 Through the mystic eye, eminent personalities, from various walks of life, in conversation with Sadguru. This week features world-renowned Pandit Jasraj in a rare exchange with Sadguru. Exploring the depths of Indian classical music, Pandit Jasraj's rich, soulful voice has touched the hearts of thousands of music lovers around the world. Known for his unique ability to effortlessly glide over three and a half octaves, Panditji's rich compositions and unique jasrangi jughal bandhi are one of his many contributions to Hindustani music. Awarded the Padma Vibhushan in 2000 and the Sangit Natak Academy Ratna in 2010, Panditji has founded the Pandit Jasraj Institute of Music to offer this art form to many more. Watch as the maestro and mystic together unveil the profound intricacies of Indian classical music and their innate connection to the human system. When you are young, naturally your body is dominant, you know? So, though my parents are steeped in classical music, we completely hate it, we can't stand it. We are into western music. Okay, we just… not one time have I ever heard if they switch it on, I will go. But the moment I started meditating, suddenly the classical music just became suddenly music for me. What I could not stand. The moment I became quiet, quiet, quiet, quiet, quiet, quiet, quiet, classical music just became suddenly music for me. What I could not stand, the moment I became quiet, immediately I want to listen to this. It just changed my whole perspective of the sound because I became silent within myself. Suddenly the Indian classical music became so important for me. And wherever it is, I'm just almost like a beggar, I'm going there to listen. Madurai money I hear is my father's favorite voice. Turn on Madurai money I hear, me and my brother will run away somewhere. But once I started meditating, there was no way. This is the only thing I could listen to. All the other music just fell apart in my mind. So the connection between the right utterances of sound and meditation is so… so right there. My father himself proved that I was first addicted to western music. And when I started meditating and doing yoga, I don't know when I started playing my Indian classical music. So he definitely told me that Indian classical music is the world's main music that lifts you up. Someone told me that, how do you decide that this is the time of the night? It's a very interesting thing. If you meditate for a while, then the sky turns in the air, which is the song of the night. The one who wants to sing, rather not sing, he wants to listen to you in the air. Everyone who has the right knowledge, will have to think or say, Look, I am starting this. If he says that I am starting this, then he will meditate and that will happen. Our classical music is easily taken by God because it is a very shortcut route. And if you get some yoga power in it, then it becomes a double power. It will take you into the rocket. From non-existence to existence, the first reverberation itself is a sound. This is not something that only we are talking about in the yogic culture. This is something that's recognized everywhere. Well, the Bible itself starts off like this. First there was a word and the word was with God and the word itself is God. Word is a human interpretation of a sound. Right now I am only making sounds. You are making up the words because you assume you know English language. When he was talking, I am sure Elizabeth was sitting there and it was just pure sound for her. There were no words for her. You feel the words if you are chatty, all right? If you become very attentive, you will feel the sound. If you become absolutely still, then you won't even feel the sound. Everything will be just one pure silence. And everything plays on the surface, but it's just there. Something else far bigger than the sound is just there. Now in the night if you look up in the sky, you will see a whole cosmos out there, okay? Millions and millions of stars. But you see that only because your eyes are attuned in a certain way. But actually the largest presence out there is emptiness. It's the silence which rules the existence. Nothingness which rules the existence. Sound and forms are a small happening. Today modern science goes about proving to you, I am sure. Every musician feels it in some way. If you feed any sound you know oscilloscope, which is a sound measuring instrument, depending upon its frequency, amplitude and other dimensions, it gives out a form. This is how the whole science of what is referred to as mantra, yantra, tantra has been developed. Mantra is a sound. A pure sound is mantra. A lot of the music that they are doing is pure mantra. No meaning, it's just sound. If you utter a sound, it gives out a form naturally. So if you observe carefully enough, every form is throwing out a certain sound. In this culture, based on this we created language. Language is not something made up for the sake of communication. Language is like the blueprint of the existence that what kind of sound does this relate to? The corresponding sound is the name for this form. So if you master the sound, you have mastery over the form. So this whole science of wanting to use the sound as a passageway through the existence, music is a beautiful way of doing it. There are other hard ways of doing it. Chanting. Chanting is a hard way of doing it. Pure science, music is a beautiful way of doing it. Sounds can be used for well-being, for health. Right now I don't know the names of the raga. I am completely ignorant of those things, but if he sings various raga, I will tell you this raga, if you sing, your blood pressure will go down right now. And you can check it. One fifteen minutes raga for the singer and the listener, your blood pressure will go down. These people are experiencing in a concert. They may not be medically, you know, measuring it, but people are experiencing, they listen to something and they become like this. They listen to a certain sound and become loving. They listen to a certain sound and become joyful. They listen to a certain sound and become aggressive. This is happening, isn't it? This is happening, isn't it? So, sounds are creating not only emotions, they also are changing the very chemistry of your system. So what kinds of sounds you are exposed to does various things to you. Or what kinds of sounds you are generating also produces, does various things to you. Why? One of the first things that you do, if you want to go on spiritual sadhana, first thing is shut up. Because stop uttering all the ugly sounds. Just shut up. You just stop talking. So many things about you will change. Simply because you are no more causing the damage by uttering wrong sounds. Swar is the Brahma. It starts from here. Swar is the God in itself. We call it sound in English or something. There is so much power in sound that it breaks the bridge. It is a very hard bridge. But it should be known which side it is. What is the Swar of this bridge? If it is known, it will crack the bridge if it is put very hard. If both Swar are together, then it will crack the bridge. No one can stop it. If a singer is very accurate, we do not know what accuracy is. We come so close to it, but it is not accurate. It cannot control its power. It cannot control its one soul. The bridge that breaks my father was singing in Ajmer. So a Swar was singing, the Swar that he was singing, the Swar broke the roof. It is not an exaggeration. I say that if the Swar is right, then the Swar broke the roof. They will say that it broke because of your singing, because of the Swar. The power of the sound that Panditji was saying is in the modern science, we are trying to explain it off as resonance. If the Shruti is perfect on the two, naturally the string will break. So just about anything can be cracked with your sound just by something like this. If two people just do this, if it is a perfect match, you can bring the building down. Being in absolute unison can create a certain energy where one plus one is no more two. One plus one is a million. So classical music, when two people sing, Jugalbandhi is never about two people singing together. They are always setting up this thing because the musicians who crafted this music are aware or if two musicians are absolutely perfect, they could cause damage to the physical structure. People may just attain, their bodies may break, it is possible. Music is a good vehicle to transport yourself to that last point. The whole process that you see in the existence is from non-creation to creation, from unmanifest to manifest. But the other process is also happening. Today cosmologists have recognized a whole galaxy will collapse into itself and become nothing. It will become a black hole. It's nothingness. And nothingness is recognized as the most powerful space in the existence. It's the energy which is the basis of the sound. Because there is energy in this body, I can make these sounds, isn't it? But at the same time, sound is the basis of energy on another level. It is because of sound that energy has happened. When there is no sound, there is energy but it is unmanifest. It is simply there. So today, modern nuclear science is explaining this in a certain way. You know, you can see virtual protons and virtual notarons being created. If you just as much as add energy outside, not connected to this chamber, if you just play energy around, you will see virtual protons get created. That means creation is happening in an absolute vacuum space. So in a non-existence, which we are referring to as Shiva, existence is beginning to happen. The first play of energy, so we say this is Shakti. Energy is Shakti. Once she begins to play, creation begins to happen. The first form of creation is always the sound. The first, there was word. And it's both ways. We always try to understand everything logically. Logic always moves step by step. Creation does not move step by step. There's no point trying to logically put it on a blackboard and say, this, this, this, this, this, how creation happens, it's a silly way to go. There's only one way. If you cave into yourself, use whatever. You use music, sound or a sledgehammer, use whatever the hell you want to use. But if you just cave in, then you know it. So the classical Indian music to a mathematical precision has recognized which sound can do what and they have evolved these things in such patterns. I feel unfortunately there are exponents of music who know it by experience. There are certain half-baked scientists who know something about the sounds and they know the benefits, they measured this and that. But there is no one person who is like him at the same time, a scientist who can do all those things. When that happens, it will be good or at least if two people get together like that, it will be good. Where all these things can be explained in modern terminology. Right now what he does is purely in experiential sense. People know it happens but if somebody comes and asks questions, how does it happen, they don't know. They say it's all your rubbish emotion. That's all. You too identify Indian nonsense so it happens to you. It needs to be put out. Somebody needs to work on this where it is expressed as today's science understands. Today's science has a very rudimentary expression. Why I say this is, today's science has survived only because of technological devices it has produced. If it does not throw out gadgets nobody would value this science because it has no life significance of any kind except for producing conveniences and comforts. So this is the different kind of science. Now, sitting here and singing about Shiva, what will you get? Nothing you'll get. But life will happen. I thought we came here so that life happens to us. Not because we get a camera or a cell phone or some damn thing. We came here because we want life to happen isn't it? The only reason why a human being is alive here is because he wants life to happen to him. So this is a science of making life happen to you. This is not a science of producing this and that that also could be done actually. Using the sounds that also could be done but that's not the focus that's never been the focus of this culture. This is about making life happen in highest level of intensity and beauty and music is the closest thing to meditativeness that way.