 Let me ask you about Charlie Murphy. Like when you first seen him, cause I know it had to hurt you being a child of history. When you seen him, it was on, it was on, was it on Empower? Where did we see him when he, he had started losing weight? Was that on, that was on, it was on Empower or Empower? Where was it at? I don't remember the story. It was on Empower. But you could see him in those episodes and you knew that he was going through that health and it was, it was very quiet with his illness. But anybody behind the scenes would know. So, yeah. So that's, you know. So you knew about it way before? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I knew that he was sick and then, but then they kept it even, you know, they kept a real low key. We didn't know, nobody knew that it was terminal. Yeah, we on Boss Talk 101, 101. Yeah, we gonna talk. So that's how comedy came about. I moved from the East Coast to the West Coast cause my family moved out there. Okay. So when I moved to the West Coast, it was, you know, when you grew up in New York, you know, people think that, right? New Yorkers are just cocky and arrogant. It's not that. You go to New York. Well, look, if we take you here, even here or Arizona, they don't know what a Jamaican is. They know the island for vacation. New York have it everywhere. But I was dating Caribbean women, Guyanese, Jamaican. You go out to Arizona, that's where I ended up moving to. You don't learn that. You don't learn, but you don't know anything about a Jamaican. You don't know anything about curry chicken and that great food, you know, you learn that. You learn that on the New York side, on the big city side. So when I did that, I would see how they treat whites and Mexicans. They, like the whites really shitted on Mexicans in Arizona. And it was not, it wasn't a prejudice. It was kind of a, it was a self-ignorance of not wanting to know the difference. And I don't, I don't fault people for that. You know, there's those people, KKK people, they believe in that. But when you take, you know, you move around the country, you don't realize that the reason why we're so divided, it's not that we're divided, it's what we grow up to know. Some things are embedded in that. And I've learned that in comedy. I go to different cities. Right now I'm the only Hispanic comic, right? And I say Hispanic, because it's different than Mexican. But I'm the only Hispanic comic on the urban circuit that travels and works with the comics that I do. That's what I was gonna ask you, like, how did you even get to, how did you know that you could appeal to the crowds that you appeal to? Because I grew up in New York. That New York comedy, some of the, you know, some of the OGs, talent, Rob Stapleton, A.G. White, you know, Mike Troy, these guys out of New York, they were some of the pioneers. They were on the Def Jambs, they were on the Bad Boys of Comedy. Can you travel with some of these people? Well, I grew up in comedy, but I had to come back to them. Because I started in Arizona because I wanted to be funny, and I love those guys. Who was the first person you went on tour with? My first person, the first person I went on tour ever on the road with was Charlie Murphy. Charlie Murphy and Wild Rest in Peace. Charlie Murphy, Rest in Peace. Why did you even link with Charlie? Well, Charlie's family, so if you know about the Murphy's, Eddie and Charlie grew up in Roosevelt, New York. I grew up in Uniondale, New York. Their cousin Rich went to school with my younger brother, and I knew Uncle Ray, Rest in Peace, Uncle Ray. Uncle Ray, I met, because that was community-based. So I knew Uncle Ray was Eddie's uncle, and then Uncle Ray was in all Eddie Murphy movies. He always had cameos and roles. And I got my first opportunity from Rich to perform with Charlie. And then... You learned a lot from him. Well, you know, I just learned, I just, you gotta be a student of the game. You know, we was having this conversation about why older comics don't respect. Right. It's not that we don't respect them. It's hard for, that's like in any profession, right? So you guys have a podcast, right? And however long you've been having it. Two years. We've only been around two years. So now if there's somebody that had a podcast that's been doing it for 10 years, might be like, oh, y'all a baby. Y'all already been doing it two years, you guys having... So that's how it is with comedy. In the beginning, I thought, I was funny. I used to do a lot of, try to do skit comedy. I used to wear outfits. I always had to come out to music, but I was so attracted to, I grew up in a minority community. So I was always into diversity because I knew whites, I knew blacks, I knew Hispanics, but we just saw each other together as growing up. So in comedy, that's how it really is. So I used to fly from Arizona to New York on my own dime, just to do shows and open mics in New York. Cause that's a hard crowd. You know, cause if I do it on the West coast, I'm doing, I call it chancleta. That's the George Lopez of comedy. That's that Mexican comedy. I don't know what that is. Yeah. You know, I was... So your comedy changes depends on what city you're going to. Well, how you grow up. Well, my comedy. Yes, your comedy. Well, there's comedy, like I can do mainstream. Mainstream is white comedy. Yeah. You do that with white folks and what they like to listen to. You know, then you do urban comedy, urban comedy. You gotta know, you know, like people, you know, I say it to me, it's not disrespectful. I grew up with it. You know, I'm like, yo, my nigga, what's up? But that's how Puerto Ricans are. Puerto Ricans are light-skinned black people. That's how I grew up. You know, my wife, all my kids are half black. My wife, my ex-wife and my wife are black. You know, so I grew up, you know, that diverse learning that, you know? Then urban comedy, to me, I grew up with the Def Jam era. I grew up with the, you know, my mentors was always, you know, Red Fox, Eddie. Man. You know, you know, those sitcoms, you know? So I networked to do urban comedy. Then I would meet some of the, you know, all these comics that are, I call them the real comics, because I'm like, you know, of course, I travel with great and perform with great comics, but the real comics are the ones that pay they rent doing comedy, doing $50 shows, doing three shows a night in different parts of the city, five nights a week just to pay their rent, you know? And they're funny, but they don't really ever make it to that point where they can do a weekend in these comedy clubs, because it's a whole political thing. Let me ask you about Charlie Murphy, like when you first seen him, cause I know it had to hurt you being a child of history. When you seen him, it was on, it was on, was it on Empower? Where did we see him when he, he had started losing weight? Was that on, that was on, it was on Empower? Empower, where was it at? I don't remember the show. It was on Empower. But you could see him in those episodes and you knew that he was going through that health. And it was very quiet with his illness, but anybody behind the scenes would know. So that's, you know. So you knew about it way before? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I knew that he was sick, but then they kept it even, they kept a real low key. We didn't know, no one knew that it was terminal. Cause they just kept that really hush-hush. So then I moved on, actually he took me off the road. He did. Because he had another comic that was opening for him as regular guy and he and I was a little similar. Then we ended up doing the show. We ended up back in Phoenix and I was gonna create, you know, like I didn't know, you got to, and I won't say that this is really what happened, but you got to know your role when you're opening comedian. Yeah, yeah. The show is not for me. My job is strictly to open up the crowd to get ready for the headline. Get them warmed up. Yeah, and that's hard for him. But you learned that over time, right? You learned how to deal with it over time. Because that's the way, there's etiquette to this. You know, that's why comics that have come up the long way, they struggle with some of these comics that want to get that instant fame. There's no such thing as instant fame. You got to be funny wherever you are. Yeah, we on boss talk one on one, one on one. Yeah, we gonna talk.