 Today, we're going to talk about Jamie Spears and she's had a few interviews come out about her sister Brittany and whether they get along or not and what's going on what she thinks about the conservatorship Greg why don't you tell us about the videos we're going to see yeah I think these videos are from ABC at maybe good morning America. She's promoting a new book So of course she's trying to get out in front and talk about the things that she says in the book That's created its own kind of chaos because I read yesterday Brittany Spears has sent a cease-and-desist order about some of the comments. We're going to see Spent most of my life in that cycle of ruinous behavior His bouts of drinking always caused me periods of torment and sorrow How did his drinking? Shape your lives for me. It was Created a lot of anxiety the hardest part was like could I could I trust you? Are you drinking? Are you not it was something that no kid should have to question mark what he got Yeah, so I want you to notice how the head's nodding there and the foot is moving along kind of At the same roughly the same rhythm as the head I'm not going to mention anything about that but say we'll come back to that foot later on It's interesting that we can see that and we're going to see some big differences between Jamie's foot there and the interviewers foot and notice how they certainly start to drift even further apart in You know their attitudes to each other, but I do want to pick up on this word anxiety and the big level of vocal fry That's the crackle Distortion in the voice that comes on that Thought for Jamie Lynn actually being the sister of of Brittany Brittany is the queen of vocal fry if you hear many of her singing tracks There's lots of vocal fry in there It's it's it's usual for that That group that generation that culture as well and it's it's very popular It's part of popular culture But even so the vocal fry on anxiety is more than her baseline would be and so I would say there is congruence between the word anxiety and the Anxiety and stress in the voice so I'm going to say when she says she had that anxiety I think she's being honest about that and that comes from the vocal fry Chase, what do you think about that? What do you got? Yeah, I agree with you And one thing I want you to pay attention to here when this clip comes up Is watch her eyes here And all of us around here are talking about eye movement all the time and all these videos that we do What you're seeing here is honesty. She's moving them as she speaks They don't access internal dialogue very much or if at all the movement Was likely her going through a series of genuine memories because she's talking about several and she finally goes Down into her right which is during the time that she's recalling this experience in her childhood And this movement is associated in most people with emotions and emotional thoughts And she's clear upfront that she's speaking only from her own perspective She never says we or us referring to britney and We're not going to hear her same say britney's name At all I think throughout these videos you can take a listen And I think she's been coached on this but coaching does not mean deception It just usually means protection and lawyers And her head movements are fluid throughout the even nodding during the interviewer's questions before she provides an answer She's nodding as the question's coming out. So I think this We're seeing a whole lot of honesty here and probably some coaching or restrictions being placed on this Great Yeah, I think this is a great baseline video because of a few things mark. You're dead on the thing I noticed to the vocal fry intensified at that anxiety moment. She does that confirming nod You're talking about as she's being asked the question chase Her foot only bounces When she's kind of throwing her family under the bus and I think we're going to see that Intensify as you get further down She illustrates very effectively with her head as she turns and says Are you drinking aren't you drinking? There's congruence between everything she's doing So this is one of those times. I think we're seeing a pretty good baseline in her There is a there are a couple of things that to point out She shows her lower teeth as she's talking in this case I don't associate this one with anger more with the way southerners talk You can see the sides of our mouths draw down over age because of the way we do talk in the way We pronounce letters and when she says no kids should question You can see a lot of illustration her head. I think overall This is a great place for us to start because it gives us a good baseline Before she gets to some of the more emotional more intense things scott. What do you got? All right, her posture is a little bit rigid. She's not very comfortable here With her gestures aren't very smooth and right here. We just see the the the one small one And but but this lets us know she's focused On all this because this could be for all she knows this is an attack interview So I think she's braced for that so whatever's gonna happen next. She doesn't know but she's ready for it Her sentence structure is is very it's here's the word vary. I hate the word vary her sentence structure is elemental and she's Mostly what I've seen videos in her of her before because I watched a couple of them of her talking her her sentence structure isn't as Tight as this. I don't know how to say it any better than that but Her words are fairly small usually not like in a way where hemmingway is small where he makes these big pictures and thoughts by using Small words and hooks them together, but hers are very I think she's she's the words. She's using she's right on the edge of her intellectual capacity How does that sound makes it sound a bit better her hands are clasped again. That's part of the whole setting and being Uh uncomfortable because she's braced There's a there's a a key to to to looking comfortable and letting making the other person look comfortable Here we see the interviewer is doing a really bad job of matching and mirroring She's trying as you speak to somebody you want to match them Which means you want to look like them it was sort of mirror them my colors are changing But at the same time you want to sound like they sound as well We see completely different things going on here She's the the interviewer is sitting with her leg out with her foot out and and that's fine But it still looks a little bit odd the way she's the way that it's coming out We'll get into the details of that later There's going back to this sitting. There's a comedian named Nate Barghatsy He's from Nashville and when he sits that's the most comfortable and confident looking guy sitting I've ever seen my whole life when he sits down on a talk show or on a podcast or whatever If you I'll put up a picture of him if you check that out This is the most relaxed guy the most comfortable guy in the world and he's a comedian This guy is the most confident sitter I've ever seen my whole life Her face is almost expressionless here. We see a little bit I don't there's a lot of Botox, but I'm not so sure that that's not what's that's keeping her from showing expressions Even a little bit but a lot of non expression stuff going on here wrote in the book He spent most of my life in that cycle of ruinous behavior His bouts of drinking always caused me periods of torment and sorrow How did his drinking Shape your lives for me It was um created a lot of anxiety the hardest part was like could I could I trust you? Are you drinking are you not it was something that no kid should have to question Words that you've used in the book to describe her behavior over that your lifetime was erratic Paranoid spiraling How do you see your sister's state of mind currently? I can't really speak to anyone else's state of mind. I don't think that's fair But I'm allowed to say how I felt in those Because that matters It matters that I was in pain. Okay mark. What do you got? Yeah, so let's talk about feet and the difference between The interviewer and the subject here So we see on describe her behavior the interviewer's foot defies gravity and it goes up I would suggest that means she's got quite a positive idea around this My guess is is she's thinking that's a really good question. This is going to get to the heart of it This is going to get something good for my interview We see with the subject her foot Dips down in fact the kind of the toes kind of just collapse down a little bit I'm suspecting that that is more of a negative idea because gravity takes over there a sense of oh I'm not sure whether I really want to go there or you've hit me with the thing that I don't really want to talk about Or don't want to talk about it within that framework. Look, all of that is conjecture But regardless, it's very different what the toes do or the feet do around that question and for that For me that kind of waves a flag around there is a big difference around the angle That the interviewer is coming from and the subject is coming from and that's going to play out even further as we go along Greg what have you got on this one? Yes, I'm going to steal a second and I'm going to hand that part to chase but chase talks about digital flexion in the hands We may be seeing it in the feet here. Maybe what we're seeing because she's putting her foot down But what you notice is this is a pattern now We saw when she talked negatively about her father her foot bounced When the the interviewer says words that you have used and she knows there's going to come up something about mental instability Her foot moves again Those things are indicators to me that something's going on in her head whether she notices or not It's a change in her baseline And then her chin drops She looks away. She looks down to the right her chin drops And she looks away all that when they're talking about what she's used in the past to describe britney Then she gets very happy that she gets the opportunity to get away from britney. This is a redirect She's given the opportunity when she says state of mind. She's like, well, I can't talk to her state of mind I can only tell you how it felt for me And when she does that at one point when she says matters one of her shoulders lifts We usually associate that with uncertainty about what you're saying and in this case I think that may be exactly what we're seeing we're talking about internal dynamics to a family And the only reason these videos really matter is because you can't talk to britney right now So people care about this video. They've asked for us this many times as a result scott. What do you got? All right We see a little bit more movement here We're seeing increase in movement overall for in this one and she's using her left hand is her illustrator Which is what she does most of the time in this the right one comes up here toward the end But it's mostly the left one. She's using and at the very top of the clip She she completely turns it turns, you know blocks her eyes and then almost turns away as she Let some air out. She's sort of she's blocking the it's like an intake complete intake blocker She's because the question she feels like I think is aggressive is going to be Not a good question toward her The vocal fry thing in this I think is from her not being able to sing Properly and having done that so long because at some points when she's talking Fairly at a fairly good volume. She's got a lot of air come through her lyrics You still hear that fry in there and that fries from from your vocal cords banging together a lot and it causes Like a little scarring and there's little polyps on there and I think that's what we're hearing So when she has less air coming out it comes through even more A lot of singers get that that who don't know how to sing properly if you listen to Allison Kraus Sia or Celine Dion's the most beautiful voices in the world when they're just normally talking They have a really clean clear tone to their voice when they speak And there's not none of that fry in there at all not even a little bit So someone who sang a whole lot and it didn't and they didn't do it properly You'll hear that fry even when they're talking at a pretty good volume and have a lot of air coming out through that Overall, it's this she's still stiff and looks uncomfortable. No charisma Because not a whole lot of changes in her facial expressions So that's what I got chase. What do you got? Yeah, as the interviewer starts I agree with all you guys And right away when the interviewer starts asking this question james chin drops down to use mark's pin Technique to illustrate that You see the chin come down and this is a self protective behavior anytime our body starts covering up or preventing access to arteries Access to arteries specifically is one of these protective behaviors And she says she can't speak for someone else to state of mind, but that's exactly what the quote in the book is all about But I think it's interesting that she uses the word allowed to discuss what she can say Which I think indicates that there are some handlers or some lawyers involved here And the only time that she moves her eyeballs to Our three o'clock or your three o'clock as you're watching this is when she's describing being in pain Which I think is truthful because of this And I went back to see where she had done it in the other videos and then in the other times She's been on video. These are other interviews that she's done This three o'clock movement our your three o'clock Is her baseline when she's recalling something truthful. She moves her eyes in that direction To recall memories. So I think this whole thing is genuine and incredibly guarded as far as body language goes We're talking about like the toes curling in uh, like greg mentioned and and mark mentioned I can kind of separate body language if you just draw like a big plus sign on your paper You can draw open closed confident and insecure And all body language can kind of fit in those little blocks and that's a great way to maybe start teaching your kids Where what block would this go in if you're just sitting at a restaurant? You could point at somebody start getting your kids trained up in this or yourself. That's all I got Words that you've used in the book to describe her behavior over that your lifetime was erratic paranoid spiraling How do you see your sister's state of mind currently? I can't really speak to anyone else's state of mind. I don't think that's fair But I'm allowed to say how I felt in those Because that matters It matters that I was in pain That's good What was your reaction when the conservatorship was dissolved? I was happy. I was first off. I don't understand When it was put into place. I was 17 year old I was about to have a baby. So I didn't understand what was happening nor was I focused on that I was focused on the fact that I was a 17 year old about to have a baby I understand just as little about it then as I do now. All right, uh, greg what do you got? Yeah, I'm gonna keep this one pretty short when she was saying I was happy her brow is up like yeah Okay, maybe she was or wasn't But I do believe she was too involved in what was going on her life to probably pay much attention to that Because you see that grief muscle And that's not an easy one to fake around her situation I was having a baby well that when you're 16 and you're gonna have a baby You're probably more focused on self than you are outwardly And I think that may be the beginning of all the stuff that we're gonna see through the next videos Is maybe she didn't give enough support or whatever, but that's where she's at She does a really good job of illustrating where their palms up and her elbows away from her body I would guarantee you mark has to talk to politicians all the time that do this Create an exoskeleton because you feel uncomfortable people don't trust you when you hold your palms up Your arms should be away from your body exposing all this vulnerable area Chase was just talking about open versus closed when we're honest and we have nothing to fear. We often are very open Exposing our arteries exposing our joints as mark will say and exposing our soft white underbelly and she does that It's the best time we see from her Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so I think the stress and pressure is is up to a little bit on this question because To kind of scott's point of her being, you know quite a lot kind of maybe uncomfortable and I'll just say compose Let's just I'll call that composed She breaks that composure as you say Greg. She comes out. She's gesturing Maybe not in a in a in a way that is you know opening up these vulnerable areas and it's asymmetrical So it's not like it for the majority of the time. It's asymmetrical So so she breaks composure but not fully so she's not kind of fully expressing She's kind of half expressing so she's something's bothered her here It's jolted her out of the composure. I would say but she's not fully expressing what's going on and the thing that You know, I guess bugs me the most about this because because either I don't have the ability or the Or or the can't take the time to go through all the places that she goes to access Whatever she's accessing is is what I get from that is just a state of confusion I go there's a lot of confusion here Because she's going so many places in that in that what people would call I accessing cues going around so many places And so quickly that it it makes me feel confused Though maybe I shouldn't be and maybe others aren't confused Maybe you're not confused by it and you can you know put down below What's happening there for me too many places too fast I get confused I project that on her and I go I think she's confused. Well, it's a possibility Maybe there is a level of confusion Around this or certainly complexity or complex conflict around this area But but chase give me your view on on this any ideas on that I accessing Yeah, I think what we're seeing here is is genuinely confusion We see it right at the top of the clip right at the beginning We're see it right in the face and I think this is a genuine recollection of what she actually felt And when she's talking about I was happy I'm willing to bet that she's learned more about what a conservatorship is over the course of 13 entire years If my sibling was in one and 13 years had elapsed I would have probably read at least a twitter post about it And I think the suggestion that she was happy to hear about the end of it would Automatically indicate that she did know and she was pretty well informed about what it was But watch her eyes. I want you to count where they go and what you think is really happening here Send that in the comments down below. What are her eyes doing? What do you see? Scott, what do you got? All right, here she's animated a little bit Again, she keeps getting more and more animated as we go along her eyes are wide and she's got that constant head movement going on And we see the grief muscle when she says, um, I didn't understand That's when we see that thing pop out and she says that about being pregnant 17 twice she wants to make sure to get that gets across because that's her her I don't know what are you where she's standing her soapbox to say Hey, I didn't understand what was going on here because I had other things going on. I was pregnant I was young and so that's what we see. So I think that's why we see it I think it's the only time we see the grief muscle in this unless I'm I'm wrong Is at that point and overall she's concerned and she really wants to get that point apart across about being Pregnant and didn't really understand what was going on. Not that she's being deceptive about any that at all I think she's being honest It's just she wants to make sure she gets that point across What was your reaction when the conservatorship was dissolved? I was happy. I was first off. I don't understand When it was put into place. I was 17 year old. I was about to have a baby So I didn't understand what was happening nor was I focused on that I was focused on the fact that I was a 17 year old about to have a baby I understand just as little about it then as I do now All right, we're good Yeah Talking the book about The role that you were asked to play In the conservatorship there was a time where my sister asked me on her trust and will if I would Be the person who was sure that her boys got what they needed whether she's in a conservatorship or not That was a very normal thing. I thought Once I realized that You know what she's in a conservatorship. I felt like I just Didn't want to be a part of until maybe she was out of the conservatorship. So there was no like Me overseeing funds or something like that and if that was it was a misunderstanding But either way, I took no steps to be a part of all right Mark, why don't you go first? Yeah, so this one illustrates best for me the big discrepancy between the interviewer and the subject here You're going to see the interviewer pull back Her hair right at the start. You can see the hair is not in her eyes And um and also, you know on a set like this You got people who make sure that your hair isn't going to go into your eyes. So it would suggest to me This is an unconscious Affect that she has in order to get a result or display. It's a display Of power I would say now. Why would somebody shift their hair as a display of power? Because hair is seen as power you'll see across cultures that the most powerful people Especially women will do Extraordinary things with their hair in order to show the amount of resource They can put into that area of the body. I guarantee you that You know the hair that the interviewer has has their, you know, just one trip to get that done has cost A thousand dollars or more and the same for the subject as well That's two sets of very expensive hair and one of them is going Have a look at that look at that power now That's often used as a distraction or a display Before the attack comes and I think that's what's happening here Is she comes in with an aggressive question? We then see the shot of her with her hand hanging down by the side It's the the ends of the hands are slightly obscured there by the the um The the the three quarter Titles underneath but either she's got a pen in her hand or she's rubbing her fingers together Ultimately that hand though looking relaxed is ready to go It's ready to use a tool or a weapon to attack there. So I would take out of that Very aggressive interviewer Here, uh, let me leave it at that scott. What do you got on this one? All right Now we're at she's even more animated than she was before so this is this is growing It's getting a little bit bigger Not a whole lot going on but it's getting a little bigger than it was Her hands are moving her eyes moving all these things are in play her torso is even moving all these things are in play Her voice your cadence speeds up her tone gets a little bit cleaner and clearer because they got She's got more air coming out still hear a little bit of that fry in there because of the vocal damage She's got but it sounds it sounds a lot better overall at that point This is some of the worst editing and you haven't brought this up yet mark But this is some of the worst editing I've ever seen in my life on a bit on in an interview This is so bad. There's one section in here where in between the words conservatorship and I It's a completely different room sound and you can hear it go from Um, the cutoff at the end of conservatorship and then they fade into The word I when she says I it's so bad. It's so amateur I don't know if it's because this interview made us it's been so boring. It was unbelievable or the the Person who's editing is like this is her first gig. You're like, oh, I'm gonna lean into it and they chop everything up because it's really A poor editing job on this so overall she's still uncomfortable She's adapting really hard. You don't see it that that much, but that's why she's when she's clasping her wrist she's adapting and She looks like if you'll if you look at it when through the second view through It looks like she looks she thinks she's getting in trouble. She looks like a little child who's getting in trouble So take a look at that. You know, Greg, what do you got? Yeah, I think the gripping the wrist is more than just an adapter It's what I'd refer to as sacred space Meaning I'm going to take control of my space by burying and then take control of the environment I create by squeezing That's a powerful way of releasing nervous energy and giving yourself some room Her eye movement to the left is constantly when the area I would refer to as auditory in people We've seen that her eyes drift her left memory And if that's always she's probably navigating some instructions been about language That would be my guess if I see a politician you're asking questions and they're constantly going here It usually reflects preparation. It usually reflects that they know what's coming There's a change in energy here. We all see that And I always talk about energy direction and focus her energy is higher Her direction is all outward and her focus is very sharp when she's paying attention to this woman She gets a lot of eye contact. The only time she breaks eye contact is when she's going back over navigating what to say And when I pay attention to that I usually associate that with real interest or anger and there may be some anger here Contained yes, but anger here She didn't want to come across as wacky or that so she's not going to come out and call our names But this is a southern woman and I grew up in the south the deep south. She's from mississippi. I think I'm georgia and southern women are often not demonstrative in their behavior. They're taught not to be that way Until they are and she is here when she does the brow beating thing when she puts her brow Down to look under the edge of her brow That's southern woman for dammit in my world Well, my mother probably would not have said that but if she looked at you you knew exactly what she meant And then there's a sudden head stop That's fairly emphatic and there's some contempt or confusion that there was no ill will And then that turtling occurs. She drops her body and gets a little smaller All that is associated with discomfort with the situation And a strong demonstrative message is look. I didn't do anything wrong is what I'm seeing there. That's what I see Chase, what do you got? Yeah, I agree with you guys A couple a couple of things I had that hadn't been covered yet When she says it was a very normal thing. I thought I think that's a pretty strong indicator that someone explained otherwise to her And the entire mention of a conservatorship to begin with she's showing disgust on her face And we're seeing a big deviation from i-home here. This is different from before But not deception per se remember the importance of of clusters That we're all looking for not just one thing So if you're ever Watching any kind of body language stuff and then they say here's a behavior that indicates deception Be extremely extremely careful because there isn't a behavior that indicates a deception by itself So we're looking for clusters and we're looking for stress and we're looking for terminology and words and we're looking for that stuff to kind of add up to a little formula and britney's name is still Yet to be mentioned. We haven't heard it yet. That's all I got talking the book about The role that you were asked to play In the conservatorship there was a time where my sister asked me on her trust and will if I would Be the person who was sure that her boys got what they needed whether she's in a conservatorship or not That was a very normal thing. I thought Once I realized that You know what she's in a conservatorship. I felt like I just Didn't want to be a part of until maybe she was out of the conservatorship So there was no like me overseeing funds or something like that And if that was it was a misunderstanding, but either way I took no steps to be a part of Excellent You guys got to cut me quickly than that. That was great And she even tried to give britney the resources she needed to end the conservatorship I've always been my sister's biggest supporter So when she needed help I set up ways to do so went out of my way to make sure that She had the contact she needed to possibly go ahead and In this conservatorship and just in this all for our family if it's going to cause this much discord why continue it So you didn't always agree with the conservatorship? It wasn't about agreeing with the conservatorship. Everyone has a voice and it should be heard So if she wanted to talk to other people then I did I set that up. I even spoke to her legal team who I Her legal team previous legal team and that did not end well in my favor so I did take the steps to help but how many times can I take the steps without um You know she has to walk through the door. All right chase. What do you got? So right away. We're seeing strong lip compression And when someone squeezes their lips together, it's different than them going back into their mouth That's lip retraction if they're going back into their mouth But lip compression typically means that someone's withholding or concealing or holding back something And when she's saying it wasn't about agreeing with the conservatorship, that's literally what the question was So yes, that is what the question is about But there's no denial to the simple statement which indicates a potential forward deception A lack a full lack of denial. So it's and it's also not answering the question So this head tilt to change conversational direction When she changes what she's talking about this is a britneyism and britney's behavior does this a lot this may have been learned from mom or dad or whoever and That's all we're seeing here. This head tilt to change direction or conversational direction But she actually shows fear and hesitation and an emotional recall reaction in her eyes When she's discussing dealing with britney's former legal team And which I think is a little scary But she's now referred to taking steps the word steps in two different contexts here and as an interviewer If you're ever talking to somebody and you're hearing these themes like this because most people don't say steps It more than once in a maybe a week or two So here are these little things that are outliers of language and theme It's important to remember that because you're going to need to use that language and theme later on To get a confession or to get that person to open up a little bit more But I think all we're seeing here. She's referring To the fact that she believes britney didn't take any actions. There's a shoulder shrug to dismiss the Possibility that she could have done anything else. It's still no mention Of brit scott. What do you got? All right, I agree with you wholeheartedly and we see a lot of bad editing here I think this was the answer was a lot longer than we're than we're being given And the edits again are just horrendous in this We're gonna see a lot more uh gesturing with the head a lot more movement going on here It's calmed down a little bit from the last video, but we still see a lot of action going on There's a point where we do see lip compression and then she says um I think that's a regulator putting the interviewer on notice that she's got something else to say and she's thinking Which is normal a lot of people do that some people to say um and just wait because they don't have anything to say But she does a lip compression and then says uh um I think the interviewer is is in a way being aggressive Because she should she needs to back down a little bit and and give jamie land a little bit of room to relax and think a bit the The body language on on For the interviewer is still mismatched to what's going on and so is her tone of voice And that part where she looks around and pretends like she's looking for the answer for the question to ask That's kind of just getting on my last nerve at that point. Um, it's there's no empathy when she's talking to her either So it's just more like a you want an interview to be You know strong, which you don't want to be aggressive in a case like this when you're talking to somebody who Is in that in that position. I think so I think she'd be a little bit aggressive Uh mark, what do you got? Yes, I'm just gonna add two small details to what's already been said there On this idea of legal team We see, uh, the subjects, uh, jamie's foot move Again, I would equate that with, uh, you know displaying a little bit of a stress around that legal team element So I think it backs up everything that we've heard so far from everybody else around that Just a couple of more details on the lip contraction there. I think after the first lip contraction We also get an eye block as well the eyes go down the lids shut and then it comes back I believe we see bottom teeth of Anger now I totally get what greg said earlier on which is culturally there is a display of those bottom teeth Just because of the accent I've taken a look and I think it's enough That I would say that I would be alerted and go okay. Well, let's take a look at this Okay, let's not call it but let's take a look at it So going back it seems a little bit out of her accent baseline Then I I believe I do see the nostrils flare as well, which again is one of the elements of anger I don't see the head duck down I believe the people in anger duck their head down bring the forehead down It's because any blows from above would glance off and not hit the eyes It's just more protection around some violence that could happen around anger. I don't see that But I do see two elements There so I wonder With that unspoken Unsaid element that we might take from that Lip contraction whether what isn't being said is something of anger towards something or somebody I'm not sure who um, but she does say beforehand I went out of my way so There may be some anger around that going out of her way not being recognized not being balanced out In some way, maybe some anger around some unfairness around that. I'm not sure. This is all conjecture But uh, yeah, that's what I got on that one. Uh, Greg, what do you got on this one? Yeah, Mark, I'm with you on the foot. There are three times we've seen it the first one She called her dad a drunk the second one. She called her sister crazy the third one Here's another problem and it's around the legal team. I think the lip compression is because she's got a lot saying she's holding it back I think when they say legal team her foot rises She's got a snarky contempt half smile on the left side of her face. I think it's the left side Um, I think there's just baggage associated because when she gets to legal team She has halting languages. She's talking about it This all goes to me thinking yeah, there's either she's been told that there's going to be a cease and desist coming Which we now know has happened after this interview some other things may have happened But there's certainly legal baggage and she went out of her way is language mark I think you're right. There's probably some anger associated whether it's outright Direct anger or it's hidden. It's there. So I'm with you I'm she even tried to give britney the resources she needed to end the conservatorship I've always been my sister's biggest supporter. So when she needed help I set up ways to do so Went out of my way to make sure that um She had the contact she needed to possibly go ahead and In this conservatorship and just in this all for our family if it's going to cause this much discord Why continue it so you didn't always agree with the conservatorship? It wasn't about agreeing with the conservatorship everyone has a voice and it should be heard So if she wanted to talk to other people then I did I set that up. I even spoke to her legal team who I Her legal team previous legal team and that did not end well in my favor So I did take the steps to help But how many times can I take the steps without? um You know she has to walk through the door Some nice phones buzzing Brittany also posting last july that her sister's tribute performance at the 2017 radio disney awards to remixes of her songs hurt her deeply Honestly, it was somewhat confusing to me about that and I actually have spoke to her about that and I was doing a tribute to honor my sister and all the Amazing things that she's done. But you've cleared that up with her. I have Cleared up with the fact that I don't think she's personally upset with me about that. Truthfully, I don't know why that bothers her All right chase. What do you got? yes She uses the word bothers like I don't know why it's still bothers her as if it's still in the present So I think that's a a good data point here to get from this and this is Genuine confusion and I think a very genuine expression of disbelief And she does use the word honestly and truthfully here Which otherwise you've probably heard us say in a previous thing when somebody says this and this And then we we all might call it a potential deception But that's because we're seeing it with clusters of other behaviors here And so there's not a whole lot extra here about stress or deception. But when you hear Somebody tell you that that somebody says honestly and and then You know a statement means deception Not true by itself definitely not true by itself Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so I agree On on all of that same what I would call confused I accessing along the way and by confused. I mean so many places so quickly I'm sure you can break it down and put below. Hey, here's what I think is is happening But ultimately the the the fuller psychological state that comes across to me is confusion And she says it as well. She labels it. She says confused and so You know again, I think there is a There's a link between the two and so it feels and seems very honest to me what she's saying there She clocks the camera part of her eye accessing as she looks down the camera I think that might be an offer out To her sister to to to talk about this potentially But yeah, very confused here. Oh and talking of eyes I think We maybe see an eye roll from the interviewer I think May not be maybe she's accessing something But it looks suspiciously like an eye roll for me again, which is You know very poor show. I would say given you got it You've got a a a guess there unless you're trying to be Uh pretty aggressive about it. And if you are good on you great eye roll there, but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong Scott, what do you think? All right, I think this is the worst edits of all the clips we've had this is this is horrible And it's going to be really tough for people just getting to body language You're trying to decipher what's going on in this because it changes so much as you go and they go Oh, it's like this and it's like this so it's going to be confusing and I I don't know if again I don't know if it's because the interview is just horrifically boring or it's just bad editing or they Had a certain amount of time for each one or something, but it's really really bad. We see more single-handed gestures illustrators here And her her voice it's about 50 50 on the fry and the normal Because she's got a lot of air going through there and that goes back to my point of You'll still have vocal fry quote-unquote when you when you speak loudly or Or Try to be really clear with a lot of air coming through even though you have all that it's there still your larynx is Still banging together in there making that sound Back to the editing again everything goes from She's she's up. She's she's engaged like that and she's talking everything's going her cadence is going fairly fast Her eyebrows are up and then the next then just cut bang within the tenth of a second She goes back to to sitting back in her chair and just talking like this again a lot of vocal fry It's just really confusing. I think for anyone who's watching this who's not used to Looking for things like that. So and I don't think that's fair. I don't think it's fair for for Jamie Lynn for the for the the Interview the the editing people to okay that at that point because you're we're not really seeing the whole thing All right, uh, greg what do you got? Yeah, I'll take the edit a step further There's conflicting language in that last sentence where she says hey, she's over it I don't know what she's concerned about but we can't use it because there's an edit in there And that god knows what she said in between so be careful Otherwise I would be all over that language. She also says truthfully honestly somewhat Those words the reason we typically will tell you this means this when we're seeing it Is because they're distancing or giving you time to think words and mark on with you The more a person is rolling around their head. They're trying to figure out what to do is what's happening They're recalling how they felt maybe what they were told if i'm over here thinking about what's what the outcome could be And I go back over here and think about what I heard and then I look down and think about what to say That's because I don't know what to say and so when a person's doing that they're going to use words that are uncertain And so that's what we're seeing with this truthfully honestly somewhat I need words to use when I don't know the right words to say she's navigating language. She's stammering My favorite of the entire video those start in the beginning go back and look at britney's body language when her sister takes stage She's got a big toothy smile and no eye involvement at all It's yeah, you know and she's looking around like how are people perceiving this It's an interesting piece to see I think here. She's probably so confused She doesn't know how to approach this and there's probably some language between those two edits That says something that would have been meaningful. So shame. It's not there and I'll leave it at that Brittany also posting last july that her sister's tribute performance at the 2017 radio disney awards To remixes of her songs hurt her deeply honestly, it was somewhat confusing to me about that and I actually have spoke to her about that and I was doing a tribute to honor my sister and all the Amazing things that she's done, but you've cleared that up with her. I have Cleared up with the fact that I don't think she's personally upset with me about that. Truthfully, I don't know why that bothers her Okay Lynn says she still has a deep love for her big sister. What happened to that love? Um, what has caused this rift between you that love is still there 100% um, I love I love my sister. I only I've only ever loved and supported her and done what's right by her and she knows that so I don't know why we're in this position right now Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so it's quite a radical tilt of the head there and I get what you say chase that that it could be a I think as Greg would say a micro culture thing Who knows? So so it could be something she's picked up from a sister that's been picked up from the mom or the grandmother or somebody else, you know in in the family All of that said all of that said it could still be her Giving a radically different point of view or that there is a radically alternative Point of view around this a different way to see this that there is a moment in her mind Where she looks at it from a different angle, which means when she says I've only And she thinks to herself. Mmm. I haven't only there was a time when I did something radically Different now, of course, I don't know we're not mind readers Okay, we look at behavior and we look at body language and we think about it and we talk about it with each other Or or to ourselves and that way we try and get closer to the truth of what we think is going on here And so that's one aspect I would want to take into account Is it cultural that's happening there or is she saying there's a radically different situation that did happen there? Both are strong possibilities Both could be happening at the same time or it's something else that I haven't thought of So if you think it's something else put it down below you could be as accurate as me around that Scott What do you think of that one? All right She's got a lot of bow talks. I know I know I talk about that a lot But I that doesn't explain why her face has been up to this point relatively blank expression Expression wise there are some here and there to come in and out Here we're seeing true cues of sadness. We see the corners of her mouth coming down So it'll action the chin boss and her voice breaks and and you can actually hear her crying now. She does dab a tear I didn't actually see the tear but her eyes are a little glassy where it looks like they're welling up in there So that's probably real as well and these are the most this is emotionally the most we've seen so far and at the same time It's the most relaxed. She's been so far and this whole thing. She's she's looks almost completely relaxed her posture is a little different the way your head sitting is a little different everything seems a little bit different in here It is a little bit different in here And maybe she's she's realizing she's getting her point across finally that she is does have emotions About her sister that she does feel sorry for the things that happen to her. So she's getting to show those things That's probably what's helping relax her Greg what do you got? Yeah, I'm the same way. I see the chin boss movement to steal chasis thunder there I also see her fighting back tears the body language. We typically associate with fighting back emotion and tears Maybe she's and typically I notice most people roll their eyes up left when they're trying to avoid And if we associate down right with emotional Thinking then it's probably related in some way. Don't know. None of us really know why that works I I hear just what you heard mark. I only dot dot dot. I only In there somewhere if I were the interrogator or the person talking to her the interviewer I would lean into that hold up. Hold on a minute. You only You only what? Did you only do something one time? Did you only you know? We don't know where that was going to mark's point The only way we have any control over that is if we're sitting in the room We see a deviation we go after but this is a big deviation from her baseline It made me wonder if maybe she's trying to talk and she's looking down the camera She's trying to talk to britney not to this woman and that's a possibility chase. What do you got? Yeah, I agree with you guys So keep in mind for this clip in particular the interviewer asked back-to-back questions that were very different from each other And this is this interviewer is kind of awkward unusual A little artificial. I don't know what what's the right word is But what you might be seeing here if you're if you're a student of body language And behavior is a stress response to the second question and potentially not the first You can see this spear's head tilting again and and jamie does that and When she's moving her eyes to nine o'clock you're nine o'clock I don't think that that's accessing if you play it back. I think she's looking at something off camera I think this entire thing Was like scott. It's just obsessed with this editing issue. Like I can't I can't get over the editing too And it's boring The whole entire thing's just incredibly boring But there's some behaviors here that might give us a few data points that Nobody else would have otherwise pulled out of this thing. That's all I got She says she still has a deep love for her big sister. What happened to that love Um, what has caused this rift between you that love is still there 100% um, I love I love my sister. I only I've only ever loved and supported her and done what's right by her and she knows that so I don't know why we're in this position right now Well, it's uh rolled around the room and uh, see where everybody thinks about what's uh, happened in this interview And then I'll wrap it up. We'll start with mark chase and greg mark Yeah, so I wonder whether we're seeing anger confusion around The law and the industry or the the the family industry that's gone on here in the family law And and probably sadness and grief around the sister There around around britney There may be some crossover, but I would probably you know compartmentalize the two based on that That uh brief assessment that we have there Chase, what are your thoughts? Yeah, I fully agree. It looks like there's a lot of leverage uh control and legal restriction that's all involved in this to where like I'm I want to go do this interview, but I've got You know 71 things on this document that I'm not allowed to talk about and I've got to sell books I've got to do all this and everybody wants to know about britney Which is maybe one of the reasons we don't hear her name at all throughout this thing And I think this whole thing goes to prove is when lawyers Get tangled up in just about anything. This is usually what happens no matter how strong families are And I think it's a really sad ordeal greg Yeah, when you turn your family into a business lawyers are going to get involved That's just the way it is and what we're seeing here whether all families have warts all families have Issues and siblings and that kind of thing. It's just a matter of where they play out Most of us are going to deal with any issues like that behind the scenes This one appears to be a train wreck that's going to play out right in front of us on tv So if this if britney and jamie land and that whole family is your thing Tune in because there'll be a lot of it on tv for you This is probably the last time we'll cover it But that's what I had is you see her confused concerned all of those things are tied to the fact She has to remember it's a business and she's got all that personality stuff to deal with And then they've got all the conflict in the background scott. What do you got? I agree greg. You've been just all over this thing from the very beginning. You've been so concerned About jenny land and britney from this hold on so my heart goes out to you pal I'm hanging in there with you. I think she's gonna be okay That's So I think it's a great example Of an interview starting small and then getting just a little bit a little bit larger as you go along And ending up with the emotional part of it's kind of like a turtle race You have two turtles and they're both racing. It's the they might be speeding up. I don't know. I mean they're they're they're slow You know this thing went really slow and and I I agree It's it's horrifically boring this whole thing could have been a reason for the for the edits to be the way they were That it might be action packed now compared to the way it was But I think it's it's it's uh Like jayson said I just can't get past the horrible editing on this editing on this I don't think the interviewer did a good job of getting to the real person here I know greg was concerned about actually seeing the real jamie jamie lin but I don't think she actually gets in there and and gets the real person out She may have and again, that's what may have been all the editing May have been going on because of that, but that's what i'm seeing All right. I think it's a good one and uh, I'll see you next time see you I got my truth in It sure did Oh, dude, but you didn't clap clasp your hands. I was good enough. I went my truth I have to go with that. I'm elongated. I have to have to look at