 I've been involved in crypto for quite a few years, but in regards to the DeFi space, I only came in December 9, 2020, okay? Not too long ago. As a user of DeFi, okay? But again, like with an IT background, I was involved in web development, one of the pioneers in web positioning, which is now called SEO. I used to be involved in web positioning, used to rank number one in the world on every single search engine for web designer and web developer. But this is like many, many years ago. So I kind of had that interest in the industry anyway. Now, crypto lucky, most of you have probably heard about now, who's one of my partners here, one of the founders. He reached out to me back in, and we've known each other for many, many years, but he called me up back in 2020 and he said, oh, bro, we need to get into DeFi. And I'm like, at that time, we'd just gone through the pandemic. We've had lots of issues, struggling financially. I said, bro, my laptop isn't even working, okay? My phone is just about dead. How are we supposed to do this? But after a couple of back and forth talks, I thought, you know what, bugger it, we just gotta do it.