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He's like a Pokemon He just kind of keep looking and eventually you'll catch him We're gonna talk a little bit about the future of Google Glass today, but let's start off with the headlines Amazon unleashed a wave of new products tablets and TV streaming devices today Without making us sit through three hours of announcements. Thank you, Amazon First the tablets the fire HD 8 and HD 10 are 8 and 10 inch tablets as you might expect with 8 and 16 gigabyte of storage respectively and that's right the 8 only gives you a the 10 inch tablet only gives you 16 gigabytes But they both have micro SD slots that take up to 128 gigabyte cards the HD 8 comes in multiple colored backs as well It's 150 bucks the HD 10 is 230 bucks a new feature called on-deck is interesting It downloads movies and shows automatically for you just in case you forget to download stuff before you say get On an airplane and you don't have internet anymore the new Amazon fire is another tablet. That's 50 bucks That's just basically the cheapest tablet. They've got and they're doing a six-pack you buy five you get one free There's also a $99 kids edition of that It's the Amazon fire with a kid-friendly case and a two-year no worry guarantee for exchanges Doesn't matter why it got broke you can exchange it within two years on the TV side the $40 fire TV stick can Now be gotten with voice control. You just got to pay 50 bucks for it to get that voice control remote a new fire TV Has a claimed 75% more powerful CPU and a GPU that supposedly twice as fast as the old model This isn't the stick This is the box now that I'm talking about also helps users find 4k content if it detects that it's connected to a 4k TV It's a hundred bucks a little more pricey and a bundle was introduced called the Amazon TV gaming edition Which is essentially that 4k fire TV with a game controller a 32 gigabyte micro SD card and two free games For a hundred forty bucks all of this is available for pre-order on Amazon today and shipping in October Rob any of these none of these all of these strike your fancy. Um, I'm just gonna be honest with you The the six pack of $50 tablets. I Love Amazon because they consistently cut down my Christmas shopping So for me, I've got nine nieces and nephews. I know what they're getting. Yeah, well at least six of them, right? So yeah, I I was tempted by that too same exact thing. I was like, huh, I guess I could get that and just Cover a bunch of my gift list, right? With a bunch of $50 tablets now now are the nieces and nephews young enough that you might be tempted to get the kids edition instead? Um The ones that are young enough for that actually already have those so there there are a couple litter like in that 13 to 16 year old range that They're probably safe that they don't need to have the child protective case. They're already you know But I'll look at this I think what Amazon is trying to do is they're trying to just bake in lifelong members of Amazon Prime Because once you have this it's like my daughter just went off the college She will never not use Netflix She'll always have it. So I think that they're just trying to get folks as early as they can in Amazon Prime So that they will just buy stuff from them forever Well, and that Amazon Prime feature that lets you download movies from your Amazon Prime subscription Now makes a lot of sense with this on-deck feature It's kind of like what Tivo does where it just records things It thinks you might want to watch and keeps them on the on the hard drive and then if it needs to make space It'll delete them and the same thing with on-deck if you need to make space to download something It'll get rid of the on-deck stuff, but it's just extra options for you there. I was intrigued by that. Were you yeah? It makes a lot of sense. I mean they're trying to keep you in that ecosystem And this will do it You know, I know there have been many a times when I've gotten on a plane or train where the you know My Wi-Fi was just kind of shoddy You didn't want to you know get the plane Wi-Fi, you know You didn't want to watch what they want I want to watch what I want to watch because I'm on a five-hour flight going to LA or something like that from these coasts So this just makes sense when I don't have to think about it It just kind of you know gauges it knows me knows what I do when I you know when I'm away It's a pretty cool feature. Yeah, that's the key if it's smart enough to know Tom's been watching the shield Let's download a couple of the next episodes. We know he hasn't watched yet That could that could prove amazing if you realize. Oh my gosh, they're already there. I can watch them, right? That's pretty cool US peels court for the Federal Circuit in Washington, DC has ruled an injunction requested by Apple against Samsung should Have been awarded this according to Reuters in May 2014 Apple was denied an injunction against Samsung for violating Apple patents covering iPhone slide to unlock Auto-correct and data detection features. This is the one where the jury awarded Apple 120 million dollars The appeals court said that Samsung can remove patented features without recalling products And therefore there's no reason not to award the adjunction case has been sent back to a lower federal court in San Jose, California to reconsider that injunction Business insiders Jillian Dino fro did some legwork on linkedin and found a google division called project aura AURA Has been hiring people away from amazon lab 126 lab 126 is where the fire tablets come out of where amazon echoes come out of The employees in question describe project aura As google glass and beyond and a source told dino fro that Project aura remains a part of google and is headed up by fashion industry vet ivy ross Who's been in charge of google glass for a while Although nest ceo tony fidel still has high level oversight google glass is currently sold as an enterprise product of business And rob and i are going to talk a little bit about what we think and any of this means And some of the silliness of google project names among other things They haven't discovered the other 25 letters of the alphabet, I guess. Yeah, well, they just got them, right? You know it takes some time Uh ninja steve sent us the news that apple will ask the u.s supreme court to overturn a finding that it considered to fix That it is considered to have fixed prices of its ebooks back in 2010 fortune reports that the company filed a motion for a 30 day extension of the deadline to file a formal petition And in that extension apple writes this case presents issues of surpassing importance to the united states economy It does the price of books a lot of people buy books In june of this year the u.s court of appeals for the second court upheld The u.s district judge denise coat of manhattan's july 2013 finding that apple had orchestrated a horizontal price fixing conspiracy Among the five major publishers who signed up with them apple has agreed to pay 405 million dollars to settle if It loses the supreme court case or if the supreme court denies review Uh apple can file this appeal obviously the supreme court can say we're not going to hear it And then the lower court decision stands This is the one that's all about who gets to set the price of the ebooks rob Should it be the publishers like they have with bookstores from time memorial Where they just print it right on the book or should it be the seller like amazon wants where they can give deep Discounts obviously we as consumers like it when we get deep discounts, but authors want to make money, right? Yeah, you know, it's on two sides of this as a consumer I want it to be as inexpensive as possible As a content creator. I want to charge you fairly for what I've created So I see both sides of this And although this is probably not going to benefit the consumers as much You know, I think that if you write a book you should be able to charge what you want to charge for that book And if you're an independent you can do that like when I write my books and I put my little novellas out there I I pick what I what I'm gonna charge, right amazon doesn't tell me what what i'm gonna charge And that's what the publishers want, but that is less responsive To the demands of the marketplace when you've got five major publishers sort of working in concert And that's what the court found It was that everybody was kind of working together Which decreased the motivation to adjust prices to the demands of the market exactly Yeah iRobots got a new rumba the 980 that supposedly better handles clutter and furniture And keeps working until it hasn't missed a spot the 980 uses a low res camera Very low res so don't worry about this thing spying on you yet Low res camera and something called visual simultaneous localization and mapping aka v slam A lot of military robots use v slam. This helps it keep track of where it's been It works for up to two hours And if it hasn't mapped the whole house at that point if it still got spots that it knows like they exist But haven't got over there to vacuum it yet it heads back to its wall wart recharges for about 90 minutes And then goes back to work until it's done 980 is available today for 899 dollars I'm all in until that price man. Yeah, the the price uh is it's it's steep It's like that. That's that's a lot of really really really good vacuum cleaners I mean you could you could get some I mean some really top shelf stuff Two or three of them for for that price and you know, I mean this is such a You know, you know such a first world problem is like do I want a robot to vacuum my floor for me? So the robot vacuuming my floor isn't good enough Yes And as we had the first generation Roomba My wife and I we got it as a wedding present and it was not good It just couldn't get all the pet hair at the time and it really the algorithm needed work It's improved a lot since then. I never thought that it would work for actual vacuuming But I think a little over a year ago. We went to all wood floors, uh, you know on my first floor in the house So we just have to constantly dust Um, and I was thinking maybe this would be good for that just going back and just getting the dust up off the floor But once again, I'm getting hit by that. I'm not paying 900. I got kids I'm not paying a kind of button for a vacuum cleaner just for dust when you're gonna still have to go vacuum again You still would have to do it again. So yeah, so I don't I don't know about that But you watch this video and I got excited because it does all the things that I complained about the first Roomba Not doing which is it goes up to chairs and gets the edges Uh, it goes up on rugs now the rugs look fairly shallow But still it can go from hardwood to rug and then back off again And it does what it promised to do with that original algorithm by actually tracking and mapping your house So I'm really tempted if if this price starts to come down 299 I probably consider it we get it if we get into just high end vacuum cleaner range Then it's at least a conversation. Yeah. Yeah If it's not and and something where I don't have to feel like I have to go vacuum again, right? Uh wired uk reports that security firm avg has changed its privacy policy to allow it to sell non-personal search And browser history to advertisers in order to make money from its free antivirus software now avg says it had that ability Already in its previous privacy policy, but the transparent wording wasn't there So they really just made it clearer It's what they say users can turn off the data collection with no loss of functionality But it's an opt-out situation and that annoys a lot of people new policy comes into effect October 15th a lot of folks are up in arms. They're saying any of avg is going to sell our data That's awful. They shouldn't do that. It's an antivirus company and and to be clear avg says we haven't sold anyone's data We don't have any immediate plans to do so We let you opt out and we're very clear that we try to anonymize it as much as possible But even that isn't enough for some people Um turn it off Yeah, you you have the option to turn it off. Um We're using if you were paying for avg if you were actually if you were paying for their paid version And this is on then maybe I have a problem with it But you're using their really really good free software and they've got to monetize it some way I mean if they've they've got to make a buck if they're not making money Then they're not going to be able to pull it out really really good antivirus software So I just say if you if you don't like this you absolutely have the opportunity to turn it off I get the people who've used avg for years Have championed it as you know as somebody protecting your security Getting upset just at the principle that the security company is collecting information even if it is supposedly non-personal I get that but I agree with you if you want to use avg to either stop using it or turn it off The verge reports that apples switch from android to ios which also shows up as move to ios It's an app has arrived to help android users migrate data to ios devices The app creates a private wi-fi network transfer for your contacts your calendars your email accounts your message history and your camera Roll nice elegant way to do it the app has also been greeted with a number of one star reviews from presumably android fans um You kind of have to expect that um yeah No one is going to change if you know i'm an android guy um, but I try to be You know fair in my assessment of other things Um, and I haven't tried this yet. So so I can't say but when I saw it's it's hard to get a one star review on anything So I was just thinking I wonder if you have a whole bunch of android fanboys that are going out there And they're just giving it the worst review possible It does seem like that I can't imagine this many people have suddenly switched From android to ios today because even if it was one star That's all that's a good news for apple that people were actually switching right Uh lift and didi kwadi a china's largest ride hailing service are teaming up both companies are going to link their apps So you can use either service no matter which app you have installed In addition didi will invest 100 million dollars in lift didi is available in more than 360 chinese cities and lift Operates in about 65 us cities So if I travel if I have a lift app that I use here in la and I travel to beijing I can just use my lift app and hail a didi kwadi ride That's that's actually pretty cool. Yeah great way for both companies to expose themselves to new markets, too absolutely And as uber has shown the other way of doing it by trying to just roll out your service And then ask for forgiveness when you get arrested in paris Has its pitfalls You know, I have not you know, I'm in the midwest So I've only had the opportunity to use, uh, you know these ride sharing, uh, or not ride sharing with these You know these uber lift type, uh I've only used it twice and it was great. It was cheaper than if I would have just got a cab Um, and I didn't have to wait because I was kind of out in the middle of nowhere Um, and I didn't have to wait. I mean it was just someone who was near was able to get to me in probably You know 10 minutes So, uh, I can't talk a lot on them, but it does seem pretty cool I know that a lot of cab drivers though. They are getting really really upset. There's there's a there's a lot of people who just You know, they're saying this is wrecking their livelihood their businesses I know that in new york folks who have had medallions and their family for years Yeah, uh, you know are really adversely affected by this So I just personally haven't had the opportunity to use it But you know the couple times that I have it was really cool And what lift is doing and what didi kuati do is go in and say let's let's go in gently get regulatory approval You know do it by the book and I think uber has caused those bad feelings Among the medallion owners to be even worse by just kind of flouting those rules and and being a little arrogant F secure released a report today taking an in-depth look at malware organization referred to as the dukes That's what f secure calls them. It's not what they call themselves This malware organization has been in operation since 2008 It's a methodical developer of zero day attacks, which f secure describes as quote well resourced highly dedicated And organized as a cyber espionage group The group targets governments as well as russian criminal groups in particular f secure believes the main Benefactor of the group's work is a government Targets have often aligned with the russian government interest But there is no solid connection between the dukes and any particular government or governmental institution A fascinating read over there at ours technica if you haven't taken a look at it yet Um, you know what if you know for every company has to be concerned about this But I mean, you know the hackers are always a step ahead And it's just amazing what they are able to get their hands on, you know, how easily they're able to get inside of Networks and we we used to think of oh, they're going to get my credit card number They're going to get you know something from an individual which they definitely do But they're going after companies and they're going after countries now I mean it's what countries are going after each other And the thing about the dukes is you don't know if this is like A government funding an organization A government contracting an existing malware group or just a bunch of people who like I know what our government wants us to do. They don't need to tell us. We're just going to be patriots and go do it I mean, who knows right Biztech africa posted about a pwc report called entertainment and media outlook 2015 through 2019 south africa, nigeria and kenya And among their forecasts, uh, they say south africa's entertainment and media industry is going to grow 9.4 annually between now and 2019 Fueled by digital spending and most of that spending will come on the internet followed by video games Nigeria's entertainment market is supposed to grow from 4 billion dollars in 2014 to 8.1 billion dollars in 2019 Internet's going to be the main driver there followed by television Video games, however, we'll see the sharpest growth in nigeria And kenya's market will go from 1.8 billion in 2014 to an estimated 3.3 billion in 2019 led by internet and tv so Everybody who's been looking at asia as the boom market is starting to look at africa now as we see these growth projections So I actually have an aunt who's uh, she's been living in south africa kenya And uh, nigeria those those three she's been living in all she's lived in all three. She's lived in all three Oh, wow. This report is about her She she's been in africa probably for 35 years now Um, and when she comes back to the states, we always talk about this She says that how how quickly Things are changing just because it's so much easier to throw up a cell phone tower than it is to wire A country that has millions and millions of people in it and it's fairly rural outside of the big cities So this absolutely makes sense. In fact, um, you know, I I'd lean towards they might actually be low balling the numbers Um Mobile is just blowing up on the, uh, you know the entire continent Clearly in the southern portions of you know of the country. It is just blowing up there So they they may actually have these numbers low balled a little bit because this everyone is getting a cell phone And everyone is watching media via their cell phone via tablets. Um, so on and so forth So this is uh, you know, there's definitely Opportunities to be had on the continent of africa Yeah, they've leapfrogged right into mobile like you said because it's it's easier and cheaper to put up a cell tower And it's easier and cheaper to buy a phone than a big old desktop computer for sure. Exactly Uh, finally verizon announced thursday It will offer roaming to customers visiting cuba the plan will charge three dollars a minute for voice and two dollars and five cents per Megabyte for data. So you're not going to be using a lot of data Um, who's going to use this at all? I mean somebody the embassy, I guess US embassies now open, uh, verizon wants to provide service for embassy personnel It's that's steep right there. That's a lot of buddy Yeah, i'm not uh, I don't know. Well, and and the thing is this is verizon wanting to say Hey, you know, we are the we cover the most in the world We're the world leader in world service for rich people apparently And and so we've added cuba. We're the first american company to add cuba in our roaming service They're just they're just they just want to yell first. It's the carrier coverage equivalent of posting first in a forum thread Okay. Yeah, um Yeah, it's like you might do better just uh, just a toast and telephone line On your boat as you go to cuba This data is really expensive. Can you imagine somebody just runs fiber all the way from the keys? Right 90 miles or so 95 miles or so Uh, thanks to everybody who submits stories on our subreddit Several of these stories came right out of daily tech news show dot reddit.com get in there and vote people It helps us put the stories together Helps us make sure that we reflect different viewpoints. So go to daily tech news show dot reddit.com and that's a look at the headlines All right, rob. Let's talk about uh, this project aura Now don't confuse it with project aura a r a project aura from google Is the modular phone developed by the advanced technologies and projects group? Which is an android division that is different than google x and project aura a u r a Came out of google x but is now part of the advanced technologies and projects group But is not project aura about modular phones project aura involves google glass and more not confusing at all Is it no not at all Um, and I mean they're getting every variation of the letter a words, uh They're the alphabet they're starting with a apparently yeah here. It's like I mean android aura aura All right, but let's let's talk about this one of the things that I get There's a pet peeve of mine is when people say oh the troubled google glass and google glass which died earlier this year google glass was an experimental program first of all and what they found is they could sell it to businesses And they've continued to sell it to businesses and so it has been an enterprise level project They handed it over to tony fidel Who is the CEO of nest which google owns? And then they left ivy ross in charge of the team under fidel what it seems like has happened now is with the divestment of different companies within google Under the new alphabet structure nest is probably going to become its own company It's pretty much a lock fidel is going to run that company And so I think what they're saying is we want to keep glass Inside the android development team And the question is why ivy ross is a fashion vet So this is obviously about wearables in general But the other cool teams that are part of the android research arm are doing things like All right, where's my note on this? it's the The project that actually lets you do gesture control. It's called solely And vr cardboard is part of this of this advanced and the advanced technologies and projects group in android So that implies that maybe there might be some tie between google glass derivatives wearables vr Which gesture control could be for both it could be for watches. It could be for vr. What do you make of this? I think it's an absolute lock that it's going to be. I mean I was watching that video and The the fine control that this is able to pick up I mean, you know actually squeezing your finger being able to pick up the pressure that you're squeezing your finger at And moving it around. I mean that is some really really cool tech right there So as you know vr, you know, we've been talking about vr since I was a little kid But eventually it will be here. It'll be how we interface with things And this is just probably in my opinion a precursor of what you're going to see I don't know if it's five years from now 10 years from now But vr is going to be here the the things you saw in the minority report That is going to be a reality in our lifetime. Um, you know, probably relatively soon within our lifetimes So, uh, this this is really cool to me. Um, I did not have a google glass But not because I didn't want one it was just difficult to get So so for me, this is something that is is really cool And when you start to look at what they're able to do with, you know, you know Using cameras to figure out what you're doing with your fingers. Um, as far as like so what really got me was that They could tell the pressure that you're applying between your thumb and your forefinger That is some impressive tech to me. It's going you're going to be able to do some really really cool things It feels like you're talking about projects solely and it feels like that is the glue That binds together this continuum Where I can see a lot of what they learned from google glass Goes into wearables and then you combine that with gesture control like solely and you can do all kinds of cool things on wearables Whether they're on your wrist or whether they're elsewhere And then that's where you have a fashion industry vet in there helping you figure out the different parts of the body You can adorn besides the eyes and the wrist Project solely also obviously great for vr if I've got a vr helmet on and I can do gesture control That's going to help a lot vr Obviously can borrow some learning from google glass because of the way it interacted with our vision And and and our interactions there. So I mean vr is sort of a wearable Version of the desktop right you wear it But you pretty much wear it in one place and then you've got wearables that you can take out in the world It almost needs a new category name and I wonder if google has a category name for it That's this this line of stuff Yeah, it could probably be project or aura with an o I don't know. Um, but yeah, I'm fascinated with what they're doing now. I don't know how much we can tell From the hireings. Here's who they've hired from amazon lab 126 and again jillian denofro from business insider did all the legwork here looking at linkedin and finding out what people were saying Dimas vet love who worked on fire tv is now the software development manager for project aura as of may All mere frankie is the director of software development for project aura as of june Tina chen who worked on the amazon echo and the fire tv is the manager of technical program management For project aura. They've also hired max ratner who worked on the iphone at apple They have a recruiter named jessica bailo who started working particularly on project aura in june and has posted openings now For a program manager for category development industrial designer and a universally or a ux designer an interface designer And then adrian wong who was the lead electrical engineer on google glass and left to go work on oculus is now back at google in june adrian's the only one who doesn't reference project aura directly in the linkedin profile but says Building blocks for alphabet slash google g is for gadgets glasses and goggles So kind of implies right working on that The thread that struck me as i was reading this list Is a lot of these people were involved with things like echo fire tv and iphone that have voice control Um It's it's the next wave and you know i'm reading through the story and i'm looking at it's like this is really interesting These are not just You know somebody who happened to work at amazon or somebody who happened to work at apple I mean these folks were leading design Um, i mean they're definitely uh some heavyweights So it just goes to show you that google is not messing around When it comes to their projects they really never have and you can say a lot of things about google But they have always been about let's go do really cool stuff and just figure it out They they actually they don't necessarily have a business model or a business plan in mind They just want to figure out how cool can we make stuff Yeah, and we'll figure out what we do with it after we figure out how cool it is. So Um, this is probably going to be you know a big deal for google going forward I have to say all jokes about the name aside and they probably won't do this But aura a u r a as the name of a device That's a wearable that I can control with vision and maybe do some voice activation Uh kind of a cool name. That's that's that would definitely divorce it from the bad taste That people have from the name google glass Right And it's it's funny how perception works google glass set, you know, it was really cool tech in there But he just had such a bad connotation folks using them in bars, you know talking to you while they're recording you that kind of stuff It's going to come back. It'll be a little nicer looking. It'll have a completely different name Um, and it will say this is what you use this for and people will absolutely Go wild over it because like oh wow, that's that's really really cool as though they didn't hear about it a year and a half Yeah, and google glass will become the name for that frumpy thing you buy for your company Because they're still selling those to businesses like hotcakes. I don't know if they sell them like hotcakes For what they do they actually do it pretty well. I mean, it's you know, you know, you can we can clown that You know that the people walking down the street that are wearing him And it's like I look look at that, you know person right there. It's like it's kind of like Wearing a bluetooth earpiece all the time we go to surprise you using it or not Yeah, um, but the technology like you know the technology in bluetooth earpieces is still pretty solid the technology in google glass Is absolutely pretty solid and they're still working on it. They didn't kill it They you know, that's the first thing from the truth. They actually are continuing to develop it and make it better Yeah, and when you're on a factory floor or construction site with people wearing hard hats and safety glasses anyway Google glass doesn't even stick out. It just makes sense. Yeah, it just makes sense Our pick of the day comes from ryan his pick is the invidia shield tv Says it works great with kodi used to be called xbmc for 200 dollars It's a great choice for the home theater pc user who just wants a quick way to set things up without spending hours Configuring everything plus it's a great bonus if you play games on a casual basis You can even boot straight into kodi without ever having to use android's tv interface by using the xbmc launcher We'll have a link to that in the show notes as well. I haven't tried the shield tv yet, but a lot of people who use it sing its praises Um, I haven't tried it either But it sounds cool. Yeah, I mean it sounds like hey that mean that that might be something to check out There's there's so many of these things out there. So, you know, you know, you start to lose Uh, you know, is it this device? Is it that device? But they're all cool and you know, eventually it'll come out It'll it'll have pluses it'll have its minuses and then the next company will still Or you know, they will liberate features and add to theirs. So i'm just a fan of technology whenever you can take Um, you know something, you know a little box. Let me hook it up to my television And just let me watch it in different ways that I hadn't thought of before that is a cool thing Send your picks to us feedback at daily tech news show dot com and you can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks got several messages I want to start uh with one from marlin uh yesterday in our discussion of ahmad mohammad The 14 year old who took his digital clock to school and then caused a big controversy and ended up being hauled off in handcuffs When we were talking about that yesterday, I made the offhand remark that yeah teens can be obnoxious and marlin Wrote in with some great points. He says Marlin marlin writes he was a teenager who was dealing with just starting in a new school It was widely reported that he started a few weeks prior Who was in the middle school's robotics team? And he was also exhibiting normal adolescent development tendencies early adolescence is characterized by a change in the brain's dopaminergic system which contributes To adolescent sensation seeking and reward motivation Coupled with the cognitive changes where you also see improvement in metacognition So we have a typical case of a new student Meeting an engineering teacher who may have shown an interest in hearing that he was in a robotics team And the student's normal response is to build something to impress that teacher and feel accepted Marlin says when I was at unicef we were trying very hard to change policies that viewed adolescents as problems that needed to be fixed Rather than as assets who we needed to provide opportunities for Aukman was treated as a problem that needed to be fixed. He did nothing wrong. The system overreacted and failed him Um, I think this nails it. Yeah, well done marlin and thank you for You know seeing a point that I missed. What what did you think about all that? Um, it really really bothered me. Um, I'm like this kid Built a really cool clock Took at the school showed it to his teacher that as you said showed interest in The fact that he was on a robotics team and now he is in handcuffs in a police station Fingerprinted You know because he built the clock Um, I understand that you know the world that we live in But um, you you have to be careful with your over reactions. Um, you know in what you're doing Um, you know, you know, I'm not going to you know hide behind this his name in my opinion probably has a lot To do with this. Um, if his name was different, um, and you know There may have been a completely different outcome. We probably would not be talking about it right now So yeah, this story really, uh, you know, it may just personally offended me. It's like wow this kid Uh, you know built a clock and now he's fingerprinted and he is in the system forever He uh in his press conference said that he's probably going to transfer because he's still suspended for three days He's probably going to transfer to a different school, which I can't blame him at all And he says I want my clock back the police still have it. There's the case is closed. Give me my clock back Um, and it's like they're actually deciding whether or not they're going to follow charges And I'm like file charges for what wanting to know what time it is. I mean What is there to file charges about and why is he suspended? I I just I I do not understand that it does not make sense to me Christian writes another interesting repercussion of the rise of artificial intelligence Could be a decreased reliance on apps. This is regard especially to a voice assistance Uh christian says I can already get things like weather movie times news and stock quotes through several different digital Assistance, which means I'm not opening as many apps on a regular basis as I used to And once digital assistance reach the next level of interactivity, there's no reason to assume We won't use them to make restaurant reservations by movie tickets book travel, etc It's just a matter of how long right rob. Like when are we going to just be talking to stuff? um I still Don't like talking to my phone If I'm in the car by myself I'll do it But um, you know, you've been able to you know use You know google in the search and talk to it. I used it to test it You know when it first came out I have never gone back and it just does not feel natural to me to actually talk to my computer Or to talk to my phone Um, I will like I said, I will use it for dictation You know when I'm in the car, but that is really about the extent of it So I don't know if I'm just the wrong demographic for this I've been doing it You know, I was I was one of the first folks with a cell phone I mean, I think I got my first cell phone like in 1989. Um, you know, um in my senior year of high school I had you know, I had actually had a back phone In my car So I've been using a phone the same way for decades and I'm just going to start talking to my phone asking questions I'm not, you know, I'm not dancing on the technology. It is really good. I just really think that for me personally I'm just probably the wrong demographic for it And it'll just have to become a very very common place to where the interface mechanism You just talk to your phone. You ask her the question and it's just very very seamless I think it's going to take, you know that level for me to get to where I'm commonly talking to my devices I think we're the old men where the our grandchildren are going to be like, come on grandpa Just talk to it. Okay. Stop trying to use an interface. They're like, no, I don't want to talk to my computer Uh, we're talking about facebook being able to put some kind of dislike button in there We've had several people throwing out ideas. Andy from michigan says what about letting the person who makes the post Choose what they want to show up So you could have like Be the thing for spending the day with the kids at the beach You could actually allow dislike if your post says broke my arm and having a bad day Or you could do both if your post says, what did you think of the 80s? People are smart enough to figure out what they want to get as reactions Especially if you let them change it if they make a mistake and accidentally choose the wrong one So on the surface that sounds kind of cool, but we as people are so lazy Um, unless it was a poll Where I where I wanted to create a poll anyway because I needed the feedback Most people probably are just not going to go through the work of I wrote my post now. I'm going to Select some toggle boxes to allow you to determine how you feel about what I wrote That's just probably not going to be commonplace for most folks. But once again, that could also be a demographic thing It's an elit. No, I think you're right. Uh, what'll happen is people will forget To select the extra things and and one that wouldn't solve the problem The problem is I as a respondent want to express a different emotion than like Uh, and if you didn't anticipate that with your selection, then I'm still going to be frustrated But I get what Andy is saying. It's it could be an elegant way Of doing it. Uh, but I I think rob's right We're just we're just going to forget. It's not even about laziness. It's just people like Oh, I just want to post this real quick and and not wanting to go through the check boxes I mean, if you if you're one of those folks who just talks to your phone all the time Yeah, how do you talk to the myriad of options that you'd have to select a personal assistant? Well, then tell you, you know, would you like to make this a dislike post? Oh, yes, sir You go ahead and do that Regarding iOS app removal, uh, we talked about tim cook Dangling out the possibility that you could remove the default apps from iOS Adam from sunny hoboken thinks that that ability could be squarely targeted at the enterprise We've talked about the difficulties ipad has in the enterprise because it doesn't have multiple accounts for one thing Uh, we we have adam saying if I could strip an iphone down to a few critical apps That makes it far more secure and easy to manage um, I think um That he's absolutely right and I think that this is probably what apple was thinking. Um, you know with with doing this Uh, you you almost have to um, there are organizations You know that they simply want to allow you to have an ipad because they can't control enough of the ipad to allow the ipad To you know to meet their standards. Yeah, um, so this is just you know in my opinion apple Removing a bar to entry to getting into the enterprise. 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We have usb chargers And you never know what you might find there. Go check it out Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com. You can give us call 51259 daily That's 5932459 listen to the show live monday through friday 430 p.m. Eastern on alphakeek radio dot com and visit our website daily tech news show dot com back tomorrow talking vr with erin karson and len peralta illustrating the show talk to you then The show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frogpants.com Fantastic show rob. Thank you so much. Hey, I appreciate you have me on It's it was an absolute blast knowing this. I'm uh, I don't normally do video. So You know, I had to you know, you had to shave and Well, that's like veronica And and and all the female co-hosts ever have always complained about having to do video because you have to Do your face. So I don't do no face. No face for me. Yeah me either I'm sorry Yeah, I'm usually recording Down in my basement. It's you know, the unfinished portion of it where I still have the insulation hanging down, uh, you know off the wall So it's a really really nice sound area. So Um, I was like, am I gonna record down there and it's like wait a minute. I'm on video Today I might actually want to come up where there's some light and you can see my face and does it look like I'm in a bomb shelter Most people just listen to the audio, but yeah, and I'm really enjoying the fact that you're in the loading program for the matrix right now Oh, I really picked later right now. No, look at his background. Oh because of the light background In the loading program. She thinks you're learning kung fu right now. Yeah, I know Yeah, I need that red chair that uh, morpheus is down here. Yeah, right, right. It's so awesome It just like got that whale for some now. It's like cool Uh, well rob, we don't want to take too much of your time if you want to stick around and hang out while we do the post Show that's great. Uh, if not Don't feel bad off whenever you need to Um, well, I'm gonna, um, you know allow my child to come into house now She's home from school and she's been hanging out across the street because uh, you know, I'm not in my normal spot I'm in I'm in my kitchen doing a shoot. Okay. Yeah, it's been an absolute blast doing the show time You know, um, jenny if you guys ever need, uh, you know, someone to uh, you know come in You know, just let me know. Um, we have got to get, uh, you know, rock Simmons Yeah, I almost had him a little while back I almost had him and then there was like some scheduling problems. I'll get back on that He he's like in his travel mode and uh, you know, we'll probably need to do is like wait until he actually Decides I'm not traveling for a month because he's like he's on the road Probably three days out every week. So all right. Um, well you work on them from your end I'll work on them from my end. I really appreciate you guys having us on Yeah, no, thank you guys for coming on. Uh, it was you and chris both have been fantastic man. Knock me out You guys are great So once again, anytime, you know, you need a you know, you know, a special guest or something like that Feel free to ask. Uh, you know, I'm more than happy to jump on and I hope that uh, you know Sometime we're at the same event, you know, you know, sit down and have a drink or something like that. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks, man Okay, folks, you guys take care take care That was a great show. Yeah, he was awesome Uh, I'm thinking to google glass and beyond yes, of course because why not perfect Any kind of doubt request and beyond also google glass and beyond is a quote, right? So it's built in yep It's pertinent to the main topic Uh, I'm so hungry. Okay. It says my delivery from postmates is coming in seven minutes I tried to do I tried to do uber eats and it was like too late and they could we did okay good and bad story about uber eats We did uber eats this weekend Uh, because they had like a breakfast tacos and a croissant breakfast sandwich Uh, we're like those look really good and they'll probably hold up pretty well in those little heating packs So we order it comes really quick three minutes It comes the guy was right around the corner. I get downstairs. He's got an orange juice He's like is this what you ordered? I'm like that's one of the things I ordered He's like, oh, uh, he's like I thought it was weird because this was the only thing that came across So I sit there and I'm like, oh, okay I'm like, well, I didn't get and I look I'm like, well, I didn't get charged for it Let me see if I can like put in the order again since you're right here You know, he's like, yeah, yeah just and then I kept getting an error in the app And he's like, okay, hold on So he calls somebody and I hear him say like, yeah, I've got what he wants right here And then he and then he gets off the phone And I'm like, yeah, the app I tried a few times the app still give me an error. He's Like here no charge. It's not a fault You know, and I was like, you're not gonna have to eat the charge for this He's like, don't worry about it. We'll take care of it on our end. It's all fine And I was like, oh man, that's awesome. So bad experience that the ordering just wouldn't work But they totally did the right thing and it's like, look, you know, you should not get what you wanted because I can see in my little truck moving closer and closer I got a sandwich by the way from all about the bread So many jokes, that's all I can say Uh, is it are they um, what kind of sandwich? Uh, I think I got the godfather Oh, does that have a lot of italian meats on it? I assume Yes It's a rip off of a it's a rip off of a very famous sandwich called the godmother in sanamanica But they don't deliver, uh, whatchamacallit's just, you know the place What I'm talking about. I can't remember the name of because I'm so hungry Uh I might know the place. You know the place. It's on Lincoln. It has the best sandwiches. It's a deli italian deli If you haven't been there, I'm not a sandwich. I'm not a sandwich person. Yeah, but these are these sandwiches are special I forgot to infinity and beyond is pixar toy story not galaxy quest. I Oh, you know what? I didn't even catch that either. I was and I was thinking Toy story. I was picturing uh him, but I didn't catch that you said galaxy quest No, I uh you got well actually Boom Are you gonna get any toy story toys for uh, ellie? I don't know yet. I could go down the sarah route and kind of not do any licensed Toys. Oh really Jennifer is a big disney fan. So probably unlikely. So no, probably likely We got we got the uh, what's the little? Star Wars droid the uh I should know it and I don't know the name Yes, oh you got the the remote controlling. Yeah, nice my uh, jen likes it more than she does Right because she probably can't really control it yet. So it's not as fascinating And it's just two balls to her. Yeah, exactly She probably likes knocking the head off would be my guess Yeah, she'll be in her destructive face and she's in the dropping everything now. Oh, let's see if you pick up Will you pick this up? I'm gonna teach you how to cook so many fascinating She agrees This is the song I sing. Well, I'm putting tech news together Well, what is the original song that he is parodying Uh It's like a cha-cha or something Oh, yeah No, no, no, I don't I don't think so I don't think I've ever seen course again, right It's one of the most Disney funded startup helps podcasters grow social media audience I hope you're having an awesome day. Don't make fun of people sending pitch emails someday. We may have to do it I'm going to make fun of people sending pitch emails You're such a suit maybe a straw hat and give a folksy There's a person quoted in the first paragraph that once told me that my podcast just wasn't popular enough Oh, really? So I don't know if I really believe that they'll help me get more traction That's interesting At least it you know what I'll give this person Huge points. It was a personally written email. There was a lot of boilerplate in it But it definitely had elements of I thought about writing this the ones I hated the ones where they like dear veronica And I'm like you didn't even try I you just had a robot send that I that makes a lot of sense to me Wait two minutes two minutes Well, once you get a bot down that I can actually sort of Write a somewhat humanistic sounding email. It's over Yeah Gentlemen, I'll be right back. I'm going to go stand out in front of my house and just hand off from the postmates So you're going to stand in the place where you live. Yep. She's going to stand and deliver That's right. All of those things. I'll be right back. Okay I bet I bet now she faces west And the weirdest thing about that video stand where you are Or Oh, yeah It's probably that was probably the last hair album for him, huh? His hair was long. It was like like corn payload stand and deliver Was that their big breakout song? like Not like I don't know At the turn of the century, but they did to google glass I think that should be an m-dash not a Two-dot ellipsey I'm gonna fix that I'm gonna fix that right now Right. No, it's gonna be wrong in the id three days, but that's just the way life works Sorry ellie. I know you're our standards compliance officer The galaxy, I'm sure there's an alien race where this is language. Sure excess Hooray sandwiches are here. I'm out of the post and I'm killing the video Show us your sandwich I'm not ready to I know I need both hands to unwrap it. All right. See you everybody