ever drives and he's trying to drive a Ferrari He's not going to be able to he's going to kill himself You know, there's a lot a lot of fathers bought their 16 year old son's a very fast car And the first thing they did is drive off the road and kill themselves. It's actually I know people that's happened to them You you don't want more women than you can handle But there is a reason that women this is one of the biggest complaints I hear about women is they act childish But there's a very good reason that they do that. It's an important reason They need to test the men to see if men can handle childish Emotionality impulsivity and lack of control because Hopefully then they want to have kids with you You're going to be able to respond in a measured and calm way to your children Imagine if you got a major anger problem. She needs to discover that before she has kids with you You know, because maybe if you can't handle her guaranteed you can't handle your kids Yep, because because kids are going to I have three small children And they will intend they hear me working out as soon as they hear my alarm going that I'm going to work out I hear all the feet and the crawling ones coming in and they want to jump all over me Well, I'm doing push-ups and everything and I have to keep my cool because when you start exercising your blood goes up Your adrenaline's going your patience diminishes and it's a good test And I didn't realize until after I had kids that a lot of what my wife was doing is exactly What children do and that she was in a way preparing me to deal with that by testing me by by Helping me develop self-control Yeah, she's testing for the consequences of breeding with you. Basically. What is going to happen if this man inseminates me? Let me find out by being crazy And a lot of a lot of men break their their women right they break their wife for their or their girlfriend By trying to make her a man by trying to get rid of that femininity And that childishness and trying to get her to quote behave now again There's a difference between like You know, like rewarding and punishing like, you know and tolerate behavior But so many men try to make the woman the best friend the male friend To get rid of that feminine aspect because they don't like you because like you said no, they can't handle it And so what they do is they screw themselves over because they that polarity started off here Like the reason why they're attracted to this crazy bitch was because she was a crazy bitch And that turned them on right and she was attracted to to the man because He he was he was strong in his purpose and on his mission in life And then it like the polarity starts to collapse as they as they become the same Because he's trying to train her to be a man Because he thinks that all these things that that she's doing are are crazy bitch type of things and And she doesn't understand that she's an emotional creature and then pretty soon There's no sexual attraction and then that's where she's going to go and wander and find find a real man I know I'll let you stand that basically the guy the man is depolarizing the situation the relationship and then defeminizing her And then I lose everything falls apart. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense By the way, I remembered what I wanted to say about steve's thing from a couple minutes ago This was I thought kind of useful steve is talking about inner beauty and outer beauty and that she needs to match up Absolutely, totally Who wants a beautiful woman who's ugly on the inside? There's a piece of shit that's stupid And who knows how many different ways and that's this is a human thing right too You don't want uh, you know Some masculine dude in your life is a badass as a friend, you know get your back But then all of a sudden he's a piece of shit you find out like you don't want to be around that Anyway, that's Steve what you're talking about It reminded me of all these, you know, we call them thoughts, right? I know john was talking about this a little bit or criticizing it But instagram thoughts is the thoughts that I speak there's millions of them, right? These and these are physically attractive women to the nines a lot sometimes some of them are fat But a lot of them are not They're good-looking on the outside, but if you look at the smiles these fakes fucking smiles that gets like plastered on every fucking photo It's a lack of inner beauty. It's fake. It's a fake a fake smile is fucking ugly in my opinion Especially when you see it repetitively over and over and over and over again and it to me it's actually uh It's expressing and it's demonstrating or publicizing that they don't have that And this is why you have this narcissism in this garden. It's bad attitudes entitlement and victimhood And the hashtag a little hashtag, you know matter evil or Whatever the bullshit hashtag of the day is for the instant thoughts, but Steve go ahead Yeah, you know the beautiful thing about thoughts and internet chicks and uh, go me go fun I've I got that. What is that thing? Only fans only fan go fun Join my Kickstarter campaign to see my tits on any go They're fucking someone for free and that's what people don't understand They may be getting money from a lot of guys and they have a lot of fans But they probably have one man or maybe a few or just maybe one man in their life that they're They're giving money to they're doing this cause and they're running behind him So I see what you're saying man It's it's the the thing that I always say as a man is that I know women are going to be women But what is the one going to be when she's around me? You know what I mean? Because again and that's the the the fight I have with the mentals again I can't judge a woman off of how she treats you I gotta judge her off the principle the standard my laws my rules my codes my mission statement my vision of me That I can only judge her off of me I can't judge her off of how she treats you because i'm not you or living your life. So Yeah, I've seen my wife tear a guy apart, you know just She would never speak to me that way And I've seen him because you know, she'll see some guy whining or complaining. She'll just tear him apart Uh, she now she's getting older. She doesn't do that because it's too impactful to have a slightly older woman tear you apart But and I've taught her nicer ways to to help young men realize they're being a bitch But uh, I've seen her do that man. She would never do that to me She would never talk to me that way or even talk about me that way behind my back and I was surprised with the first time because You know, this is not the woman that I that I thought she was that I knew that I thought she was But she all women have that ability all women have that ability to tear a man to shreds And they won't do that to a man. They respect They'll only do that to men. They don't respect. So be a man that's worthy of respect and you don't have that problem Yeah Yeah, most of the time it's like I think guys a lot of time forget that That men are the action takers and women are the receivers and a woman is a reflection of the man That she's in a relationship with and it's and it's supposed to be that way That's that's how it is and because you can have the same, you know, I've seen this multiple times We have the same girl. She dates this guy She runs all over him. She cheats on him She treats him like shit and then she finds a new guy after she breaks up with him And she treats that guy like a king. She worships the ground. He walks on she cooks for him cleans for him, right? anything he wants and The difference was not her it was it was the guy, right and it's like You have to learn how to be that guy because it's it's a reflection like women reflect right off of you And and what you're bringing and and they're going to respond and if there's an absence of masculinity Are you know women have learned, you know from a biological adaptation to become a man They it's it's like the frogs that switch sexes, right? You know if there's a lack of masculinity in a relationship a woman will become she will take the role She'll wear the pants She will make sure that she gets done because she's going to make sure that she's going to provide Provision for her kids and her offspring and and herself and so if you're not doing it, she'll step up What I find interesting is that she's basically going to respond to you This is I think you're in the nail in the head john and this reminds me some things No talking about but she's going to respond to you in whatever way you dish out whatever you exert as You know the mirror neurons and all the behavior all the shit top to bottom the energy the woo shit the science whatever She's fully responsive to it And if you're a bitch then she'll be massive defeminized masculine eyes And then everything falls apart into shit or if you act like a badass and be a man Then things will typically go and the more positive It was a little more reciprocal relationship to it But I think submission is an active thing when we need to do But even that is inspired by a man being masculine and being dominant and healthy like you know positive ways and shit And even at the macrocosm right so what's happening today in society? The the man the society the patriarchal man has become a fucking pussy And so women are stepping up and they're becoming men. That's what feminism is feminism is basically Woman becoming a man that that's that's what it is And so at this macro level because so many men are pussies and so many men are weak We're we're now seeing feminism rise to to take the place of masculinity Because those women are learning to become men they have they have to in order to operate this world So it's a really good way to even worse even worse women are becoming toxic men It wouldn't be so bad if they became actual men and started sitting down and solving problems of being rational and You know having a balanced emotions and all that they become the worst of what it is to be a man The most aggressive the most unreasonable and the most egotistical and selfish in a completely illogical way Because they can't be men. They can only be poor imitation of a man. Yeah, this this is uh I mean we see it like you said in the macro because so many men haven't done their job for so long Basically since world war two that you know women have had a couple generations of Men in general failing them and that's why what what you're doing at things so important with 21 conventions is Getting the level of men up again and women will follow. Yeah Well finding it's not just me of course It's all of you guys, but I really like the meta. I think that's what you're referring to is at a meta level I'm gathering like leaders and builders And shakers and disruptors and just people with an audience that want to build an audience and build content And change, you know, each of you has a focus in your own audience. It's all growing over time. It's awesome Bring all together like justice league style whatever, you know, whatever the fuck you want to call it Do you think it's seriously you can joke about it, but it's real I mean, it's it's the it's the only gathering in the world is that I know of for We're doing it for men and a comprehensive conference kind of way with all these different None of you guys work for me. You're all independent, you know Contractors are independent dudes. None of you are employees in the company You do your own thing and you come to our conference together with like 20 other speakers like yourself That have their own business and their own coaching model and their own vision for what they're going to do And now we're doing that for men and then for the fathers and then for the women So it's like it's growing growing and growing. I guess someday we'll do motherhood convention We'll get like ironing boards for them like a sewing kid A sandwich making workshop would be fucking fabulous Someone is asking in the comments, how do we pass on this masculine knowledge to the next generation? What you described is one of the ways is through the conferences But there is there is a bit of an idea that you have to be a master before you can teach anything And that's not historically how we did it, you know the the grandfather He'd be the patriarch of the family the master of all of the family knowledge He'd pass that to his sons who'd pass it to their sons, but it wasn't A waterfall it was a continual process And it was as as you matured some older members of your family would say you're now at a point Where you need to know this son and you're now at a point where you need to understand children You're now at a point where you need to understand how to run a business or whatever it was at your family knowledge included Whatever you know as a man and you know it works because you've done it it works It's it's making your life run. You need to pass that on to the next man Well at the same time establishing an upward chain towards more mature men It's reestablishing those those social connections that network That's how it will be passed down and what we're doing is really jump starting that process And it's needed because the connections are dead once the connections are going strong again You know our great great grandfathers didn't need to be taught how to be a man They needed to go to a conference for that Like they they wouldn't have reproduced if they didn't know this stuff The woman would have looked at him The idea would have been ridiculous that you'd have to go to an educational conference and how to be a man Because that was I mean they would have laughed at it because that was occurring within the families and within communities and stuff Which is like all gone now the barbershops are gone cigar shops are dying off The bowling alleys are obviously gone all that shit. I didn't grow up. I mean i'm 32 I've never seen other than cigar bars. I've never seen any of that And you know, so it's a lot even cigar bars. You see a woman at them and all this shit It's like yeah, we need we need a lot more toxic masculinity We need a whole trunkload of that shit one thing though The john was talking about real quick john that you brought up. I really want to hit on you brought up the macro of You know, basically the the design of women and then obviously how this is playing out Larger culture and stuff men failing and then women trying to be men and all that But one thing also came to mind said that is micro and if you look at a micro level I find it really interesting and so I don't know if you could speak to agreeing or not If you look at a woman the feminine woman on a micro level, she's completely responsive to you inside and out We talked about the inside the behavioral she'll match. She'll respond to the mirror and all that but even physically Literally right down to a dick going into vagina it adapts to it The hornier she gets the deeper the vaginal canal gets it's going to adapt your dick going in it obviously And even a woman a woman is typically soft and squishy compared to a man as a man You're hard and you should be muscular. She is not she's going to be even if she's a strong woman physically so to speak Works out or whatever. She's still a lot squishier and softer than you are Literally responsive to physically grabbing her her whole body will literally adapt to what you want You know, I mean it's it's amazing how it goes like Psychologically inside all the way to the outside down to little things like not little things but dick and vagina Or whatever, you know all that stuff. So I thought it was kind of interesting that you brought that up Yeah, yeah a hundred percent. I mean it's it's There's the people that try to claim that there's no difference between the sex is that it's just a social construct Or just they're smoking crack because it it is completely, you know, and that's everything has poll has polls in nature Right, it's it's that's that's what creates That's what makes the world go around as we have this polarization. It's the design Nature it's anti science is what it is I mean denying biological genders the few genders the sexes like it's that there's no differences between them It's fucking it's beyond studio and smoking crack as we would put it Smoke a mess. Yeah, the the sexual polarity between a masculine man and a feminine woman Is enormous that energy that's there You know, you can almost feel it in a room when you see a good-looking couple walk in And then you'll see, you know two people that are relatively on the same wavelength that are Sometimes you're not sure what's one is the man and which one is the woman and it's dead. You like you feel Like a dead suction of energy going towards them like a black hole Because they don't have that polarity. The polarity is incredibly important And as a man, you can't make your wife feminine. You can make yourself masculine She'll make herself feminine in response She'll react to you and so you you have power and control over the situation and you have it in a By controlling yourself you get control of the situation I think also to address like what you're saying about The question about how do we pass this on to to the younger generation of men? You know What one of the things I think that's important to understand is what motivates young men, right? And this is where kind of the whole pickup artists and game like community comes into this is because The way we get to the men the young men is we get what they we give them what they want, right? Young men aren't going to have the principle. They're not going to understand why they need to be a man But the one thing that they're going to understand that they want is they want women. They want sex And so we we teach them how to get that But we teach them in such a way as as to become a man in order to to get that And then that's how we we reach those men I think that's how that next generation is because that's the thing is like You know if I come in I lecture you're like, oh, you need to be a man and you know To some degree it's going to stick with a very small percentage But if if it's if I got something you want right As we have as men as as older men understand women and understand how to get women Then the younger men are going to come to us and say hey I want to teach me some of that and then and then we do it in the proper way We say hey look, this is what you need to learn This is what you need to become a real man and and then you know And I think that's that's a big part of it and and again I think there's been a lot of shade, you know thrown at like pickup artists Community type of that and and it's legitimate. I mean, you know for me getting into personal development It started there That's where most men that that really like in even business and all those things because I learned marketing I learned, you know, uh to face rejection and all those things and so I think that's a very important part of it It's it's a lower motive, right? But we can't I want to give you just an amen on that john I think the pickup community has gotten way too much flack in recent years as a wing in a man's sphere And it's not that it's immune to criticism far from it It's as easily it can be criticized as much as in any other community But there's a lot of positives to it. You just nailed facing rejection learning marketing, uh, you know You're motivated there's some motivated to improve something about their lives because they want to get laid They're young dumb full come I mean, it's a good it's a good starting point And that's and you you just hit the nail on the head by the way Of the entire trajectory of the man's sphere how it's evolved over 25 30 years and my company We had a little bit of health and fitness and style and stuff in the very beginning of the conference But it was otherwise 90 pick up like how do I get better at picking up chicks and interacting with women? And that then evolved over time as I matured the company matured the man's spirit matured Into this much larger vision now. That's really massive at this point So I just really want to commend you like you know that pickup community gets way too much fucking demonization and shit Yeah, we we can't lose it because we have to have that if we're going to like get the new Guys into this but then your motives pur purify over time Right, it's like as you if you after you master that and you and you learn The skills to be able to pick up women and then you realize that there's some emptiness and just chasing tail all the time And once you can get it then you start to say, okay, well, what's next? What else do I need to learn? Well, you know and it puts you on that path So I think it's an essential step and then you like I said that it's it's a it's a lesser motive It's it's a not very pure motive like just getting tail But then once you achieve that then you it unlocks higher motives now you you can you can unlock those higher More meaningful things in your life. It's like unlocking. It's like stepping up the mazlo's hierarchy needs. You're going step by step by step Steve won't jump in. I yeah, again I've I've I've been knowing I've seen the pickup thing. Matter of fact on the 21 I'll be talking a little bit about that correlating that what's going on today, but What's happening today is there are a lot of young young guys whose nuts haven't dropped from their stomach yet Trying to teach guys how to be men and they haven't even experienced the world and that's that's the problem We I mean we have a lot of young. I mean people if you're like 19 2021 trying to tell other men how to be men and navigate life and they haven't even stepped out in the life so again Some see a lot of people will do it for the money And not too many people will do it for really helping like you guys are doing it to help people The money comes along with the help, but then you have other people Ya I mean who do it for the the money that accolades the the clicks the subscribers so It's like a A dick passing contest amongst because you oh if you notice there's not that much Authenticity with a lot of these guys today. They're just regurgitating with somebody else's saying or mimicking with someone else is saying So you can always tell who does it for the money versus people who does it for the love of the game And I'm just gonna say I don't really do it for helping people I'll do it for the love of the game then I like helping people and that's important to me, but Yes, it's for me It's I love being an entrepreneur and doing 21 convention and red man group and all these things 22 convention now because it's fun Yeah, it's fun and that it specifically fits to my values of what I want to do in the world and as a man But the end of the day, it's like first of all, it's it's fucking fun I have a lot of fun It's not always fun, but it's a lot of fun doing what I want to do Every day and kicking ass and and raging feminists and teaching men And and helping teachers of men reach more men because I don't even do a lot of teaching myself obviously more like a Like a school principal than a teacher in a school analogy You know mostly organizing you guys as teachers to teach more men and educate more men develop platform I do a little bit on them, but not much See that's awesome. I'm bringing you guys together, man. It's so great. Let's actually round out the conversation Now we got a couple minutes left for john's got a bounce Uh quick round out here. You guys are all speaking at 21 convention pretty soon here a few weeks in Orlando, florida 21 summit actually three conferences in one Whatever you guys focus in they're planning to talk about quick highlights in your speeches So i'm going to be talking about men and agency and how they can deploy their agency out into the world To make an effect on the world and to mold the world into their shape and also how agency connects with um once groups of high agency men federate together It creates the option for sovereignty for men to be able to deny other people power over them This is especially important at the moment Worldwide governments have tried to take more and more power away from us through covet And the way to fight back is to start at the individual level developing your own agency then cooperating with other men And then getting ready to fight for your own sovereignty Yeah, i'm gonna teach men how to do that Yeah, like you're in a weaponizer agency. Fuck yeah, dude. Weaponized agency weaponized responsibility. I like that john Yeah, i haven't i've been a hundred percent decided yet. I've got a few things I'm i'm thinking about more and more as i'm getting into these conversations and we're talking about and i'm realizing That so much of the kind of manosphere red pill community Is missing like the aspect of like kind of what we're talking about with romantic love and and just like You know the the ability to be a man in a relationship and understand that part of it I'm sort of leaning towards doing something around that but i'm not a hundred percent sure yet But uh, but yeah, i'm gonna i'm gonna kind of let it come to me and then i'll feel like i i've got exactly what i need to say So yeah, man. Yeah, be prepared to get called blue pill your blue pill beta You shouldn't be just fucking bang just bang or hundreds of women indefinitely Otherwise your blue pill cock loser. Why would you have children? No, you just be out spending plates, dude Fuck it right. Yeah, just kidding. Steve for me. I'm going with evolving as a man But i'm also gonna i'm going to connect with like we just discussed what's happened 20 years ago History is repeating itself today With the the the guys that are really doing more harm So i'm going after those that do harm to young men So i'm going straight at straight at the uh the tornado the eye the eye of the hurricane Go straight to show these men how to evolve Fuck yeah, man. Yeah, there's always been a lot of uh predators in the hemisphere Like it was no different honestly. It's this history repeating itself Yes in the 2000s in the 90s probably not so much but in 2000s like I mean the the the pricing of these courses that came out and these dvd sets were absurd I mean, especially I was a kid. I was like 17 18, but I mean we're talking like 800 dvd sets Neil Neil Strauss did a famous one where he sold like a four thousand dollar dvd set the annihilation method And it came with the workshop, but it was basically dvd set And uh, just it just never ends the the fucking the snake oil bullshit But the manuscript survives and it continues And I think it's still it's been a I think generally very positive trajectory over the years Especially as the community is the sub community sort of building and uh Kind of dividing they fight sometimes obviously, but I don't think it's that big of a deal Yeah And if you're looking for somewhere to invest if you're a young man watching this Invest in the programs that have been around for a while like 21 convention. That's where you're going to get the most much Basically the fact that it's been around is men saying you're after a year. Hey, this is worth going to And that's you know the flash in the pan. It's not hard to promise something It's hard to deliver it. It's really hard to deliver it consistently year after year to a gold standard There's something special here at 21 convention. Yeah, this just totally, you know, nonchalant plug the gold standard on the page There we go. But you have a good point, man. I mean I'm biased because obviously I'm founder and stuff But that's a really good point. I've been around 14 years doing this consistently for 14 fucking years And that's a really unusual that's a test of time that is For any entrepreneur in any any industry to be around that long It's not perfect. But this doesn't mean you're immaculate and invincible or anything like that But I love what I do and I think I'm really good at it And that's why I think it survived for almost a decade and a half now so Yeah, last thing so a quick view of the speakers guys get your tickets now still time Take up prices go up tomorrow night Sunday night I typically have like every week or two the prices go up like 100 bucks So save your money get your tickets now I'll be there. This is the main event by the way the 20 convention main event We also got the fatherhood event A patriarch going on fathers and the women's event for the women a whammin You can be myself there. Obviously all the guys on this panel will be there me, Noah, John and Steve Elliott Hull, Jesse Lee Peterson Amazing Richard Grannon Coach Greg Adams, AMS AJ Cortez, I got to pull off here Pat Stubman, Tanner Guzzi, Steve Berle, Terence Pop, fuck yeah This goes on and on. This made great time guys. I might even have more speakers to tell. I'm still talking to guys left and right So guys have been a great show today. I really appreciate your time episode 118 of the red man group I appreciate you guys tuning in live on the show today Hit the like button share subscribe to leave a comment all these things help on youtube Even if let's say if you hate this episode, you're like fuck you guys go ahead and hit the dislike button It's going to help the video. So I appreciate it But uh, you know if you like it and all that leave a comment comments will helpful too And uh, we'll see you guys next week 11 30 a.m. Sharp, and then I'll probably be the last episode before the convention Uh, that'll take up a lot of time. It looks like it's going or gets close Everyone else appreciate your time. Noah. Thank you. John Steve audios boys