 Lovely I Believe so. Yeah, I think it's pretty lovely. Yeah, all righty then I guess I'll just start recording Here we go The Daily Tech news show with Tom Merritt is funded by patrons like you and me each month I pledge one dollar being British I had no idea what a dollar was so I stayed up for hours Researching and discovered that it is about sixty-two pence to pledge sixty-two p. Or perhaps even more go to patreon.com slash ace detect This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday, August 5th, 2015. I'm Tom Merritt joining me today again on a Wednesday Post-nurtacular back in the house. Mr. Scott Johnson. How are you? Hey? We missed your last Wednesday? I hope things were nice and beautiful Seattle I guess I saw you in between then and now so does rarely matter but it's because I know you did Yeah, in fact what I've been working on when I go away for these weeks, and I've got one more week to go away on Posted you can go watch it on MSN. Look. Let's just look at my Twitter feed find it But it's three of the episodes. They're a little three-minute vignettes called connected tech Are out there. Well, it's good. I had a great time with you this weekend. It was wonderful to see everybody I was fantastic man. Thanks again as you bet and having you there was made it all the more fantastic the live Dts was a huge hit just a great time all around and thank you everybody who came and saw us and saw us on current geek and everything Else we'll talk more about that on Friday But what a what a great turnout what a great bunch of people and just what a good time their tech their 2016 tickets going on sale Oh, man, I just I know I just realized I was about to give you nightmares with that joke So let's move on to the headlines Recode reports Facebook has added a live streaming app to its app mentions if you're like wait a minute I don't have this app mentions. What is this app mentions? Oh, it's for influencers Thousands of influencers use mentions the app is meant to help famous people understand Facebook Notifications of live streams will show up for the common people if they have recently interacted with the celebrities Facebook page Maybe leave in a comment doing a like Or if you just stream a lot of video you may see a link show up in your news feed there Don't forget Facebook auto plays videos and counts any video that plays for three seconds or more as a view Or as Hank Green calls it a lie dirty dirty lie Yeah, so Hank Green YouTube creator Extraordinaire the one one of the Green Brothers that founded VidCon Has a great medium post talking about how Facebook's touting all these videos But when when you count a video as a view after three seconds a lot of people don't even realize the video is playing in the first three seconds Yeah, when it's auto playing like that I've often wondered about that too and it's nice to have some confirmation on those numbers But when I'll I'll be scanning through something on Facebook. I'm not necessarily even looking at the video I may be reading the post above or below it and three seconds are going by and it's within the auto play sort of view I guess they're counting that but I'm not actually watching it So and and honestly this Facebook live-streaming thing. I got no problem with it. I think it's fine The whole influencers peddling the influencers thing makes perfect sense to me within the world of Facebook That's where you're gonna sell ads. I don't I don't love it You know, I'm more I like to have a more egalitarian playing field, but Facebook's never been like that. So Sure, why not Facebook should try some live-streaming woman Hope they're gonna start that way and then eventually Tom and I can get our own Facebook streaming page And you know, I don't even want it if I wasn't good enough for you now Facebook When when we talk to me later, maybe I'll want it later I don't know Google announced today that it's gonna introduce a monthly security update for all Nexus devices That's good news nine to five Google reports that first the first update rolls out today for the Nexus 4 5 6 7 Nexus 9 Nexus 10 and Nexus player Google says it will guarantee major updates for two years and then security patches for three years Total which is really good Samsung also announced a newer faster pace for security updates for its Galaxy devices Which will arrive about once a month, which is also pretty good Yeah, I mean some people can complain that two years isn't enough for guaranteeing updates Certainly, this is an attempt to make sure that Android platform stays more secure. So I applaud that All of this is the shakeout of Mobile's popularity skyrocketing and so now the malware makers are targeting that platform and so we have to see moves like this and The fact that the mobile platform is just now maturing I think in maybe four or five years You'll see operating systems supported much farther You know two to three years will seem short by that point But it's just that you know a three-year-old device is so much farther behind a current device than a one-year-old device Yeah, I agree and I wonder if Apple maybe is Enjoys a different problem here because they have this crazy number that they always tell they're like, okay We just released an iOS update and already 85% of users are using it When you own the hardware and the operating system, it's easier to force that stuff Absolutely, absolutely, but I guess it takes them out of having to say and yes We're still supporting the 3gs these many years later because they figure they've got enough numbers on their side to say well Clearly we need to be supporting the 85% who have already upgraded and so in a way, you know Their closed system which works against them in so many ways Maybe serves them in that one and Gadget reports Intel announced its first six generation Skylake based 14 nanometer processors The core i7-6700k and the i5-6600k both can be overclocked That's what the K in the name means the i7-6700k is 350 bucks and the i5-6600k comes in at 243 bucks and Antex says the 6700 saw a 5% performance game over the i7-4790k And a 19% gain over the i7-4770k Those are both Haswell processors Intel also announced the new Z170 chipset for Skylake that features support for DDR4 Intel's new HD 530 graphics as well as 16 PCI Express 3.0 lanes That's that's some good fast stuff. You can support some extra solid state drives that way maybe more details on the rest of Skylake's lineup will come at the Intel developers forum on August 18th Although a lot of that has been leaked credibly out there already and they're expecting a launch of the full line sometime in Q3 Pretty good jumps on performance on those. I guess I'm pretty happy to see that But I'm continually unhappy to see that Intel has still taped a terrible naming conventions for their ships I kind of wish they were less nebulous and confusing and you mean I mean Skylake or i7-6700k Kind of all of it. I guess I don't know. Maybe it's just a branding thing I remember the good old days when you could say I had a Pentium 60 and you knew what the crap you were talking about So Skylake Just need to get someone to sing their their announcements better than lollipop or fried chicken How about this one 9 to 5 Google reports YouTube will no longer freeze views at 301 plus while it verifies the views are real I was just complaining about this yesterday because I put up a fake trailer for the World of Warcraft movie that we premiered at Nerdtacular and For most of the day it said 300 plus one of Michael that usually is a sign the things are going a little bonkers And I want to see where we're going and I couldn't see it Well instead it will only count views it can be sure our real meaning numbers This or real meaning these numbers may climb slowly or won't pause but in other words They want to show numbers that seem accurate there You know relatively full views of the video and you're not gonna have to wait around all day for their algorithm to sort of Uncash it all figure out what they actually got before you see it And I think this is really good for some of the hired level youtubers who do you know their business is based on We've got to hit 300k views of this or we're in trouble if it doesn't do it in five days They can do a lot better matrix with this so I think it's good. Yeah, so they'll check if you're a real person in Real-time and if the view looks suspicious, they won't add it to the count They'll hold it while they determine whether it seems to be a real view and if it does turn out to be a real view They'll add it later. It's not like you'll miss the count. It'll just keep the count moving instead of pausing like that It's funny is I weirdly I feel like I'm gonna miss it as a thing. I expect to see You're getting sentimental for the old days already the old YouTube days You were just complaining about it and now you're already set of that amazing that I'm part of the problem Tom not part of Also, my wife works at YouTube Reuters reports that China's Ministry of Public Security will set up network security offices in Major Internet companies deputy minister Chen Jimin said the authorities want to quote Catch criminal behavior online at the earliest possible point Government published a draft cyber security law last month consolidating its control over data the law strengthens user privacy protections and increases government powers to obtain records on and block dissemination of private information deemed illegal So it seems like they're just beefing up What they already were doing right? Well, they're putting government officials inside private companies Which is something that just seems crazy if you're from the United States But the idea is that they they want to protect citizens privacy and also make sure that nothing that the government doesn't want to go On the internet goes on the internet. No, it's so it's kind of like have an um imagine a Marshall on an airplane like a like a mandatory Marshall For security on an airline full of people. It seems like that kind of idea. I Wouldn't obviously I feel like the intention is very different. It's all very I don't know big brother and everything But I wonder if they'll be welcomed as a company's gonna. I guess they have to it's the law. Yeah, they will be Come on in. Here's your why me would they give them their own cubicle? I kind of don't have a choice. I'm guessing all right. It's you know, the government's sending them in there, but yeah This is what they do there. We're okay. I just want to put it out there that it sounds crazy to me But it's okay. Yeah, I know it's different. It's different. Yeah when we get this firefly times will all agree on something Reuters reports Facebook launched a new feature that lets businesses now add a send message button to ads allow users to send private messages So if an user posts a comment on a company's Facebook page that a company can privately message that user so they can kind of get Directly in touch users will be able to block private messages from businesses and those companies that respond to 90% of messages Within an average time of five minutes. They then get a badge on their page that says very responsible to messages So there you go. I still I'm trying to imagine again, but they're they're creating a new layer. It feels like to me of We're not going to send people to your website anymore It's kind of like Google plan to have you know buying right in the ads and others are trying to do this too But they just want to put this new layer in that says don't bother going to Sony comms an example Just talk to a customer service rep right here or get in touch with somebody about sales right here and Eliminate these extra steps for buying for service for whatever Pardon me really likes that pardon me is annoyed by that because I don't feel like I wanted to let Facebook be that layer But I don't know where do you stand on that? Yeah, I we've talked a couple times this week about social networks Sort of undermining the way the web is supposed to work and the freedom and decentralization of that And I don't like things to continue that way on the other hand saying, you know Hey, a company can earn a very responsive to messages badge And so I know that hey, that's a good company. That's more consumer information for me And I'm all for that so I wouldn't say that don't do this feature Which is a good thing improving communications between businesses because I hate everything else Let's fix the other problem first and then stuff like this will be great I I would prefer this be a decentralized system right where it doesn't it's not just Facebook But there's a way that you know businesses can use the internet and the web to do this all over it You wouldn't have to go to Facebook to take advantage of the interesting to talk to somebody in like chief operations position who would tell us Is it is it a big deal when these things come up? They're kind of not forced on them, but the new innovations come up and they're like oh Twitter That's the thing. We better have somebody on every day responding to questions or we're gonna look bad And if we're not quick about getting back. Oh, here's Facebook. We got to have somebody doing that Maybe it's the same person. Maybe it's no big deal. Well, and in some cases, they're overdoing it yesterday we ordered some food we started to order some food from an app called postmates and the we got blitz charging because it was a busy time and then even when we'd like grid at our teeth and like well Let's try it. It was taking forever to find a driver that would bring us our food And so we canceled and I lean on Twitter just said Yeah, it didn't really work a postmates trying something else and then the postmates people like what can we do? DMS we want to help and we're like no you can't really help that like the service. We'll try it again later Don't worry. Yeah, it's just interesting because I feel like they're they all have to be dancing all the time now I mean you can't make more drivers appear and then lower your blitz pricing. That's just where's our eBay rating? Where's our business better business Bureau rating? Oh, no our Twitter ratings down like it seems like a lot to manage and It's it's starting to cost companies more as all ours Technica reviewed the new DJI phantom 3 standard It costs $200 less than the phantom 3 advanced But you have to give up downward-facing camera the light bridge video downlink that lets you do live streaming and glow nas Support, which is the Russian based GPS like system and that would give you added accuracy It doesn't matter whether in Russia or not I does have a better camera with 2.7 case support and longer range in battery life than the DJI vision 2 plus That DJI vision 2 plus is $200 cheaper So pretty much the DJI phantom 3 standard at $800 and available today is perfect if you have exactly $800 to spend Well, that's a pretty good deal I'm not gonna I'm not gonna quibble with that actually that you kind of you kind of got me interested It's funny though I couldn't hear you read this without thinking about that prison story that I read on the morning stream this morning About drugs being all right. Yeah. Yeah prison yard and like nine people in the in solitary confinement now as a result and Man every day. I swear. We're gonna hear about new ways to use your $800 phantom You haven't thought of before perhaps illegally so there you quad copter responsibly ladies and gentlemen That's all I say that's all we're asking Reuters has an advanced copy of a report from an Australian Senate committee That will recommend treating digital currencies as money This simplifies taxes while forcing Bitcoin exchanges to monitor customers for monitor money laundering and of course terrorism The changes would bring Australia in line with the UK Spain Canada and Singapore Report also calls for Australia to change its anti money laundering and counterterrorism finance laws to include all digital currencies And that would include Bitcoin and any others that crop up Yeah, I in more Bitcoin news lot Polish airlines now accepts Bitcoin and payment for airfare Payments are being handled by Polish payments platform PSP say that ten times fast Poland offers more NFC and Bitcoin payment options than anywhere else in Europe according to tech crunch air lituanica and air Baltic also accept Bitcoin So Bitcoin making strides especially in buying airline tickets in Eastern Europe. Yeah, I Still me. You know me I'm always asking you more questions about Bitcoin that I'm probably allowed to and I still don't complete It's like a furry rainbow that you lay across a lake of fire. Does that help got it? And if I have a Sony PSP Wait now. I've really screwed it up. Yeah, what were you gonna say? Oh, I really it's just so Confusing to me and I know it is to common people So to be able to say that yes, you can buy airline stuff with this to me that implies that It's part of a credit card or it's part of us some other way of me conveniently doing a thing at a desk at an airport Is it that easy now that I can just pull up that stuff? I guess it is there But it is still still seems so when you use a credit card. What do you pay that credit card with? You mean later after I get built yeah, I play it I pay it with money from a bank, right? What kind of money? Paper money sometimes what kind of what denomination what what what currency of dollars American when you go overseas to Europe And they don't take dollars. What do you do with it? I? converted into euros or okay now imagine there's a place called the internet where you can convert your euros and your dollars into Something called Bitcoin. Ah, so you're saying just because in my head and and everyone at home is laughing at me Because I've but this has always been hard for me because they're stuck right big coin to me was never a thing I could convert into and you're telling yes, I can I can get the Bitcoin Yeah, exactly. It's just another currency. Okay, so you look at it that way makes sense. So it's like dong or Yen or anything else, right? Okay. All right, can the chair kind of make one tiny request sure I'm not Japan drop the yen altogether and go Bitcoin because I don't think that's what they were talking about in Greece Oh really in Greece. They were like there was a movement It was it didn't get too much traction, but people like well if we leave the euro Let's just adopt Bitcoin Well, the reason I'm arguing in foreign Japan is I don't think I should have to buy a pack of gum for 60 billion yen That's all I'm saying. Well, sure. Let's make a more reasonable number Japan doesn't make you feel rich though Oh, like wow, I can just throw 60 billion on a pack of gum. I'm a rich man All right, let's get to some news from you Actually, we've already gotten to several of the Polish lot story for was one lots people submitting great things on our subreddit DailyTechnewshow.Reddit.com hot branch sent us this one the TechCrunch report that on Tuesday Netflix announced expanded maternity and paternity leave for all employees Policy allows parents to take as much time as they want during the first year after a child's birth or adoption Parents can then return part-time full-time or kind of come-and-go as needed today Microsoft also announced that all 12 of its parental leave weeks will be paid now instead of just eight paid and four not and Mothers can also take two weeks of leave before or or Mother's still been additional eight weeks of paid maternity disability that previously existed. It's pretty awesome actually and Like noticed it came right like the Netflix announcement came right after their earnings stuff Is there any is there any reason why you'd say that stuff after an earnings call rather than before do people speculate on that? Or is it is it just they just happen to be the order they did? Yeah, I'm there's lots of reasons Sometime something with that's giving an employee benefit might seem like a distraction to investors I guess so maybe you hold it until after the earnings calls over and you've let the investor fall out happen I don't know like it's like blizzard saying Yeah, we made all this money and then right after saying oh and we're giving everyone a free or it could be totally unrelated NHR was just not ready to announce it until now Also perfectly habitual Thank you. That was not even close to it. I was gonna say send us the verge report about the Grava camera This is g r a a v a is it spelled right? I guess so which like the tom-tom band It uses data from sensors to edit your video for you Robots are taking over Grava uses data from the microphone accelerometer GPS and even third-party heart rate monitors Then makes edits that match the beat of your favorite song. So I don't know. Let's just stick one in there Let's say they something new from that. They're Katy Perry alright Major laser, right? Sure. You're older than I said that Anyway, then they can sync the footage for multiple Grava cameras first units will ship in early 2016 pre-order this Grava camera Starting today at 249 I can see a pretty fun use for this because you've got let's say three of those to five of those and all your friends filming the same Content and then putting that stuff in the sinking it all in you basically Made a pretty good upload to send to your friends or put on YouTube and not worry too much about you know Basic editing so it seems like you know I was about to say that I personally just don't see the use of this and you just sold me like going to something like Nurtacular Dragoncon or Comicon and just and just shooting things and having this thing go through and go boom here Here we think is the best parts if it actually works pretty well love that Well, I like to see and tell me if you think this is crack smoking because I don't think it is someone just needs to make an app that Works on smartphones. So everybody with that app on their Android or iOS phone or whatever phone They've got can go to an event like that film it in this sort same sort of way and then somehow have all that footage Go to some server and some group somebody controls the group photo or the group video or whatever and does this same thing Well, it's like Google Auto awesome. Yeah, that's true, but you basically have a killer app I mean that is an amazing idea. It's like and that's called Google plus a man Imagine periscope, but done as if it's being filmed in an audience with a bunch of that's one of those statements I'm always hesitant to make because I'm Not Entirely unconvinced that that app doesn't already exist. Good point. So well all that says to me is hey If you know an app that does that really well, let us know. Yeah, send it in. It'll be your pick Yeah, exactly and that is a look at the headlines So for a discussion story today, we're gonna use an email. I love doing this I love when you guys send us an email that it's just so thought-provoking That it can it can engender a good discussion and we got one from Tyler aka TG Steller He says in a comment on an article I posted last week About max are up iPads are down listener JD Blake commented computer literacy is literally dying We'll let that one go computer literacy is literally dying due to iPads and other tablets Your kids are going to suffer in the business market. He says I wonder if you can comment on this You've previously addressed the place of teaching basic computer and or website coding to students I think it was Patrick Beja who advocated for teaching computer online etiquette and privacy awareness to young people The question lands somewhere in the middle should people continue to learn how to use a computer mouse and keyboard file folders windows Etc. Even if tablet smartphones and other touch-based mobile devices supplant the computer as the dominant language of interactive technology Recent generations do not know how to use rotary phones or typewriters and future generations may come to see voice-activated and Intelligent technologies like Siri or Cartana as the standard way of interacting with the technology and the internet Is there anything unique to the computer experience that is valuable in a timeless way? That should not be lost amid the March of Progress. I love this question It just really got me going today when you when you pop this over and and we were discussing You know, maybe how to talk about this today. It reminded me immediately of a typography class I took in college and as we know This day and age you don't make anything for printing or publishing that isn't on computers And one day even that printing part of it all of all the publishing may not even be what we think of it Is even today and we may have the same discussion down the road about whatever technology takes over completely from printing if it isn't already here and I'll remember I'll never forget Walking through we went through this this old printing company and looked at all the old presses And they had you know lead letters that were all lined up and hand placed on these giant racks And and they had you know We learned that letting a term used in Microsoft Word or any kind of publishing programs That that actually literally means how many slices of these of these pieces of lead Do you put between your lines and how do you create your space and you know like all of these terms we use today? When we do publishing or we do any kind of word processing base type setting font exactly all that stuff is based on these Physical items these physical tools and these skill sets that that are that in theory are going away And so I was really grateful for an opportunity to go see all that stuff even at a time when that had all already shifted and Be able to play with it make some things with it know that everything was backwards. That was the other things everything's reverse With a lot of the headlines and stuff So you had to kind of be smart about that how they're not typos and every old newspaper I don't know like it was a real skill a lot of talent involved and a lot of Intricacy and just tons of ink and crap all over you all the time like a very dirty job It's completely different now So the question is this same question to me I applied to that and say well is there going to be a time where there's value in saying other than just historical Interest in Teaching people as they grow up or go to school This is how publishing used to be this is how typewriters used to work This is how you used to have to change the tape out This is how hard it was to hit the keys none of this is relevant to anything You'll do in your professional life moving forward a creative life But we're gonna teach you that stuff anyway and honestly Tom I don't actually know because I think it's a big giant shifting timeline because at some point you go far enough back Nobody needs to teach me how to do cave drawings I'm interested they existed and I want to know who did them, but you don't need to teach me how to do it Well, it's the difference between that and learning how to use a tablet now or a PC in the 90s or whatever it is You know a VR headset in the in the 2015-2018 range You know to me it to me it just seems like a like literally a big timeline that just keeps moving forward And we try to capture as much as we can in there, but isn't that always a fluid View it's never gonna it's never gonna just be everything. We can't do everything Well, I see this is I could take this question two ways if if the commenter meant You have to learn to use a mouse and a keyboard because when you get in the business world They're not gonna let you use tablets That's as silly as someone and when we were growing up saying well You should stop playing around with your computers and learn how to use a typewriter because when you get in the business world They're gonna it's just dumb like no tablets are being rolled out to enterprise constantly In in greater numbers than ever Going into a job interview and saying oh, I grew up using a tablet is not going to be a negative In the future. It's it's there's always a process Whereby the tools that we are using are changing and they're rapidly changing So I don't think the question is should you train on the tools that have been used for the past ten years the question should be Are you able to understand? The tools that are available and understand how they work and if that's what the commenter meant Which I could see it being that way too saying, you know if you're using tablet You don't really have to get under the hood and understand how it works at all Unlike, you know our old windows and even old OS 10 machines Or you kind of had to understand how the computer worked and the metaphors of that and there's something being lost I can see that a little more It there's an upside to that too though right it also means that these so-called computer literacy skills If we're talking about computer literacy meaning like I know how to launch word and use of the laptop mouse Those are kind of ephemeral skills like their means to an end skills and they can they can be supplanted by something else in which case We don't need to retrain people as much if we have easier technology to use if tablets And smartphones make it easier for folks to pick up technology and use it which it is proving to do Then that is an overall net good for business because you don't have to spend time training people and how to use Windows 95 anymore You just give them an Android tablet and say and they go oh I just touch this and do this great I'm in I know how this works. So I think it shouldn't be about tools particularly It should be about teaching people computer literacy in understanding. This is how a computer works This is why it makes mistakes when software does this and that This is a way to think about how a computer works to help you solve and Troubleshoot when the computer doesn't do what you want sure in history Having some history of where stuff came from and how it evolved and knowing that well Folders on a desktop or even calling it a desktop is because we have other were real world Things that mimic that or they are metaphors for like an actual desks top or a folder that used to have paper in it It's easy for us to move those things forward. I remember back in You know the DOS days well, even before that people were using nothing but keyboards as input devices for computers at the time people's Apple twos and their you know, whatever their XTs and stuff and right around the time the mouse happened I was still junior high I guess and I remember very distinctly voices around me people. I knew mostly adults who said You know if this mouse thing takes off kids today aren't gonna have I don't know what the words were but basically aren't gonna have Good computer literacy because the keyboard was this powerful right dog. They aren't gonna know the keyboard shortcuts Right and can be and keyboard fluency was a very valued thing I think it still is today in a lot of Unix and Linux people would tell you that but but The idea that the mouse was gonna come along and dumb down the process for the rest of us was very very pushed down My throat it was gonna be Too easy. Well, I think we can probably all safely look at the mouse Maybe just behind the processor itself and say it might just be the most important innovation in computing history You maybe we may be able to look back 20 years after touch screens do whatever they're gonna ultimately do and say that about those I don't know but that's kind of the point We don't a great example because what I would say to that if I could go back in time is Don't not teach the kids to use the mouse Just make an extra effort to teach him what the keyboard can do so that they understand when it's actually faster to use the keyboard Versus the mouse and don't get mouse dependent That's that's what I'm said that's what I'm saying in all of this And I think all of these efforts to teach kids to code are sort of headed in that same direction Which is teach kids to understand how computers work sure and if you want to take it So the other thinking I had those take it into another area and give us a comparison that maybe takes us out of the The rigid computer thinking which is it's not really all that different than any other part of life We innovate we add to previous ideas We innovate and iterate until we come up with something better and then we move forward with that and you want to have people have an Anthropa What am I trying to say a historical perspective on Things that have come before I think that's important and that should always be taught There's a reason history is taught generally well no matter what the history But if you are a car mechanic and you want to go into working on cars If you want to have a distinct advantage in today's marketplace you better know how to work on today's cars That doesn't mean you can't appreciate a Model T doesn't mean you can't appreciate a 67 Corvette Doesn't mean any of those things in fact more history the better But but if you're talking about practical literacy in today's automotive mechanics and so on They need to know how to work on a 19 era 2007 Civic and a 2012 Lexus and they need to know that they're much more computerized and these chips do different things and some of the stuff's connected to the internet And they need to know how the engines now are timing and and how new gas technologies and hybrids work and all this other stuff What whether they know how to use a keyboard and a mouse or a tablet doesn't doesn't matter You know it really not the point there. Yeah, exactly And so my point my entire point is and I always try to think this way because as as we you and I get older as Generations just below us get older and those ahead of us get older There is this tenancy to go new stuff, man, they don't know how you know we the way we used to do it and it seems so stereotypic But it really is just a natural thing humans do and I fight it because I Just know that that mouse that still confounds my mom in some ways is The single most important thing I ever had in my hand for the last, you know my entire life when it comes to computers Absolutely who's to say a VR headset is not going to be the same thing for some kid who's growing right look at it I'm a little afraid of it. So you're some kind of some kind of Magic leap neural interface, right? That with that right now we're gonna what's gonna have what happens is the older you get the slower You get at picking up new things and so as new interfaces come along You see it as another annoying thing You have to spend a lot of time learning and you want to stick with the old way and justify the old way is better somehow That's that's essentially what goes on there. Yeah, and to give to throw a very positive spin on all of this The nice thing about what's happening is we didn't because before we kind of went from nothing to punch cards giant things But then then things kind of got more complicated because then it got into the hands of older people And they had to try to figure it out and make sense of it If anything we're now going the other direction so that my mom does know how to use a touchscreen Not a problem, you know, they can pick up a tablet and go. Yep. I know what to do I can use this phone and that helps digital literacy that expands digital literacy when people can pick up something and use It right away instead of having to spend a lot of time. That's entirely my point So I think that commenter it's hard to get exactly where their heads at But I think that they're not seeing the full picture and that there is there is way more benefit to us refining and iterating Then there ever is to us sticking, you know, the the idea of just sticking to some old way to make sure that it's you know that there's some Literacy that I'm not sure even exists. It's this again This moving target and we needed to be a moving target to stay static the one then there's nothing We're not been better stuff if you're actually interested in digital literacy Check out digital literacy gov. It is an online resource with links out to places to learn basic computer skills Even things like windows operating system training Using creative aging toolkit for libraries. There's all kinds of good stuff there that you can help people of all ages Improve their literacy. So we'll have a link to that in show notes as well Our pick of the day comes from rob executive producer t-shirt purchaser and hitch bot mourner Aren't we all we're still cheering they're saying they might bring it back to the us after they figure out how to fix it Aussie rob enjoying gray not so summary maidenhead today while playing with things for the bbc says Just wanted to pass on a suggestion for an excellent google chrome extension that stops the browser from hogging processor and memory That's music to a bunch of people's ears. It's called the great Suspender any tabs that have been sitting unused for a user configurable amount of time are suspended when you come back to the tab You're able to click on the page and the tab is instantly reloaded It is also easy to configure the extensions behavior for individual pages So you don't suspend a particular page that you don't want to have to reload I've been using it for a couple of weeks now He says and can easily see the improvement in the performance of my machine The feeling is backed up by looking at the processes running on both my work Debian jesse desktop and my work windows 7 laptop highly recommended Dude, I mean if I you just like gave me the golden goose and said here run away with it That's an amazing thing. I've got a very very specific use case for this and uh, I'm I'm all in on this This is great. I basically doesn't this is what firefox does Naturally, I've noticed in firefox if you're not you can open a bunch of tabs right like open 10 tabs But until you click the tab so it's a one use only but until you click the tab It doesn't actually load the content of that page once it's loaded. I don't know what it does Maybe it continues to keep it live and you know any kind of live updates or whatever But this is one step further and says You know if you're not going to use it for three minutes basically put it to sleep Well, and I love that I get to pick how many minutes that is and I love that I can say Oh, but the daily tech news show doc yet Don't keep that with live because I need that one to keep update Yeah, I'm installing this like at the minute we're done with the show Nice send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show dot com folks And you can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks. Okay, so yesterday I made a joke and that joke was uh regarding fax machines because charlotte asked me Uh, so who uses fax machines? And the only thing I could think of was when I was buying my house and all the real estate agents required us to fax things You couldn't do it any other way. So that's what I said Uh, renard wins the prize for being the first real estate agent to send me a correction. Uh, he says Uh, you made the comment, uh, that if you buy a house, uh, you you have to fax I run a boutique virtual assistant company and all of my clients are in real estate We most often use dot loop dot com recently published by zillow or purchased by zillow and docu sign for documents We roll our eyes when fax is the only option so There are plenty of exceptions to my joke my realtor buddy andrew would agree Um part of it is he's been he's sort of spearheaded going all Tech all digital as fast as we can kind of thing. So maybe he's an exception to the rule Maybe there's a bigger body of these guys that don't but he's gone this same route When we bought our house two years ago Uh, we specifically used dot loop and docu sign on his ipad and i don't know how long it's been since i bought a house It's been a while. Yeah But franklin said he had a good laugh at our conversation about fax machines He writes i work in healthcare and we are frequently the last bastion of old tech like pagers Remember those and fax machines among my responsibilities is the care and feeding of the remote report distribution or r r d server On an average day we send out more than 5 000 faxes containing patient results and other physician reports Yes, we have more sophisticated digital tools But nothing is as dead simple and secure as sending a fax to a verified telephone number HIPAA the health insurance portability and accountability act of 1996 Makes it problematic to send out patient data in a secure fashion Small town doctor in the middle of corn country may have not had the tech savvy to use encrypted email But they can plug in a fax machine and read a piece of paper Small town doctor in corn country Now we're going to get an email from uh, dr. Daisy my doctor in southern illinois saying we use encrypted email just fine These days it sounds like a reader. It's like a reader's digest Story or something about that guy. I'd like to read it But I don't know faxes isn't that the most hanger on technology of all time that we just can't seem to shake It seems like you know if kids don't learn about faxes They're just going to not be able to compete in today's business and thermal paper, maybe thermal paper Oh, man thermal paper is the worst wasn't it bad it curled up. It was like if it got hot Facts right away. It just became illegible because it got crumpled up and I noticed they still like some gas stations The pumps will still shoot those out for receipts and you'll leave it National and come back later and it's black. You're like dang it thermal Well, that is it for this episode of daily tech news show. Thank you Scott Johnson as always What's going on now now that nertacular is is Successfully achieved. What's next for scott? Well the subtle the settling of the dust is happening. Which is good because All in the craziness of that We also finished a Kickstarter for my comic collection from the last 15 years of my web comic at my extra life com We finished out really strong huge. Thanks. Everybody supported that and so so this month is basically Get all the shows done and then everything else is focused on getting that book Put together finished all the rewards that we've added to it get those added in And successfully push out to everybody the books. They're they're waiting so nicely for so Huge thanks again to anybody who may have supported that and I'm very excited to ship you guys. I supported that I can't wait to get my hardback book. Thank you so much. It was super nice of you I don't know why I've scheduled it so closely than nertacular because it really made for a pretty chaotic few days But I've learned my lesson and and regardless I'm it's something I've wanted to do forever and I'm just stoked to do it. So thank you everybody Well for the majority of you who listen to this show for free Be sure to thank your local dts boss If you know somebody who does support the show because they make it possible And we thank every single one of them if you want to know how to support the show Head to daily tech news show dot com slash support and join the ranks of our bosses the people who get thanked Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com. You can call us 51259 daily That's 5125932459 listen to the show live monday through friday at 4 30 p.m Eastern at player dot alpha geek radio dot com and visit our website daily tech news show dot com Back tomorrow with justin robert young talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this program Three out of five dts contributors represented at the end of every show Actually brushwood isn't a regular contributor, but he's a regular guest He's always up for something Nice to see justin's uh card game doing so good. Oh, yeah, I funded that too. I'm excited me too That's a good game Scott, I'm sort of super sad that I missed the deadline to fund that book Um, we'll still be so we'll have some store stuff All right, so I can just buy it like a human when it comes out, right? Or I'll just use You and your awesome husband to help me do some edit stuff on the final version. Well, that is something Yeah, we'll do that. We're really good at that Yeah, because I'm writing a bunch of extra stuff for it that I originally wasn't planning on doing and I don't Want to sound like an idiot, so it'll help great. Well, that was a good show. What should we call it? Um Yes, okay. Let's go to show bat. Oh, that was a good show This was a good show listen to it your use of literally is literally incorrect Uh, this is a computer system. I know this Three seconds is a lie. Yeah Long live literal literacy Lots of l's good good good uh zealodeer who has two l's literation, uh Leave flicks, which I actually kind of like Ah, but like maternity leave got it. Yeah Flicks or mom flicks or dad flicks, right? Um, Facebook mentions influences There's something in there, uh teach a man to fish ph ish Teach a kid to mouse teach a kid to mouse Uh What is I want to know what overclocking means and I'll ask later um I mean, uh Modifying your chip so that it runs faster is what it means. It also means it runs hotter. So there's risks, but yeah I got it. Cool Imagine there's a place called the internet. I like that I want to do that ad I feel like we made real progress in your understanding of bitcoin today. Yeah, I actually I do Like now that you know what no one's ever said to me. No one's ever said it's another currency Yeah, and it's something about that made a light go on. I'm like, oh well, but then okay But it's it's the way you phrase the question that made me go wait a minute You're not you're not thinking of it like this. I wonder if that'll help so I'm glad to me It's still like ah someone's got a spreadsheet with a bunch of bitcoins in it and So but here's my question about bitcoin While we're figuring out what to pick and having people vote on it So here's something happened to me where somebody said me pizza Bitcoin amounts and I didn't know what to do with it So like how if someone sends you a bitcoin, what do you do with it? Well, did you click on that link? I did and I had signed up for a bunch of stuff and then I didn't understand what happened So what you don't understand is the company that's trying to do that But the fact that it's bitcoin is no different than if it was for the dollar cents, right? All that's happening is a company is trying to make it easy to send somebody something on twitter That doesn't depend on whether it's bitcoin or not In theory one day it'll be the conversions will be easy. So for example, somebody in the uk sends me 12 euros PayPal when it gets it says these came as euros. Do you want to convert it to dollars? And I say yes, and it's done So the theory is that you would one day that would start happening. Maybe even one day PayPal another You know internet bell does I didn't know They very well may I've never gotten any so I'd never had to try it I you know I the complicated things around bitcoin or how do you keep them verified, right? Like if I could I store bitcoins on my hard drive, how do I know they're they're still there? How how do I keep them from being copied? Etc. Etc. Etc. How do I know about trend that and so everybody tries to jump to explain that part? But I think what you pointed what you revealed scott and you too jenny is that you have to get people to understand like these are just dollars That's all they are Like the only thing that is different about them is how they're managed on the back end. So instead of Uh, you know banks keeping a database That they verify you've got this blockchain system, right this distributed system And that's the nifty part of it. But beyond that they're just they're just currency I feel like that's the problem is they're explaining the nifty part first Right, which is nifty, but it doesn't feel real Or applicable or yes all that yet and whenever someone says blockchain my mind goes to sleep Like I'm done. Well, that's that's a disease That's Through hypnosis and word disassociation Blockchain It's her narco word I didn't mean to porky pig and Totally porky pig that thing Oh, by the way, I picked the title Okay, I just did it teach a kid to mouse. I just yeah, that's the main topic. It's good. I like it And look there's a kid we can teach to mouse right there Oh Ellie mouse I like one of my favorite things about daily tech news is watching ellie grow up day by day Makes me very happy. He's our age, but we will likely all be gone. I know We'll be Roger will Roger will live around. I don't know about you Scott, but uh, I plan on sticking around for a while Good I think if she's let's say she's how old are you Roger? I'm 40 All right, so 40 years will be 80 Yeah, it'll be 41 or so just or just I'm I'm pinning my hopes on advanced age uh reduction therapies and Treatments in the future Did you too much of that will all be eating each other because it will be out of resources? Uh, you know, that's that's the big one and it's it may happen But the the truth of the matter is outside of like this Indian subcontinent and Sub-Saharan Africa the birth rates on the on the planet are actually below replace replacement level At this stage it is probably as people live so long You have this you have this cohort that's growing up without people dying out at the phase that they used to So you have this glut you have this kind of bulge in the middle of people Just wait a couple a couple more I was gonna hold in the middle. I got that problem all over the place Oh Ellie look at you. You're just that cutest baby You're gonna learn how to type And you're gonna actually learn how to use a command line system because that's going to be useful You know watch remember those old Dilbert cartoons they made when they not the cartoons, but the animated series There was an episode where they had to get this one guy and they had to hypnotize them Back into understanding kobold because all the old Y2k stuff pre y2k stuff was written in kobold and he was the only one that remembered it So you're gonna be one of those people that remembers How to type? Yeah And that's the other thing I'm I've always I've always been a little been put off how people say like well Younger generation is going to understand technology better. It's like no They'll understand how to interact with it In a way that we're not familiar with because it's more natural to them because we're growing up with it But growing up I didn't understand how a tape recorder worked until I hit junior high Right how a record like even though I knew how to use a record player that didn't understand how that noise came out They don't understand they need to understand the underlying technology That's gonna learn how to do plumbing fix your younger people just pick things up faster When you're when you're and younger people are also us like it's not a separate species like when we were young We picked things up faster, too Yeah, my parents said that I say that about line They'll say that about them. They really won't be that different The thing is when whenever when I was young and my grandparents would be like, oh, you you're so smart You pick these things up. I always felt like well, it's not that hard and you know You know, you don't understand that you're picking it up faster when you're that age Yeah, but uh, definitely calculus camp Calculus camp. I don't know how to f-disc when the zombies come we get someone knows how to do it You're gonna have to learn how to rebuild society after it collapses. That's right zero out hard drives Well, let's build one of the what is it though the six I don't know what a master or a slave is. What do we do? Oh, you'll find out if If we have alien overlords. Yeah, you'll find out just right It was foretold in mad max in the subsequent sequels What's client server architecture? You just totally like you're just keep proving the point look at all the metaphors used for those names master and slave client and What'd you say? What was the other? client server Like everything's got a real world applicable thing. That's just a child when you when you develop the Male female on cables like genders Cute chapter was the name of a person who's computing And then an electric computer Is what we call computer even the original mechanical computer and then they had the electrical one Like we're right a processor used to be a person who Typed documents into a computer Does is their job and then it became synonymous with the program I look at my mixer and I just think well, that's just make it's it's audio But it's just talking about mixing things like it's all goes back to like basic humans So that's never change that was like came out during the Renaissance period There was a guy in a robe who basically Controlled the horn though be kind of funny if he did You could control the outlets of each of the hordes of the bed with a slider and so began the trombone See now you're doing the uh the fake history podcast. I want to do I this what I told didn't I tell you I wanted to make explanations BS history, but you make it sound Yes, plausible as possible. I we went over this like a couple. I totally want to do that. I want to yeah Yeah Now someone just invent the time turner and we'll be all set Um, wait, what was my other thing I was gonna ask Oh scott Yes, ma'am So on wait. I gotta pull up the counter again. Hold on. Please hold Holding Your answer to our question is very important to us. Please hang on the line Or just say hold I hate those I hate the moist ones They don't work for you Although apples works pretty good I'm gonna try that again I wonder if they'll be that in the future when she's our age. Will there still be like an apple pc windows? Or is there just going to be kind of a universal? Unix and then you just pick your front end your goo your windows manager Right on top of it It'll be in the browser Wednesday august 19th scott. That's when tom's away again Can you host I totally can that's two weeks from today. Yep two weeks from today should be fine I tried to make sure All wednesdays awesome The only one that's no that's not a thing anymore. Never mind. It's all good august is good cool What's the 19th? The 19th is a wednesday, but that's one of the days tom's away. Oh, is it what you filming again tom? Yeah, yeah, we're doing the last four episodes of connected tech. Okay, so you're gone that whole week Yep, okay No, that's all good 19 As far as who well, you just let me know who you get in the work. I get you a good one. Okay Don't worry. Never worried. I'm so much more chill now that I ain't a bit Irritacular jumpy Oh man, you guys can hear me, right? Yeah So annoying I did one of its lockups everything's frozen can't see a thing although my mouse moves and the little Beach ball spinning but And you can hear me so obviously Hangout still working like It's so weird. It's almost like imagine It's like going blind by the way you're blind is what happened is you're we're just working along All functions are working except whatever screen where it froze the screen froze But all other things were happening behind everything you just couldn't see it All you saw was the last Frame and you saw can you hear us? Yeah? But you just can't see us I can hear you I can see you too, but just tom's frozen face and you're frozen face It's as if you know like a normal screen lock up as everything's frozen and nothing works But the difference here is which is why we know it's the gpu and probably A thunderbolt problem with the display so you can't get like a replacement from them or anything They will but the it's a known issue across the board and it's yosemite specific And what's not not an issue anything else so that so the the current thinking is that apple and amd Are not getting a driver out for who knows why? Probably because they're going to wait for you to update to el capitan Probably and the rumor the other talk is that if you upgrade now, it's fine Like if I did the beta today it would work, but I have other issues I gotta watch imagine if that was a car. Oh, dude the worst I know ellie right I know Way too much formula for you today Can you guys see me? Yeah, that's that's the other thing all that stuff just keeps functioning. It's just yeah screen freezes I plugged it. Hold on. I know that sounds like something. All right. This may be the last we see if it's got jobs and No, I need to talk through that I know it sticks out and you want to grab it I want to take your face off dad What are these black things you have on your head? Oh This this is not part of your natural body get rid of it Dad I don't I Did that was Scott No, it wasn't Roger. It's just a big year. Oh my Is he being funny or is that just no, no, he went down plug something and It's caused that see honey in the in a couple of decades these creatures might no longer exist You won't know what it means Oh my god, I can bring it back to Oh, no It stopped I don't know if Scott is frozen though, or if he just hasn't come back yet Oh, I mean if someone played that to me over and over and over again, I would tell them anything they wanted to know I would just go Yeah, right Sample that Where's nesh come I know I was like so glad Tom that you tried to yes and it and I was just like I can't hear that noise I liked it Have you seen the yes and episode of bojack horsemen yet? No, not yet season two Okay, it is a Scientology slash improv comedy episode You have sold me the and and the title of the episode is yes and that's great Okay, uh, well, we're gonna that's it. I've been out of the post for a while. So Uh, everybody have a little pleasant day and we'll see you tomorrow Where in justin robert young will teach you the secrets of life