 Okay, welcome back. It's still the run-up. We did promise that when we return we're going to bring someone who will talk about what is happening in a number of states. It's just sitting governor versus an ex-governor. So Ludo has been in the news, depending on which side you are, for good reason or for bad reason. If you are on one side, he could be in the news for good reason. And if you are on the other side, he could be in the news for bad reason. But one of the things that trended a few hours ago, so to speak, is that the Iqbo, Ipeks Iqbo Cultural Group, or Hanezen Iqbo, has taken so Ludo not to court, not to the village square, but to the deities, like this one on Pasa'a Power. And so everybody was talking about it. But we were wondering how big is this issue that will make a sociocultural group like Hanezen Iqbo take someone to the deities? But they have come out to give a statement that suggests otherwise. And there's a long press release. Maybe you can help us. I'm going to try to drop a few parts of it. Part of the press release drafted by the president general of Hanezen Iqbo reads as follows. He says, the attention of Hanezen Iqbo Worldwide has been drawn to a bizarre and reckless publication currently circulating in the media suggesting that the Ipeks Iqbo sociocultural body, and by extension, Iqbo, have dragged Governor Soludo to the two famous divinities and deities, Chocoleze in Umbi and Ubinubabi in Arochuku for his unreasonable public behavior, adding that the sanctions against Soludo to face Ibo deities will serve as a deterrent to Southeast politicians who have been hired by enemies of Iqbo and Nigerians to derail the obese presidency come 2023. The Hanezen Iqbo Worldwide led by an erudite scholar and a seasoned diplomat, Ambassador Professor George Obioso, CON, who would have ignored the said press release, but silence in these circumstances will tend to give the validity to such a fallacy by the unsuspecting public. And for the avoidance of doubt, Hanezen Iqbo has never contemplated consultations with the deities in seeking solutions for the Ibo dilemma. The Ibo are profoundly endowed in various ways, least of which is a resort to deities for contemporary issues. It needs to be added that on November 15, 2020, the National Executive Committee of O'Hanezen Iqbo held a meeting presided over by Obioso. The issue of the place of the Ibo in 2023 was elaborately discussed, wherein Obioso stated, and in quote, having traversed the length and breadth of the country on an advocacy mission for the emergence of a president of Nigeria from the southeast zone in the 2023 general elections, we expected a positive outcome, but the two major political parties, APC and PDP, rejected with impunity and impudence the practice and convention of the last 20 years of rotation and zoning of office of the president. However, the emergence of Mr. Peter Iqbo as of today has fulfilled all the expectations of Iqbo to participate in the 2023 presidential elections, which includes winning the primaries of the party and being nominated as the presidential candidates of the party. This is the advice given to all Ibo contestants in the 2023 presidential election, which is appropriate by virtue of justice, equity and fairness. The whole country knows this to be the truth and the whole world knows this to be the fact. Of all of them are watching events in Nigeria, either with trepidation or doubt. Obioso concluded with, the situation in the country today offers Iqbo the opportunity to relaunch themselves in all socio-political dimensions. He added that yet we must keep asking the rest of Nigerians what do they really want to do with Iqbo. The decision will be theirs and the response will be ours. In other words, the position of Arnaz Iqbo and of course the Iqbo's with respect to 2023 is a constant. We rather use the opportunity to tank all the eminent Nigerians that have lent their support or thrown their weight behind the course of justice, equity, unity, progress and corporate existence of Nigeria in the person of Mr. Peter Iqbo. For Arnaz and Iqbo, it is either one is with us or against us, but never will Nigerians be distracted since history beckons. For several years to come, it will be recorded as once upon a time Indibu were shortchanged in the political calculations of Nigeria and Mr. Peter will be from Anambra State, braved up to change the narratives and that he was able to fill the Nigerian expectations. All the dynamics and intrigues associated with the above scenario will form the essential components of the Iqbo history. Arnaz Iqbo once more informs that the Secretary-General of Arnaz Indibu worldwide is Ambassador O.K. M.U.C. M.F.R. and any claim to the contrary and his chief makers, imposters, charlatans, social climbers and those media navigators who leech on the invaluable footprints of Arnaz Indibu to issue press releases for narrow, perverse and illicit pecuniary interests. It is a very long read. I was going to say you need like four liters of water. But then I think they made you know the major points that we're trying to point out the fact that they actually didn't take Governor Saludo to the deities as you know was being circulated in the news and social media at least 24 hours ago. It really sounded weird. You know the Iqbo sociocultural group I'm sure they will have a lot of Christians in it. They will have traditional religion practitioners. They might even also have Muslims within it. Iqbo is different from religion. So I was wondering it was so weird that a governor will be taken to the deities. How? Like they tie palm fronts to him and then push him to the deity? What was going to happen anyway? Yeah I was talking to an elder Iqbo statesman yesterday or day before yesterday I can't remember and he said something. He said that we were first Iqbo before any other religion. So it wouldn't be nice you know just telling from what you just said about how that there are other people practicing under religions but our members of the Iqbo social cultural group. So it wouldn't make sense actually you know to do that. It's a good thing that they came out with these statements and also you know also stating where they stand. You know that makes it even stronger for me. It gives the opportunity for them to learn the voice. A lot of people have said and I said is because I've seen it a lot of places the problem of the Iqbo's are Iqbo's. And by this statement it seems clear that it's imagined that the Iqbo man does not support an Iqbo man. Oh but you know with this they have stated their full support. So well they didn't take they didn't take soludo to the cleaners. We now know who they support or to the deities rather. We now know who they support. We know also that from these even though they didn't mention it it is even if it's a fight it's a fight between two sons illustrious sons of Iqbo land and they wouldn't wash debtilines in the public. But the public should know this but this also goes on to say how we believe hook line and sinker whenever there is news on the social media. It may not be as true as it is and you need to do some investigations and ask the relevant questions. Otherwise you might just be spreading falsehood which is very dangerous sometimes. Which is why it is important to do your fact checking. And also I don't know I might also want to say this from whatever was said about the investments made by OB. You might also need to go and do your own fact checking. Go and verify. Yes verify and find out for yourself and know if it's really worth nothing or if it is worth something. Someone has come out on social media to say if it's really worth nothing he wants to buy it for 10 million. Yeah one and Ibo man speaks. You know there is money in the air. Now I might just need to go back and check everything I have posted in my life on Twitter or everywhere because because the excavation I would say of soludos comments before now obese comments everybody's comments that will relate to this thing. Everything concerning this matter has been dug up and videos are flying around saying what was said before now and how the situation now has influenced what is being said nowadays. So whatever you do because tomorrow those things might come back to testify against or for you. In this case I don't know who is winning the battle but it just advices us somehow to an extent or it's not to an extent I feel like it's not even a battle like it's an exchange of opinions I mean your opinion can change from what you used to be two three years ago about a certain topic I'm not even being direct right now but I feel like everybody has the right to express what their opinion as of now is and I think that is what soludo is doing don't look at me that way. I mean he has the right to express what his opinions are. I just what I would say is even when you're expressing your opinions get your facts right. Yeah because superior arguments can always win so if I find for instance if I belong to a particular religion and another person comes to offer me another religion and gives me better facts it's not for me to condemn the one I'm leaving but I will tell you why I have decided to move to the other place so like well we now know that our guest is standing by and we'll just like to usher him in. Dr. Ezequus Silly. Hello and welcome to the program Dr. Ezequus Silly. Ezequus Silly. Dr. Ezequus Silly. Hello good morning. I can hear you my sister how are you? I'm very fine you're welcome. Okay I'm trying to find a better place to clear but I'm in a traffic yeah but just go ahead with your question. Yes since we can hear you loud and clear it's fine the way you are. We just want to give validity to to what we have been hearing. We've heard on the one hand that the entire Igbo nation took the governor to deities because of statements he made about another son of Igbo extraction Peter Obi and we've also seen a press release by the Orhanese and Igbo stating that they never did that and also giving their position where they stand in 2023 that is in the road leading to 2023 as it were but just give us authenticate whatever news that we should know the press release has been given but let's hear from you from the horsesmout you are there on ground and you are a stakeholder. What really happened? I'm still online. Yes what happened? Soludo vessels Obi that's how we are calling it. What really happened? Okay I'm in Edo Buu and Edo Buu is very close to Anambra. Are you getting me? Yes. Okay what is happening really is a kind of disappointment when you consider the kind of personality that Soludo constitutes. A professor for that matter of many years standing one time governor of CBN a central bank of Nigeria and what we all saw his arrival on that sea as the governor of Anambra said that they welcome development within the first two weeks he was able to correct a statement against indigenous people of Jaffa that had their activities are better in the course of his campaign and election. As far as I'm concerned and as a woman what is coming have gone back to by him is not welcome that's all. I am seeing a dear personality here a professor of high academic standards and the governor whose character has become divergent to the opinion of the world of him due to being has become a sacrosanct personality as far as we are concerned and the ABI also statement made against him is like a statement being made to the capital powers of Nigeria the poor people of Nigeria the downtrodden the rejected the total stood so what is happening the things that Soludo professor and our dear brother Pichu Buu is not a welcome development yes. Manezendipo has released the statement you know saying that stating their stand just as my co-host has said as concerning the 2023 general elections but this is like a back and forth between it's like a family thing now because it's the evil the apex evil social cultural group and their two sons going back and forth do you think there's going to be you know any further move to bring everybody home and have a proper conversation concerning this this issue. It doesn't matter one thing I want to believe I want to tell you that PTOB as it is today in the Nigerian central politics is not just an evil man and any attempt to affix him to the evil nation is not going to overwhelm. PTOB has become a Nigerian project PTOB is a movement because the ideology he is offering is not easily accessible so those of them who are fighting to occupy that secret is number one state in Nigeria so PTOB is not just don't talk about him as an evil man when we begin to talk about Nigerian politics it is a project it's a movement and it has to that everybody following him now Shalouda from his action now is trying to recruit himself remove himself from the central approach to the governance of Nigeria as far as I'm concerned he needed to ask questions and a person like him does not need to talk too much PTOB has often told people to go and verify it takes about 14-15 minutes for Menubu to Anambra even when we had the election Anambra had the election that brought up by Professor Shalouda the effect which the campaign and the election was having in Anambra was the effect very much felt in Menubu who are here praying praying for him believing that when he comes he will to neutralize all those negative positive that were in place so what is going to really affect the man standing and the effect of Africa as number one Igbo political party yes it will have an effect on what the post-installation will do represent yes because I know I thought as he's making this statement he's on his own he's on his own he's as simple as that okay well yes we will have to we'll have to take a moment now so that we can take the news and hope that after the news we can reconnect with you to finish some of the questions that are left hanging here for instance some of the people or the governors in the south east are vehemently opposed to the candidacy of Peter Obi if like Uche just asked you now if there is a conversation around bringing home everybody to be on the same page Dr. Chaos are you there I'm there standing by all right before we went on the news you were talking about how that you know Peter Obi is a Nigerian project and we I was trying to tell you that I understand that part I mean the obedience has scattered everywhere on social media and even on the regular media but then this conversation that we're having which you stemmed up from the things statements that were made by the governor of a number of states uh Charles Soludo and the counter statement made by the Ibo Apex social cultural group the Ohanez and Ibo which is why uh you know we're not trying to box Peter Obi into the southeast tenor that he is but we're trying to have the conversation in the home front you know from the home front uh what what that was why we asked you what you think you know the way forward is going to be like having the conversation with from the point of the Ohanez and Ibo bringing their two sons together and having the conversation like a family you know that was where we were coming from yes and then I said uh some some governors by the studio manager that because they have sound okay we also we also asked you some governors in the southeast making some comments showing that they are opposed to the candidacy of another Ibo son not necessarily an Ibo candidate as it were but like you have said but Peter Obi the governors of the south is making comments to show that they are opposed to his candidacy uh presidential candidacy and the question was is there a move that everybody in the nearest future will be brought to the same table to be on the same page or is all man to himself god for all if I understand your case well I I want to let you know that the governors of the southeast ten states um uh follow up of the operational oligarchy in the country they are as far as I'm concerned the government in the southeast ten states are operating on a different plane than away from what governments are doing and the reasons are very simple Ibo man is an individualistic person he is a liberally determines what he wants to do and he has to just follow the footsteps and does what he wants to do but given the current situation in the country we are facing a common enemy enemy of hunger enemy of holy death enemy of people who deny to the Institute or they have stolen from work so you find out that the people who are being governed are on one page those who are governing are on their own page that is just the truth I am surprised by by by the state in by the government of Anand Brasli before now who I think he was on the part of the massive I don't know what are you understand what I'm saying are you hearing me we're we're hearing you we can hear you well listen what I'm trying to say in effect is that it's not going to be very easy for for us to be on the same page in this is what was those of them who are governing off but the common truth is that we have found the truth and we have found the way because being chartered by the presidential candidate of the labor labor party is different from what is going on is your ideas are so simplistic straightforward and to the point and you find out that common market this way are on the same page with him if you begin to think about what hired people are saying about people they are not saying it on behalf of people I am telling you the truth if you feel what the manager and arm of the manager said it was even saying that they are prepared to take those of them who are trying to claim to be black for the shrine and you know the implication of taking this to go through the processes of the day it is condemnation we go man is traditional he is a traditionalist he believes in this destiny and step of his ancestors what is happening now the divine operation PTOB is a project PTOB is a movement if you come to Lugustes where I am now I had the opportunity of listening to the leaders of that party that's labor party talk about inclusion from the ruling party to start out what they have because these people who are on food they now want to go out they don't want to be removed but this time around the divine hand is against them can I go on sir yes please well it's it's really interesting um oh Anizen Dibo is taking a stand and everybody is taking their stand and you have talked about the fact that they governed are different from their governors so I don't know how that relationship will will be now I don't know what it is that you intend to do to keep the people who are governed on one one page and the people who are governing on another page yeah but that would be the next question because Dr. Charles you can hear me I'm listening to you okay that would be the next question because we in the in the in the past we've seen groups and political parties and you know come together to you know try and have conversations with their with their aggrieved members I don't know if the the southeastern governors have made their points clear on why they are not very supportive about the candidacy of upita obi but do you see a point where there's going to be a meeting to you know quench these grievances and get everybody to be on the same page well it goes to representing if they can come to the same page with the people but I know in it means and individually among them they know the truth are you getting me I won't be surprised if at the end of the day they decide to tour the line of the market it may not be a surprise to me are you getting me they may at the end of the day return to the focus where the masses are looking at yes so it is going to be very important if they can decide to do that because like I said what is happening now never happened in the history of Nigerian politics okay what is happening now never happened before in Nigerian politics yes and if you haven't had the opportunity of listening to me he may respond to one after the other and you don't need to ask questions or go to the library to conduct research to find out what are you saying what you're saying is true for this occasion it will be a pleasant to me the governor can make a new term I know individualism of them know the the fact what's going to be the point of what they are doing if they consider if they continue on that on that line there are two there are two things Dr. Charles that that went on that one of them has been debunked now by Honezen Dibo the first is that they took soludo to the deities I know Honezen Dibo has said this is not what happened but they have taken a stand and we have been made to know what that stand is the second thing that also went wild uh sort of was that uh they were the people the stakeholders in the southeast are threatening that the governor soludo might just have to serve only one tenor did this thing also happen just finally before we go you're very correct if we follow what is happening it is obvious that two of these governors two let me numb them them might not have the opportunity of returning to seat after their tenure and uh coming to the intro for Honezen you know Honezen is a is a is a tribal for umbrella body it's a national body for Dibo uh it is not going to be very good for them to get so much in depth involved into the political because everybody about two or three people are trying to occupy this number one national thing so it won't be good in the name of Honezen they begin to endorse one person but that doesn't preclude it doesn't remove the knowledge that we both are one as well as the future we project in some time have I made my point clear yes you have made your point clear and would like to thank you at this point for uh sharing your thoughts and giving our situation report as it were from the east thank you so much doctor for coming on the program I think next time which I'll be on disney together okay that will be so good we're looking forward to it thank you very much thank you well so there it is yes but one thing I liked is that he said no matter how much we would like to look at Peter Obi as an Igbo man Peter Obi is a project in Nigerian projects not and that's one thing I like about the politics going on right now um even though some people we know are using the regional card they're playing the regional card we still see them preaching the gospel of the oneness of Nigeria and so and and that's a good thing for me so if we are voting for people it's not because they come from where we come from but because we align with the kind of ideologies that they are putting forward it may not be Obi may not be any other person that we are even calling now 2023 might just surprise us and throw up a candidate that we never thought about because everybody will be fighting everybody else and someone just speaks it but like Obi said one day when he was being interviewed that when they told him that to to win for him to win is going to be a miracle and he said well everything about me is a miracle so if I win it will just be one of them so maybe there'll be one person one miracle that God is going to throw to us but at the end of the day this is our Nigeria and we're praying that 2023 really defines Nigeria and puts it in a very very good footing and we can you know make motivational statements as much as we want but if you do not have your PVC and you do not come out to vote and participate we might still be telling the same story for the next eight years so get your PVC's and cast your vote wisely that's all I can say well until we meet again tomorrow for another edition of the run-up stay fit stay healthy and be patriotic my name is Nyam Gul at Gadget thanks for being there