 Working with two realities. You're working with what we assume is the real way to function and move And then we're working with a system of what we call power exchange power Economic power over people controlling their lives and in order to do that you think that my disguise Persons and send them into roles To influence they take they become actors on a stage and they influence our minds in a way that is not Real but affects a reality that will touch us later before we get into the video today I just want to give a quick shout-out to one of our sponsors Gnostic TV Gnostic TV is ancient wisdom Reimagined this is a Netflix for those who are spiritually curious and want a place to go where there is no Censorship. I personally am doing a whole series on Gnostic TV called the esoteric Explorer where I am providing exclusive content to Gnostic Gnostic TV is a host to all sorts of different content creators Many of whom are your old favorites if you would like to check out Gnostic TV There is a link down in the description box below. Hello everybody Welcome back to esoteric Atlanta a day late with the coffee chat, but this is our coffee chat How are you doing today today Catherine? I'm good and it's my fault we're late because I've been somewhere with no internet or wheat really or really intermittent So yeah a Friday coffee chat for once. It's totally fine. I think it's actually serendipitous because we were chit-chatting about The video I dropped yesterday, which thank you to our Doug our friend our late friend Doug Who had started unraveling some of these? These conspiracies and we were talking off-camera Catherine about one thing that Doug I really respected about Doug, which I think we could all kind of Do this ourselves is when he realized he had been fooled and he accepted it He decided to figure out how they did it and there's so much information and learning how they did it to him So that he was educated enough to see where where that could happen where mind control could happen again But he ended up kind of uncovering he became kind of an accidental conspiracy theorist because he ended up in his own research Over a decade's worth of research before he even hopped on YouTube Connected all these dots with some of these really famous cases like Charles Manson son of Sam And I know that Doug and I were going to do a huge new series where we were going to look at his research and add Mind to it and since he's passed away Catherine you myself tomorrow Shanti We've kind of agreed to like go forward and take clips from Doug's videos and continue to put his work out And so I wanted to talk to you Catherine today and get your perspective on the subject that I spoke about yesterday I know you've seen the video about Samuel Untermeyer and Untermeyer Park Which kind of led to where they were doing rituals for son of Sam Which will be part two which Catherine is going to do with me as well So what's your reaction to all that information Catherine? You know when you get literally get goosebumps when you just something you just feel click click click all the bits are coming together And what I loved about it and what I loved about a lot of the other research that you and Doug have done is We all talk in the spiritual community about as above so below and everything's connected and everything is energetically connected In fact, just early on this afternoon I was talking with Shanti about the ether because they deliberately took the ether out of the periodic table So it used to be talked about in the old manuscripts and books a lot and now it's not and I think what you're uncovering with this work is So crucial because it's showing One how much these things are planned and coordinated across a lot of the areas of the globe actually and How these secret societies really use a lot of this for power control manipulation and basically human experimentation And I think you know the gardens of Babylon the the fact it's so easy to be told that they Imported a lot of this stuff in but did they and question it and look at the significance and what and why they're doing So I think this is a huge part of the jigsaw puzzle that really starts pulling together How much it's like anything as we always say price two things can be true at once and and when you're looking at Colts There's so many different scales along the thing And I think what is very easy to do is when you isolate things and make it look like a one-off Isolated thing and you get all the hype surrounding it again It's a big distraction to stop people connecting the dots and see where it's happening in other areas of life And unfortunately, you'll know that as Doug spoke about all the time that it's a very slippery slow once you get into this You suddenly it's like a bit like when your body develops allergies You get to a stage where you can see it see it see it and then you reach that tipping point Where you can no longer see it and you're in there. Yeah, it's it's it's wild And that's the thing to I love how you said that because we look at like son of Sam Which if you're not from the United States and don't know who son of Santa some son of Sam is don't worry Catherine I are gonna do that video next week But some of Doug Doug's work as well, but son of Sam basically was a serial killer and in the 70s And we had Charles Manson with the family. We think these are isolated events. I always thought they were isolated events I always think all these things are just some crazy whack-a-doo person that just goes off and does these things But then when you have someone like Doug who sees these connecting dots and goes hold on a second hold on a second This evidence is telling me these are not isolated events and this is all part of these three-letter agency mind control programs and There's a bigger purpose as to what these killings actually were and with with unto myer for those who have not seen the video And I don't Doug didn't specifically speak speak about Untermire Park in Samuel Untermire himself because Doug's interest was more in the Scientology aspect of it So that was part of my Contribution what I shared yesterday because I'm petty and I'm nosy and my thing Catherine We've learned and I think as spiritual people ourselves. We kind of already know this like People don't go and just do a ritual at a random location. Do they know it's very there I just think that's such an important point You've raised because the more you look into it You more you realize there's a Significance of reason and energy behind all of it. So things that might seem, you know We're so used to being told to put things down as Coincidences but in this world. I don't know such thing as a Coincidence is you're attracting things you're attracting things you can attract things to the law of the attraction positively But if you're unaware you can also attract things or be used to attract things on the negative side of things Yeah, it's there's there's power at all around us and the the dark ones they the bad guys They they I feel like our ancestors absolutely knew this Yes, Lord and things like the Hesak kind of took that information from us and make that made that information kind of folklore or Conspiracy or woo or pseudoscience, right? Whereas they they're using it as a reality and so for me when I heard about this this cult the Satanic cold Using Untermeyer Park, which is in Yonkers, New York and at the point at the time that this park was being used in the 70s It was totally derelict like it had totally fallen apart. There was you know graffiti everywhere and One of the researchers I looked and I said this in the video is that even though this was a derelict park It wasn't that fancy in the 70s as it was when Untermeyer owned it. It wasn't hidden Yeah, so for this group of people in the 70s people did complain about Them seeing lights torches hearing chanting from the park So they weren't trying to really hide themselves and you would think that if you were doing these nefarious things You would want to hide yourself more so it's obvious that they picked this location for a specific reason It's obvious that they needed whatever was in this location and guys I am gonna be tugging that video down in the description box below So you have more of a thorough understanding of what we're talking about here If you want to pause this and go and back and watch that first But Sam Untermeyer, he was he was a very famous attorney here in the United States at the turn of the century Going from the 19th century to the 20th century. His parents were German immigrants He grew up in Virginia on allegedly a plantation, which is strange to me because I'm from the South Plantation owners, they were the gentry. They were the the high class and they were it was lineage So for someone to come in in the 1800s right before the Civil War and become a plantation owner is very suspicious to me Like how did that happen? So that's already like a red flag to me about his family His father did fight for the South in the Civil War. He passed away. The family moved to New York Sam became an attorney Graduated Columbia Law School at the age of 20 and he worked with Rudolph Guggenheimer Which is a huge name the Guggenheimer name like you see that name. You're like hold on. Yeah You just happened to open up a law firm with Guggenheimer, but they were cousins They were cousins and so you start to see these dots connecting He ended up being having the most powerful law firm in the United States for like 45 years He was the first lawyer to make over a million dollars in one case, which is big and He set up a honey trap What we call a honey trap I don't know if you remember this Catherine and this is where it you know, you could see this story as being something That's totally an American story. I'm dropping pens like crazy today An American story, but we know now that nothing that happens in one country is just to Isolate it to one country is it especially in the Western world Completely it's really important and I heard an interesting fact on another podcast today And it's really weird all these little bits dropping together that America Currently has 70% of the world's lawyers Oh, that doesn't shock me and it isn't and I know it's because you know a lot of people are pushed into that because when you graduate It's the highest-paid job you could go into most of them are chronically depressed by the way But you know how much of that is because you know You come out with the zest of youth looking forward to life and then go into these jobs and realize the scale of the Corruption with a lot of the things but that is ridiculous when you think about the globe That is a ridiculous and then I think it's all significant what we're talking to go these things. They're not accidents Why why is it this you know part of these societies that attracts or use certain? Recruitment grounds basically well, we know and this is that this will be an episode for a different day But we know that the bar association here in the United States is actually illegal It's actually against the Constitution because the the lawyers have to sign an oath to the crown But we want our independence from the crown and so that's already illegal. There's already, you know So so with this manipulation, which is what I see it and I know and we have there really there are really good attorneys out There's a lot of you know, I'm just we're just generally speaking about these very strange Head scratchers that we've missed before we've missed this right. We've missed this. Yeah Gutenberg Samuel Utmeier Gutenberg and Marshall the other It was good Gutenberg Utmeier and Marshall law firm. They were what I would consider to be woke Then they were part of this progressive movement, which to me the progressive movement is anything But when I think of like progression, I think of giving people more freedom allowing people more more more room to stretch their legs and to practice their But the progressive movement still to this day is about control. Yeah, he was really into big government He wanted regulations on everything and listen There has to be a happy medium because there does need to be some regulations on like the stock market on you know It can't be the Wild Wild West everywhere because people are gonna be taken advantage of so there does need to be some law and order But we're seeing the impacts of big government today and how it's negatively if as we're being tracked everywhere You know as we're being censored all this kind of stuff. He was a proponent of this He was also a Zionist not gonna say much about that on YouTube. He was also a eugenicist He really truly believed in eugenics these things To weed out what he considered to be inferior inferior races and we know that that's hello like that's Super big for the bad guys, right? They are racist and they do believe in one superior group But he got so what they've done is they've taken the concepts of the Wild West which is in human nature But what they've done is they put it under the government umbrella So it's less difficult for most people to actually put two and two together So if they've not they've not solved it. They've just taken over and now they're there They control the chaos. They control it. He was Atenberg was really behind the Federal Reserve and that again is a Episode for another day, but I think most of our friends watching are very familiar with the Federal Reserve Even though that is based it was it was created off of the coast of Georgia on Jekyll Island. It's a price Not federal. It's a private bank And it actually kind of monitors the whole world So even though it's based out of the United States It is literally something that affects the whole world is where we get our tax system from all that kind of stuff and if you guys know anything about the Federal Reserve Woodrow Wilson was in the White House when the Federal Reserve was was passed and There was it was like on it was during the winter solstice. There was a very specific time. He signed it into law and We know There was a lot of controversy around the Federal Reserve Act We know that there were a lot of very wealthy people Who were opposed to the Federal Reserve that happened to be on the Titanic? That's a whole story and in itself and I Kind of laughed when I discovered this story about Utenmeyer. Not that it's funny It's not funny at all, but it's like son of a bitch. They've been doing this this the same Stuff we see with Epstein seeing that his list just came out. They've been doing this for a very long time So basically the story was in a nutshell that Woodrow Wilson Started having a bit of an affair with this woman while he was married Before he became president and this woman saved the love letters and she needed money To get her family out of a sticky situation. So she hired Utenmeyer as an attorney to basically blackmail Woodrow Wilson So he went to Woodrow Wilson and said hey, she's got these letters. She's gonna expose them This is in the 1910s you guys. So I mean think about Bill Clinton. This would be a scandal today Over a hundred years ago. It was even more of a scandal And so Woodrow Wilson was in a panic because $40,000 back then was a lot of money and he didn't have it and so Sam Utenmeyer, I mean we said this many times Catherine the cabal as many things but stupid ain't one of them He did have the money and so he's he told Woodrow Wilson That he would pay the blackmail money for him if he did him some favors in government That's honeypotting It's yeah, and so was he involved in the Federal Reserve then decision Getting Woodrow Wilson forcing his pen. We knew that Woodrow Wilson's pen was forced to sign that We know we've known that and now we have an extra layer as to why he was owned Utenmeyer basically owned the United States government And how is that my friends like how does somebody become whose parents were an immigrant family from Germany? He was a first-generation American We often think this story is sold to us in America that immigrants are poor They're coming over to seek the American dream. They're fleeing persecution. They're coming here with nothing so How does this family fleeing persecution emigrate to the United States own a plantation right off the bat Become part of the gentry class They're not the parents are full on Germans And then the son the first-generation American becomes so powerful in his law office That he's now puppeting the president of the United States mmm that doesn't happen without Something going on to make it happen if that makes sense absolutely There's a definitely a bigger picture there and you know again the Synchronicities of him even finding out you know that this was happening with the blackmail. I mean there's It's so complex and you can see how it puts together and how then it snobles and people get tied into these situations that they then feel They can't get out of What makes me wonder if that woman wasn't sent in anyway to to Strike Woodrow Wilson's fancy to get him into a compromising position to then use it later on as ammunition Just like what Epstein did So now we've got these politicians under our control Uttenmeyer also for Maury Terry who Maury Terry was a journalist who will get into him more with part two In the son of Sam, but he did a huge research into the son of Sam case Which led him down in all these different rabbit holes where he is the one that discovered Uttenmeyer Park and discovered that Uttenmeyer was actually a part of a Do be a secret society in New York called the hermetic order of the Golden Dawn Which is a big a big secret society that literally is all over the world I believe it started in London, but we have really big politicians throughout the world that have been a part of this Secret society and I've tried to do I've researched the Golden Dawn a lot It's really kind of boring like the stuff you go through with the mechanics of but they do channel They do channel higher beings They're really into black magic and Alistair Crowley was also a part of this hermetic order And Alistair Crowley obviously is English. Well at this time Alistair Crowley was living in New York City And so it looks like Uttenmeyer and Alistair Crowley were contemporaries in this secret society Now I haven't found any research that actually puts them together or like they even knew each other Yeah, you know of each other, but that doesn't mean much right? They could control they could control that information And so Uttenmeyer ended up buying this estate in Yonkers, New York And he bought it from an ex-governor So it was a big estate and that that was called Greystone and this is what Katherine was talking about And this is what really was weird to me there's wealthy and then there's super wealthy and They want us to believe that on this 150 acre estate That Uttenmeyer was able to have all these Roman pillars these two thousand year old Roman pillars imported from Italy to New York And what year was he going? This was in the early or he bought in 1886. Right, okay So we're not talking about with all the motor things Well, we know that there's probably a lot more in that time than we've been made aware of but still it's not like you can't compare It with importing stuff and transporting stuff across the world to what how we do it now And I believe we look at these important archaeological Relics in countries and they're protected. They need to you know, they want to protect it Why are they gonna throw these pillars on a ship and send them to New York? Even if the guy's paying a shit ton of money and he's a wealthy lawyer But how wealthy is he like this is this would have to be millions and millions of dollars to do this And he imported so my thing and maybe like ten years ago I would have been like, okay, he just paid a lot of money for this But we're starting to learn things aren't we Catherine that like our geography is and what what we've been taught it is either So were these pillars already there were they what was this location? And if Uttenmeyer was already involved in this occultism Did he purchase because he purchased it from another politician? So what is this land? And what was this stuff? We know are we theorized or people who theorize that the world's fair which happened in Chicago in the late 19th century That that was really just an excuse to build stuff and then destroy it so they could destroy other Roman architecture that that was in Chicago We know that people have found Egyptian money here in the United States. So there's all there's ISIS temples everywhere so this there's all these kind of like Red flags like showing us that maybe the American continent isn't what we've been taught it is He also had like these crazy statues like winged lions and these underground nooks Where you would have a thousand steps where you could move in the steps and go into these secret temples with Medusa heads to cast spells And we know you know when Uttenmeyer was alive This was a private property, but archaeologists have said when they've looked at the park It was that it was donated to the city after he passed away that these altars were there like they weren't added later They were already there So you're telling me Uttenmeyer built these authors. I don't think so. What do you think Katherine? Do you think he built those authors or do you think I think we're seeing this so much and it's not an area I know a lot about but every single time there's a consistent theme where the people who involved in Black magic and cults they have very specific energy centers around the world So it's like the the good and the bad if we want to put it simply This is very information used to be available wildly and people could read energy dows for energy these sacred You know whether their portals whatever these energy centers are but the trouble is what's happened Is the dark side have then sort of hidden that knowledge from the rest of us and kept it for themselves? And they certainly believe that they can then harness the energy for much greater effect basically So it's far too much for a coincidence in my wild I mean there's and we also know we're finding so much out about the Archaeology in terms of what's been hidden. So the fact that that even came out in the first place There's probably a lot more that they've Not allowed them to actually share with us because we know a lot of the archaeologists that all over the world that are showing that you know The archaeology we've been taught there's no resemblance to what the real evidence is and it's been deliberately hidden Right. We even have like my first video. I did for Gnostic was over go back to Tempe which is you know And that's over what in Turkey like this temple basically Blows up any type of of knowledge We thought we had on our human history because it basically smacks it across the face and says you guys don't know anything about your own history And after the guy who discovered that died the UN came in and took over So they are trying to stop stop this information from coming out But yeah, it's it's too it's it's um, you know, he also had in his gardens It looked like the the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, which is a conspiracy. I've not covered on my channel That's kind of a big one where they believed Babylon back at a certain point in history was luscious and green You know, and so they they talk about the Hanging Gardens of Babylon. Well, if we look at Tartarian maps Babylon is is the New York area and so so Which makes sense that makes sense to me. So did he model his gardens after this? mythological luscious garden of Babylon or is it literally That is that literally Babylon is that literally, you know, these are the questions that I have and these are you know It's so interesting Catherine We were talking about where we just said you you get involved in a situation where you're under mind control and you see things See see see things then you don't see things anymore. Yeah And something I've noticed too is like as we come into like this this this area of awakening I have to think about this with religion where people can see all these Inconsistencies around the world but still not be able to see the inconsistencies in their own belief system And we know that if one thing is in question or two things in in question Then we need to question everything and just the geography is so bizarre to me that It's still almost Shocking to me that what we've been taught where things aren't are might not be where they actually are if that makes sense Oh completely. I mean There's so much to this there really is so much to us and I think One of the reasons it's such a fascinating one for me because you can see why so many people are too scared to investigate these things Because people don't want to bring dark energy into their awareness But again, how much of that is even true? How much is that to scare us off from looking where we need to be looking because these Universal laws that are talked about in so many different ancient Traditions tribes all different what's really fascinating and again, it's not an area I'm an expert in But when you look at all these different teachings from all over the globe and all different parts in history There's core principles that are repeated throughout them That and why are we not taught any of that anymore and why is it so hidden and why words trans you know twisted Like even alchemy and the occult and and and ridiculed it's to stop people looking there It's really really interesting and basically it's bit like the naughty child thing where you don't say don't do that. Well You know, they're really trying to stop people looking at certain information Why because as we've said they get the good can only man can manifest the dark side can't so they need to really control Where our energy and attention is going? Absolutely, and that's the thing that's important too is like just because under my park as it's known today has Obviously been used from very nefarious things It's obviously a very powerful piece of land, but the darkness can't create anything It can only steal from the light and invert it So even if it is Babylon even if it is these things that we might have a negative connotation towards it It did not start off that way it started off as something good And and if we can cleanse the land if we can cleanse that area It can be used for good again because again darkness can't create It's only the light that can create in the darkness steals and inverts That's why they do blood rituals is because they need that life wars because they can't create it themselves And and that's such a and I see that kind of vigilante attitude by some people they wake up And they want to just destroy everything that's been used for negative But if you destroy everything then you're gonna destroy everything because they've literally inverted So is it our job to go back and like heal it But first we have to understand it and that's some and that's the you're right Catherine like we we're just now relearning this stuff the this group of people has been teaching their kids this stuff for Privately for years and so we're having to play catch up and that was the Hesse Act that I spoke about many years ago I discovered the Hesse Act which happened during World War two Where you know because the Nazis were majorly using Divination and occultism to try and occult just means hidden it. It's an occult not a bad word It just means hidden to try to win the war and they were getting a lot of pushback because other people were also using the same tools to counter their moves Specifically this guy named Hesse, which is why it's called the Hesse Act. So Hitler Buddy up with the Pope Not the first time they have buddied up my friends for the our Catholic viewers You probably guys probably know that the hope the folks were very very buddy buddy with Hitler And they created this propaganda where they were going to start this propaganda campaign that divination all these things were of the devil and That's still in you know when people say that to me all the time like well, that's of the devil I'm like well, that's Nazi propaganda That's the And so we've been afraid of this as as the 99% of the public what Sam Untemeier was able to do to monopolize power Was strictly because he had information that we were too afraid to look at our ancestors were too afraid to look at So he was it's easy to wield power over someone when they're ignorant when they don't know what's happening And I can know the right questions to ask Right that's that like because I think a lot of what mind control is Catherine is basically black magic It's using repetitive repetitions of words repetitions of Images like the news Repetition of information to get you to start to believe it which can be a form of spell casting spelling words programming people to believe a certain way and so I know if anyone wants more information on that I cannot recommend enough Reading Kathy or listening to I listen to an audio Kathy O'Brien's trance book It goes into this in so much detail because and when you listen to it sort of pulls a lot of the little hidden bits of the jigsaw puzzle together and really explains just how this is done and how So many areas of the military the three letter agencies have been using this knowledge for years and years To various different effects and we've seen a lot of that in their most recent last few years of the pandemic these same tech tips and tools being applied and Unfortunately, it's very difficult to see it whilst you're still under that spell You've got to have something that breaks you out of that spell to suddenly be able to just view life from a slightly different angle Oh And they play with it's playing with the human emotion as well like these people You know even thinking about the Federal Reserve They sold the Federal Reserve mainly the way they were able to sell the Federal Reserve was that it was going to provide a public in the United States Public means government. I know it's different for like pre-education So before the Federal Reserve education, you know, we had kids in workhouses like education was not Which to me life skills give you education too. So I hate to say like that the only way to get an education I'm sure those street kids Hawking newspapers and the early 1900s probably had more common sense than most humans do today and they were not educated So what they have to survival of the fittest wasn't it exactly like they're there, you know So I use the term education loosely But before when I first looked into Federal Reserve before the Federal Reserve was created with our educational system in the United States Kids at a very young age were learning to speak Greek We're learning to speak Coptic, Egypt, Egyptian, Latin American kids spoke multiple languages mostly dead languages so that they could read old old Transcripts now over a hundred years later most American kids can't even speak English. Yeah But they sold it as this idea that all these kids were gonna put in labor child labor law So now kids have to go to school. Well, that's interesting So they're not free range anymore. They're not feral anymore They have to go to school. They have to go to school and I think at first you can completely control what they've got access to They can't learn from mom and dad anymore They can't go to the one-room school house where they have a private tutor the school now The government now is taking over and since most people can't afford private education They're gonna send their kids to public still to the state to a public school where the government has them And I think it was like at one point was like up to the sixth grade was legal Then when I was a kid you had to go in United States up to your 15 if you wanted to drop out of school at 15 You could but then they make it so you can't really get a job unless you have a high school degree or more importantly Have a bachelor's degree a university four-year university degree and then about ten years after I was out of university It became mandatory for people have their masters So they kept they keep upping the ante and it's all mind control and we've seen this with you I sometimes I think There's two trains of thought I have with archaeologists Some of archaeologists are bad asses because if you want to learn the truth about what's going on look at some lawsuits Like with archaeologists with like the Smithsonian stuff You'll see archaeologists getting pissed that their work is being changed Yeah, there's some that are so because then you have the funding right same thing with a president Wilson an Untermeyer with the with the honey combing, but then you've also got funding if What's that joke like doctors are gonna believe are gonna are gonna? Agree with a hundred percent of the scientists are the people who are funding them Absolutely, and that again we've seen that that that isn't conspiracy at all I mean you have just got to follow the money trail back and you know at the end of the day these people They're backed into a corner and you know if you're in the system where you're mortgaged up to the hill So you want to pay for your kids education things and you're in that trap then you're very easily controllable like that. I Saw the funniest meme. It's been on Going around scrolling around on YouTube or Instagram And it's this guy saying my cheat might and I was in school my teacher used to fuss at us and say if we didn't pay Attention we were gonna end up like the garbage man But what my teacher felt failed to tell us is that the garbage man actually made more money than she does yes so we I Mean the thing is the beauty is is Sometimes in life you have to really let things go really really badly wrong before you're forced into making a change But getting back to at my I can ever pronounce it properly part I think the reason why we're speaking someone else. They said why is it so important? I said it's why these things are so important because they hold the keys to the control mechanisms of How the other side I'm just going to call it have managed how so few people connected across the whole globe Can use that knowledge transfer just like in ancient tribes whatever we used to want to believe We used to have far-time storytelling that talk where the waterholes were how to survive what plants who could raise what medicines to use They've used those ancient Traditions to pass them down in a very narrow group to harness certain energies to control the masses. Oh Absolutely Absolutely, and this is and this is it's so important to because Catherine we're gonna do a part two We're gonna film it next week over the son of Sam murders and for people to truly understand the son of Sam murders and Then look at other cases other serial killers even in your own country if you just start pulling back the layers because it's gonna come to my apartment where all this kicked off and It's going to open up this whole like Pandora's box of just how much stuff is going on around us at all times That we don't know and it's interesting you said this Catherine I was the music people sit around Campfires and tell these stories and tribal times and I always say I think I'm I'm the last great generation If you were born between 1980 and 1984 you're in a sub generation called the zennials Because we're kind of a mixture of generation X and the millennial were two feral to be millennials were but you know We're kind of the lap those four years were kind of in my opinion the last great generation Because we still we didn't have internet. We played outside There was a commercial at night where they would go at 10 o'clock, you know where your kids are they'd remind people that she had children And I remember growing up and growing up at the foothills of the Appalachian mountain We learned a lot about Native American culture and I remember learning about pointing trees and we see them as you're saying this Catherine I just came into about the the stories around that the bonfires and stuff If I were to be in them up in the Appalachian Mountains and I needed water I would know how to find water because of pointing trees because we were taught about that the Native Americans were able to create these trees That literally jutted out and pointed towards water Wow, and we never heard of that. We have them all over my backyard like they're everywhere in Georgia You see this if you ever in Georgia and you see a weird pointed tree and we do our wellness retreat I'm sure you'll see a ton of them and tell that because it's so thick and woody here The Native Americans would create. I don't still know don't know how they did it They've made these trees grow in a certain way that they literally pointed like an arrow Towards water And so if you're stuck and you're thirsty and you need to find the Chattahoochee River or the Ustunala or a lake You just look for a pointing tree You'll find one they're gonna be there and then you just follow it you go down and you'll find another one pointing like it's like It was like a roadmap before there were roadmaps And just knowing that especially in the times that we're living in now I'm like that's important information to have if you live in Appalachia Because that's how you're gonna find water is from those old and we know those trees have been around for hundreds of years Oh, if those trees could talk, you know That's how you find water is for through the pointing trees and I'm sure kids today Don't even know that they don't even know that that's what that is You know because I'm sure that they've stopped teaching that kind of stuff For I think you know the survival skills. It's like when you stop Teaching people survival skills or passing that knowledge down You want to hide into nothing as a species because no other species in the wild survives without handing down that knowledge from generation to generation Absolutely, it's like even like when I was a kid boys, especially had to learn how to create fire by rubbing together Yeah, I don't know if they do that anymore But it was required especially for the boys in my class to learn how to create fire and in elementary school And how how valuable is that? You know, I mean even just being able to read cursive nowadays kids aren't even learned they don't even know cursive They can't even recursive and and that's super important. And you know, the thing is too like Taking it back to Sam unto Meyer. I'm pretty sure Sam unto Meyer was taught these practices from his parents Who learned it from their parents? That's why he was able to harness it And so I think that moving forward in my opinion Catherine I know we've talked about this like your you let your kids kind of free reign with food in the wilds sometimes like allowing our children I'm not a parent but allowing those opportunities of exploration and teaching kids Things like spirituality and so that they understand these things so that they're not fooled by a Sam unto Meyer, right? Or you know a Jeffrey Epstein important and I just I've really loved it The last month I've connected in with a lot more homesteading people And it's just beautiful to see what the last three years in particular obviously longer But a huge huge influx of the amount of people that are now getting back to learning how to garden Getting back to learn how to preserve their own foods without electricity And really taking back the power and home educating their children in actual practical life skills That they can use for survival because the thing is we never stop learning throughout our lives You know, we're constantly learning so there's plenty of time to learn the non survival skills later in life But there's not plenty of time to you know, if you haven't learned those when the need comes You're not gonna survive to actually learn the other niceties that you might want to look into No, it's so important. I just um actually I'm gonna ask that kind of for our friends watching right now What's an important life skill that you feel like you were taught as a child that they don't teach kids anymore? I'm curious to see wherever you are in the world So like if you're from the southeast you might know about pointing trees But someone in England wouldn't know about that because they didn't have any So wherever you are in the world if there's something You know here in the southeast we had to learn the rhymes with snakes because there's so many poisonous snakes like red on black You better step back red on yellow caquilla fella so that we could see they didn't stop us from going outside as kids They didn't hover and put you put us in styrofoam and cellophane and send us out No, they just taught us these these rhymes so that we could learn ourselves and be on the lookout for poisonous snakes Because we needed to learn that right if we didn't need to need to learn that as kids that red on black You better step back red on yellow caquilla fellow. So do you know how I just wanted to pay out facts That's such an important point you said you all taught that and it wasn't called fair man going then It was just general good parenting and the children weren't traumatized by being told that language And I think we could learn so much here because we've reached a stage of Of society where so many people any time you try and tell something that could be useful information that could save someone's life Whether it's what's in your water what's in the air what's in your food People accuse you of fear mongering and there is a lot of fear mongering But just like conspiracy theorists these terms are that are deliberately thrown around To too much to put people off the course and you can most children can cope with a lot of knowledge If delivered in a practical way and it's not going to terrorize them. It's not going to scare them, but it could save their life Oh, absolutely. And I think you know I think about my parents like when we would play out in the woods because we're at the base of You're in the woods They they were expected us to get hurt. They expected By I mean we have like bees that will nest in the ground and if you step on the nest you'll get stung that happened to me a Lots of times with friends where we would step and then we get stuck And it's a lesson learned and that's that's how you learn it. So now as at 40 when I'm up in the woods even at 40 I'm I know what to look for I have a better understanding of the mountain and a better understanding of nature And what's concerning and what is it concerning? And and that's and that and you're right Catherine so many people try to like protect people now And wrap them up in cellophane and and oh don't talk about anything bad when it's not bad It's it's education And it's it's a it's a fine line to sort of balance there But actually if we made these conversations commonplace, we wouldn't all be so brainwashed We would spot the signs we would we wouldn't be so afraid to ask questions I think this is the beauty of what you're uncovering here and what Doug did so well It's like answering these questions with an open mind And then letting that information flow is so so important and I think That's something that I think all our listeners, you know, luckily As we say before we're preaching to the converted but never stop asking those questions And never forget and never be afraid to tell someone something really important that could Save their life We can't be responsible for what people listen to and particularly as adults Most people are so set in their belief systems is quite hard to change But children aren't and children can have an influence on their parents very effectively and we should Not be afraid to pass on this information. It's so so important. It's so important So yeah guys, let us know in the comment section some some vital piece of information You got as a child something simple like I just talked about From your country or your area of the world that you feel like children should still know today learn today And let me know your opinion on sam untamair and and again, I'm going to put that part the deep dive part one into The description box we're doing i'm doing the satanic cult many different parts going through doug's work as well And catherine and I will be um separate from our coffee chats. We'll be doing a whole um some some I keep on you say summer of sam son of sam which untamair park is a huge part of that So that's why I started with untamair park. We'll be releasing that next week you guys part two So How do you want to end this catherine anything you want to tell our friends? I love it what you said at the beauty of this is your what you find is one little bit of information Leads on to another little bit of information these are another so I would just like to Employ anyone if there's anything that you're you're drawn to share share it We're not worried about right or wrong here. It doesn't exist. We're saying look, let's put these bits of the diesel puzzle together Because we'll all have a different, you know, something will have triggered in you when you're listening to this That you might go away and have a look at So please please do share any thoughts and and you know anyone in the comments be encouraging to anyone that shares Because this is what we've got to do is open up questions not shut them down We're not people for for saying what if we don't don't wait until we've got all the answers to share Because we'll never get the answers if we wait to the stage No, and I think we've said this Catherine the more the more we learn the less we know Absolutely. It's so true. And but it's equally so exciting because How boring would it be and also I don't want the knowledge I've been taught to be right No, is any of what I'm realizing now is is the truth is so much more exciting so much more exciting And we're just starting to put some of these important bits of the diesel puzzle and so many other people across the globe as well And just one little thing can trigger something that pulls a whole new range of information in so go for it Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure you guys. Okay. So next week part two summer son Son of sam will be part two guys. So if you have not seen part one watch it So you are research and to my part for yourself Just you have a base information of where we're starting and this is gonna there's going to be multi parts We're going to go through the process church of the final judgment We're going to go into Charles Manson and the family and um the uh Sharon Tate murder. We're going to go into um Oh, my mind's gone blank now. There's so much of the Scientology L. Ron Hubbard jack Parsons Alistair Crowley all that kind of stuff you guys and what we're going to be Facing it off of Doug's research because he was going to be doing this too And then we're going to expand upon that to keep and make sure guys I'm going to put Doug's channel down the description box too. I know he's passed away But go go go subscribe to his channel. He still has the whole library of all his work is up there So go watch his channel. I know his moderator had commented and said that they've got everything saved So even if his channel does go down everything's been backed up and saved I've pulled a lot of his stuff too But we are not going to let his work die die because I think he lived one of the most powerful lives of any person I know and just to be able to put himself out there and in a very loving way share What he had found and so um and Doug if you're listening protect these videos for us buddy Because you know, we're still here dealing with shadow banning so so So anyway, well, thank you for this Catherine. I know it's like I've loved it I mean you've opened up a whole new world to me of something that I knew nothing about But there's all these little bits of my brain now that are pulling in different connections that will Probably take me a little bit of wild pull together, but thank you so much for your research prize because Brilliant it's absolutely brilliant. So thank you so much for anyone that watches this and can pull out some other bits of the jigsaw puzzle for us Yeah, I can't wait. I've seen her as you're saying this Catherine I'm like I can't wait to see other people from other countries that know of a serial killer And they start looking into it. They're like They use the same formula over in romania. They use the same formula for in bosnia like, you know, because They can't create guys. So they just do the same the same playbook So, all right guys, well, we'll be back next week We'll be on Catherine's channel for coffee chat next week and you'll get a double dose of us together We'll also be releasing on both of our channels part two of um, this the satanic cult son uh, son of sam So, all right, you guys have a wonderful week. Bye guys Bye