 just need a motion to exit executive session okay all in favor all right coming out so do we need a motion for the letters of statements or just reference that's reference so the only action that will take so in regards to the avon avon drive discussion is that therese through the town will issue a letter of response in regards to that and then in regards to the use of class 4 road for cattle as well as manure issues of complaint that that two things let's read off because it's easier that the town attorney has reviewed the law on this issue and has found nothing indicating that cows cannot use the town highway right of way to reach their pasture in addition he says there is no requirement that they only cross the road where necessary and that that the town's position is based on I'm sorry that the complainants issue is based on a misreading of the cattle crossing sign statute the statue only pertains to the installation of cattle crossing signs not where their cows can use the town highway right away contrary to contrary to the position the complainants Vermont law actually requires drivers bicyclists pedestrians and others in the right road right away to use responsible precautions so as as to not frighten or scare animals that are in the town right away as per 23 vsa 11 27 thus the thus unless the cows are running at large there is no prohibition to prohibition on cows using the right of road right away to reach pasture and no requirement that they only cross the town highway when necessary according the town will not direct the rights to stop using right road to take their cows to pasture on the issue of the manure the town is discussing the compost issues with the rights this situation with manure is not one that the trash ordinance was designed to regulate and the plant and the town plans to clarify the ordinance in the future so we had already taken care of the the agenda prior so now we will open it up to public comment so we have one in person and one online so we'll go in person first there's nobody sorry just make sure you state your name even though we know who you are I just I'm gonna comment on his response the lawyer's response the the law means I believe the signs will be erected I think the state statue says that the signs will be erected where cows must use a town road and I understand if they if they need if they must use a town road but this isn't a case of that and I just wondering how you figure it's in the best interest of the townspeople the general public to be forced to drive a lot bike whatever recreation through their Kalman or and also when they move them they it's a milk cow so they move in morning and night you know maybe three days this week maybe four next or what you know if they rotate but when they do any it's at any given you never know what time it is so it's anywhere between say seven to nine thirty in the morning and at night probably from three to six you can't use the road road is blocked the cows block the whole road and also they are packing down the ditches and stuff so I'm just I'm just getting your input or I'm asking you to act on it because how is it in the best interest of the general public in the that you that you are entitled to use that land to have to drive their vehicles walk through their camera I guess that's my yeah I mean I think at this point that the statement that we had read is is what the thoughts of the board as well as guidance through the through our town attorney so I don't I don't know if there's any further discussion that needs to happen on that but I mean do you think it's in the best interest of the public you like to go up there every day to your property and after if you want to ride your bike up there have to ride through Cal Cal manure or turn around and wait a half hour for the cows to come down the road is that right when they can use their own I understand if they don't they had to use the road but they don't have to use they have they've got 370 acres they own both sides of the road part of the road part of the way and they own the other side of the road the rest of the way there's no need it's not a must to use the road so we talked about in there that that Teresa as a representative of the town will be reaching out to the rights in regards to the manure and is yeah they've got liquid manure just like just like Jeff Townsend and they're using a spreader that's not designed to spread liquid manure they're using a spreader that's open top spreader this for solids so if they fill it more than half full when they go down a hill it all comes to the front and of course they're going to want to fill it more than half full to make the trip and it slots out over the front when they go uphill it slots out the back you see pictures of it I mean it's where bearable is where they don't tell me not on that it's dangerous there's no need of it if they get the right equipment Jeff Townsend hauls manure from Randolph to Stockbridge in in tank spreaders and I never seen him in on four times the cows they've got and there's never there's nothing or slopped in the road it's dangerous to tell me it's currently covers you know the entire town so that'll be part of the conversation with them is with new words everywhere I mean it would have to be everywhere we can't just enforce it on you know I mean it's it's difficult we will but we'll speak to them about it being everywhere as I'm saying it's not just on right road it will be love to talk to them in regards to the ordinance and and and what the options are no idea why huh oh it's Leonard's microphone Leonard can just me please thank you just perfect thank you sorry so anyway also for them to get the right equipment to transport the manure but anyways I'll have a conversation with them as the statement said that we're discussing the compost issue with the rights and the situation is not what the trash ordinance was intended for or designed to regulate so we'll clarify the ordinance in the future you're saying all roads right excuse me all roads all roads I'm talking about moving the cow the cows what yeah the statement was that we're not going to direct them to stop using right road to take their cows a pasture because our attorney feels that you're you misinterpreted the statue he gave us his interpretation of the statue so he's the lawyer so that's what we'll so that's just so you're not so you're not looking to even though they have a different way that they can move their cows you're not looking out for the best interest of the whole public the way you're supposed to in my understanding it's supposed to be you're supposed to be for the all the people of the town not just to be not just a farmer because it's more convenient for them but go ahead your attorney and ours yeah so I'm at this point Brian that our town attorney has reviewed reviewed all the information that you that you had given us and he's pretty well versed of where the locations are because he's been up there with us on on the walk that we did and though that's the guidance that he's issued us at this point based upon what our current ordinances our state state statues etc so so that's that is the position that we we have taken at this point so Lenny did you have something and you got it can't hear you we can't hear you he's unmuted but doesn't appear your mic is working yeah we can't hear you oh no you can type type it in the chat type it in the chat yeah or just take your time typing it in we can always answer it at some point of if it takes you a while to get it in there yeah he's Paul did you have anything the only other person that's on so oh can you hear me yep yeah no no just the complimenting everybody on the continuing work to repair the roads and dealing with femur and all that kind of good stuff hearing a lot of good things a lot of folks are asking me questions and try to explain to them about the process of dealing with femur and they seem to understand it so it's all good thank you okay so Lenny's question or Leonard's question is how old is this law but I don't know what law this the statute that we had referenced Lenny you talk about the trash ordinance or the state law state law okay I don't know with the state law I can't tell you I can quote the statute that the lawyer is you know is referencing 23 BSA one one two seven but I don't know when that law was enacted and the trash ordinance was passed just a couple of years ago two years ago no sorry I don't know it must have been the way you signed on or something must be there okay all right anything else anything else public comment wise okay here and none we will move on so we have an appointment request for an appointment for the energy committee anybody was here to represent this gentleman Steve's message through our Scott Putney sent the message for Steve okay so just need a motion to appoint Steve to the energy committee so move second all right all in favor all right so what does that leave the energy committee at now Jean three three Scott yeah do we still have four four four are there still gentlemen Vince Vince Scott Vander Chris and now also five yeah that's all in town no as Vander's in East Bethel Chris is in Barnard I think but East Bethel would still be East Bethel's yeah okay so we have one one non voting I guess number Chris no he votes they allowed because okay I didn't let him we could have members from out of town okay just like we used to Chris Jeff one a couple other people Chris is very good yeah okay that's good yeah I don't and the Knights of Columbus we're looking at doing charitable coin collection on church streets for October 7th 8 to 12 just need a motion to approve that the I have gonna I appreciate the traffic diagram even though it's very difficult to figure out so I appreciate the effort but yeah but the map I was looking at going yep I don't really understand any of those positions so we had a second and all in favor so you just need to sign it right and then we had the facility use policy which last time we had sent it back to get some information in regards to individual umbrella policies for individuals to have yes and what that information may be which looks like after yes I don't know where I read it but somewhere around yeah $75 yep I had talked to I went on line to do the tulip process and and it quoted me for a birthday party $75 for 250,000 in coverage I also heard from Washburn Wilson and they said you know a typical homeowners policy can provide some liability coverage but they recommend people get an event policy and I think their estimate was maybe 75 to 125 so you know it depends on what insurance you have but certainly the tulip process was you know I wasn't sure how expensive it would be the one that VLCT passive offers so I mean I guess I mean looking at that I guess $75 for a event policy isn't too unreasonable kind of looking through it like that I mean yeah considering if somebody was injured but it's gonna cost you if they sue you what's the board starts on that because that was the only missing link of information to put in this policy I don't think it's unreasonable I think that it is not it is unreasonable for them not to be covered in the fence that was the rest of the board feel it seems like adequate enough coverage yeah so I can't remember if we had taken that it's still in the policy right it's under security deposit insurance so we wouldn't be making a amendments then no I put in there I just said if the facility is being rented user will need to provide the town proof of liability coverage they'll protect the town from a third-party lawsuit and then we do say they can go to this gather guard and get it to okay so was there any further discussion in regards to the policy maybe something that might have come up over the last couple weeks no nothing so we have a motion and second by Lindley all in favor okay so we'll pass it around for your signatures and I guess what we can do while we're signing that we just have trees can update us a little bit on where we stand on some of the flood repair activities all right so so as far as the flood repairs we currently have three contractors still working Dan McCullough is doing North Road and the pipe just came in today it was just delivered to the town garage this morning so that's so he's working on that Dylan McCullough has one last piece to do up on Deering because it's some people are concerned that they're not they're concerned about emergency vehicles if they could come you know if they could get in completely or not so that he's wrapping up his version or his list of emergency repairs then same thing with WB Rogers they're wrapping up their piece as well so all the bids now are out like there's one for the West Quadrant there's one for Cleveland Brook Road there's one for Woodland there's one for Sandhill and Peaveyne and maybe there's one more that's going to go out on Camp Brook there's or there's three that are gonna go out on Camp Brook I'm gonna do a small one which is a bank armament of 18 inch culvert removal and or replacement and maybe armoring a bigger culvert but the River engineer Jerron Borg is going to meet with Du Bois and King on another project up there so he's gonna take a look at that and see how far back we can go I assumed it was only 25 feet from the center of the road but apparently he can deem that we go a little farther so he's gonna let me know so that will be a bid then of course Du Bois and King is currently engineering two large culverts you know together to the tune of about $800,000 and if we get those done by the fall then that is fully covered 100% by federal highway if if we cannot hit that date and one of them becomes permanent work it's an 80-20 split and other things come into play that we we'd want to avoid so what last time I spoke to or emailed with John Ashley and John Kenny they felt like we were hopefully on target to get it done this fall I'd even said that we'd be willing to bid them as two separate projects and have two separate contractors if it meant achieving our goal that's 100% so we're working on that I can't remember honestly let's see I think so it must be because yeah it is spindly's in the West yeah well we still have that's actually still doing emergency repair out there because I forgot yes Derek Algegetti is still working and he's hauling material from the quarry so that he's still doing emergency repair so we still have three contractors that are out well before doing emergency repair work and then the permanent work will go out in that are already out in the bids those bids are do I believe it's next week I had some do one day some do another and we did extend the date to November 17th trying to attract as many bidders as we could and give people flexibility especially if we have if one bidder work is awarded several grants or several sections but the road crew is prepared to work with someone to either grade or haul material or you know do what we need to do to help help that but with this point we're just waiting to see you know how the bids come in and how they're divvied up and so and Leonard is saying I want to thank the select board and repair team for their timely and excellent repairs that were done on old route 12 so there's still is a section that's coming Leonard that somebody else is gonna fix as part of a bid but your culvert I know got replaced the other day so by the road crew the road crew is also finishing their force of count work and they may want to I was just driving on that road today they may want to regrade that road it's yeah even though that it's very passable now it's rough well there's still a section that went out to bid okay so does that hold that whole I would have to look at the bid I have too many out of this we want to take much but it just needs to get yeah so so being that being that the last month has been spent with our forces for the most part doing flood repair stuff as well yeah what what have we lost on our end of normal maintenance this time of year that we're behind on or are we yeah so we're we're we I we're behind on grading and obviously there's probably some other culverts that the guys were would have replaced instead of the ones they've been replacing a couple of them are ones they wanted to do but I would say that we're definitely behind on grading we're not behind on winter prep we've talked about that so that's okay we still I had a conversation with Morgan today about salt and radar blades and chains and and all that but currently I would say we're you know behind on grading and any priority that we had of culvert replacement because there was one that we didn't receive a grant for we were gonna do but you know we're not gonna have time to do that now maybe the culvert replacements will take a may not get to a but it's not the end of the world right exactly the other thing next year and just some grading and there's quite a few culvert replacements in these bids do some of them are just go dig out one end and let me know what you got because I could only see one end especially doing wittier but then there were others that were you know obviously trash that would be total replacement so we're definitely gaining ground I mean we would not have prioritized replacing multiple culverts on woodland so those will be new so there are some benefits you know you have to look at the positive side and again the the new flood issues that we've had does bring up that whole other question of you know adds to some of the roads we're talking about now on are they classified correctly should we be looking to reclassify certain things like you know you start looking at woodland right yeah like why is it class three all the way up here exactly shouldn't it maybe stop here yeah maybe there's only you know there's only one camp or two three accesses up there or something yeah we have a bunch like that there is the road already has they gave me a list they have several that they want to see discontinued as well because they just it's you know it's great some and actually there's a couple that they gave me where the residents want us to discontinue it right so those will be be nice to I don't know I don't know how our doesn't seem like we have a whole lot on our agenda until October when budget starts kicking in a little bit but maybe there's some opportunities to at least start kicking it around and yeah I don't know it's it's gonna be honestly at this point it's not your time it's my time because now I just got assigned a PDMG today for FEMA I have a phone conference with him Wednesday and then and then it's you know filling out some of the forms and seeing what they're gonna do for us versus what we need to do so that'll be the time suck is not on your end is on mine so we'll see how that goes and of course to I mean I hate to say it but we're also you know gonna be heading into budget season again so because it seems like each flood that we get we get those like oh I didn't know this is a no it's very true then we got to do something about it yeah top of Gilead and not just you know where maybe if it was a class for there was right other options of doing or not true enough so how does the disaster like this impact our budget on it impacts your budget because it's gonna cost you 12 and a half percent so of whatever we repair so we will get 75 percent from the federal government we'll get 12 and a half percent from the state and then the town has to cover 12 and a half percent and if you remember from our budget last time we had been budgeting for e-raff to pay off Pinello Bridge at $1.1 million bridge to one house so this and so what's gonna happen is we will end up you know continuing on with our e-raff payments basically raising it in the budget to move it to the general fund to pay or move it to the excuse me capital fund to pay it off because basically you're borrowing from yourselves right now so like right now the campwork road if if we are successful of getting everything out bid and done then campbook road is a hundred percent federal funded and hopefully that won't affect us at all so and that's a big ticket that's a big ticket you know that's a you know probably close to million dollars now the rest of the work of course we had to flood we had the Friday well they're calling it one flood event okay they have yeah originally it was FEMA one and FEMA two was how we were coding everything but they have what they have not provided us with as an end date I mean if I had to guess you're probably you know I think we're probably in a million dollar bracket for the other pieces which so we're on the hook for probably a hundred and ten thousand dollars so here's here's the way I asked the question we've had the state of Vermont has had 17 such events since I mean we're including we've had three right we've had Irene and we had the two we had one a couple years ago we had April 2019 and then we had four since I've lived here yeah because we had the 2006 one that took out campbook road remember the well I'm asking because the storms are getting worse we're likely to have more frequent 100 year funds and I'm just wondering if we are not when we get the budget building time if we wouldn't be wise to begin thinking about do we need a contingency well we certainly put aside money every budget for capital roads so we do have money in the capital roads fund and that we could use we've just been budgeting for the e-raff just because it you know because for the bridge of such a pricey item it just kind of made sense to do it that way so we do have capital funds to do that I think certainly could increase your appropriation to the capital roads on just yeah yeah the good news is one rich yeah some of the stuff that we did in 2019 I don't think we're redoing now actually not really no no because it's two the two culverts on big culverts on campbrook were not we're not a part of the other one and I don't think any of the work that we're doing now is actually work I don't think that we did in 2019 maybe something on Christian Hill but you know better than me Dave I can't know they're going to yeah it's kind of odd like yeah that one I have a bit outperm we never know when they're gonna hit or if they're gonna hit I'm just right the way things are going yeah I just wondering yeah we I don't want to necessarily talk about I just want to raise the question yeah and we certainly have a discussion whether we're sufficient yeah we funding yeah the capital road budget it's true because that is something I talked to about my review is I want to nail down a capital road plan so my question to you the other day was the gravel because we when Dylan got done up there we got a nice wide road we have huge ditches that should be not so big yeah and it's dirt and there's lead showing everywhere and the last time they graded they scraped the top of the culvert so that's that plastic culvert is not supposed to be poking up through the ground I mean that's definitely one thing we have addressed in the last two budgets now is increase of gravel right hard at least all the way to the interstate yeah that's true that's totally true that's why I said in my review I want to work on a capital road plan I have given I created a binder I gave one to Ryan Slack one to Chris Jarvis one to Morgan AJ and you know to kind of sit down and now and quantify and now actually with a spreadsheet that Chris helped me build we better off to quantify count or calculate quantities for how much gravel it's gonna take to do some of this stuff and so it would be nice to kind of say okay you know what roads are we gonna hit and then then have a cycle of so we know we're gonna do whatever Christian Hill and then we're gonna go around but and Dave remind me I have not bid out perm road yet because I'm waiting for an H&H study from the state of Vermont to figure out that culvert mass it's a big culvert to a little culvert to a I mean as far as the thing up there as far as the flood activities go I think you know Jean is on to something that it seems like I mean in the 17 years I've been here I've been through four so about every four years yeah we're having an event right so is there something that maybe we start to think about building in when we can to you know can you just put it in the capital roads or does it becomes its own thing I don't know but yeah I know that challenge is having been a part of the last three floods here that they're they've all been different and and that's been the challenging piece like if you wanted to say like like I'll make it up for instance like often people will say well if we just upgraded all these culverts we wouldn't have these issues right but like if you look at this flood this flood versus the 2019 flood versus the Irene flood they all affected different areas of the town so there was there was got it every time now there's a couple there are a couple of areas that's precisely my point but there will be other roads but I just want to share through my observations of being out there and have looked at every square foot of road just about at this point which is sad to say because it takes a lot of time but is a majority from what I see there are cases where reasonably we could do something more like a little more armor and maybe go up one size culvert you know you get to one you know a certain size you really can't go any bigger so there are some of that a majority of the issues that I have seen are things that it comes off of third party so it comes off of citizens private property on to the public highway so like a perfect example is is right down the road from your your place if you if you go down Finley Bridge Road I don't know the name of the property but it's after you go through that section where there's really nothing no houses that very next house it's kind of on the corner right there yeah that whole road got washed out all that water came off the property above that and it just get right through it and then I don't think there's anything that we could have done to save that right so those become the challenge ones because we can't really what do we do you know you know maybe there's an opportunity you know for FEMA or working with people to build their properties better well there is now certainly as far as when you do it get a driveway permit you know there are rules about how it needs to be and where the water needs to go and that your road should be digital some of these driveways are really old but Dave made a good point about Sandhill and I am getting an H&H study on that so basically someone's gonna come out and look at the bank full width and the velocity of the water and make sure yeah and yes exactly and see what we're gonna do there but anyways you're right Jean certainly it's a conversation how we're doing budgets about you know do we need to increase what we're putting aside in capital roads so sure you're either gonna pay for it in any raft or appropriation of capital the point is you're gonna pay for yeah and the part that I'm irritating me a little bit is the ANR is saying all that trash is getting in the river and the brooks lead it well when you have the water the height there was all that trash goes down and then right over the culvert boom right it's true because that is what they their belief about leaving trees and the broken things they're their feeling is if it hits the embankment and then sediment comes and they're adding you know fish habitat as well as armoring kind of naturally armoring yeah which is great if it goes in the right as it is when it's hot in your bridge it's a whole other thing yeah we've talked about that but again a lot of the armament that has been done in the rarely gets touched because it's a double-edged sword the more armament you do it does protect that area but what it does do is it allows the water more momentum downstream so you'll find that often downstream from that got it harder than then not so I mean it's kind of a it's a challenge so but definitely something we probably shouldn't talk about moving forward on that means it yeah the average e-wrap is this per year things are anything we do in the future should be planning for resilience which means you know and then what and then we may want to consider increasing for the unexpected and we do take advantage of hazard mitigation grants and things like that I have one out on on Gilead that's being done right now McCullough Dan McCullough is doing that work on North Road we did the town decided to increase to a 20 I don't think it was 24 inch I think it might have been 18 and we're gonna go to a 24 inch because it just was the smart thing to do so we're not constant digging up so we have made some choices that will be for us to you know that we'll pay out of pocket but they just made sense to if you're gonna do that and repay it to do it right and also we located a drain there so it was paved over before so now we know it's there and we'll you know have a pump and so there's a few things about you know that catch basin that we located so we have been trying to be judicious but a lot of people are under the impression that we can fight quote-unquote you need to fight with FEMA to get what we doesn't work that way because basically they had make us adhere to our own codes and standards which we adopted we said 18 inch culverts we said this we said that that's the standard so that's the standard to which we need to adhere so when it comes time again to do those we could ask the state but it's also difficult you can't put a 60 inch culvert everywhere just because it might happen and you know it's the during the the flood on the Friday that state I talked to Chris Bump the district for project manager he said there's a huge boulder that just plugged that culvert he said we can't plan for that he's like that you know that just is just some of this stuff just happens and but certainly that was also part of the better connections don't forget we had 30% drawings on like three or four projects so there's that as well too so I feel like you know we're doing what we can as far as planning and and that but you know it rains and we clean up the mess at this point but I did ask for more H&H studies this time Sandhill you know a few places just to be like okay look if we're not visiting a work let's fix it right so certainly Sandhill because you're right that is a problem it's a problem area now some some areas that we can mitigate things like that would be when Therese does have time yeah really taking a look at some of these roads that we do have because you know we we we forget about it so all of a sudden we go what the bridge to what one house million dollars I mean so how many of those we have out there or that or that road that goes just to one camp that there might be a couple easements but there we have a lot of those out there we do and we also have those combo class three four roads right like yeah three to here and four to there why is this three and that was a costume by a guy who lives up or has a camp up on Therese yeah I said that's it's rock that's possible because I was up there I was interested so I made it I had a hard time getting up there for the drive so 2019 yeah three and it's class three around the corner and yeah four and you know I think that Todd may have gone up to grade it out but um yeah and we have a bunch of roads like that yeah well that's it and but it's class four so not necessarily gonna set a big precedent but yeah I'll look at the list of discontinuances because we know we have a piece on Sugar Hill that we need to deal with the state had asked us when they were rebadding and this is just a question mm-hmm if we thrown out there if we knew that we had eight of them let's say mm-hmm that are easy they'll say half the people want it right and they're easy ones is that something that we could do at town meeting day like you would have a no no because they need to all it's not a time they all have to be individually site visited and everybody has to be there like in that you know 30 days before you get a notice and so no it's not to do each one individually you do it's not up to the I mean you could do multiples in a day if you had three that were like right near each other you could do a site visit site visit site visit and then come back and go through your quasi judicial hearing process but it's up to the select board not yet the voters but that would be nice okay but to do it schedule all eight one day and by the third one we'll have a lot less people driving around with true I choose so I'll we'll get a list of the distance units because I know the road crew gave me some okay because those are the ones that when the flood time comes around you go because typically those roads are not maintained up to standards yeah and then you go whoa now we gonna invest $100,000 a year or a million dollar bridge or you know that adds up really fast and I hate to say it this time around a couple of those are more expensive ones are on roads like that again yeah no it says one but it says original one because I keep checked into thinking it's yeah no it's no on mine it is but it says I checked because I thought the same thing he's in the light he's in the light okay so town managers report anything left in there we didn't cover so we were awarded 2024 grants and aid for another hydrologically connected segment we haven't chosen where that is yet but that's nice because I was denied so I'm back on so that means potentially we'll do two two segments next year then we will because well we're doing we're doing one right now or we'll be doing one the bids are due this Thursday for Mackintosh so that's what I thought so this is no this is one next year so was the Mackintosh one that we're doing was that the money left over from no that was a different one okay so we could we passed on that one the only way so this is our new one so this one is to take the place of the other yeah okay yeah and and then we're not gonna be starting our water project on sand hill we're gonna start on crystal drive and Highland and maybe Graham it's because it's a chance to address the flood damage on sand hill and peave vine Boulevard also helps us not doing temporary water at a questionable time of year temporary water stinks on any time of year so so more pot hole patching so we did talk about that actually Morgan I and hopefully the next two weeks they're working with Richard so that they will go out and they have done some pot hole patching but they're gonna get campbrook I did apply for the two-part Merp Grant so the first part is the energy out of the town office I'm gonna submit a second one for town hall that makes us eligible for up to fifty thousand dollars in grant money to complete work found in the audit which would be great because if we get that five hundred thousand in here yep five hundred thousand what did I say fifty yeah oh five hundred thousand I'm sorry and yeah no so that would be great because if we are awarded that then we'd be able to be less money we'd use out of capital building fund so we could use that towards town garage the second grant we were awarded is the four thousand dollars to be used by the energy committee for outreach and education I'm just signing that today or tomorrow I guess the pool closes on Friday for the season so big thanks to D tree and the staff over there and then I put a little blurb in here about information regarding townwide reappraisal the years going to be there's a notice in the newspaper there's a notice on front porch form and there was a notice on Facebook just letting people know they're doing the townwide reappraisal so obviously people didn't call to ask questions so we after we saw a few responses we figured I don't normally respond and actually I never respond on Facebook but I did this time and we put it out on front porch form as well so just if you have not been following select board meetings the town of Bethel signed a contract in March of 2022 with NEMRIC to conduct a townwide reappraisal the town of Bethel has not had a reappraisal in over 13 years the cost of the reappraisal will be a hundred and twenty one thousand eighty dollars and take place over the next two years any change in value of your home due to the reappraisal will not take effect for two years now let's just stop there and say if you got a zoning permit you built a garage a deck of this about your value will change because we'll send someone out to appraise just on the reappraising just on that portion that you got a zoning permit for all property owners will be notified by change of appraisal notice we always do that every year anyways and that will continue we'll just be doing a mass mailing to everybody and people will be able to make an appointment to speak with NEMRIC regarding any change in value if they have questions or whatever will they'll be there's an opportunity to do that there's also a very equitable process laid out in state statute on if they did not get what they wanted from their meeting with the Listers or with NEMRIC there's a equitable process on how they can grieve to the board of civil authority and BCA some property values are going to increase and some will decrease based on you know depreciation property improvements land values etc so you know we hope I'll continue to read I guess Bethel has been saving money that we received every year from the state of Vermont as well as contributing to a capital reappraisal fund and that is how the reappraisal be paid for if you look in your March 2023 town report our capital reappraisal fund at that time had a balance of 211 058 so but here's the big misconception about town-wide reappraisals if the value of your property increases it does not mean that your taxes will automatically increase municipal taxes and school taxes are set on the value of the grand list grand list is the total value of all properties in Bethel if the grand list increases then we can raise the necessary amount of municipal tax money to provide service with a reduced tax rate and then I gave a math example of you know of how that works out because obviously if the grand list value rises and we only need this much tax money you know it can even out so people just get scared and nervous and it's always a funny story because when the bank comes to praise your house you want to be looking like you live in the Taj Mahal when the town comes to praise your house you want to be like it's an outhouse so you know there's a there's a there's a happy me that we need to find so we just wanted this information out because the reappraisal is going to start the end of August and I believe that the gentleman is going to start on Macintosh up in that area so postcards will be going out to property owners letting them know that somebody is coming and if you're not there there's a little notice that's put in a door and they can go right online and answer questions and fill out the information so that they don't have to come back so or they can so if you're home you make an appointment lock on the door and they'll go do a reappraisal it's very quick and painless so it's starting the end of the month well unless you have German Shepherd and then it could be painful that's right so there's that and I think that is it I don't think anything else came up since I wrote this so unless you know there's a thing in there if you want to go to town if anybody wants to go to town fair you can sign up for it or let me know and we'll sign you up also to this reminder property taxes are due tomorrow tomorrow's the 15th so earlier haven't paid your property taxes they are tomorrow so that's it perfect all right we have the select board meeting minutes from both the 26th of June and the 24th of July we couldn't do the 26th of June one at the last meeting because we only had three board members one of which was myself and I wasn't here for that meeting so so we'll have to approve those ones tonight so as unless anybody has anything on those we can approve those I see there's a question mark well we can when we do them individually so that the June 26 one so the only person that wouldn't vote on it would be me because I wasn't here everybody else was in attendance so anything on the June 26 ones that need to be amended or can we prove those has written okay moved by Jean second by Lindley all in favor okay and then we had the July 24th ones which Lindley wasn't here and Dave wasn't here so it was just the three of us it doesn't oh yeah never mind anything on those that any of us saw I didn't really see anything that popped out so just need a motion to approve the 24th of July okay and we can just do it all all in favor vote on that okay good we had no second just needs yeah well only three oh that's right okay that's right I forgot so we had other communications that were in there I I always got a laugh I mean it's nice that we got something from the constable and I understand that there are yeah a lot of things that can't go in it but then you just look at okay what is that right exactly I mean like like thank you but okay yeah this time there was a civil fraction that's closed right you know I I mean it would be nice if somehow like you could say I'll make it up that that was a speeding ticket for right 60 and 25 so at least we kind of know as a board like oh it looks like Pleasant Street's becoming an issue again with speed yeah you know I mean but we can't I don't I don't get anything out of this other and once while you see animal next to it so I'm assuming it was his other hat of you know dog but I mean I mean I appreciate that he put it in there I just is there any way he can I can ask can you listen rather than just be civil or criminal can you list like the infraction like speed so could we put like speeding ticket speed was like this doesn't have to tell the person's information or something but can we just yeah or maybe they're none of them speed maybe they're all yeah I don't know other stuff yeah I'll ask him because you're right I saw or something or if there's a way that you really can't do it then could he so could he or Justin come what we used to you know once a month and just report back to the board on this is what we're seeing like we're seeing an uptick in speed or we're seeing an uptick in vandalism or whatever it is that we can like we're part of the process I would say because he developed a software that he uses he uses spider data which is software he created so I would assume that he could put more information in here would be nice if we had that yeah I wonder if just pulling up an example because I think I know that Oscar made the software that Mark was using and when we used to get a report that from the same software and just showing Oscar an example from an old packet of what we used to get to see if he can recreate that report because they actually don't use oh they're not using we know okay Oscar wrote spider data and and so that's what he uses so it's a his own software program so which would tell me if it's his own software program he should be able to figure out the details of it yeah I think that Mark used to take his off from like Spillman probably so but I can and I think that Oscar still has to report don't be reports via Spillman or if his software goes you know automatically uploads to Spillman because he does have to report his own data in a couple locations every year so I'll ask him well he has to report him on a lot more details yeah to the state yeah so I'll ask him what one of those reports look like might give him what we're looking for so then you could go from there I'll find but yeah I can ask him because you should be able to do that he designed the software I imagine he can make it do it so but I'll show him what Mark used to give us and then it looks like the skate park phase 2 will start third week of August so next week yep so after the pool closes which is nice and then so what sorry to go back on the the water project so what's the time frame on the start for that now you said the location changes but so we're thinking right now it's the middle of September so and said so we I don't have a firm date yet on their start date they were Hebert was working in Montpelier when the flood came and they hadn't finished their project there so they were and they headed back to do that so the last I heard was gonna be the middle of September and they can get all of the water line for crystal drive installed before they do the pump station so that's kind of their plan is to focus on crystal drive instead which is a good way to do it and then once we build a pump station in the spring they'll be able to to go to you know hook it up and do all that stuff so the pipe will be in the ground so made sense so it'll be Highland Graham and so that oh and you also got that huge 12-page thing yeah it's like some trees but anyway so you got that so that's in there too I assumed you and Dave Eddie had seen it but I'm just put it in the packet anyway so everybody that was looking at it could see it we're looking you know what I mean right and they have been they have circulated some possible position descriptions so we can look at so you have an executive session and if you guys want to do it downstairs then we can clean up up here just quick note before we turn to executive session I will not be in person for the next meeting but you will be via zoom I will be there I will just not be in person all right well we were all gonna collectively try to remember you what you tell us yeah I know we it's embarrassing that we don't remember so well there's two weeks between it there's a lot on but still all right perfect thank you anything else to come before the board before we enter into executive session you just need a motion to enter executive session valuation of a town manager so moved second okay