 Good morning everyone. Can I just ask a question first? How many people here are actually awake? Okay, you guys are doing very well. You've had five nights of partying at least and it's amazing to see here. For this panel on ideas, tools and examples for OpenStack groups. Now, we've got some really, really great guys here this morning. Very credible. They're responsible for organizing some of the best organized user groups in the world and some of the ones with the most members. So there are the titles up on the screen, but I thought it would be good just to start off. Guys, take 30 seconds, take a minute yourself and explain what it is you do with the OpenStack community and why people should listen to you. Thanks, Sean. My name is Colin Mechmer. I'm a contributor and core viewer on OpenStack Docs. Sean and I started a project called OpenStack Training Guides with the goal of creating open source learning and training enablement to kind of be able to take a guy from zero to hero. Let me see. Other things to do within OpenStack is starting to participate more in Neutron and Open Daylight. Sean Roberts, San Francisco Bay Area as well, Yahoo. So we definitely do hackathons and that's the thing we're probably the most proud of. We also work with Mirantis and they help us by running the beginner-oriented meetups and we're working with Cloud Scaling and Seagate. We've been running the more advanced topics at San Francisco. Yeah, and I'm Naty Shalom. I'm the city and founder of Gigaspaces. We've been around since 2000 and ever since I've been involved with the founding community. It's called IGT in the case of Israel where we promoted and helped the community to actually share information around grid computing at the time and later obviously when Cloud came in around Cloud and now with OpenStack we obviously that was a natural thing to do the same thing with OpenStack. Shannon McFarland and I'm with Cisco. I helped co-found and co-organized with Scott Lowe from VMware, the OpenStack Denver meetup and so it's grown and been very successful in partnering with surprisingly a large number of companies throughout the Colorado Front Range area that have really started to expand their operations and development into OpenStack so it's been a successful endeavor so far. I'm Kyle Mestri from Cisco as well like Shannon. So I'm a neutron core developer and also the founder of the Minnesota OpenStack meetup. I think we've been running the meetup for about a year now as well. We get a lot of new users, a lot of enterprise type users interested in what OpenStack is as well and I think we're kind of most famous for bringing Best Buy to the last OpenStack summit and letting them talk about what they're doing. It's very cool. I'm sure you can bask in the credentials that we've got up on stage here. There's also some awesome people in the audience, everyone here. We've got Stefano who's the other community manager at OpenStack. Martin Kiss is working on a new user portal which we might talk about for a second. We've got Marcelo from Brazil all the way from there and many other people from around the world. So hopefully we're going to have a really good discussion. This is a panel for you. Anyone can kind of join in and kind of lead the speakers in a particular direction. We have got some questions prepared just in case none come from the audience. Would anyone like to start by asking our panel a question or should we go straight into the canned ones? Wow, question from the front row. So this is something that we had discussed a little bit beforehand as well. I run the Meetup Group in RTP, North Carolina. So one of the things that we're running into is we have a lot of talks that seem to overlap in our various user groups or at least content that is useful for everybody. Our last Meetup Group was on Solometer and there's nothing RTP specific about Solometer. So how do we get to a point where we can share content more easily? I think that, obviously with the work that a lot of us are actually working on here, I think that knowledge is something to be shared, that knowledge is actually something we should integrate with our source control. I'm not sure if it's appropriate to house it in a certain project or actually create a Git repo. We're actually posting not only the presentations, the content, the training tools that we're using within the user groups, but also find some way of actually capturing kind of the structure of some of the hackathons and sharing those. I know there's been informal communication between a lot of user groups in the world or people between user groups. I think capturing that in source controls might be a good idea. What do you guys think? I 100% agree. I think that's the way to do it because we've got to find a way to share all this information. We've been talking about it for a while now. So using the existing tools that we have, what you and Sean have done with the training stuff, I think we could do something similar for the meet-up groups. I think it would allow us to kind of help people out and get the next round of meet-up founders up here next time as well, talking about the groups that they've founded. So that's probably something we can bring up with stuff. But in the meantime, the easy-er-ist, a better word, because it doesn't always work right, is to take a video and use it as a Google Hangout and just put it straight out there and then notify somebody like Steph that it's out there and try to get it on the OpenStack channel. That's probably the quick and dirtiest way, although Google Hangout doesn't always work and running it that way is kind of painful, so you almost have to have somebody help you and film you if you can get an additional hand to do that. This is probably, for me at least, the biggest challenge of running a community is getting the right speakers and the right talks and I think that the large part of my time at least is spending around that because all the rest is logistics and something that it's much easier to control. Getting good speakers is really the hardest challenge. So I think you bring the most important point in my view in running a community and a successful community. So the way we kind of try to attract good speakers is the good speaker wants to speak to an audience that is big and that the voice will be heard. So if you build a community that looks like that, so for example, if we build an agenda that looks attractive and the website looks professional and they see that there is a lot of activities, then that's something that attracts them. There is nothing else that could replace direct communication so we actually pinpointing a project that our interest to the community and try to target the speakers directly and try to actually bring them up. In every project it has more than one speaker so if someone is not available you could approach more people that actually talked about that and lucky for us I think there is over the internet you could see who is speaking and there is slideshare and there is different ways in which you could measure speaking skills and find the right speakers out of the pool not necessarily pinpoint just one person. For us it's a bit of a bigger challenge because we're not in the US so bringing people to Israel is even a bigger challenge so we do use the internet even though it's fairly limited especially because of the time zone issue. But I think that's kind of the mechanism that we found that is relatively working. This year we actually made a call for paper and we've seen people more and more coming and basically submitting good talks themselves so that was the first year that I didn't have to chase every speaker they actually came in voluntarily because of that but that's in my view the biggest challenge. I would agree that I think it's tough for Scott and I when we did it in Denver the challenge that we have it's a very transient IT area many of the people that live there actually work on the road they're gone a lot so a lot of the people that may RSVP for our particular talks may end up at the last minute not being able to make it and so they rely very heavily on accessing the content whether we post it on slideshare I mean some people use Google Hangout some people use WebEx whatever the means but I think the challenge of it is that right now you have to go to all of the various open stack meetups and people look at their topics and then find out if that's something that's applicable for your audience and if we had a more central repo type of thing where we could actually regardless of the tools that you're using people could more easily search and find content it would be a lot easier for people in very very thin markets where they don't have a lot of people physically attending or they can't really get to a good speaker base like you can in the Valley or Austin or something like that so I'm like the suggestion of centralizing that Yes I think by the way the idea of having something in OpenStack.org that actually allows speakers to kind of find those places where they can speak and suggest their talks to more than one group and we suggest that even to the OpenStack summit where speakers that already submit call for papers that would have a list of where those call for papers would go would help the communities to actually get those if you like speakers from the south Indeed and just as a bit of segue I should point out that we have a community for communities and we have actually a mailing list the community mailing list where if you're interested in any of these topics or want to work together to try and make something like a speaker registry reality sign up to that mailing list and introduce yourself So I'm going to try not to hog the whole time till I hear but so I like the idea of having things central I'm not sure that a Git repo is the way to go so the problem that we have with the Git repo is that it's very hard to organize information in ways that people can actually find it but maybe that's something that we can take offline and maybe that we need something a little more CMS like Yeah specific implementation not really getting there just central somewhere searchable you know Yeah Kind of along those same lines Mark and others you know again the idea of version control is great and I might show my ignorance here but you know blogs are a huge way that people consume this content and if there were a way and maybe we already have the vehicle through the foundation but even if it were just as simple as saying we're going to publish you know links and summaries to WebEx recordings, Google Hangouts slide shares, speaker deck presentations notes taken whatever any or all of the above it would be a super simple way in my mind for anybody who's interested in consuming that content consuming it without having sort of any sort of pre-existing knowledge about John systems or processes or procedures Yeah I totally agree with you on that by the way and there's the community newsletter it goes out that you know it's a lot of work to aggregate that you know I think that maybe we should as community leaders and members maybe focus on finding a way to easily tag and so it's searchable it's automatic, it comes up easy to curate and so we kind of lowered the barrier to entry to using the community mailer to expand that voice perhaps leveraging any of the RSS aggregation platform So I'm hearing a lot of technical open stack meetup type scenario I'm hearing a lot of technical implementation details talking about aggregates and tagging this kind of thing it might be time to move on from this particular topic perhaps we can zoom out a little bit if you guys feel like to the high level and maybe start at the very high level about what we got involved in community and why it's important to you things like how do you think what is the mission of a user group I like to share so I mean it sounds kind of silly but that really is the basis of what we're doing with the user groups we're providing a location for people to show up that want to figure out what's going on various different levels of experience and want to find out what's going on and so we share what we know and if we don't know it and we can't find it then we find somebody that can help them so the training stuff that Colin and I are working on are nothing more than we're getting a lot of similar questions from a lot of the other user groups and a lot of similar questions at different times from different people showing up so we thought it just made sense to not keep repeating the same answers over and over again but start to write it down and curate it so yeah so for me usually I've done it in several waves as I mentioned from grid to cloud and now DevOps and OpenStack the places in which I plug in is usually when technology becomes a movement a movement, a people movement a culture movement much more than a technology movement and the reasons why I find myself easily plugging into that because one it creates a lot of interaction that I learn from so there is that personal incentive built into that that also fit my day-to-day work and day-to-day jobs otherwise I wouldn't be able to afford doing it so there must be that alignment in place and it must be something that is beyond a technology that actually can justify an effort over pretty occupied in the day-to-day job that will justify it because it actually contribute back all the time that's kind of for me the type of things the other thing is that in Israel which is a small community small but very lively community it's something that we found that in some cases requires that initial ignition to actually get people aware of things but once you've done that there is a tremendous wave that is coming back which is very rewarding anyway so that's kind of the balance that I found I think for me that is actually quite simple we're lucky enough to live in Silicon Valley if you want to learn something you can usually drive about a mile and find someone who may have invented the technology myself I grew up in a small farm town and when Linux first came out in the 90s I remember getting this stack of floppy disks and just having no clue I ran ISP, this couldn't really important to me just couldn't get past that technical barrier of understanding and implementing an operating system that fundamentally changed our industry how we address that challenge is a bunch of us got together and started doing install vests we shared that burden of learning of sharing knowledge we improved our own situations in our company's platforms I think there's a very close parallel to that in the journey that we've been going through with OpenStack over the past couple of years and the user groups and communities are a way that we can help each other grow we can increase the value of OpenStack by increasing the consumption and contribution and it's very effective and it's a way that you can both give back and help others but also there's self-serving aspects to it you learn when you're teaching and when you're learning with others and by connecting with others is value to that I think for me it was really two things one was frankly at the point when we started looking at forming the meetup documentation was scarce and not of awesome quality when it comes to OpenStack fundamentals for non-developers and how to implement for enterprises and that's my entire world at Cisco is OpenStack deployment for enterprises so I did it as a means to not only help other people that I knew in the community and try to bring more interest and awareness for OpenStack but to also help my own learning of what the use cases might be what the challenge points would be from an OpenStack perspective and for us to use that as kind of a plan of record if you will to better facilitate documentation or presentations or recordings or demonstrations and really kind of fine tune what those things would be most useful for specifically in the enterprise and then the second part is I just think what everyone else has said can get the word out of what is OpenStack what can it mean to you what would you use it for and to try to bring people who are maybe not accustomed even though they're open source users they're not accustomed to participating bidirectionally in an open source community and that is incredibly critical to the success of any open source project especially OpenStack and I think that the speed of adoption of OpenStack and the pace of its development is primarily attributed to the wealth of diversity around the open source communication or the community right and I think that you know Scott and I saw an opportunity for the immense number of developers, vendors and end users in our area to be able to give them that form to participate and to receive information Yeah so for me I think it was really about there was this great project called OpenStack and everyone was talking about it and effectively I just wanted to bring that to the Midwest I wanted to allow people a forum to share information about it to learn from each other and to participate in this because a lot of people don't know how to participate in this so this provides them a forum for participation and hopefully what it does is it allows them to grow and maybe we'll see more Midwest OpenStack user groups because we get people not just from Minnesota we get people from the Dakotas as well from Iowa, from Wisconsin we get people from all over up there so mostly it's about enablement for me allowing other people to grow and allowing them to grow with OpenStack so that's what it's about Well just to ensure that everyone in the audience is still staying awake can we have a question from the audience anyone? Hi my name is Sai I came from Singapore actually I knew about OpenStack the YouTube video the video title is The Bird of the Cloud from the Rec Space in Nassar and I don't know what it is and I kind of like interested and I came here before I came here I want to know I fly to the US to attend a three days bootcamp from Miranda's and I totally knew and I came here to find out so what I realized is from Singapore I didn't know what people are knowing about what is OpenStack and now I know a little bit about OpenStack and then I want to talk to the people that about the OpenStack then I realized I ask myself and I still cannot find out and answer one of the people ask me why we need to do this OpenStack and why we need to use what is benefits and the question is which business is already using OpenStack in Singapore because if none of the business is using this technology the technology will not be successful so technology just depends on the business so I would like to ask the question how do you foresee the OpenStack deployment in the Southeast Asia that question so I don't know if I can directly answer the question about deployments in Southeast Asia but from my perspective and what I see at least in the Midwest is I see people that initially were deploying it perhaps for their developers so they deployed maybe a small OpenStack cluster for their developers to use maybe they had experience with Amazon or that type of development model that type of cloud but now what you see is after they've done that maybe 12 months now you see that they're deploying even more OpenStack and a lot of their future infrastructure is like that so there's a lot of companies that are going down that path because they like what it's able to provide them they like the features it has I think and they like the community around it as well the support model they can get that way that sort of stuff so I think that and correct me if I'm wrong your question is how do you drive people that are in remote location to the US and I think most of the forum here is in the US which is very different than the way you drive things outside of the US because a lot of the case studies a lot of the success stories that are in the US doesn't necessarily would say resonate because it always looks big and far and people find it easier to relate to things that are local to them to people that face the same challenge that they do that they face the size that they have to justify something because in the US you might have an incentive to start with new technology at earlier stage where wouldn't justify the need in a smaller community that don't have the reasons for that so the way I deal with that in Israel is that obviously if we found someone local then we make the voice much harder much bigger and lucky for us when we started we found someone like that actually by discovering it by accident almost which is a life person which ended up actually presenting here after they presented in Israel so we leveraged that quite a bit we also tried to find not the PayPal and the big case studies but actually found case studies that are smaller even around Europe or around the area that is relatively close and remote so we tried to find also those case studies and actually bring them in and not focus on the big one which again was very successful and people found it to be closer to them and this year we'll have five of them local so we started only with one and a lot of remote and now we have six that are all local so it's kind of building itself but you have to see it to actually make it run and the locality is very important as you rightly pointed out I think regardless of your geography around the world people feel comfortable doing something when they know they're not the first I don't care what element of your life that's applicable to it's just true across cultures and I think one important factor for Scott and I when we kind of review what is it that we're going to do in meetups and so forth is it always going to be some vendor who sponsors is now the person standing with the microphone I think what we've come to realize is that there's a lot of people that attend our meetups that are there for discovery of what are the use cases when should I start doing open stack that's above and beyond a development environment or proof of concept and so one thing that we're going to be kicking off here soon is about every third meetup we're actually going to have just a user based session which it could be one more lengthy use case from an enterprise account or service provider account or it could be four or five minutes long sessions hey I'm you know Joe from whatever company and this is what we are doing with open stack and so when people see other people doing it and they are nodding their head hey that topology looks kind of like mine and those are the types of apps that I would be using it immediately helps other people get that kind of you know comfort zone about progressing on and it expands from there and so that's one way we approach that and I think one thing that this kind of listen everyone speak and okay think about the non-presenting sign that's happened in SFA with the past year and a half I remember a year and a half ago actually two years ago it started a year and a half ago I found a community to be a part of and it still is rather new there's still not a lot of people doing it and what you would see is people would talk to each other the guys from eBay and on Seran would talk about their open stack installs and they would be presenting but just you know when you're hanging out and drinking a beer maybe before start bringing people from other areas of the industry actually the guy does STN for PayPal and we put in our first commit together he was running I think Ethernet services for AdTran so that personal connection that starting with one and Yahoo may be in the first one I don't know who's first one but you see this you create a personal connection with someone who's maintaining infrastructure that personal connection sharing of knowledge there's a lot of times call people outside the user group schedules how do you remove risk from your install how do you become comfortable getting your infrastructure up it doesn't happen every two weeks you're connecting to a wide variety of people and you kind of get this almost like a virus one person talks to two people two people talk to four people create 16 people right and you end up getting a critical mass for the connections that you create in your user community I would just add one thing or maybe a couple quick things so Yahoo is running a cluster opens that cluster in Singapore it's actually one or more active so but that kind of stuff is going on it's not very apparent because we don't necessarily shout it from the rooftops around Singapore that we're doing that or even around Sunnyvale but there are a lot of people doing similar technology right around the corner so the thing I would recommend to anybody and we always try to improve this is to participate in the OpenStack community one of the ways is to participate get on the OpenStack community mailing list and just put the question out I'm looking to talk about OpenStack because I'm just starting or I'm looking to do this kind of implementation you might just find that somebody knows somebody else right around the corner from you and you guys can meet at your local coffee shop or tea house or whatever that can be the start of your local Singapore user group it doesn't have to be too fancy the stuff that we've done with in Sunnyvale with the SF San Francisco Bay user group if we didn't make the effort to put the call out that we were doing something it would die within probably a couple months just because everyone's busy so we just make the effort to just kind of put the word out yeah we're going to be meeting here whoever has the time come show up and it just keeps people filtering out we don't get the same people all the time but we just keep it moving by having a repeated schedule that we announce just one thing on that regard is that again in remote location mailing list all the things that you very much used to in the culture are very different in remotely I think that the sharing culture is relatively new elsewhere definitely not that the scale that is in the Bay area and the joining a mailing list is a huge Bay area for people remotely it's not as simple as you may think one thing that we've tried right now which is new and I'm hoping that will work is that we've started podcast for example so kind of creating a stimulation of the communication between events beyond meetups in between kind of things so that there's going to be continuous kind of things but the stimulation is very important to actually get people to be aware of the mailing list they've even wanted to join that because of the bearer of language because of the bearer of the skill set the more shy all those type of things again that is that I find very very different than when I'm coming to the Silicon Valley it's like you know everyone just want to share want to go to meetups and you don't see that elsewhere that is that is true and with Singapore specifically there is a Facebook group that's starting to attract some people but perhaps the organizers need some help to actually get meetups happening so we can work on that later yeah indeed excellent so you guys can take care later was that a question I'm from Indonesia my name is Franz Tamura I think I'm already three years in OpenStack and we have three NOVA life and two is just selling retail like Rackspace and locally and one of the biggest telco also using the SWIFT for their school management I think for creating a user group we have to be patient because to educate the market so the market will adopt it and now I'm working with education and hopefully I'll be using work for the tutorial for the high school because my work is mostly in high school in OpenStack so we create ecosystem and my experience with Javaisu group I think is it good if we can share based on region so because mostly of vendor like SP, Dell is we cannot work together we have to buy the server even we buy we don't care about OpenStack if there is because the director of SP Cloud is my friend so we cannot still work I think if we can work together in regional base and especially from headquarter this is SP Cloud supporting OpenStack and he make a letter to any HP enterprise all over the world they will be help us because the problem in Indonesia we cannot use their meeting room but they sell OpenStack and they sell they have their own community so it's like fighting I think this question I think maybe if you can I can make a question out of your comments which is how can the user groups around the world help each other in all of these areas we talked about sharing content before but there are also other areas that user groups can potentially have a structure of the user group how do you structure it versus new people, experienced people how do you help other user groups in other countries even find meeting spaces or introduce people to make this stuff happen can I echo back something I thought I heard you say was that the manufacturers were maintaining their own user group and not allowing cross pollination was that your key concern yes okay I think that's actually worthy to ask that technically there are some blood competitors in the room right now that work together for a common goal of moving things forward I would say blood competitors VMware and Cisco, hyper competitors out for the death and I'm not trying to create drama but I want to highlight is that there's a personal connection between individuals and one thing that I always believe and I actually say a lot put your badges away guys that we're here as a community we want to go compete we can wait for 9-5 Monday Monday through Friday we can go compete in the field we can go destroy each other in the market but at the end of the day we're a community, we're individuals we may have paychecks that are given to us by others and that's a really important thing and from the top down in many of these manufacturers especially in the CTO organizations there is a focus on moving technology forward collaboratively if stuff like that does happen there's wait especially if you're not allowed to join a meet-up because it's hosted at a manufacturer those issues can be dealt with I think that's unacceptable honestly indeed so yeah whenever we're doing meet-up groups we encourage people to take corporate hats off and become more community focused but I'm not a speaker, you are yeah indeed it always works in both directions as well competitors are on the competitors I think that kind of bringing the vendor sponsorship maybe into the discussion how do you deal with the quality of content versus bias content that you steal when you find the community and you find events someone needs to pay for the pizza and drinks obviously but also if the event is bigger then there is the venue cost and there is more cost that you need to carry and there are different ways in which you can deal with that usually sponsorship is probably the easiest one to get funded and with sponsorship comes the problem of bias content and one of the ways traditionally we didn't do a very good job on that and we had a lot of friction in that process I think that what we found certain tips that I can share at least that made the balance much better one is that we're focusing on the content before we actually go to sponsorship knowing that if there is a good content the sponsor will come and they will still want to come but then we kind of have enough stock of good content there that they would understand that it fits there the other thing is the public voting so they can still submit talks and you kind of tell them here it's do your job and if you'll be voted then obviously you'll get in so you kind of democratize the process even for sponsors and they accept that process you kind of make sure that you filter away especially biased the other thing is that you do need to understand that someone who's putting money needs to know the ROI for that money there's been different ways in which you give them a way to actually get their word out even if it's a vendor thing so there was lighting talks or specific vendor slots for five minutes or something like that in which the sponsor can say his word I know it's very common in meetups in Silicon Valley and in the US there's a good balance also obviously putting logos and other things that gives them a way to actually get their word out because it's also important that they want to just sponsor for the sake of sponsorships and they want to see that they're getting something out of that somehow so it's important to keep that balance and that was the thing the voting, the sharing the other means that are not necessarily very biased content in the main speaking slots Dave Shaw I'd like to add I have a make this quick that I have made a personal goal to myself to start a user group every quarter for at least the next year I think I can probably beat it so we did start started help collaboratively started a user group at CMU in Pittsburgh a couple weeks ago but I think that kind of focusing on universities is a good neutral ground we had a lot of commercial interests show up as well as probably about half of the students were and there were some teachers yes CMU, Carnegie Mellon yeah yeah and I think that's an excellent neutral ground but also it's one of the things that I know there's some universities and students here but I'd really like to increase the count because I think that's an untapped resource that we can make really good use of yeah somewhat selfishly that does tie in to Colin and I's effort of creating training documentation and finding consumers but it's a good it seems to be a good mechanism for getting a lot of different smart people together in the interest of OpenStack and that might be the solution part of the solution for what you were talking about is to find a local university that would be a good neutral ground and then sponsorship is yeah I was asking who would be the target in the universities to actually target because universities are big so I'll use CMU as an example Carnegie Mellon so I'll make it real quick so the professors that are teaching the clusters for experiments so those were basically the guys there yeah cool well we've got about two minutes left before this panel is scheduled to wrap up any closing remarks okay so it was great to see the excitement around here I think what we'd like to see is if people are interested in forming user groups or have more questions as some of the people have said there's a community mailing list so definitely collaborate on that sign up for it send questions if there are people in the OpenStack community that would be more than willing to help you if you want to form your own group if you'd like to collaborate with an existing group so definitely reach out yeah I mean I think the feedback of as the community mailing list good everywhere that I don't know seems to work pretty well for us but there's also many people on Twitter hashtag OpenStack and you would probably be amazed by how many people would really like to help you get started whether that be just with the flow of a session how do you begin from a technical content perspective how do you find sponsors how do you identify locations and so forth but I think there's plenty of help to be had out there just reach out so if I have any tips here on closing remarks I would say one if you want to build a community around OpenStack one you need to make sure that it's well balanced with your day-to-day jobs because it's going to be time consuming and you need to devote a lot of time for that and if it doesn't fit your day-to-day job then you wouldn't find that time eventually the second thing is that there is a lot of resources both to get funded and to build a community site websites and other things, lucky I think a lot of those tools are not even doesn't necessarily cost so we wouldn't be sharing that right now but as you said the mailing list and other resources would be a good place to find what others have found to be good resources for building a community so we have started streaming we've done it at various times but initially we started off just trying to record and then publish to service we've started streaming our mean-ups through Hangout so everyone's willing to participate so Singapore, wherever you guys are right around the corner if you just can't get away from your office totally encourage you guys everyone to contribute and get involved or just watch but I'd encourage everyone that wants to be involved and if they're running a meet-up to do the same thing to try to stream as much as possible because that just makes it easier so there is if you do a search for OpenStack user group how to there's a pretty extensive list of how to set up a new meet-up and how to run one and it's a collaborative effort about what we've done in our experiences it's pretty long in detail but there can be a lot of little details that will sneak up on you if you're running it so I encourage you to check it out the most important thing that I can share is that teams span corporate boundaries a lot of times in the tech industry we can be hyper-focused on corporate alignments what we have an opportunity to do and I think what a lot of us have been very successful doing is focusing on the shared good the shared common goal and executing for the good of the community and at the end of the day that actually works well thank you very much for waking up so early after an extensive week of partying welcome to our panel on user groups let's please thank our speakers one last time