 One thing that I wanted to ask you about with regard to UBI was the structure of UBI because as I initially understood it Which it seems incorrect. So correct me if I'm wrong is that it's a universal program However, the caveat is that it's opt-in so to kind of tie this to a real-world example So I can kind of get a better grasp of how it would work in reality My dad for example, he receives social security insurance every single month of $1,300 per month so with your proposal he would have to choose between UBI and Social security insurance So my question then becomes if he has to pick between these and obviously he's gonna opt for the $1,300 option because you know Basic math it's more money. It's exactly it's higher So it makes more sense for him to do that But effectively he would not be getting an extra $1,000 because with my with my parents They live paycheck to paycheck they wait for that $1,300 check every single month But if you increased them and supplemented what they already got give them an extra thousand that would radically change their lives But they'd have to opt in to UBI and they wouldn't get that additionally Meanwhile, someone who makes a hundred thousand dollars per year who's firmly in the middle class They'd get the extra one thousand dollars So even if I like that you're pitching this as a universal program Don't you think that that opt-in caveat kind of undermines the universality of it? well The $1,300 that your father receives is that for both him and your mother or they both in the same household So I believe my father receives 1,300 and my mom gets four hundred or something along those lines Yeah So so and this is not an atypical situation. That's why I ask is that for your parents Your mom would also be entitled to the freedom dividend And so she looks at her four hundred dollars and this is not unusual because a lot of women went years without developing work histories Often because they're raising kids and then their social security benefits are much lower And so your parents net benefit would be six hundred dollars because your dad's like having thirteen hundred So pass in the freedom dividend and your mom's like oh freedom dividend And you know and the extra six hundred would be really significant for household on a fixed income And so it is true that certain people who are in existing programs might benefit a bit less though As you know six hundred dollars on top of the seventeen hundred they're currently getting would be like a huge relief I mean that would be you know, like maybe a thirty three percent increase So it might not sound like six hundred bucks a month who cares But that's actually like really significant if you're operating on a it would be substantial But and so technically if you're looking at couples then they would technically get two thousand per month But that still begs the question. Why would someone for example on social security disability have to choose? Why would they not get as much as someone? Who's making a hundred thousand per year? Do you kind of see so there's just a disconnect? And I'm hoping that you can fill me in on that if I if I am genuinely misunderstanding No, no, well your understanding of it is correct and that the So there there are some problems that the freedom dividend is well designed to solve And then some that it is less well designed to solve honestly like it's very well designed to help empower millions of American Workers and people in tough situations It will make children and families stronger will improve our health nutrition mental health Relationships and make workers tough tougher to exploit Does it do as much for someone who's already receiving Social security and other benefits It does not do as much for those households and to me That's like a separate problem that we have to tackle and solve which is that social security is supposed to go and solve it I think it's 18 years or something And you know, they're all just so people know it it it actually rolls over so for example It's scheduled to go and solve it in 2038 for example But then next year it'll be scheduled to go and solve it in 2039 and then it just starts paying out 80% in the event It still isn't fully solvent, but I do agree with that there needs to be something I think lifting the cap on social security is a really good solution. Is that something that you'd support? Yeah, yeah, it is okay, and and they're so there's like an unrelated crisis It's related but unrelated so we have tens of millions of aging Americans who do not have adequate retirement savings, right? You know and we're about to be a society where you're seeing old people working until the day they die and like You know dying on the street and like living under bridges now all sorts of incredibly Horrific things where again if we're the richest and most advanced society in the history of the world Like that's unacceptable and we should make big moves to address that and the freedom dividend would help some of those situations Because it's very common like your parents where you have two people who are receiving together jointly less than $2,000 but The freedom dividend is not actually designed To solve that problem as much as it's designed to solve like other Situations and problems. Do I agree that this retirement savings crisis and the home health care crisis and all of these like need to Have massive resources put to work. Yeah, a hundred percent And if you were to say hey the freedom dividend does not address that as effectively as it addresses other situations I would agree with that as well