 Welcome, everyone. My name is Angela Mills. I work for the town of Amherst. This meeting is being recorded to the cloud. It will be uploaded to the town of Amherst YouTube channel by someone in our IT department within the next couple of days. I just want to let everyone know that we have three attendees in the attendee room. And at this time, I will turn things over to Jonathan and to Margaret. And we do not have a quorum. We do not even have anything more close. We're getting there, Sally. What do we need? Seven or eight? Seven is my understanding, yes. I got three. Yep. So Margaret, if you need to change the host for this meeting, you just hover over a person's name, and then little dots appear, and then you can change who the host is. Great. I know Simone will not be here. She's away. Kathy, I didn't think would be here, but she showed up at the finance meeting. So maybe she'll make an appearance here. And then Paul is also I don't think going to be here because he's away. This will be interesting. So it could be a very quick meeting if it could indeed if we don't get to a quorum. Okay. Is Dennis. I expect them. Yes. I mean, we knew we were going to be closer on this one because of the time there are other folks that can't make it. I'll give a mic call and see if he was playing on coming. I'm going to text Tim Cooper. Okay, I got Phoebe. That's good. We're just wrapping up. Oh, there's Mike. We had a short meeting prior to. Oh, okay. We're scraping towards a quorum here. So. I think we need two more. Let's see how many people I can actually see it once here. We might be getting there. We might be making it. Okay. Margaret, my trick is I can't see everyone. All at the same time. So I'm going to try, I'm going to try to count here and hopefully. Start officially start this once we get to seven one. Six, I think for six. If anyone sees a seventh, let me know. Yeah, we got one more. We got one coming in hot in the second year. Okay. Okay. Okay. Can you text Alicia and see if she's able to join? I don't have a number for her. Cause we do have several people who are away. So we need. Everybody who's an Amherst to show up today. As long as they can. Cause that'll be our meeting. Do that. But you know, that's better. Now I can see everybody. Did not magically make us a quorum though. So I'm going to go ahead and do that. And is it Rupert that, that you saw go by by chance? Yeah. Give him a few minutes to light up his computer. So for folks in the public who might just be joining us, we're, we're waiting a few minutes until we have a quorum. And she said she's coming. Great. Oh, there's Sean. I mean, and Rupert. So I think we're at a quorum and account one more time. One, two, three. Yeah, you got it. Okay. So let's quickly start the meeting. And Alicia will join us a minute or two. Once this begins. Good afternoon is, let's see, October the 21st. This is the Amherst school building committee meeting. I am Jonathan Salvon standing in for our usual chair. Kathy who's, I believe is still moving. Back. From Switzerland where she was during our last meeting. And I am now going to pass it over to Margaret who will walk through our agenda. For today. And there you go, Margaret. Hey, team. All right, I'm going to pull this up. Can everybody see that? I can see it. Okay. So in some ways, the agenda is very brief. Although the content may be more expansive. So the main item today is Dennis goes going to continue. Presentation and development that is ongoing. For the building. Massing. Wender designs. Everything. We will talk briefly about the agenda for the next meeting. Which is on the fourth and is going to focus on the site design. And I'm going to give an update. We've got a couple of invoices we need to look at today in short. So with that, I am going to stop sharing and turn it over to the Dennis go team. And Margaret, I just realized I didn't do. Oh, I don't know what I'm supposed to do, which I have to make sure that every big scene and be heard and Jonathan real quick. Alicia is in the audience. She just needs to be brought over. Okay. How do we do that? If you click on the attendees, there should be a few little dots next to her name. You just click those and it'll say change to panelists. You know, I don't, Margaret, you, you would have to do that since you were made the, the hosts. Yeah, Margaret. You're going to have to do it. Yeah. Cause they're called participants on my screen. So just click on attendees and then next to Alicia, there should be little dots that you can click that and then click on, and there should be a change to panelists or promote to panelists. Option. I see participants. So. So click on participants. Do you see Alicia's name? I don't. Do you want to just click on my name and make me co-host and I can do it. There you go. Okay. There we are. Nice job. Welcome, Alicia. Thank you all. And so I'm, I'm now going to make sure that everybody can. Here and be heard. And I'm just going to do it as I can see people on the screen and for that me that starts with. Mike. Present. Ben. Or is it. Tamara. Here. Phoebe. Here. Rupert. I'm here too. Sean. Here. And Alicia. Here. Okay. Now Margaret. We can hand it off to. All right. Tim, Donna. Vivian. Let's see, Rick, take it away. Yeah, we're going to let Tim be the star of the show. I don't know that I want to be the star, but I have the screen and I will share it. He's a good driver. Well, he's also got more screens than he did last time. So. This is true. Although I have just encountered a, that the host has disabled screen share. So I don't know that I can. If you allow me, I will. Sean, can you fix that? Cause I made you host. See if it works now, Tim. I am still not able. Yeah, I can't, I can't either. See what happens when Kathy goes away. Exactly. She runs a tight ship. Give me one second. Can you try it now? Now I can. Perfect. All right. Can you see that site plan? Yes. Yes, sir. So we're going to talk about some incremental changes that. We are making as we really define the boundaries of the site. Through meetings that have. You know, just sign. The site circulation of meetings with Aaron jock and our wetlands specialists that have. Changed our understanding of what our setbacks are at the southern end of the site. And then further considering the amount of space that we have to. Allow the site for outdoor play out or learning. And other community needs at the site. So here is where the site plan was last week. What we are looking at doing. Now is adding. Moving the building a bit to the south to allow for all of the program that we want to the north. And then we're going to move the building to the south. And then we're going to be introducing a slight bend into the center of the building, 10 degrees that will maintain the solar orientation of the classrooms. It will allow the entrance of the building to face the main drop off loop a little bit better. And it will create a little more space between the existing building and the new building for. Facing construction separation. And it will also ensure that we can build all of the play structures. So that. In the fall of 26, when the building is occupied, it will be fully operational. And as they are demolishing the existing building. The play structures, the outdoor learning, that will all already be online rather than part of. A phase two or the fall. Tim, can I ask you just to, to, to redo that back and forth? That would happen really quick with your slides. I just want to. Yeah. So at the scale of the site, 30 feet doesn't look like a lot on this drawing. Granted, but that is a lot of flexibility terms of a playground phasing, getting stuff. So that is the before and after. This is the general location that you've been looking at for. The past several iterations. And here we are moving to the south. They're still comfortable distance between the drop off loop at the point where there is no parking or service. You're 15 feet away where you have parking or people exiting vehicles or walking into the building. There's more than enough room for all of those activities to happen. We are continuing to study, but we've actually. Adjusted the program so that the. Service area wall is back further from the gym. So even with moving the buildings out, there's more separation between the service area and the drop off loop. So that's what we've been looking at for the past few years. Maybe. What's that right outside the cafeteria now. Right outside the cafeteria. That is an indication of where we will have some seating that's not proposed layout in terms of table. It's just an area that is identified. So, and then what exactly that seating will be, whether it's picnic tables, benches along the planting or something. It's just a hatch to represent an area. So I think. As, as we were saying, we're still refining the exterior. So. Yeah, let's. Keep going. No, no, no, I'm just saying November 4th is where we really want to get into that. So you're going to see some minor changes that might not even appear or be meaningful to you all. Right now. So we, I think the point of showing the site plan was just to show that we were able to really move. The building down, which really helps us. Real, real quick, Donna, before we go, just to touch a bit on that, that next meeting. And I know we'll talk about this a little bit before, but just for folks that are, that are watching in the public. While that is the main focus of that meeting, that does not mean that we're going to planning to tie up everything in the neat, tidy bow with the site. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. This is just to kind of continue to design. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Like that. There's a lot of moving parts. And we want to make sure that whatever we show, we can actually do. As everyone knows, there's. Between stormwater grading. Other kinds of requirements. Geothermal fields. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so. Yes. Yes. Thank you, Jonathan. All right. Then moving indoors. As Donna said, that was sort of. Context for. The plans as we are showing them to you now. So other than, you know, that 10 degree bend in the middle of the building, all of the program adjacencies are essentially the same as they were before. So. Is shown with the stair to the north as it's been and the exit to the bus drop off loop to the south. But we are studying flipping those. A stair is a space that can. Absorb some interesting geometry, perhaps better than a room. As you see the stairs and a triangle of space. You can see where the kids come in from the bus and go straight for their classroom and then have a first floor exit to the playground. And then as we go upstairs, you can see that the program might sack a little bit better there. But the adjacency of the cafeteria, the gym, the administration suite has been tweaked a little within its own walls, but all everything else. And the plan is as you have. Then moving up in the building. With the change in geometry. And then the third floor. The third floor room really affected on the second floor is OTP T. And then on the third floor, that. Geometry affects the mechanical room, which is a series of. Palms and compressors. And that doesn't really affect anything. We are studying, but we haven't got to that point yet. Flipping the stair from the north to the south side and putting the teacher and staff dining. Where the stair is. So it's located in the same place on each floor. It would get north light. And then a stair would be directly adjacent to where students come in on the first floor from the buses and could go right to their classrooms. He's got a question. So second floor, you said OTP T would be. Obviously having a stair on this side of the building. Would that just flip over to the other side then how would that. What we're looking at is taking the teacher workroom and staff dining, which was one space essentially putting it where the stairs and OTP T would move a little bit to the west where that space is now. I mean, there are a lot of things that we have to study. But just to, you know, fully outline what the possible adjacent sheet changes are. And we think they're pretty minimal and it will sort of improve the layout of the building in the site. This is what we're studying. Other questions. Robert. If you can go back to the first one, that'd be great. Sure. In the back of my mind, I've been thinking that it, depending on how busy things are in the custodial area and the kitchen area, that the, the person entrance might end up having to carry some of the load of deliveries to and from the kitchen. And I'm wondering if a stairwell on that slide would. Make that less. Just, just to make sure I understand your comment, you're suggesting that some deliveries would be coming through this store. If you can see my cursor and going over to the kitchen rather than straight through receiving. Possibly. Yes. Just because of how busy and the timing of how all these deliveries and custodial work and how likely the custodial area is to be delivered to the kitchen. I mean, I think we would make our best effort to design this service area in such a way that you weren't and have to be redirected. You know, it's a pair of, it's six foot doors. Obviously if the space is cluttered, that affects your ability to go through it, but there is the possibility to make those door widers do a different type of door. We cannot control the space being cluttered, but we can give you the space you need. You know, so that every, every operation, every traffic flow is going where most wants to be. I mean, there's. You know, this door, even if there is a stair here, it will be double doors. It will be wide enough for a hand truck or something like that to get through. But I mean, there are, you know, good reasons why you would want all deliveries to come here as I'm sure you would prefer and know. Thank you. Other questions on the floor plans. If there are no other questions on the floor plan, we were going to share. Some updates to the videos that we. Reviewed at the time. Subcommittee last week. Great. Hey, Jonathan. Yep. I just, I don't know if you saw Angelica has joined the meeting. Yes. Angelica. Can you hear us and make sure we can hear you. Yes. Great. Thank you. So this only has minor changes since the last. Building committee and some tweaks that we showed at the. Science subcommittee last week. The mass thing is still largely the same. The fenestration patterns are. Similar. This doesn't have the 10 degree. This does not have the 10 degree. We're working on that. And I apologize that we. We can't bring all the materials up at the same speed. But certainly at next week's meeting. Which I don't know if it's scheduled actually. We will certainly have that. So Tim, why don't you talk, but not much has changed. Right. You want to just talk through. The material. What we're thinking. Not much has changed. Essentially an overall palette of two masonry. The higher spot, which we. I don't know if it's scheduled actually. We will certainly have that. So Tim, why don't you talk, but not much has changed. I don't know if it's scheduled actually. I don't know if it's scheduled actually. Which we have seen. And a lighter, possibly course, or ground-based CMU. Still the accents with a. Bright masonry or some other panel next to the windows. Here we have the sunshades on the. Southern exposure. Mike, you have your hand up. Yeah, but you can finish going around. I mean, I'll remember my question. It's a question. I know we'll focus more than next time on exterior materials, but we'll focus more on the exterior. And then I'll, I'll jump in. Yeah. And so here we are at the bus entrance on the south of the building. And with those plan changes. This will open up a bit more. And if we put the stair here, it's likely that this will be. Glass year. It will speak a little bit more to entrance. And not something while you're slipping by the service area. And then also with the plan changes, the service area wall is moved back further from the corner of the building. So we'll be able to build more substantial site walls or maybe even fence it off entirely and still allow it to comfortably function. So that the experience of driving by it every morning and coming to the building is, is, is improved. Here we are coming around to the front. So those are the tweaks on the exterior, which granted our minor, but they're building up to some. I don't want to say major changes, but I just want to make sure that we have some improvements that pick up some of the options that we've been talking about. One, the canopy is still sort of the placeholder, if you will. But we've heard your thoughts on color and marking entrance. Obviously there will be some changes to the elevation related to the plan changes and then just continued development on all aspects of the building. Do you mind if I jump in with a couple of thoughts? Please go ahead. Yeah. So thank you for, for this work. It's coming together in some really nice ways. So I had two thoughts on next year materials. One is that maybe it's my eye, but this looks more like red brick than the iron spot that we've seen. Is that just something that next time around we can see some of the differences of how it looks because I, you know, we've seen the iron spot and those who've been in person, you've been able to see it. It's in my office for anyone who wants to see it, but it doesn't really seem like it's showing yet on this model. Am I misreading that or misunderstanding that? Or is that accurate? I would say more than a misreading. It's a failure of the, of the rendering, the renderings, you know, you try to balance the light so that it doesn't look dark and, you know, unless you spend a short time, it's never going to be looked like a photograph. But the short answer is yes, this is my question. Thank you. The second one was not so much on the aesthetics, which I think we spent a lot of time for good reason on, but actually the durability. So I just wondered whether it's iron spot or the porcelain or other materials, CMU, in terms of durability, right? I mean, I was showing the materials to someone this week and they were like, I really like to try to destroy it, not because they didn't like it, but just to like see how is it going to last over time. And so I said, no, you can't destroy it. And no, it was rhetorical in nature, but, but I just wonder, you know, durability, is there a difference between some of these materials? You know, because, you know, New England, you know, takes a beating on its building as its cars, just the weather patterns. And, you know, we can think about what this will look like now, but what's this going to look like in 20 years, you know, how our data is going to be. And, you know, if a, if a square or rectangle does get damaged, what, you know, what is the kind of, how are we able to repair? Like those types of very practical real matters, you know, have not been where my focus is, but this conversation this week really shifted my thinking a little bit to that. I don't know if you're able to, and if this is for two weeks from now, you could forget it for today and leave it, but just definitely on my mind after the conversation ahead. Well, we can certainly talk about it, but if you're looking at a sample of an exterior material for a school, the correct thing to do is actually try to destroy it because we are, we are not going to propose any materials that are not lifetime of the building materials. Your brick, your ground-face CMU, they'll be there forever. There are materials like phenolic resin panels, perhaps a composite metal panel that are certainly durable for the life of the building, but we might not use them next to a door at ground level or anywhere that a snowblower could bump into it or something like that. The best, we have that in mind with every material we select and it is a true and real concern. Are there any relative differences? I know that you're saying, sorry to, it's okay, Jonathan, to ask a follow-up. Oh, yeah, yeah, go ahead. Is there any relative differences between those materials? I totally get that you're only bringing materials that would, and thank you, like we rather not look at materials that look beautiful or inexpensive and 10 years from now, we'll be like crumbling, like that'd be bad, right? We can make a bad decision. But are there relative differences of note or really it's, it's just, you know. Sorry. The differences that you might be able to pick out. So masonry stone materials are all going to be light fast. There will be no fading. They will look the same as they do the day you install them forever. There are perhaps some panels that will, I don't want to say discolor, but change over time, particularly the phenolic resin, depending what's on it, but not to the extent, but we also make sure that we specify the ones that are the least stable and then, you know, as I said, some of the panel materials are not, I don't want to say they're not durable, but they are not durable as masonry. So for those are the reasons that we don't put them anywhere where they could be hit by something. Right. So like, but the difference between iron spot and red brick and yellow brick. Oh yeah. Right. Those are all roughly. Yeah. Brick is essential. Brick is essentially brick is essentially brick. The one, the one area where you might get into a difference in durability like that is called a clay coat, which smells a little bit, but we have not, and probably will not suggest anything like that. Thank you. I appreciate it, Tim. We also, just to add to that, we also select materials that can be cleaned. So in the off chance, not likely to happen, right? If there's graffiti or whatever, these materials can be cleaned. And it goes the same with the porcelain. So the porcelain is pretty easily cleaned. It may be, it probably is less durable than the solid masonry wall, but the system is very easily replaced. Right. So you can actually replace the panels pretty easily. They designed it in such a way that you don't need to replace lots of it. You just replace a panel at a time. So because of that, we typically don't bring the, the porcelain, the rain screen all the way down to the ground. It will put something a little bit more durable. Like a solid masonry material. Do other folks have questions or comments on the exterior? BB. Sorry, my question is about the interior. So let's finish here. And then I have another. Okay. If other folks don't, I have a quick question. And I realize it's not going to be fully answered. But Tim, you were talking a little bit about how you're going to push that wall of the service area or the service rooms back a little bit. To gain a little bit more area for the, almost like a surface courtyard or service yard with screening. Is that, is that where the dumpsters are going? The several pros and questions, but you know, the pros, the dumpsters are kind of very forward in the current school and be nice. If they had a more discreet home. That currently is where the dumpsters are going. It's close to the surface exit where the trash will be coming out. And it works with the geometry of the loop for a front loading truck. And, you know, part of the reason for pushing it back is to, is to hide the dumpsters. To the extent possible of what in that location, I mean, the, the other operas. The other alternative is to move it pretty far away, which is a burden. Rupert. Great. Thank you. And just touch on that. We haven't really fully developed that area. So I don't, I don't want anyone think that like, we're just going to put a screen wall and walk away from that. So once we get the geometry of remove, if we're tweaking it a little bit, moving the stair, we'll, we'll move it a little bit further away from that. We'll, we'll move it a little bit further away from that. We'll certainly, there'll be a whole study on how we can best treat that area to. Make it as nice as possible while recognizing. The activities that occur. Rupert, go ahead. Just a quick question. I assume that if that wall gets pushed back, there's some other compensation. So there's not a net reduction in area for that space. That is true. So. So we're going to move it a little bit further away from that. So that space will get wider, but shallower with the same amount of area. Questions for the exterior or shall we move on? I think we can move on. Can always come back. Let me go to the inside. Walking through the front door. The doors are all propped open, which they would never be as a concern, but that drop off. But this allows you to see what's going on. This shows two transaction windows in the vestibule, which is the product of a discussion we had with Sasha. We are looking at also combining them into one larger window, but this is the window where once you've been buzzed in from the outside, your credentials will be checked. It'll be make sure that you're supposed to be in the building and then you'll be buzzed through the second set of doors. And once you get through those doors, there is the desk to the administration office, Tammy's office beyond the other nurse. And then a security screen that could be pulled in front of the desk or off our functions that would allow the office to be secured. Moving past the main office, Tammy's office, there's a lobby itself with some benches and seating. And then we're looking through the glass to the cafeteria and the stage. As we get up here, you can see the corridor that leads to the music practice rooms and the stage, which will also be usable as a practice room with storage for the considerable instruments that are part of the program. As we started to allude to the last time, the idea is that the large public spaces off of the corridor will be transparent to the extent that they can be to allow light into the lobby and allow a visual connection to what's going on. We have to study what the opportunities are for signage, for display screens. Next to the gym is the stair going up. And then this is starting to articulate what the cafeteria will be with the stage, a space that you look through to see the playground to the north, outdoor seating. There's another view of the ramp. You know, this is just one of the ideas that we're putting forward as an area for art within the building. But there is also areas for putting student work and things on the walls. Another look at the vestibule from the inside, colorful materials that would be durable. This is a wood panel that's shown or might also be a veneer panel on a resin, sound absorbing panels throughout, and then possibly bringing the exterior materials to create a connection inside of the vestibule. Did we show what you have a question about Phoebe? Actually, it was about the first floor ceiling height. I'm just wondering whatever happened with that, because I know we had some, we had gotten some concerns about it being, you know, a few feet higher than the other floors. And I know there was some, we needed it for the cafeteria. And I was just wondering what happened with that. So we are looking at, and maybe in a bit we can go back to the plan, but we are looking at it rather than having the first floor be 17 feet or 17 for as we had it. Yes, are everywhere. We could reduce that. And then the media center, the library is basically aligned with the cafeteria below. So if we were to bring the second floor down to call it 16, 14, 14 for the building, you would have to take a short ramp or a couple steps up to the library, but that would have, you know, some practical benefits in terms of cost and operating costs for heating that we just want to make sure that we can do that structurally and get all of the clearances for the ramps and everything to work, but it is something that we are certainly looking at. Thank you. Other questions on the interior. Rupert. I can see from this particular image, it looks like portions of the office couldn't really be secured when the public is in the building after hours. It looks like it's wide open. So this jam of this opening is a package for a retractable gate for lack of a better word. It's a folding panel door. So it would come and what this is not shown because we're so early, there would be a track in the ceiling. There would be a track in the floor. And it would be a locked metal gate that prevent access. Yeah, we often put these in. We build these into our schools so that when the school is closed, but the community is using the other spaces. These panels are actually glass panels so you can still see through them. I mean, they can have different levels of translucency, but it still provides kind of a still a friendly feel. So it's not a roll down great or gate, but it's kind of integrates with all of the glass. That's already in the lobby. Rupert. Hopefully you can tell us stories about sliding panel walls that are more successful than my experiences in the past. Yeah. Granted, we have had, or we know that operable partitions are, or can be, if not properly designed, or particularly if you have a building that likes to move. Can be a problem, but. We are aware of those issues and we will give you a one that is up to your standards in terms of. Moving. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just, to have my own comment. I really liked the openness of it. During the day. It really. Makes I think for a very welcoming office opposed to a wall or. You know, additional doors you have to. Navigate. To actually talk to a human being once you've been buzzed all the way through. Yeah. We've done this successfully as well at other schools and. They operate fine when, when they do need to secure it. But again, right? We want to be as welcoming and opening and not, not feel confined. So. We can certainly, as we get into it a little bit more. Have those detailed conversations with you. Other questions and comments. And I can, if there aren't any, I can pass on some of what I remember at least from, from the design committee. The folks who had seen it last week really liked the, the sense of. Of the liveliness of the color and the, and the light. You know, even though a lot of what we're seeing right now is just sort of stand in for, for the eventual materials that will that will get chosen. I think there was a generally. Well-liked kind of warmth to this space. Yeah. To add to that, Jonathan, we talked about bringing in. Natural materials, right? So the wood. In itself creates a warmth to it. We looked at. Different kinds of wood were probably leaning towards a lighter colored wood like maple. Potentially with some deeper colors for accents. And that really blends for a lightness within the school. When you walk in, you really just kind of feel that this is light and happy and joyful and just beautiful with the colors. And we are just starting to look at colors. So as we get further along in the design, we will bring a few, a couple of different color palettes for you all to, to look at similar to what we're doing outside. We want to bring some of those colors inside. So that really is a whole, a whole building and the inside relates well then to the outside. Yeah. I think there was a lot of kind of appreciation for the, the level of transparency that you're showing here. Yeah. It's really great to be able to stand in the lobby and be able to see beyond the space and, and to be able to see the playground and the fields. I think that's a goal is to bring in not just the natural light, but to provide those views out, right? It's all about providing a really healthy. An environment that really lends to healthy learning for the kids. And Vivian, if in this view, we would see that outdoor seating area. Is that correct? Yeah, we have a good amount of glass there. The doors are that go out or to the left or vestibule, but you should be able to see right through there. The grade is very close to what the finish elevation of the floors are just on the outside there. And we will look at what the optimum height of the windowsills are in that area. Again, you know, we're just starting to look at the amount of glass, the amount of light and controlling it. And this, of course, is the north side facing glass. So it really is kind of nice because we don't need to worry about glare and direct sunlight. And only, yeah, I just want to add, we are developing the outdoor dining. And we are trying to do it. And we'll be bringing it before you as well as kind of looking at some of the considerations when we look at the full outdoor solution as it relates to the outdoor learning play areas because it could take up a lot of space. And so we just, we just, we just want to be careful that it, the outdoor play area doesn't just become an extension of the cafeteria. So, but yes, we understand that's an important component. So we'll probably have a little work session as it relates to the outdoor learning. Remind me what the size of the cafeteria is. And then to follow up that I'm going to ask you, Mike, or whoever actually Rupert, you may know, what is that in relation to, you know, how does that look in relation to the size of our existing cafeterias? The cafeteria is 3,700 square feet. And that's the size of the cafeteria. And that's the size of the cafeteria. I can answer that. It would take me a second to find the existing, which is considerably smaller. I'm trying to look it up. And we're basing this on three seedings or two seasons. It's based on three seedings. I was just going to say three seedings. And I think the difference between this and for those familiar with Wildwood or Fort Rivers cafeterias, those are like, well, they don't exist really right now. So we're going to look at, you know, some of the, some of the sort of classroom ish sized rooms that were subdivided with temporary dividers. And only one of which had like. Kind of authentic, you know, many windows to the outside. So, you know, there's size, which is an important question, but it's also where it is in the building and how it's set up. Those don't have, didn't have high ceilings. So Crocker farms is more analogous to this, both in terms of the. In terms of. And function that it would serve. So, so if, if this is accurate, you know, Mike, this might be based on what you were currently using because we were in the middle of COVID. It was showing 1200 square feet for Fort River. Right. So it's, it's that times three. And while wood has two, it was showing, right. So. So, you know, if you've divided it by three, it would be three times that, right? Okay. And we've also, we've also figured, I think. How many students, if everyone sat, it's going to, you know, our goal is to be able to accommodate. So, you know, it's going to be three times that's on the floor. Okay. I was like, can I just clarify something? So. Get this right in the notes. So it sounds like the pre COVID cafeteria was 3,600, three times 1200. Is that right? Yes. Okay. Thank you. And now we're at this one. We'll be 37. Correct. Phoebe, did you have a follow-up question? I was trying to figure out in terms of, because this is going to be, you know, these are going to be the areas also that our community uses for, you know, parents night and whatever else we go to because, you know, we got to go. And so I was just trying to figure out with. Parents and kids and all of that. What, you know, how does that compare to, and of course I'm, I'm very familiar with Crocker and not as much the other schools. So I was just trying to figure out how it would all compare in terms of having all of those bodies in a place trying to, you know, do whatever we do in those spaces. So. You feel like you got the answer to that? I just want to make sure. Yeah, I, yes. Thank you. Other thoughts, questions, comments. Tim, do you have any other views you want to show us or. Those are the views that we have prepared. I mean, we are sort of. Head down design mode, get stuff done. The changes are iterative and in the next couple of meetings, we'll have a considerable amount to show. Well, the video is a huge help. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. In visualizing this. So thank you for the level of effort that went into this. Yeah, so I think. We're honing in on some details. Right now. Circling back with folks. As it relates to some. Program. Functions within spaces that may or may not impact. The overall design, for example. We have adequate seats for the staff and the admin. I think. The principal's office, the location of that now is, is appropriate and where it wants to be. So I think we're good there, but there's going to be little silly conversations that we want to make sure that we have. I shouldn't say silly, but little, for example, how many lockers do we need to provide for every classroom or every. You know, for every classroom, because that will impact. Trying to hone in on some of the items that may impact space and or cost. And we do have a new code coming up. And we are trying to understand how that's going to impact the project. So as we're trying to get ready for our cost estimate, we'll be having that conversation preliminary conversation with our design team to understand what those implications. Are and how they may affect. The project. So to Rupert, we started talking about the size of the generated location of the generator. But before we go and finalize that conversation, we want to understand if there's impact. So we're going to go back to the size of the generator based on the anticipated new code. So throw that into the mix and. We're just trying to get everything ready. For the cost estimate. But it's exciting and we're really excited and obviously there's some still some details to work out like the first floor height. How do we maximize the height in the spaces that really we would love to see that height without. You know, the first floor height. And then the second floor height. And then the third floor height. Where it's unnecessary and things like that. So I think that's probably going to be more of the focus. Going forward over the. Next few weeks we are submitting our cost estimate. December 5th. Is that accurate, Tim? It's, it's that week we are sending it to our estimator. So with Thanksgiving in there and whatever. We're running. So we should, I think, then talk about upcoming meetings. So the next committee meeting. November 4th, two weeks from now is going to focus on the site design. And as it's noted in the agenda, outdoor areas on site traffic playground school after learning fields. We have not made a plan to have. Design site visit. A week from today when the alternate Fridays that we have been meeting. And really, I think we have been doing this. Because Denisco was asking as they kind of really charged forward with the design to be able to get some input in between meetings. So. Yeah. I think that's a good answer. I know you need to post it. So you'd have to get to us. Fairly soon. Yeah. I mean, I think. To be honest, it may be more important to pick a time and I can just put a placeholder in everybody's calendar. And then you can let me know, let us know at the beginning of the week and we'll notify everybody. I wasn't able to come to the last meeting. Because I was out of town, but. 10. When have we been doing it? 10 o'clock. Start. It depends. Yeah, they've buried by week. Okay. Well. Could you get back to me by Monday? Just so I can put it in people's calendars. Yeah, we just have a lot, a lot to do. I know you do. And I don't think that we'll have. Anything more for in-person show and tell. So I think it would be our time would be much better spent. Making progress. Thank you. It's, it's to benefit your process and to give you more feedback. So Phoebe. Yeah. So I was just wondering. Because so part of the, the site conversation. There was a lot of. Sort of community question and input from. You know, wreck and all of that kind of stuff. I'm wondering if that, if that input is going to, you know, the next meeting, like if we're going to have people. If it's going to be this format or if we're going to have people. Ask their questions, give advice, that kind of stuff. And if that wasn't the plan, does it make sense to have people have input at a site visit next week as opposed to that meeting? You know what I'm. I don't know if I'm saying, well, what I'm trying to. What I'm trying to ask, but. Well. If I were to rephrase Phoebe, I think the question is we've. The design team has heard from a lot of people either. In, in meetings that have occurred. To date with. Folks in the city like Ray Harp. And we've had a lot of, we've had a lot of meetings that have occurred. To date with folks in the city like Ray Harp. And we've had written. Recommendations and suggestions from members of the public. And there has been quite a bit of input from the school. So. I think if I were to rephrase that question, I would say, given all of that input. Does the design team feel like they need additional input. In order to move ahead with developing the design proposal. Because people can submit. You know, written testimony at any time. And I think every, we would welcome that. So. This won't be the last site. Discussion iteration. I, I, I'm a thousand percent sure. Again. We're making like really great progress and able to capture more site than we thought. But there's no way that we'll have everything resolved next week. So, so our. Suggestion would be let us present. People can of course provide feedback as they have throughout the entire process and we welcome it. It's been helpful. And then maybe we can go from there. I think we're going to, I don't believe we're going to have the design. The site design laid out far enough in advance to have a conversation with park and rec. To have any meaningful input. So we're going to have to do all of that after we have the opportunity to present next week. Or at the fourth, which is not. Oh, the fourth, right. Right. Right. Right. So the fourth, if I'm hearing it correctly, the fourth is, it's more, it's more like a status update. That's where it's where we're dedicated to talking about. The site a little less about the building. But it's again, not, it's not a final conversation. It's, it's more of a. In depth. This is where we've, this is what we've heard. This is as far as we've gotten. We know there's more. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Jonathan. If we have time. I think we're going to have to do that. I think we're going to have to do that. I think we're going to have to do that. I think we're going to have to do that. I think we're going to have to do that. So park and rec and, and others prior to that. I will certainly do that because that's helpful in the process of where everyone knows. Or is hearing what we're hearing. We may have to focus a little bit more on the outdoor learning. And activities for the school. Prior to that to make sure that we are allocating sufficient space to meet their requirements, so that we don't have to do that. So. Let's just, if we leave it that. Unless we're able to expedite it faster than we can, that we'll just present on November 4th. Look for input after that. And again. This will be an iterative process. This is just a simple question. I'm not sure if I missed something when I was away on vacation. Are we expecting to hear more from care about the changes in the. On-site off-site traffic stuff. And do you think that'll be in two weeks? We have been informed that. The town is going to handle the off-site discussion. And that's going to say exactly that. So I'm not sure where the town is in, in all of that Rupert. I don't believe that they wanted to or plan to engage par. For the off-site improvements. We have shared with them our current. On-site. And just getting some input. I think we have a little bit more refinement before we make sure all the radius work. They're going to check all the radiuses and do all of that. But if you were talking more to the off-site, that would be a. Conversation to be had with the town side. Thank you. I'm looking for other hands. Seeing no other hands. Okay. So it's 2 31. And I want to spend just a couple of minutes. We have a couple of invoices to look at. And I wanted to give the committee a brief update on sort of contracts in general. This will not take long. But we will need to take a vote at the end. I would suggest that we do take one, you take one vote to approve all three invoices. So there's one invoice from Denisco. And two invoices from answer advisory. But first, let me kind of give you an update. On where we stand with the current costs of the feasibility process. So this is a document, which has been sort of simplified. There's, there's quite a bit of bookkeeping behind all of this stuff, but I thought this might be a good, simple way to explain where things stand. So just to walk through it. Quickly. So the town has appropriated in total. A little over a million dollars for this part of the process. And it was, it was appropriated in two different pieces, but for the purposes of our discussion today, that's the total, the base contracts that were established last fall. So this is the OPM is obviously us. So our original fee, which was anticipating a project that was, you know, basically going to a vote in November. That was about $196,000. And then the base contract for Denisco was 500,000. Now. Two things have happened since then. And Denisco was kind of very forthright. At the time that base fee was negotiated. Which was that because depending on the choice of site. And depending on some of the decisions that were made in the early months, the contract of the project, like deciding to go with geothermal, there are a whole bunch of consultant pieces of work that were not included in the base. So our contract has expanded a little bit because the timeline is no longer. So instead of it ending in November 2nd or whatever it is, it's going to end when the vote happens in the spring. And then Denisco has this whole crew of folks, many of whom you've met in meetings. OTO is doing the site work. Pair the traffic engineering. Berkshire group has, you haven't seen, but they've been involved with surveying the site to confirm the wetlands boundaries. The geothermal work, et cetera. So it sort of goes on from there. There is so all of that together. And then there's the, there's the, there's the, there's the, there's the, there's the, there's the, there has brought the total. I actually didn't put the total in, but there's, there's still money in this pot of appropriation. Although at this point we're not anticipating additional fees. So when you are looking at the invoices, I just want you all to know that. The invoices are being tracked against these. So this is Dennis goes invoice, which was for September. And you can see here, let's see the request for this period is here, 33333. And then I think this kind of summarizes the rest of the, that this is this whole list of all these folks who are working on this project, right? And you look at this, it's gotten longer now because there are, there's this big crew of consultants who are doing additional services. So actually the, the total invoice when you include all of that is just a little bit under $40,000. And behind it, there's quite a bit of backup. That explains all the pieces. So I'm just going to scroll through this quickly. This is the base contract for Dennis go and they get a kind of small markup on each of the consultants, which is really to partially compensate them for managing all these people who are doing work on the teams behalf. And each invoice ends with a workforce participation document that the MSBA requires. So our invoices are simpler because there's really not as many people. So this is our invoice for August time, about $8,300. And then ours have this sort of different kind of billing, which is just mostly me with a little help from a couple of others. Tracking our hourly billing. And then this is our invoice for September services, which is for $10,571. It includes a small amount of billing for Shelly, who's our net zero consultant. And again, there's the same kind of hourly billing of hourly, recording of hourly time. I think this is Shelly's invoice at the end. So, so. That is what is out there to approve. So Jonathan, I'll turn it back to you. Does anyone have any, before we move to a vote, does anyone have any questions on the items presented? And if not, I will entertain a motion to approve them. For payments. I make a motion to approve all three invoices as presented. Second. And Sean seconds. And I will now do a roll call votes. And I'm going to do it in the order of folks I can see. And so Rupert, you're first. Hi, Rupert. Ben. Ben also. Amy. Yes. Mike. Hi. And Phoebe. Yes. Sean. Yes. Alicia. Yes. Angelica. Yes. And I am also a yes. So it's unanimous with three absence. Yes. Okay. So. That is really the content. For today's meeting. We have, I just want to comment. But yes. I just want to say how great it is to have Alicia back. So thanks. For working with us to figure out a time that you could participate. Thank you all. Thank you. Okay. Okay. I made you host again because my internet was unstable. So you'll have to bring people in or if you want to make me host again, I can bring them in. Let me see if I can. Figure out how to do this. So I'm going to go to attendees and I'm going to bring in Bruce cold them first. So Bruce, can you hear us? Yes, I can hear you. Thank you all again. I just want to reiterate. Firstly, what I said to the design team and those present last week at the design subcommittee meeting. That I just think that the progress is excellent and very, very reassuring and positive. And it makes me feel pleased to be a part of this town and this process to the extent that I am. I think it's coming along really nicely. I think comment on the proposed 10% crank in the building, the 10% 10 degree, I should say 10% crank. That sounds like I'm way back in the budget conversation. I think in addition to the benefits that Tim mentioned, there's probably going to be an aesthetic enhancement that we wouldn't realize. Well, actually you might realize when the model is adjusted, but when it is a 10% crank is a really subtle thing. You think it doesn't amount to much, but in three dimensions, if you move around this building, it's really going to enrich. I think the formal aspects of this project. It's also going to enrich the outdoor space opportunities. Because when you have the small crank, it's not now just a straight exterior wall. It's a cranked exterior wall. And I think we'll all be surprised. There probably won't be, but how it enriches the opportunities. Then quickly, shifting the stair across the building. Again, the model allowed us to see or imagine how that might be with the glass extending up above that entry to the two stories above saying, as Tim said, entry. I think that might be a really nice thing to do. As far as I can imagine that I support that move. And finally, what wasn't mentioned, Phoebe didn't mention it in the interior fly-through, but she did in the design committee meeting. And I thought it was a really interesting and valuable observation. So I'm going to repeat it on her behalf. She mentioned that she noticed that the floor surface was plain. She probably understood that the modeling and so forth meant that that probably was a default situation, but she said that she liked it that way. And so did I, because the enrichment of those spaces was by virtue of what was being done to the floor, the walls and the ceilings and also with the daylight and the sunlight was coming through. So having the floor as a plain neutral plane was actually rather nice and reassuring in some ways. And I mentioned at the time that Michael, I'm not sure whether Michael's still here or not, that might give Michael's aspirations for wayfinding a real opportunity too. So if the floor is uncluttered by anything other than whatever might be wayfinding, I think it will be helpful for the wayfinding, but it also is, I think, a good place. I think it will fit with the design as it is emerging. Again, thank you. I think this is great. I'm so pleased to be an observer of this whole process. Thank you, Bruce. All right. I'm going to bring Maria. Kapicki and Tony is also here after Maria. Go ahead. That's interesting because I had not yet raised my hand, but I was going to. So this is. Oh, you know what, Maria? I saw, I'm so new to this. I saw your name here and I did not realize you had not raised your hand. So you have the floor. So I, this is a request to please post the slides from this meeting. ASAP. So we can look at it and especially that, that 10 degree adjustment and that shift down. And if you could please put on those designs, the, the scale so that it will be. Easier to figure out or possible to figure out what can fit in different spaces that spaces that would be very helpful. I have to admit, I am disappointed that. There is not going to be a back and forth conversation, a dialogue about the outdoor space. I thought that's what we were going to have. And. In, if that's not going to be the case, then my request is also that you post whatever is going to be presented on the fourth. As soon as humanly possible so that. That'll be on the force. So that we can, that when we, when that we meet on the fourth. I think we just accidentally muted Maria there. Yeah, that was me. Sorry, Maria. I don't, I do not know what you have heard, but the point is for the fourth, could you please put whatever materials are going to be presented in thoughts as soon as possible so that we can think about it and react to it, not in the moment and be able to, to take, take the drawings and, and sit with them and, and think about them and be able to have as much valuable input as possible. Can't do that when it's posted just a day or two before or, or after the meeting. Oh, I had something else and now it's gone. Alas. Okay. Okay. Thank you. So I don't see any other hands up. So I think we are done. That may, that may be it for today. Okay. I don't believe there is any things that we're not anticipated before the last 48 hours. And so I will move us to adjournments. And so we're adjourned. Thank you all. Thanks everybody.