 Wel i chi'n trffu peolio, yw ddechrau'n ffordd, ond mae'n cwrdd lleidwyr Cymru, lleidwyr 1421 pen, yn ddau'r ffordd yng Ngheirwyrraeth Cymru. Yn y twerfodd? Yn y twerfodd. Rwyf yn ddweud, dwi'n gweithio yng nghyddur yma. Mae'n ddweud. Felly'n gweithio, dwi'n gweithio, dwi'n gweithio. Dwi'n gweithio, dwi'n gweithio. I think, because for so long in the game, it felt like we were going to get beaten anyway, it was only a momentary bit of euphoria. I mean, what a moment of euphoria. And then when it went into penance, it became evident mode, didn't it? You know, you didn't, I didn't really think we were going to win the pens because we're evident. Well, we've got such a horrific penalty sheet out there. We're not last year in this competition. Even though we had probably four, five, six really good penalty takers on the pitch. You know, Shintosyn's took pens, like Bane's took pens, Dominic Havins took pens, Moise Keane's took pens. Oh, Gates was the best, I'll tell you. We have played on the pitch, you could take the pens. But now, it was, you'd have to have a little bit of realism, don't you? When you've just played two games and you've played really hard and you really don't have that much of a squad, you've got a couple of the under-23s on the bench and they're not there for the experience of it because we really need them. You've got to stand back and go, well, you're playing the team second in the league as well and clear second in the league and they can tinker with their team. So it was what it was, it was disappointing in the end, but unfortunately it just came right at the wrong time, but that's normally the league up, isn't it? I mean, we were without eight players and a child, didn't we? Yeah, it was a game too far last night. There were a lot of the players out there that you could see. You could see the way they even set it up, they just looked tired from the minute going. Once your head's telling you you're tired and then it's hard to get yourself back into that game mode where Leicester looked a lot sharper, passing the ball around a bit better in the first 20, 30 minutes. They had a lot of control of the game and... Yeah, it was just... I mean, there was not much he could do, but there was one change from Sunday, which was enforced. Llywka Dyn, obviously, groin into the keep-n-him. Al Leighton Bains, who played really well on Sunday, came in. O ddod y nari, he went with pretty much the change, right? Do you think he had... Do you think he could have changed anything last night in terms of... You know, is it... It's a quarter final of a cup, he can't really... Cos I've seen a couple of people say, you know, right or wrong, we've said, maybe he should have just brought in a couple of players, maybe he should have started out and he'd go over, maybe he should have, I don't know, maybe play Shentos, you know, whatever. Just in terms of, well, there's a game saturday, then there's a game Thursday, then there's a game Saturday, and we don't know what we're going to get back in the next couple of weeks, and... You know, it is a cup game, but it's just a cup game. Or was it a quarter final at home, and you've got to take it seriously? I think it was too big a game to make risky choices, and to be honest, because I think... We've tinkered with the team in this competition, and people down all these levels, I wish I wouldn't have taken this cup seriously. I'm quite sure had Sid a being figured and being fit, one of them would have played, if not both of them, both would have played because Seamus was playing with Painkillers. But who's to say that they're not really close to playing, and the fact that they didn't play is so that they're 100 per cent for Shatty? Do you know what I mean? And Delph might be ready for the squad, Shatty, so... For all we know, Duncan might have gone last night and said, well, I'll play the same team, because actually, these players need an extra couple of days, and what's the point in throwing them in? And then having some players who are... All players who are like 80, 70, 70, 80 per cent, when actually, if I wait till Shatty, I could have three players who are like 90 per cent, 100 per cent, and I can throw them in. That's what I'm... I feel like the only one he could have maybe done was put them a charlaser, maybe to the right and put them in a different striker up top, or maybe, but the charlaser had been playing so well up there, so that was the only one I would have potentially done, but it's who you're bringing up, really, isn't it? But, supposly, the lads themselves played well Sunday and got a result, so it's a flip of a coin job, isn't it? You're right, Leicester started. I mean, we had that moment after a couple of minutes, where Tionni Evans tried to be clever with a pack heather and the charlaser, and Tau Pauwg, they passed, Tshmai, he'll not much he could do, he'd done well to get in there. And then, other than that, for the first 20, 25 minutes, Leicester just controlled it, didn't he? We just looked tired, they had the extra man in midfield. And it showed. We couldn't get near them, because I think if you play in a game a week, it's all right, I think if everyone would have had a week's rest and played that formating against them, they'd have got a lot closer, cos Chelsea played with the extra man in midfield, and we were all over them with that energy and that. Teams we played against as well, they've been too... Well, three difficult games, cos these are the good, the second, so they're full of confidence, they made three changes. It's not like we've been playing Southampton or Leicester, we've been playing United and Chelsea and they're high pressing games. Of course, we've played Leicester Liverpool, Chelsea, Man United, all on their own. So we've had no blow-off, we suppose, if you look at it like that, like you said, they made three changes today, so they still had the eight of the start and eleven who've been smashing teams every week playing, and the confidence. But they didn't really do anything either, they had one chance with Perez, which he probably should have done better, he flashed over. And then he got a goal from, again, poor defence, poor defence, by Madison was on his own, it did, I think it deflected back into his path and he finished it well, you know, such and in the corner of the net. And then that just gave them that belief then. And we just couldn't get any energy to respond, could we in that first quarter of that? I think the difference was, is that maybe in the last couple of games, he's been quite aptly for the defence to have the ball and sit deep, whereas because they moved it round midfield, really effectively, it meant Holgate and Tom Davis were just running round and getting dragged around. And for the first 20 minutes, that's what they did, they were really patient in their build-up, but what they're really good at is going from slow to fast really quickly. With Vard your front, you effectively got two players, because he moves so fast, he's moving so good, and he's always willing to run after it. So suddenly, you centre-backs a face with this one player, but it's like having two, you've got five midfielders, and we just don't run all over the pitch and we're not having the legs. And I think the goal as well, if we took the lead, it refreshes you to get you going, whereas you go behind, like you said, you start feeling tired, they were knocking the ball round well, just because we couldn't get near them, different formations or whatever. They're good at mixing it out, you can tell they're good at mixing it out. They're a team that's played pretty much the same way since the manager came in. They all know the jobs, they've kept most of that team fifth for that period of time, so they know what they're doing, and they do it well. And it proved, whereas we're a team that's got eight players missing from the squad, and are just running on empty a little bit, because of the short amount of players, I'm still trying to be just complete. It is mad though when you look at, again, where the two clubs have gone like that in the last 12 months, isn't it? It is, and it's a little bit of a chance, but it's the things like the injuries, it's like how they brought the manager in, and he's galvanised him, he's got them fit, he's got them playing a certain way, suddenly play it. I mean, you look at Johnny Evans and you think for £3.5 million, why did we not go in? We should have been all over that, that kind of transfer they made, that kind of transfer we didn't. And you look at the players, and it's mad, isn't it, when you're doing well, you don't seem to get injuries, and players are fresh, and you can drop one out and put one in, and yet everything seems to have gone against us this season. You know, we just seem to be kicked. We have been kicked everywhere this season. No, I don't mean physically by teams, I mean by every bit of rubber digreen and looking where have your injuries, but then, you know, Lester, you give it a little corner away. We lost the ball in the middle of the park from a sloppy ball, and then we should have dealt with it, and we ended up getting a corner, and it was a needless corner, because we should never have got to that stage. With them by Madison Vard, he makes a great run, flips it on, and Evans has got a tapping on the goal line, and you're two down. What I thought was interesting, though, was the crowd. I thought the crowd, in general, stayed with the team, even when it went to the 2-0, where there's a month ago. Can you imagine the boos when that second went in? I mean, don't get me wrong, can I just stress as well? They were wearing some dickheads in our garden last night. But they will be. No, but genuinely, the only thing to stress at this point is that they wear people, and there were people I had not seen around me, and they could have had to sleep before, so maybe they were just people who come for the cup game. But getting on players' backs after like five minutes for not nonsense. Knowing how, but for not chasing and harrying every ball, like they weren't tired, like they weren't told to drop off their centre backs because they left the centre backs after the ball. It's just like... Do me a favour, shut up. Two or three of them are playing with injuries. We know Sheamus Coleman has to have injections at the moment for his rib. Tom Davis was playing with an injury. Bernard, he's just come back. I mean it, I mean it, there's a lot of it. It's not a hundred per cent fifth. Four gates playing centre midfield. People are playing. Three centre backs, four forwards, one centre midfielder. People are playing through to give everything. When I stressed that was just... I'm just having a little... I had a few people around me who just wound me up because I just thought, these lads, you can say whatever you want for the whole season, but these lads in the last few games have run through a bit of course. They have given every time. And there's only... We've had a lot of new players and yet people are getting on the cases. So when we went to... I'm glad when we went to and I didn't get it. I'm delighted it didn't get... It's funny if they were going to score a second goal. It was probably better they did score at that point in the middle of the second half, if that makes sense, because they sort of just went, sound too new, and sort of took their foot off again. And they cut off if they really wanted that point to have gone, let's go for more. No, I really did think they took their foot off. At the end, at the middle of that, and they scored that second goal to the end of the first half, they just sort of went, that's fine, because we were still all over the place in terms of chasing. And it wasn't really until we got to that last time that we changed it up and made those decisions. I thought, he made that tactical change, though they didn't need that whole gate to sit deep for that last 20 minutes of the first half, and they didn't really have anything. They hadn't had anything up to the goal. That's some change, so I don't know whether I quite subscribed to that, but we had the chance right on half-time that we'd been at a clever three-kick, great ball in Jeremy Neeson has to score. John is home with the goalkeeper. Keeper makes a good shape, but he's got to score that. Do you know what Jeremy Neeson is actually terrible at heading? He's great defensively. He's actually terrible at heading. Every time I've seen him head the ball towards goal, you could fire a cannonball at his head, and it'd come off his head, and I don't know whether he's got an extra layer of tissue. Everything that comes off, it's like that hippo in that duck in that avatre. It just goes... Oh, do you know what he does is? Do you know what he does is? He goes to... Like the greys off his head, like he goes... Like he's seven in the playground. Which is weird, cos he hadn't done that in his whole career. No, well... One-seventh... One-seventh on my head. Nothing would be the same. He'd gone, checked out from a player. Yeah, so that was probably our best opportunity in the first half. We went in two-nil down again, the half-time whistle, a couple of membranes, but there was nothing nearly, you know, compared to... We got booed off the half-time against Norwich, like really loud, whereas that last night, I thought the fans stayed with her in general. I thought the streets ended well, they tried to get them going. And you know, the manager made a change in the half-time. Moise Keen, after his counseling, that he needed according to a lot of people, was brought on in the half-time. He moved... Strangely, he moved... Dom out to the left, but Dom will do the job. You see, for me, in the first half, the real issue was... I couldn't get enough men close to them in the middle of the park, but that front-four done nothing. Dom done nothing in the first half. Charleson done nothing. I'm not saying he didn't run it on, but he was so ineffective. Neither of them could keep hold of the ball. And Bernard and a Wobie just kept giving the ball away. You know, and we got to half-time in the manager. You know, all credit to Duncan, you know, tactical change, 4-3-3, push a Wobie in side. I thought a Wobie would go off to be honest, but he took Bernard, pushed a Wobie in... Pushed a Wobie in field, put Dom out to the left for Charleson to the right, but they play a more narrow 4-3-3 and Moise Keen through the middle. And you know what? It worked. We were a lot better in the second half. Got in the game. Moise Keen put himself about, pleased with him. He didn't have a great game, but he put himself about and ran around, was competitive. Dom started winning every other in the air. You know, spring, and his jump is incredible, isn't it? For Dom's second half, it was really good. He was, that's what I'm saying. Did he see Ronaldo's goal last night? No, but so much better. Clearly he'd been watching Dom, clearly he'd been studying types. Of Dom's third jump, like Dom. I believe he got... I've seen a headline saying it's ridiculous how I got up. That's what Dom does. The fact that he's in the air, doing the game. Just waiting. Just waiting. Just jumping. It seemed to be like looking for a bit for him. But now Dom started winning his battle in the air, and they were on the back foot then. The only real chance is they had, because by us, really. They had the one on one that pick that made a decent save. And then they had one where Sheamus thought he could beat Vardy in a foot race. Vardy just went seal, he did a little back heel and he bent it on to the bar. And, yeah. A couple of little half chances didn't he, but... Michael Keane. I mean, before we talk about the positive stuff, let's just talk about Michael Keane. Because you just reminded me of that moment in the second half, which totally just left me flabbergasted as to how a six foot four inch centre half can be just nudged onto his backside when he's in total control of the situation. I just didn't understand what his performance last night. I thought the last 20 minutes he got his act together, but... it's no good. I mean, Joe's poor ear what's happened to him since last season. First season he came in, started alright, got injured and then was terrible for the rest of it. With no confidence. Last season he had a very good season. I thought it was all season. All season it was very good. And this season he started the first couple of games okay. Went away with England and since the England game when he gave that goal away, it's like his confidence is like an eggshell. It's just one little touch and that's it. It's gone. It's literally gone. And he's never been able to get any kind of form or any. And I think last night he just looked petrified of Fardy. His confidence is a big issue because he's obviously a confidence player. I look at that picture of him and I think to myself you need to have a personal trainer as well. I don't think he's fit. When I say fit, you just said he got pushed off the ball. There's no strength in him. And he's 26. He seems to be like someone who needs, if he got, I don't know, he just seems like he needs some bit of, not bulk, but muscular. The core strength. Go vegan. I've got a six pack on Dominic. I mean, maybe that's it. Mason's like that in the gym. He's not doing it for the faulty. He's doing it for the princesses in Dubai. I don't... He's not aggressive enough. I've said this since day one. Number one. He's so nice. There's no anger in him. He's not actually a proper defender. I've said this for ages. He doesn't smell danger. And I don't know whether that's an experienced thing, but he doesn't... I watched Johnny Evans, and Johnny Evans is the kind of player that we really would love at Evan. He's just timid. Last season, I think the fact that he had the young, he had like, zoom in next room. And this is a problem as well. That's why I said he has felt this, is him and Mina are the same kind of centre back. When you play centre back, one of them's got to have pace. Got to? That's whether it's a modern game or whatever. The ability, when the ball goes over to what I'm going, and it seems to be him who's the one who's... Jesus Christ. He goes over his head, and then Pickford's standing on his line, playing, bleeding, Pokemon or something. So the goalie's not helping him either, because the goalie needs to be higher. And this has been a problem since he came in when Cooman was the manager, he's not having that pace, he's not having the ball over the top. And we did get rid of that last season with Zoom, especially the second half of the season. But I just think there's a lot of reasons why he's... I think the number one thing, though, is too timid. No, I agree. There's no, like you said before, no nastiness in him. There's no wanting to win his battle. He's got to head in the ball away and clearing it on the edge of his box defending. If he has to step up, straight ball seems to take him out again. Once straight, which is bizarre, cos that should be the most simple thing you can do as a centre back. And I think the one that really just made... It did shock me was when he was running with Vadi, and Vadi just leaned into him and he went, like as if he'd knocked a little kid over. But again, that's Vadi showing his nasty side of work. But he's got a match there. But he doesn't, unfortunately. To be fair to him on that, Vadi is horrible, but in all the best ways. And now what I'm just going to say is that Vadi's the kind of player that has got that will to win, that very few players, like a Tim Kale. The kind of will to win that you need. If you're going to elevate yourself from a level to get to the very top, which Vadi has, you've got to have that in him. He's come from the bottom. I think when you're running a page... He's not technically brilliant. Cos I think if Vadi is though, if you're fast and you've got a bit of that, you're trying to keep up with them and you haven't got that and someone leans into him. I don't know if Mina would even try to run with them, but no, he wouldn't have. But the point being is he wouldn't have. Mina's like... Root of Disney. He just seems wobbly. The fucking news of ads. It's hard to describe. We were saying before. In the position he plays, I always believe a goalkeeper and you centre off, so they're the positions where you need the most confidence in your team. Obviously the strikers, they score the goals, but we know strikers go through bad patches sometimes. But when you centre off in a team... Cos you're the goalkeeper. The matter is the baromest, all the dice wanted to get it. He had his card marked. He knew what takes a defender. That's what I knew about Johnny Evans. I remember at the time we should go for Johnny Evans for £3.5 million. But Johnny Evans, see, Johnny Evans is the kind of player... He's Steve Walshwood, I got him, but Johnny Evans is the kind of player who probably doesn't have that pace anyway. But he's got the experience and he's always in the right place at the right time. He's a bit nasty. He doesn't put himself... See, he wouldn't know you to want the straight ball. That comes from just judging where the... Looking where the ball's coming and being able to read just quickly. The problem with him is he'll probably stand there and see that ball and then doesn't know how to get himself. He'll go backwards, doesn't know... Can't move himself quick enough. Some like Johnny Evans is... They have that starting position where they're going to attack the ball. Where he starts... I just think he's flat-footed. But he puts himself in a position where he's trying to deal with something else rather than dealing with what's actually going to happen. Johnny Evans will take four steps back. John Terry's going to take four steps back and go, I'm attacking this ball. From a deeper position, he seems to get caught high up and then have to go back, and it's that hard. Especially when you're centre forward... One's gone, one way and one's gone the other. He always seems to... He was caught out three or four times. He was caught out at United early on on Sunday with the straight ball and James got back. He was caught out last night. We didn't give them a lot of space in behind. It's just why Bardi wasn't really effective in the game or didn't work in that. But it was just that one, just worried me in it. It's the hesitation that he showed. I've never known a centre after that. The ball bounces much better. It doesn't deal with... You can see me in it sometimes. It just goes through the water. It'll just defend face-on-shine. It's like a proper defender. He's got a sure command as well. Totally an air kicker clearing the ball last night like he did. But in general, he goes and meets the ball. He gets rid of it. He's got no worries about welling it out for a throw. There's a nervousness there. I think there's a nervousness. It rubs off on every Bardi. He's not good enough. It's as simple as that. There's a player in there, but because of his confidence and there's nervousness around it, he's not good enough. I think, honestly, the quicker we get you to run the better. I genuinely believe that. I don't understand what we can do with him. I've said it for a long time. About 140. I always think maybe barely was maybe his level. It's a system. It's a system. You know what you're doing. You're drilled to do one thing. You might have the full back covering you or whatever. It's suited him. But I feel like when you play for someone like Bardi, it doesn't matter if you boot the ball at a place where they're throwing. No, because they... They're set up on a low block. They defend on the edge of the penalty area and they have two shit midfielders just right in front of them. And all's your job is to do is to head things away and clear things away. And he always had someone like Ben Meen next to him who was quick and could get around them as well. This problem will be sorted out when we sign Cula Bally. Let's not worry about it. Yeah, okay. At that moment, just blew me mind where he was shoved off. But listen, it is what it is. Duncan, like you said, that changed it up. A Wobie had gone inside. Another talking point? Is Alex a Wobie because... I like Alex a Wobie. That's a bit of a talk point. I like Alex a Wobie, I really do. I think he's been decent for us this season. I think in a more settled team I think he'd be better as well. I think he can create things for us. But at the moment, and particularly last night, he was terrible. He tried, he ran around, I wouldn't say he was walking around, not interested because he was very interested. He just didn't have a very good game. He's been playing. I think on the left-hand side, if he has to play wide, he can kind of get away with it when he's got someone like Luca Deane overlapping and he can come inside with the ball. But on the right, because Seamus, maybe if Sidderby had been there, he'd have worked slightly better. Because Seamus doesn't do 90-yard doggies anymore and he's injured as well. He's just not sharp enough. And I think this has come back. This has been so evident since Duncan Ferguson took over. But he's asking the team to run more hard work harder and the running on empty now, because three games in, they've put everything into it and he looks sharp at the final. I don't know what I'd say is, I don't think he's a left midfielder, right for a start. Or a right midfielder. I don't think he's fit. When I say I don't think he's fit, just a look on him and again, he's one of these players that think he's come in. He comes straight in off holiday from the African Nations holiday. Straight into Everton, straight into the team. Don't think he's fit. I don't think he's adjusted to the team. That's another thing people gotta remember. He's only been at the club four months and he's already into his second manager. He's not playing in his proper position. My problem with him is he gives the ball away far too much like there is in a consequence. I've said this before, in the last two games, people have told me how hard he's worked but my argument has been he keeps on giving the ball back to the opposition, so what does it really matter? People can say the Charleston gives the ball away more or Don gives the ball away. They give the ball away in the final third and high up and they're trying to create things. He's given the ball away but he's given it away in the middle of the park. It doesn't matter where you can. You can't be a centre of field there if you give the ball away. He's an attack in the field there isn't a lot in the centre of field. But he's given the ball away. It doesn't matter what he is or where he plays. He's given the ball away. We've seen it against space this is what Arsenal fans warned us of is that his performances are erratic. He has some good games and he has some poor games but when he's poor he's terrible. I think he's another one who, don't get me wrong, he's been wore down as well I think and he's probably played more than he played at Arsenal as well so he's playing more, he's not fit he's getting wore down by every game he's probably been used to it. I know he hasn't started every game obviously he's been on the bench at times but I think he's another or like when this winter break-ons they just get them running for a couple of weeks because I just generally think the levels of fitness in this team are abysmal and I think that's been I think we've shown that more than anything in the last couple of weeks. It's been all different tactics hasn't it? Well we'll play with the ball and we'll be the one commanding the ball but it's great to do that but you have to run as well in the first half but the players still run around Liverpool run around, Manchester City run around the best teams run around Everton to be fair people have been questioning how fit we were there's a few players in that team he's not fit but he had nothing else the pre-season is a garbage he's saying this for years the garbage, never mind the results it's the way players just coast through them they're just pre-season they're rubbish You can tell with good sides winning a lot of games in pre-season and you can see the shape Everton, we almost seem to ghost through pre-season games and just go it doesn't matter it's next week when it matters and we've been guilty of saying that and it's right results wise it does only matter when the season kicks off but by the same token and Crystal Palace will bow to that 0-5 in pre-season but in general, good sides win a lot of pre-season games because the good sides and they're up to a level where for how many pre-seasons on the run do Everton but it's almost this idea it's almost this idea now that you only get them sort of half fit for the season start and then it'll take care and it doesn't work like that the best teams at the ground run on the run because they're fit but he did give the ball away but I think in general where he's playing and what he's trying to do it's the same argument I have for Tom Davis that he's trying to make things happen so we will give it away more than others but that wasn't really what I was saying about last night it was the thing you even said before it was like he was getting knocked off the ball and his decision making I don't mind if he's trying to thread balls through to the Charles nuts, the Moise Keen or to Dominick getting cut out because they had the risk passes and if they come off you're in on goal seeing you know David Bentley doing it for Lester last night Madison giving the ball away a lot and trying to thread Vardian and we were intercepting, I don't mind that from players but it's when you give the ball away like you say cheaply or it's a pass that isn't even on or you're running into danger and that's tiredness your decision making goes with tiredness the tiredness it is, it does come down to fit all of these things come they're not bad footballers I need to pivot on before we even like sometimes we were quite linked with them and he was going his numbers are brilliant, he transitions the ball and I was like fine I've got no problem I didn't really have a problem with him signing them but it is that sharpness you don't become a bad player but you've got to get yourself into you've got to have that in yourself though I think we've seen some players in the last few games excel when I say the likes of Dominick Harvill Mason Hallgate people who are fit, who look fit, who take care of themselves have been able to stay in game like at Dom last night there's not like a hint of tiredness in them Mason Hallgate is not a hint of tiredness in them they just look and some people don't get me wrong some people are more naturally fit than other people and they both look naturally fit lads who do the extra work they are woke up to another one he does it as well, he does it, he's professional he just seems to have this attitude of I've done my training and I can go home and I'm not saying that's a wobby by any means but some people do seem to have that thing of I've done my training and I can go home now some people are like I need to do the extra we just he's the alternate one he decided when he was about 13 he was going to do the extra I don't know if a wobby is doing that I don't know listening to his tolerance levels of tiredness or whatever I just think as a team we're just not as fit as we should be and all that's happened last night for me is we're down to bare bones and even hand themselves into the ground and that sharpness wasn't there in the first half I think coming back to what Pad just said there about a wobby as well he never really had that continuous game time at Arsenal when you play three, four games on the bounty you've got to build your legs up and then out for a couple or coming off the bench a lot so you just wonder where he's getting used to being a starter being a starter again which he hasn't really had in his career it's football I remember when he came to Godderson on his debut that time he looked what were you saying there about a professional big lad strong quick it's just the sharpness it's sharpness but he looks like the last couple of games I've trained around but moving around probably doesn't help a lot he's on the left one week, the right one week the centre they're all doing a job for the team because the team is where it is but all that being said we got ourselves back in the game footballing from the Charleston and the lovely volley from Trond Davies who hadn't had a good game either he'd run around but he wasn't one of his better games but competed but he's a lovely volley into the back of the net crowd started bouncing and we got a head of steam straight away then we had a Moise Keane shot that deflected wide we had one, he'd run down the wing done well but a great crossing and Don just couldn't get over it he had it just couldn't get over it and the belief was there and that was ultimately something I took from from the game more than anything else it's just that for so long we've sat here and gone, well when we go on they'll be on the games over and there's no response two things I come away from Godderson last night I think it was I that managed managed to get a response from the players at half time we were 2-0 down it was a bit flat we come out and we had a right good go and the second was the team carried on going and going and going despite being tired and the energy from the crowd Can I add a third on to that tactically we made the change tactically we made again I don't care what anyone says about Duncan Ferguson but tactically last night we made the change that worked he's been brilliant for everyone he's been absolutely brilliant anyone wants to say, I've seen someone before going what don't want to come and do what don't want to come and do on the left it's actually having a very effective game because what we did then is play angled balls for him to flick on to any way having to defend in their 18 year box all of a sudden Don winning it from an angle because you can't you're never really going to hit a straight ball down a pitch because if you flick it on the goalkeepers so if you diagonally and you can knock it down and what it did was Moise Keane started running off them and Johnny Evans had to go back and back and back and they had to bring on Shonku or whatever his name is It's funny you say that I watched it again this morning and when Duncan saw them bringing a third bringing a third centre back on he actually turned round to them and said they were going to bring a third centre back on getting over striker so I think that's when he brought and then stuck to four so he is one of those man he knows what he's doing Duncan he's tactically very cool it's not just his passion you can't just stand on it maybe one off game but he's got three games he's a thinker so we're going the two one down put them under pressure it looks as though Colman went down in a box and John Moss went like that and everyone shared he was a penalty but he gave a goal kick but then we get the goal in injury time or Bains is running there's not much on and he decides to just leather it and it's taking him back years and it's top corner wonderful you know Godderson just he rups with noise that we haven't had for a while it was you know everyone's bouncing and then we go and get another corner Antony Gordon he come on he's done alright he's done an arm put tackles in got himself a corner and I'm thinking it's a touch on this it's over and it fizzed right away it got a flick on and went right away across the box and it's little moments like that where sometimes for other teams not that far away it would have hit someone and gone in or dropped and it just didn't it went across but the referee blew the whistle and you know it's a flip of a coin then isn't it well if you're ever you know you're out on penalties but the game's drawn isn't it the game's drawn I mean not everyone wants to take from the game it's too nil barn to make it too soon I guess the team is a second in the league and in some parts of the game we had no right to come back and we did and then it's a different competition then it's a penalty competition it's completely out of the hands of the manager we had enough players on the pitch good penalties to take it Shane Towson's took pens Lane Bain's took pens Dominic Cavallun's took pens Moise Keane I would imagine Jordan Pickford there's one in Scotland for England I think he's confident in it as well I don't think he'd have had any bother trading so they step up Pickford saves and you're thinking oh my god we could save this round here it is good from the spot then unfortunately then we lose the momentum because Towson listen Bain's missed one as well but I couldn't quite understand this because the goalie he's done the step and then the goalie went that way and he still kicked it that way there was a whole side of the goal that he could have just put it into or hit it down in the middle Bain steps up to us and it's just as bad they've bent them to the keeper Dominic Cavallun is a good penalty to take to save it he's also wind up mate I know a lot of people have issues with what he did but I don't because I like all that and if the opposition does stuff like that Pickford coming out and I don't know, whatever I know people have a problem but I always think well what if it happened the other way I had a problem because none of our players reacted to me I had to just smash the ball at him but when he was standing there I would have tapped it in knocked it in and go to the referee it's your responsibility to have him on his line not mine or throw the ball at him wind him up and especially with the last penalty if I was Pickford as Vardy's about to run had a gysgon and gone what's the ref going to do what's the worst he can do you've got to build the pressure but we didn't less the trucks and go penalties unfortunately they scored theirs and we didn't and it was done and it's more hard break another glory defeat but you've got to look at it and go from a team perspective they showed fight didn't they they haven't done this season as well they haven't come back in any real game so they have to chew down and I think that's why a lot of people like Pedd just saying there before at the very start they weren't coming away from the game I wouldn't say upset they were coming away more thinking we would have lost that at least four or five years ago now they've got a bit of mental toughness back in themselves they've got a stand on their way not a stand on their way but they've got clapped off the pitch when we scored there was so much of euphoria when we scored that equaliser but I think when it goes straight into penalties some people didn't know it was penalties and then you get the general sense of we've been here before we know how this ends but as you said it doesn't really ever happen for us does it it's the idea of both ways scoring and equalising and going on and winning or even the other way being too nil up dropping to 2-2 and then we would have gone on and lost the penalties cos that's just what we do but ultimately you need plays you can step up and I don't the most important penalty was Towson's one the pressure's lifted though on them isn't it I told Baines Baines wasn't a good pen but I'm saying your first one when you goalie saved it you have to take your chance unfortunately Baines put us there didn't he put us into the penalty it is what it is isn't it and we'd have all took it with 10 minutes left if someone mother said have a penalty shoot up now you'd have bit the hand off like we said it's a case of a case of what might have been but just very quickly on him 35 in because of an injury to Luca Deane I thought he had quite a decent game I think it showed in the first half he was 35 he got a second win didn't he do you think that was more about him knowing that he probably didn't have the legs to go up and down again so soon after both of them she conserved at least he knows she must doesn't know she must doesn't know that's his first start so it's going to it's easier coming off the bench as a 35 year old boy oh no walls it was 3 days later and he went off into it he ain't got a sense off in the Huddersfield game no he did start Huddersfield you're right but then he had to start on the set against Wolff and then he went off into it as well but yeah I was going to say at least he knows she must on the other side it doesn't quite click there unfortunately that he can't get up and down the pitch clever football he's playing with him what he's got left in the time and I think with the goal he just literally kept on walking knowing a proton and not enough of our players do that not enough of our players just go you look at other teams and you think I mean when they're a goff I mean look go back to the streets when they scored against West Ham goff footballer from that range probably waxing with every day in training because he's only so white do you want a team that went for 15 years and he did it and listen do you want any more comments that I had in every week now I definitely don't when you come into the side and you haven't played for ages you have to do what you can do and he did and he's just a model professional brilliant ambassador for Everton Football Club being a brilliant player as well which is sometimes lost on people who don't support Everton how good he is and how good he's been over his career and it's nice that he's getting if this is his last season it's nice that he's got to add a couple of moments and he's shared those moments with someone like Duncan as well and you know what though if a new manager comes in you look at someone like that and you think there might be something I can take from that and listen I'm not sure I'm playing or playing in the sentiment field but you've got to tap into those players far too often footballers just get get carted off you've got to tap into what is there and the experience and the influence he has such an influence on some of our young players because he's cool he is cool being brilliantly as me yeah I was just saying to my mate this morning you just don't want it to end for him sometimes you look at him and think now it's coming to an end for his career and you just wish you could turn the clock back and we've got our hopes on Luka Dean not a moment last night I just love the fact that when he scored he just went he wants to get back he didn't tank it he didn't go mad he just dropped him he's got the goal if it is his last years I'd love the club to keep him on some capacity in the club I think to be honest mate he'll want to move even if it's in the start he might want to go and play in MLS he loves America doesn't he he's been great for us he's been brilliant for him it's like you've just said there if it is his last years and to have that moment like last night listening would have been incredible if he'd have won the game and been even better but to score a goal like that in injury time and give us a chance it's not the first time he's done it Chelsea and I think he's got he's just loud he's just a wonderful footballer and he's a great back up left back you know, hopefully Llucia Dîm won't be too far away with this hopefully it's not too bad in injury but Bainzy, I'm quite sure Bainzy will play again at the weekend because I don't think Dîm will be back yet but you know, like you said the big thing I'd take from it was we've not come back too often in the last 18 months so to come back in two downs we've shown fights, we've shown hearts we've shown that there is something in there if you can tap into it you know, whether some plays are good plays or not whether some plays are neither plays or not which I think we all know they do you've got the fights and you've got the heart that's the, that's the if you don't have those things you can have really good players and you'll go nowhere but if you've got those things and listen people have shown you know, as a, with Charleston's fighting for everything cos I don't, I don't with Charleston would be sitting in Marco Silver's villa by now I've got a transfer to Marco Silver's villa Mwys Keen where we told he was finished on Sunday that was it, that was the end of it and he's had longer last night and he's had for a while Dominic Harvan living, working hard you know, and then you have someone like Mason Oggy, he was brilliant second half absolutely brilliant second half he can tackle, he's got a bit of steel, he's got a bit of he had a couple of square ups last night and he's also a very good footballer and there are, there are positives on the pitch and who's to say we don't come through this sticky period and those players are, you go and go you know what, that wasn't great and we had all those players but if we had, if we had had our players we wouldn't know Mason Oggy it was a billion sentiment failure or don now has got this aggression of playing up front and that's what happens in adversity sometimes players stand up and show you what they're all about and some players just melt and go and you go, you can't rely on them and these kids can and you know what so far, whether you want whether you think Tom had a good game whether you think Tom, Mason Oggy these young players, four or five young players are going, we fancy this we fancy this so at least, you know, aren't we seeing nothing and aren't they going last night, so coming on so from that point of view I think we've got players we're willing to have whether they're good enough to be the very top maybe not, but we'll wait and see I mean Steeda want, before we finish the one thing you'd say is if we can get our better players putting the effort in that these lads have put in at that same level, with their accessibility, you can see this team flying up the league, can't you? You look at the league and it's it's still, it's weirdly chance of getting in the top seven which is mad isn't it which is crazy considering the season that we've had you look at a couple of wins get you wrapped at the table, it's crazy we've seen Newcastle in the top ten every day, I was like are they having Newcastle in the top ten they had a couple of wins on the bounce but I just think whatever happens in relation to the managerial situation I think last night proved that, I think Dunks mentioned it as well, they are probably going to go into the market in January because I think Dunks mentioned it a few times now I think you mentioned it after the United last night saying the squads need a quick mention on Duncan because we don't know he probably will still be into it on Saturday but what he's turned around in these three games what he's given us back I feel like there's a real connection with the fans and the team again and with him obviously I mean have you been surprised that it's gone or what's your feeling what's happened over the last three games I'm not surprised because of how much he cares about the club and the come across on the interview lad, you lad's done with him it is his life it's sad as well to see sometimes because you think it's like us, it's like you lad's it does turn into your life and seeing him after the game it was quite upsetting as well when you see how much it means to him I feel like I've let the fans down because I'm not going to be bringing a trophy to him but I messaged you this morning I said the thing he's brought back to me he's brought our identity back as a club these last two weeks of him being manager have been better than the last four or five years ago in the game it's been crap the last four or five years no atmosphere at the ground it's a connection thing I think I just think he's brought a bit of evidence back number one he's got brings your pride he's got the pride there because you know what it means you know what it means to you means to him, you can't say that for many people but also he brings I think he's brought in last couple of games a bit of recognition the whole Moise King thing I think was a big thing where you've got all these pundits and all these journalists and all these ex-players coming on TV telling you what he did wrong and he was very cool and calm about it and then after the game yesterday he said I went another way to them and we straightened it out and he came on and I thought that boy did really well didn't he you know and it was like it wasn't like oh these which is what I think some people think he would do is go mad and react and go who do you think you are he just went we doubt what he did and it was fine and the lad did alright you know and that's it and it's just like for me he's very calm and controlled and he's got that he feels like he's got that control other people with a lot and it's always comes down to perception a lot of the times but you feel like people look at him and go number one don't feel fix and I didn't think he'd ever be a man I think and now they look at him and go he's got something about him that fella doesn't he he's got and I think with the sub some what he's been doing and tactically what he's got writes and he's done really really well and to the point where a couple of weeks ago people were like don't go fix and never will never be an ever manager part of the problem blah blah blah and now people are looking and going he's got to be part of this and actually we hope he he gets he lanes off whether it's Carlo Ancelotti or whatever and becomes evidence next manager and what he's done is he's left a lasting impression on people's minds now that he could be an ever manager he's left that where there's other people and we were some before off here where we've had our tether and saying about like going to ask is he a good manager but we don't know we look at fix and now and you go he's a big man he's got he's got the belief he'll make decisions but maybe no one goes he makes a decision and people go fine he made a decision and when it's our time to know that I don't think Silver would have took anyone off I think he would have left in 5 minutes he's like no come off come off and when he took with Charlotte enough no hoax I think he's got conviction in his decisions and he's charismatic but he's also facing and that I think when you've got that presence about deal the fellas got it for them when you've got that presence about do anything that's what he's given me he's given I agree with just they have felt more of a connection in the last couple of weeks back to the club than they have for a while because there's been too many people coming and going whether it's players, managers, coaching staff whatever it's all being like we don't really care I think he's had some of the players I think he's had some of the players in relation to the fans perception of them players as well when I was on Old Trafford on Sunday there was a few mistakes but you know what, no one got on the players backs nothing like that maybe a couple of weeks ago you'd be like ah he's crap, get him off I think he's done wonders for Dominic Carver massively, I'll be honest with you I wasn't really a big Dominic Carver to the fan but these last three games he's done everything that I've wanted him to do these last three games he's put himself about which when he does that he's really really good last night I actually thought the second half was one of his best performances he was setting the ball I thought he was good, on the ball as well on the ball a fair play, he's done his thing because he's the kind of fella that thinks boss but now if you do anything wrong they just give you a look you don't shout at you, just give you a look and when they give you that look you know it's over why wouldn't you want to play for them? I mean quite clearly they do they've proven it so well done Duncan and hopefully if all the reporters really is going to become a co-assistant manager so that's good and hopefully well listen hopefully there's a path way now that he can develop and then when Carlo Anciolotti moves on then Duncan Ferguson will be more ready to take the role and I think the fans now going from a position where some of the fans would have been going and a lot of people going actually yet I want him to be our manager so at least we know we're going to get passion and he knows tactically he's good and being with someone like Carlo Anciolotti Joey Batten likes him, I think that's the main thing well there you go, I mean that's the barometer for everybody that's the barometer, I mean maybe they should everyone should go to Joey Batten but it's probably proved as well that none of the other managers have given a chance to be able to do anything as well hasn't it nor as much as they should have done so that's another thing worried about worried about the presence, worried about he's too popular, that's another thing I've heard he's a bit too popular so people didn't want him overshadowing them so and some are like I suppose Carlo Anciolotti will probably be like I've managed the biggest clubs in the world so I'll use them, don't be afraid to use what you've got there you go, let us know what you think in the comments section below are you gutted, obviously you're are but have you took anything away from the game or are you just inconsolable or are you kind of just like now it's another failure for Everton Football Club because it is but it's a I don't know, I just took the fact that things are slightly getting better and if that makes sense in terms of being able to fight and stay in a game and stuff like that you've got a look, 2008 you've won the league if things can change if you get things right it's a good luck to Leicester they've got a semi-final give the video a thumbs up subscribe if you haven't get over to Patreon see you later