Tina Coffman and we got involve in the Big Dog because we had seen a video of Phill explaining how he does deals with people who are underwater and we thought that was really fascinating so that's why we , clicked on his link and here we are. And we also needed to learn the marketing aspect of Real Estate to get more deals. We've done some deals before but basically we have our Realtor to find them. We're basically flipping right now and we wanna do assignments and subject to so. Basically to learn new strategies on how to market so we can find our own leads instead of counting on that Realtor to find our leads for us. It's definitely worth taking Phill's program because he teaches you a lot of strategies on finding properties on your own and not really counting on somebody else to find them for you.