 Hey everyone welcome back to the tenor fine podcast. Obviously. I'm missing someone in this chair. He is a Getting water. He'll be back in a moment How you guys do a welcome back to episode 82 in tenor prime packets as you see we have a seven pack today and Everyone showed up. So that's hey, you know what that's a that's a cheer for us all we Know no one cares All right here prime because nobody's changed for the Packers anymore they're going home, so I mean oh My god sports ball. Oh, yeah, that's why I totally came here to talk about I'm just saying I'm just saying nobody's changed For them we're all going home. So I mean you guys want Right now, so I'm good. I'm MBA now the rest of the year that's right. I'm not even cheering for the Packers next year We're done Watching that one team beat the ever-living Jesus out of our team just to watch the quantum mania trailer there They that's it There you go. There you go. 65 and seven. Oh my lord Welcome to the podcast. I'm your host as always the tenor of a dance You guys know the other guy in the big board right now mr. Eric Moore Oh, and then we got Cap Burgess in here. How's it going, buddy? Hi? I'm doing pretty good Actually, I'm a little overheating right now, but Thank you. I'm good I Overdressed apparently This time and then you'd be really That's because I was no no that was that was at the time that was called for that was completely called for All right, next up we got Mike Odyssey. How's it going, bud? What is going on? I'm here alive and kicking and screaming sometimes, but Oh good He's here and next up we got the man pouring the drink over there HMK. How's it going? What's good guys, so it's good to be back I've been playing a lot of games and I've been chilling and whatnot and I just need to get colder where I'm at because I'm tired of being in January in winter and having the air over here and hit 90 degrees What 90 degrees Miami, Miami, it's pretty nice last night. I want to play here to Canada if you want and we can I live in like the hottest part of one of the hottest parts of California and it does not hit 90 degrees in January Not even close. It's like 50 degrees right now. You can go to the G. That sounds great. Oh, yeah I mean, yeah, the beach has like the really nice breeze going on right now, but I mean like it takes like to Los Angeles like all the homeless people are like flooding down the street Damn, all right, we got I'm just restart here. How's it going, buddy? Um, I'm doing okay. Yeah Having a good day I figured today I'm not talking for a little bit. I might actually open up this Lego box I might I might but I yeah, I'm just ready to talk to Nintendo. Let's do it And then we have another returning guest here in player essence. Although this is the first time he's been on the big boy cast Usually, it's just Small. Yeah, good to be here. Thanks for having me on He's used to cast like this though. He's also member of the spawn cast over there So he does big member podcasts every Saturday over on the spawn wave channel. All right Well, you know, let's just get started. We always start off every single show I talk about what games have we been playing lately? And I guess since I got player essence up here I'll ask him first. How's it going buddy? What games have you been playing? Yeah, I just been playing a ton of Vanetta 3 I Restarted it After all the nonsense from what happened and I've had a lot of fun with it And then I've also been playing Metroid Dread again So yeah, Vanetta 3 Metroid Dread those are the two games that I've really been I beat Vanetta 3 beat it completely now. I'm doing like postgame stuff. Holy smokes How do you feel about the update that they just put out very good update it fixed Viola because Viola was not I read about that I'm like, oh, yeah, finally. Yeah, it fixed Viola. Like I said, I didn't test performance and all that I mean, it feels like maybe it's a little bit better in some areas But without the machines and all that it's impossible for me to really test it out But it feels good. I mean they fixed the camera a lot of times like the camera was kind of jank So they fixed that it's better. It's not perfect, but it's better Yeah, Viola's a lot more fun to play like blocking with her feels good Like you activate which time last longer all that good stuff. So it was a good update It was a very very very good update actually makes Viola fun to play So yeah, and Dread is just fantastic. It's always getting good. So yeah I'm still waiting on more updates for Dread after they like I'm pretty sure they haven't updated the game since the boss rush And the one in mode. I think they're done. Yeah Yeah Every second of Metroid Dread several times over what you would play lately, Andres So I finished Wind Waker HD. I don't know if I mentioned that last week, but now I'm Me deep into Twilight Princess and it's It's awesome. Honestly, like I I was wondering if it was like aging well Like, you know, we always talk about Wind Waker aging really well, right? Like people it's it's like become more popular over time But I feel like there's this conversation conversation about Twilight Princess that maybe it has an age as well But playing through it I just finished Arbiter's Ground. So I'm like about halfway through and I mean, I still think it's really good I mean the only real issues I have with it are just maybe like Switching to wolf mode all the time is a little annoying Like I wish it was just kind of like the mask and Majora's mask But you have to like talk to Minna and change the world. Oh, do you have are you playing because it hot? Yeah, I'm playing on the game pad. Yeah on the game pad. There's a button There's only one way to play Twilight Princess HD and that's with the game pad for that button alone It'll work, but it has to be like tethered because the battery is like That is the most ghetto game pad It's even worse than you think because I actually in college I don't know what I was thinking I had my game pad on the floor and I had a stool in my hand And I just had this random laps of laps of like Judgment like my IQ dropped to like about two and I just dropped the stool on the game pads And it broke. Why would you do that? I don't know what's happening. I don't know I also thought you were gonna I thought you were gonna put it on the stool and then you actually sat on it No, no, I just I just dropped it. I don't I don't know what happened But anyways, I fixed the screen, but I had to like, you know, take it apart I bought a new screen and put it in there. So it's been through some battles. It still works I just have to like plug it in this kind of battery taped in with duct tape I didn't know we were revisiting the old school red green show over here Yeah, but anyways, Twilight Princess is still a really good game Nice HMK, what have you been playing lately bud? Honestly, I've been playing a lot more God of War Ragnarok And uh, I haven't even touched Elden Ring since last time I was here because I beat the game I'm I need to start a new game plus. I'm still playing through five eight days over two when it comes to Kingdom Hearts and uh I've been playing our cream of time Like again and again and again and again I just can't put that game down And then, you know, a lot of people are going to be like, man, really when I'm about to say this I Been playing a lot of Genshin again. So I'm like, I'm I watch you stream Genshin Yeah, it's good. It's it's people like the game Yeah, no, I love the game and I have to build a primogems because Dia's coming out soon So I gotta save up for that and you know, all of you was like, oh, but Genshin like, you know the gacha I'm like, listen, I am an adult. I pay taxes I know what my money's about. I can control myself when it comes to the gotchas of the game. Yes, it's predatory But I know what I'm doing All right, so let me play the game. Let me let me let me live Can I say one thing about Genshin, dude? I would total if they just made like a Genshin patch That's just like a regular game I can spend like a hundred dollars or two hundred dollars and I can just get a normal game I swear I would buy that and just enjoy I would give them two hundred dollars. Oh, yeah, easily Yeah, but you know, they they can't make money off that. They just like, oh, you're 200 dollars and that's it They can't they just don't they know they get nothing. No, not as much as they would with all the with all the gotcha Oh, absolutely. But now I won't play it at all. It's it's like, what's that one game? Um, even though this game's free What's that one game that's like a shooting game for a switch? It's free play. Um, ninjas Um Yeah, I think it's it turns me off like I'll start these games, but then I was like, oh I have to like buy stuff to play the whole experience and like, yeah You know, I what where where do I start where do I end and that that's what throws me off Nice All right, they could even do like the gotchman cat, but if like they told you hey Buy this package that gives you like the main experience so you know, you're getting the main experience We can still buy like extras on top. I think that would work. Yeah But they way they may waste much money off the gotch. Yeah, I know I know they may I'm not I'm not hating on them for I mean, they're making money out the you know, that's why Mario Kart tour is never going to be a console game Yeah, yeah, put all the levels to the switch Ubisoft which is you could find some tension impact success right now Yeah, they are we're getting maybe a smidge of that later Mike, what are you been playing lately? So I finally finished Crisis core found a fantasy on switch. Nice. Oh my god. I love that game. Love that game now now My my my original plan was because I need to I need to get my you know, my zelda Uh fan theory better because I want to do more videos on zelda. So I will play um, Twilight Princess and Wind Waker and um This other one would link link between worlds. I'll leave it to us. Yeah I got link between worlds on my steam deck. I got uh, Twilight Princess and uh, wind waker on the Wii U But now I want to play Final Fantasy remake On the ps5 because I just got over our crisis core. I'm like in this mode of man This game was so good. I just want to continue the story With Final Fantasy 7 and then the other what was it renegade the second part? I'll integrate integrate No I'm in the RPG mode right now. I'm excited for fire. Um fire emblem gates. It's gonna be my first one I definitely recommend like if I'm gonna engage is gonna be your first one And if you like that, please go back and play three houses. Yeah that game had me Oh that game had me like I would not make videos for a week that that game just had me bro Go go to go to three houses and maybe in seven days just go ahead and not do anything else with that I'm like, you know Let me just wait for an age and then and then I'll go back and just to give it a time because I want to make sure I enjoy it well Set aside fire emblem three houses is incredibly long Like oh, yeah, it's like two games put into one There's like this and then there's like and if they're both like on the hard mode It took me with you can't grind you can't like on hard mode You can't grind or level up and it took me 86 hours to beat the game. Wow You're just one of the main the first run through right one story. Yeah, just one run through Yeah, there's three separate stories to go Count the dlc If you count the dlc, that's like I spent about a hundred hundred something hours You could easily put like three four hundred hundred hours in this game if you want a hundred percent it Game so good. Oh my god. We go back after engaged after engaged Because um Yeah, if I if I start playing now, I think I'm playing games like maybe months ahead. Yeah. Yeah, you won't be done I love three houses, too Like it was like my favorite switch game in 2019 But I only did one story. I did the Edelgard route and I I never actually good Yes, black eagles. Yes, there we go Worst round of the game worse No, no, no, no. All right. Yo, yo, okay. Okay. This is this is your Your cred hinges on sense. Okay. If you're not black eagles, then what are you? Blue lions. That's all right. Good. Good. Good because I swear if you were gonna say golden deer I'm like you guys are golden deer is a bunch of glue eaters. All right Every every team every team that is yellow in nintendo or otherwise are glue eaters golden deer team instinct Anytime your yellow is platoon I did the golden deer like I'm like halfway through the golden deer route and I'm like, this is okay But at that point I've had enough I've had enough Oh my god. All right. So blue lions acceptable because I if you said golden dears, I would like No, but black You're crazy. So I see you. I know why you like the black Because you're insane No, what you are the perspective though, right? No, her path was true. Her justice was just because you're psycho That's no Edelgard wasn't wrong. Edelgard did nothing You know I'm sorry. No, we're gonna spoil it for for mike. I don't want to say anything So look I started playing three houses and I totally went golden deer. It's my favorite I don't even know I just have to get through it first I see it My fiancee's texting me right now because she hears me from the other room and she's golden deer and she's texting me. You're wrong I knew I liked your fiance. She's awesome. She's a great lady Every image of claud has him upside down because all they know how to do is meme. That's it Get her a prada bag. Get her a prada. She deserves prada. She deserves what a Chanel bag Get her something nice, please. Get her something nice. She's she's not a bottle of glue, please I Everyone that was team sweet in the latest black fest y'all are gluators, too Y'all out here eating play-doh cake with elmer's frosting. All right What are you playing cap? Oh, I've been well actually other than splatoon A lot of which I was team sour by the way, and you know, I finally hit s plus one After way too many hours So I guess I was the glue eating team because we were yellow Like it was like a highlighter and stuff greeny. Yeah, it was like a highlighter exploded all over the Actually won my first hundred times battle there. I was I was very proud of myself. Oh It was great. It was great. I've also been playing four swords adventures on the game Because um, it's the only multiplayer zelda game. That's actually fun to still play single player No, it's really it's really fun. I I the last time I played it is 2014 According to my old save file date and I was like, why have I not played this game in in so long and it holds It holds the hell up. It's really fun. So, you know cap like I'm gonna I'm gonna make a confession really quick Yeah, I played and beat Try force heroes by myself And I thought it was I thought it was fun I I like playing try force heroes by myself. So like when you say five sorts of edges like Try force heroes. No, like are you sure honestly your wife's glue? I honestly did not see the problem everyone's all like what you don't know how to like totem properly Just run by yourself. No, it's definitely the first zelda game Where try force heroes was the first time I played a zelda game where I was feeling like I really had to just like push myself To actually play it. I wasn't like drawn into it or pulled in like I was like, okay Time to play try force heroes. I guess How do you feel about zelda 2? It's oh me zelda 2 and and and find more to enjoy there Then try force heroes. No, I love zelda 2. I I feel that's that that that game needs to be remade by mercury steam now. Yeah That's an amazing idea. That would that would be nice. I would like that quite a bit. Wow Unless it means that they stop working on another Metroid game, I'd rather they continue with Metroid or they get out Retro students can finish prime four I would rather that No, that would be ideal. Metroid prime four is only a tactic to hire people. It's not real No, I agree. I agree. What are the percent is Metroid prime four in the room with you? I'm just crying internally right now, so Eric, have you been playing any games lately? What's up still putts in my way through uh Sparks, hope okay slowly, but surely getting an hour or two a week But you know slowly, but surely I'll get through it. Nice. Nice. Nice. I'll have fun though Yeah, well, you better keep having fun because that might be the last one we ever get. Yeah More Not happy right now. Anyways, oh, I got something to say about that You know, we got there. Yeah. Um, yeah All right So I've been playing uh three games. I think it's kind of weird because I started off the last week trying to get back into Xenoblade Chronicles 3 because I never really got past the first few hours So I was trying to die back in because I told myself I was going to beat it before tears of the kingdom And then my fiance started playing Breath of the Wild for the first time And so I'm sitting there watching her play in bed as I'm playing Xenoblade and I'm like I gotta I gotta I gotta I'm watching her like Figuring things out. She's just having fun throwing bombs. I'm like, I remember that But also I'm kind of did you know you could do this? You could shield No, don't tell her things. Let her figure it out. All right. I'm gonna grab mine And so I started playing Breath of the Wild as well And that's when I put out a tweet the other day, dude I know it's 2023 that game still holds up. Oh, yes Wanted to be a brand new game this year and I believe it. It's oh, it's so good on switch easily Yeah I don't care about ps5 man. It would just be higher resolution. Give it to me. Um Anyways, also Again credit to my fiance. She started playing my ps5 and was playing the final fantasy 7 remake which I've never played final fantasy 7 in any form So secretly when she decided to fall asleep early the other day, I came down I took over and I've been playing it now for five hours this week And I am absolutely loving it now. I'm I never played the original so I'm not really sure how it compares but I'm Kind of liking it. I'm getting back into that scares me to get back into final. I don't know if this is like a bad take But probably like seven remake way more than the original That's not a bad take. It's just people want to argue due to like elitism when it comes to the original, right? And uh, no no Like both aged extremely well because like finalized 70 original was like way ahead of its time and uh when those who are playing Who's never played the original and then either play the remake first or play that first and then play the remake Uh, you will find out the differences are there, but I'm not gonna say anything Uh, but uh, like, you know, a lot of people compare those two games. It's like share one's remake one's the original but like the way they play fundamentally are two Very different games. Sure. They both run off the atb system, right? But the way remake plays You know, I like they hit gold with that battle system And I feel like that was just like how I play finalized 70 back in the day was like, yo This game was ahead of its time and I'm playing finalized 70 remake And with remake I'm like, yo, this game's ahead of its time Like there are so many games that try to like do All the type all the different type of things that remake does well Like on their own a remake does all that stuff Like it's insanely well. It's like it's it's mind-boggling how much remake gets right, but then I can't say how people like, oh, I don't like this game because blank be blank But we're not gonna get into that because that's spoilers for those who haven't, you know It's just not supposed it's just the structure of the game is just a bit off It's like you play the original and like you get all these cool characters And maybe you're expecting that and you don't get that, you know, you don't get red You don't get you you get you feel later in the dlc But if you play the original you don't get that and then you lose half of your cast for like large portions of the game Like if you like playing as barrett, dude, he's not there for like 60% of the game Yeah, I'm playing as barrett. Oh my god. Yeah, because it gives a gun and it's a cool gunny Like you're just lighting people up. It's like, well, he's gone for like literally and I'm not I'm not capping here It's like 50% of the game. He's just not there So that's the problems and like some of like the loading screens and some of just the stuff It's like not as open. It seems a little bit more closed off at times like that But what you said h.m.k not to go off on a tangent with final fantasy, but no ff7 remake is awesome And it looks like the second one Rebirth is what it is going to fix a lot of the things. So yeah, I'm excited the original I still want to see the original remade though remade Modern like modern. It doesn't have to be as crazy as ff7 HD 2d Just no not HD 2d just remade and like nice graphics like even like final fantasy 13 level graphics Yeah, just remake it and put it out on all the systems. I think that'd do fine I don't know about entirely like that But I mean ever crisis is being made and that's like in the avenue of what you're asking for ever crisis But please on consoles. How about that? Yeah, yeah ever crisis on consoles or just give me the Typical final fantasy battle system like turn-based. I think they're sleeping on turn-based final fantasy in my opinion I think they're sleeping on it considering how octopath does and stuff like that. But yeah Nate permission to go on a tangent Oh my god, you know what you've been wanting to since this thing started having you go for it Well, that's inherently where I'm when I'm talking this tangents are gonna happen But we're just talking about final fantasy and since we're talking about final fantasy I'm thinking about xeno blade. It's like the nintendo's kind of like version of final fantasy, right? And I'm like thinking man It's just amazing how many great like final fantasy products are coming out right now Like we have the new one. We have the remakes. We have the crisis score Like there's so much good final fantasy stuff happening What does xenoblade got to that point someday? It probably won't but like what if it did like I'll cool with that No, it will never get to it. We'll never get to that point because it's not as big Yes As final fantasy. Um, so it's never gonna be they're never gonna like spam it, you know what I'm saying like they spam final fantasy In a way and it's just xenoblade's not That and I don't know if monosoc will ever want to make it that either. That's another thing too So well something I'll throw out. It's like for example, look at xenoblade x Right, I feel like that's almost like an attempt to branch off But we haven't seen them continue that storyline yet But like the gameplay is a little different because that's open world Then the the numbered ones are more linear more focused on story like, you know in theory we could see both Like become like their own dedicated series where there's recurring releases And don't get me started. I mean, I don't think it would be called xenoblade, but like there's The speculation that the new ip like if that has like online components Like what if like they go in like a slightly mmo direction? That's me purely like dreaming speculating, right? But let's say 10 years down the line They start experimenting that direction and that's kind of like maybe nintendo's equivalent to the final fantasy mmo like that I don't think they'll ever get as big as final fantasy. Like that's obviously like A pipe dream xenoblade is way more niche But you know, what if it just gets to a point where They do branch off a little bit and it is to a point where we're seeing like some kind of xenoblade see xenoblade gain almost every year Yeah, I don't know if I I don't know if we need that I think that's what makes xenoblade xenoblade because they they take the time to weave the narratives I mean if you start spamming them or if you start making it like every other year It's going to get sloppy or it's going to get like ease You know what i'm saying nothing wrong with ease But it's going to get to that type of quality Well, you're just going to have to throw a story out there throw something out there and great gameplay But not necessarily all like the hmk fifth dimension Lore theories it's going to get to the point to where it's it's just not Good. Yeah, like I love xenoblade three, but i'm okay waiting four or five years for xenoblade four Like that's why i'm right now. Do that dlc? That's this year. Yeah, that's this year. I think I know what the dlc is going to be but once again those spoilers But I think I know what it's going to be i'm just i'm going to stop tangenting because we could talk about that All right All right, well, I guess then we'll hop into our first topic here Uh, something that i've kind of brought up this week. I think I saw uh players and talked about it a bit in a video as well Um, we're on a live stream one of the two I camera which it was it was on in the background for me Uh about tears of the kingdom kind of being I don't I don't know if it's just because we don't know anything But it seems to be sort of getting slammed or like breath of the wild combined in the tears of the kingdom Really since the release day it wasn't out seems to be slammed in in the podcast notes because the public can't see it There's what I got like six different articles from all these websites like games radar game rat metro screen Ran the gamer tom's guide and all of them bringing up like all these different points They make them like concerned about tears of the kingdom like tom's guys all like concerned because hey This game is going to be on switch it might not be on new hardware and because of that It's going to suffer and be a like a bad experience Like another like the gamer saying oh, hey, uh horses is bad in breath of the wild What you're going to be bad in tears of the kingdom because there's a limit on how far away I can call my horse back to me That's actual Obviously they didn't find the ancient horse gear What is that um, let me see there was also uh On metro they were talking about how they are scared that tears of the kingdom is going to have performance issues Because of scarlet and violet which I okay, that's a thing. I guess we're going to compare those two development teams like they're the same thing um Then there was game rant talking about fearing of reducing zelda to a damsel in distress going back down that rabbit hole and then uh, obviously Yeah, it's a rabbit hole and have another another article basically talking about how climbing sucks in breath of the wild Because of stamina and because climbing back in tears of the kingdom. They're really angry about it Which is so many thoughts So I can find there's probably more out there. I'm just I don't care to really look up anymore because I don't know what's happening and it's coming from like all these mainstream outlets. I don't Negativity gets you clicks exactly because like that's probably what it is Yeah, I've seen all these articles like in real time before you brought up for this the screen But this like I've been following zelda for like a lot of people really don't know how like how old I actually am But I've been following zelda like as long as I can remember And the thing is like this all this always happens right before the game a game releases every time Ocarina of Time Majora's Mask Wind Waker Uh, I live between worlds, bro When I live between those roles, it's about to come out people were like dogging all right I don't want to say people I want to say like big outlets or doggone is like it's not going to be as good as long to The past why risen to the past keep it timeless. They shouldn't really touch the formula blah blah blah all this stuff So it's just like it's clockwork where you know Like like everyone here is saying it's just you know negative. Never duty gets clicks and whatnot but in the The avenue wouldn't like if I were to choose one specifically because you know I want to give everyone else a chance to talk and I have to Choose one specifically when it comes to tears of the kingdom could ruin what breath made breath the wasp special Exploring the same Hyrule and being non impressive and boring. There are you know, it's it's so funny How people really don't talk about how there's been a multitude of sequels in the past that has had Relatively the same world explored in a in a sequel and then of course they add changes They either expand it to make it infinitely bigger or better or whatnot people don't talk about the good times there They just want to focus on the negatives like oh man, like oh my goodness when they finally outright confirmed When breath when it was called breath of the wall to when we were calling breath of the wall to for tears of the kingdom When there are same things like oh, we're going back to the same overworld pass It's going to be boring the same one the same one I'm like it's the same world But it's not going to be one to one the same as we saw from the latest trailer Where they officially announced the name and from the box side you look down on the world Hyrule that place is torn up You know, we have Hyrule castle floating in the air. We have malice literally pouring out of death mountain We have this big tornado happening over in the Hebrew region There is stuff happening to this world that is supposedly familiar And then we have to deal with the sky area and the supposed underground and the beyond which I I don't know what hinted at when they delayed the game and whatnot So it's not going to be one to one You're sure this could be some familiarity which I feel is good because it gives you like a starting point which like hey Let me go explore this. Let me go explore that nobody complained about this in god of war ragnarok Right and that was the same world obviously it was changed because you know thimble winter happened Right, but it's the same world when we go to the same places But it was changed and adapted to show how the world came from point a to point b in a sequel Because that's what sequels usually do no one complained about this when we went from jack 2 to jack 3 When we had the city and the desert on top of all that so when people say all this kind of stuff I don't know what they're talking about really I'm sorry There were real quick before you go on there. There were i'll let somebody else go um There were some people that were trying to claim dl like god of war dlc pack I saw those people and then they would get flamed they would get they would get flamed and be Like you guys are morons like right thing so I almost had to come back to me Should have known better Um, is that not a good word? No, you're fine. Oh, you're fine. You're fine. Don't worry. It's not on youtube's banblest. We're all right I'm about to switch about the switch stop being powerful enough to Oh Anyway Can I remind her? I'm not reminding the crew the the the seven pack reminding everybody out there This the breath of the wild Was built for the wii u Okay, breath of the wild was built for the wii u. Let me go let me go here I'm gonna go all apple on you guys. Okay, because this is how I know how to talk I had to break it down. I can't talk to you in in in circuits and boards listen We have developers who know how how to put square circles In circle pegs They know how to make things fit into things they develop for specific hardware Just like when you when we have we have an an iphone You know, we have ios which is developed specifically for the iphone and for that alone and that's why it runs well We have developers who run Who who who know how to develop? I'm this is not all developers There are a lot of people out there who who i'm not sure the trend the trend is trying to make it fit But they can't And they do all this, you know stuff, but you could just say game freak. It's okay Exactly, I mean there's a square peg. There's a square hole I'm gonna poke him up fit fit, you know, no, that's how it's gonna work You have to make it work Develop for the specific hardware and you'll get the best best out of that hardware Breath of the wild two tears of the kingdom This is the second installment using the same engine using the same exact world that was developed for the we you Just adding more things to it and enhancing the world, you know, we have a sky now We might have an underground. We have caves. We might have uh the dungeons We have, you know, all all that it's just elements added to it using the same exact engine They're they're they're not rewriting the story. They're not rewriting the book. They're they're not remaking the wheel. They're just Basically expanding the game giving us a brand new game developed for the nintendo switch. Yeah, can it run better on better hardware? Of course, you know, there's there's more everything can yeah everything can But you can't say that tears of the kingdom cannot run on the switch It's just like the hardware limitation thing Is is a joke just because if you are a good developer, you know, you know How to exactly develop for that specific hardware, you know, I'm not going to make a game for ps5 That belongs in the phone, you know, I mean and and and expect it to run the same way I'm going to think about the phone. I'm going to think about how the phone can handle it And I'm going to develop a specifically for that piece of hardware so thinking you know these these articles where we have to kind of Is the switch powerful enough to do this? Yes, if you develop for the switch, it is Is is is the gamecube powerful enough to develop this Yes, if you develop a game for the gamecube Yes, it is, you know, you have to know how to develop for a specific console in order for To take and to maximize the best of that console. I'm not gonna say anything else because I'm losing my breath here and I'm gonna die soon and I just want to play devil's advocate because I believe you I'm on your side, but just to kind of like cover different angles, right? so There I remember a conversation When bayonetta 3 came out. I I guess it's just it's really just speculation. We don't actually know the answer Um, but but bayonetta 3 came out. There's there's reported performance issues, right? People speculated that it might have something to do with the fact that maybe when they're making bayonetta 3 They were hoping that would run on better hardware So maybe with this with the conversation that maybe tears of the kingdom would have come out with a switch 2 or what have you maybe some people are worried that Nintendo has another version of tears of the kingdom that they sort of made for switch 2 And that's where the optimizations are more focused on And with the base switch version, it's not going to run or look better I don't believe that but I know it's kind of like a conversation point that some people will bring up Like do you guys think there's any legitimacy to to that idea that Nintendo might have made a better version And because of that the switch version just isn't going to look or run as well as it should Breath of the Wild looks amazing. It looks beautiful. It's a stunning game. Like on the switch It's a stunning game and it was made for the Wii U So if if nintendo we nobody knows whether nintendo speaking up on your hardware or not, you know It's speculated. We might see it. We might not I know it's You know this year or next year, but if they are making a They are developing for for first thing the game is being developed for the switch. That's how it's been announced So that's where the the We we focus on the switch It can handle it because it's being developed for that now when it comes out on the next gen console or whatever it comes out I I doubt we're gonna see a lot of difference, but higher resolutions You know, I mean higher framerate for for a 60 fps mode Yeah, you know in that in that kind of point I don't think we're gonna see a lot of ray tracing and a whole bunch of other Stuff that you do like enamelation, you know, I think I think what we're gonna see a a bump in resolution frame rates Okay, you know, that's what what we're gonna probably end up seeing because I don't see nintendo making a more powerful console than the ps4 Yeah, maybe a little Kind of there and now it'll be more powerful than the ps4. Yeah, you know, it'll be more powerful Yeah, technology wise it's ancient and it's not hard to make something with modern technology That's better than the ps4 right now. So that that's what I'm down to I'm thinking more like maybe the pro PS4 pro PS4 pro once again, it's it's Yeah, I don't know if you guys have talked with mbg, but mbg always talks about this in terms of like Terraflops and power that stuff doesn't matter in today's day anymore. That's why you can have like xbox series We have the most powerful console. What was a bunch of games on ps5 that looked better You know what I'm saying like it's based on what mike odyssey was saying It's based on how the developers developed for that system and what they maximize for that system There's a reason why certain games like on gamecube that can look incredible Compared to what they were on ps2 or what they were on xbox or whatever the case is It's based on how the developers actually make board So whatever terraflops or power or whatever the case is It's just going to matter how they develop on that and what architecture and what system and like you know Like what they do with it Obviously raw power numbers and what you can do computing is all very important But it's not the be all end all when it comes to making a game look beautiful Look good or run good or whatever the case is so like the whole power Numbers things. I don't really think that's going to matter especially when you have stuff like dlss You know the other type of technologies that come in and just simulate things That stuff doesn't that's not going to matter I think what's really going to matter for nintendo Obviously is the capability for developers to ease of porting and use like stuff like that memory bandwidth things like that are Going to be very important Ram amount stuff like that so they don't run out of resources while they're porting or developing their games more so than We hit this number for raw power ps4 probably that's not what they're going to be looking at With modern technology at least based off of what nvg has told me You know he's a switch developer based off of what some other developers have stated as well with it So I don't think they're really worried about that to answer your question when it comes to like actual like Do they start developing like mike says it was based on the switch they started it on the switch There was no next generation system, you know They started this was dlc for breadth of the wall. Yeah started out as dlc So they started on the switch and then they evolved it almost like mario galaxy one to two But they went way further because that was a two and a half year away compared to now. This is a six Tell me about where easy and develop the game of all time. This is this is evolved into a whole new thing I think if the we was more capable it probably would have just been a dlc Like I wanted it would have just been an expansion for mario galaxy if it was but it can do that right We had to download whole channels just to get a patch for a game like whenever there was like a game breaking Oh, man The skyward sword channel That's what other m Oh Skyward sword mentioned other m and I think twilight princess even had a game breaking bug, but I think you had to say Yeah, so like this system just wasn't set up for that So I think going forward nintendo is going to have to figure out those things with resources putting enough stuff in there Like, you know, what was it? I think capcom said like yo like we need like more ram in here, right? And then it was like, all right, we'll double it So stuff like that is going to be very important to to make the system feel more adequate and modern in today's day They're not going to get a system. Obviously. That's going to be ps5. Like that's not happening in a hybrid. No but the modern Development tools and stuff like that is and resource memory bandwidth, you know, it's going to be very big Hopefully they really take care of that and listen to what developers have to say, you know Yeah, I feel like something else that people don't think about as often now because nintendo is Consistently been using less powerful hardware compared to the competition Is it like when it comes to like the EPD like nintendo games like the zealous the mario is like when they come out with those mainline games What they do with the hard work is kind of insane And we don't see it. I mean, I think it looks amazing, right? But maybe sometimes we don't think it looks as amazing now because you have, you know You have your ps5 and such that are have much more horsepower, but Like the zelda team knows How to push the system like they're going to whatever is possible for switch They're gonna they're gonna do everything they can it's it's like It's gonna be one of if not like the best looking Most impressive games on switch. So whatever that is that's gonna be a lot significantly better than than breath of the wild You know, it's it's crazy like all the talk I have about how tears of the kingdom is going to like, you know Above and beyond of everything or breath of the wild utilizing the switches capabilities to the maximum and whatnot I just find it Like, you know, we're still talking about tears of the kingdom. I don't want to veer off. It's just that yeah in my head I'm like, yes. Yes as as a zelda fan at first. I'm like, yes. Yes. Yes And then all the articles and all the articles and speculation come in I was saying that like oh tears of the kingdom might be the swan song for the switch I'm like, yeah, yeah push it to the maximum I'm like, but wait a minute. I like are we forgetting something? Oh, wait, what where's prime four? What's gonna happen to prime four? I'm like, whatever tears of the kingdom, man. I'm like Honestly, I'm so excited for the game and I really do like agree with everyone saying like, you know Utilizing the switches capabilities to the maximum like I don't believe the game was developed In mind for a switch pro or switch two or anything like that It was developed starting on switch to run on switch and everything we've seen From you know, the trailers or whatnot and what nintendo has decided to put out even though it's still very little The game looks as impressive as up as ever and after a couple of patches because I mean like when brother wall first came out It was rough in some areas not overall, but in some areas like Well, I know I know everyone here when they first entered the core of forest like oh my look I'm pretty sure I saw smoke coming out of my switch But um after like a patch or two it was like, okay, it's running fine It's running fine like in a trial and error this game was developed for the Wii U first And then they put it on to the switch now that's uh Tuesday the kingdom is being developed for switch In mind I feel like a lot of things are going to be a lot more impressive and I I feel like a whole Like I idea to look at you know is with age of calamity like sure It was done by a different development team nintendo was supervising and whatnot But age of calamity in terms of its cut scenes and in terms of its like color correction and whatnot because Like I don't know if you guys notice this and I do this a lot when I make videos on breath of the wall How breath of the wall has this weird Like I Like I can't I'm sorry. It looks kind of washed out at times No, that's way too nice. I like I'm sorry nape. I'm like it We call it the piss filter And it just it that's what it looks like right and then sometimes I take footage Like oh And a lot of times where like if the sun is not setting when it's like raining Or if you're in an area it just has this like really weird yellow or green muted like tone to it, right? And then when I go into color correction when I'm like editing videos of it Like I just like mess around the color correction I'm like this looks so much better if they just went with this and in age of calamity When you compare parts that you see in breath of the wall Two parts that you see in age of calamity the color correction is actually a lot better in which like, you know They got rid of that filter the contrast has been like updated and whatnot So like the the the graphical styling and the graphical, you know I would say how they tackle that in terms of cutscenes in age of calamity looks so spot on and I'm like Oh, they're going in the right direction I feel like they're going to keep doing that for tears of the kingdom in terms of how they Convey the game's atmosphere in terms of you know, how they present it I don't know about like, you know gameplay or whatnot But I believe like I have faith in it don't after how I played breath of the wall I have faith they're going to utilize switch to the maximum in terms of gameplay We might get a stutter here and there and it's definitely not going to go to 60 frames per second As long as it's running like mostly stable 30 I'm good considering how big the world is and running all in real time I know what we don't know for sure but when the few shots of looking down It kind of looks like they got rid of the lost woods, which maybe I don't know if that was why because it was still a problem area because it still is technically But who knows Burned it to the ground Yeah, I feel like that like fogginess that we see was just purely just to collect kind of like hide like, you know Pop in and things like that and they'll probably optimize it better and hopefully Figure out the color because I do agree There's there's parts of breath of the water look a little washed out And when I think back back on it I always feel like breath of that looks worse than actually is then I go and play like oh It's actually still looks pretty good, but there's there is definitely room for improvement It's like you know like games like can I come out late in the console's life? So like always run and look better than games that come out early in a console's life cycle That's just that happens every console generation Um, it just is a fact because developers just get better at optimizing things, right? That's that's really just like what it comes down to sum up almost what everything Everything everyone's saying and even it even if in the hypothetical World where they were developing this game for like a switch pro or something that doesn't exist Our creative time was developed for the n64 dd initially And then you know they had to scale things back and scale things back because then once they realized what they were Actually developing for the just the base n64. They were able to reel in their ambitions And realistically outline what they could and couldn't have run in that game And then it turned out to be one of the best games ever made of all time. So, you know Just we just have to have a little faith in the Zelda team here. No, I have faith Uh, I I keep realizing we're not on a discord call. So I'm just gonna send this like directly to Nintendo prime when it comes to like the comparisons as I'm trying to convey You don't have to show us on stream, but I just like this is what I mean, and then he's like, oh Oh, yeah, no, um, I I know like, um But the wild we've all said, you know designed for the the Wii U and things like that And I'm gonna kind of play a little bit of devil's eye bag it again here. Um I think we all wish it was designed and optimized for the switch originally just straight up from the get go and maybe I Haven't really fully read this article yet, but what I'm thinking is is maybe they're just kind of hoping that it would be designed and optimized for a Brand new system just so that it can absolutely let itself go and show how beautiful this thing can be I'm not saying that the switch couldn't handle it and make it even more beautiful than what it already is Because we all know it's more powerful than the Wii U and everything like that And it's gonna be more optimized and everything like that but to to have a new system And let it just open up and go Would be I think, you know, what we all kind of are, you know, somewhat hoped for Yeah, I mean look and All this negativity, I think stems from a few things one obviously all these are these places just one clicks I mean, there's nothing else to talk about with the game because we're all waiting for the blowout You know, it's four months away. I'm literally up with tomorrow We're four months from this thing being here and we still don't really know much So we're all just kind of waiting for that next director Trailer drop or whenever nintendo starts the marketing campaign probably sometime after engage comes out, but it's just They want the clicks and they also I've noticed this as a trend games that are super popular A handful of years later. It becomes like this trendy thing to Suddenly crap on them as if they weren't amazing The horseback riding was bad. What no one that was never a critical breath The horseback running to the climbing maca sure the rain that was a complaint the stamina of it. What? Uh, what are we talking about? No, you're you're absolutely right prime There's definitely if they're just it's kind of fishing like it seems forced like it's like listen I've been right. I know prime. You've been writing for a long time. We've all been reading the internet I'm writing we've all have businesses in one way or another. We all know how this works Okay, and they are fishing like I'm reading these articles and it feels like their their butts are clenched as they're writing this like trying to just Like literally just Yo, this is like legit like fishing because like they're in cringe Yeah, it's it's it's low-key currents. I see what they're doing like if you gotta play the game a little bit So I don't I don't have a problem with these articles and I get it It's like what was it game spot posting Metroid crime remasters coming soon like 50 times Is it are we like 60 days in a row now? I don't even know it's like every it's like we all know they're fishing They're looking look how revenue is down january's like It's down like they they're fishing and they're looking and they're looking so I get it and it brings clicks over But I think the the funniest thing with all of this is that I get it for somebody who wants like a more powerful system Like I completely get that hundred percent Um, but when the game comes out, none of that's really gonna matter Like I don't really think that's gonna matter people are just gonna be excited for the game They're still gonna be like the yeah, but like it would be great But at the end of the day like you don't get experiences like this really at all So it's not like there's like a million great games on ps5 and series x that have this type of experience So just it's like one of those things like you're just gonna take it in like then I don't I don't have a problem with any of these articles because I find them very funny Like the stamina thing is so silly. Just make a stamina potion like you weirdo like Just make a stamina potion drink it and there's no animation. We just drinks it Far away well, they kind of there's a solution in the game for that. Are you like also like the fact that can you imagine? They don't get stamina vessels It's worse. It's far away whistle. It's not gonna come. I mean, oh, I mean, yeah, this is realistic Same with climbing stamina. It's realistic. You can't just climb forever Guys, I actually rock climb in real life and it is hard guys Like it is hard the fact that link can climb with all that gear as as well as he does with his bare fingers It's basically super human What do you mean fingernails he's spider-man That just that stuff with with the stamina and all it was great. It was great for strategy I think it was it was awesome. Like I think really they're just like I said, they're fishing a bit and Really, they complained about like I guess like the rain a little bit But mainly they just didn't like the mechanics like with that they should just be able to climb forever But like at the end of the day, this stuff doesn't really Yeah, but the thing that sucks about it is that there are you can and I say this with breath while being Literally my favorite game. You can make genuine criticisms of it. I have. Oh, yeah Sure, absolutely. This just feels low effort Exactly read it and you're like you missed the point of climbing because had having a stamina Mechanic means that climbing is actually meaningful because you're in control Another game. I love horizon. For example, it's climbing is basically scripted. They're glorified staircases with really cool climbing animations But the game is itself You're not actually doing any of the climbing and there's no limitation other than here's the climbing place and here's not the climbing place And then this was weird disjointed. It's just stairs. Basically. Yeah, I agree with you cap. I agree. Yeah It's just so put in some effort, you know Like the menu like hey, maybe like a better quick menu like maybe like dungeons Like maybe like weapon breaking having a blacksmith like those are like Enemy variety. Yeah, enemy variety. We're seeing a bunch of low effort stable Yes, the enemy scaling. Yeah, it's just um, just enemies becoming more and more hit spongy You can make a genuine criticism of like more enemy variety and better enemy AI for harder enemies that that actually makes them more challenging Instead of just wasting five minutes Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up five minutes because I've been playing both Twilight Princess and Wind Waker, right? And I'm like, okay, I'll I should do hero mode because when I first played the hd versions I did hero mode, but I'm trying to play them a little bit quicker So I was like, hey, you know, I'm gonna forgo hero mode and I With Wind Waker, you can you can change it with in Twilight Princess. It's like you're locked in But you can use like the gandor for me to have the blue hearts But what I realized though is that I don't really think I like hero mode because kind of similar to like, um the The harder mode in Breath of the Wilds. It was um master mode master mode Yeah, I don't like master mode either. Like I like the platforms. I like those stuff, but like Just making them damage sponges to your point. Like that's not actually fun It's actually just kind of annoying if they had like better AI That would have been better. It would have required more thought And I mean, I think that's kind of the overall point with the whole stand meter too It makes you think about climbing as opposed to just running through Yeah, and actually to your point you're you said you're playing Twilight Princess So when you get to like a harder enemy in Twilight Princess like a dark nut, for example Those guys will kick your ass because they're going to block all your attacks and they're they're actually harder To fight because you have to be more strategic about how you approach the combat As opposed to just being a harder enemy because they have 10,080 hp instead of 700 hp. Yeah, or whatever it is Cap I I get I get your point, but like when you were saying that we're like, oh dark No, the harder enemy. I'm like there's no such thing as a hard enemy Okay, I mean that's that's just uh The first thing that came to mind Not even not even not even not even I like like Obviously the game can't function without ending blow, but there is no such thing as a hard It's interesting though because when you look at the combat system for Twilight Princess There's a good combat system there. They just To back it up. Thank you Oh, thank you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no like every time you guys bring that bring up Twilight Princess now like I I you activated me. I'm sorry Every time people bring up Twilight Princess every time you all were talking about Twilight Princess I'm like listen don't get me wrong. I love the game. I do I really really do when people say it's the best It's my favorite. I'm like, bro I don't even put Twilight Princess in my top five right and the one thing that's keeping there All right, there's two big things that keeping Twilight Princess from my top five selling games And I love the game don't get me wrong amazing story some some of the best music also some of the worst music, right great design I'll bring up some tracks Great design like I said amazing story amazing characterization Minna's hands down the best companion in all of Zelda, right? but the thing is one the overworld is The overall is Baron is Baron like the the the biggest Zelda before Breath of the Wild Baron overworld that's one to the game is excruciate excrucianly in the easy in which you're gonna bring up this whole Awesome fleshed out and that's another point another plus for Twilight Princess an amazing fleshed out combat system You have one of the most if not the most fleshed out combat system Zelda's ever had and it will never ever ever see the light of Full utilization because of how painstakingly easy to games. All right, and that's the thing that Burns me so I just I hope they bring all those like those seven secret techniques into like tears of the kingdom Yes, but actually use it like yeah actually take advantage of it like oh this enemy is blocking to their head Okay, well, I guess we gotta do a helm splitter like that's what makes sense You know or oh they're like actually use those different techniques to find the openings That would be amazing one more thing I want to add to your point the bosses They are epic. I would say maybe the best bosses boss designs in the series But they're all puff pastries at heart. They are they are way too easy Remember this one article back when I used when remember video game magazines You guys remember when that happened like back in the day when you get ready to review through magazine and not the internet I remember I forgot I think it was gaming format I said it and I'm like that's such an amazing point where you go fight final Ganondorf You expect to fight Darth Maul and instead you get C3PO And I'm like that is so on point that is But I love the vibe of it. Yeah, no, I love I love I love that princess man It's just that when people like people say it's like the best and it can do no wrong and I'm like yo I I have a video that's like 15 minutes long about the problems of Twilight Princess But then I get flamed for because like my favorite like I'm not saying it's a bad game That's okay, I'm the one that does Ocarina of Time's not even in my top 10 Zelda games so You But you're wrong I'm kidding Anyways All right, let's get into our next topic here We got it's sort of a combined topic just because I don't know I guess the game for someone similar at least in how their combat works a little bit, okay? They're not the same games guys. We got fire element gauge obviously coming up next week We're getting to a little bit of how excited we are and then also I added this sort of as a side note because it was news that broke today So it wasn't originally part of the topic about sparks a hope under Performing and if we worry if that might have any possible impact on fire and women gauge movie underperforming for being a similar style game I know it's got a obviously a much more hardcore fan base And a different publisher and a different publisher. Yes, and Japanese people that are excited Yeah, yeah, I just want to know what was said about sparks Hope and this it was also kind of in general about Ubisoft because a number of their games on the poor But they've now canceled seven games in the last six months. Yep production So they're not doing well over there. They said this comes from Yeez. Gemat. I hope I pronounce his name correctly The current CEO he says despite excellent ratings and players reception as well as an ambitious marketing plan We were surprised by Mario plus rabbit sparks a hope underperformance in its final weeks of 2022 and early January just dance 2023 under performed as well. And then there was some blurb about how basically the future is live service Microtransaction filled games and They tried that actually no They're gonna learn the hard way man. They really thought you play was the wave and then we saw how that turned out But I do want to make one point on the on the Rayman thing not the Rayman thing All now Rayman thing when they say Raven rabbits like they're there have been people saying they're like, oh It underperformed due to Ubisoft's expectations or could I remember some they didn't release the numbers release the numbers you be soft But after saying this you guys man, we're never gonna see a Rayman game ever again Like it's over Rayman was the most we DLC for this game that they apparently rode so many eggs into this basket and that's coming out at the end of this year, I think and if they said Raven there's my rabbits underperformed, you know, we're never seen a real man game ever again Guys buy that Rayman DLC. It's Rayman's last If we see Rayman will be a much smaller probably like 2d type of side-scrolling thing or whatever But like to get Rayman run on mobile. Yeah to get to the point with a Rabbit so I've been looking I have a couple friends and distribution on this not full on But if you look at like the sales in terms of like Amazon best sellers It's right up there with the best selling games at the $40 price tag If you look at how it did like on the e-shop charts when it launched it did okay He said at the end of 2022 and then early January So obviously that $20 price shop they're not bringing in as much revenue so he didn't actually say like sales numbers I think you meant actually revenue generated Obviously, you're not making as much if you're shipping them and they're selling them for 40 You're not getting as many orders into the stores So I think that's where the issue is but I think that the big problem is that their expectations My man Nate also said this their expectations might have been a little high after a four five-year gap or development period I think they were thinking that this game was going to be like maybe a three four million unit seller in the First couple months and it's probably more like a one point one point five million sellers somewhere in that range I had very most two million. Yeah, maybe two million seller, which is not bad and over the course Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, and it will sell but it's just not up to what they expect So I do expect Ubisoft to make the Capcom Adjustment which Capcom what they did is they they pretty much rival schools dark stalkers all that stuff is pretty much backburner or remastered category and then you just focus on two to three franchises Capcom It's resident evil and it's monster hunter Yeah, and street fighter every now and then DMC every now and then and then like everything else is remaster category battle network And all that so I expect them to just focus on Assassin's Creed Rainbow Six and Far Cry that's gonna be their main and then everything else is gonna be every now and then or Remastered and that's fine Capcom did it and look at how Capcom is right now people. Yeah, we still want to Right and then like I get that business strategy and then a lot of people reading to understand this whole This this whole like idea where like, you know video game companies. They're not your friend, right? They're looking for the bomb dar they're looking to keep the companies in the blacker, right? But it doesn't like it and like the business side of me was like, okay I get it but in like the fan side means like yo you have a chokehold on all these amazing franchises and When they don't sell you're not gonna make them which like, you know, it sucks, but that's like, you know the thing That's why you know with Nintendo, you know, F zero. Where is it at Star Fox? Where's going for Star Fox on Wii U like okay people like yeah Wii U had a terrible install base But there's still franchise on the Wii U that still were able to like survive and whatnot And the reason why you probably don't see Star Fox zero on the switch would update controls is because that title Couldn't even crack two hundred thousand units. It went like a hundred fifty thousand uses and that's it Flops that's that's that's ungodly tight flops like and then it's crazy when people look into perspectives are like how OJ was saying With rabbits possibly, you know, 1.1 million years 1.5 million years There are series that beg for those numbers, right? But then like when certain companies like at this and I get it tomorrow rabbits those are two, you know Highly selling franchises. They're Mario's literally there and then rabbits at one point was like selling everywhere So I get where the expectation would come from inherently about the same time, you know One point like a million units. That's still like, you know Lifetime like that would be just a little bit worse than well like the first one the first one basically got like right at that 10 million mark, but that was over like five years. I don't know. Did they just expect 10 million players so they're they're fluffing the numbers a bit like because you can Yeah, you can play co-op so they added that as an extra player and also yeah, like you said the game was sold like at $7 for Like yeah That's the that's the crowd that really wanted it You might probably got about a mill out of that and then yeah You're just gonna get slow trickle of sales for the next couple of years because that's that's how this works Be happy that eight people considered a Nintendo game So they treat it like an evergreen title because most of Ubisoft titles don't get treated like that. So yeah I feel like Qual like it when a developer at least with Nintendo games like when they actually go the extra mile They're rewarded for it right like you look at Kirby the Forgotten Land best selling Kirby game game of all time What did they do? They finally went 3d they gave us what we wanted and it's now the best selling Kirby game of all time Like it's it's not that great. It's not that hard of a code to crack like there you go For it works for Kirby though, right, but then you take a look at Metroid Dread best like Metroid game ever because it was a Metroid game we wanted a Metroid game and I mean I don't even think Metroid Dread is like necessarily like a really expensive game to make right like it Was made by Mercury steam. It's a side scrolling game. Like it's not a huge huge game Like they could I'm sure they actually had they profited pretty well of that one Like I'm they could probably make another that sells two to two and a half million It's kind of like in that level of like the fire on Xenoblade series and it's not as big like that's that's a big win right, so I don't know I feel like We at least with like some franchises if If Nintendo or Nintendo partners with like a company and they actually Kind of do something cool like they give us like a cool concept in general those games are successful It's not like back on the Wii U or the game cue days were games just kind of flopped just because Yeah, you know, I don't know. I think we saw six mutations were just out of whack for this one But more to more to a point I think I'm just that up more to a point Eric you got the full screamer, right? More to a point. Let's get into Fire Emblem because obviously Starts hoping to talk more about that as the DLC comes closer to done and how it might be the swan song for Rayman I really hope that it's not the swan song for Rayman because Rayman's incredible and it feels like I mean What was the last one the one they made on Wii U that they've now poured it everywhere? Legends Yeah, yeah, so it's Man well, I miss Rayman. Yeah, I miss Rayman too. It was really good So getting over to Fire Emblem engage because it comes out next week How we feeling can we get the temperature on this because I don't know what you guys I was a little tepid maybe like a few months ago But they just keep showing more because it's in its midst of its marketing campaign It's being all their Twitter accounts all their social medias There's exclusive stuff happening in Japan that they haven't even talked about yet here yet that I'm sure they'll talk about you know Next week itself like that building up hype I think I saw OJ's video today like stuff that the animal stuff is really in depth way more in depth than I thought it was Yeah, yeah, I the the attitude surrounding this game is very very good very very good I'm someone that I've been covering Fire Emblem in depth since Awakening Back when that came out in a revitalized the franchise and this is probably This will probably be the best-selling one and Japan seems to be Really really excited for this one maybe a bit more than here in the use I think that here in the US or Europe I think three houses had a little bit more hype doesn't mean it's gonna sell better It just means that maybe people are a little bit more excited for it Just because of the main character designs compared to it But if you're looking at like pre-order numbers you're looking at like how people are going to buy the game right now It's blowing three houses out of the water in Japan for your orders. Just just destroy it It's already passed it up a while ago, and it's not it's just gaining on it I'm just putting more and more on it So that way it's going to obviously do better And I think that you're going to probably get a lot more of the classic Fire Emblem fans back in this one Because it's no longer multiple paths like they've been doing this multiple pathing since fates in 2015 2016 Now you have a singular path that is very much like an awakening very much like a path of radiance old-school games Radiant Dawn whatever the case is and now you also have like it's an anniversary game though It's almost seems like they're like, you know, we're just gonna make this game We kind of have it somewhere and then release it when they feel like it because it definitely is an anniversary game You have a bunch of these characters from previous ones but I think that's what gets people excited and probably the biggest new base for this game over three houses is gonna be the Fire Emblem heroes base that base seems to be very excited for this game because it is hey I can play as my favorite Ironman characters, but without the gotcha Mechanics without all of that I can just play so a lot of the Fire Emblem heroes fans are excited for this Even though you get nowhere near as many heroes as Fire Emblem heroes But you still get that aspect of having like that dual team up So like the atmosphere surrounding like Fire Emblem fans is very high for this game And it's getting people excited because it's not falling like the same motif as Fire Emblem houses Now there is an opposite side to that people who love three houses They're a little bit upset that they're not going all in on that But I think that those people are gonna buy the game anyway because the combat and gameplay is still very very very good So I think right now like I think people are like it's looking good as best like but those Japanese sales numbers It's number two on Amazon in Japan here in America. It's like number fourth or fifth best selling here on Amazon Here in the US. So I think right now It's gonna do extremely well Fire Emblem three houses four million units plus sold as if I think the end of 2021 or so so the game that's the best selling fire in the game by a large margin So this game has a lot to live up to but I think that overall it's just going to do better Just because of the install base and just because the install base and just because it's an anniversary game You're gonna have all these different characters. I mean, it just just looks cool. There's online, you know, it's it's got it's straightforward It's it's not, you know hard to get into it's gonna It's it's the UI and the interface and everything is much easier to kind of just jump in over three houses So I think this is exciting. It's very exciting for firemen fans, obviously Oh Jim kind of curious what you think on this Because I heard and maybe it's just something that I just a few reviewers said and it wasn't actually true But I heard that there's no like actual like partnering up in this one like the romance like the romance is gone Is that true? There's no there's no romance in terms of because you're like a thousand-year-old Dragon person so there's no So I mean there's no romance. There's still relationships So like you can still have support conversations and relationships and get benefits from that But there's no romance like you can in previous games in that way. So yeah Yeah, that doesn't bother me, but I'm just kind of like curious because like with awake Yeah, with awakening which is when the series kind of like came back to like relevance That isn't that when they introduced romance or there was no romance beforehand There was there was romance and genealogy of the holy war So you actually have you know your kids would be able to fight in the the second part of the game and everything So there's been everything that's in awakening has been done before in some way shape or form across firemen games All they did was take it all and then put it together. It was like yeah, this might be our last one So hey you guys know everything like I understand like I'm in agreement with you. I feel like engage It's set to be amazing like you're bringing in the heroes I feel like all most of the changes make it feel like a little bit more mainstream It's gonna appeal to like a little bit of a larger audience and I'm personally like really excited about it Like I I think I'm gonna fully love this game Maybe more than three houses we'll see but I guess I just bring up like the romance thing because I wonder like how much of a Hit is that gonna be is that gonna be really a hit at all or is it just gonna be kind of like a little blip? Like you'll see some conversation online, but it's really not gonna make a difference station Yeah, you'll see people be like I don't like that but then like but I'm still gonna play the game It's more like that because it was never a make or break and really any fire emblem game Like there's and there's a ton of fireman games that don't have that So if you're talking about some of the like what hardcore fans really love about fireman Let's say path of ratings It does not have the type of relationship options like you know fire emblem awakening has or even if you go to some of the Other ones know like guidance, you know or anything like that So there's there's still people that like that about it But at the end of the day It's really just like the romance stuff for most of the games It's kind of just like a filler thing and then what happens at the end like you get to I can be with this person And then at the end they have a happy life together like in three houses, whatever you pair people up together This game obviously is not doing that So I think people are gonna be some people that really like that are gonna be like oh man That's not in there, but there's other things, you know like there's other things that's in there So it's not a little bit of a blow. Yeah. Yeah, but it's it's also one That's to your point right like it's been saying that's kind of gone back and forth like just because there's no romance and engaged Doesn't mean we won't see romance come back again It's just kind of like the direction they picked for this particular one Yes, absolutely like it could come back and it probably will come back at some other fire emblem game They'll make it to where you can have kids again or something like that, you know We'll make it, you know, so they always do different things in terms of hooks or their gimmicks for fire emblem games So yeah, it'll come back. It's not like I don't think that this game is going to determine the future of fire I'm some people are trying to say that but it's not, you know They're gonna just do what they want to the future of fire emblem is always the combat That's what makes fire emblem fire emblem is people love the tactical combat people love the characters Those are like the two things that people love about fire and everything else They'll just complain about it like even like old-school fire emblem, right old-school firemen fans will complain all day about new school fire And then go buy it. You know what I'm saying? I feel called out here OJ because it's so true. My brother is like 100% You've called me out because I think I've always said like I think fire emblem is best as a turn-based tactical strategy game And not as a waifu simulator Yo my strategy I'm reading all these articles Are like this Yeah, like hey classic fire emblem fans are gonna like this game because it is sort of a return to form in many ways and And for me like as someone who's been I'm very like on and off. I loved it's classic I love the GBA games my favorite in the franchise is still Shadow Dragon the DS remake of the original game So my favorite fire emblem game because it's so freakin good But then like I don't know as the games progressed I just like fell very on it I've just been very touch and go with it because I just don't care about the support conversations that much or the Romance and stuff. I want to play strategy with my soldiers and have them stab each other Out of three houses like why why not because like you have all these different type of weapons So like you got like yeah, you know Mages and different weapons and archers in the classic games too, and it was never an issue. Yeah, that's true Yeah, I guess about the break mechanic Super excited about but it's I mean it's gonna be fine You know what I am excited about though that I didn't only heard about recently with the previous is that you can Actually explore the maps after you've beaten the level like that's cool I'm a stickler for exploration. So like at first I was thinking. Oh, okay. The Somnia looks a little smaller than the monastery There's gonna be a little bit less exploration, but it's fine. It's fire and that's more about strategy But then they're like no you actually can explore every single map in the game I'm like, oh, so there's actually more exploration in this game. That's kind of cool. That's cool. Yeah nice Man, I can't romance the emblem ring of Marth No, bye, you know, you know what your comment reminds me of there was somebody in the conversation for Nintendo's post And he's like he's like my horny ass can't have an emerald Yes, oh My goodness, you know, my brother's like yo, I used to love fire emblem and now as a waifu Wars, man Listen, listen, listen, I'm good either way I just love fire emblem because you know, I play fire emblem since back in the day and then like, you know As soon as I hit like Darcy a seven seven six. I'm like Okay, I think I'm done and the petherans came out. I'm like, okay, maybe I'm not done and then I played Awakening I'm like, all right. This is nice. I play fates. I'm like I love the characters of fates Yeah, I hate this game, but so um, I play three houses and I and I love three houses So I feel like, you know at this point Um, I understand where people saying like fire emblem needs to focus on what made fire and fire and that's the gameplay, right? the combat and Like I agree with that But you can't just focus on that for fire emblems longevity steak anymore So you have to have that along with a gimmick and if one gets taken out for exchanging for another I'm completely fine with that like I really did love the life simulation and the romancing in that was In three houses But if that goes in terms of bringing in, you know The emblem rings and then the pets and all that stuff of that. I'm like, okay I'm feeling that because I like for me at this point in time The combat alone does not cut it for me if you want to focus on that sure but give me something else to compensate not even compensate complement it and Um I'll be good with it from what I've been seeing what engaged It should be supplementary. It shouldn't be like the focal point of. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, that's my I do I do agree with that three houses were so Good, right and they're like trust me the combat was amazing and I love like, okay. All right tactical. Let's get it Let's do it. But then also like that being halved with the like. Oh, I'm a teacher Oh, like all right. Let's let's focus on this doing this day Let's let's do this and girk mock like all the life simulation stuff on top of all that was just so I loved that. I thought it was like the perfect storm in in um, Three houses like persona, you know, that's part of and I know you're exactly like persona You know, that's why I'm that's like that's why I became so enamored persona And everyone is asked me to say, hey, you play persona four five and three You're gonna play one and two doesn't have life simulation. No, probably not So, you know, we make those games and add it then we'll talk But your persona seems are great by the way With three houses is like it was just a perfect storm So as long as like something's complimenting and being supplemental to like the main combat I'm good to go and everything I've seen for three uh, if I'm engaged is really good. I love the art style I love how colorful it is. You know, it's it's very eye candy like right and I some people it turns off some people But for me, I I love it. All right, so I'm I'm person except for engage The animator or epic like just like A little more. Yeah, they look better. They look better than I than I've ever seen them before they're awesome. Um All right, uh, our next topic we got zelda movie and this is a rumor that came out of giant freaking robot They're sort of like, uh, they get some stuff, right? They get some stuff wrong It's pretty much like most major outlets that have talked about uh movie and and stuff rumors And I actually want to get mike odyssey's thoughts on this because he is a illumination movie guru fan over there Uh, especially when it comes to the mario movie And the rumor for those who don't know is that there's a zelda movie that's basically what they're probably I don't know making next or whatever and it's starting to get into into pre-production Uh for zelda to be made by illumination as an animated Movie so there's a lot of things you can talk about with this Obviously the true or not none of us know unless one of us has a source that knows. I don't have a source that knows Um, so obviously taking zelda in an animated direction Illumination the studio doing it which I don't know. What do you think mike? I think there's uh, there's uh, there's always two sides to it I think there's a plus side to it and then there's no there's the other Other more obvious side to it. The plus side is that if they do go the animation route Just like they go into a mario movie That means that that means that we can keep the universe connected together And then there might be later on something where The universe has come together. We can see mario directive zelda and link in a super smash brothers movie Of avengers type at the end. You know what I mean? Um, keep it at the end the ncu Um, and I'm I'm for it I mean as long as they do a good job when it comes to the animation the the voice acting not no No chris praffer link, please and you know just continue with with you know Start from a point because what they're doing now is they're presenting What they did with the mario movie is good because they're presenting mario to the to the main Audience right there people out there who don't know backstory mario. They just know mario jumping up and down hitting Blocks and coins and stuff like that, but they don't really care about the story What they're doing with mario is it they're doing a movie where Every element in the mario universe is is is there so that when people watch the movie They know mario has has his own mario cart You know, they know mario has been through levels and he needs to train whatever You know mario, there's a princess. There's toads. There's you know, there's a lot of elements there So when it comes to the illumination movie they go that route I hope they don't go that they don't go too comedic with it. They need they need to go a little more um, I don't know how to really go about an animated movie not being that comedic because the the the closest thing I could think about is is um Um, uh, the repulsive away from disney the one with the long hair. Yeah Tangled tangled. Yeah tangled and then um type that type of animation and kind of kind of story But um, I I I'm for it. I'm I'm if it's if it's true Elimination I like elimination that do a good job Um, they I feel like if they do remember Miyamoto is going to be behind it too So I feel like if mario movie If mario yeah, if mario movie is what is Becoming to be and it's even though there's just you know, little things people picked from it like the voice actor Um, the movie is actually going on and it's projected to be the best animated movie um sold Due to a video game Miyamoto's gonna be behind his baby too like when it comes to zelda And he's gonna make sure that that all pieces are all everything is in place They don't go to way too far. They don't go away to this big little me You know, um And I feel like they're gonna do a good job if it's true, you know, the the bad side of it is that we don't get to get Uh Or maybe we might because who's who's to say we don't get an animated movie And we also get a live action on the sides. I'll just a big franchise and I think it's They can expand on it Netflix can be in charge of of giving us like a little anime live action series or netflix Uh, you know, uh, and then have the animated form for the younger audience, right? Um, but um I'm just for it. I I'm just for it. I all I know is that I made a little video literally voiceover Shocking and coughing and all of a sudden it gets 30 000 views for for the legend of zelda And it and it it means that there's there's a lot of demand for it. There people want to see They're intrigued on what a legend of zelda animated movie could be and I Don't trust illumination by itself. I trust illumination because they're working with Miyamoto, you know, and I don't think Miyamoto's gonna just Let his creation go and let them do whatever they want, you know But yeah, I mean I think it's I think it's I think it's it's a good thing I think it's a good thing for the for the franchise. I think it's gonna it's gonna present zelda and the Hyrule to the mainstream audience, which is something we want to boost games and it's gonna boost uh, nintendo We might see the Hyrule kingdom in a super nintendo world. You know what I mean? Oh man Pokemon right? Yeah, I mean right next to pokemon. I mean, I think that's the plan I think nintendo nintendo wants to become Sort of like a disney thing if they have all the elements they have all the characters They have all the ip's they can they continue to build on top of they start with the movies, right? They get all these movies out there. They got mario. They got zelda. They get donkey kong. They got It was exciting for me to see um, they're building to a nintendo world next to me right here Um, I live I live in Orlando and and going by there and just looking at the donkey kong built the construction site It's exciting seeing the tracks is they're putting the tracks for the for the local sir It's super exciting. So all of this stuff is very You know, it's part of it nintendo's just building up to something even greater I think they're just planning to get take over the world or something, you know Is the plan for the orlando opening to come with both mario and donkey kong at the same time? Yeah, yeah Yeah, because I think by the time if this one opens in 2025 by the time it opens, uh, um I think it's opening next month this next month in In hollywood in hollywood. They're gonna open up like next month. Yeah. Yeah next month. Uh, by the way, I'm going I'm going I got an invitation. I got an invitation Uh, for february 16 media day. So Be there. Nice. Um, big leagues like Some big leagues is just me grovel groveling for for some Yeah, so orlando's gonna open up in 2025. Yeah 2025 Um, yeah, I got a whole video because am I gonna I go out there with my drone It's just like look at all the Instruction site. It looks it looks awesome. Uh, I think universe is gonna be the big the biggest thing ever here. It's gonna be awesome. Uh, but, um Just gotta wait 15 years. Yeah 25 it's not bad. Not that bad. I just mean for like all the nintendo stuff. Oh, yeah Yeah, yeah, but that's the plan and universal is not dumb universal It is taking taking care of nintendo that they're they say, you know what we got you back We'll do this distribution for mario movie. That's what they're doing that universal distributing the movie too You know that they they're they're taking care of the theme parks And they're on board because they know that that in order for universals to defeat disney and all the characters They need nintendo They need all these ip's to build the pom-pom and then sooner or later Universal's gonna be this is gonna be nintendo Mario and universals is gonna be is gonna be mickey at disney is gonna be mario a universal You know, and I think that's where it's going right now. So, um, it starts with movies It's it starts with getting the word out there Getting these characters out there and I think it's a it's a good move It's it's really exciting prospect that nintendo could like elevate themselves Like I they have this master plan right using the mobile games Emergentizing with theme parks the movie that's all gonna like Create a larger fan base But like we're right now We're talking about if the switch can kind of maintain pace for a couple more years it might pass ds and ps2 maybe But what if like 10 15 years from now? We're talking about like nintendo selling like 300 million like systems per gen like So it's kind of crazy like how much they could potentially bro Yeah, because they have they own their own ip's they don't share them with anybody And they're gonna have the movies plus the theme parks Plus imagine how great this is gonna be for nintendo when it comes to sales You know they can just lay back and just as long as they have their ip's their ip's is gonna be them You know wherever mario is that that that console is gonna sell wherever the Zelda is that's that console is gonna sell well Um, I think that's their plan They're they are expanding to make sure that they their survival does not lie just on a major on a game or a console But you know There's they're expanding into the entertainment industry Yeah, I'm curious what you guys think sorry nate or did you need to move on? No, you're okay. Oh, yeah, so Like I agree that an illumination an illumination movie will probably make More money Or reach more viewers just because of people's expectations But I feel like what would be better Would be a studio jubilee style zelda movie like that would be A dream everybody would sell as much, but it would definitely be What the hell would you want that that that nino kuni looking at an animation? Nino kuni I really wanted to look like That's video jibbly, right? Those like bubbly bro. That's not bro. They have bubbly It's the studio jibbly, but I I would not do that for zelda. I would not do that for zelda Okay Because no jibbly does nino kuni is like art style. Okay. Yeah So you print this mononoke though Which is like way cooler looking I hey look man I just know them from I and I've seen some other stuff There was this girl in japanese class in college that let me borrow like a I forgot what movie it was and it looked like nino kuni And it also and it wasn't no, no Oh, okay, it's nino kuni. Looks like that. Yeah, whatever. It's the all the way around. What a hater What a hater no shots to nino kuni. It's good for what it does. It's good for what it does, but a zelda Yes, you want it to look like, you know, you want it to look something like castlevania You want it to look something like that? That's what you want zelda to look come on be real It's okay. Would you rather have it look like nino kuni? Or would you rather have to look like the castlevania series and the animation? I would take either two champs. Yeah, two champs can coexist Yeah, I'm asking you if those would be better than illuminations animation style to be honest I would take either of those over the illumination style I think the mario movie looks great for mario, but not for zelda And so yeah, I would take either of those absolutely any day over over that style I actually like the game a lot Wow Do you guys remember the um ridley reveal in smash back at e3 2018 Yeah CGI like what if like that's like what if there is a movie that looked kind of like that For metroid that has more of like a serious looking tone. Like that would be kind of groundbreaking wouldn't it? Listen, um, um, I I was talking to a couple of friends. I'm from full sale I went to other school and they do good animation right now They're what they're saying is that the future of animation is what the what spider-man into the into the multi Into the spider-verse. Yeah, that's the future animation They're mixing they're mixing two types of animation into one to create really cool action scenes and I feel like like if they if they if The legend of zelda could be good in that type of action scene as well When it comes to the two type of animation 3d and 2d animation And into the spider-verse kind of animation to it. So, um, I saw um A short film by illumination that has that type of animation with adults So it wasn't Despicable me kind of wise like like like, you know, we're very Jokey kind of kind was more like more more more grown-up kind of more vibes, you know like that So I feel like if they do go with breath of the The legend of zelda animated uh that and they go more the serious tone. They're gonna go that style That's the future of animation. That's where that's what's trending right when it comes to animated films Because look at look at the spider-verse how great it looks that type of uh draw hand drawn But then 3d look kind of another good example the um dragon ball super superhero. Yes, exactly. Yeah, they did it really good Yeah, so I it's hard When I think zelda movie animated or live action, but obviously in this case animated. I never think illumination it's just the most serious full film they've ever made was I mean maybe the war racks and Yeah, I had like a serious story, but that was a story that was you know It based on book series and stuff like that So it's kind of told for it because the story of the lorex is sort of a bit more of a serious story But even then like obviously it was Dr. Sue style and you got your comedic stuff in there family friendly appealing like what I think is zelda I don't think of like a family oriented sort of movie. It's more like a teen and up kind of edgy More like, you know adult style anime out there That's why I kind of feel like works for zelda. So it's like weird for me to be like It's not surprising that they would go with illumination because obviously there's They're they're like tied at the hip to illumination and universal. So I understand it But I just it just to me I was more excited with the old school netflix live action rumors Then I am this thing with illumination It's just right I've thought about not trusting Miyamoto or ajiya no mo wherever they want to fubi ashi Whoever they want to involve with the project. It's just The brux of the mario movie is still made by illumination and Miyamoto has heavily involved, but He didn't write the script. He didn't you know come up with the animation style. So I don't know Maybe maybe my concerns are nothing because it ends up not being a thing But if it is I just I it feels like I'm afraid they're going to take it too Goofy like excuse and Get into the whole kind of appeal. Yeah, because I mean like illumination can only go so far when it comes to like, you know action And violence and dismemberment Which is something that we see very often in zelda. So yeah, but then again, but then again, uh, it is uh Is some type of a fairy tale story. There's a princess involved There are kings. They're there. They're there are knights You know, there's a big bad. There's there's that there's a hero knight in there You know that yeah, but with those safe like with those safe animation Of movies you always see like oh sword fighting you were to parry the other person sword But when he has a clean shot, he knocks him out with his hilt and I'm like No Kill him. What are you doing? Like So when with illumination, we're never gonna get that we're they're never gonna go Pass that line. They're never gonna make to give us an already move. That's never gonna happen Not really in already the movie. We just like, you know, peter teen at the very least But then again, you have to understand that what the what they're trying to do here They're trying to To attend them the the masses not just right But they're trying to really create make zelda a mainstream Name and a mainstream franchise and not that there won't be other Other projects of the side that will appease us adults with with you know with our our need for for gore and the Slash and the hack But you know With I understand what they're trying to do with with with nintendo ip's They're trying to create a Like a bed on which they could actually just you know Build upon you know, I mean and then from there Maybe later on give us something different when it comes to different ip's Maybe this is not the only mario movie we're gonna get or the only adaptation of mario We're gonna get maybe we'll get another mario later on. What was that rumor doki con, right? Yeah Yeah, maybe danky can country Do we have a good comparison for like what we envision like a proper like animated all the movie to look like I brought up a princess mononoke. I love that. I princess mononoke Perfect comparison But I also think that uh A short like Six one hour episode miniseries would honestly be a better format for the kind of story or the kind of scope That zelda games or zelda stories tell like I just don't think a movie Is enough time unless it's gonna like really drag on as a movie and they're not gonna do that Yeah, they're not gonna they wouldn't do that. Yeah, so like I just think a series would honestly just be better Something like what disney plus is doing right now with all of their their sort of miniseries You've got the hawkeye and and an andor was really fantastic Something to that scope would would honestly be better because then you have the time to Like the mario world you jump into it and you're you're into it and it's very immersive But it the depth of what kind of story zelda needs to tell you need to flesh out They also do your villain a little better than then you would need to with bowser They could do like a trilogy that's like coming out back to back years like maybe they they created all in one production run And they do but maybe that's probably like a huge investment You just got me flashing back to the hobbit trilogy And go boy Hey, it's nowhere in the book is like this small rings, but I still enjoyed it Yeah, yeah, I mean I I just like I don't even really want it to be live action either Let me ask you a question though. I think oh, yeah, ask away All right So what if they did make a trilogy for zelda movies and they like critically they and like reception wise They're basically about as good as the hobbit trilogy. How would you feel? You'll like it more because it's zelda, but like in terms of like execution of story I'm fully ready to not like something even if it's zelda. We were just talking about five four zeros at the start I wanted to like it. I really did You know, I obviously have bias, but Yeah, I also don't think like Mike mentioned earlier about You know trying to make things mainstream. You don't have to make it family friendly to be Mainstream I mean look at some of the most mainstream ips we have That you probably wouldn't take a two-year-old or a three-year-old to like star wars as an example Plenty of death plenty of killing in that very much a teen and up series that is mega like massive huge Like mario and zelda don't have to appear appeal to the same audiences There are audiences that like mass of audiences that enjoy very different things And it always felt like to me that they did something with zelda That was their chance to grab that different audience like that that audience that wants the more mature Style stuff not have to go rated r. No one zelda's not rated our franchise. You wouldn't you know, this isn't doom Although that would be kind of awesome though But like what we're What we're saying prime is that you know, we would love that like 100 percent Is this that I don't think illumination has it in them to do that though? Yeah Yeah, and that's what I'm concerned me when I first saw this is I'm like No, we're gonna get a mario style zelda movie and I I just I it's not what I want I might my kids love it and other people that that's fine Well, like I kind of feel like we went down this road where they tried to make a really family-friendly zelda show at one point And that didn't go very well. Oh I'm gonna leave you all with this because I actually have to dip because like You know it would illumination and with an anime style zelda It would not even if like animation style if they were to appeal to like, you know a uh a more family-friendly thing With no blood. Let's just like take this into account. No blood. No dismemberment. None of that gory stuff, right link In a lot of the game uses a bear uses a bow and arrow, right? And of course like the easiest way to take on an enemy Is to get them between the eyes, right? No blood. No dismember it Illumination will never do that We'll never show link shooting a bow and arrow like even if it's not a human a skeleton anything like that They'll never show it in between the eyes. So that's why I'm leaving you all guys I would love to stay but I gotta be out but it's been super super fun Uh prime keep inviting me back. I hate that I have to keep dipping You know one of these days. I'm just gonna be like here. I'm I'm a I'm a time myself to the chair All right, but it's been really fun. All right. Take care everybody On that on that no I want to give you guys a movie from elimination that that uh has more serious close to it Even though it's it's it is a family-friendly movie. It's a family movie But it does has some some uh, I feel like the animation in that movie kind of resembles more of what something they could do um, and it's sing to From elimination So sing to from elimination. Um, it's not a a jokie More like comic it has its comedic parts But the majority of the movie has its serious tones when it comes to The situations that are happening within the movie. They're very bad situations. They're like, uh, you know, like, um, abandonment self-consciousness Things that people go to every day like, you know, I mean so sing to is a good. Um, it's a good Movie to see what they think it do. Don't picture the character as as their little character just look at the Movie and the type of work they could actually do when it comes to the world building because that also the world itself The how they they animate the world itself within there are some areas in that movie where they They go into into the wild and it looks like really it looks very nice You know, um, but it gives you an idea of um, and I'm not really Defending elimination just saying that they're they're talented. They're a talented company, you know um, and they can actually pull it off if If guided was it has to do with the director has to do with the screenplay Who's acting in the movie? Who what what's that? What kind of story we're telling? How are we presenting? It's it's a it's a whole bunch of factors Because I know it's easy easy to judge upon what we always we just know Let's think about me the the humor of the stuff But you're sure when it comes to to to you know, creating a film again, it's just there's there's so many Elements that go to it and and with zelda. I'm not sure they will go all the way out when it comes to comedic Uh, you know that that comedy style. I think they'll they'll they'll have Some adult tones to it, but at the same time Be friendly enough that kids could watch it as well I'll say this minions toads Koroks Y'all can talk about a movie way too long Like movies aren't that great to talk about But I'm just saying I'm just listening like I'm like, why are we still talking about a movie like that doesn't even exist right now Yeah I gotta admit movie movie is my uh, it's one of my fortes. So that's why I could talk about it like I can keep talking about it. It's one of my sleeping is one of my fortes It's not video game podcast As soon as I heard minutes, I'm like, oh my god, I'm out I have a quick one What happened? What if they kept it in like the style of a young link or two link? No, you know where they didn't go If you have if you have like a 2d hand-drawn style if like look at wind wakers like official artwork I love that very like beautiful for those bold outlines and the that's sort of like very Sort of what's the word? The color palettes that they use and just that that's sort of that 2d art style And it looks different in the game when it's all cell shade and stuff game looks fantastic as well But I love that that artwork that comes with wind waker and and even games like the minish cap If they want to do like 2d animations in that style I would be all for that honestly because it it has a very striking Visual style that is kind of unlike any other media. That's out there right now Like there's no there's no movies are to be sure that look like that You know, yeah, yeah, so I'd be I'd be here for it honestly if they if they decide to go that route Sure, um So we're reaching the end here. I just want to uh One thank everyone for being here uh for those that don't know everyone's channels and stuff are linked down in the description If you liked anyone here and you didn't know who they were you can go check out their other content Because we all do understand we'll go through the rigmarole here about talking about what we do in a moment I just have one last question for you guys When do you guys think we're getting golden eye something we actually have announced? It's supposed to be coming multiplayer exclusive here xbox has their thing. There was a rumor today about xbox Version dropping later this month. Maybe that's something that happens at that now announced xbox event Uh, but when do you guys see we're getting this golden eye game? It was supposed to come soon three months ago Don't don't let rgt hear me, but um nintendo direct It's coming into nintendo direct In february that's January That's what that's my pick Yeah, I think you're muted there daniel. Yep captain. You can't hear captain. Maybe that's a spiel That's my spiel everybody. No, sorry So it's like that thing where you know they're available now like or right after this direct like during the direct It goes live that sort of thing is what you mean. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they just drop it. Yeah. Yeah, like shell drop it What's our n64 n64 release for this month? I Nothing announced yet. I don't think yet Did we already get everything that they announced beyond golden eye? Because there was like three mario party games um I think mario party three hasn't hasn't gone down yet. All right, two or three two three maybe that maybe that comes first Yeah, I think that We'll we'll have it before the end of february like by the direct I I I have a hard time believing it won't be we won't hear about it by that point if not beforehand All right Yeah, I'll like look in my opinion if it's coming on xbox into the month like the rumor says and cool like Maybe they give it to switch at the same time xbox gets the first because the whole point of the switch version It's part of a service and as online multiplayer. So like that's You know why why we didn't get it. I don't know. I guess nintendo soon windows always like six months and not No, I know why it's because there's a switch hardware capability. We need more time Here we go switch to drop it in april anyways It's gonna be a long side of it You know golden eyes which too is just a great game to show off those graphics Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. All right. All right. All right. All right. I I think I think uh, we reached the end Um, all right, Mike, where can people find you at Bob? What do you do? Let the crowd know All right, we got Mike Odyssey at you too. We also have the topic podcast Are we ramping again with some new voice actors coming in this this this year's gonna be an exciting year? I think our first first um for the years gonna be with Charles Marinette coming in um, and then um We're looking to bringing um, I forgot her name That's gonna kill me the the the the actress who does the voice of sonic uh tails In a sonic the headshot movie. She she also does the movie in the in the games And so yeah the entire podcast going good starting over again Mike Odyssey on youtube And yeah a lot of stuff behind the scenes happening that i'm not gonna talk about anymore Okay, um I'm surprised you didn't drop a 20 minute Uh monologue like you have every week. Yeah, I'm not gonna believe anymore Player as a pretty guy going on where can people find you? Yeah, just for me right here on youtube uh player essence got cool videos But I've already made this week and more videos going up. Thanks for having me on Yeah, no problem. Lots of rpg stuff guys. You you love rpgs. He's like literally my source I don't even look up news anymore. I just watch your channel for rpg news RPG stuff and like action games like you've been to like bayonetta stuff like that action rpgs rpgs stuff That's that's what I like. So that's what I talk about a lot. So yeah, yep Uh Andress, where can they find you at bud? Hello? Um, you see my name if you search that you'll find me. I make videos about nintendo And they're coming out pretty much every day I'm also planning a Likely special stream on friday where i'm having a little bit of a debate discussion between win waker and twilight princess Which one's better? Well join the discussion friday night and we'll see hey, there's a there's a there's a channel update coming soon, right? Uh, yeah, there's a little bit of a channel update a little bit of a facelift that mike's been helping me out with He's so gracious. It's it's gonna look kind of nice. It's looking looking It's going to be like the best channel looking channel on youtube after ours All right, kappa rickson, where can they find you? What are you guys going on? Yeah, all of my socials everything is capped burgerson as in oh my gosh That's the captain of this boat, but it's actually a burger and it is my father and I uh, make videos, uh, particularly videos about zelda dungeons because that's really my um, my forte, I guess and uh I stream twice a week every wednesday at 10 a.m. Pacific time and every saturday night that's 7 p.m. Pacific Um, so yeah, a lot of lot of good zelda content coming especially tears of the kingdom on the horizon. So that's me Yeah, and you guys all know you could find eric more right here every wednesday on the nintendo prime podcast Most part as long as it's not at work as long as it's not working or traveling for work more likely Uh, you also can find about twitter at emo 87 90. He's sort of the cohort over here behind the scene so All right guys. Well, thank you so much to all of our guests coming out also by the way You gotta remember to shout hmk as well Again links to everyone's channels down in the description hmk does a lot of stuff on zelda and kingdom hearts and a bunch of Ransom he's got Streams going crazy over on twitch and they get really wild you guys think my streams get wild just go watch his They're insane and they're awesome and a lot of fun. So it's pretty much everyone here who livestreams. I really enjoy all of them um Especially when there's uh, some weird comments on twitter and then oj just goes off. I that that's that's a favor every week It's like a week talking about rgt versus sessler, which was fantastic I missed that one. I might wrestle mania 39 rgt versus sessler. Oh, that was that today or yesterday stream That was uh, yeah, I was yesterday. Yeah, I gotta say he dropped that video yesterday. I think It was this stuff gets fun, man All right, well, thanks everyone for being here you can get the audio version of our podcasts everywhere podcasts are heard It'll be up usually at 24 hours after the video version. Thank you guys for being here Thank you to everyone watching and we'll be back next week base