 Why do you a research in this field? And as Mark said earlier, you know we really want to be at a point where we can prove that we're making a difference. Civic Tech has really matured over the last few years And part of that mwychwering process has to be moving beyond quite superficial measures of success like you know how many hits you're getting on a website to really sharing that you're making a tangible difference gyda'r effeithio ar ymgyrch safefydd. Ond yw'n dweud ffrifeteg ar hyn o feinu'r ffaith. Mae'n idio gynnwys, mae'n idio i'ch ffrifeteg fydd, felly mae'n ffrifeteg i gyd gofynu ac mae'n gwneud. Mae'n dweud ffrifeteg o brifreth yw oes, mae angen 12 o'n gweithio. Fe wnaeth ymgriffau o weithd Chairmanys, ac mae cyfitrwyddo i'r cyforraedd ac yw'r cyfan, flew gwaith oeth lawer o'r reportedau. Can Thamod. That was really important for us in kind of really starting at the beginning, you know, who actually uses civic technology. That was one of the questions I asked when I actually interviewed for this job at my society, I said, well, who uses your websites. And the answer was, well, we actually don't know, we use them, we know some people use them, but we don't know who they are. So that seemed like a really logical place to actually get going. And as Mark said earlier, one of the things that we've found out is bod weith iechydded Father of the people that you're using civic check at the moment are already quite empowered. They're already quite, you know, effective in engaging with with kind of civic society, civic life. So that's a really great thing to know. As Mark said we've done a lot of finding out what we don't know. It's really important that we do work with other people and that we can kind of pool as many resources as possible into looking at these problems.