 Welcome to Toffy TV, it's the final word, Chelsea nil, Everton nil. Now, just before we start, let me just throw this in to the conversation. We've got a new camera, it's amazing. Baz is going to be editing it on his knee on the fly. He's literally like going, do you see him like his hand moving slowly? Then don't be like getting worried, he's just doing a bit of editing. But that might cause a couple of like T-phone problems in this video. So no complaints, please. This is the first time we've tried it. If there's any issues, it's clearly all down to Baz and his lack of ability to control the camera. There you go. So that just wants to get that out the way, wants to get out the way. We test the new technologies. We're reinvesting into the channel thanks to you lovely people out there. So let's get into it. Happy with the point down at Stamford Bridge. Yeah, I am very happy with it. I'm happy with it because of the way we play it as well. Not just because it's a point. We've had the point there in the past. We've been hanging on at times in the past to get a point. But apart from 10 minutes spelling the game, 15 maximum. I don't think we were hanging on at all. No, no, I mean, I went down to Stamford Bridge yesterday. It was my first away game of them this season, to be honest. I am shattered. I went down there on an hour's sleep and I'm just I'm still knackered. I'm just I'm clearly getting old and what I would say about the place right before I get into the game, it's probably the friendliest football ground I've been to for a very, very long time. It was akin to going to the Magic Kingdom. Honest to God, it was just like this football for some people. Would it would be the ideal scenario to me if it felt. Oh, tell you what, it just felt so manufactured and everyone was so nice and everyone looked like they were having days out. I mean, the best bit was we just walked around the ground room and people selfies. It was brilliant. Just walking behind people and stuff while they were getting pictures in front of all these like Chelsea have created all these things outside to basically like get your picture taken in front of. So we just walked around behind people making sure that photos were ruined. Good times. Good times. So. But you know what? I had a five of a pint in the ground. What did I expect? But now listen, it was I thought I gave a gun on on the way we approached it. It was a good performance. We we knew it was going to be difficult. But we didn't go down the ultra defensive. We also didn't go down the ultra or we're going to go for this. It was a little bit in between and it changed during the game as well. And I thought that was again the tactics evolving. You know, the substitution showed that which our girl could come on as well. The tactics evolve during the game. And I really I thought that was brilliant. And yeah, you know, they went close on a few occasions, which would expect listen, this is a team that's going on beaten this season. You know, in the top three, really good football side. And I thought we dealt with them really well. And I think the most the key thing was the last sort of five ten minutes. Or even when he put the board on ten years, five minutes, no one was sitting there really panicking in the way end. No one was thinking, oh, here we go, everyone was just like, we'll we'll see this out. Yeah, I mean, you know, it was I thought we started again really well straight on the front foot, you know, and that always sets the tone. You know, we didn't look and we've seen this with this Marco Silver team so far. This season, particularly away from home, we haven't looked fearful in any game. You know, we've looked like we want to get on the front foot. And that's been. Ever done from day one, really, when we went to Wolves, you know, we went to Wolves, everyone was the top six and they're going to do this. And we were straight on them and we've kept that going every game. And I think the biggest thing for me in that game yesterday was. There was never a time where we were ragged and that to me was a key thing. We were playing it out from the back. We were drawing them in and playing triangles round them and playing it out from the back. And it was just like night and day compared to last season, you know, when you've got spit the dog on the cocom and see going on about, you know, I'm really impressed with the way they're playing either composure, the show and the drawing Chelsea and what was really evident again was this. I mean, it came out in the week, didn't it? That we were the with the best press inside in the final third. You know, when we've won the ball back the most and for a team that is likes to play out from the back, such as Chelsea, it was very, very evident to me that we were on them when Luis got the ball and when Rodega got the ball. We were straight on them sometimes. They were having to go back or they were just kicking it, you know, trying to get it down a feeling. And that's a massive thing to have that in your lock of this early into the project, but it just shows you if you put good players in a team, they can play it again. I think they were again, it was a. They didn't feel like there was that fear factor going into the game. I felt like they don't obviously confidence is high. We've been winning games and it's about tactics. You know, it's about it's about going somewhere in the right frame of mind and are you worried and I, you know, I didn't think as fans, there was no one really fearful yesterday going down there. Everyone was like, we'll see what happens. You know, someone said to me or what you think it's going to be today. And I was like, you know what, I don't know when you don't want to be there. Oh, well, as long as we play well, but that was sort of was my attitude yesterday. I want to see us grow. I didn't want to see us go down there and play in a style that would go against what we've been doing because I think that's what's happened far too many times in the past. And it depends on what the style is, of course. If you'd asked me that under the in the Martiners area, I would have said, right, let's not hold a fancy, you know, you know, whatever his style is and let's just be pragmatic, pragmatic today. But, you know, and that I accuse Martiners of that a lot of times. So that would be me, you know, going against myself there, contradicting myself. But I think the way we play, we're not. We're not open all the time. We've got a good defensive unit. You know, and that goes into midfield. And I just thought that. Or I just think that, like, because we're growing as a team. You just want to see them get better at what they're doing rather than at this stage go, well, what we've been doing is great. But let's completely change it for someone else because we're playing Chelsea away or because we're playing Man United away or Liverpool away or not. No, stick to it and try and get better at that. That's what I think I take a team like Bournemouth, right? And you see them and you've seen all the last three or four years and you've watched how with a team with, you know, not massive resources and, you know, maybe not all the best plays in the world. But people say, well, how come they went to this ground and beat the beat? And they went to Chelsea and won, didn't they? But then they go get beat by Liverpool, like 4-0 or almost something like that. And it's because they go into every game the same way. And all they're trying to do is get better and better and better and better at what they're trying to do. Not say, well, this week we're going to do this and this week we're going to do this. And I think that's been one of our major problems under all our managers, Moise, Martinis, you know, all of them recently, we've changed our style of play. And that's what I think is key on the silver is that the style of playing the first place has got to be right. And I think it is right. Because we're starting to see defence, the defensive unit get better. We're starting to see the attacking unit get better. And we're going to midfield. I think that's completed the midfield sort of puzzle. Now, I'm not saying it can't get better in terms of personnel, but how he wants to play those three players fit that system for me now and all complement each other. So it's important that we go to these grounds and just get better at doing what we're doing. And I think that's what showed yesterday. And as I say, it was fluid as well. It did change during the game because of different things. Yeah, and that's the that was the key for me as well. You're always looking, think, you know, we're going into this game, we want to win the game, you know, on a tweeter Saturday night and Sunday morning, come on, blues, let's do this. It's been too long. But but the caveat of that was almost this is a new team. These are new players. This isn't a team that's done this same journey five years on the run and hasn't been able to beat Chelsea. You know, this is a new team that Marco Silver's put together and was seeing the evidence of that growing week by week, the ability to to pass our way out, the ability to to press high. And it's such a it's for me. It's such a big, big change than what we witnessed last season on the same validation and cumin at the start. And we often joke about that joke, but we often say that cumin coming with that we're going to play a high pressing game. And we've seen it for the top in game for 17 minutes and it never returned under Ronald Cumin. I think the difference with Marco Silver is he set that stall out. What I can't get what I sometimes not it's just one of those things, you know, when you go through your mind, you're watching the team and then you think back to preseason and you think back to the seven days between that when we were at Goddus and watching Valencia beat us to how we performed at Wolves the week later. And then everything else that we've took on from there and you look back and go, wow, this team has not took that on. And I know that things have changed. Gomez has come in and people like that. And it's improved at Lucadine has come in and so on. But if you it just shows and I suppose as Evertonians, this is one of the things we've been starved of at the past is we've always had a couple of good players or three or four good players, the rest of being average. But we talk them up a bit more because we like them or we think. And now what you're seeing is we for the first time, I think in a long time, we've actually got a certain level of player that is better than anything we've seen. So when you see that and you invest in that team, you look at a team, you see what it can do, you start to believe that you start to look and go, I can see tangible progress here. So the results almost doesn't matter. It does, of course it does ultimately it does. But if you can actually see those wheels, it's like when we went down to Arsenal, we lost the game to Neil, but I come away from that game thinking, you know what, I've seen what he wants to achieve here. I've seen the progress already. Then we went to United and we were undone by a dodgy penalty. But we still saw what you wanted to achieve. Then we came home and we've beaten, you know, the likes of Christopher Palace, maybe Brighton last week, he was one game. And we've gone to Chelsea and we've been able to continue that pattern of play. We've got to be able to go to these places and offer something because you can't go there and just, well, you know, if you go there and say, right, we're going to defend for 90 minutes and we're going to, we're going to, we're going to back down the hatches. Good sides are going to, should be able to score against it. And then if you've got not, how many times, how many times have we, have we looked at these games and you're almost waiting for that first goal to go in. And when it goes in, you're like, well, that's it, the game's over. We've got nothing to offer. And I'm not saying, you know, I'm not saying yesterday was a, you know, we're sitting in after a meal, meal draw. But, but we didn't sit, we didn't go and just like get 10 men behind the ball or anything like that. You've got to be able to offer a threat. And I think that's what we did. And it was only, I think it was only in the game when maybe that threat become a little bit less, whether it be down to Richardlison's fitness or Guilfee's fitness, maybe started to, to, to, to get less and less or, you know, some of the hazard started going through, you know, the different areas of the pitch of the ball. And I think it was only once that started happening that they start getting that little bit of control that allowed them to have a little bit of pressure on them. And that that shows you if you're not attacking and you're around the opposition team to start getting more and more of the ball, they're going to get into better areas so you have to have that threat. So for me, I thought we were well balanced. And when we needed to, when we needed to just say, you know, let's make it, let's make it, let's make it a sub or a decision that that stops Chelsea in the tracks. We did that and I thought we caught quite well. Obviously, you know, Mina came in for his debut as well. He was the only change, obviously. There was a lot of talk about with Charleston, possibly missing the game. You could tell he was something, you know, not right there, but I mean, Mina. Pretty, pretty decent debut, really. Yeah, I thought he was, I thought he was excellent, to be honest with you. For a debut, I mean, listen, he could have come in for his debut, a home to Brighton or some other people who had gone, well, you know, we don't play in Brighton or whatever. He went to Chelsea unbeaten like you've said before. We're not brilliant at Stanford Bridge in terms of our record. OK, we've got a lot of draws there, but, you know, when the last two years we played, we've lost seven nil on that. I guess so, you know, for him to come in there into the team. And I thought he, you know, he was comfortable for large parts of the game, is good on the board, loves the shimmy, which we said the other night. But I thought his positional play was excellent. There was the odd time he got caught out, going to happen. He's not used to playing in, you know, this defence, so to speak, so there'll be opportunities at times when people may get in. But in the main, I thought he'd done very, very well indeed. He's got to watch himself going to the ground because that's how he plays, but in this league now, every tackle is a, is a, you know, that kind of challenge is a problem. I thought there was a couple of times in the game and obviously this is not just because it's his first game, but it's his first game in the Premier League. The pace of the game just caught him out. So the pace of a couple of players caught him out. There was one where there was one where I think there was a hazard just got in front of him, hazard got away from him very, very quickly. And it was on, but when you looked at him, he didn't look like he was going full pelt. And that's what I thought. That's what I'm saying. It was almost like hazard was and got away from him, but he wasn't going full pelt. And it was almost like, oh, I didn't realise I had to move that quickly. And obviously there was the one with them. There was the one that he spoke about, about the penalty on Marate. I mean, to me, I think his biggest climb there is that he's not looking at the ball and that almost says to the referee, you are just trying to foul. But I thought the actual motion of bringing him down was Marate of bringing him down. I thought he was very clever. He bought that foul off him rather than Marate of him. But I think the motion of turning your back has got to be careful with that because in this league, I don't know, I don't know what a foul is anymore. I don't know what offside is anymore. I don't know what anything is anymore till someone starts doing this. But that's what I think he's got to be careful of because referees will just look at the fact that he wasn't watching it and they fell on the ball and go, that's a penalty. We see it all the time. They guess. Yeah, yeah. So we've got he's got to be a little bit more clever. Yeah, it's good. But I thought I thought he was clever but the last bit because Marate brings him down. So people don't matter that it's a pen. It's never a pen. It wasn't a penalty. Marate was all over him for the pair of the Marate. And that's why they got up and put their heads together and all that because I think he knew quite well that the pair of the Marate. I just thought he coped amnably. I mean, I think he could see his quality player. It's his first, you know, first Premier League game, his first real game since the World Cup back in June, the end of June or early July, whatever it was. So for him to come in and to play the way he did, be confident on the ball away, he took the ball, he'd draw people in. I thought he was excellent and again it just shows you that. You're in a situation where you've, you know, zoom it and mean it. Zoom it and keen it, being excellent and then you've all of a sudden got one of them has to go out, zoom it has to go out because of the importance, mean it comes in and then people are going. Who's going to come in at the next game and you're like, well, you know. What I did think was funny is that there's so many people who had them on for first goal scorer, loads. I think you've got forty far to one loads of them on. I think that was something that was cool. I think what it was interesting was, though, I think the fact that when we took Sigurdtson off, we bought Jagielchuron. That could, I think that could be a sign of a tactical change the managing now has. You know, not obviously not with Jagielchur, but with having keen, zoom it and mean it. He now has the ability to change the system in the game, to maybe see out a game or just change the way we play. Don't forget trade the back doesn't have to be a negative change. It can be a positive change. You can push your wing backs on, you know, if sorry, they become wing backs. And now with Deanie on the left hand side, you've now got someone who is a brilliant attacker going forward. If suddenly you can say to Deanie, you don't have to worry about defending. We've got that covered. Suddenly that's a that's a much more much more of an attack and threat if, you know, and if you look at it on the basis of Sigurdtson's injury, obviously we'll speak about that, but Sigurdtson's it. Let's say Sigurdtson stays out and the manager says, well, I don't want to. I don't want to bring the charlison back to the left because he what he could do there to say, well, but I could play centrally, let's say, if he wanted to. And instead of saying, well, let's play with charlison on the left again. He could quite clearly leave the charlison off front and go to three at the back and start pushing Deanie down the left. That could be a tactical change that he could look at. Maybe, I don't know, maybe not card if, well, let's just say we go to Anfield and he goes, well, we want to be a little bit bit more solid, but he suddenly Deanie's the whip then rather than nothing. So I think that's it. I think that's somewhere now where I don't want him to go to three at the back because I just think that's I've said before. I think managers who change systems like that don't have a grip of their players are not willing to make a tough decision. If you've got three players that, you know, in two positions. So we've seen it before. I think weak managers go was just completely at the back. No, if you want to play four at the back and you've got three players, you can play and you've got to make that decision. I think we've got a manager who will make that decision, but I think now we've got the flexibility of a tactical change. Definitely, but I think I don't think there's anything wrong with being flexible in terms of formations and if you've got if you've got three very good centre back, which we ultimately have now, then it's you can make those decisions because it will change with who you're playing against and to only your country won the league on on three, five, two. I mean, yesterday at times we were playing four, four, two. It's less than one the league on. So it's fine to go between the two. If you play three centre backs, it becomes a three, four, three because your two wide players say Walcott, say Bernard, what have you. They can go and play right up, right up alongside atialism because you've got the width and Dean, you've got the width and Coleman. You've got, you know, you've got that flexibility. What it will do is obviously just leaves you with two in the field, but but it's almost four in the field. So it's how you play it. I mean, yesterday when he put Jagelkin on, I'll be honest, that face, you're thinking. Oh, I don't know whether I've done that. The way you're just thinking is he playing for the draw, but it wasn't. It pushed us on because if you look at the last 10 minutes, we actually came back into the game. Look, man, gone on the ball a little bit more. Walcott, you know, you look on at that to think we can push them back up a bit. You know, they'd done Deanie a couple of times inside. They'd put that ball inside Deanie a couple of times. And because he is an attack on full back, he was one way. He threaded it inside and William got in on in and put it just wide. And it and when Deanie was running backwards and he if you watch it again, he turns his body while he's running and it because it slows him down. Wait, because he was he was backtracking and then spins and it and it gives William the chance to get ahead of him. And it's that I think soon as you enter three, that that outlet was blocked off then as well. It's just little, little changes like that, that that you won from a manager to notice where they were getting in. And see, I was worried. We were looking at the last sub and thinking who's going to be. And I thought, well, if it's you do it, then I'm worried because they were going to have to start just throwing balls in the box because we pushed them out wide. And when you brought Barclay on it, apart from obviously you're going, oh no, it's Barclay, you know what's coming next. But I think emotionally that's where their manager got it wrong. I think if you thought about it rationally and tactically, Gerud would have been a man that he's always scored against this. And if the right balls in the box where is Barclay? The game got it with our fan. Like our fans didn't get I wouldn't say the absolutely loads of pelters, but he made the presence known because he had to walk down our end and our fans just made it known. They didn't like go over the top. It wasn't any stupid, but they just made it known. And you could see it on his face. It was almost like it was nears, but it was almost like, I'm going to go out there and show you. And he did what he did. He just he did what happens a lot of the times. He just tried to act and that's where I just think they manager just made that mistake because they had I just thought the they were from wide positions. That was their best opportunity. And once we got the three centre backs at door, I thought we were we we coped with it quite well. They have it. Let us know your thoughts in the comments from this game or just on anything. Let us know. 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