 Llywodraeth a Llywodraeth wedi ei sain, i'r cyflogau cyflig, Isaac Archie i'r Llywodraeth yn Gwyrdraeth Pycoro Lói Gwyrdraeth yn Niger. Dwi'n meddwl am y byddai gafodd, ond mae'n meddwl negiwn amser ac yn y bydd yn bod yn y cyflogau gwyrdraeth, mae'n meddwl i'r cyflogau. Rwy'n credu bod y Lywodraeth Cymru yn y Cynedig Y Niger, rwy'n meddwl i'r cyflogau ag ddynnu y Prif, yn y llyfr yn y Cynedig, yn y Slyfr Y Llywodraeth Cymru, y Llywodraeth Bwlu, of killings across the country. He called for investigation into the attack on the priests, arding that corporates must be brought to book. Reverend Father Isaac Archie was the parish priest as of the time of the Christmas Day bombing at Saint Therese's Catholic Church in Madala, Niger State on December 25, 2011. Well, joining us to discuss this very unfortunate situation is Reverend Joseph Hyab. He is the Chairman Christian Association of Nigerian Kaduna State. Thank you so much, Reverend Hyab. I wish we were talking on a different circumstance, but unfortunately, we have to talk about this. It is sad that we are not yet through with this tragic experience. As you know that yesterday it was a double tragedy one in Niger State and another one in Kaduna State. Because in Kaduna State a large number of workers were taken away to the worship in one of our church and then the Reverend Father of Joseph Hyab. So for everybody it is really a sad story. It is a terrible situation we are in. We thought we were almost going out and we seem to be back and even worse. I want to start by noting that the north and the northeast and of course the north central, now it is almost every part of the country has been getting one form of insecurity or security issue or the other. I mean, even in most states having its fair share we are seeing more and more of these killings. But then it is interesting to know that Mr President has flown to I think Mauritania if I am not mistaken to receive a peace award. But yet one would question if we do really have some peace in Nigeria, especially with all of the killings and of course the recent kidnappings in Edo State. Sometimes it is really sad and painful to see that people do not know what people in Nigeria are going through. Probably they are looking for money or probably they want to just have an entry point in Nigeria for organizations whose aim is not to promote understanding by just to issue and dash award. So sometimes these award ceremonies and this award presentation makes it more clear of what is going on in the country. Apart from that I know that even in the last 10 days the President himself or through his spoke persons have come out to tell the world that they are actually anchored in security and we just ask ourselves a question. Are they living in another planet? Are they really living in Nigeria? Do you know exactly what Nigerians are going through? An experience like this keep reminding us that look we have actually just been governing with propaganda, governing with forceful, governing with issue and statement that it is not the reality that people are going through. How could a labour police face such kind of debt in his house and the other police narrowly escaped when he is still in the hospital? How could worshippers leave their home and go to worship and they do not come back there in the hands of bandits? How could people just go to train station or train to pick a train and then they ended up in the hands of bandits and the President of this country will still say that he is tackling security and not only that and organisations are coming to offer a peace award we do not know what you call peace in this context. Can we really leave this at the feet of Mr President because at some point we cried that there should be a change of service chiefs and Mr President after a long time caved in and gave us new service chiefs. The presidency has issued statements upon statements saying we are dealing with this issue, the army is doing this and that. We've heard the Presidency talk tough about this situation. So I want to understand for those of you who are in the midst of what's happening because for some people it seems more like a mirage because they do not understand what you're facing where you are. What do you think the major challenge is in dealing with this insecurity? Is it that it's being politicised? Is it that because half the time the President always expresses shock at these things? Is it also the fact that maybe our troops have not been given what they need to do the job, but what exactly is the constraint? It is not enough for our government or the Presidency to think that issuing pre-statement or just coming to make a statement on national media will tackle insecurity, will stop criminals from doing their work. The fact of going is that we must take the war to them, we must show them that we have a government, we must show them that this government has won on how to protect lives and properties of citizens but when we just deal with issues of statements, statements that sometimes trigger another pain, then we've not done enough. I think generally what has been happening in the idea is that those who are working with the President think that the moment they issue a statement then the matter is over. The moment the statements are issued then they have treated the wound. Statements are not medications. Statements cannot treat any wound. I've had several times other diversity or family issues statements and even saying things that go to the exact picture of what happened. We don't know who are the source of their information and why they chose to make such kind of statement. So the criminals don't believe that these are two-clean bulldogs, we will mark and they are not going to bite. The fact about it is that if government have taken the war to these criminals, have taken the war to their camp, have taken the war to the propaganda because the great press statement, the way at which we hear stories is far, far, far outweith the reality of their dealing with them. There are no efforts from the military or no efforts from the security agencies but we are simply saying that efforts are not enough or these efforts are not back with the reality of the situation and not back with proper security details and strategies that will eliminate criminals. You've already posted all over the media that you are going after criminals. They feed in, then you go and turn around with your car and tell the world that the criminals and the camps are empty. The camps is only empty where are the criminals? Sometimes you say that you just watch them, you kill them, you kill 100 of them and then you cannot even show us even five cops of these criminals. You know this whole thing as if they are taken to children or taken to people who do not understand. What we are simply saying is that we have a country and in this country there is a constitution. We have a country and in this country there is a government and the responsibility of securing the citizens of this country is sure that on government. That's why we call on the president. That's why we speak to him because he will defend the public of Nigeria. If he issues order, order must be obeyed. Whoever does not obey his order should be fired. If he issues order and things are not working even if the chiefs have just lasted two weeks if there is no result and we are sure that they are not playing, they are not doing right it's just fine. If anybody knows that you will not last one month if there is no tangible and concrete and evidential result you will go, then people will sit up. But where are we talking? Probably when they are tired of listening to us so we just won't announce the removal of one or two of them. But nothing has changed no concrete action to show that there is an effort to eliminate these criminals who are tormenting Nigerians in Zampara state, in Kaduna state, in Niger state. As you rightly said in the north east it is not yet well in the north west now and in north central and in even south east and every part of Nigeria. We are approaching elections. How do you expect people to really come out and cast their vote if we really want a democratic process where we will use leaders that we will know that we actually chose them? How can people come out of the vote where they are not secure? I'm curious, it's very easy and I'm not in any way trying to say absolve the president to you or Mr President of his duties. But then states have governors and these governors are the people in their state to responsibility so we are just talking at the beginning. There is also Kaduna, there is Kogi state there are different states that have been having terrorist activities happening over and over and one would ask what is the job of a state governor because he also is a chief executive in that area, what are the states doing to secure their people against these terrorist acts even though we have that excuse, the very quick and easy excuse that the governors don't control the military apparatus is because they all are at the center. Yes, you see I have always explained this that the agreement by state governors that they have no way to play is really uncomfortable but one of the reasons why we sometimes just don't want to go back again and be talking about state governors is they will simply hide on a section of the constitution that says they don't have the power to the police but I do know the kind of influence they pay in who comes as a commissioner of police the kind of influence and pressure they put on the DTE SSL or who comes to their state as DTE SSL by doing this to those people they are failing to do what those people are supposed to do you see, security is everybody's business the first thing is that the governors at the state level, at the local government at the grassroot level are the ones that are supposed to have the building structure against the president unfortunately, seven years ago what we say is that structures are supposed to help unite structures are supposed to help deal with criminality structures are supposed to help addressing issues like this have actually been bastardised or deliberately distorted in such a way that they cannot have a role to play so these are the ones that have a role to play they call us as they don't think they have a role to play but actually everybody when you see people can only cooperate people can only say what they know if the system accommodate such kind of view if the system tolerate them to say what they are supposed to say if the systems protect them when they say what they know but once the system even go after them because they say what they know then everybody will be careful if it has been done to James, Ben Stilling and Peter will no longer say it won't if it has been done to Avogar then probably Abdullae and Sherwood will keep quiet I think that is where it is let me bring Kaduna, I always want to side the table when a governor came he bastardised the traditional roller system a system that would help him check and know who is the new visitor where is he coming from what is he doing today it is a system where I just want to say yes I get time to please government but in reality they are not even doing their work so when things like this are no longer functioning you didn't know that today in Nigeria the system of government that is supposed to help Nigeria unite the people is a local government but we don't really have local government we just have some institutions named in our constitution but what they just simply do is go and see the governor to know what he wants the elevation to be done and it ends there it is no longer people because the constitution of Nigeria empowers a local government but how many local government have power they just want to dance alone so the work he is supposed to do at the local government to win the heart of people to help in the direction where there is evil in speaking out and helping to ensure that evil do not grow in their community is not done so as evil keeps growing in the local community over when the local government and eventually over when the state and now over when the nation that's why we call on Mr President because he is the commander in chief that if these people things are not going right they step up and show that you are the commander in chief we again I just want to put it out there we the people the people who have been on the receiving end of this terrorism and security those who have been displaced as a result of it also it's not enough to just wait for these people that we put in office these leaders who have not like you have said been able to do their jobs what are we doing also to hold these people responsible because I'm looking at these pictures and these videos and they are very heart wrenching and God forbid another might happen there might not be an end inside and like you said we are getting ready for an election what story are we telling these people for them to want to come out and vote in the first instance if they are not even safe in their homes not safe in their places of worship and what is the likes of Christian Association or the PFN or the joint forum of religious people doing to not just save God their places of worship but also hold their leaders responsible because it's not enough for us to complain but what actions are we taking to make sure that our leaders are responsible to us it is unfortunate that our leaders have deliberately divided us they have divided us using religious line they have divided us within our ethnic identity they have divided us using our regional identity and everything that we can think of that why instead of us uniting to fight crime instead of us uniting to challenge them and hold them accountable what you hear and what you see between Nigeria is people fighting each other according to tribe fighting each other according to religion fighting each other according to the religion that people come from so there is a deliberate way that our leaders have divided us they have planted seeds of lack of trust among us so even when you want to come to fight them and hold them accountable what you get is an attack from another party thinking oh you are attacking the governor oh you are attacking the governor because he is my religion oh you are attacking the governor because he does not come from your senatorial zone oh you are attacking the president because he is not of your identity so this is the challenge we face in Nigeria and socially speaking we must as Nigerians understand the pains that is going on but take the love courage and come out to vote so that at least we can have leaders that will know we voted for them it's not going to be easy but I have shared this in several forums where I have met with people I say look we will secure our polling unit on election day if I have you understand the pastor organize yourself in your village if you have two polling units 100 people are doing a great decision 100 people are watching around and when the 100s who have finished a great decision finishing they will come back to do a great decision they will go to watch the other group will come to do a great decision that is the way we will exchange until election is over because when we get in due to what we are seeing now then our sorrow and pains is not yet over we will have another four years of bitterness four years of wailing and whipping the way you've shown us on picture with those women so we must do something we are talking are people going to do it I'm not going to say yes or no but one thing I know is that my brother teaches me is that when you tell a man a sinner that if he do this he's going to survive and he do it he will be saved but if you refuse to do it you have solved your problem you have saved yourself by telling him as the pastor my role is to tell people exactly what you've had this said I was in many rural communities during the Christmas I went around educating people and said anybody is telling you that all is well is not well we must come out we must team up we must develop local strategy that will secure us and cast our vote and ensure our vote stand because when we continue in this sphere then we have just had change now we may have lost in the right thing is not done well we have to go Reverend Hyab I want to say thank you Reverend Hyab is the chairman Christian Association of Nigeria Cadunas State let's hope that this would be the last of it and something would actually have to you know break and give our government a reason to put an end to this terrorist activities thank you so much always a pleasure to have you here alright well that's it on plus politics tonight we want to thank you all for being part of the show tonight don't forget if you have missed any bit of the show go to our YouTube plus TV Africa or plus TV Africa lifestyle subscribe and you would not miss anything and don't forget go get your PVC at your ward or your registration centre because that is like I always say 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