 Okay, welcome back to our second hour. We have two questions that that was put up. And I'll just address those two questions. One is one of the questions was to explain solving what what is solving so solving like we did mention is a is a high response that is it's it's when you are Side tracking the conversation of your counseling by moving to any kind of a solution that you're offering them. So either your advice or any kind of a problem solving That you offer interferes with your counsellors understanding and exploring their own thoughts and their own feelings that often can lead to certain solutions which addresses the situation that they are That they are in so using this kind of a response makes them feel that they Or makes them come to a place of understanding or gives them the message rather that they may not be able to figure this out on their own. Okay, and these responses are especially those responses Of giving solutions is appropriate only when the counsellor has finished struggling with the issue and needs help or when the counsellor counsellor has finished whatever he or she is wanted. So you You have to be careful in in when when you are suggesting even making suggestions should not come prematurely. So there are Instructions and suggestions that happened during counseling sessions, but it shouldn't come prematurely it shouldn't come before a time even Before they finished really understanding and exploring that for themselves. Okay, so that that is much later only after they have come to a place of exploration of whatever the situation is and whatever they feel about it. It's only after that that you That you know those instructional phases or you know coming to a place of suggestions comes only then. Okay, so problem solving doesn't happen at all in the initial Phase when before I mean it shouldn't be prematurely done. Otherwise, it's like this you're cutting off the wings of a butterfly when you try and pull them out of their You know their lava stage when you're helping them come out of that pupa you're actually debilitating them. So in the same way You allow for a complete expression of those thoughts and feelings before you come to a place of the problem solving those problem solving methods. Okay, the second question that I think was here is How does positive evaluation how can how does positive evaluation become a high-risk response saying you're absolutely right Require more clarity. So we were saying that when you evaluate either when you either evaluate positively or negatively you're changing the focus of that communication or that conversation by shifting it From what they think about it to the way that you you are seeing it. Okay, so as we said, you know those positive positive evaluations what what it does is you're making an evaluation for the other person You may be agreeing to something or disagreeing to something that they see and that isn't your role. Your role is to stand on a neutral ground for them to be able to Evaluate it themselves and your role is to see the pros and cons of that evaluation if they feel that like for example, let's say they're saying something like You know I had I have no money and so I had to steal. Alright, so now here you are you may not agree to this right or you may agree to it whatever but what you are helping them so when you agree to it It almost it becomes a high-risk response because there is a evaluation or a judgment that's been made may be on their favor. Okay, it is probably at their favor probably not in their favor but you have lost the Space to help them think about that challenge when you either agree or disagree because when you do agree it's my counselor agrees with this that what I did was right when you agree with it. Okay, or when you disagree with it. The point of you of saying is like let's say he says you know I had to steal bread and I mean I had to steal because I was hungry. Okay, says something like that. So your response is your response of disagreeing You know how the I don't agree with that philosophy. You may say something like that. Alright, that immediately sent that that brings about a judging. Let's talk about something that is more agreeable. They may say something like you know, I am a parent here I'm an authority so I I struck my child with the rod and that's what it is. So yeah, I agree, you know you should do that or something like that. So what you're doing there is you have got off the possibility for the counseling to really judge for themselves of their actions because you have given a sense of a verdict or sense of a of a judging there. And that that leaves them to not really think about something because maybe something is agreeable in your eyes. Okay, and agreeable to your your counseling but that's like I said that's not the role you have your role is to help them to evaluate things for themselves. So all you need to probably do is, you know, you feel you, you kind of feel right that you hit your son or that you hit your son with the rod. That's just reflecting that doesn't mean you're agreeing. You're just reflecting on maybe the content or you're saying, you know, you were so angry that you have to resort to something like that. Now when I'm making a statement like that it helps. The counseling think, yes, I was extremely angry and maybe that was a wrong thing to do. So you know, you've, you've probably got to, but when you do agree or when you do disagree, you have not giving them room to actually explore a bit further. And that's why that becomes a high risk response. I hope that's clear. Okay. Yes, yes. Thank you. All right. Okay. Yes, I will, I will share, share the material. Yes, I will do that. Okay. Now what I'm going to do is we're going to do a bit of an exercise. Okay. And I'm going to put you all in breakout rooms and in each breakout rooms that are 27 of you, you will, I'm trying to get three people in each breakout room. Okay. There may be some who may not, I think some of you cannot be put into a breakout room. I think because of some version of the Google Meet that you're using. So if you're staying back in the main room, don't worry. I'm there in the main room and we can, we can do a play, this thing ourselves. So what you're going to be doing is you're going to get into a breakout room with two other people. Now I want each of you to, no, I think the first, first we will just do it once. I would like one of you to be a counsellor, one of you to be a counsellor and the other to be an observer. Okay. And what we are just going to focus on is, please don't leave the meeting. Okay. This is learning. So my, my humble request is don't leave the meeting. If you were inadvertently left, it's okay, but please come back. All right. So what we're going to do is there's going to be a counsellor and there's going to be an observer. Okay. Your focus is only, remember your focus is not to help solve the problem that the counsellor is talking to you about. That is not the essence of this exercise. The essence of the exercise is only to, to work on the responding skills. Okay. So don't worry that I have not helped the person. I didn't solve their problem. I didn't understand their problem. Don't worry about any of it. Okay. Your, your task is only to come to a place of responding and learning how to respond, especially with feeling and responding with meaning. Okay. So these are the two, and of course you use the other three also acknowledging responses is acknowledging content and the last some summative reflecting, which is your reflect at the end. So each one of you, I'm going to give you 10 minutes to do this. Okay. And once you're done, I'd like the observer to take notes, okay, on how you saw the session going. Okay. So this is only in the midst of three of you. So please, in each group head right in. And one of you become the counsellor, one of you become the counsellor and the observer. Talk about something very, don't make it a very, very big things, you know, something, something that is that you're personally dealing with is also fine. Okay. The idea is to give responses. And that's what we are learning. Okay. Are we good with that? Yes, ma'am. Okay. All right. Thank you, Avni. All right. I'm just going to look at how many people are there. Okay. In some groups, you may have four people, but that's okay. You know, just two of you can be observers. All right. So I'm going to give you 10 minutes to do this. And let's see how this goes. Okay. So all the best. And we'll reconnect back in 10 minutes. You may need to accept, join or accept it. Okay. So please go ahead and accept that. There are some of you on this call who need to accept and go to your breakout room. So please do that. I think Prabhakar and Prezi have not, I can't assign you all for some reason. So I don't know why I'm not able to do that. Pastor, I'm just updating it. I think it's not updated on my software. So I'm just updating it. They are updating it. Okay. Okay. In some rooms that are just Isaac, Taisha, Salomi, could you all go to your rooms, please? Chaya, you can also go to your room. Susan's not there. Rose, you were not able to get into the room? Rose? Rose, you've been assigned to fourth room. Do we have this breakout room session? I'm with you here on the group. Okay. So I'll let work whoever is here. So both the Prabhakars are here. Rose, are you here? Okay. Isaac, are you in the call? Taisha, are you in the call? Okay. Doesn't look like it. So, okay. Prabhakars, both the Prabhakars? Yes, Pastor. I'll be the observer. One of you can be the councillor and the councillor. Go ahead. Y'all, I'm just going to mute myself and I'm going to listen to Y'all are going to take this over, okay? Yes, Pastor. Okay, Prabhakar, what do you want me? Prabhakar, Prabhakar Rao. Yes, Pastor. So in the main room, there is the other Prabhakar and you. So you can hang on in this room itself and we'll do it here itself. I'm the observer. This is the main room, Pastor? Yeah, this is the main room. You are not able to get into these rooms for some reason. Actually, I had updated the app but I didn't get any invitation or something. Okay. That means there's something else. So why don't you both of you go ahead and one of you be the councillor, the other be the councillor and I'll be here. Okay. And the two others are there like Rose and Taisha? No, I don't think they're here. They're probably not on the call or they're not able to speak. So you guys could go ahead. Okay, okay, Pastor. Yeah, go ahead. Okay, Pastor. Prabhakar, you take a part. Do you want to be a councillor or a councillor? You do the councillor part. I'll do the councillor part if it is okay. Yeah, fine, we'll try. Okay, it's just a try. Pastor is there so she will lead us. Yeah, we are in good hands. We have started with Pastor so we can't excuse now. Okay, so like what particular topic would you like to see? I'll create like a scenario for me. Okay. So I have a problem going through like I am going through a heavy workload like and I couldn't able to manage my work. So I'm a hard worker but I have a multitask assigned to me at the same time. And I think that I couldn't able to cope up with every task assigned to me but I want to manage to work and do it all. But somehow like due to health issues or kind of peer pressure I couldn't able to deliver out. So that's my problem. Okay, fine, fine. So Prabhakar, it seems like you are hard working and you want to achieve a lot of things. Yeah. And you seem you have too much in your plate, am I right? Yeah. Okay, so can you help me understand a little more like any particular thing that you feel it's too much? Is it because a lot of things in your plate or you want to focus? Are the things that you want to solve first? Do you have any plans? Like how can you come out? Yeah, like for example, like I am doing a job and I even have a calling for ministry. So I have to do ministry and I have a zeal to work hard for ministry. But at the same time, I have to take care of the family and responsibilities. So, you know, have particular time schedule assigned to me. I have to work. And but I'm not satisfied with the outcome. Like I'm not able to give my person the ministry as well as to the work. So I'm in dilemma and I'm not able to achieve it. So if I lose the job, I might be worried about my finances. And if I keep stuck into my work, I might be worried about my ministry. Yeah. Okay, yeah, it's good. You have a desire to work and battle you also thinking about to balance your personal life with the family as well. It's good. So, how do you think? Do you have a plan? I'm just gonna help you here. So he said something. He said that I'm in a dilemma when I, you know, one is when I'm at work, I'm afraid that ministry would go or when I'm at ministry, I'm afraid that my finances won't be enough. Okay. So he is mentioning something here. So what do you think he's probably feeling here? And he actually said it also. Yeah, like balancing like if like the time that he is, he could, he wanted to do the ministry as well and also take care of the family. What is he feeling? What's he feeling? What feeling are you getting? He's not able to do the full thing. Like I think he's feeling a little scared. I think financially he wanted to be sound so that he can do the ministry also and take care of the family. So he's like both have a desire for family and to do the will of God parallely, not to give up on anything. Right. So that is the desire, but there is a definite confusion. Do you see a confusion? Okay. Or he said a dilemma. He said a dilemma. Yeah, dilemma. He bought that up. Okay. How do you reflect that now? What you want to do is you want him to process this dilemma. Okay. So how would you help him to process that dilemma by responding to what he just said? Try again. Try again to go back to reflecting or responding to the feeling. Okay. Okay. Can I add some point to be further clarified? I mean, if it is so free bastard. Yeah, you can. You can go ahead. Yeah. See, my view is I want to be a financially independent because I don't want to take apart for ministry to take up for financial purposes. I want to see a God to save like people from saying that, you know, be a kingdom builder, not for the sake of finances, because I want to be financially sound and I want to be below the scale. So that is why actually, if I dedicate myself completely in the industry, and if I do this, then I'll be in more division. I'll be in a more state. So he has said that I don't, I don't worry about my family. And I miss you wholeheartedly at the same time. I, you know, want to be in a state where my resources financial resources keep coming. Maybe it in our job or in whatever. Can you respond to that, Rebecca? What Rebecca Rao said, can you respond to that? Yes, yes. Yes, yes. So I, so Prabhakar, I see that you want to do the ministry a genuine heart you have ministry. And while doing so, you also want to take care of the family. And you are looking into how you can manage both in terms of the time or running the family without, without, you know, burdening in one area. Like you don't want to anybody pointing out saying you doing ministry just for the sake of finance or for any outward expression. You have a desire that you get your applause from God. So is it your facing challenges, how to manage the time and the finance. True, true. Okay. That's good. That's good Prabhakar. You what you just did is you summed up, you did a summative reflecting of what Prabhakar was saying. That's good. So the next part of it would be to really, what is he feeling through this dilemma? Maybe, you know, we didn't have enough time to go there, but yeah, you did a good job. Okay, great. Good. Thank you. Okay, great. Okay, I think everybody is back. All right. So what I want to do is all the councillors, all who were the councillors. I want you to express or tell me what, what, how did you feel talking to your councillor, the way that they responded, the way that the skill they use. So be candid, okay, be honest and open because this is learning and this is nothing, no one is, you know, out to harm anybody here. It's just for learning. So all the councillors who were talking about the problem. I'd like you to tell me what you felt, whether you felt like sharing more or you felt like it was better and I don't want to talk anymore because you didn't feel a sense of welcome or a sense that they wanted to listen. So all the councillors, maybe one by one, I think we had five breakout rooms. All the councillors, yeah, if you could just raise your hands so that I know who is who. So if you could raise your hand. Okay. There was this one is Anita. There's Harrison. There's Shaya and Abhinash. And here we had Prabhakar Rao. Okay. And Salomi. Okay. So let's start. Anita, quickly, can you, can you share as to what you felt through the process? I felt like it was all explained in like a very small sentence. My problem is kind of being at the sentence a little like more smaller. Like I thought the problem is very small now. Like I'm only making it big. So when I'm saying from my point of view, it's a very huge problem. When the councillor paraphrases that to me, like it's kind of really very small. And I'm like, unnecessarily I'm making the issue out of it like that. Like that I felt. So did you feel that in a positive sense or in a sense that you are in a more negative sense? What sense did you see that? Not negative. I cannot say even positive also because it kind of just exists. Just like a small touch. Okay. So did you feel as if they, your councillor understood you? Yes. That they understood what you were feeling. They were empathizing with what you were feeling. But on a very short note. Okay. Very, very slightly you're saying. Okay. All right. Thank you, Anita. Good job, councillor, whoever that is. Okay. Abhinash, what did you feel? Yes. Thank you, ma'am. So actually, I just made a statement and expressed to the councillor that what I had actually what really had happened to me and that was really true to me. So as a councillor, I expressed to the councillor all of that. And as I was telling all of the scenario. I felt that I was opening up and I felt that I felt that I should talk more with him. So that's the point of view on my side. So you felt that they, your councillor understood what you were going through, what you were saying. Yeah. Pick up the question, pick up your feeling. You felt that. Okay. Good. Good job. Good job, councillor. Okay. Abhishek, what did, what did you experience through with your councillor? I express welcome, welcoming because I express my problem to her and she helped me to give solution, solution like he advised me like giving me to come out of this situation that I'm facing. So I feel, and I share more of it with the councillor, like more of the problem. So I express better, I feel very good. Okay. The councillor. So did the councillor understand what you were going through or did the councillor give you a solution right away? Yeah, he, she understand. Okay. So you felt that they, they knew what you were feeling and what you were, what you were experiencing. Okay. All right. Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you Abhishek. Thank you Abhishek's councillor too. Salomi, what did you feel with your councillor? At first I think she was a little bit confused. Okay. But then later on I think she understood and by the end she came here like a solution like an advice that I'll be fine about it. Okay. So she didn't respond to your feelings? She did. So that's why in the end I think she understood. So the first a little bit confused. She was confused. Okay. Okay. So the exercise was not to find the solution. The exercise was only to keep responding on the feeling. Okay. Anyway, thank you. Thank you Salomi. Thank you councillor. What was your experience with your councillor? Okay. I love the balance between him listening to me and also giving me feedback. Yes, you know, I love the fact that he paid attention to what I was saying that was very, very critical about his feedback and which also helped me to talk more. So, and when he now like, you know, gave me his feedback of what I have shared with him. I felt positive and that gave me a room to also open up to share more. So it was just a fantastic time. Yeah. Good. So that was the key so that you can open up a lot more because you feel welcomed by the councillor. Okay. Great job. Harrison's councillor. Okay. Chaiya, what did you, what did you experience? I felt helpful and I'm ready to see the next session because it was very helpful and positive councillor understood and our session was like good helpful for me. Okay. Yes. Okay. Good. Good. Prabhakar and Prabhakar. Prabhakar Rao. Yes. Yes, pastor. So brother Prabhakar was the councillor and he helped me to actually understand. I mean, he understood my problem and he tried to, you know, sum up all the problems which I, it was an elaborated problem actually. He tried to sum up conclusively and I feel that, you know, he tried to understand and so I would like to have more sessions with him and I will definitely, he is going to give me a, you know, clarified answer and he will give me good counselling. Okay. So I'm ready to be with that. Okay. What about all the observers? I'd like all the observers to raise their hands. The observers, sorry, the observers. Okay. There's Tarun. There's Isaac. There's Salome. There's Felix. Okay. So let's, let's check with the observers. Observers, your candid remarks. Okay. Candid. This is, remember, this is not to belittle anyone. This is just a learning task. Okay. So Isaac. Sorry. Tarun. Tarun, your first. Sorry. Tarun. What, what was your observation? Okay. I was working with Abhinash and yeah, we had actually two counsellors because the time was extended. The first 10 minutes, one counsellor was doing it and then we switched to another person because we were four. Okay. But it was a very interesting conversation. We found that the counsellor has done a very good job. They've done excellent listening, very active and responded in a very reflective manner. And they also explored the problem very well. Starting with the loss of a dog, they went into who gave the dog and then where the attachment came up. And also comforted the counsellor by assuring them that they did a good job loving the dog when it was being raised and in fact the counsellor also has done an excellent job in vividly describing the feelings. Like I feel the dog is missing. I know the place where it is sleeping and things like that. It was quite traumatic and both the counsellors have handled it very well. Wonderful. Great. Great. Thank you. Thank you Tarun. Yes, Isaac. What is your observation? The counsellor actually did a good job in responding to the counsellor and also feeling what the counsellor was feeling. But at the end of the day I saw from my own point of view that the counsellor was a little bit confused and there's no one to ask for help. So I mentioned that in the group that this is what I see and the counsellor accepted it a yes. So very confused and then doesn't know who asked for help. But it was a good time during the section. Good. Good. Good. Yeah, so don't worry. I mean this happens especially when we do the first time we're so conscious about what do we say. We have to say the right thing. But this is a good practice to go on. Yes, Felix, what was your observation? Okay. Initially the narrative by the counsellor was not well caught by the counsellor because the counsellor was talking about studies both online and offline with Bible school and the university. So I think initially it wasn't well communicated. But they both did well. The communication was cordial and then probing questions and well sorted responses. Everyone was speaking. So it was a good encounter. Okay. And well, yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Felix. Great. Good. Okay. Sam. Thank you, Pastor. When the initial part was really good where the counsellor was responding, I think by the book there was a lot of, uh-huh, tell me more kind of stuff. And then, and which encouraged the counsellor to open up more. In between I thought I heard like an evaluation where the counsellor said it doesn't seem right or I don't think that's good, something like that. But surprisingly that worked more in favour of the counsellor. The counsellor, yeah, yeah, yeah, like that's what exactly I mean. And it started opening and building up more of that. And then, but the counsellor was, I think out of the ten minutes the counsellor must have spoken for like nine and a half or even nine minutes. And the counsellor portal without everything just under a minute. Except in the last minute where, you know, we realised that it's about to close. I think the counsellor, oh, so the counsellor might have felt the pressure to okay, I have to give something so you're like, you did the right thing. And so it was going, and then we came back to the picture. Okay. Okay, the pressure of time. Time. Okay, good. Okay. And I think my observation in my group was it really helped. I think the counsellor counsellor quickly got on to the problem completely understood what the problem was. I think one one feedback that what was happening is he probably got into a question mode really quickly, but wasn't wasn't there to to stay on the feeling level. So we kind of reworked that. And then, you know, he was able to express that. And the counsellor actually shared a bit more of information after he was able to do that. So good. Great. That's a wonderful, wonderful exercise. You know, I think we should keep doing this because that's the only way that we will we will probably evolve these skills and work through some of these skills. Okay. So we have five minutes and what I'm going to do for maybe five, seven minutes is I am the counsellor and all of you are my counsellors. Okay. And I'm going to share something and I'd like when I pause, somebody has to unmute and and speak. Okay. All right. So please work fast. Otherwise you will have your counsellor. You know, maybe just walking out of the room or shutting the room or something like that. Okay. So you have all of your luck together. And this is just for us to be able to pick up on on these skills a little better. Okay. So it's you're responding to something that I'm going to say. Okay. All right. Ready? Are we okay for the challenge? You have all each other to hold and to to walk with. Okay. So we're going to we're going to start. I don't know how this is going to happen, but let's let's see. So don't wait for someone to talk. If you get an idea, just, you know, unmute and just say something. Okay. Don't wait for who's going to maybe somebody else. If you have something to say, quickly get up and say it. Okay. Now I want to think of what I want to say something as simple as as. Okay. So, you know, I've come to you because I really want to share something that's been very strong in my heart. You know, I've been married for 20 years and I have a family and something that I just cannot enjoy doing is getting to the kitchen on a regular basis. And these last two years, I just find myself, I have been in the kitchen and endlessly. And I'm just not liking it. I just don't know what to do about it. Response. It looks like you don't. So are you don't seem to like teaching about much faster? Yeah, I don't. You know, it starts in the morning. I start like 530 and I end by 10pm. I mean, do you work like that in the kitchen? I'm sure these times maybe there are people who are now working in the kitchen. It may not be for this long. And just to understand a little more, how many, how big is your family? How many people do you need to you need to go for? So I have my, I have my in-laws, the two of them, they're two elderly people. I have my husband, I have my kids and then evenings, I have my nieces coming over. So there are these many people and there are so many mouths to feed. How long has this been going on? For the last two years, ever since the lockdown. But how are you managing in the last 20 years? You said that last 20 years you are in the marriage and how are you managing on those in the past 20 years? So at that point of time, you know, they just, everyone goes to school or goes to work and, you know, I have some space. But now everybody is wanting something to eat at all the time. They're always hungry. And I feel like a maid. What really pains you about, you know, you've been in the kitchen? What's the most in a really pains you about being in the kitchen? Just that I don't, I mean, one, the people see me for, I mean, I feel like I'm like a maid who doesn't, and no one sees that I have anything else to do but just stick in the kitchen. I mean, I have my own likes, I have my own things I want to do. I want to pursue so many things I want to read. I want to talk to my friends. I want to go for a jog. I can't do any of this. Okay, you want to do something else apart from cooking. You want to enhance your interest. I think seems like. I don't know. I'm not sure about if I wanted. Yeah, I want to do many other things, but I don't like the way that I feel. I just don't like the way that I feel. You feel unappreciated and left out of your dreams, correct? Absolutely. I just feel nobody cares that I'm slogging in the kitchen day in and day out. Nobody even gives me a helping hand. They don't even think that I would have other things to do or I have my own space. I just feel that nobody cares. Is there anybody you share this experience with? They say I'm overreacting. When you share the experience. Yeah, they say I'm just overreacting that it isn't a big thing. That I'm the woman of the house and that's what I'm expected to do. I don't think they understand even. You've not told of meeting someone higher than the people you're sharing with. Sorry, I didn't follow that. I'm saying that you've not told of maybe visiting someone that is of authority over their marriage. Is this a marriage issue? I thought about asking for help. Have you thought of asking for help from others? I did. They all say they have their own work. They have their own calls. It's not a big thing that I should learn to manage. I think you should need a helping hand. Someone could share the work and someone could share your thoughts with it. I think you should hire a maid as well as a work should be reduced. Then talk to your husband and try to explain to him that after so long working it might be a monotonous work for you. I think being a soulmate, being a husband and a partner, he will definitely understand. You both need to sit together and come up with a solution. I think a helping hand will help you to come out of this. You might have a time for yourself. You should have a space for yourself. I think you should have called your husband and talked to him about it. Okay. Thank you councillors. Thank you for acknowledging you. Thank you. Just a couple of quick observations and then we will close. Good job. I think one thing is I was so glad that there were so many overwhelming responses. That's wonderful. One of the things that personally I felt that wasn't picked up was that I wasn't given enough of space to really share my brokenness. I think one of the questions that Harrison bought up helped. What in this cooking or what in your time in the kitchen does for you? What does it do for you? He didn't say make you feel. He used another word but I can't pick that up. That's what he said. That's where I said I feel disrespected or I feel nobody cares. That's something I put to you. That's something that you catch on to. Can you flesh that out a little bit for me? You said nobody cares for you. Could you express that a little bit more? To really help me come to a place of figuring out that I am feeling really, really terrible about this. What most of you all were doing was asking questions. How many days do you cook? How many people are there? These are relevant but maybe not in such quick succession. When I said there are 10 people to cook, that must be a whole, that's a big number. It looks like a big number. Harrison said how do you manage that? What you are doing is not just picking up information but taking that information and drawing a little bit about what I am experiencing or what I am thinking there. Good job. I think the last thing that Prabhakar said is that becomes advice, that becomes solution giving. Rather, you need to bring it out in another way and say, this is what we are going to be learning about, questioning and saying this is how you have looked at it. What do you think in your mind you should do to find a way to work this out? You are going to put that question to me. Rather than bringing out the answer from you. I don't know, I have tried very many things. Could you tell me what are the things you have tried? I have spoken to my kids about it. I have spoken to my neighbour about it. Two things. Is there anyone else you could talk to who has an influence in your family? My husband. Have you thought about that? What are your feelings with regard to talking to your husband? I may say he is so busy or he is so that. Do you see that you try to get the counsellor to generate a solution and not give on a solution? You should be able to lead in such a way that they are able to come up with a solution. Rather than saying, I think you should talk to your husband, you need the time, you should get a maid. All this is right. It could be right. I don't know if that fits for me. The question I would ask is, you seem so overwhelmed. What are some of the ways you think you can work this out? They will say, no, I have tried everything. Tell me what you have tried. Let's look at brainstorm together. These are two things you have tried. Is there anyone else you could talk to? Or is there anyone else's help you can bring in? That is how you help the person generate a solution on their own. Great. Thank you all so much. I completely, thoroughly enjoyed myself. I hope this was a good learning experience. Let's pray together. Heavenly Father, we thank you God for times like this. Even through these mediums that we can learn and grow and make mistakes and understand. Father, we pray that you will teach us these skills. Holy Spirit, even though sometimes it seems very daunting. We pray that you will work in us and you will help us. You will prompt us to say the right things, to respond in a way to others that makes them feel comfortable, that makes them feel that they can share and open up. And through the power of your Holy Spirit, teach us a lot to empower them to come up with ideas and solutions. Thank you for this ministry. It's so beautiful that you're teaching us through these ways. We ask, Lord, that all of this will be used for your glory. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen. God bless. I'll meet you all all next week. Thank you so much. Bye-bye. Thank you. Thank you first up. Bye.