 So we were far forward in Hellman province and took care of a lot of gunshot wounds and blast injuries and a lot of really, really devastating war wounds. And so a lot of these guys that we took care of, you know, we became really good friends with over the years and we had put them on opiates and benzos and antidepressants and essentially turned all these guys into zombies. And so, you know, as I connected with a lot of these soldiers over the years after they came back, they started coming back and telling me that, look, we were able to get off our opiates or we were able to stop using our benzodiazepines or antidepressants or, you know, because we've started taking CPD and or we've started using cannabinoids. You know, Israel's doing the IDF, you know, they actually allow their soldiers to use some of these cannabinoids while they're still active duty because this stuff works. And they've found that it works very, very well for PTSD, for sleep disorders, for chronic pain. You know, and we really should start to de-schedule cannabis and really start to allow our soldiers to take it. I find it criminal that we're keeping this type of medicine away from our veterans and of course, the larger American public as well. But when we have potentially a solution that's not gonna make them addicted, you know, that will make them better functional human beings that'll allow them to maybe connect with their families again. I just think it's wrong that the VA and other federal agencies don't allow soldiers or their families to take this stuff. In multiple ways, we have a farm in Oregon that we grow organic, in an organic way. We've tested the soil, we've tested the water, made sure everything's all wonderfully clean. And then we test everything again once we harvest it just to make sure these organic fertilizers. So that's one way, you know, we have a large farm and we wanna help grow the industry, literally. But we wanna do it in a responsible way. I think the most beautiful thing in the world is the human heart. And just watching people do wonderful, beautiful things. You know, I think all that stems from, from... Someone's opinion may contradict yours. Where's my friend, Alan? It's all about your perspective. Who are we and what is the nature of this reality? Five, four, three, two. What's up, everyone? Welcome to Simulation. I'm your host, Alan Sokian. We are onsite at the beautiful New West Summit, the Cannabis Tech Conference. We are now gonna be speaking with Dr. Kamal Kalsi. Hello. Hello. Thank you so much for coming on our show. Oh, it's a pleasure. Really appreciate it. I'm so pumped for this episode. Thank you. You are a doctor, a soldier, a sick, a farmer, an advocate. I mean, your background is very deeply nuanced and I'm super excited to jump into this with you. Let's talk about things from a perspective of your journey. Who you are, where were you born? Take us through things chronologically. Wow, all right, sure. You know, I'm an immigrant. I came here when I was two years old. I was born in Kanpur Air Force Base in India. And a lot of folks don't know what or who six are, but Sikhism is the world's fifth largest religion. And we wear very stylish turbans as a part of our identity. And it's been a really interesting journey here in the US. You moved when you were two. Two, yeah. Well, my parents came and they brought me with them. I really didn't have much of a choice. Were they both in farm forces at the time? My father served in the Indian Air Force. In the Indian Air Force. Yeah, my mom was a teacher there in India and then they came here. My grandfather also was in the Indian Air Force. My great grandfather was in the Royal British Army. Whoa, yeah, with a lineage. Yeah, so I, in med school, when the recruiters came, they wanted to know if I wanted to serve. And so I said, yeah, I'm happy to serve, but I serve like this with turban and beard. And this was the, this was nine, sorry, this was 2001. This was before 9-11. And I'm like, yeah, man, I come from three generations of military, I'd be happy to serve. And so I did. I took an oath as an officer in the U.S. Army to defend and protect the U.S. Constitution and everything that we stand for. And I've been on active duty. I served in Afghanistan. We treated hundreds of combat casualties in a, what they called it was a sort of a tented E.R. So we were far forward in Helmand Province and took care of a lot of gunshot wounds and blast injuries and a lot of really, really devastating war wounds. And so a lot of these guys that we took care of, you know, we became really good friends with over the years and we had put them on opiates and benzos and antidepressants and essentially turned all these guys into zombies. And so, you know, as I connected with a lot of these soldiers over the years after they came back, they started coming back and telling me that, look, we were able to get off our opiates or we were able to stop using our benzodiazepines or antidepressants or, you know, because we've started taking CBD and or we've started using cannabinoids. So that was a real eye-opener for me because I had never heard of this, you know, CBD before. And so I started learning about it. I started learning about cannabinoids and I became a huge advocate. And, you know, I just started looking into the history of this prohibition of cannabinoids and, you know, it just didn't make sense to me. You know, it's right now, cannabis is a Schedule I drug which technically means that it has no medical purpose and that it has a very, very high addiction potential. And as, you know, as a doctor, I know that that's just ridiculous. And also, you know, I just want to put a quick disclaimer out there that, you know, I'm not here as a representative of DOD or the Army or the medical establishment, you know. So if I say anything silly or stupid, it's just me. But, yeah, so just seeing my fellow soldiers and the veterans take it and it just changing their lives, I think, was eye-opening for me. And so, as I started learning more and more about cannabinoids, I looked at what, you know, Israel's doing and the IDF, you know, they actually allow their soldiers to use some of these cannabinoids while they're, you know, still active duty because this stuff works. And they found that it works very well for PTSD, for sleep disorders, for chronic pain. You know, and we really should start to de-schedule cannabis and really start to allow our soldiers to take it. Wow, what a journey. Okay, so, man. So, Sigism started right when you were a child. That was also with the family as well? Yeah, yeah, I mean I, we've, you know, our family is all sick. We, Sigism is a monotheistic religion based out of what is India today. You know, it's one of the world's youngest, youngest major religions. It's only 500 years old. But it comes out of what is the Punjab region of India. And, you know, the Sikhs have spread all over the world. The Defense Minister of Canada is a Sikh. CEO MasterCard, Jai Banga, he is a Sikh, you know, and so a lot of times we get, you know, we get a lot of backlash for, from the terrorist attacks in 9-11, you know, and we, people call us by names, you know, I remember being at a movie theater right after the 9-11 attacks and people would call me Osama bin Laden, just stupid stuff and just, we had to deal with a lot of hate crimes and hate speech after 9-11. And so it's been tough, you know, and we, I've got a lot of wonderful, beautiful Muslim friends, and so we never want to throw them under the bus. So I resist the urge of, you know, when we have an ignorant person, you know, coming to me and trying to, you know, throw hate speech at us, you know, because they think we're terrorists or something. You know, we don't say, oh, yeah, but we're not, you know, Muslim, or oh, we're not this or that because it's wrong to hate any community. So we've resisted that urge, at least most of us, I think, have resisted that urge to throw another community under the bus. And I think it's unfortunate that, you know, the world we live in right now, we, you know, the parts of the current administration would love it if we, you know, demonized immigrants, you know, or demonized Latinos, or demonized Mexicans, you know, saying that they send us rapists and murderers and stuff. It's just ridiculous. If you look at the true statistics, even undocumented immigrants that come to this nation have a crime of, you know, have a crime rate less than the average US population, you know, the legal US population. So I think there's a lot of fear among ring in society right now. Politics comes into play and they just, you know, they paint a narrative which is not accurate. And being a Sikh has been a major aspect of, you know, who you've become and kind of like what you've then been able to bring. There are so many pillars of that school of thinking that I think have a major philosophical grounding in the importance of treating each other with dignity and respect, treating this all like a divine experience that we all get to be a part of. And that's, I think, why when you give us the story of you being in armed forces, that you have an actual deep empathy for other humans that are going through process of getting injured and then getting addicted to solutions that are actually really bad band-aids that have much better solutions available that are currently illegal. And so that's kind of what I'm seeing and who you are and what you're becoming. I think this is like a very unique. It's really tough, you know, we, I think the military is one of those places where we just, we give our soldiers all these medications but those medications aren't necessarily healing them. You know, it's just numbing them to the outside world. It's numbing them to their pain but it's also just not making them functional human beings. And I think if we can, you know, there is a role for some opiates. I mean, like for acute pain when somebody's got a really bad fracture, you know, they're gonna want something to take that pain away. You know, you're not gonna give them some THC or CBD and say, hey, this is gonna take care of your pain or you're not gonna do any sort of major surgical procedure, you know, without some of these strong narcotics. It has a place but for those people that are sort of more chronically injured, you know, putting them on opiates and benzos and antidepressants for a long term, I think we'll also have some really serious side effects and consequences and it doesn't make them functional. But the people that I see that have been, you know, taking cannabinoids for their conditions, these are good functional human beings. You know, they're like, they're not like they're not zombies. And that's, you know, at least that's my opinion and that's what I've seen. That these soldiers, these friends of mine over the years, they've been able to get off their opiates and benzos that they seem to be much happier and much more well-adjusted. It's hard, you know, after you come back from Iraq or Afghanistan or wherever you've served, it's hard reintegrating and readjusting for a lot of soldiers. And the cannabinoids seem to really help with a lot of the problems that they face. Take us to where we typically don't get the opportunity to immerse ourselves into what goes on. We don't really get to see what is going on with the military in these places. And you were giving us these instances of people coming in with very, very serious injuries and very serious PTSD, just things that need serious healing. And in those instances, what remedies are provided are actually, you know, that's a major principle, but also the principle, even prior to that, is why are we there and what are we doing there? And so, yeah, take us through your thoughts around that. Yeah, it's frustrating because a lot of, I think a lot of soldiers go through that same line of questioning. You know, when we deployed, we didn't really, you know, we had a mission, right? Especially as a medical team, we knew we were there to treat soldiers, but why were we really there, you know? And I think a lot of people still have those questions. I don't think we've really answered some of those questions even now. But we were there for each other and soldiers always have each other's backs. And so we carry that with us our whole lives. So I wanna be able to be there for our soldiers even now in any way possible. And so I find it criminal that we're keeping this type of medicine away from our veterans. And of course, the larger American public as well, but when we have potentially a solution that can, that's not gonna make them addicted, that will make them better functional human beings that allow them to maybe connect with their families again. I just think it's wrong that the VA and other federal agencies don't allow soldiers or their families to take this stuff. So there's a couple things here. The first one is that how does one then even begin to work with a country that has the largest military industrial complex that has a lot of history of going and making interventions around the world and attempting to understand and maybe catalyze some sort of change towards peace and towards harmony, towards love and understanding. How does that happen? I think all things happen for a reason. And I firmly believe that if a hemp and cannabis are coming up now at a period in our history which seems very, very dark in some regards, I think this plant has come about because it's time. It's time for us as a civilization to start to reintegrate with this plant and all the benefits that come with it. I mean, you're talking paper and fiber and medicines and fuel, energy. There's so much you can do with hemp. I mean, we can get rid of our dependence on plastics. If we really wanted to, you could replace it, replace all that with hemp. And so the, I think the world needs this plant right now and the United States is poised to become the largest hemp producer I think in the matter of the next five to 10 years. Recently we've heard that China is also... China is gearing up and it's gonna be a race now. But US grown agricultural products go all over the world. I mean, nobody can compete with American farmers. And our soil is amazing, it's clean. A lot of times when stuff comes out of China, you know, they have a lot of heavy metal contamination. You know, their stuff is not necessarily clean. And we've seen that time and time again with a number of the products that we get from there. So I think there will always be a good demand for American grown agricultural products. I love how you said that if we really unleash this hemp and cannabis revolution and we could potentially even decrease our interventionist military policy. Yeah, yeah, you know, it's gonna heal the world. I really do think so. Cause we're fighting for resources. You know, when it comes down to it, we're fighting, countries are fighting each other for resources. So if hemp can help provide some of the energy. And sometimes faith. Land, money, sometimes... Yeah, land, money, other things. We see other resources, natural resources. But it also, you know, if it's medicine and it decreases our healthcare costs, you know, how much are we spending on opiates every year, right? And when we're generating more opiate addiction, how much does that cost? Yeah, and if we can reduce that by even a fraction of a bit, you know, where we're doing so much for the world. And that's why I think, you know, that the benefit to the world is gonna be multifactorial. And I think it's gonna really start to help address some of the major issues that we're facing. You know, I think hemp could be one of the techniques, one of the answers that we use to try to combat climate change. You know, if we're not cutting trees down for paper and we're instead using hemp fiber for paper, it's a wonderful renewable resource. Again, we're starting to slowly heal the planet again. So, yeah. That vision is very close to the heart. It will enable us to find a greater amount of peace and harmony together. And I love how it decreases the disputes over religion, over land, over resources. It has a lot of consciousness awakening potential as well to help catalyze those things that we just listed. Yeah, it's a very spiritually ascending technology. And with the right kind of indigenous ethos, that knight needs to come with that though in order for it to be treated that way. There's also some cases of extreme, the dichotomy to that being hyper-recreational escapism or whatever else it can... And you know, I'm not judging those folks. I think that there is a time and place for different things. And if some people want to use it recreationally, that's totally fine. And they feel like they need to do that. We can go off too far on that. Right, but nobody's used as a substitute for finding the meaning or finding the North Star in life. And then that is... Yeah, but nobody ever dies from cannabis. Nobody's... But you can get derailed from your North Star trajectory if you're not careful with the way that you use it. Absolutely, and I think there's an inherent danger in using mind-altering substances that... So I personally, I don't use cannabis or weed and I wouldn't want my kids to use it. But if they need it to use it medically, then I think that's totally fine. And I... Or if you need to use it medically. Or if I need to use it medically, I would be totally fine with that. And so we... There's non-psychoactive times of non-psychoactive components. So THC, as a lot of folks know, or is the psychoactive component to it, one of the psychoactive components to it. But CBD alone doesn't make you high. And I know a lot of soldiers that have told me that it helps them fall asleep at night. They can finally sleep without having some of their nightmares, helps their PTSD. It's just, you know, it's not a panacea. So it's not like, you know, you can use it for everything. But for the things that especially soldiers face, I think it's pretty good. And let's talk about then all that now. So, you know, as you're here now at New West Summit and you come back from, you know, seeing firsthand what is being prescribed as band-aids rather than the most optimal solutions, being able to leverage cannabinoids, how are you doing your work in the industry for that healing and ascension? Well, in multiple ways, we have a farm in Oregon that we grow organic, in an organic way. Hemp, we've tested the soil, we've tested the water, made sure everything's all wonderfully clean. And then we test everything again once we harvest it just to make sure we use, you know, organic fertilizers. So that's one way, you know, we have a large farm and we want to help grow the industry, literally. But we want to do it in a responsible way. And then I help out with a brand called Warfighter Hemp. It's a CBD brand by veterans, not just for veterans, but for everybody. So half of the profits from Warfighter goes back to veterans' charities. And I love that, I love their mission. I don't make any money from them, but I helped out as their scientific advisor. So they're a good brand, I know that it's clean, it's potent, it is what they say it is. You know, I read an article recently that a third-party company tested a bunch of CBD and cannabis products and half of them didn't even have what they said, what the product labeling said it had. So, you know, I think the industry has a bit of a problem. And I really do hope that the industry will mature soon, because otherwise we're providing products and it may just be garbage. And that's gonna turn consumers off and that would be a shame, because this is a wonderful product and we just need to be, as an industry, a little more responsible. Yeah. And then do you also then have within what the focuses are right now, it's just 220 acres in Oregon, hemp. Industrial hemp, it was a rough year in Oregon. I mean, I think it just snowed in Colorado this earlier this week and it's only, you know, it's only October, that's not normal. So, Oregon's also been hit with some cold weather and precipitation, which, you know, late in the season isn't really good for hemp. So I know a lot of farms, I mean, we're sort of lucky, but a lot of farms in Oregon have just been devastated. So we, you know, we feel for them, it's not easy to grow this stuff. It's, you have to have, you have to have some experience and you have to know what you're doing. I know a lot of folks left the cannabis industry to start, you know, as soon as the farm bill passed and they said, oh, we're gonna just grow hemp and make millions of dollars, but it's not quite that simple. It's, it is quite difficult to grow in some respects and you have to have some knowledge there. And then this is all for sale as well on your, yes. Yeah, yeah, so we're definitely looking for buyers for our biomass, so we'll probably have like 300,000 pounds of industrial hemp to sell and we'll have to likely move that in the next month or two. Wow, that's a lot. Wow, wow. And then warfighter, warfighter. Warfighter hemp, yeah. Warfighter hemp, interesting. That's the. That's the brand that I help out. Yeah. The, you know, a good bunch of veterans, good guys, just trying to, you know, do some good in this world. And that's through education and then through delivering the actual. Product, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a certified organic product and very potent. I mean, they make a 6,000 milligram bottle. And so each of the doses there is 200 milligrams. So, you know, very potent. And we've had a lot of really wonderful success stories with veterans and, you know, non-veterans taking it for a variety of conditions sometimes. They're cancer patients or sometimes they're folks that just have chronic pain from their injuries. And so if you go to the website at warfighterhemp.com, you can read, you know, the, you know, hundreds of testimonials from, you know, from the folks that take warfighter hemp and it's really nice. It's really nice to be helping folks out like that. And it's as a substitute for, oh yeah. Yeah, as a straight up substitute. And also as a healing mechanism for PTSD. And okay, wow. So physical injury, psychological trauma, yeah. How many people would you say right now are coming home from war or the military with serious physical injury or psychological trauma? And how many are getting, are you guys onboarding onto a warfighter hemp and yeah. Well, so the VA and the military system doesn't quite allow or advocate for any cannabinoid. Right now, including CBD. Now, if you're taking a CBD isolate that doesn't have any THC in it, then should be okay. But, you know, it's something that you probably would want to talk to your command about or at least your doctor and see and make sure that they're okay. But yeah, it's, you know, I think every soldier that comes back from a deployment has some degree of injury, you know, be it either physical or psychological and it may not be clinically significant. You know, some people can deal with their PTSD very well because they have an excellent support system. You know, my family, a huge family. And before I deployed, you know, they dropped everything. You know, my parents, my wife and they just, they came down and they spent a week with me at Fourpoke in Louisiana. It's not really a whole lot down there. But they spent a week down there just before I deployed just to be there with me. And then, you know, when I came back, they were all there for me. So I know that a lot of folks don't have that type of a support system. Wow. So I know a lot of soldiers have a really, really hard time, you know, with that reintegration piece. So we're hoping that we will be able to someday work closely with the VA and, you know, the military as an institution to try to get this stuff into soldiers' hands. And what is the roadmap for something like that? It's gonna take time. You know, I want to say something like five to 10 years, maybe just for CBD alone. And then, And who needs to be talked to for this? You know, the director of the VA, you know, and then the chiefs of staff of each of the agencies, you know, for the Army, for the Navy, for the Marines, and the Coast Guard, the Air Force, all of them need to be on board. And unfortunately in the Pentagon, a lot of these guys that are in charge of these services are, you know, they're in their 60s, they're older folks, and they just think, when they think cannabis, they think of somebody, you know, smoking, you know, a big blunt. So most folks these days, especially in places where it's legalized, like over 80% of the public is taking it as a consumable, yeah, like in food, as an oil, they're using it as a tincture. So I think there's a lot of- Misconceptions. Misconceptions, a lot of ignorance about- Also lobbyists that have pushed for certain agendas that how do you break through, the VA is probably one of the biggest clients of the pharmaceutical industry. Oh my gosh, yeah. I mean, you can't imagine the amount of opiates and other narcotics that are prescribed through the military and the VA system. You know, that losing that would be huge. And so there, I am sure, are lobbyists that are pushing on those elements to not allow any sort of cannabinoids. Well, this seems like a inevitable emergence and to have the old code die faster so that the new code can come in and do the healing that it needs to do and save the lives it needs to save and enable more time with the families, more creative time, yeah, is very, very important. I was just gonna say, I think, you know, we sometimes like to beat up on the current administration or some folks do, but the current administration did pass the current farm bill. I mean, and that did legalize hemp. So I think we do, we should- The current farm bill legalized the growth of hemp, industrial hemp. Industrial hemp, nationally federally, yeah. Nationally federally. The current administration did. Yeah. Well, this is something that hopefully hardcore people that are against the administration can hopefully see as something beneficial. Yeah, it's something that's positive that's come out. And there's big, big Republican politicos that have invested in hemp and CBD. I know that a number of senators and Republican congressmen as well as Democrats that have both started investing in hemp. So we, you know, I think this is not really a partisan issue. It's not really a political issue in that regard. This is really just a health issue. Yeah. And it's a public health issue. Public health issue and a spiritual also. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I love it, yeah. So we do really just need to open the doors here and allow our public access to it. Wow. Yeah, that's such a great way to put it that same sort of mentality is how we've, as we've been interviewing people from maps and multi-discipline association for psychedelic studies, we've also been talking about as a public health issue as a spiritual issue that seeing it that way is gonna help a lot in education around that for the world's very, very important to begin seeing it that way. And hopefully we can distribute content that helps people see it that way. Where do you see this emerging market of cannabis and hemp and then the way that every single emerging market pride or that has pretty much emerged where fruits are mostly allocated towards the top percentages of people that come in and invest versus how does this one have fruits that become democratized and distributed? Yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen. I just, I don't, we are a capitalist nation and sometimes we are more capitalist than we are democratic. And I think that today's day and age is a good reflection of that. So I think the cannabis industry and the CBD industry much like many others will start to grow rapidly once large corporate players get involved. And that's just sort of the reality of the situation. Now like me, I'll give you a good example. Like me as a small hemp farmer, 220 acres sounds like a lot, but it's really, it's nothing. Once these big corporations come in, they're gonna grow like 20, 30, 50,000 acres and they're gonna dominate the market. Then little guys like us, what are we gonna do? We're just, we'll grow for ourselves. Yeah, yeah, grow for ourselves. But these corporations are gonna make a ton of money over this internet. I just don't see any way around it. Now they're still gonna be doing good, right? They're still bringing this plant to market. They're still bringing it to the masses. We'll hopefully still see a ton of innovation using hemp, getting rid of regular plastics and using hemp, hemp-based plastic or bioplastic as a substitute. And so all these industries will start to develop. So the corporate capitalist model isn't all evil. It has a place in the ecosystem, but I don't. And I could be wrong, but I just don't see this industry becoming sort of democratic as an industry where the little people will get to make tremendous amounts of money from it. This is one that, this one and blockchain crypto and decentralization tech, I hope those two, as they emerge, and this one with Canvas and Hemp, also I lump in the psychedelic and theogenic renaissance into it as well. I hope these two emerging markets do what the previous emerging markets were not able to do, which is then distribute the fruits well. And you're right, there will be a lot of important capitalistic investing to move things along and innovation that happens is fantastic. Yet we are very, more and more is pointing towards if people are not inclusively stakeholder into the process of the progress of society, there will be more issues that come up. So you make a really great point there. I think if we simply concentrate wealth at the very top, we're gonna end up destroying this experiment. It's not sustainable for the long run. And the only way we can sustain this is if we can sort of have more equality in the way this business is done and handled and have more quality in the offerings. So as a nation, I think we need to take a hard look at our capitalist tendencies and figure out how to open up those opportunities to communities and people that have not traditionally been able to access them. And I think that's it. The inner cities and some of these really poor communities, I think there should be a way for the government to come in and say, hey, if you wanna open up a business or if you wanna become a hemp farmer or something else, we can help you do that. And I think the government owes us that. Oase the people that because- The creation of opportunity potentially if the government's already gonna be growing so much industrial, maybe they can give the opportunity to people that are historically unable to partake in it. Also, there's just the microfinance revolution happening so people can potentially put in just 10 or 100 or 1,000 bucks into the big pots of the multi-million dollar project. So hopefully the regulations can, those frameworks as well can evolve in. Absolutely. And it's gonna take some time, but I would much rather give downtrodden communities an opportunity to be a part of this industry and make some money rather than just give them, you know, money. Just, you know, I think government programs are great and I think there's, they have some utility. They have a lot of utility. But meaning every day is the fire under the butt. Yeah, and I've had friends and family that have, you know, had to go to the, they've been laid off and had to rely on, on, you know, government assistance just to make it buy, make it through. And it's not a good feeling. You know, nobody wants that, you know? Nobody wants, nobody's sitting there and saying, oh yeah, we're sitting in the den of luxury with this government handout, you know, which is, it's a measly sum. It's not making anybody rich. And we need to really help these communities in a more meaningful way and help uplift them through business and commerce. The two questions that we typically ask at the end of the show to our guests, one of them is, do you think we are in a simulation? Are we in a simulation? We're definitely in a simulation. Expand more for us. Oh, I think when you look back on ancient philosophies, you know, you could take any tradition, you know, they tell you, and I could tell you, at least from the sick perspective, we're told that this is not, this is not reality, that there is another layer to this, something else. And it's not necessarily heaven or hell, it's just that there is something, there's something behind this, this, this. There's a veil. There's a veil. And we're piercing it with our consciousness awareness increasing. Yeah, some do, some can. But I think we as a whole, as a humanity, need to definitely start to maybe lift the veil a little bit. And, you know, I don't know if it's a computer simulation, maybe it's some sort of a natural simulation, or maybe there's another dimension beyond this. I think quantum physics says that there are potentially 11 different dimensions or 12, I don't know, they keep changing their minds. Strength, theorists. Yeah, so. Okay, I have the other question. What do you think's the most beautiful thing in the world? It's my wife watching. My wife. She's not a thing, though. I think that the most beautiful thing in the world is the human heart. And just watching people do wonderful, beautiful things. I think all that stems from the heart. 100,000 beats a day. It's incredible. It is. And there's kind acts of love and. Yes. Come on. Pleasure. Thank you. Thank you so much. What an incredible conversation. Thank you. Thank you for all your great work. Thank you. Thanks everyone for tuning in. We greatly appreciate it. We'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments below on the episode. Let us know what you're thinking. Check out the links in the bio below to Kamal's work. Also check out the links in the bio below to New West Summit. Check out the links in the bio below to our show as well. Help support all of us. Help us continue doing cool things like coming here for powerful interviews with leaders. Also go and build the future everyone. Manifest your dreams into the world. We love you very much. Thank you for tuning in. And we will see you soon. Peace. Awesome. Great job. Thank you. That was. I hope it's interesting for folks. It was really great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We did a great job. I had a great time. Thank you. I did too. Good. I'm so glad to hear that.