 Coming to you live from Berlin, today we have the makers of Radio Cosmica Libre, a radio, DIY radio started in Mexico, so we have Rosora, coming to us live from Michoacán, Mexico, and Melissa, who you heard before, if you were tuning in from the Cyber Girls. Welcome both of you. Hey everyone, thanks Julio for introducing us, and thanks to all the team there at RC3 SolarPunk 2077. So yeah, basically we're gonna talk about what is Radio Cosmica Libre. So we have this project that we started back in 2019, so a year ago, in Mexico City. Haki and I, we were discussing about possibilities of having a collective and we came with the idea of a start in a radio. Yes, hello, oh sorry, hello, I'm Haki, thanks for having us. As Melly was doing the introduction, we had this idea of creating a feminist collective, because we thought it was really important to have a safe space for a woman in the scene, in musical scene, more than anything, because I'm also a DJ and an electronic music producer. So we were talking about creating this space in Mexico, and we started talking with Melissa about this idea of making interviews and asking some woman producers and DJs to share music with us, but I was thinking about doing it only like a pre-recorded audio, and then Melissa told me that she knew a couple of engineers in Mexico City that were developing this very interesting transmissor called Tiny Message, Mensajito, in Spanish. So that blew my mind and that was the start of this project, right Melly? Yeah, exactly, and as Haki said, it was a this transmissor that works with free hardware and it's open source. So basically, as you can see here in our picture, we have a Raspberry Pi, and that's it. I mean, what we need, basically the hardware that we need is a Raspberry Pi, some coding from our friends, and a mixer, a microphone, and internet. And with that, we realized thanks to our friends that have this project called Radio Nopal that they build these transmissors that we could also have our own radio and that we could have our own space to share whatever we wanted. And so we decided that we were going to focus on the underground music scene and from a feminist perspective, and also that we could like broadcast anything we wanted about politics and arts and so on. Yeah, so it actually blew my mind when Melissa told me about this transmissor because as you saw in the last picture, in the previous picture, we don't need a computer or we don't need any other kind of hardware to transmit. So you can plug directly to the Tiny Message, a little sound card or a microphone, and that's it. So that was the idea. And I want to talk you about our first transmission. We realized that having this open source technology allowed us to transmit live from almost anywhere. As Melissa told you, we only need internet and electricity to plug in. So our first transmission was from Guatemala from Lake Atitlan, a volcanic lake. And it was really, really symbolic for us because I would like to talk to you about why we are called Cosmica. Cosmica means cosmic in English. So why to use this word? When we were talking about the scope of this project as a feminist space, we were inspired by a Guatemalan woman named Lorena Carnal. She is a communitarian feminist from Guatemala. So it was really, it was really important for us to go live from there. We had some friends at a festival there, and they shared with us internet and electricity. And so that was it. Lorena Carnal talks about something she calls healing as a cosmic-politic path. So she talks about how a woman's body is her territory and how we need to heal it in a community. Even when Lorena Carnal is from a rural background, we took this word and inspired on her to build something in our cities where we are living currently in Mexico City and now here in Michoacán. But we took this inspiration from the community in Guatemala and brought us to our places. So it's really inspiring the work she's doing and how she talks about healing in a collectivity as a woman. And so the first transmission, as you can see in the picture, was talking about the electronic music scene since we were in a festival and how it's really important to talk about feminism in these spaces because they are not safe spaces for women. There's a lot of violence in these festivals and in the music scenes, the way they treat woman DJs and producers. Like if you wouldn't know how to plug in or like if you don't know how to play a DJ set or a live act, like if you are a woman, you cannot know how to plug or how to build some music or some hard work. So we really thought it was really important and we managed to do this talk with several women that were there in that festival, some friends. We had Mexican friends, Italian friends, another producer and DJ from California. So it was really important for us to link and also to exchange our opinions, especially in a festival where they tried to do a 50-50 line up but it didn't happen. So we thought it was really important to start talking about these subjects in these spaces. Yeah, exactly. So having the freedom that we have with the radio, we got to really just criticize from the inside of the monster, the festival itself and what was happening in the festival. And also under the words of Lorena Cabanal, we feel like we are a vital energy of transgression and that is like one of the main things we want to do with our radio too, which is like be rebellious and create an alternative to everything that we hear on the mainstream. So we have a wide array of themes that we cover in our radio shows. We talk, of course, we talk about feminism, we talk, we broadcast new music, underground music, we talk about cyber feminism. We have a program that dedicated some of its shows to it, that is called agorhythmia, for example. We talk about the environment and Latin American women, about women rights, a lot about women rights lately, especially with all the reproductive rights movement that is happening in Latin America. We talk about sexual dissidents, sexual education, techno-feminism, so many things that we cover on our approximately 27 shows. Plus we have special shows also depending on the dates. Yeah, so it's really important for us to have this range of themes, especially from the woman's perspective, urban women are part of this collective. And the way we, like Melissa told, we have around 27 programs that are regular, kind of, but that's something that we love about our radio, that since we are really free, we have this liberty to broadcast wherever we want and the content we want. We don't have any censorship, so that's really, really awesome, because we have the liberty to talk about the topics we find really, really important, and we don't need to answer to any other alignment. We can do our programs, and it was amazing how after the first transmission, we came back to Mexico and we started linking with the collectives and the DJs and the producers that we met in this festival. So it was really a cosmic alliance that I was talking to these producers and they were like, okay, we live in the same city, why haven't we met there? Like, we had to go all the way down to Guatemala to meet and to link. So it was really beautiful how we came back to Mexico and we started linking to other feminist collectives and that is how we got to manage to have all these variety of programs, because it was this kind of sort of mouth-to-mouth. So people start like approaching us and asking us for some space and the only thing we ask is to have a feminist perspective, like we don't exclude guys, we don't exclude them, but we try to have this content about women rights, especially, and to link with other women in the cultural scene and in the political scene. So we have this almost 27 programs. We also had some specials and something that we love to do is to have live transmissions. So we have done some live streamings from several spots, from several bars or clubs before COVID, but something it was really surprising is that when this pandemic started, we all had to be in our houses isolated. So it was really an opportunity for the radio to boost, because we were creating their community. And I really believe Radio Cosmica Libre kept us going and a lot of people have told Melly and me that it was thanks to the radio that they were feeling that they're not alone, especially the girls and the women that were producing their programs. They tell me that it was something that kept them sane, this mission of doing podcasts or interviews. So we managed to, in a year, to have around 250 hours of streaming between interviews, programs, live transmissions. We used to gather in some places, in some bars, and since I'm part of a music collective with DJs and artists, it was awesome to see how they wanted to share their work on the radio. So we managed to do some streamings, let's say, from all night, 12 or more hours playing and playing and doing interviews and talking about our scene. So, yeah, I think Radio Cosmica Libre is, in a sort of way, a lifesaver in this pandemic for us. Exactly. And that is why we have here this workplace making, which is like the thing we were discussing today. Yeah, I mean the radio is basically like a safe virtual space where we can all find refuge in a way. And as Haki said, this was a lifesaver for many of us. And yeah, just like it was said in the, it says on the text that was given to us, like to be in places to keep making maps, to look at oneself there again and again. So it's like, this is kind of what we're doing with the radio, right? We keep finding alternatives and ways to talk about what we're feeling, what is happening without censorship. And we look, I mean, it's a way to locate ourselves through our interest without censorship and calling the community that we identify with through internet. And our transmissions and the archive that we have also is a way of place making. Another, and here we have like a couple of examples of how do we, of some of the special editions of broadcastings we have. Yes, these specials were really, really meaningful because in the case of the one at the right, the yellow picture, Cariño Spinoza was a cyclist, a musician, a singer, and she was killed in an awful, awful and really violent accident. She was run over by a drunk driver. So it really, it really hurt us since our, a part of our collective that we are building this radio, there are a lot of cyclists. So this really, really, really hurt us and we had this initiative of making a special about her. It was a whole day of transmission dedicated to her. So we made this call on our social media and we were friends and we asked them to share a message, maybe a farewell or maybe an anecdote about how Cariño, how they call her, how Cariño touched her life. And actually, to be completely honest, I didn't met her, but the way her death affected our collective, it made me feel like we needed to do this like an exorcism and also as a kind of a call out, a shout out because it was a really horrible way to go. So we were really touched and it was a really, really, really emotive special because we were all like crying and we were all angry but happy because she was really loved and they share also their music with us. So it was a mixture between messages and music and that really, really made us feel like we were really creating a community with the radio and something that we needed to do to talk about her death, her murder actually because it was, it was really, really hard for us and the other one, it just happened this solstice, the 21 of December. Ricardo Mendoza, it's a really important figure in the Mexico series seen of underground music from a hood, from a called thing Sonidero in Mexico that they are like parties that the people from some hoods do it in the streets. So they lock down the streets, they put their sound system and they put all this music like cumbia and salsa and it's a really, it's a culture scene in Mexico. It's kind of underground but it really means a lot for the people on the hoods because it's a way of keeping peace between them because there are hoods that are struggling with poverty, struggling with crime and this kind of events on the street and they have no drugs, they have no no booze, they have nothing, they have music and when they play their music they are like MCs on the on the mic and they are sending messages about community, about greetings to their to their legacy. So Ricardo Mendoza, it was a it was an important piece of this culture and he died and he always supported our collective as Radio Cosmica Libre and a lot of other collectives, woman collectives, feminist collectives and he was really, really open so he died just like last week and we didn't have the chance to say goodbye to him because of Cobbith because we cannot gather, we cannot cry, we cannot bury him, we cannot do anything because since he just entered the hospital we never saw him again so his family was really, really, really upset and it was the same initiative to give him an homage, to give him a farewell and it's kind of a ritual, a passage, a trance to have this opportunity of saying how he touched your lives, saying how he was really important not only for his family but for a cultural scene in Mexico City so it was really, really emotional and we did this, we asked for all the people to send them messages and music and a lot of music and it was really emotive also so this is what we also want to do to have this space, this space to link with the community and to try to help in this awful situation we are all in this pandemic that we are all separated and this is how we've learned that radio is creating really a community and we are linking it and it was really, really emotional all the messages that arrive not only about his life but as as a thanks for, a thanks to the radio for doing this so it was really meaningful for all of us so this is kind of the, I feel one of the most important things we've done with the radio that started just like an initiative and I don't know it's really, it's really strong what we are, what we are building here and what we are giving back to all these people that have touched us so it was really, really special so we are glad to have this opportunity of linking with a lot of people from a lot of scenes and this is what Radio Cosmica Libre is up to. Yeah exactly we've been making lots of connections with especially women from Mexico from not just the city but from other states also and we are also linking up with people from Las Periferias trying to decentralize the radio and sort of trying to decentralize the internet in a way too and so yeah we expect to keep on doing this and well yeah I mean the growth we've had in the year it's been amazing and the reception from the community has been super positive and just we feel like it's something that is again very necessary that helps us to build together and to rethink the ways we are using technology just like and also like it gives us a lot of agency like well we don't need a computer we don't need we only need internet and a willingness of the people that are into the project so yeah keep if you want to learn more about our radio just tune in to our media listen to our archive we highly recommend you to visit the archive we have so many good shows and and right now well recently we had like a special of anniversary where we also talk about that a little bit about the history of the radio and and some of the core principles of the radio and some really good music if you if you thought that there was no music made by women in Latin America we'll just listen to our archive and we can talk about it later yeah it's it's it's been a really interesting ride starting this that actually started as a talk with melisa and i like friends talking you know having some tea some coffee whatever a beer and like wouldn't be awesome to have a radio and to see how we just managed to build this and to link with so many collectives something that i want to to talk to you about is that most of the of the women that have a program in the radio actually we haven't met them it has been something really about trust we have linked and we have some video calls like yeah let's talk about the content of your show but most of the programs is because this woman have heard about us with other collectives so they approach us and they are like hey could i have a space on the radio i would like to talk about this i would like to talk about that so that's been like amazing this this kind of trust like we haven't met us but in a way we do make we do know each other it's it's been something really cosmic it's it's i cannot explain it really because uh this woman have talked to me about how we have shown them another way of working and another way of trust because we have no sense censorship and we are trusting in in the in the work they do and um actually we are really really happy for your invitation here because this is our second uh transmission in english we had uh one before with uh a link between california and uk about a collective of music and woman music scene electronic music scene especially and we've managed also to link with a lot of countries in latin america to do this they call it cadenas or radiophonico and it's a whole day dedicated to news that are not making it to the mainstream news we're talking about freedom to politic uh presos políticos i don't know how to say that in english to people that have been incarcerated because of their political stand we are talking about uh these people that have been that are disappearing in a lot of countries and people that are fighting for the environment for their rights so we linked to this collective of free media in latin america and they do a streaming all day about news and about things we need to talk and they're not being uh they're not being talked about this in other media because of censorship and we are a space a safe space where we can talk about all the things that you cannot normally hear on the radio or in the tv so it's it's it's been really really interesting to link with with these uh collectives in in latin america and we've done a couple of transmission it's a whole all day of news music and transmission about latin american and and human rights in it so yeah we invited you to to follow us message us uh check us out on mixcloud we we have a lot of shows about a lot of things music feminism cyber feminism a lot of a lot of a lot of gjz and yeah what what we are building i think it it has has become a light a light on this on these times of a really dark time so yeah that that's our that's our mission to keep on giving this safe space especially for women in in latin america and in in the world we we want to to keep building a strong allegiance with with people all over the world especially women so yes please write us uh hear us we are going to keep making noise from from mexico and we are we we want to keep moving as melisa told we are decentralizing the radio we just don't want to stay in in in only one place we want to keep on moving so yeah we invite you to to listen to us yeah exactly um thank you folks yeah thank you to thank you uh haki melisa again for being here i uh yeah i'm really thankful for your talk i really appreciate so much i'm originally from matamala so hearing about lorena kabnal was super nice and usually what you said melisa about the radio being a tool of resistance um sort of a vital energy of transgression you said and he really think about uh what lorena says we talked about it also a bit last time well let's talk about it again about this body the body territory and the land territory and and the voice that you bring through this uh diy radio as a tool for healing no you talked about this uh carinias piñosa and ricardo mendosa and this collective process of grief that you did in this sort of decentralized way i will even say like in a a funeral or a way in which people can collectively heal really cosmically through these radio waves that you create in this technology that you bring to people and and yeah so i'm really thankful for that for your for the space that you've given us uh to you know to to you know for everybody also who's listening and just very practically um uh following up on the last thing you said about decentralizing the radio how how can uh how can people start their own uh radio cosmica where they are can they make a mesajito uh let's say here in berlin like for example uh paola is doing uh extraterrestrials or in i don't know we just had two friends from in internationalist who went to rollova in kurdistan like how can they do that there for example i'm sure they have their own radio but you know i'm like to to connect them somehow right uh because that's what this is for yeah so i want to refer first to like the part of the healing that you are saying because yeah it's what lorena kabnal talks about like how healing is super important in these times and it's crazy how can we heal through technology in a way how can we use technology as a tool to heal but i mean it's not like the raspberry pi or the cell phone are going to heal us but like what we do with it so like it's really uh about the the ways we use technology and i love to quote my friend morishina liari because she talks so much about like how important it is to use technology in a critical way and this is like a very tangible example of that right like how we are using the tools that we can get in in an electronic shop to channel a very important or a very yeah like how can we use them in a in a in a good way so yeah good that and um also you were asking about how can anybody have their own radio well as far as i know you need a raspberry pi and you need you need some other gear and we can send you the list and but also you need to contact our friends because they need to tell you how to program the thing that is something that we are working on it being more open like everybody should be able to program it themselves so we're working on that part but yeah we can totally put put you in touch with our engineer friends and send you the list of things that you need to build your own device and setting up at the server end right somebody has to have set up the the server for the stream yeah exactly i was actually wondering like where is our server or um what what i know about uh about this is uh as me as melly told told you uh we had a list that you can go on and buy the people from radion opal told us how to build it how to plug it how to connect it but they have the code the thing is we would need to to develop or to crack the code that it's something that we would we are interested in doing next year we have thanks to melisa we have been linking with some people from costa rica that know about uh hacking uh programming and coding so we want to to make it more open and more free uh the server uh as i as i imagine uh it's it's in in a market in Mexico city called mercado de la mercer and it's uh and it's high it's it's you cannot find it we actually don't know exactly what where we are uh and we we think that's cool and that's okay we don't need to know where it is but actually i've been talking to uh friends of melisa about creating or cloning uh the code or opening the tiny message to see how we can uh how we can reproduce it more but uh we haven't done it yet we want to next year is one of our goals but um they told me that actually uh we don't need the server from them we could migrate it to another online server so we are working on it we have we want to to see how we can decentralize even know the the tiny message like uh crack it and make it work with another server with another code with another it's kind of risk it's a risk because we could de program it and then it would be a problem but we are we are taking that risk um maybe uh in a couple of months because we are interested on centralizing it and clone it and take it to other places that uh actually it's uh yeah you also combine with broadcasting fm signal or is it just the the stream it's it's just only internet stream uh i've uh i have a uh a really really good friend of mine that works in a feminist radio in mexico city and they are a community radio but they are transmitting in fm but since they are a community radio they have to answer to political interests like if there is a political campaign or something they are forced to put that spot on the radio so that's something that rio kosmica is not going to do you know it's against everything we believe so so yeah we could we could make some kind of mix mixture with with fm but first i would like to to talk to these hackers in costa rica to see how we can like crack it clone it and let's see if we can uh experiment with fm because my the we were i was talking with uh this friend she's called laura reyes aka poliestrica if she's listening big love to her um and she was talking that she she's the technician of this radio and she's telling me whatever the only thing you need to do a fm stream like we do in violeta radio it's the name of the radio um she she told me i i i do it from my house and i only need uh the passwords of the server and i do it from my computer so she's programming from her computer so yes we have plans of making experiments and seeing how how we can like push technology and and and and like break the boundaries that you would think that radio know like we are really interesting in experimenting and trying to to get on fm and cloning the tiny message and yeah we we want to we have to make it uh a kind of a lucky situation in Berlin because there's a coalition of 15 different free radio groups and um we our own project is only streaming at the moment but we would like to do a dual situation where we're sharing for for people who don't you know have access to the internet or or for a more simple access at different times when you don't want to have your computer with you or something like this so i think the combination can be really interesting but but the broadcast realm can be much more regulated than what you can do freely on the internet so i know that can be complicated depending on where you are and how well it's how much control is exerted over the the the fm broadcast signals but i i used to do pirate radio with the indie media scene and we used to be in touch with people from the Chiapas radio and Oaxaca as well i believe and this network grew from the indie media scene of all the radios and unfortunately we kind of this is sort of faded out a bit and we we've lost this uh that the the network that we used to have and it's really inspiring to hear your story and and it's making me think to to build these alliances again to create some some new networking again with the the free radio scenes and we'd love to re-stream some of your programming here for for the global east of radio kit stuff we should we should figure out some fun ways to to collaborate on programming uh i also as as a DJ Prudinsky i like to share music all the time and collect from other people's libraries so we can do us an exchange together and one thing i wanted to ask you because one of the way we when we started global east of radio kit just last uh it's a new radio project since the corona times started last march was was one the feeling and and you you you described this really well that that it becomes this channel when we're being we're feeling really isolated and we need something like uh you know space to to share together and radio is a great medium for that i find um one of the things we were kind of concerned with and we haven't evolved this very far but i'm wondering uh we wanted to be some kind of like economic solidarity with people their livelihoods within the music industry or if they're a DJ they can't play in clubs anymore and we haven't really we haven't really spent a lot of time to do fundraising but ideally we would like to create a livelihood portal for people who are doing music who don't have it right now because things are shut down you know just wondering to ask and i'm sorry to make it this question long but have you thought of a way to be um yeah thinking about the livelihood of the music worlds and the media worlds when you're doing this DIY stuff do you do you try to fundraise or do you um go to spaces one of the concepts we have is to go to cafes and and pubs that can't open but somehow try to provide some some solidarity that they're hey these people need help with their business can you donate or come come support them if they're doing takeout only situations which is happening in Berlin this this possibility of yeah i'm sure that's happening in the same way there um yeah so if you thought about this kind of i hate to talk about money but but it's sort of like when you're in a crisis it's also a big important factor for people yeah actually yeah it's definitely yeah we've we've talked about it um actually what we're talking with this friend that streams from fm i was she would really uh it was a lot of help talking to her because she has a lot of experience and that's how i knew that we are not going to be a community radio because of this political issues i was talking about but yeah actually for our anniversary we made a fundraising we made a i don't know how to say it in english like you buy a ticket and then you a ruffle yeah so we managed to gather some money because we are really um we're really streaming with basic basic basic equipment with basic gear or our audio is not the best we can achieve it has some issues technical issues and the response of the community was awesome uh so yeah uh we we have been thinking about uh next year uh trying to i've talked to others friends to have um some from fundraising from some uh associations or some or something like that but we need to this this year we um we really we're really dedicated to have uh this project a lot of more solid project so we could uh show what what we are able to do so yeah it's one of the the themes we are working on next year we do need funds but we also talk about like how we can do this like you said some cafes some bars that we that are shut down um actually we've received a lot of support from a bar and a restaurant in mexico city that it's a space for lgbt plus community so and sexual dissidents so it's been really meaningful because they have shared their space so we have made a lot of call out to the people like we are transmitting life from this bar and like to make um kind of publicity between us on the radio for the community to know that uh that this space is it's supporting us and how we can support that place and yeah it's something we've talked with melisa and other people on the collective so yeah we're we're putting together this kind of uh carpet that is kind of folder with uh description of the project and everything to to uh to go and and try to win uh kind of uh uh some how do you say uh beca or scholarship yeah but it's not scholar like a grand something like that grand or some of economic support from from a lot of instances in mexico actually there are a lot of governmental um support economic support but we are we are we have to be really really picky because we don't have we don't want to uh yeah we don't like to whatever we need to yeah we to keep free to keep our liberty yeah yeah exactly that's like a big uh dilemma no like are we gonna lose our freedom of speech if we get money from a certain sponsor so yeah it's a very delicate subject yeah it's a different thing if you have to set up an organization that's taking in money but that's why like we're not doing that with global east radio kit but maybe like at least we can channel the information for people to say hey go go put money towards this cafe before they go out of business or um point people to band camp for example to hey buy these this this music from this band because they've been working on this album and they can't go touring um so solidarity with the musicians and djs i don't know we're trying to think of different ways you can also create your own money really you're the expert on that how can we uh incorporate some alternative currencies into the radio indeed yeah but this will be the talk at 9 30 but yes just like if you have liberty radio you can also have liberty money you know without the state and and the capitalism yeah and and in in in between we we want to make a shout out and call out to all the people that are listening uh in the meantime that we can clone this tiny message and make it available for more people without having them to buy them or to pay for a server that it's one of the main ideas of of radio cosmica libre uh we want to invite you to to contact us we are totally open to re transmitting transmitting creating original content uh we've been editing we've been there some shows that uh the the producers the woman that are doing them the the shows they send me their audios on telegram actually so they plug their mic on the their headphones on the on the cell phone and they record their their show and they then send it to me like yeah this is a part one part two because they don't know how to edit audio i do know so i say if you give me the content i will edit it for sure that i have no problem with that i'm happy to do it because they have really important things to say about uh the topics that are that are vital for a radio around community so for example this this program called alchemy aeritica that it's about uh feminist constellations and music science um and woman in science uh she doesn't know how to produce audio or to edit but she sent me that their audios like that like this is the first one and here's the track the first one track and there is the other audio and here's the track and i can see that the conversation in my cell phone and then i downloaded edited and we are we are open to to to improvise and we invite you all if you want to space in radio cosmica libre if you want to stream a set an interview or something we are here it's an example to hear because we're trying with a grk to think about how can we make the radio more interactive so when you're saying that people can create content and send it into you uh we're we're looking at ways to like do things more in like real time how can we do stuff like that we use just a very simple note pad to chaos pad for people to get into a chat room and to talk with us about the topics and and be participating in real time as the show is going send us links or if i reference something and of course uh you know you can't you can't say everything that's in a deep essay article but then you can say hey we we just talked about this and we'll put the link of the article on the on the chaos pad it becomes a nice like multi multi platform kind of interaction and i don't know we're still looking for ideas how can we make the radio more real time interactive we don't archive much of what we do we would like to make it it's only in the live moment so that you get to participate with us while we're on but sometimes we we might decide to put some things opposing our yeah for us the archive is super important because many of the things that we are saying are probably set for the first time live i mean at least to an audience you know so for us it's like archiving is really important and that is why we we decide to do so and yeah also i don't know if you want to like if we want to reference something we've said before in a show or if i want to get to know more about a show i can just go online and hear it again and i don't know i think we we believe that we are like yeah creating this generating knowledge for everybody so who knows if that knowledge up there is good for someone else that it that needs to hear it in another moment or something i'm sure it is and now on that note i want to rate it where the rosario said about anybody who wants to join and help out from my listeners uh yeah you know i send all the links out to the listeners so they can get in touch with you and contact you so yeah uh super nice to have you and i'm sure we will see each other in other channels in other forms and in other ways thank you so much for being here and stay tuned next up we have my own phone uh chinese anarchist artist talking about the anarchist hospital thank you thank you everybody thanks a lot for having us thanks so much keep going yeah thank you so much we are here to support you solidarity for the radio free radio people if you rain the waves