 We have been supporting people with real-time innovation sessions in which we're using all of this CAD software all of these remarkable relatively speaking brand-new technologies like 3d printing and laser cutting and and and all these electronics that are so easy to incorporate these days to be inventing products and building them and iterating and building like you know dozens of them, you know within a day sometimes, so it's great Yeah, I mean we have brought the product life cycle from Years to days You know factors of a hundred you know faster Boom what's up everyone welcome to simulation. I'm your host on sake and very excited to be in Boston, Massachusetts Still we are at GSV labs co-create X's East Coast headquarters We're gonna be talking about real-time innovation. We have Matt Cameron joining song show. What's up? Hey? Thank you so much for having me Alan. I really appreciate it I can't believe that eight years ago or something like that. We were at the University of Minnesota together Yeah, and now we're both adults Doing our own projects in the world. It's super cool that yeah that this reconnection is happening after Such a long period of time flies Time flies eight years Wow We've done a lot so much more immature so much a better world view now. Yeah, yeah stuff For those who don't know max background He's the co-founder and president of co-create X which is helping realize the full creative potential of people's by strengthening communities processes and productivity Worldwide and you can find co-create X's link below co-create X comm as well as their Instagram their Twitter their Facebook group and Max LinkedIn profile link, so Let's start things off with our question that we love asking we find ourselves the stewards of earth What is your current take on the state of humanity the state of humanity? Wow? Well, I Think that this is the most incredible time to be alive by far This it is a magical time to be alive We have the freedom to travel anywhere in the world, you know within like 24 hours I mean it is it is remarkable the freedom and the openness and the Ability to express ourselves like this is this is the best time in human history ever. It's the safest And I think it's only gonna get better. We've we've seen we've seen so many good amazing productivity tools and Transportation is transforming Trade and and it's a magical time to be alive in the in this this state of humanity. I am so fortunate I got to experience having a No phone and a very small little phone that could just do text messages that you know We all like all my friends, you know Did too many text messages and our bills went up through the roof and our parents, you know took our phones away to the point where We are doing like virtual reality We have virtual reality your machines in our pockets powered by data centers Everywhere in the world like this is Magical I oh my goodness. It's a miracle where we are right now Yeah, I love your your your degree of optimism and your degree of confidence in progress and in Creativity being Maximized right now I'm really happy to unpack that with you because you got this real-time Innovation edge to you and your organizations and the people that you impact are on the world So let's jump into the journey So you're born in Madison in Wisconsin, then you move to Minnesota when you're seven and then from there You went through the University of Minnesota. Tell us about these inputs these stimuli that cause you to become who you are a Family friends you said were really important you three older siblings Sports and then of course your outlook on the desire to improve life and make it more efficient productive Yeah, yeah for sure So I feel incredibly fortunate because I was always around a lot of my peers who are also interested in building stuff and improving things And and I think we were we were raised in a very unique interesting time That like we were exposed to so many ideas Growing up that we're so well thought out you know these the first you know movies and videos and and Things that TV shows and things that influenced us were very You know thought out and well funded which I think is is it's an interesting way to kind of grow and develop ideas Whereas today, it's very very quick and easy to be posting stuff Which is also very good in many many different ways, but I ended up Studying physics at the University of Minnesota And was exposed to a lot of really unique product design activities and just an understanding of of the world and physical Properties that that was inspiring I chose physics because it was like the most difficult thing that I took in high school And I was like I need to master this and you know four years later with a physics degree You know, I do not believe that I have mastered it by any means Certainly learned a lot and I had a lot of fun and struggled greatly But you know it was it was the desire for for knowledge and the desire for truth that Was was inspiring and and as I I learned more and I was introduced to different technologies I think I was able to To unload some of my creative potential using 3d printing and other technologies that that it felt as though I was Skydiving with a world full of ideas that could be realized, you know before I hit the ground and So that that is definitely You know 3d printing and the physics education has certainly played a giant part in who I am today I feel very fortunate to have Siblings who are in science and and technology and in business and just just a friend group in general that You know is is doing very very interesting and unique things yourself included, you know, it's inspiring and I think I Mean it's it's a cliche thing to say but hanging around with people who are productive and who are always doing positive things and pursuing something that That is hopefully their own passion is inspiring Greatly and can lead everybody, you know to the next level of their own personal accomplishment, which is hopefully tied to their happiness Yeah, yeah the the the importance of us Identifying what we are true self is finds the most meaning in life and setting that as a goal and having mentors and Influences that help us get there for every mind that's born into the world so critical And that's what you know, that's a lot in a lot of ways what you're building with co-createx And I want to hit on another thing that you said which was that it was kind of this Your your when you're in physics at the U of M And you're also playing around with the 3d printing tools You're really starting to realize the full potential of what it's like to to think of an idea And then make it in the world like you said by the time you're done skydiving before you hit the ground Physical world yeah, that's you was a major light bulb. Yeah. Oh, yeah, and then tell tell so tell me about how that then Ended up Catalyzing I want to actually even before we get to Z mock and how that catalyzed that tell us about this Perspective that you have with looking around you and seeing how do I improve life? How do I make the quality of everything around me and other people better? Yeah Great question. I think that One important thing is to not get intimidated by trying to solve The biggest problem right away. It's it's easy to think that Even improving something very small is just not worth your time but the ability to learn from Building something small and reasonable is so important. So for example when I was first introduced to 3d printing I took an incredible class at the University of Minnesota Called toy product design with Barry Kedjewitz. It was it was my first experience of of product design and Using 3d printing to make an idea that we had just thought up a reality within 24 hours I mean this was this was magic. I had never seen anything like this. This is Plastic like you would see in a Lego set, you know ABS plastic. That's really strong You know being able to think of an idea and create it right away So our challenge was to create a a marble run or be able to use recycled materials like Cans and boards and boxes to create an intricate marble run to kind of reuse stuff That's in the recycling right away for toy purposes So we built a bunch of connectors and we designed connectors to connect cans together boxes together Clips together to make these really intricate marble runs and It we weren't solving we weren't solving Global big problems with that, but we were learning the skills that when you Implement for long enough can actually make a big difference like compound interest on a yes in a bank account 10% Every year doesn't look very big after that first year a second year, but 10 years down the line 20 years down the line You know we're young 100 years down the line, you know who knows how long we're gonna last but this stuff really really builds up That's a super important piece of advice that we can't get overwhelmed by the By the massive challenges that we have to all collectively tackle And we also have to know the butterfly effect that we can catalyze on a different part of the world Just through a simple thing like a smile those massive dominoes that can go and make impact And then also I like how you said it is like a compound interest when you do learn programming or when you do learn engineering or Designing in CAD and actually 3d printing something immediately when you learn these processes It makes you a more well-rounded person going into every single industry entrepreneur artist application You do after that yeah point in time so then the the Dis toy product design class the physics the 3d printing all that tied you into even starting your first company and This company Z mock so you're doing you've been doing it seven years now That's catting for companies design engineering firm and packaging design now so teach us about Z mock yeah, so me my my friends in college started Z mock to actually turn a fireplace into a Dancing stereo so the flames dance to music and it's it's really incredible It's actually based on a science experiment called the Rubens tube that was developed by a physicist in the you know early 20th century and It's a it's as simple as taking a tube drilling some holes into it putting a propane connection on one end and a speaker to the Other end that's right and this the compression and contraction of sound waves Depending on whatever song that you do will actually make that the the flames bounce up and down So we were like why hasn't anybody made a sweet fireplace like this? They build these giant hotels with these linear fireplaces and none of them dance to music So we pursued that you know we learned very quickly how expensive getting UL testing you know bomb proofing some of these things is right It's very important to make sure that these are safe and make sure you have the the proper Insurance for it for something that's dealing with fire and you know closed containers So we we made a lot of progress. We actually invented a couple ways that Really solve some giant giant problems of this but at this time, you know, I was just graduating I was I was really pursuing my passion, which is is 3d printing and and just building stuff and Ended up getting a job at at Stratasys, which is the world's largest 3d printing business at the time And and that project kind of fell at the wayside However, I do you know if anybody's watching this and they want a cool project to do please do that Or I'm gonna do it at some point because it's still so awesome. I want to see my fireplace dance music someday That's right be great in San Francisco with you I'm sure Minnesota It just gets too cold for like fireplaces. I think Ran into ran into some some outdoor issues with the weather out out in the north There's this is another one of those things where you're looking at something You're like, how do we make it more exciting more engaging entertaining these types of things And then so since then it's been doing a lot of packaging design design and engineering and whatnot But you also took that job three years with Stratasys Applications engineer manufacturing thousands of parts which also led you to doing an Adject professing role at the University of Minnesota Where it would you actually taught the first 3d printing class there? Yeah, I had a remarkable opportunity while I was working at Stratasys as an applications engineer Which in my experience was was perfect We learned about all of the different ways that things are made Injection molding blow molding casting forming Carving all these different manufacturing methods and where 3d printing fits in the life cycle of these traditional processes so so we learned a lot a lot of manufacturing methods and and how to design for those those manufacturing methods using the new and improved Freedom that comes with 3d printing and so from there I Had an opportunity. I met a gentleman who was one of the I think he was a faculty director at the College of Continuing Education Whose name was also Mac and like we just connected right away because they're both our names were Mac and like I haven't met a Mac in a while So anyways like it just like worked out really well We collaborated on a syllabus and implemented a really sweet program at the University of Minnesota While I was working at Stratasys to introduce people to all of these new new methods and we actually Did something that I believe fully in which is give somebody the power to pursue their passion and The tools to pursue it quickly and just let people enjoy let people embrace what it is that they want to do That's that's where you get the best out of people you get the most out of someone they're doing something that they love to do and These tools are making it quite easy to to do that Yeah, it's it's powerful when you put it in that perspective because when someone's in that state of creative flow Where they're finding the most meaning and what they're doing on a moment-to-moment basis the product of output is just Unrivaled compared to anything else that someone's doing and tools like 3d printing and like the class you were teaching We're powering people to be able to to creatively flourish like that. Mm-hmm So you also I want let's teach about this Let's have you teach about this on the way to co-create X There's dozens of ways to do 3d printing and 3d printing and additive manufacturing are synonymous. Yeah, okay, and then Third, but this is 30 years old most people were don't we're thinking like those brand new it's 30 years old Yep, and that this is layering materials and building new shapes building new lattice structures Building new cooling channels bending these materials. Yeah fascinating. Yeah, it's it's so cool And I really inspire anybody who's interested in getting into 3d printing a first start with learning CAD software computer aided design software Or other methods to convert your ideas into a digital file because once it's converted into a digital file You have the freedom to manufacture it in many different methods, but 3d printing in general is a was first called additive manufacturing because instead of kind of the traditional Subtractive manufacturing where you take a big block of steel and you mill it down or you know could be any number of materials and you subtract the material This is a method to actually start with just the material that you need and build it layer upon layer So in essence I mean in general it's considered a more efficient way to do stuff You don't need a big block of material You don't need to throw away as much material, but what also happens is you get design freedom that you can just build stuff That subtractive manufacturing can't can't get away from so About ten different ways to do this you can do metals you can do foods you can 3d print different bioplastics and you know structures and silicones that can be used for anything from new engine parts to Organs to plastic pieces to toys really a lot of freedom and More and more applications coming out any any given day, honestly of this so Yeah, hopefully that was a great. That was a kind of a good understanding of something it is It's so true that with the subtractive There's how do you get into the inner parts like you said with additive you can make whatever insides you want more easily Yeah, also The applications like you said everything from micro vasculature and organs all the way to the aerospace and automotive parts, and yeah This is application endless. I love it. Yeah, and it's so accessible. I I Can teach somebody how to 3d print and design something that they have in their head in 10 minutes Yeah, that's profound boom. That's you could be doing it yourself in 10 minutes 10 minutes There's a 3d printer right there Wi-Fi connection. We're Alan. We're we're making you some stuff and now okay I love it on the software side of things Okay, so CAD so computer a to design What are the best? Tools that someone could learn and you know in that 10 minute period where they could realize the way that they Want to design something and have it and have it printed. Yeah, so just recently with this cloud computing boom a lot of these These softwares have gone into the cloud, which means that you can just use them on a traditional browser whether it be Google Chrome or Firefox or opera or safari And this is very unique because these are very high in intensive programs in terms of the hardware that's needed to Run these things so typically I'll have somebody start with a either a digital sculpting program In which you pretty much start with like a ball of clay a digital ball of clay and you like grab it and you form it and you Smooth it and you can ultimately create something that's very organic shape like a face or a body And a good great one for that is called sculpt GL. I usually just Google search sculpt GL It's it's the first thing that pops up. You don't have to sign up for an account. You should totally check it out It's really awesome. You just start designing Or there's one that's called tinkercad, which is a little bit closer to engineering drawings, but it allows you to to take take blocks like in Minecraft or Circles or spheres or shapes and very quickly Create 3d geometry from it Yes And then and then you can save it as a as a stl file or as an additive manufacturing file or any number of the formats And then right when you get there you're good to go It becomes very easy to make it from there one step Kind of further which is engineering drawings Kind of some of the big players in the industry are on shape Which is is my personal favorite at this time and fusion 360 which is also an incredible Software both I believe have free options for entrepreneurs and and for ed educators and people in school And then there's their solid works and Katia and that there's a bunch of other big intensive softwares I could talk for a while about software. There's there's you know, even more like, you know topology optimization and being able to incorporate stuff like entopology, but with with that that pot of software You know getting good at that is like getting good at code 25 years ago, I mean this this is going to blow up and it's going to be exciting and we're going to see improvements across the board There isn't you know an hour of code. There are all these code pushing programs because there's big money in it This cat is like coming soon. I agree. Yeah. Yeah, get good at cat is is a Good at cat. Yeah, so it's like learn to code learn to CAD, you know learn to social emotional like these things are That help with you know business and relationships rapport Yeah, interesting so the combination of kind of like those three things are a massive part of our future Yeah, you you you indicated a couple things there that thought it's so important one of them being that the Processing capacity that was necessary on a piece of hardware is you know You know you can do it in browsers because we're doing it via cloud compute which is fantastic So cool and then also that you know things like a sculpt GL or a tinker cat are kind of more of like these basic more fundamental Ones and then all the way up to the harder ones the new fusion 360 and solid works and Entopology etc. So there's there's that gradient level for expertise which is available So go and get tinkering that's such a good point is go and get tinkering as soon as possible get used to Playing around with it and actually go and actually take that file and go print it to see it come alive right away That's so awesome. Yeah, it's it's so cool It's so empowering and when I was teaching a class with a gentleman named Derek Mathers at the University of Minnesota He would like to tell the analogy like 3d printing your first part that you designed yourself is Like going scuba diving for the first time and taking that first breath under water where just a new world opens That's very that's really well said Yeah, yeah, yeah, my my I had so many other good analogies come up, too Let's hit co-create X real-time innovation sessions You full maximizing the full creative potential of people in one of the most accelerated product design Fashions is beautiful like you said it's like when you scuba dive for the first time when you take an airplane for the first time When you go across the world when you fall in love the first time all these types of things is like how can you realize that? Idea and how do you have a company like co-create X that actually does that and there's so many components of this? Let's start from the from the highest level perspective on this real-time innovation. Yeah, so so co-create X We started this officially about three years ago And the the vision is to help people make a living by being who they are and doing what they love Which is like how do we help innovators support their passions and be as successful as we can possibly make them? We help tap the power of communities to help people realize their creative dreams and my my co-founder Nick Pauley loves to say that a Tapping the community is is so interesting because the more you tap into the community a Community in general the stronger it grows right it is a resource that when you tap into it It grows stronger as opposed to Tapping into a mine where you mine out the materials and it becomes less you know less materials in there the community Actually grows stronger. Yeah, so we have been supporting people with real-time innovation sessions In which we're using all of this CAD software all of these remarkable relatively speaking brand new technologies like 3d printing and laser cutting and and and all these electronics that are so easy to incorporate these days to be inventing products and building them and iterating and building like you know dozens of them, you know within a day sometimes so it's great Yeah, I mean we have brought the product lifecycle from Years to days You know factors of a hundred you know faster and it certainly it requires a lot of a lot of practice and expertise but also just You know just just doing it just getting into the rhythm, you know not worrying about what can't be done But instead just consistently like you know push and solve those small problems, right? break everything into small problems and work, you know as fast and You know as rapid as you possibly can. Oh My goodness, this is so great So you see you take like such a good way to put it is that when you tap into the community growth stronger That's such a good way to put it so there's you know, so co-createx has his own Also its own community of builders engineers designers ops people executors of all sorts as well as is Working with inspiring communities around the world to also come up with helping with the execution of ideas of people in those areas So you can kind of reach out to either, you know co-createx or co-createx can also kind of pair you with people in the Local communities that you're at. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, and just one one more thing about that is They're in recent years. There has been a big influx in maker spaces some call them fab labs There's a huge number of names for what you would call a place that you can go and build stuff These are popping up at schools. These are popping up in Rural areas down in cities. There are places to make things But the business models that are associated with these places have made them very difficult to be sustainable So co-createx is is developing a platform and has already developed a good portion of the platform And and a culture that's going to make maker spaces around the world Truly thrive on what it is that they have access to which is the ability to turn The community in which that maker space is in those ideas into reality to solve those problems very fast so we've we've developed a Distributed social network that you know captures generosity within these places We've developed a an intellectual property blockchain application that allows us to quickly and immutably gather the information That that are that's generated there And we've we've built kind of a structure and a process for people to host these Real-time innovation sessions and actually be inventing stuff ideas are so important and the the Patent system and just the ideas in general it just needs to be improved and Because we can do these things so fast when I say these things I mean build products or take that idea in your head and put it in your hand in a couple hours it is it is becoming more and more important to To be able to kind of understand and and feel comfortable Communicating that idea and sharing that ideas with others So that's that's really where we're we're trying to trying to go and we have a bus that we you know I've turned into a maker space We have a house that we have a maker space really where we we did a lot of this initial Just we a lot of this initial brainstorming of like okay, you know, what's going on here, right? We can't keep up with the Joneses. We'll never get the biggest baddest laser cutter and right when we get it There's another one that comes out You know and so we've developed these these products in this culture that that we're growing and building. Yeah, yeah the When you when you take someone that in that that so much needs though Just one-on-one mentorship and guidance of I have an idea How do I realize it and then there's a community around them that helps them do a real-time innovation session and just like that the Idea is iterated on a step further and then even physically in their hand or a step into the further into the world is just so critical and the Execution is such it's the most important than 99% of it ideas are everywhere all the time and if we can actually Realize them more fully into our world faster And build community in the meanwhile. That's so crucial now. I want to hit on a couple things as well One of the things that I like potentially Referencing quite a bit is this edge of knowledge So we have this massive edge of knowledge for civilization and love that We find so many different scientists engineers people that are at this the edge and then Artists entrepreneurs and so when we do things like co-create X it helps us democratize the The idea ideation process to create as well as then further push that edge and open up more people to be able to creatively go and explore There mm-hmm. Yeah Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more I love the analogy of of we're in this this sphere that is ever growing of knowledge and Expanding and people are bouncing into the edge and pushing it out a little bit and it grows in general. Yeah I I think it's so so interesting and it's it's accelerating. It's very much going way faster than it was And there's a number of reasons reasons why including the software that's making this whole Whole world Yeah, soft eating the world. Yeah, it's making the world tick Okay, teach us, you know, you you talked on the IP blockchain I want to we'll save that for laugh right after the mobile innovation bus you want to scale that I like that idea you're driving you're driving around a bus that has a lot of 3d printing technology in it that kind of gets Kids and young adults in and excited about about actually executing ideas and you're driving that around the country. Yeah, it's We're like the New Age rock star except for we're not like singing concerts We're going and inventing stuff for people. It's it's wild and I encourage everybody to tag along We we stop stop by lots of cities. So we might be coming by and making a bus. Yeah, yeah Create X bus. Yeah, CCX bus Yeah, CCX bus and then Very good. So more buses more cities stopping more cities potentially around the world as well having buses around the world democratizing the technology further in the most rural parts inspiring more people to yeah to build Mm-hmm, and then the IP blockchain also related especially to like the edge of knowledge is very interesting You mentioned patents as well earlier We kind of prop people up on a pedestal a lot as an individual like a noble laureate or the founder of a company or whatever but then there's like thousands of people that were involved in that physics Edge push or the operations push out a company to get something done. So when you take something like Two people having an innovation session like if Mack and I were to go and do an innovation session on a drone right now I'm on a drone application and then we were to literally Put that on the co-create X's blockchain and say that Mack and Alan had this session It's physically there on a ledger that's decentralized and boom just like that now We have no we have an ongoing ledger of our innovation sessions. Yeah, exactly. We will have a a hash that will last essentially forever Associated directly with that information that we put in there and what's really cool about the co-create X blockchain is that It is to inner interact with it. It is as easy as sending an email all you have to do is send an email to blockchain at co-createx.com with the Subject line as what it is that you're sharing and an attachment and it will immediately log that into our blockchain I think it takes about 26 seconds and Send you back the hash and the document that has been hashed into the blockchain With the timestamp and everything so we think we have the easiest way to Interact with the blockchain that we've ever seen at least so you and I update maybe our CAD design And then we would submit that in and so send the email and then eventually it gets so integrated that it just automatically takes that file and stores it on The co-createx blockchain so that it's an automatic integrative in iterative and innovative Part part of our creative processes exactly and and we've also incorporated a way to just just quickly create a nondisclosure agreement and From that because a lot of times people just they just want to share their ideas with somebody who's going to be helpful For them, but they're they don't want to share it without somebody tiny and nondisclosure agreement And so we want to make that easier as well And we don't we don't give legal advice We work with with lawyers and patent agents who help out with that stuff but this is at the very least we're taking a step in the right direction and in Practicing what this is ultimately going to look like as More and more of these innovations real-time innovation sessions happen around the world Yeah, you have a cool video about Help and thank you as well, which I thought was very profound because gratitude Has shown over and over again to to increase amounts of meaning and purpose and fulfillment and awe and happiness in life and and To to be able to do something like Push a help and thank you culture around the world is so critical Yeah, well, thank you. Thank you so much the We found that some of the most valuable things that happened in our in our maker space when we had it Was when somebody gave a thank-you note These there it's just it just feels really good And there's not there's not a lot of bad stuff that happens when you know Somebody gives somebody a thank-you note and just says thank you for helping me out. That was that was Really helped me complete the project You know pat in the invention, you know do something that I wanted to do so we decided that we're going to start really incorporating that into our culture and really inspiring people to collaborate and Celebrate the good things the the things that were you know need celebration So we we applaud all those who are helping each other with projects and saying thank you and if you're so inspired You can say thank you to somebody who's helped you out with your project on co-creator x calm and it's It is it is the fundamental the baseline culture of of a Successful and happy community Yeah, you make it. Yeah, you make me feel great when you talk about community and creativity And thank you and grab to write these things coming together our our future in so many ways Yeah, we love what you're doing and I want to Want to ask you the couple simulation questions on the way out of the show. We cover everything fairly well. I think so. Yeah Yeah, I think so too. Good. Good. All right. All right, so We'll ask you First are we in a simulation? I think we're building the simulation right now. I think we're the first About a bang we may see in our lifetime. I Just watched a cool video and VR. I Was a I was in the The dinosaur Dinosaur land. So yeah, I think that I think that we're the first. I think we're building the simulation right now You think this is base reality and we're building the first I think this is base reality. Yeah, yeah Let's do it. Let's build it Prove me wrong. No Scientific probe trying. Yeah, exactly base or not first. Yeah, but we but yeah, you're right that the tech has advanced so much It's it's for sure going in the direction of making more simulations So it's good discoveries to make. Yeah. I mean, it's a great conversation. I have but Because sometimes life feels like a simulation Yeah, yeah, like we may yeah, and here we are now. Yeah, yeah talking like enjoy enjoying life in Boston with the Paramount in the background at GSV labs. That's right. Yes. Yeah, it's like it was meant to be. Yeah, no kidding No kidding and also the the the full realization of people's creativity is A critical part of the process and we're leveling up as we create more. Yeah, we level up We gain more experience points. We can log that on a ledger along the way. That's a great way Yeah, everybody's perspective is incredibly important to solve a problem and Everybody has has something. I'm sure that they would love love to see solved and we are empowered today to help people do that and to do it ourselves Yeah, yeah, yeah unprecedented rates And it's it's really time to democratize the future more and give people more of the tools to access to do so and Then what do you think is the most beautiful thing in the world? my girlfriend step in the most beautiful thing in the world, but but in terms of science and technology and humanity I think That Seeing someone pursue their passion Empowering somebody to pursue their passion You know for their own personal purpose is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in this world That's that's rad. Yeah. Yeah that lighting that helping helping light the fire under someone's creative potential. Yeah Hey, I'm helping. Hopefully I'm helping you do that as well right now You absolutely create content Get this make make magic and hopefully hopefully inspire some people. Yeah. Yeah, and it's it's You're you're so so right that that's one of the most Profoundly beautiful things you see someone that has their own aha I have the full potential to build what I care about and build the future together as that global community Find my role in the game together. Yeah, and find my character role. Wow. What the profound feeling that that catalyzes Yeah, it's it's incredible And it's it's unfortunate that so many people don't have the opportunity to pursue their passion with With the majority of their time and with with automation and with The the technology is making it easier and easier to do so but I I have been you know fully pursuing my passion for just a couple years and it is I Love going to work every day. You know everything is is exciting and if you don't feel like that I encourage you to really try or reach out to the co-creator x community or or Anybody to help So there are people out there willing to willing to help you pursue that passion because we know it's gonna be your best work That you will ever create in life is is what you know, you know, you got to do with them a Question that we like asking is why have we built a civilization where people do what they don't love every single day? So yeah So then it's about the new code deployments that make it easier for the kids when they're born into the world to be able to Do what they love every single day without having to do things that they don't love and then also like you said reach out to co-create x reach out to simulation simulation series at gmail.com and Reach out to us because we'll love to pair you with the you know Co-create X's Facebook group or any of the people we featured on the show that are at the edge of their fields So you can get going on building and iterating and fulfilling your your fullest into the world Mac holy cow would have Awesome conversation together. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Alan again much appreciated huge love big love Thank you. Let's collaborate more. I agree. I totally agree. There's so much good stuff to collaborate on and Much love everyone. Thank you so much for tuning in. We greatly appreciate it We would love to hear your thoughts in the comments below. 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