 And every time he does this, there's a great opportunity to make an interesting point about Rand. Now again, as I said in the beginning, it's not Malice's job. He's not here to defend David Rand. He's here to defend Anarchy and defend his book in communism. I get it. I'm not criticizing, in that sense, I'm not criticizing Malice. It's just, ugh, it's unfortunate. It's just unfortunate he's not talking. Jordan Peterson is not talking to an objectivist and asking these exact questions to an objectivist. Andrew says, you're on these only suppos to serious objectivists. Yes, I agree. But it's too bad he's not talking to a serious objectivist. That would be cool.