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Mr. Sasha Pellenberg Welcome, Mr. Pellenberg President of AVS Mobile Tech, Mr. Edward Wen Welcome, Mr. Wen and also Business Weekly Chief Writer, Ms. Ru-Ing-Zen She was our panelist yesterday as well And also let's welcome the facilitator of the panel discussion, Mr. Jason Wan Digital Content Editor-in-Chief at Business Weekly Welcome all our panelists and of course welcome the facilitator for three days forum Now I would like to head over to Jason Good afternoon everyone I'm Jason Wan and we're visiting today weekly and this is our first day for future talk in Taipei and Actually, we aim to finish this future talk in very high note Therefore, we reserve the biggest shot today this afternoon and Here's four of us There are five of us, sorry We all have deal with the topic the topic we're going to deal with today is The last pillars probably the most ones in the future talk, which is autonomous driving and I think as usual so my first questions goes to Sasha and We just hear Michael Mr. Myers talking about a lot of the progress of Mercedes doing some autonomous driving and I still need you to use probably five minutes to give us ideas how the damler see the autonomous Drivings in the future and what are the major breakthroughs on technology to make the future mobility come true? Your ideas and you are representative of the damler. Well, thank you To give me that opportunity in general. Well actually Let me let me kind of build the bridge over to the keynote that we just heard I Really love the idea when people are constantly coming up with some buzzwords and they are starting to trend right now And we're when we take a look where they are actually really coming from yes So when we're talking about AI, I think the first expert system I played around with was in the early 80s when I was like 12 or 13 years old and Even before that as a kid the first thing where I had a little bit of a contact to a kind of fake AI That was the fake like Eliza from Weizenbaum Which was a little program that? Gave you the idea of talking to someone with a little bit of intelligent Okay, it was of course faking it a little bit When we're talking about the development of the autonomous car about three years ago I wrote an article about the roots of all of it, but he started in the 30s Where the first companies were working on cruise control? that was just the very first conceptual idea of kind of steering a car without Any kind of human control? Uh-huh, and it took until the late 50s to bring this into a serious production. Okay the first Fundamental developments are in the Daimler group started in the early to mid 80s Okay, 80s in 1986. We started something With a technical Institute of Achim in Germany the university which was called the project Prometheus And the project Prometheus was the idea of how can we? Combine what's already available was cruise control with automatic braking systems with an automatic steering and Therefore it was the first time where we had to dive into how we're gonna? Identify objects over cameras, okay, and sensors, uh-huh, which sounds for us as human beings just as such a commodity Yeah, to identity because we know right away if there is an object Moving towards us, right or it's just moving into the same direction. It's just standing still for a machine to Get this idea is it's really a challenge Especially when you look at the processing power of the mid 80s, right now We carry little supercomputers in our pockets That almost combined all of the computing power that was available in the early 80s in the palm of our hands, so but the fundamental Ideas and Workings and developments on the algorithms of object identifying for autonomous cars were set up from the project Prometheus in the 80s So this is over 30 years ago And we're still not even close what we would say is an autonomous car Okay, we're lacking processing power. Definitely the software layer on top of it, which is gonna be so important for the future It's constantly getting better Is it's another issue right now what we have in series to give you an idea There are five levels of Autonomous C in a car These are the standards for this industry right now. We are at a level, too okay, and We won't even call it an autonomous car. We call this driving assistance systems So if you guys are getting into the new s-class right now You will already get a really interesting idea of what it can do to you. I trust me next year It's going to be even more interested because you're going to be the first Manufacturer out there to bring this to the compact class with the new a-class Yes, we have prototypes right that are in the level four region a Level four is a completely autonomous car, but you still need to be there as a driver To kind of check out what's going on a level five is what you see for example at Google was rainbow This is a level five autonomously. There's no there's no steering wheel anymore We're gonna get there in the next We probably think right now our prediction is that in the next five to seven years five tests at seven years This is all about the safety, right? So on top of it. We also need to have a Legal infrastructure for this. All right. So who is responsible for this? It is going to be the company It is going to be the developer. It's just going to be I don't know the operating system that you build around this or is it going to be You're your telecom provider that needs to build up connection to the cloud, right? This is a really really interesting game we're in and it's so complex right now that I can just only Recommend everyone that are waiting things that there is an autonomous car available right now Just to step back a little bit calm down Do you mean seeing next five to seven years so we can see the level five Autonomy driving absolutely Okay, the breakthrough the breakthrough will be robotuxies I mean we've had a we've had a nice demonstration here in Taipei last year, right with this little bus I think it was driving up and down a genie road and I Think the robotuxies will be different Which will be a hard blow for the Taiwanese taxi community because we have so many caps on the streets over here But it's it's definitely gonna shake it's gonna be the first step into autonomous driving's taxis next Should be the first Product service. Yes. Yes. Okay, and we know at worse. Yeah, you are also one of the play Major players in the autonomous driving technology, right? And I know you found that you are chairman's of a mobile mobile eyes, right? Could you could you give me a Some ideas what your business engage and how did you? contribute to the autonomous driving in the future Okay, I'm Thanks, I'm not the chairman of mobile. I am I'm the partner of the mobile I in Taiwan in Malaysia Malaysia and I'm very glad to talk about the subject of the autonomous Driving and I'm not not sure how many of you have a really the experience to to be in the car of the self-driving car. I Think I got some opportunity in March last year in March because I am the President of the eight us mobile tech and also the secretary general of Taiwan Israel Chamber of Commerce And I'm not sure how many of you have heard about the company called mobile. I Mobile I they just got acquired by Intel and they are very kind of important technology provider for autonomous driving for eight us advanced Driver assistance systems and so so kind of we help because they don't want to sell that's a margin to load They wanted to be the technology Driver so they did that the sale and take support to us so When I Was in Israel last year They give us a try for the on the road in Jerusalem for the autonomous car So it's not kind of 30 kilo Kilometer per hour is 120 Kilometer per hour 120 in the auto pilot car. No, no, no in the regular regular road Okay 120 recognize that the traffic light and auto pass the car Stop slowly and even now they Intend to develop the the map for the for the car and also that the strategy the AI is Kind of better than human being to judge. What is the driving policy? So this is kind of this is not a dream. This is happening today Actually, I got a Mercedes. So I really like Mercedes. I like to have a autonomous car from Mercedes next time Okay, yeah, I like to hear that in my first question goes to Andrea and we know that Autonomous driving is not power only by fuel but also by data artificial intelligence and Data and artificial intelligence. This is not matters for the vehicle itself it's a matter of a whole ecosystem, right and including the regulations and the legal matters and such as The whole ecosystems and I think the government is the quite important players to make Autonomous driving come true and in your ideas how the Taiwan will play the roles in the Future autonomous driving's in a word your ideas because you found the government, right? Could you say something share with us? certainly Actually the legislative Yuan our legislative body have just passed the so-called Fintech's Sandbox right you may have heard about it the idea is that the current Financial technologies such as blockchains such as novel uses of Financial data or information is sometimes not anticipated by the legislators who did those car those laws before So the sandbox says Basically any fintech company can declare that they are going to deploy a new technology But instead of inflicting it to the whole society they select an area Maybe a hundred people maybe five hundred okay, and then over a period of six months They do a what we call a regulatory co-creation The co-creation means that it is not just Specified by the vendor nor it is just specified by the city government or the national government Rather whether this is a good idea is collaboratively determined by experts Of all the different disciplines including social sciences as well as the people who are affected by this new technology Right, so this is just like having an autonomous car driving at a slower speed on a smaller region But for the society to have a chance to interact with this new species if you will and so this Idea of sandbox can gradually expand so after six months of fintech Experimentation they can say okay This is a bad idea and so the whole society learns with actual data that this is bad idea All right, or if it's a good idea then the regulators can develop what we call Regulatory technology or rec tech Regulatory technology enables the public servants to look at how the technology is interacting with the society Also with the help of AI of machine intelligence So AI is not just useful on the private sector and civil society But it also possible part of the regulation for AI to help us to regulate this new creations And so after a period of experimentation if this is deemed a good idea by the whole society Not just legislators and vendors then we translate this into a new regulation or a new kind of law And then everybody already has the consensus and so the startup can go on and establish a new discipline And so after the fintech sandbox the next sandbox law we're going to introduce early this year is the What we call the uncrued vehicles autonomous vehicles And we call it vehicles rather than cars because we already have those remote islands such as Penghu Island There's many rural island that really needs a you know autopilot boat To send the people who have medical needs to have any kinds of needs to places to Ma Gong or to Tainan or to other cities and then there's of course also you know air taxis like vertical takeoff and landing Devices that are not strictly speaking cars anymore by more like mini helicopters And so we call them autonomous vehicles instead of just cars because by calling them cars And boats and drones all kind of just go back into the old delineated silos, but what we want is this creative creations are Co-created with the society so those new hybrid model of vehicle are then given like six months or a year of a limited speed Limited area creation so that we can co-domesticate With this kind of new species and so to learn how to for example How to pull a car over how to have a real dialogue? How do we know that what's its intention are and things like that and then gradually you co-evolve the regulations So that's our basic strategy. Okay test fields data sharing and then regulatory Taxi will be one of service Well, actually there are many remote places that currently no taxi will drive to because it's not worse The driver's time and because they will not pick any passengers on the way To those rural areas and so at the moment the Ministry of Transport and Communications has this idea of maybe you can book your needs in advance And then one taxi go and pick up the the right sharing your passengers But it still needs a you know platform to Collect people's needs what if we can just make this, you know speed limited But still very practical for people in the rural areas and it will not compete with taxi drivers Uh-huh, it will be serving the places where it was an economic to serve those areas And so this is one of the few areas that the Ministry of Transport has agreed that it may be a very good use for Experimentational Self-driving car rather than just go into the street of a Taipei and compete with everybody else I'm excited to hear things like this and I know Microsoft better lots of in Taiwan especially when Taiwan is the IT powerhouse say from 30 years ago See and do you have any plan to work with Taiwan company or Taiwan government on the AI? applications such as Autonomous driving is for other things that do you how do you feel when you hear the Andrew says there's a sandbox of the autonomous drive is in Taiwan. It says excited you No, yeah, I have to say this sandbox is definitely the The first step in the right direction. Okay, because the thing is that nowadays Innovation comes from everywhere. Uh-huh. We cannot just foresee everything and then to try to come go through the existing complicated Illegals to try to make it happen. So having the sandbox is something will encourage Innovation right so that way though the way Microsoft sees is the way we position ourselves is We are an IT provider We provide the platforms. We encourage Innovation, but we don't compete with our customers So if you if every people people try to recall for the last couple years You never heard any news that Microsoft is trying to build our own driverless cars. No, no We are not like the other G player, you know, the other thing they tried to build their own, right? We are just here mainly as a technology provider. You have learn. Yes, just like Satya says right? We are here to empower people. We're not here to compete with our customers So we work with them like Mercedes. We have this mobile office Collaboration that's working on right. So this is basically where we see Microsoft role is and then also of course We are working closely with the government Taiwan many things in talent developments in basically how to bring AI down to Taiwan Is there any Projects about the autonomous driving for Microsoft in the other countries? I'm going projects or Well, you're the way I will put it this way Okay, we have a lot of close collaboration with many Automotive companies. Yes, then one of the key things for instance We develop actually it's not just with the auto companies. We actually created a simulation platform called air sim Air sim basically gives anybody everything the access to the data and the simulation required To create applications based on autonomous driving or based on mobility What does that mean because think about it? Who can actually have the access with car companies to actually build something with it? Very limited people right you want to develop autonomous car needs a lot of money. That's number one But with this simulation platform like I mentioned in my talk that Anybody a high school student as long as an idea he can leverage this platform, which is open source, right? And then he can already develop application on top of it with the data We have collected throughout our platforms and also actually how we came out with this because of Xbox All the Xbox, you know all the car games nowadays, that's how we basically simulate those so what that further encourages is innovation from the crowd from the people because once that same Mercedes come out with a nice Exciting driverless cars then probably within a short period of time a lot of applications are already available And then the users or the drivers can decide what they do to further enhance Right, they do they experience so that's basically our strategy. Oh, yes, and Andrew There's our government Seeking the partnership from the overseas companies or government or institutes to realize the sandbox My name is Audrey by the way. Anyway, I think the the idea is not exactly just about one or two partnership with multinational companies The Taiwan government is very much aware that our AI talent is not specific to any vertical There are other Asian countries that focus on financial technology that focus on one or two verticals But one of the strengths in Taiwan in addition to a very good semiconductor Supply chain is that we have social innovators in all of those different verticals Including every cultural use of drones, right? And and then like disaster recovery and emergency response of autonomous boats and vehicles Right, so when a new technology comes many innovators in Taiwan The first thing they think about is what social problem or what social issue can this technology solve? How can we make the society a better place rather than how just in one or two verticals Can I earn the most profit profit of course is still important? But for many Taiwan entrepreneurs the ability to work across different fields and to solve real social issues is even more important And so which is why the idea of social innovation of social entrepreneurship of having the society to Co-create the regulation is important because otherwise we would just be you know Agreeing to any and every new technological buzzword without it's actually integrating with the need of the society So multinational companies our focus is more on the talents Parts on the talents more on the education stem education on delivering more equal participation like What Microsoft has said it's crowd sourcing platform allows anyone with a iPad or a surface tablet To participate in application design for a virtual simulated autonomous vehicle So we see it as a education tool with a new tool even school children will not see AI as something mysterious Or something dangerous everybody will just learn, you know how to use fire how to cooking, right? They have this very basic grasp of how to interact with AI and then if people want to feel how it's like We have virtual reality augment reality and so on so we create a safe spaces in the education system So people can get literate with those technologies without the fear of being hit by an actual car So as I think this is one of our core focus of partnering with multinationals is to create a stem education environment Very good. Very good. And I know the carry and I know why we impressed in Autonomous driving you have some worries about the talent a special job loss, right? although some talents will be promoted or or Be promote as a Rising stars and but there are some job losses occur as well. Yes, and could you just Share your fault autonomous car will be it must have it's will happen. Definitely. And what I noticed is the Uber started a project in Pittsburgh well started a project in Pittsburgh To use a self-driver to self-drive car and to pick up people and all of a sudden I think about that We think a Uber driver Can earn extra payment, you know by just using Uber as a driver So ordinary people can not only have their job and then can could have Extra pay you know by using their time to be a driver And just after three and four years and all of a sudden that's a Uber trying to text the self-drive car Which means that the the company only have a if the company has a self-drive car and they don't have to hire any Driver to deliver their service service, right? I just pop out the question is Well the number Artificial intelligence with a number of the job of the artificial intelligence create Could equal the number of job is Terminated so I just have this question that maybe a lot of people have the same questions So I just want to know Andrea Jackson Jason. Oh Sasha. I have some opinion about about that About government. Yes Come realize Yeah, you got to a lot of talking today as a Educator and previously a member of the K212 curriculum design program Our main idea in redoing the basic education K212 curriculum is to stop Seeing the school as where the student pick up useful skills And and that was a very East Asian view right people go to school They pick one or two disciplines and they get trained have to skill the society needs and so on and so forth But in our new curriculum our focus has shifted instead of a skill set best Education we are have moving to a mindset a character based education and a mindset based education or character based education Suyang Daoxiang Jiao Yu places the importance of Autonomy actually just like in autonomous cart in the sense that people should be motivated Children should be motivated by their curiosity instead of them being a useful skilled Person as we say here in Taiwan工具人 where we're moving moving away from that and the second character We're encouraging is the ability to interact Ability to communicate to especially with people with very different backgrounds or very different trainings very different Disciplines and then after they can do this They can collaborate on what we call the common good meaning that we enable the children to have the idea of Being team players instead of competing with each other on arbitrary score on arbitrary skill sets and Identifying with those skills. We are teaching children now to identify with what social good Can they co-create for the society? And so if you think about work this way as in life's work as in what beneficial to the society There are many work that only becomes possible because of artificial intelligence and for example Rural areas that really needs those AV Transportation they will need plan us. They will need people who take care of their medical needs There are every other needs and so transportation for them is an enabler without this Autonomous transportation will cost too much to ship medicine to ship services to their doors So it will of course create more kind of jobs But the key idea is that whether people will identify with the work they create Value to the society rather than they being especially good at one particular skill Because if identified with the skill set eventually it will be automated away And then we will have a subjective loss of dignity But if dignity is built on the life's work that you can do for the society it will never be a source of Fear because anything is just an enabler to these students And so for people to adapt quickly from one skill to another skills They need it for example from more manual skills to more planning skills more communication soft skills What AI can do is that they can serve as a tireless teacher We have many stimulation boxes where people can learn how to repair Machines how to do urban planning how to talk about democracy Participatory budgeting in a simulated environment facilitated by Artificial intelligence plus human intelligence and so in this kind of educational environment people come to see AI as something They can go back to when they need to learn something new and then so they become life-long learners And so AI first becomes an help to the life-long learners And then becomes a help to people who do social good as what their life's work are then there will be no Fear of job loss or job, you know Elimination so that's our educational strategy to collaborate to the face a future where all the tasks and skills will be Automated gradually away, but the life's work of people and what people value will always be there Sasha, I know you want to say something that could you just hold on for a minute and My next question goes to Edwards, and I know you went to Israel On March right and so something interesting and in AI Development could you share with the audience while you saw things in Israel? Israel is a Country is a small country 800 8 million people only but it's a kind of different operation model than that our country in Taiwan. They are more focused on some Innovation high-tech research portion. They do not take focus too much in them in the manufacturing And but I want to right away. I would like to say talk about some more about the continue about the subject about AI and the safety Because that's the thing about the reality if we talk about the eight us That the seven self-driving car if this is not better Than human being that myself Why why should I what should we hold the whole industry go move on to that direction? That that simply think about this and you know Must be Joshua professor Joshua did kind of a model and calculation For the self-driving car must be kind of maybe thousand times safer than the human being If I said one hour the accident ray is Time does I don't know say how the English is it a full city the full of Sipang that the accident rate is That the the the self-contact it should be food your Sipang Sorry, I kind of too long. I cannot I don't know how to say in So must be safer and that the reality if the car Implement the eight us advanced driver systems it can reduce I think about 50% Traffic accident, that's the reality So when we are moving from the computer time from the smartphone the next things I think when we are visiting customer Got to every day many customers Many many people are very very interesting in car industry now Indeed, okay. Yes. Good nice to hear that Sasha. I Would just like to act fine something in general Regarding the Regarding the fear that always comes up in societies whenever a new technology gets introduced to it The first and most fundamental fear is a very existential one. It's Will it kind of kill our jobs? I remember that in the Action the car industry they had this in the 70s When they started to introduce automatic production lines to this industry They're just in time production the way of how to do lean production The first robots came into the car industry in the mid 70s. No, huh and Did it change anything for this industry actually we have way more employee right now We have released right now in this industry that we've ever ever had before It's evolving dramatically Yeah, every new technology did this to the world right when we look at like 500 years ago What were the fundamental resources we had at that time was basically like metal wood and stones And that's about it and we've had a couple of professions at that time that we don't have right now anymore Societies are evolving and I think also Taiwan is a fun It's a perfect example what what what the government established over here in the late 70s early 80s how they Really inspired a complete in new industry Yes start over here and to basically take over the world with their products So sometimes you need to whether it's from the government side to kind of kick-start new processes it's always important to have the right environment for this and It's also a matter of how you're gonna educate people about new technologies Okay, to educate them about what's gonna happen AI sounds first of all kind of weird I mean there is an artificial intelligence. What does that mean? Is it gonna be smarter than us? Sooner or later. I mean we've had these predictions Based on Moore's law a couple of years ago that by the year 2025 we're gonna have process of a silicon that combines the performance of a human brain on a little ship and like five years later We're gonna have silicon that combines the performance of all human brains. Is it gonna happen? I'm not so sure even though that the Moore's law was quite a constant over the last 20 years We need to be aware of challenges with new technologies But I mean I live I came here to Taiwan 50 years ago a 15 years ago for the first time I live over here for nine years. There was a reason why I really love Taiwan And and I say this as a German because Germans are more like yeah that technology is pretty pretty cool But what if it could do this and this and that right over here in Taiwan is like In my opinion Taiwanese people are in general more open to new technologies and they love to embrace new technologies They are more like wow. This is so cool. What can I do with it? What are the advantages of this new technologies by Germans are very skeptical? Yeah We always love to perfectionize everything and it needs to last for a thousand years or what not Nothing lasts for a thousand years in our societies anymore things are changing so quickly Okay, right when I when I look at what we what we have with a company like Microsoft. Yeah It's now Almost 50 years old Yeah, we're old When I was the kid I could have never imagined that oh wow Microsoft is a company that is half a century old All right, and how they transformed especially with such a dollar joint them. Yeah, absolutely amazing a geek by heart Someone that really came out of the company to transform this company by the way I also have that book I just read it in On my vacations absolutely fantastic or a company like an Edward was so humble about the achievements of mobile I they're actually that was in my opinion the biggest The biggest acquisition in the automotive industry last year that into took over mobile. I um a very rational a very pragmatic company and in terms of their technology the leading company on the autonomous field and What they were what they were doing in in the last years It's absolutely mind-blowing and it was very very important to have a Company a start-up studying in Israel and I think it's a very inspiring story the story of mobile I what is possible in this world? and that's actually basically the last statement I just want to add to this is To educate people about technology to educate them about the possibilities Right and especially to educate young people about the possibilities of technology in at you in It needs to start at a very early age and to inspire them and to just let them know about the possibilities Yeah, and what's going to happen because we are on the edge of A world very good that's going to look so differently in a decade from now It's going to change for the automotive industry It will change more fundamentally and more radically in the next five years than it did in the last 50 years Yes, and I think that's mind-blowing right right and my next question goes to miss Tom's and We know the technology keep changing right how the regulation follows in the government roles you are regulators to Allocate the resources and regulating the behaviors and how do you see when the autonomous driving commies? How the regulation follows as a government? official as I mentioned about the regulatory Co-creation this idea actually came and it's pretty consistent With what we call the you know character based learning or The new to tough curriculum because the teachers role in the new curriculum has changed Fundamentally as compared to the skill set based education in the previous era In especially East Asian countries the teachers role is to represent the source of truth Right, so even if the kids know better in order to pass examinations Yeah, they have to memorize what the teacher declare as true and then otherwise they don't get a score even though We educated right exactly exactly and that's very East Asian I mean right but in the new curriculum We're seeing the teachers as a new role. They're Facilitators, they're co-learners There are people who are as interested as the kids with the new developments in the field and when kids Inevitably now when the teachers are saying, okay, this is what and what the kids nowadays are fact-checking The teachers on their phone Wikipedia on Google Everywhere and saying, you know what what you say is not necessarily the case and to adapt to this new Classroom dynamic. We're saying now teachers are just people who have a more strong sense of how to find resources Right on but the agenda what to learn is always Co-created and determined by the students and so it is the same with the government in our new digital nation plan that DIGI DG plus plan The governance model has changed fundamentally as compared to the previous needs the plan in the needs the plan The government are still the rule makers Okay, in the DG plus plan the government are now just like the teachers of the new curriculum Co-regulators what what we mean is that we ask the private sector innovators of what laws are you going to break next? What regulations make no sense to you anymore, right? And then we use those simple laws and designs to Collaboratively test whether this is a good idea to actually break or change those regulations Yeah, so for example, actually the sandbox law for autonomous vehicles is on the public website on V-Taiwan and also on join the GOV that DW where everybody can go and have a real discussion online which will inform our regulatory Co-creation and so the idea is that the private sector says which law should change and then the government's role is to engage in dialogue with other stakeholders with many different ministries with people who will be affected by this change With the local people with the academics and try to agree on something that everybody can live with and so it is the same With delivery when we talk about, you know equal opportunity and delivery to the last mile Instead of the government doing everything we're now seeing the local NGOs the local social enterprises may actually Be better people to deliver those visits and instead of solving the problem ourselves and finish just those KPIs We're now focusing on solving the problems encountered by those problem solvers So again, we move to the second line and then we do a co-creation with the social enterprise and NGOs in order to further Inclusion and so this is our current regulatory model. It is very different from the regulatory model in the past that came We probably has only five minutes left and I think a show of panelists have one minute to do the red box and How how did you picture the scenario in the future? especially on the autonomous driving Areas and why don't we start with Jason's could you that give me as your scenario? Microsoft scenario in the future, especially on the autonomy Face or AI well the scenarios right like I said in my session right the future is only going to be better Okay, and then one thing I just want to add when we talk about job and everything That one thing that is an example to prove that the future will be better enabled by technology Back in 2000 when internet first came up Everybody says internet will replace all the travel agents Not only they haven't replaced all the travel agents, but it completely changed our lives in the business model Why do I say that? Now each individual travel agents they can use the internet to maintain their run rate business Everybody wants to buy a ticket you buy on the phone you buy the ticket, but they use their individual human agents To work on the high-end customized trips Okay for big for better margin for better business revenues, and also because of this model We start to have the budget airlines Because budget airlines now can leverage this model to complete bring their cost down So that's why people in Taiwan they travel to Japan like like going to gao show Everybody goes to Japan every other week. It's because of the technology that allows us enablement So jobs are not going to go away and all the benefits technology brings will only be better And that's how you know we believe the future. Okay. Good carry Yeah, I also believe that the future will be better as long as Just as a miss Tom says that the education system have to keep up with the disruption of the technology And I think that in the future The age just as Sasha also says that in the next five years We will see many many interesting things happen in car industry and the changing in the mobility We are also changing people leave and changing the city and even changing our real estate So, you know that we may not need a lot of parking place And there is no need to on-street the parking space too So people will live in a more healthy and we can have more space for your recreation Not just to let the car be on the road So I think there's a lot of things for the government and the company and the people to do anywhere Yeah, I I think the Mercedes did a great job to define the vision Yeah, see as e I'm not sure how many of you have Read about their slogan see a see a se connectivity autonomous share sharing security and Electric electric car. I think that's kind of what we can dream of in the maybe next five ten Yes, okay Sasha Could you give us your final wish? Well, I'm actually facing autonomous mobility on a daily base I live At the one from community next to the MRT line that goes all the way up here and that line is driving autonomously so It's always a matter of your user scenario and what you want to do And I just love the public transport system over here in Taipei and I say this as a car guy by heart Every technician developer futurist geek by heart Believes That technology will change the future for the good. Okay. I truly believe that and I think When we look at what technology did to us in the last 10 or 15 years That we now have a little device in the palm of our hands where we can access All the information all the wisdom of mankind wherever we are This is one of the most amazing achievements still for me and again We use it in a very common way, right? We don't even think about it. We're basically using a little system It has so much performance Basically to open up the Facebook app or the line messenger And then don't really getting our head around The fact that we have this little supercomputer in the palm of our hands So how does it look like in 10 years? Could she imagine this from where we were coming from when HTC? In the late 90s started to show the first little PDA systems Based by the way on on a Microsoft embedded version at that time or when Apple introduced Almost exactly 11 years ago the very first iPhone or when we had for the very first time 3g or 4g here in Taiwan and we could watch a 1080p or 4k video on the go It constantly changes the way we're interacting with each other It constantly changes the way how we consume information and content in 10 years from now it will also be quite amazing And I'm pretty sure that however we're gonna travel and it's absolutely right to say we need to talk about Vehicles and not only cars However, we're gonna travel if it's on the road If it's in the air, which will definitely happen Or if it's somewhere on the sea We're gonna travel with a lot of technology, right and it's gonna be cool. Uh-huh. Yes I miss Tom. Hey, I do agree with the Alan cake. Well, they are the best way to predict the future is to Try to invent it and in order for the future to be better for everybody involved the creation the invention Need to be participated by everyone. And so I would like to to read you a prayer That I wrote just before joining the cabinets trying to make technology more collaborative more pluralistic And and it goes like this When we see internet of things Let's make it an internet of beings When we see virtual reality, let's make it a shared reality When we see machine learning, let's make it collaborative learning When we see user experience, let's make it about human experience And when we hear that a singularity is near let us remember the plurality of us is here Thank you. Excellent. I will say yes, it's a very inspiring conclusion for the future talks and we thank you for your Patients for last three days, and I hope we'll see you in the near future. Thank you very much. Thank you Thank you. I'll let you think all panelists and the facilitator for the inspiring panel discussion and also thank you