 Bernie Madoff is not selfish. The corrupt politician is not selfish. The cook is not selfish. They're actually not pursuing what's in their self-interest. Bernie Madoff's in jail. Very unhappy. He was unhappy even before he was caught because it turns out that lying, stealing and cheating are destructive. We all self-interest, being really selfish means to be productive, to use the faculty that really drives all value creation, which is our reason. So she would say rationality is the most important virtue. Again, somewhat following Evestado, not exactly the same, but similar in the sense that the standard, and it's an objective standard, is what is good for you long-term throughout your life. It's not what you feel like. It's not the steal and lie achieved. It turns out it's to be honest. It's to be just. It's to have integrity. And it's primarily to think, to be rational and to produce.