 We've decided to introduce more conflict into DTS, right Patrick. I Absolutely not Tom that is a preposterous claim see Now you're more interested We're also going to start titling the episodes with clickbait Five things Patrick believes about YouTube's fight with the music industry. You won't believe Thank goodness Zoe brought bacon for everyone in the chat room that is Also Interesting because it justifies her name it does It was justified Court killers Joe. I don't know court killers, but I know the show justified Well, we're watching justified on spoiler in time with court killers. Ah It's a good show. I mean the first couple of seasons were excellent thing to season three after that A little bit less. Yeah, it went downhill for you. I've heard other people say that the first season was hard for them But then it got better Really? Yeah It's got that I've heard that term and I think it's very appropriate for today's world Macho tender or tender macho or something like that. Mm-hmm. I think it's oh, it was it was at e3 it was because of all of the You know like that maybe you haven't seen the trailers and all of this but there's a bunch of Video game characters that are like super macho, but at the same kind time kind of You know kind or dads or ah It's like Rock He's my oh, he's macho, but he's caring. No, I think it's not that macho. It's more of a hipster is macho like The beard and the rough. It's maybe it's a little bit more rough and and grizzled and Macho macho. It's not like WWF macho E sorry, WWE right Wildlife Foundation match Wrestling people Although maybe wildlife do wildlife people get pretty macho. I'm gonna say they're out there in the wilderness Wrestling with bears. That's that is true. I assume that's what the WWF That's what I've been told to myself I was guessing Yeah, it doesn't you know, I think it it would make that would make for a much more interesting WWF Like you know what we did it all wrong when we got control of this anagram We should have leaned into the previous usage of it. No, they could you know, they could have yeah They could have made it like a mix of both with Animal wrestling yeah, all right enough of that before we get pita on our case. Let's start the show This is the Daily Tech news show Tom's birthday is at the end of this month So why don't you get him what I got him? $12 to donate a dollar a month to DTNS go to patreon.com slash DTNS happy birthday Tom This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday June 21st 2016. I'm Tom. I joined me today Patrick Beja firmly ensconced in Europe again and feeling no longer the effects of jet lag How are you Patrick? I am excellent I thought you were gonna say in Finland, but I'm actually going to France tomorrow So it would have been somewhat inaccurate. That's why I bailed and said Europe Because I'm like, you know what? I bet he's moving around again, but I know he's not going far. So Yes, I am in Europe and very happy to be here. We're gonna talk about all the artists Taylor Swift Paul McCartney Binding together to trample your fair use rights It depends on how you look at it either for artists musician rights to make more money Or to change the copyright laws in the United States, but let's start off with the headlines Twitter is adding a video section to its app when you tap a video Twitter will launch watch mode Where you can see other suggested videos It's a way to just keep you watching videos the maximum length of videos on Twitter will increase to from 30 seconds to 140 seconds Twitter also letting Vine users at a hundred forty second video alongside the normal six second video Vine users can also run ads on their videos get 70% of the revenue so a normal split and video creators can use a new app called engage By Jean-Luc Picard to track their analytics and filter Twitter mentions Twitter will roll out longer videos to users starting on Tuesday and longer vine videos will start with a small group of Influencers, so not all you vine people are gonna get it yet Those fabled Influencers that term has been bandied around for years and it has almost lost its meaning But not really marketing people know what it means. We call them special people here Longer vine videos will start with a small group of special people I think that works too You know that my favorite thing about that piece of news is the fact that it's a hundred and forty seconds video It's just there is some that I think and you know a little bit over two minutes I think that is a pretty good amount of time for for video to have some actual content There must be some something mystical about the hundred and forty Number, you know, yeah, whoever whoever set the the byte limit first for SMS back of the day at a hundred forty characters Is is it was probably a Mason? That's what I'm that's what I'm gonna guess Yeah, what wasn't it a hundred and sixty something But they but Twitter left some room for some additional for headers and stuff maybe Yeah, yeah, I think you're maybe right about that So it is a Twitter made up number now that think about it. Anyway Twitter really betting on video So yesterday we had the magic pony announcement that if you don't if you didn't hear about it sounds really funny But it's basically a Twitter bought a company that specializes in machine learning related to video and image recognition And today they're saying hey, we've got an easier way for you to do video We're gonna host longer video on Twitter and you can still link out to longer videos But it's all gonna be brought together in this basic thing. Can Twitter this feels like Putting square pigging around hole a little bit though Patrick can Twitter be a place for people to share video I mean, that's Snapchat. That's Instagram. That's Tumblr even but not it doesn't seem to be Twitter You know actually I'm surprised about that piece of news because I've been seeing longer pieces of video on Twitter already And maybe they were you know outside links and it was kind of seamless So I didn't realize but I think the tomb about two minutes is is works on Twitter. You can interrupt It's almost like Facebook. You're gonna interrupt your Facebook browsing for a minute or two But you're not gonna watch something that lasts 20, right? And I think for Twitter a minute if it's humorous or you know has some value You can you can do serious news reporting in a couple of minutes most I Would think that most reports that are embedded in news Webpages are about it could be about two minutes. So yeah, no, I think it works and I think it works on Twitter as well Isn't limited to 140 seconds Huh, maybe they're gonna make it a hundred and forty minutes or maybe that would be taking it too far with the And you can put a periscope you put a periscope video in Twitter, obviously and it can go off So yeah, but Twitter bet in their future on video, which I Think they're they're making video part of their Ecosystem, which is very important because video has become incredibly important. I don't think Everything, you know, I think saying they're betting their future on video regardless of the magic pony on which by the way I'm I'm with Veronica on this. I don't think it was a thing. It wasn't really a Assist Patrick Twitter is betting their future by a magic pony into the land of video All right, well anyway, so yeah video is definitely important. We can agree on that Instagram announced it has it now has 500 million Instagramers that's not, you know another term that we might be happy you're living without But 300 of those are daily active users. That's a pretty impressive number Oh, yeah 300 million obviously This represents a growth of a hundred million registered users over the past nine months And the company also noted that 80% of their user base is outside the US So I mean a hundred million registered users over the past nine months. Obviously not all of those are Daily active users, but it is very impressive. I mean we don't hear about Instagram All that much and there isn't a huge amount of integration with Facebook and yet it's still growing Maybe it's the outside the US thing. It's uh, it's I don't even know it's puzzling to me that is growing that fast because it's it's became a young It became popular with a younger democratic graphic. Patrick. That's why it doesn't seem obvious to us Because we are old men Well, but my wife Works with these young youtube creators all the time and she's like, yeah, they're all over the instagram Like instagram is hot and this was like a year ago. She started to say that so within the past two years instagram has doubled their users Uh, and it's because it became a place where everybody started to share their beauty shots But so I thought is instagram was a couple of years ago and now it was all about the snapchat But maybe snapchat is for younger instagram. Okay instagram launches in 2010 It's all about filters and and the app ecosystem Then it starts to like not fade, but it just sort of becomes a commodity people like, okay There's instagram along with facebook and twitter and then it started to make like another rise alongside Snapchat because snapchat was temporary instagram was like this is a picture I want to be permanent and and share with everyone forever So it's different uses that's my theory anyway Because I totally understand the youth All right want to tell us about tumblr since yeah, I don't understand tumblr at all tuesday tumblr announced users of users of Canvas up close can link their accounts to tumblr to publish live videos So here's what's going on here tumblr was like we're going to write a magic pony of our own into the video future But we're not going to build it. We're just going to rent other people's ponies When a live stream starts on one of those four services you now youtube canvass or up close You'll be able to tap a share to tumblr button Which will send a push notification to your tumblr followers and while the live video is there It'll show up at the top of the tumblr dashboard and after it's done It'll just show up as a regular post in your stream And tumblr is even partnering with huffing to post mashable mtv A bunch of people to promote the service use the service and of course tumblr will be promoting their streams as well Yeah What what is tumblr for again? Is it I It's still going apparently. I mean it hasn't disappeared completely. Um, I'm not sure What this brings to tumblr. Does it become kind of your Dashboard because other things can be posted on it and you're aware that it's your way of doing facebook live But in tumblr right tumblr wants to keep people from going to facebook to use facebook live or even periscope At twitter, so they've decided well, we're not going to build something What we'll do is we'll take people who are already using these other services that want more exposure because they're getting edged out by periscope and Facebook live and so we'll all partner up and say okay. Well now you can do your live video broadcast this way And a lot of people have big tumblr following so I you know and there's anime. It's mostly animated gifts. I guess but there is some video on there as well Yeah, maybe I'm I'm being a little bit dismissive of tumblr and and I shouldn't be but it seems like every Use you can make of tumblr has a better equivalent somewhere else And I'm not sure that this Changes that but maybe just a tumblr hater. It sounds like it I I might be yeah I could I could see that being the case. You're like just stop tumbling stay upright I'm fine with the tumbling. It's just that I don't understand. Why do you ask so much Patrick? Well, you know what? I don't hate slack Slack now has a feature called message buttons that lets users interact with third-party software without leaving slack The buttons show up at the bottom of the attachment For instance an abacus expense report can have an approve or deny button Which can be selected from slack services can develop five buttons for attachment Among the 12 launch partners are travel site kayak Project management service trello and more. Yeah, if you actually want to entertain yourself with the amazing Naming conventions of modern-day apps go read all of the people who are partnering with slack on this Because they feel like a list out of silicon valley the tv show But this is really cool because now There's another reason not to leave slack slack says as long as your app isn't trying to mimic functions of slack We're fine with it. Where have we heard that before though? I wonder when slack is its twitter moment, right? However for the time being like trello is the one that's really impressive because with the trello app You go in and you can like assign a project through slack and then it's it's sort of like, you know set a deadline Uh Invite another person to this project like there's there's tons of things you can do with it. So it's kind of crazy Uh to think about and and it's a small thing. I know a bunch of you are making fun of us right now Like really it's that hard to click a link and go into your trello app and do all that but It saves you that much more Cognitive load I guess That no there is definitely value in this because people who use slack will know that It's it's a very convenient. It's sort of the connecting tissue for a lot of things and sure you can Go launch another app and and click there, but if you don't have to there's no reason not to and it's pretty clever from slacks side it feels like It feels like uh chat apps that are very popular right now and that's like integrating a portion of a chat app into What's already a chat app? I mean, you know for for it makes sense. It may be for people I don't think people wouldn't understand it, but maybe for people who don't use slack It wouldn't make sense. I think there's a lot of people who just don't get slack at all And this is not going to help you understand slack anymore But like yeah somebody puts a trello card in there and you're like, okay Attach a conversation I'm gonna change the duty. Yeah, and you just do it more quickly. It's it's IRC on steroids Should I read should I read them? You can integrate beyond kayak and trello current kip kyber pager duty qualtrics rift c talk desk and talk us Just gonna let's move on it's like word salad 10 cent the owners of we chat and qq agreed to buy a majority stake in video game developer supercell from softbank for $8.6 billion Wall Street Journal reports that the deal would value supercell But by the way if you're like who's supercell they make clash of clans The deal would value supercell at $10.2 billion supercell joins league of legends because uh riot games also is in 10 cents portfolio Softbank made the move in an attempt to reduce its $80 billion in net debt Roughly a third of which is tied up with sprint here in the united states Company also stated it would sell at least 7.9 billion dollars in alibaba shares for similar reasons Softbank also announced that president and coo nikesh aurora is stepping down after nearly two years with the company He was the four ordained successor To satoshi yoshi san or maseyoshi san Who will stay on now for the next five to ten years It's uh, yeah, I mean clash of clans or more generally supercell is one of the three big Mobile app development companies. We know that activision snapped up king a few months ago They were already part of of softbank obviously, but for me Supercell is the one that actually makes games and not just pastimes and They have actual gameplay engaging gameplay and so they're the only ones in that Field that didn't that didn't just happen to be there at the right time with the right app. They they worked to get That sounds bad. You know what? I mean right the other companies like king and rovio have not been able to Reproduce the success they've known with their games like angry birds and and candy crush so supercell I think is more valuable because it's the know-how and the actual game development that you buy so it's It must have been a hard choice for soft bank to make I don't know how much they paid for for supercell initially. I'm guessing they made a pretty penny on that operation, but Yeah, soft bank not Going incredibly well. I think a lot of it has to do with that bet on sprint and The jury is way out on whether that was a good call or not They're doing interesting things with sprint, but that is a long-term bet That's going to take a while to pay off probably not until 5g Becomes launched will sprint be able to tell whether they really have a future or not I worked for zd net and I worked for zd tv back when it was owned by Softbank and softbank divested us. They split it up. They sold zd net to sea net They sold tech tv to paul allen. They sold The key events media to some investors that then the conducts went belly up like He he carved mazio shisan carved that asset up and got out of it at what is probably the right time Not because everything was going to go belly up aside from conducts But because these were not growth enterprises anymore And I wonder if that's the calculation here where he's like, yeah supercell Would be great for somebody who's making games and they can use that technology, but it's not a growth enterprise anymore That's one possibility and the other possibility is wow We just have to sell some stuff because we owe so much for sprint And we can't sell sprint because that would just be a loss at this point Yeah, maybe it's a little bit of both and uh, it's probably easier or more appropriate for 10 cent that is becoming a pretty significant player in the gaming market Player in the yeah. Oh, I see what you did because it's games and they're playing No, I think your point I think your point about using supercell as a dev is a good one Yeah, yeah, so basically it's possible that supercell can go farther in the gaming market with the growth of esports and things like that, but maybe it takes a a Curator that is really into games and that knows that market specifically Well, yeah, what what 10 cent can do is say let's use supercell's talent to make other things better Even if we're not going to make a ton of money off supercell in the future Or maybe vice versa some of the things that 10 cent owns feed into supercell and help them to turn into a money making thing Neither of those things seem to have been opportunities for soft bank. Yeah Users of google's android and ios apps can now take advantage of a simpler two-factor Authentication to log into google accounts Users need to go to my account google.com to enable the google prompt option Once enabled you can tap a pop-up in the google app when you need to verify a login However, you can't enable google prompt and a physical key like cubie key at the same time Yeah, so that was the deal killer for me I was like, oh, well, I guess I won't be using this but it's not really targeted at me Right. This is targeted at somebody who like, I don't know what a ubi key is From an apple But I do know that I have the google app and now I can be more secure and all I have to do is tap a button Yeah, I went ahead and and did it. Um, it's kind of it's a little bit weird that this is not included in the Google authenticator. It's in the google app instead Which pushes people to use a google app more. I guess that's a benefit But and and also it's simpler for people to they're like, I know what the google app is the authenticator can be scary Maybe a little for newbies. Yeah. Yeah, and by the way Blizzard enabled a similar option in their authenticator app of maybe last week. I think so Oh Yeah, makes sense because everybody in blizzard uses that authenticator app. I mean everybody who plays blizzard games. Yeah. Yeah, so Yeah, it's I mean, it's it's uh, just you can have both this and the authenticator at the same time So it's not one or the other even though you have to choose between this and the ubi key or security key Be fair yahu has been doing similar things and getting no credit for them Even though they have a huge user base because everyone just hates yahu right now Yeah, for sure. I mean, yeah, why not it's a it's a normal base of You know software improvement US federal aviation administration unveiled part 107 Tuesday morning setting out rules for the use of uavs in other words drones by commercial operators commercial operators no longer need a pilots license Like a full-on pilots license instead They'll have to pass a knowledge test and then they'll receive a remote pilot certificate New rules do not address autonomous flight operators must maintain visual line of sight at all times You can only operate one uav at a time Although unlicensed operators may fly a uav as long as they are supervised by a licensed operator And particularly you have to be 16 years or age or older to fly a uav However, you can fly one if you're under 16 as long as you have a licensed operator Observing you new rules ban night flights require that all flights remain below 400 feet or within 400 feet of the structure So first of all part 107 awesome name Uh, second of all these seem reasonable, right? Even though I know the american have a deep-seated hatred for all types of regulation I think these most people had to bring ethnicity into it thought it Maybe I had to call american an ethnicity and why they're right No, uh, get what you mean like there are a lot of people still complaining like why can't I just do this as long as I Stay away from airports and the very answer is well. Yes, it starts with you need to stay away with airports So what else do we need to define and how do we train people on that and where the airports are etc? Most people are looking this as a decent compromise It's still very restrictive though And I think that's the biggest problem that folks are having with it is They want it to move forward faster Like it seems to be in other countries these kinds of rules were already established in other places before now So it's just a little bit behind the game, I guess Okay, so My question was actually a genuine one. I was wondering if this seemed Too stringent or if it seemed reasonable, but apparently it's still a little bit. It's it's not, you know Riot in the streets, but it's still If I if I'm reading the reactions to this today, it's like, uh, okay, could have been worse All right Hyperloop one the one doing tests in las vegas and russian construction conglomerates Suma group and the city of muskau are now exploring integration possibilities with russia's existing transportation system Hyperloop one sees this as the first step in a high seed freight High speed freight. I'm sorry connection between europe and china That would be interesting Yeah, uh, so you have hyperloop transport technologies. That's the one in california Talking to slavakia. You have hyperloop one talking to russia Kind of feel like that tells you everything you need to know about those two Um, but so they're saying that they might integrate with russia's existing transportation system I'm not sure exactly what that means. Are they going to use the actual physical restructuring for structure? Like the hyperloop will just go right into the subway. No, probably not I assume it means like making sure that the beginning and end points are near freight loading places or transportation hubs, etc Okay, I thought they were going to like use the the the subway like tunnels to integrate We're just going to widen the subway a little bit What's the hyperloop through it? Uh, summa group apparently owns one of the biggest ports In russia, so that might be part of it too is summa group going Let's make sure we start in our port and then everybody can load all their freight onto it And wouldn't that be great for our bottom line? Yeah, let's let's okay. Yes Also, let's make one that actually works Well, sure eventually they're gonna have to make one that works Right, but it's so much more fun to have meetings with foreign governments about investment Because well, and honestly part of that is getting the money from the foreign governments Maybe that can help you build the one that works. Yeah, probably Big thanks to everybody who supports us in our subreddit Submit some stories folks obituella condolci hometown rival jeff rose teaglass 1976 flying spatula strike at rich one They all are up there at the subreddit dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and that's look at the top stories Our main story today 180 musical artists have signed an ad running in washington dc magazines politico the hill and roll call So in other words targeting congress asking for reform to safe harbor provisions in the dmca the ad will run today through thursday It criticizes safe harbor as giving streaming video services a negotiating advantage with the record labels And that quote ease of use for consumers and quote allows tech companies to grow while artist revenues shrink In related news torrent freak released a study that dmca takedown notices to google search engines so different Part of the operation have quadrupled over the past two years from 5.1 million to more than 22 million Looking at notices sent to google in the first week of june for 2014 and 2016 This has been a campaign that the music industry has been undertaking this year Their campaign is to because most of their deals are coming up with youtube In fact universal music group does not have a contract with youtube anymore They're operating under the terms of the previous one, but they they could stop at any time They're playing hardball to get a better deal out of youtube If you want to understand what the digital millennium copyright act does the dmca We don't have time to explain it all but the important part for this is what's called safe harbor So if i'm an isp, I run a forum or I host a video platform like youtube I have safe harbor if someone uploads a copyright infringing piece of material to my platform I'm not responsible for knowing that i'm not responsible for having to know What is infringing and what isn't the way dmca safe harbor works is the takedown notice procedure So if I see that my Intellectual property is being infringed on this platform. I send a note To the platform and say hey that infringes you have to take it down and then that company takes it down Informs the person who uploaded it and gives them a chance to send a counter notice that says oh no, they're wrong That's not their property or I have a fair use right and then the platform would have to put it back up And those two would have to go to court over it. That's the way dmca works The way youtube works is they have their own content id system that happens before the dmca even gets invoked So if I am a big music label I get access to a special tool that uses a robot to go around and find music And if it finds music that fits my profile of things I own I get to choose whether to actually have it taken down Or monetize it and in fact youtube says that 99.5 of the music claims on youtube involve content id Not the dmca and they are almost always monetized So when you have these artists out there saying hey, we're not making as much money as we used to uh Because of this dmca safe harbor what they're trying to argue is that because youtube doesn't have to enforce copyright So if I upload a bunch of of music that I don't own youtube has to wait for the companies to tell them That means that they're in a better negotiating position that they can charge lower rates because they know that Hey, if universal music group decides to just pull out and not renew their contract We'll still have a bunch of their music coming up because all the pirates How Insane is the music industry How so there are a couple of things that really annoy me in this if my initial reaction didn't inform you of this already Um, I'm guessing it's all about the politics of it and trying to get a leg up in the negotiations And that's the the the basic strategy. I'm guessing However, first of all the uh way the content id works is Has it's it's positives and negatives, but as we are going to discuss in in a minute It has some very Very disturbing Side effects if people try to game it And the other thing is the the dmca and the safe harbor provision in general Are incredibly important to the way the internet works if you don't have safe harbor There are huge portions of the internet that just cannot do business They they have to stop immediately because they are responsible for every single thing that happens on their Anything thick of their platform any single entity that allows users to upload things If the music industry gets their way would have to stop Now now maybe they wouldn't have to stop entirely, but they would become liable For every single piece of copyright infringement uploaded by users Which some people have argued would increase copyright infringement for for those People who decided to stay in business because the users wouldn't even feel liability anymore So Do we know what they're proposing? Do we know what they want because what they're not happy about is I think to anyone who understands the internet the Not just the best way to do things but In many ways the only way that this thing can work It's almost like they're going to a car and they're saying hey, you know those those wheels that you have They're really inconvenient. You should get rid of those. You're like, well, they're basically saying youtube should be responsible There was that court case that we had earlier this this week that said that hey, you know what if a if an employee Says has seen a copyright infringing material But they haven't received a notice from the copyright owner Then you don't lose your safe harbor provisions. And so they want to change stuff like that They want to make it so that hey, you know what if you're a big company that has a bunch of things You should be taking action to fight copyright. You should share some of the liability of it So basically they want youtube to become the police of their site and decide already doing YouTube is one of the few companies out there that goes well beyond what the dmca requires them and put in place Content id in order to help satisfy viacom in that lawsuit to say fine. We'll proactively help you search out stuff So that's why folks. This is a fight between billionaires youtube makes Something like nine billion dollars a year at least that's the estimate for 2015 although they didn't make a profit The record industry revenues rose 0.9 percent in 2015 to 7 billion dollars. That's the first rise since 2011 So their prospects are starting to change. They make billions of dollars youtube makes billions of dollars This is a fight over who should make more billions and who should be paying who how much YouTube already pays the music industry the music industry just says we get a better deal from radio From internet radio. We even get a better deal from spotify So we want a better deal for you So we're going to put pressure on congress to change the dmca to force your hand to negotiate it with us better What they don't care about is you or me about our ability to upload something and that's what patrick was alluding to earlier If you get squashed by content id and you're not a big partner with youtube You have almost no recourse to get a strike pulled off of of your Your account it can happen But more often than not somebody just gets a youtube video pulled off Even if it's fair use because it's so hard to deal with content id and it's so tilted in the favor of the big rights owners And it goes even farther basically if you want to uh use a piece of uh video or audio to do commentary Which is the most i think the most common Use of fair use on on youtube And the content id identifies that piece of content It signals the content owner and they can block you they can monetize your video for themselves They can do whatever they want. So that's already a problem. And I think the music industry claiming they don't have the tools or the power to handle the copyright infringements is Hard to to believe but even beyond that already the way it works now leads to Content id scammers who upload a piece of content get it identified by the content id And then go claim videos that they have no right over so obviously if it is a Very popular piece of content probably the actual owner is already going to be in the system, but I've seen multiple uh cases where Uh a troll a content id troll would go and upload a piece of music that maybe is uh You know for sale on um License free sites. I can't remember the creative comments something that's even public domain Right that sometimes on scams sometimes not Sometimes it just happens that like I use a piece of public domain music in my video but channel two Has used that same piece of public domain in their video But the entire video is submitted to content id and I get crushed for using that even though they're not actually claiming copyright on it Uh, they're just using it in their video and content id is dumb enough to think well It's there in that copyrighted video. So it must be copyrighted and then the owner has the power to Rip your uh ownership away not the ownership, but the monetization or the use of your content that you've created with that piece of Music that they didn't have the rights to Hopefully those things get resolved, but There are as I was saying there are also trolls that do this and actually go and monetize your content for themselves Even though they don't own this at all and that's what they're actually doing. So in this context um What would the music industry want do they want google to actually go in and when the content id system identifies a piece of Uh content that uses another one. Do they want it to automatically be deleted? That'd be tell you what they want patrick They want the ability to threaten google with more lawsuits They want the ability to say hey you didn't catch These uploaded videos over here and so we're going to take you to court unless you give us a higher rate to license our videos I don't think they actually I can't say this for sure But I don't think they actually care if they get youtube to reduce the number of unauthorized videos on youtube Because nobody's bothered to find out if this is a problem There are absolutely no numbers that i'm aware of that say how many unauthorized music videos exist on youtube Nobody cares what they want is leveraged. They want to be able to force youtube into agreeing to a higher royalty rate And you know what there are a couple of things that really bother me here. The first one is how they're enrolling the artists who Honestly, I don't think they understand the intricacies of all of this, but they are signing Some of them do i'm sure but I don't think you know when when you read the explanation by the music industry, they're thinking that the mca is too permissive and Honest and that's the second part. They are psychological thing right the artists see that their revenues have been going down And that's that's unassailable revenues have been going down for years And even if they're starting to turn around the artists aren't seeing that yet Maybe because the music industry has never been very generous with them They also see people putting their music on youtube without their permission and they get angry at that So that's all and if i'm an artist, that's all I need to know is like Yeah, youtube's letting these people do this and i'm not making money And so i'm going to sign this and that is exactly my point They are because I don't think we can conclusively or even reasonably assume that this is the exact correlation and that the dmca is responsible for for this and The music industry is is pointing fingers and saying look artists The reason you're making less money is because the dmca is not stringent enough And the second part of my outrage comes from the very dangerous Use basically they're they're making into a tool that dmca and that's that safe harbor provision And that's incredibly dangerous because it's not just about youtube and content id and music revenue It's about the way the internet functions. So It seems, you know, like this wouldn't go Far enough that it would threaten the status of safe harbor but The way they're arguing about it is for it to be threatened and this is a very dangerous stick to wave around because you know, it's like Silly analogy, but you're waving a torch in a You know fireworks storage area and you're like, oh look this and if it catches fire it could break a lot of things Yeah, so and they don't care. They're like all I care is that the owner Starts agreeing to a higher rent if I set off the fireworks that doesn't bother me Because i'm gonna leave the fireworks store to begin with so yeah What what can you do? Well, you could write your congressman or your senator if you live in the united states Or your representative elsewhere, I suppose although this is specifically right now a us issue Because that's where the record industry is targeting their efforts Is towards that because really nobody Nobody wants the artist to make less money But nobody has done any work to show that changing the dmca in any way Causes artists to make more money. There has been no evidence No one has taken an approach to copyright law that says what actually maximizes its value for Aiding art, which is really what copyright law is supposed to do. It's not supposed to support Anyone's particular business. It's support. It's supposed to create an environment where more art gets made That's what copyright is about. It shouldn't be propping somebody up over somebody else All right, let's get to our pick of the day Dave in two day. I'm sunny and not enough rainy. Los angeles writes that about two weeks ago the gps and his smartphone stopped working He says luckily I found a temporary solution to my problem bluetooth gps in the android app store The free bluetooth gps app uses the developer options built into the android operating system to create mock locations That developers use to test their gps enabled apps and send real gps data from bluetooth enabled gps devices I tried it out this morning and it works great Back in the day smartphones like my old moto q didn't have built-in gps So I bought a bluetooth gps device to go with it back then so I dusted that off too charged the battery and fired it up I'm no longer lost in the urban jungle Amazing send your picks to us folks. We want to hear from you. What do you like feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks Real quick our messages of the day A lot of people writing in response to veronica's rat yesterday about ways sending people down side streets Saying they don't think ways should be prevented from rooting people down any public street I mean if you live on one of those public streets You might feel differently, but some of you said no, I live on that street that everyone's going down now It's a public street. You get to drive on it. That's what it's there for Uh, and then kimberley who is actually one of those people who says, yeah, I'm one of those people with people getting sent down My streets. I don't think it's a problem Kimberley is the texas teacher in the chat room and on reddit said I actually hope that ways and other gps crowdsourcing apps can find a way to work with local planning and emergency services The local planning can use the information to better plan road building create alternative routes during construction Emergency services can use the crowdsourced information during situations like the recent tax day and memorial day floods in texas Several good people drowned because they turned down an open ramp that was filling with water around a curve The ramp was open only because emergency services had not gotten there with the barriers yet The ramps are narrow with no other exit and these people were trapped They couldn't turn around and go back and if they did they risk head on collisions Most probably never even saw the water until they hit it due to darkness So hopefully a way to send emergency alerts to gps systems to warn people and crowdsourced data to emergency services could be developed Ways was quick to mark three roads around me as closed or flooding before Emergency services actually got the barriers up and that may well have saved someone's life Maybe well, yeah for sure that when you read it that seems like it should already be happening Kind of I never thought of it, but when you describe it like this, obviously it's uh, yeah, please do that And maybe there are ways of doing this By crowd by crowdsourcing as well. I mean it works well enough To signal the presence of rate, you know of police uh speed What's it called like when they speed traps? Yes speed traps Vehicle stopped on shoulder ahead is incredibly accurate And yeah, I think that's what kimberley's saying is some of the crowdsourcing in ways did work that way So yeah, let's make that work even better Big thanks to patrick beija. What are you working on these days to tell folks about? Uh, so many things. I guess uh pixels is the show that I would recommend to you today It's a show about gaming news in general and we had a gigantic Uh e3 summary with scott johnson last week So it's a one easy way easy place to get all the news that was important at e3 all of the um, All of the conferences we watched all of it analyzed and dissected all of it and gave you the most important parts It's available at frenchspin.com and the show is called pixels. 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It's a point a little while after so There you go Do we want to call this rumbler in the tumblr or dmca is still less popular than the ymca? I like dmca Any others in there that cut your eye there roger I liked it sounds kind of silly, but better safe harbor than sorry You see it. Yeah, yeah Yeah, I kind of like it and it makes sense um Although I have to give an honorable mention to McCartney urges swift copyright laws for you and you too Uh It's a bit long but so Does taylor swift make all these decisions like Like like her or is it or like, you know, I think she is involved in them I have a feeling that it is a it is a committee that she is Has a significant presence on because she she actually takes a lot of the stuff into her own hands and speaks extemporaneously about it So she knows about it But I have a feeling that her her business manager and advisors kind of team up and decide on a this direction You're talking about taylor swift. Yeah Well, she was pretty vocal about the apple thing herself specifically so Although I'm almost certain she and her managers had a conversation before she got vocal, right? So yeah But yeah, like that's a good example of her being able to speak about it Like she knew what she was talking about. Yeah, exactly Oh, so there's one thing we didn't talk about maybe we Should have they're more than one thing. But which one are you noticing? Did you see the the french, uh, google images thing? No I think it might not have reached, uh, english news yet. Basically It it was just voted in that I hate my country sometimes um Google images will now have to pay a copyrights tax basically To copyrights owners for google images Oh, that would have been a nice thing to talk about in the context of the youtube It's my mind church even like so if you do like an image or say Eiffel tower And it pulls up pictures that you have to pay each of those people Well, I'm guessing they will pay an organization that Handles the way, you know, they like a rights organization. Yeah. Yeah, and of course if you can't find the author of that piece of content Then the organization itself keeps the money Yeah, that's the way a lot of uh, the it's the way the authors guild in the united states wanted to handle the books That that google is scanning Yeah, but I think in the case of the books, maybe some of them you wouldn't know who wrote them, but most of them you would In the case of google images How is that even gonna work and oh my god, would it work? Maybe it's a good thing. We didn't talk about it I might had that have exploded. So wait, how would would it just be on the google france? Web website or well, no as we know uh, france believes that the right to be forgotten should apply to all instances of google worldwide No matter whether french people are looking at it or not. So therefore, uh, it'll probably apply worldwide I think that is ultimately what might need to happen Well, you know what google pulled google news out of spain when they passed a law saying that they would be forced to pay rights To have excerpts Yeah, i'm curious whether google will just pull the image search in france and say sorry Yeah, I don't think I don't think that would It would be possible like how would it even work? Do you have to identify each image and know who it belongs who they're tapped? You can filter the search by uh by copyright or creative commons or public domain So my guess is what what they'll propose is some this some like you say some third party agency will go through and say We see these many images showing up. So you owe that we've figured this amount of money And and then it'll be up to that third party to divvy up the money Which like you say won't go to a lot of people because they won't be able to find all of them Yeah, that's like technically i'm guessing they can Do like a certain amount per year or you know like a license or maybe it's going to be a percentage But then how does it even? Well, again, it it's easy for google to do if they want to they'll just be like they'll be billed and they'll pay the bill right It's actually great for any images any of the big image companies will say like yes There are these many we are owed this much money. They'll collect a large amount of that So that it's again, it's big companies and big governments Coming to an agreement that they don't care about the rest of us They're not going to bother to try to give the rest of us any money And they're not trying to protect the rest of our rights. They're trying to protect the rights of getty images Big image It's all about big image big image and big stock photos Shane is asking uh is saying their links to the real pages there on yes, of course, that's what they are I guess that's a way to identify the owner But then if the page is if I use one on my page Well, and do you get more money if it gets searched a lot? Like or is just being listed in the index nobody knows. Yeah, this is what if you're not a this is asinine Like if there's pictures I've taken that show up on image search. Yeah, I get a cut Yes, you should From France. Well, okay. All right now This is getting interesting Does that mean that anyone's images? That shows up there Because I'm sure I can find a way to make my images show up Do I get money from that? rights collecting agency thing In that case I might be all for that system They're fencing in the wild west Just like the real west All right, actually Following that rage inducing piece of news Um, I have to go because I have to prepare stuff. I'm leaving tomorrow morning. So, uh, okay So you're just going back to france to visit Yeah for a little bit cool, so No problem for tomorrow for next week's show Excellent. Well, then we'll talk to you next week Thank you guys. Bye chat room. I'm looking at the chat room as I'm saying. Bye. Bye chat room. Bye. Roger. Bye, tom Hi, ellie Sleeping ellie I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind a couple of pennies. Actually, no, what am I going to do with penny? What's the thing you're going to get pennies? Everyone's going to get pennies. No one could be happy Like what's the point? uh, alpha geek radio Went off for some reason and I don't know why it's trying to reconnect, but it can't So if you're watching this on video pass it along to your audio friends But uh, the entire audio will be available. I think still because I haven't stopped it in the treasure chest Ah, I'm almost done. I'm editing the id3 tags now What if they paid out in baguettes? baguettes It'll be interesting. I mean, it's definitely a formalization of a lot of the stuff on the internet Yeah, but it's impossible. It's it's it's trying it's trying to treat the internet like paper It's it's a horrible idea That's not what google is doing google is showing you and you here's the thing that always gets me about all this stuff And google news was the same way you as a website owner can stop them from indexing your image and showing it on google They don't want that because they want people to discover the images. They also want to get money. They want both things Like if if you get a if you get a google image hit on like an iStop photo You get a watermark image. It's like totally unless you're using it for a kid's birthday card and they don't know what a watermark is right You know, you got to pay money for uh for the way you do with le is that why you said that She's young her eyes are she doesn't know I can't say a watermark. That's just a special That just means we love you more DMCA DMCA needs to be revised the other way needs to be reduced We have way too much copyright protection We also have way too much copyright infringement, but this Obviously having laws doesn't make it less. So why so strengthening the laws is not going to do anything Well, that's the thing about laws is that laws really only work when if the society is willing to Go along with them You know that that can sound like a cop out But the fact of the matter is what you should probably have is a law that reflects society's values Which is society believes in fair use They believe that if something is is relatively easy to get that they should be allowed certain uses of it So either you have to come up with a passive way to collect the income Which is like, you know the internet tax that it gets divvied up Which is kind of what france is talking about with google image to be honest That that is a more reasonable way to approach it or you just change fair use laws to say like well, you know what? Things on the internet are infinitely copyable, which makes them less valuable as copies So you need to find other ways to monetize them. The thing that you can monetize on the internet is access not copy And that's the thing is like, you know, you can put Put photos up and you can just offer only like a limited resolution version right if you want something that you can blow up like into a You know a 12 by you know 11 frame or something and you have to pay money But if you're happy with a 400 by 200 image, you know all pixelated up hanging in your hallway It's I just seems kind of weird. It seems like there's a lot of There's a lot of bureaucracy Well, because you're again you're trying to treat digital things like paper And I and and the problem is everyone's using this as a way to benefit their own particular industry Rather than doing what's actually beneficial for the entire economy Everyone who makes money on on paper and plastic Wants to keep making that same amount of money on digital and so they want laws that will try to formalize that Rather than saying well, you know what the same amount of money is going to be made Under digital it's just going to be made differently and it's going to be made possibly by different people And we just have to live with that And and people are like well, I don't want to live that musicians can make money under digital It just has to be done differently. You can't force it to be done the old way It's it's it might be a generational Mindset change. I used to think that for sure, but I've noticed that a lot of Younger creators are also more protective of their intellectual property Than my generation because they grew up in a world where they were constantly being hammered that you must protect You must respect intellectual property and so they're like well, then I'm going to respect mine too Well, I think part of it is also like people will see it as an opportunity How I remote that it's going to be some sort of financial reward down the line And therefore you take you take proactive steps Well, yeah, I mean that's what they've been taught and that's what I'm saying is everybody wants to make money off the old way That that's motivating everything. Yes, absolutely But this whole musicians thing, uh, that Irving Azoff kicked off. This is all about Getting google to bend over the barrel Putting pressure on them to negotiate for a better rate to a certain extent. I don't blame them I think that yes, you should do everything you can to pressure youtube what I don't want is a law That changes things for other people just so you could get a better royalty rate You mean rent sinking? You don't want rent? Well, no, it's not exact. No, it's not rent seeking. That's not what they're doing They're doing they're doing lobbying pressure to change one thing that can help them That will have wide impacts on other industries and they don't care about that I don't want I don't want the collateral damage is not worth it Isn't that the very definition of rent seeking like adjusting laws to benefit you at the Without necessarily that's not how I understand rent seeking, but maybe I don't understand it, right? Well, I type in search and Wikipedia, but I have a baby on me All right, I think I've published the show and I think I did it right so thanks everybody for watching and we'll talk to you soon