 Good evening. My name is Quinn man. I'm the vice chair of the South Burlington development review board today is Tuesday, March 5th for 1 of our regular meetings. Happy 10 meeting day. I will begin by introducing our other board members. We have Stephanie Wyman. John Moscatelli and Charles Johnston and for staff to my right, we have Marlekeen and Marty Gillies. So, before we begin, just a few housekeeping items. There's a few ways you can attend tonight's meeting. 1 of those ways is attending in person. We have quite a few folks in the auditorium with us tonight. You can also join by. Zoom virtually and you can also join by telephone, whether you're in person or online. It's important that you sign in signing and allows you to seek interested person status in this situation. You may want to an appeal decision. We ultimately decide tonight. You know, not tonight that we discussed tonight, rather if you're in person, you sign in in the back of the room. If you are online, you can set send your contact information through the chat or you can email Marlekeen at M Keen M K E E N E at South Burlington V T dot gov to provide her with your contact information to sign in. And so that's making sure you sign in for those folks who are online or on the telephone. Just a reminder to keep your micro microphones muted. Cameras off unless we recognize you. To speak and on that note, if you're attending and are looking to make comments on any of the items that are being discussed tonight. Please note, there will be a time for public comment provided at the end of that agenda item after the board has discussed it with the applicant. All right, and so. Moving to our 1st item emergency evacuation procedures for those who are in the auditorium tonight. There's 2 doors sets of doors behind you and the event emergency go out either of those doors turn right or left. You'll find yourself outside the building. Pretty easy agenda item number 2. Additions deletions or changes in the order of agenda items. So we will have a minor change to the order of agenda tonight agenda item number 7 is for the board to approve minutes from past meetings. We are going to move that up to agenda item number 6. That's because 1 of our board members is recused from the item number 6. So, we want to do that and allow that board member to leave. So, they don't have to stick around till the very end to approve the minutes at the end. So, again, we will be moving agenda item number 7 up to be agenda item number 6. And agenda item number 3, any announcements from the staff. Or the board, nope, I did invite the clerks to come in and tell us the results of the election if they so choose, but told them it was not quite sounds good. If someone comes in looking like a fresnel clerk waving their arms, give us the announcement in real time. Very good. And then agenda item number 4 comments and questions from the public not related to the agenda. Are any of those this evening on 1st, or anyone in person or online. All right, I'm hearing none. So we'll jump into the items we have on our agenda today. Agenda item number 5. This is site plan application, S. P. 24. Oh, 4 and conditional use application. See you 24. Oh, 2 of the Roman Catholic diocese of Burlington to amend a previously proved plan. For a 126,875 square foot educational facility, also known as rice memorial high school. The amendment consist of reconfiguring and installing turf on the existing athletic fields. Removing the existing track and bleachers, construction, new pervious walkways and other minor site improvements. And this is at 99 proctor as. It looks like our applicants have found their way to the to the podium, if you will. And is it just you guys that will be talking for the applicant tonight, or is there anyone else online or in the audience. Okay, sounds good. And so, if you could begin just by stating your name association for the record into the into the microphone. Sure, my name is Andy, I'm the principal of rice memorial high school. Welcome, thank you. And I'm Greg Dixon, the civil engineer on the project from Cribson, Lansing. All right, and then Jeff, can you, sorry for getting your last name. Yeah. Okay. And yes, and Ella. Excellent. Thank you. And if all 4 of you could raise your right hand, we're just going to square you in for this application. I think there might be 1. Oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah, I'm also Chris. Okay. Excellent. Thank you. So did you say your last name again? Just for the minute. Take her. Yeah. Okay. Thanks Chris. Thank you and right hands. Excellent. Thank you all 5 of you. So, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth under penalty of perjury? Yes, yes. Excellent. Thank you. All right, so we have a staff report here. I am going to start by just chatting through a little bit of context here. There's. Yeah, just a quick disclosure. Nope. Just a quick disclosure. I previously worked with Chris. Affirm many years ago, but I don't think that'll have an impact on my ability to proceed tonight. Excellent. Thank you so much. Sorry, I do forget to ask for that. Um, so the staff report we have tonight. Um, I know some of your engineers are kind of familiar with our process, but, um, we have a staff report with items that need discussion outlined in red. We'll walk through those discussion points. So, to begin just to provide a little bit of context, because the staff report does focus on kind of a distinction that needs to be made here with. The purpose of the athletic field. And there's a little bit of nuance to that. So. The existing development is in residential zoning district 4. So, the current use of educational facilities is allowed as an educational or as a conditional use. Um, and the. Educational facility is a facility used for or in support of education, instruction, or research in any branch of knowledge. So, there are existing athletic fields on site as we noted, but the project description. And so, this the the way they exist currently, there's a relationship of the fields with the users of the educational facility in a distinction. I just want to make before we jump into the staff report is the residential zoning district for prohibits outdoor recreation facilities. Which are defined as commercial recreational facilities for activities wholly or partially outside of any building structure. So. That is a certain type with commercial recreational facility that would be prohibited in this zoning district. And again, this distinction will kind of come up some of the. Comments that that we're going to address, so just wanted to set the stage a little bit. Um, and with that. So, I'm just going to read the 1st comment we have here. Oh, yes, thank you. So sorry. And before we begin. Into the comments, could you just provide a brief overview of the project that you're proposing here. Yeah, so what rice is intending to do is to kind of take away what you can see right now as the as the circular oval track. As well as the baseball field, and those would be rebuilt using a turf. Synthetic grass product and. It they would bring back the football field and the baseball field so they would still be fields, but the track would would not. Be part of this project. There will be some walking paths and some other amenities we have. Work to make all of those pervious so this is actually a net drop in. Impervious surface as we have designed it and. Yeah, there's not too much more than that unless you had anything to add, but. I mean, it would just end up creating a much more consistent reliable dependable. Durable surface for our student athletes to be on and it would just be a nice upgrade for them and just be a field or set of fields that we could depend on more. Okay, excellent. And I know I jumped the gun a little bit, but just before we jump into the. Comments anyone on the board have any clarifications or questions on the overview provided before we jump in. Okay, excellent. So, I'm going to read this 1st comment staff recommends that the board and applicant discuss the envisioned usage of their turf field space as it relates to the definition of educational facility and outdoor recreational facility. The zoning district standards, which prohibit outdoor recreational facility in the residential for zoning district. So, as a reminder, the connection of defining this, these athletic fields as an educated part of an educational facility is a relationship to to the students and the educational establishment. So, if you could speak to the intended use of the fields. As upgraded sure the intended use would be exactly what we're using them today to play football field sports like soccer across baseball field hockey. So, as an educational facility for students and so this, I think, ties directly into comment number 2, which it's our understanding that there's some historic usage. Of the existing athletic fields that might be outside of that criteria that have a direct relationship to the student body. So, are there any. Existing tournaments or that sort of thing that are hosted on the field on the fields currently that you would like to continue to have that opportunity to do moving forward that might not fit that educational facility definition. We don't have any existing tournaments beyond the tournaments that we already are beyond the games that we already host there. You know, as part of the VPA. Okay, okay. Okay, so I think, yep, go ahead. So, you're saying is you don't host activities beyond what is. Consider a school event on the fields. That's correct. Not used to sitting in this position. So, I forgot. All right, I think with that, we can move. Down, that is doing. So, this next comment is related to this same kind of distinction of uses the field. So. We will be looking to craft the condition that clearly prohibits the outdoor spaces from being used in a manner that fails to comply with what's allowed for this conditional use. So, that would be prohibiting the school from, you know, renting out this space for a fee for some purpose that is not serving the student body. And so it sounds like you don't have any intention of doing that. So, I think we have all the information we need to draft such a condition. Is that correct? All right, do you guys feel that way? Yeah, I think just for the board's consideration, I did receive an email from someone on the applicant team by Jill. Who's wasn't sworn in, but is here. And so that's in the supplemental folder and it was just that it was like a draft condition that is just for the board's consideration. Certainly not something they have to adopt verbatim or have to adopt at all. But just worth, I think, speaking into the record is that we received this. And so this is just the applicants first crack at a condition like the 1 suggested to be created as part of comment number 3. So, no need or no pressure to make a decision on this now. Obviously, this is just something to take under advisement at this time. But if you have questions falling up, that's a big good time. Because just one thing to expand on being an archdiocese facility, there's no intention of bringing in many other groups from outside, part of the archdiocese, but outside the school that would partake of the use of the field as well. Strictly rice. That's correct. Strictly what we're using it currently for. Okay. Okay. I don't have any other for their comments on this proposed condition. Anything else from the board? Is there any intention to significantly expand the athletic offerings at rice, which would incur greater field usage? Right now, there's no plan to do that currently. The teams that we have fill up our fields quite well, and this actual turf field is going to help us out a lot. And again, just to clarify, you know, the existing activities that we have on the field that are all educational and are already happening. Those are the only ones that we'd be having. We wouldn't be adding anything new to that. Yes, we appreciate the emphasis of that clarification. So, that I will move on to comment number 4. So, this is regarding what the final grade might look like on the site. So, you know, there'll be some excavation of the space needed to establish that sub base to support the field and the drainage and everything. So, on sheet 1.1 that I believe Marla has just brought up for us. It states final grades in this area may vary based on amount of excess fill from the project. So, we just wanted to hear from you kind of what that variation might look like. If you could speak to putting more bounds on that. Um, just if you can. Yeah, so right now, if you go out to this field, basically, you can see that the parking lot in the school sit a little bit lower than the existing fields right now. And there's a little slight slope up to them and our point with sort of that note in that area would be that we would. Extend that slope a little bit closer to the field. So, effectively, it wouldn't feel a whole lot different, but it would be a place to store excess fill. Obviously, we're taking away a lot of material to dig out the field and put in this turf and the stone and stuff. That will support the field and we're hoping to keep a lot of that material on site and not have to truck it off. So, that area we're kind of looking to. Take up with some excess fill. So it will it could be a difference of 3 to 4 feet, but I don't think it would visually look different. It would just sort of blend in kind of as the hill does today or no, it won't be like a mound. Right. Okay. Yeah, I think maybe the one consideration I would have is, you know, a strong water team did work with you on this one and reviewed this project. And so, I just, you know, I don't know if changing the slope at all would would be of any interest to them. But I guess that's something that I would be curious on their feedback on, I guess, or if you could define the parameters a little bit. Yep. Tighter or I don't know. So, I haven't heard back from storm water yet. I did reach out to see if they have come up with anything right now. The steepest that I know it looks really steep in that little section there, but those are still 4 or 5 on ones, which is a pretty gentle slope. It'll still be grass. I don't expect there to be any extreme erosion or anything like that. Most of not changing the hydrology. The area. It this is a high point fields are high point. It slowly drains down to a low point down by proctor abs. So it's effectively keeping the same hydrology. It would just sort of be a place used to to tuck and fill. And we could try to gentle up that slope as much or as little as. The board like the only reason I was showing it a little bit tighter is so we could limit some of that disturbed area. But you could push that slope, make it more gentle even and and feel more of that area. Thank you anything else from the board or staff. Okay, great. So the next item is about potential protections for an existing 12 inch tree. That's on the west side and of the existing track. So, could you speak to any potential protections that might be put in place to ensure that that tree is. Preserved in the midst of grading and all that, even though it's not directly in the project area. Yeah, I tried to limit the scope of grading if you kind of zoom in on I don't think that's it's it's for the north. Yes. It does and actually the tree doesn't look like a tree. It looks like a circle of the dot in the middle of it. Okay. But I tried to limit you can see the the grading sort of ties into existing grade at that location. So we won't be adding fill around the base of the tree. And we won't be removing material from around the tree. It is a 12 inch tree. Normally 12, the caliber of the tree can sort of give you an estimation about the root ball as well as the the canopy of. The tree that normally pretty consistent of inches to feet. So, basically the root ball would be about 12 feet and so is the the bulbus of the tree. We can we'd be happy to put some erosion prevention sentiment control around that sort of at the limits of the root ball 12 to 15 feet sort of. Diameter around that tree. Okay, and just for moving forward with that, that's. We wouldn't need an updated plan that just a condition we could write in specifically around that. Okay, great. Any other comments from the board. Right and moving on to comment number 6. So, we were anticipating updated storm water comments sounds like we're still waiting on those. Yes. So, I don't know, I guess, I don't know. I don't know procedurally more like what that means for sure. So the board can accept no information after the hearings closed, including from internal city departments. Um, do you have you or Greg have any sense, like, if their comments are likely to be something. Substitutive I can explain sort of. What we went through to develop the storm water that. Would give the board a better feel of what we're playing talk to our city storm water department and all though. Yes. Okay. What was their initial feedback? Like, the fact that we were reducing the impervious surface and doing a heavy amount of pervious paper. I think was I got a, yes, we're very excited about that sort of email from, I believe, Melissa. Yeah, I talked to Marisa as well and she, she said that she was trying to get to this, you know, but it sounds like she was going to formalize some, some off the cuff comments, but it didn't sound substantive to me. Okay, the level of review. Okay, so here's what I would recommend in this case, since it sounds like the condition might be sort of like. EPSC related or, you know, small detail related, the city's storm water ordinance applies regardless of whether the DRB has issued a decision on the project or not. If they were saying that the storm water standards of the LDR weren't being met, I would have more concern, but it sounds like it might be details that are covered by the storm water ordinance. So, I think that the board can probably receive and let the storm water department cover storm water related stuff. That sounds okay. I mean, I hate to like. Steamroll city department, but it sounds like. You know, they have the opportunity and the comments aren't anything to worry about. I mentioned 1 other thing that could help your decision. This project is going through the active 50 process. So it will also be looked by at by state entities. It will have a state. Erosion prevention and sediment control permit required and there's an existing storm water permit on this site. So, state storm water will also look at it. So, I think it's going to kind of go through quite a few storm water. If the city storm water department does have big, big questions, they can request. You know, reconsideration just like an applicant could request reconsideration for information that came to light after hearing was closed. Overall, you've reduced the runoff from the site. Yeah, we've reduced impervious surface by almost 0.7 acres. And you have more infiltration than you did before. Yes. So, it's a, it sounds like we would be in the position of closing the hearing with. Small, it sounds like low risk, low risk for the storm water department to ask for reconsideration. So that that sounds fair. Great, thank you. So, moving on to comment number 7. This is about the requirement around bicycle storage. So, it looks like at this point that has indicated that the capacity of rice is 500 students. So, based on the LDRs, this would require required 25 short term bike parking spaces. The current plans propose 9. New bike wraps or bike. Yeah, storage racks and then there's a new location of an existing. School yard bike style rack. So, I think. Or so, I'm just going to read this now. That's context that requirements of board require the equivalent provide as a condition of the approval. A table calculated the plan capacity of the existing educational facility. So, you know, a revisit at that 500 number in case it's different at all, just confirming that the number of short term bike parking space is required. And then an inventory of all existing and proposed short term. I think maybe it's just not clear what is fully on the property currently. And then demonstrating that it will need that minimum requirement. And again, this could be a condition of approval. That you can provide after awards, right? Yeah, and Greg actually did get this to me, even ahead of this meeting. So, on top of that. Okay, great. So, it sounds like you're okay with providing that because he already did and we'll make sure that's all in compliance. Sorry, is that something in supplemental that you want to pull up? If you want to, yeah, I mean, it's just, I think I maybe miscounted when I wrote this staff report, but. It was just exactly what I had asked for in the condition of approval, just laying it out pretty simply. Just the numbers and locations. So, providing the detail needed to confirm that there will be enough bike parking on the property. Well, now I'm curious and I want to look at the plans. Oh, it's just a picture. It's just a picture, but this is this. This is not the plans. Yeah, there's, there's, there's what 13, 14 new. You rex, don't that's an existing 1, right? And that's why that's a lot. Yep, so there's, I think there's going to be a collection of 2 sort of spots out by the field 1 by the baseball field 1 by the football field. And then we added a very larger 1 kind of closer to the entrance of the school. Right. And again, we, we designed a pervious. Way to put those in very good. Alright, that brings us to the end of the red comments. I did just feel like it might be worth noting the last point. That's not in red about exterior lighting. So. There's no newer revised exterior lighting proposed at the time of the application. A lot of times, you know, that is in conjunction with a turnover to a turf field. So worth highlighting. Marlar Marty is could you also speak to if there's any restrictions because this is a conditional use of any potential future lighting or just speak to that. Just so I know we have members of the public here as well. Sure. Yeah, so as a conditional use any amendment to a conditional use also triggers a conditional use application. So, because rice exists as a conditional use anytime rice wants to do pretty much anything they need to come in for a conditional use conditional uses our board applications. They cannot be done administratively. So, there is no real mechanism for us to prove anything to happen at rice without coming to the board here. Anything of significance beyond the zoning permit, you know, to do like a wall or something. So, the conditional use process always involves public hearing and installing exterior lighting is a not currently permitted based on the zoning district and be even if it were to be permitted or if rice wanted to submit an application anyway. That application would have to come before this board and be warned as this meeting was warned to that process is is non negotiable and as as Quinn noted, I'm not part of this application. And just to touch on that somewhere saying, if they increase the sound system or something to accompany again, sometimes what we see would turn over to turf field all that would fall into that as well. Just to kind of emphasize those pieces that aren't proposed currently, but if at any point where they would come back to this board and a public process. So, and so we work through the staff report. I think we have some members of the public here that might want to make comments before we take public comment. Do you have any closing remarks or notes? You wanted not much. Thank you guys for considering us. We did want to ask if there wasn't a whole lot of pushback about the project. If there was an opportunity to waive the appeal period. Just because we are kind of tight on time, but that's just a question. It's not. Yeah, absolutely. So the appeal period for a decision is 30 days that can be waived with the signature of the applicant property owner and all interested parties. So that'd be most of the folks in the audience here tonight would all qualify as interested parties. So if you could get signatures from everyone here and I guess those participating online as well. It's only people who have participated in the hearing. Oh, sure. Okay. So, so if you're here and you don't care, then, and you don't say anything, then they don't have to get your signature. And is there a chance we could just get the list sort of later on next week or something like that? Yeah, I mean, it should be signed in. Yeah. Appreciate it. Yeah, of course. All right. I could just one other thing and just emphasize that, you know, again, we're focusing on preexisting uses of the fields. And, you know, we do have situations where, you know, some of our diocesan diocesan schools have already been using the fields. Nothing else is changing beyond that, but they will probably still be using them for those particular situations. Excellent. Thank you. Yeah. And thank you very much for everything. Yeah. Thank you. All right, so this is the point where we would take public comment. I'm going to start with the folks that are in the room. If you would like to make a public comment. You can use this podium that's to my right or left. And you can come on up or if you have questions. Yep, do you have do you want to. Yeah, and we just have to have you use the yep. And when you get up to the podium. Yeah, could you just state your name and if your address just so we know your relationship to the project. I'm Lonnie Robbins and I live 69 joy drive in the condos that are butted up to this property line where the I'm assuming where, where the new turf is going to go. I have a question about runoff. If we were to have a significant snowstorm rainstorm. Where does it go when it melts. I would all that water and moisture be accounted for. Sorry, just for clarification of public process we typically how this runs is may comments and we're going to be making decisions on it so you can direct comments to us. If you want to ask questions of the applicant, they're not obligated to respond, but just the nature of it is you should try to direct your comments to the board. Oh, okay. Yeah, I was. But yeah, no, no, your sign of it and the materials. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so since since you did direct that if the applicant has a response, go right ahead. But that was just more of a general for everyone. So, thank you. This, this entire property is under an existing. State storm water permit. And so the whole thing kind of the high point of the property is kind of over by the softball field and they kind of all internally drains into this. Towards the school where it's collected and either catch basins or drain band holes and stuff like that and actually directed around the building. Marla, if you could kind of go to the corner where it meets proctor have on the. You might have to go to the first page or zoomed out. So, so recently rice with the city developed a storm water pond. It's going to be a gravel wetland. Sorry, it might be on the next page. And so you can kind of see the limits of the grading on this plan up in the top left hand corner. And so the intent is that this, this really wouldn't change that hydrology. The whole project would still go in that direction and be collected in that storm water treatment system. It would now just be receiving 0.7 acres less of impervious than it was designed for. But that is how the whole property drains kind of from the high point up where the softball field is down towards proctor street. Thank you. Any more comments from anywhere in the audience. Yep. Go right ahead to the podium. And again, just a reminder when you get there if you could state your name and your address. It's helpful for us. Hi, I'm Kelly McClintock. I am the field hockey coach at rice along with the lacrosse coach. I don't know much about the building and X's and those these guys are amazing what they do. But I wanted to just get up and advocate for my athletes, especially the female athletes. Our field hockey field at rice is not legal. We can play home games there, but come play off time. If we are a top seat, we never can host. So there is no home field advantage. We've won multiple championships, but we never can host a home game. And especially representing female athletes. It's a killer, you know, to see all the male sports get to have home games or playoffs and females not. I want the best for the female athletes. Some would say, well, why not just play on top of the football field? Well, football cleats dig a lot deeper field hockey. You need a flat surface. So those surfaces don't work out well to share the space and this would solve a lot of the problems. And then with lacrosse. We've had many seasons where we're four weeks in the gym, because we get unexpected snow storms and we've had games where our first time on the field is our first game, which doesn't necessarily set our athletes up for success. And I'm just here to advocate for our athletes and wanting the best for especially the female athletes is would provide immense opportunity for them. That's it. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else in person in the audience want to provide comment. Yep, come on up. Oh, sorry. Yeah. If you win the front want to come in and we'll bring you up. I am jam honey and 69 joy drive. I'm on the east side of the football field. So, I'm just wondering. You're taking down the bleachers. How are people going to watch the football games? What are you putting up? Are there any plans for viewing this games? If you don't mind responding. I have to. I think we do show a few sort of sporadic bleachers around. We've also developed sort of a in between area in between both the. Football field and the baseball field where. People can stand and watch, but that large bleacher complexes is proposed to be taken out and not put back in. Is there a reason for it being taken out? It's mostly because we needed the space to fit it in for the turf. Yeah, they fit both of the the fields and some safety concerns as well. Hi, my name is Jonathan. I have 1 child at rice and soon to be 2 and. A 3rd 1 coming eventually I wanted to advocate for the field for the baseball. Reason in Vermont, the baseball season is very, very, very, very short. And this field will. Really help aid the students at rice to get on the field much earlier. Anyone that's been part of the baseball season here knows that it starts. Late April at the best and then sometimes you get pushed off the field, even in the middle of the summer or in the middle of the end of the end of the season because of weather. These fields are so well designed to. Get rid of water and allow people to be able to play on them early in the year. The rice boys will start practicing. About, I think, April or March, March 18th, and they'll be in the gym all the way until. Game 1, which is whenever they left outside. So this field is going to allow them the opportunity. You know, today is a beautiful day. They could have been outside playing on that field today, but they wouldn't be allowed to do that. If they don't do the upgrade to to to just want to advocate for the baseball players. Excellent. Thank you. And I didn't see anyone other hands, but just want to. Going on, it's going twice for folks in the audience. And then with that, is there anyone online members of the public? If you want to make a comment, please. Make that known. Go ahead. Oh, can my my audio. We can hear you. Okay, great. I'm Joe Larkin. I'm, I'm a south branch and resident for rice grad and I'm in support of this project. I pulled the school diagram on the project team to help get it this far. I just, as we discuss, sort of limiting use on the field and understanding that it is a conditional use and that we don't want this to be recreation facility. I just asked the board and to deliberate and think about an old sort of a flexible approach to limiting the space rice in my mind does not need to use this as a recreational facility or broader but I the idea of field sitting empty. When they can be being used by the broader community as well if it makes sense for rice is something I want to caution against I suppose I suspect rice would be fine with limiting use to only a bright student athletes. And, you know, maybe some under schools, but I think we want to make sure that we balance that so that these fields can become a broader resource. So that's just a thought as I as I've been working on this. Great. Thank you. Not seeing any other online commenters. Oh, then. Yeah, the last comment just got me thinking, you know, I don't know how to. Oh, sorry, just, I guess your name son. Could you state your name? Sorry. Oh, yes. Sorry. Benton Taylor and I live at 69 joy drive as well. Sure. The last comment just got me thinking about, you know, if the, the way that rice uses the field or, you know, if they were to rent out to other teams programs, whatever, how like the excess noise excess traffic. And that might affect the people that do live behind those. Thank you. All right, I don't think we have anyone else online. And with that, with all those public comments, I think we are in the position to close this hearing we're not waiting for anything else. I have a motion to quote. I'm sorry, I moved close. Second second. All right. All those in favor of closing, say I, I. Against abstain motion carries. Hearings closed and you'll be hearing from us. Thank you. I'll just pull up the minutes. Yes. And as a reminder, we're just going to quickly. Approve some minutes. So there are, I believe, two sets of minutes. There's the December 5. And there is January 17. Any edits or comments on the draft minutes we have. All right, doesn't sound like it. So I entertain a motion to approve. Second. Excellent. All those in favor. I against abstain motion carries for approval of the minutes. And that leads us to agenda item. Now, number seven. And we might have some. Unfortunate news on this front. I don't know if you guys were already counting while you're in the audience. But Stephanie is recused and. That means we do not have a quorum. And unfortunately, that means we can't hear this project tonight. So we also cannot vote to. To continue. But what that means is staff basically gets the authority to decide when to continue it to. Okay. The only thing on the next agenda is that. So I think that the next hearing should be fine. Okay. We apologize for that. We were not anticipating not having a quorum. Otherwise we would have. So can you guys be here on the 19th? I can, but we'll speak for. Oh, very looks at the back there. Yeah, that's fine. We were holding out. I think the 19, we can make the 19th work. Okay. So rescheduling for the 19th. And I don't anticipate any form issues that night. Okay. And then is it. I was playing out being here later. So if you guys want to hang out and talk. I'm happy to do that. Yeah. If you want to take that opportunity to like clean up any lingering stuff. So you have a really fast hearing on the 19th. Absolutely. Well, I just meant like the next 10, 15 minutes too. Yeah. All right. Well. Thank you very much. I guess. At least kind of hadn't come in this evening. It's up too soon. Thank you. All right. And so. We do not need to vote to close, but I will say the meeting has closed. Or ended. I don't adjourned. Thank you. I forgot the language. The meeting is adjourning at 746 p.m.