 Now I can see you, Buwana. It is the 22nd day of January, 2024. Finally, I've grasped the fact that we're no longer 2023, but I don't believe it. How is January over? How? Anyway, pertaining to that particular fact, that January is almost over, we have a question on our social media platform then. And the thesis is this troublesome January, apart from booking ABNB, the spending is coming from a suspend had he long month E share. But admin, you just had to slide ABNB in that. But anyway, it's fine. This troublesome January, again, apart from booking ABNB, the spending is coming from a suspend had he long month E share. But again, Steph did tell us. That's Stephanie yet on everything. She did tell us January is the month of champions. So I choose to believe that this January is not troublesome. No, I have refused. Hashtag is MCM. That is a Monday where we crush on our gentlemen. Or the generic hashtag is Y. And the money, my name is Valentine. Or at ColorMeVal. You can interact with us at Y54 Facebook, Y54 channel on X, Y54 underscore channel on the Gram. And of course, those are the wonderful social media platforms. Now with me, without further ado, we're just going to dive into this. I believe this is a very interesting conversation that's about to come up. So please do keep your devices ready in case you have something to say to him before he leaves the set. Or in case you want to just give us your two cents. It's going to be lit, by the way. Anyway, allow me to introduce one Laoui or you. Let me just read for you before we get to him. He is a distinguished human rights advocate with a prominent presence in the realms of political and environmental activism currently serving as the national chairman of Bungalowananchi in Kenya. Ouyugi also holds the position of CEO, CEO at Public Interest Group Kenya. Now, his accolades go on and on and on. But I do would, I would like to cut this short so that he can introduce himself appropriately. Good morning, sir. Yes. Welcome to set. I hope you're enjoying the show so far. Did you enjoy a little better in the intro? Yes, yes, it is very fantastic. Yes? I really enjoy it. Why are you so happy? It's Monday. No, it's Monday and it's also a unique day for me because I'm in a TV station. Ah-ha, the best TV station, by the way. It is not easy for a person to come into a place like this. Ah-ha, you honor us. So many accolades, you would be so humble to say you're blessed to be here. We are blessed actually. All right, I'm blessed. Is it anything I missed out or skipped in your bio? Introducing you, would you like to emphasize on something? Yes, I love your yogi, it has all survived as an MCA. Ah-ha. Nairobi Central Business District. Wow. For two consecutive times. How did that go? But lost slightly. Slightly? Yes. You're planning to- Actually, last general election. Ah-ha. I was one of the people who are in the ballot. Okay. Yes. Are you planning to do it again in 2017? Exactly. Relentlessly. Yes, I'll continue. Ah, I like that. Okay, okay. What else do you want to highlight about yourself before we get to the topic? Again, Nairobi is a human right activist, as you've said. Ah-ha. Most of them are philanthropists. Ah-ha. Nairobi is also a tribal leader. Ah-ha. I can say a spiritual tribal leader. Okay. Yes. Okay. So, Nairobi is like a tree. Ah-ha. Yes. And there are many things. Ah-ha. Yes. Please help me understand what a spiritual and tribal leader is. You know, a spiritual leader, when actually my tribe want to do certain things, sometimes they used to call me to foresee or to advise and also to give direction, especially to the youths within my community, within my tribe. Ah-ha. And it is a position which people looked after and people were being elected through my tribe. Okay. Yes, so I was elected. I'm truly in the presence of greatness. Yeah. Ah-ha. So, that's me. Okay. Yeah, that is how it is. All right. Yeah. Okay. Is there like a particular council, like how we have a strategy? Yeah, it is a house of council. It's a council, actually, which advises the youth and mentors the youths and also try to educate the youths according to the rules and the regulations of law. How law should live, what laws, actually, the culture of law. Totally, we talk about the culture of my tribe and the things we should not do, things we should do. Ah-ha. Yes. I feel like asking some more questions. I just dropped a couple of pearls of wisdom, but that's not why we're here. Yes. Yes, so, where do we start? Let me ask you something off the top of my head. We have been having, it started with El Nino a few months ago. That is, 2023. And for a while, we speculated it was going to be very heavy rains, and the president even came out at some point and said, Mungo Ninani, El Nino is not coming. Yes. If you, I really wish we had that clip, played back. And then El Nino did come, eventually. And something that had a complete budget, speaking for the county that is Nairobi. Yes. Something that had a complete budget and in very big figures, very, very big figures, even with boats and all these other paraphernalia, just to help during that particular season. But we really didn't see anything going on. In fact, what we saw was destruction of all kinds of property and all these other things, right? So, now El Nino came and went, and then now we had sunshine. Just, I'm not a meteor, the people with the weather. I'm not that, I'm not a professional. But now, a few weeks ago, a few days ago, came the flash floods. So, I really don't understand what's happening. Is it that we are not really, I don't know how to say, how to express myself. Are we not really understanding the weather? Is something going wrong? Or are we just not prepared as a people? What do you think is going on? What grounds are you on? First of all, with this maintenance of El Nino, we must, all of us, we must accept that even the weather focus, they are not God. Even those who are doing the budgets for the El Nino, actually to handle the maintenance of El Nino within the Nairobi County, nobody knew the extent of the El Nino, relaying a coup, relay it a coup. So according to me and according to the people on the ground, we see Nairobi actually governor stride all the, all he was, all he can to cap this maintenance of El Nino. According to the budget, which was allocated to El Nino to cap these maintenance, if we see, if we, if we see how the governor has utilized the money, we are even sorry to the governor, he has actually gone to the other pockets. Governors has done a lot to actually counter this El Nino. You see, children, youths have been employed. New machines to unlock the sewage has been bought. And actually the country has stride. We cannot see that, we cannot say, you see the darkness, we remain in the house of the people, we say life that the money has lost, it can work. It is only that I took what we expect, El Nino, it's a new one for you. And the budget for the El Nino, it's a new one. It's around one hundred and fifty million, and by El Nino and Nairobi. Now, if the budget is given by Nairobi to me, it is more than three hundred million. And this money, if it is given by the government, it will be counted by the country El Nino. So far, so good with this issue. I will tell you, it is the same at Kasia, Yatendeka, Kwasababu. No matter how hard it is, even the weather focused themselves. They are not aware, and they cannot be aware. It is only God. And there is no other way to do it. So, I will tell you that it is the same at the house of El Nino, even if the flood is not there, it is not there. Today's estimate, but we are not aware. All right, let me take this moment to issue a disclaimer that all the sentiments that are being expressed here do not reflect those of the station. Facts will remain facts, but again, in Nwendo's sentiments and any other type of feeling that you may feel has been expressed, it does not reflect those of the station. So let me challenge you, sir. There was recently an earthquake in Japan, and after this particular earthquake, there was a warning because of when there's seismic activity and it's really next to a water body, there was a warning, an alert for a possible tsunami. So you see, they possibly did not really plan for the earthquake and its magnitude, but they now took the next step, too, to warn people against a looming tsunami. We are not a first-world country. Japan is a first-world country, so I can, you know, I can close one eye. There's a difference. It took a lot of time. They have their technologies a little bit more advanced than ours. Yes, but it's I think it's a bit rough to say that no one knew or no one could predict because it's a whole department that is supposed to that has been delegated to do this one job. You have only had one job. You only had one job. And what does that have to do with drainage? Why hasn't our drainage been fixed? You know, saying that there's a budget and has been tripled or doubled and we're trying to applaud, again, sentiments, but I'm just asking a question, we're trying to applaud the county government and I do believe they have done something. Yes. But it's ridiculous. It is. But why is drainage still a problem? Flash floods have come. Hopefully they've gone. El Nino has come. And this is, by the way, very double sided. This is like a coin. There's two sides to it. So the agriculture sector is possibly benefiting because of the downpour. Yes, but now we're not able to move properly. You know, a transport is doubling. Not yes, the fuel prices have dropped by what? Five shillings, but now it's even getting harder to move away. You could have moved via foot or you could walk somewhere. Now, because it's impenetrable and now you want us to clap. No, it is not that I want us to clap, but I want us to live in reality. Okay, let's the reality, which is here. Is that nobody knows the amount of rain. Actually, even as I have told you, I have told the nation. Don't you think we cannot plan for the worst case scenario? No, no, no, we cannot. What we can do is a public participation, which the country has done. Before the El Nino start, there was a public participation. Actually, I as chairman of Bungala Wanohenchi, we had public participation. Before even the country recruited the people who are going to oversee the issue of El Nino. We, first of all, get educated through our platform. And you see, it is not for free. The country government cut off on this fee. And again, we cannot say that there is water everywhere in the city because according to the city, how the city was mapped, it has been like that, not only this time. Even during Kideru, during Ladoa, during Kananu, people have been seeing this. Rain is falling again. It is not only this time. And it is not only this time. It is not only this time. If we compare to the other rains, and by the way, it is not just this time. You remember there was the last rain, it was not just this time. It was the last rain in Western hotel. But by now, it is not just this time, it is not just this time. It is not just this time, at least the country government, despite the fact that it is not just this time, it is not just this time. Because above all, there are some incidents we cannot see. And as an example, if there is a rain, it is not just this time, it is not just this time. This time around, I am just here to talk to you. I am not just talking to you. I am just here to talk to you. I cannot say that, but I am not here to discuss something because I am not here. I am here to talk to you. But so far, so good. Because you have been working and you are here to talk to me. You are here to talk to me. They say that you are not here because you are not here because you are not here. But out of a hundred percent, we don't have to pay a government 90% because of Babu who had such kind of big incidents, and by the time he was dead, he would have been killed. But there are incidents where you can bear my witness. All right. I will skip past that a little bit. But I'd like to ask, do you believe that it's a bit dangerous over time for activists to be vocal during this particular season? I don't want to name names again. I'm trying to be very sensitive to these people who are in the limelight saying specific things, but there was a particular lady on ex-formality Twitter, and she was very adamant and he kept even tagging his Honourable Sakaja. But it turned out as the story kept unfolding that she received a couple of threats. Again, I'm really trying to be sensitive with this story, but she was threatened and we have someone else who lost their lives. Again, I don't want to mention their name, but they have been making news by therefore a bit, even in the newspapers. So is it a problem to be vocal about certain things in this time and era? At all, it is not dangerous to be vocal. I want to affirm this to you. Because staying with that being, being vocal in our major world, and there is no such thing as being vocal, and being vocal to the extent of being vocal, because as we've said, there is no such thing as being vocal. There is no such thing as being planted with political enemies. So we cannot say that all these things are a problem. Are these allegations or these are facts? These are allegations. Some of them, most of them are allegations which have not been proven. And we cannot just account that Kitu Kama here, before we know the factual fact about it. And as we know, Kitu Kama is a governor. He has a lot of enemies. He is a leader now. He has been working on this for many years. He has been working on this for many years. And he has been working on this for many years. I think he is a good person. And he is a trend. He has been working on this for many years. Is there a time when there is a policy? It is not something which is being happen at the current moment. You see? So one phase is to become one with the government. One phase is to get loyal, to be successful. To find Kitu Kama, to have this Kitu Kama planted with another opponent. So this is why some cases we had, cases which have been created by the man to gain political marriage. And this is why we are saying that so far so good in Nairobi. We are saying that Nairobi has done a lot in terms of even feeding school children. There were allegations that something was happening, the funds were being siphoned again those were just allegations but you are clearly standing by him. So what I would like to advise the people that we should ignore this mere allegation and focus with the man work and with the things which Nairobi has voted the governor to do for us which we are actually seeing in attendek. So let us just give the governor and his team what we call benefit of doubt in these five years to an emaliate of Kesha so far and on up on 90%. That's very confident of you to say one plus year down the line and you feel already 90% of his promises have been oh wow I like that zest he's keeping. I know. Hashtag is where the word is. Alright let's switch gears a little bit and talk about time like this last week I had a guest from the law society of Kenya so we're talking about when it was really heated what seemed like again seemed allegation seemed seemed like friction between the three arms of a government some of the executive and the judiciary so we went on to explain what the national assembly does what the executive does what it comprises of how many members etc etc I'm quite sure it's up on YouTube and then now we have the judiciary so is there friction or what would you say is going on right now in Kenya? Like now to me as a Kenyan what I can say the part is that there's a there's a political I don't know how I can put it but it happens it happens It happens It happens But I don't know It happens So you should then again in some haswa you see during election and this is not a secret because it's actually went to court to the highest court of the country so they offended people the people who think that in election and they are trying to create what we call seeds of discord between the judiciary and the executive and they want also to bring in the legislative legislator within this war so the president is out to unite the country everybody's aware and everybody's supporting this when the president called for this moment of peace to unite the country to liana the person who lost um i'm not fear to call his name he came out of protocols observed handed the judiciary before even the judiciary speak for itself and by this he come out Kenya to know okay i'm going to be a dealer easily on there easily talk to the letter man i'll be talking to go it a mandu go up on the judiciary open the legislative mojib like it is high time we unite and we support the noble idea of its excellency Dr. G. Ruto unite both the executive judiciary and legislate okay because uh rice who is the head of executive remains the head of the state she's working under his excellency mm-hmm mm-hmm I am under the impression that the opposition's main work is to keep the government of the day in check. Are you alluding to maybe sabotage? And as you answer that question, what does corruption mean to you in all this? To me, corruption, in all this, by the time we are trying to bring confusion when the president called the people to unite, this is an example of corruption, because somebody wants to corrupt himself through this process. They want to tell the people that this is not the right process, this is not the right channel. We have several different kinds of corruption. You can see that there is a lack of money, there is a lack of money, even if it is a small amount of money, that is corruption. Corruption means that somebody wants to corrupt himself, but if somebody wants to corrupt himself, that is not becoming corruption, that is not becoming a corrupt person. If somebody wants to try to corrupt himself, that is not becoming a corrupt person, that is not becoming a corrupt person. So if somebody wants to corrupt himself, that is not becoming a corrupt person, that is not becoming a corrupt person, that is not becoming a corrupt person. So we can call them corrupt people. I would like to understand how you felt when the members of LSK, that is the Lawless Society of Kenya, they took to picketing, that is peaceful protest. Around Friday they passed, not this one, the other one. So how did you feel about that and seeing that it was indeed peaceful, even had police escort? Do you think there was a valid reason for them to, because they went on protest, or they picketed because they felt that His Excellency made sentiments that were not very, I want to say fair, again being very sensitive with the topic and my words. So how do you feel about that particular one? And of course we saw people like His Honour Kalanso Musioka with full regalia. How did you feel about that? Actually it was a total of time wasting. Why would you, that is a very strong sentiment, very strong. Time wasting, because the issue here, which they were demonstrating about, the President, if you go according to what they were demonstrating about, they were demonstrating about the speech of the President. But the President, I would say, he was a judiciary, an executive, and a legislator, he was a judge. He was a judge, he was a judge, he was a corrupt judge. He was a corrupt judge, I would say, the entire judiciary was corrupt, and the President had an opinion about it. I feel like he was talking about it, because it was an neighboring country, it was an neighboring country, and it was a neighboring country, I was a deputy to the Supreme Court, it was a community, so I felt really bad about that. was that corruption, that was corruption. So what was L.S.K., one of the leaders that I'm not an advocate, I can tell you, but I'm not a 3D, so I've filed many cases, including the case of a man being a woman, I think I was the one who took the case, ordered me to report it to the court and we cannot accept that. So the justice system does work. Yes. Okay. Last but not least, how do you feel about the image that is being painted in the international scene? For example, two weeks ago Al Jazeera released a story on Kenya and the headline or the tagline was how his Excellency, the President, was in a row with the judiciary. What do you think that's going to do with our ties or connections abroad? You've seen him going to China, to different places in the world for different conventions, you know, trying to better the economy or development of the economy. And you have such stories. Do you think we're taking 10 steps forward and 25 back or what do you think is happening? Actually, we are taking 25 steps forward because when you see president is visiting this different country, it's lowering for the opportunity for the youths of this country. We cannot rely on only the labor of our own country. We cannot rely on the labor of our own country. We cannot rely on the labor of our own country. Because we are in a state of crisis. We have a lot of conversations. We develop good relationships and we understand that we need to be good at it. We don't want to eventually have to go there to apply and go on like this. Our job is to be good at it. We don't want to go to poverty. It's very important. It's our job actually. We are going to try to do it. We have an opportunity abroad. So the picture that we're painting, this particular friction, or alleged friction between the judiciary and the executive, that is just water under the bridge. That's actual water under the bridge. Okay. Yeah, let us just go away with that one. Okay. Yeah. I like your confidence in the way you speak. So Mr. Lawoyogi, thank you so very much for coming. Thank you for being my guest. Unfortunately, we have to cut this conversation short. I will personally invite you for a lengthier conversation at another time. Is that okay? Although I might have to ask the administrator, hi, please, admin, please confirm or deny this particular case in point at 554 Facebook, 554 channel on X, 554 underscore channel on the ground. My name is Valentine or at Colour Me Val concluding a riveting conversation with myself and Mr. Lawoyogi. Thank you once again and please I implore you do not leave because we still have so much more for you. 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